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I can get Nano misinterpreting this because she's an ESL, but the fact their EFL friends and a fair number of EFL posters seem to read it this way is baffling to me. What Red says is this,>Not to discredit any of your work, because everything you work on is the top of the line incredible, but when everyone's a Nano baby, it feels less special to be one, if that makes sense English being my first language, and paired with the entire context of the exchange, it's pretty fucking clear to me that what Red is suggesting is creating an artificial scarcity of Nano content to mutual benefit. If you low supply of a product that has high demand, that increases it's value. That's business 101. Making it so that Nano's high quality material is primarily or exclusively found with Sinder increases Sinder's value, increasing revenue. That's not fucking manipulation. That's business 101, and he lays it out plainly for Nano to see, upfront. Nano and her friends are just fucking retards. Sinder's a bitch but Nano is a spineless, cowardly liar and honestly comes out looking worse than even Sinder, and that's saying a LOT.
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>>99499839 go sell your tits on onlyfans sinder
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>>99499964 Learn fucking English and stop lying, Nano. Grow a fucking spine and learn to say now while you're at it.
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>>99500079 Learn fucking English and stop lying, Nano. Grow a fucking spine and learn to say no while you're at it.
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>>99499839 Listen, friend, nobody cares about who was in the wrong. We're just enjoying watching a retard destroy her career.
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>>99499839 >Sinder trying to gaslight /vt/ post tits bitch
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>>99500399 I'm getting pissed off that a bigger piece of shit is getting treated as the "victim" of the retard ruining her career.
I can't enjoy schadenfreude when it's tainted by another piece of shit being rewarded.
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>>99500717 Just dig up some dirt on her and spread it around.
Then they can both get shit on.
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>>99499964 >>99500657 >>99500713 This is only proving that Nano's a spineless liar, honestly. No argument in her favor.
What Sinder did was fucked up, but she's facing consequences. Meanwhile Nano is being treated like a fucking victim when this is all her fucking fault.
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>>99499839 If you want an exclusivity arrangement, pay for it. Don't try to manipulate someone into doing it for free, under the table, and force them to lie about it to clients.
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>>99500823 I mean, I would consider the reasons outlined in OP reason enough to shit on Nano.
They blatantly fucking lied in their document, and were a spineless coward who couldn't just say no to a business deal they didn't want to do.
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>>99500859 Where's the manipulation, fuckhead? Point it out for me, go on.
There is none. If you get offered a shit deal upfront, then have the spine to refuse it.
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>>99500903 Everyone is brigading against Sinder currently, including the dramatubers, so I guess you'd have to contact Sinder herself and try to get her to come out and express her own grievances. Otherwise nothing is going to happen.
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>>99500717 It's over Pyrocuck
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>>99501068 If I make a big enough fuss about it, people will realize, and they'll make a big enough fuss about it.
>>99501084 Don't care about Sinder. Cope about it.
Are you Nano samefagging, or do you just simp for a lying coward artist?
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>>99501231 So no manipulation, then? Nice of you to admit.
Now acknowledge my question here
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>>99501142 I wish you the best of luck. It's going to be difficult to get your voice out amongst the sea of pitchforks and torches, but I respect your dedication.
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Everyone expects artists to be worthless pieces of shit who delay or fail to deliver. However sinder is backstabbing her friends while being nice to their face you don't blame a car salesman for selling you shit that's on you for trusting a car salesman but you would blame your best friend for deliberately selling you an overpriced lemon. If that's how she treats friends how much worse is it for strangers.
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>>99499839 The only scummy thing about Nano is that she let other Vtubers, like Bao, know about the dropping of the Sinder doc so that they could also drop a Google Doc about Sinder simultaneously.
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>>99502308 Pretty sure lying about being manipulated, blatantly misrepresenting the discussion, and blaming others for being a coward who can't say no is also scummy.
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tl;dr>Sinder thinks that her co-workers are actually out to get her and has schizo rrats about them stealing her artists/editors, but doesn't want a confrontation with them so never talks to them about it, and just talks about it behind their backs >Her manager is her boyfriend (Red) >Sinder and Red offer an artist working with her friends (Nano) an exclusivity deal in order to create on artificial scarcity of the Nano's content and bump up value, while sharing the rrats about Sinder's co-workers >Nano says yes even though she doesn't want to because she's a spineless coward >Eventually Nano changes her mind and says no >Sinder is totally cool with this and let's her go >Nano goes full schizo and makes a document all about how Sinder and Red were "manipulating" her by doing basic business practices and even by ending their deal amicably >Also includes screenshots of Sinder/Red posting the schizo rrats about their co-workers >Everyone gets insanely butthurt about the schizo rrats and calls Sinder a traitor for trying to get an exclusivity deal with an artist at the expense of her friends >People start dogpiling on her for clout and to make themselves look like the "good ones" >More stuff comes out and it turns out Sinder was cheating on Red >Sinder releases an "apology" where she basically blames everything on Red, which just makes things worse >Nano basically faces no consequences for her actions and is treated like a victim
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>pyrocuck defense force is real she has a boyfriend and you'll never get to smash her
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>>99502982 Don't care, and you can't make me care by convincing yourself I care.
Perps who get rewarded are worse than perps who get punished.
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>>99500859 To be fair to her, she explicitly asked for that in agreement to it and he tried to worm his way out of it
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>>99499839 if you are frog posting at each other it isn't just business
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She got Bao commission cancelled. Enuff said T3 Sub bro
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>>99504467 Nano chose to cancel that commission and wasn't manipulated to do so.
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>>99500843 Yeah Nano getting away with it because everyone believes they were the victim is crazy
Indies also don't want to lose them so they will never cancel nano
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Nano willing lied about "being overworked" as an excuse to cancel the Bao commission. Seems fucked up to me, man. Yeah red and sinder are manipulative and snakes, but nano went along with it willingly. How was she forced to lie? Where exactly was the pressure for nano? Why willing lose such huge clients like bao or silvervale just to stay exclusive to sinder who didn't even offer some kind of exclusivity money? Live 2D Riggers are fucking rare and have jobs scheduled for 2 years in advance. Lose sinder, there are another 10 people still on queue. If she saw their actions as manipulative, she should have cut sinder and red right there. "Yeah lose other jobs and money for our sake, also we won't pay you more :)" It's like the dumbest manipulation attempt ever. From the way they talk with so many uwu Pepe emotes during the "manipulation", I'm sure they were intimate friends and nano didn't really give a shit about bao or the others, something recently happened that broke the friendship and nano lashed out of spite. Which I completely understand, but I don't see her as a victim.