>>79950799>>79950356While from two different POVs, these two opinions pretty much sum up the disdain for male interaction. It was something that was known before chuubas, in "classic" Japanese idol culture. And it has now reached into current idol culture. There's a strong aversion to interaction with males. Just as an example Kiara actually had to ask if it was okay for her to interact with a male during her early days in Hololive.
>>79935653>perhaps the most important thing is to stick with it. The people who get punished hardest for male collabs, are female chuubas who are reaching out to males for the first timeIts just the way things are. The only way to make it known is form the start or early on. Bae admitted to being a stars fan early on, and JP holomems like Fubuki have been open to interacting with the Stars, seeing them as members of the company, Conversely, "pure" Idols like Kanata, Irys, Kiara and Fuwamoco want to maintain a seiso image and thus minimize their interaction with males for the sake of the audience they cultivated. Its not too hard to figure out.
Ultimately, it should be down to choice. Kanata publicly stated she would prefer not to collab with a male, and thats how it should be. The term "beggar" is used because that what it boils down to "begging" for collabs with males. But not actually caring if they collab with the males. And when it happens, the "collaber" loses one avenue for growth. Now mind you, this doesn't have to apply to everybody. But there are some idols who believe in idol culture.
>>79939083>"how the FUCK does Gura still pull 30k viewers"While I get your point, I would point out that Gura is an outlier. If Gura had debuted at any point after 2022 or before 2020 it would be valid. But Gura's debut was a lightning in a bottle. She debuted during COVID days, and at the time when many people considered it her "peak". It was also the first EN gen for Holo. The subs she gained within a month was meteoric and not something that can be replicated. In addition, the fans she got during this period were the most hardcore, a reason why chumbuds have developed the notoriety they do. Gura is complex enough that she exists as a subject unto herself. That there is an entirely line of Gura-killers and Gura-likes that want to replicate or model after her success speak for itself.
But yes, I will admit that Gura's nature as a 'pure idol contributes to her success. But its also complex because she could have taken some others trajectoiesy and it would have still worked. COVID days were very magical, like a literal dragonbreak.
>>79938764Its too early to tell. ERB only just debuted. She's not been monetized yet, nor has she started collabing with anyone. And while ERB is pulling a lot of weight due to her PL, she is going against a strongly instituted idol culture, now firmly in place after a certain Omega is gone.
The next few months are going to be interesting.
