>>18221744For me BoG is basically what started the downfall of the entire franchise, the scaling, power scaling and setting got all fucked up after that. I don't hate Super Saiyan Blue necessarily since using god ki with kaioken and super saiyan is cool and all but I do hate Beerus as a character and I want him to get dicked up the ass
As for Jiren it was more fun to watch ToP with /dbs/ (back when it was cool and not zombie shit that plagues every board without irony) with El Hermano memes than it was seeing him on screen. Jiren has no fucking character and a Saitama-tier gag backstory of doing pushups and situps and drinking plenty of juice until he became stronger than the clown GoD who's stronger than Beerus. Toriyama gave some fuckin' whatever explanation for Jiren but his design and his backstory make him look like the most blatantly cardboard attempt at "we need to make a character that poses a thread to planet eaters like Goku! quick, scribble something down on this soggy napkin!"
