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How I see it:>2018: First wave of hololive vtubers come out (Fubuki is giga popular) >2019: Rushia, Marine, Pekora, and Korone show up and all get giga popular(This is probably peak JP and when most people found out about vtubers) >2020: Floodgates basically open with hololive EN gen 1, Gura and Ina are gigantic internet phenomenons(also nepolabo and holoID gen 1 and 2 but they're just ok) >2021: Kiryu coco graduates, final JP wave comes out(as of now). Nijisanji EN all form in around 2 months, later in the year hololive EN gen 2 debut and are huge deals, also at the end of the year many indies like Amalee, Limealicious debut. >2022: Probably peak Vtube(especially EN Vtube) with hololive, nijiEN, and many indie vtubers running at full steam, in addition to holocure and holoID gen 3 coming out. Also, many many indie debuts. >2023: Nina kosaka graduates, Pikamee redebuts, Hololive EN wave 3 comes out(they're cool). >2024: Pomu leaves then Selen fucking crashes NijisanjiEN and kills it, makes the "rainbow retirees" team of Matara Kan, Maid Mint, and Dokibird. Nijisanji EN is basically dead, wave 4 hololiveEN are here and they're cool, rainbow retirees are here, and even vshojo is just sorta chilling, but some of the oldest vtubers are straight up retiring or have dramatically winded down their activity.
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>best era
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It looks like we're headed for an indie era. But judging by how badly Dooby is doing I think it will kind of suck.
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Lazusydia. That was when Niji was great and Holo was good
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>>90548512 >>90548664 I'm the OP and I basically think it was either lazusydia with all of NijiEN+ Gen1-2 EN, or the modern day lazusydia with the rainbow retirees(Selen/Pomu/Nina), 4 hololive EN, and countless quality indies(also I like tenma)
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>>90548045 S tier: asacoco, fubuki MADs
A tier: pekomiko, om3tcw, korone animations, lazusydia
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>>90550110 Lazusydia was great I agree, but remember it only lasted like 2 months.
>the rainbow retirees(Selen/Pomu/Nina) In my opinion the only bright spot here is Mint's solo-content which has dramatically improved since the Pomu days. But without a collab group you cannot compare it to the Lazusydia era.
>holoEN As for the graduated Holos, clearly there is more to come but based on what we've seen from Dooby I think the corporation played an important role in curbing their excesses, it could result in a worse outcome overall. That remains to be seen.
>countless quality indies Might as well shill the one I like
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>>90548045 Vox and mysta's performance in 2022 was unheard off for EN male vtubers, they were just two-three tiers below the likes of gura, kuzuha and the top holo jps like aqua, miko and pekora. And mysta and vox did all this in their rookie vtubing year, they were insanely talented and riku should reinvest back in vox again, the guy is still his biggest en talent.
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>>90551090 Holy cope thinking Niji didn't invest in Luxiem. Literally retardness,
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>>90551090 He is a crazy menhera dude who goes on lunatic rants. The only value he ever had was talking about his dick and his cumspurt. He is absolutely awful and even putting his name in a conversation about good vtubers feels grimy.
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>>90548045 before any of you got here
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>>90551837 Vox was given a shitty new model, its obvious that niji en's management cuts his funding this year because vox dared to defend himself against the retarded make-a-wish fatty.
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>>90552480 >Vox was given a model tailored exactly the way he wanted it.
Meanwhile, that same management denied some of the girls the same privilege.
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>>90548045 Kizuna Ai, Mirai Akari, etc. This isn't even a debate.
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Before Azur Lane ruined everything by making westerners think their opinions mattered.
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>>90548045 2019, without question.
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>>90548512 >But judging by how badly Dooby is doing What's so bad about Dooby streams? Aside from her Internet issues that is?
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>>90553362 A serious lack of the blue dorito by her name
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>>90548045 Late 2020/early 2021, when 4chan was forced to create /vt/
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>>90548045 2020.
Westerners really fucking ruined this
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>>90553362 Randomly taking weeks of vacation time is not a good sign. She could do that kind of thing in a corporation but as an indie she is balancing on a speeding car and there is no buffer between her face and the cement below.
She will live and die by her own decisions. Her content choices, her collab choices, all of these decisions have consequences. No safety net anymore.
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>>90548045 I'm generally a contrarian when people are saying "things used to be better" but man, looking at old JP streams and comparing it to modern JP streams I miss when that the chat was 50% kaigainikkis. I loved how that always confused the shit out the JP streamers.
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>>90553109 lies, pomu wanted a detective themed outfit and she got hers. selene wanted a more feminine outfit and got hers too. aster wanted a femboi outfit and got it too, there is no favouritism in niji. vox asked for a manly outfit inspired from sekiro, but what he got was a chinese rice farmer on upper body steroids with pubes for a beard, he was obviously punished by management despite being a loyal servant to the niji causes.
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>>90548045 2021 NijiEN was the peak of vtubing and it's not even close
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between 2020 and 2021.
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This is my personal view
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Right before the Taiwan ya.
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>>90555440 Pomu wanted to have input on her 2nd outfit but management denied her, while allowing it for Elira, Finana, Obsydia, Ethyria, Luxiem, etc.
Pomu wanted to have a gun accessory on her 3rd outfit but management denied her, while at the same time allowing it for Rosemi before her, and Luca and Aster after her.
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>>90557439 maybe pomu's model had different rigging codes compared to wiwa, wuca, wose and aster. she would be mad if she got handed a crap, badly rigged model with the toogles she wanted. patience is a virtue, look at fulgur, he got a crappy redesigned that looks like vesper from stars en but then niji's management fixed his model by offering him a new outfit. pomu was too moody and always complaining at people who works hard and hardly get sleeping time, her 3d model wasnt that bad. wuca had a worse 3d model showcase at the AR LIVE, but i dont see him being angry at it...hm.
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>>90558945 >pomu was too moody and always complaining at people who works hard People who sucked at their jobs and deserve no respect. I don't care how hard Aia works for example, she sucks.
