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The Ancient Name of Jerusalem was Bit-Ninib (City of Ninib/Ninurta, the Sumerian Saturn)

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The funniest thing is that one of his sacred animals was the pig/boar.

>According to Halivy's interpretation of EA (El-Amarna) 11. 14-15 (which read âlu mât Urusalim (KI) šumuša âlu Bit-Ninib) bit Ninib (i. e. the temple of Ninib or Adar), is another name for Jerusalem:

>"To my lord, the king: - Abd-hiba, your servant. At the feet of my lord, the king, seven and seven times, I fall. Behold, the deed which Milki-il and Šuardata have done against the land of my lord, the king - they have hired (?) the soldiers of Gazri, of Gimti and of Kilti, and have taken the territory of Rubuti. The territory of the king is lost to the Habiri. And now indeed, a city of the territory of Jerusalem, called Bit-Ninib, one of the cities of the king, has been lost to a people of Kilti, Let the king listen to Abd-hiba, his servant, and send troops, that I may bring back the king's land to the king. For if there are no troops, the land of the king will be lost to the Habiri. This is the deed of Šuardata and Milki-li, (Broken off.) and let the king take care of his land."

>Ninib (Nerig, Nineb, Nin-ip, Nirig, Ninurta): In Near Eastern mythology (Babylonian), god of the summer sun who opposes Marduk, the hero god and god of the spring sun and vegetation

>Wild Boar (Most of Centaurus) The Wild Boar is sacred to Ningirsu, a local form of Ninurta, who is a god closely associated with farming. Indeed the boar’s habit of churning up the earth as it forages for food may ultimately be the historical inspiration for the invention of the plough, which allowed early societies to adopt a sedentary lifestyle

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 22:53:02 No.20262874 Report

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Sorry for my disappearance in last thread, a blackout happened here where I live, hue.

>Abdi-Ḫeba, who was Governor of Jerusalem about 1430 B.C., states, in a letter to his overlord Amenophis IV of Egypt, that Jerusalem, or “Urusalem” is the city of Beth Ninip and of Uru, the god of war, whose name there was Salem

>Uru or Erra (Nergal) was a disease-demon and god of the pestilence before he became a god of war, and Salem, Shalem or Shamash, was worshiped by Melchizedek under the name Sydyk and has been identified with Set, Israel, Saturn, Adar, Dionysus, etc

>In ancient times, as might be expected from the many caves and caverns found in the vicinity, there was in the district where Jerusalem now is, a temple of Ninip, the Babylonian creating god who let loose the Flood

>To Ninip the swine was sacred, and, therefore, taboo to his worshippers. Ninip, like Dionysus, was a lord of the underworld and of “the spirits of the earth” before he became a sungod, and the rock Sakhra (Sakhra was the mother of the sungod) with the cavern or “well of spirits” beneath it, is to the Jews the most sacred part of Jerusalem. Here they say is the “House of the Lord God,” here they pretend was the Holy of Holies of the temple supposed to have been built by Solomon, and here “the pestilence was stayed”!

>Pigs entered into the rites and myths of Adonis, Attis, Tammuz, Set, Semele, Demeter, Rimmon, Dionysus, etc., as well as of Ninip, and were often cast into caverns as a sacrifice. In the cavern at Gezer, which is not far from Jerusalem, many pig bones have been found

>By the Egyptians’ pigs were sacrificed only to “Bacchus” and the moon-god

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 22:54:28 No.20262875 Report

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>The Hare, which is taboo to the Jews and the Hottentots, is associated with both the moon-god and the plague-god, and so is the mouse, which the Jews used to eat, as well as swine’s flesh, sacrificially (Isaiah 66-17)

>“Sakrha” was the mother of the sun-god. And Tammuz, Attis, Dionysus, Bacchus and Adonis (with whom were associated the boar and such things as “perforated stones”) were all sungods who may be identified with Ninip, “the great hog,” Lord of “the spirits of the underworld.” Ninip appeared to his worshippers in the form of a swine; the malignant Saturn was his planet and Jerusalem was his city. Ninip was also “Lord of the veil,” the veil being symbolic both of the underworld and of mourning. Later he became a war-god, a patron of hunting, and a sun-god

>At no time before about 430 B.C., was monotheism a distinctive feature of Jewish worship. From the propitiation of the demons of the ghost-world and the lords of Hell such as Ura (the plague-god), and Ninip (Lord of Swine whose star was the planet Saturn and whose city Jerusalem was); and others such as Bacchus, Dionysus, Tammuz, Adonis, Set and Typhon (to whom the ass and the pig were sacred), as well as Sabazios (or Sabos, Sbat, Sabaoth or Tsebaoth), “the Lord of Hosts”, (whose profligate and always discreditable rites were performed in secret and at night), and Israel Saturn, and the Saturnine “El,” (who were also fire-gods whose holy day was Saturday and to whom children were sacrificed), and the worship of gods like Yerahme’el, Ramman, Moloch, Chamosh, Asshur, Ashtoreth, Nergal and Marduk, etc., -- the Jews advanced slowly and unsteadily to the monolatry of one of the Elohim called Jehovah

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 22:57:17 No.20262876 Report

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is this the origins of Jews not eating pork? not because it's unclean, but out of respect for hogs, similar to how Indians don't eat beef due to respect for cows?

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:01:28 No.20262877 Report

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>"You also carried along Sikkuth your king (Moloch) and Kiyyun, your images, the star of your gods which you made for yourselves." Amos 5:26

>סִכּוּת proper name, of a divinity Amos 5:26 read probably *סַכּוּת, = Assyrian Sakkut (epithet of Adar-Ninip = Saturn), SchrSK 1874, 332; COT AM 5, 26, compare TieleGeschichte. 528 BaeRel 239 RogersEncy. Bib. 749 (Vrss Thes and others = סֻכָּה, סֻכּוֺת)

>Saturn was Nirig, who is best known as Ninip, a deity who was displaced by Enlil, the elder Bel, and afterwards regarded as his son. His story has not been recovered, but from the references made to it there is little doubt that it was a version of the widespread myth about the elder deity who was slain by his son, as Saturn was by Jupiter and Dyaus by Indra. It may have resembled the lost Egyptian myth which explained the existence of the two Horuses--Horus the elder, and Horus, the posthumous son of Osiris. At any rate, it is of interest to find in this connection that in Egypt the planet Saturn was Her-Ka, "Horus the Bull". Ninip was also identified with the bull. Both deities were also connected with the spring sun, like Tammuz, and were terrible slayers of their enemies. Ninip raged through Babylonia like a storm flood, and Horus swept down the Nile, slaying the followers of Set. As the divine sower of seed, Ninip may have developed from Tammuz as Horus did from Osiris. Each were at once the father and the son, different forms of the same deity at various seasons of the year. The elder god was displaced by the son (spring), and when the son grew old his son slew him in turn. As the planet Saturn, Ninip was the ghost of the elder god, and as the son of Bel he was the solar war god of spring, the great wild bull, the god of fertility. He was also as Ber "lord of the wild boar", an animal associated with Rimmon

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:03:25 No.20262878 Report

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>The god of Mars was Nergal, the patron deity of Cuthah, who descended into the Underworld and forced into submission Eresh-ki-gal (Persephone), with whom he was afterwards associated. His "name", says Professor Pinches, "is supposed to mean 'lord of the great habitation', which would be a parallel to that of his spouse, Eresh-ki-gal". At Erech he symbolized the destroying influence of the sun, and was accompanied by the demons of pestilence. Mars was a planet of evil, plague, and death; its animal form was the wolf. In Egypt it was called Herdesher, "the Red Horus", and in Greece it was associated with Ares (the Roman Mars), the war god, who assumed his boar form to slay Adonis (Tammuz)

>Nergal was also a fire god like the Aryo-Indian Agni, who, as has been shown, links with Tammuz as a demon slayer and a god of fertility. It may be that Nergal was a specialized form of Tammuz, who, in a version of the myth, was reputed to have entered the Underworld as a conqueror when claimed by Eresh-ki-gal, and to have become, like Osiris, the lord of the dead. If so, Nergal was at once the slayer and the slain

>In India the White Age (Treta Yuga) was the age of perfect men, and in Greece the Golden Age was the age of men who lived like gods. Thus the first ages in both cases were "Perfect" Ages. The Bronze Age of Greece was the age of notorious fighters and takers of life; in Babylonia the bronze planet Mars was the symbol of the destroying Nergal, god of war and pestilence, while Jupiter was also a destroyer as Merodach, the slayer of Tiamat. In India the Black Age is the age of wickedness. The Babylonian Saturn, as we have seen, is black, and its god, Ninip, was the destroying boar, which recalls the black boar of the Egyptian demon (or elder god) Set. The Greek Cronos was a destroyer even of his own children. All the elder gods had demoniac traits like the ghosts of human beings

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:13:39 No.20262879 Report

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>For in historical times the fear and horror of the pig seem certainly to have outweighed the reverence and worship of which he may once have been the object, and of which, even in his fallen state, he never quite lost trace. He came to be looked on as an embodiment of Set or Typhon, the Egyptian devil and enemy of Osiris. For it was in the shape of a black pig that Typhon injured the eye of the god Horus, who burned him and instituted the sacrifice of the pig, the sun-god Ra having declared the beast abominable. Again, the story that Typhon was hunting a boar when he discovered and mangled the body of Osiris, and that this was the reason why pigs were sacrificed once a year, is clearly a modernised version of an older story that Osiris, like Adonis and Attis, was slain or mangled by a boar, or by Typhon in the form of a boar

>The Gnostics taught that there were eight heavens, each under a separate archon. In the seventh reigned a figure variously called Yaldabaoth or Sabaoth, creator of heaven and earth, the God of the Jews, represented by some Borborites under the form of an ass or a hog; hence the Jewish prohibition of swine's flesh. In the eighth heaven reigned Barbelo, the mother of the living; the Father of All, the supreme God; and Jesus Christ. They denied that Christ was born of Mary, or had a real body, defending instead docetism; and also denied the resurrection of the body. The human soul after death wanders through the seven heavens, until it obtains rest with Barbelo. Man possesses a soul in common with plants and beasts

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:16:02 No.20262880 Report

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>The Egyptian god Set-Typhon was sometimes depicted with a donkey head and he has also been more explicitly associated with the Jewish god. For example, we have the following passage from Plutarch:

>"Those who say that Typhon fled from the battle on an donkey for seven days, and having been saved produced sons, Hierosolymus and Judeaus, are at this point clearly dragging Jewish issues into the story." (Plutarch, De Iside et Osiride 363C-D)

>Seleucid Antiochus IV Epiphanes saw in Yahweh the "Semitic Typhon" and Judaism as a demonic cult whose purpose was to destroy the cult of the Gods and plunge Humanity into darkness, so he tried to destroy it and reconvert the Jerusalem temple into a center of worship for Zeus

>Antiochus issued decrees forbidding many traditional Jewish practices and began a campaign of persecution against devout Jews

>Swine were strictly unclean to Jews, but Diodorus wrote, Antiochus "sacrificed a great swine at the image of Moses, and at the altar of God that stood in the outward court, and sprinkled them with the blood of the sacrifice

>He commanded likewise that the books, by which they were taught to hate all other nations, should be sprinkled with the broth made of the swine's flesh, he also prohibited circumcision and castration (being considered by the Greeks as a senseless attack on one's own body), and human sacrifices (an allegation of which the Jews were accused since their stay in Egypt)

>Lastly he forced the high priest and the other Jews to eat swine's flesh"

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:16:44 No.20262881 Report

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ROBERT SHILLING AGAIN

REMINDER>>>>>>>>>>>> Saturn and Venus were not planets until the Renaissance and were named something else. Saturn was a crop deity and Venus was sex deity born from the sea foam.

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>"He finds the man is possessed by a multitude of demons who give the collective name of "Legion". Fearing that Jesus will drive them out of the world and into the abyss, they beg him instead to cast them into a herd of pigs on a nearby hill, which he does. The pigs then rush into the sea and are drowned." (Mark 5:1–5:13)

>Legion was the term for a unit of the Roman army that included five thousand men and an equal number of auxiliary troops! The army of ten thousand that Rome used to subdue Palestine—and eventually destroy Jerusalem—was the Tenth Legion. The symbol of this hated occupying force was a pig. Formed by Julius Caesar around 61 (or 59) BCE, during his stint as the governor of Hispania, the Tenth Mounted was Caesar's first command. Like Caesar's other legions, the Tenth had a bull as its emblem

>When he had been driven out of his kingdom, we have to suppose that he took refuge somewhere. And a very ancient story is that he subsequently hid in Italy. Hence the name Saturn is from סתר, Satar, to hide. And the name of Italy, Chittim, is from כתים, concealed hiding (as Bochart has explained at length in his Geography, bk. 3, ch. 5). For Cittim the Latins in their own Language say Latium. At the time when Saturn arrived in Italy, they claim that Janus was king, and therefore Janus is either the more ancient King or, more truly, the same King as Saturn. Before Saturn there was no God among you: Tertullian, Apology, ch. 10. Saturn was called Chiun and Chiwan by the Easterners, names which do not much differ from ἰαν; and in the Latin language Ιαν is Janus

Rome was the earthly throne of the god Saturn who ruled primordial Italy from Capitoline hill. In those days it was known as Saturn's Hill (Mons Saturnius), and Rome was Saturnium and all of Italy was Saturnia and every day was Saturnalia.

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:26:57 No.20262883 Report

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Yes, the same goes for donkeys.

>Jews have some (somewhat esoteric) holy parables related to donkeys:

>the animal most compared to man in the Torah is the donkey
>Donkey in Hebrew is Chamor which is close to Chomer meaning material and we identify the donkey with materialism and crassness
>The messiah will come riding into Israel on a donkey, this is a symbol of humility
>The donkey exhibits both signs of kosher impurity — they are not ruminants, nor do they have cloven hooves. The Zohar teaches that the donkey is avi avot ha-tumah, the ultimate source of impurity
>Abraham rode to sacrifice Isaac on a donkey
>Moses took the Jews out of egypt on a donkey
>Jews have a special ceremony for the first born male of a donkey which is very unique and odd (this is rather esoteric and uncommon): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petter_chamor

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:37:37 No.20262884 Report

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>Abdi-Ḫeba (Abdi-Kheba, Abdi-Ḫepat, or Abdi-Ḫebat) was a local chieftain of Jerusalem during the Amarna period (mid-1330s BC). Egyptian documents have him deny he was a mayor (ḫazānu) and assert he is a soldier (we'w), the implication being he was the son of a local chief sent to Egypt to receive military training there

>Also unknown is whether he was part of a dynasty that governed Jerusalem or whether he was put on the throne by the Egyptians. Abdi-Ḫeba himself notes that he holds his position not through his parental lineage but by the grace of Pharaoh, but this might be flattery rather than an accurate representation of the situation. At this time the area he administered from his garrison may have had a population of fifteen hundred people and Jerusalem would have been a 'small highlands stronghold' in the fourteenth century BC with no fortifications or large buildings

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:41:39 No.20262885 Report

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https://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8541-jebus
>The earliest historical notices respecting Jerusalem come from the El-Amarna tablets. Before the fifteenth century B.C. Babylonian influences must have been present. There was a city called "Bit-Ninib" (Temple of the God Ninib) in the "district of Jerusalem "(Letter 180, 25). In the fifteenth century Amenophis III. had extended Egyptian rule so as to include Syria, Mesopotamia, Babylonia, and Assyria. This empire, however, became disrupted through its own weight. The individual districts in Palestine and Syria had been first under native princes ("amelu") with an Egyptian resident ("rabiẓ"), and then under a "ḥazzanu," who was in reality a viceroy of the Pharaoh. Jerusalem was the chief seat of one of the districts, in consequence of which it may at one time have changed its name ("the king has placed his name upon Jerusalem," Letter 180, 60). The four El-Amarna letters from Jerusalem were written by itsḥazzanu, one Abdi Heba. The whole district was sorely pressed by the Ḥabiri. The chief conspirators against him were Milki-il, his father-in-law Tagi, Shuardatu, the Banu Lapaya, the Banu Arzawa, and Adaya, a military chief; they prevented him from personally reporting to his sovereign, upon whom he impressed the fact that if reenforcements were not sent, the whole "land of the King" would be lost. He protested his loyalty, and mentioned the presents he had sent to the king by the latter's officer Shuta. How long the conspiracy had lasted is not known. Before that, an Egyptian special officer (rabiẓ) had been sent to Jerusalem

>One of the El-Amarna Tablets Mentioning Abdi Heba of Jerusalem.(From Ball, "Light from the East.") The Kash (?) had also entered Abdi Heba's dominions; and one city had gone over to the Kilti. From another of the El-Amarna letters (182, 5) it appears that Jerusalem itself was in the hands of rebels, and that Egyptian troops which had been sent under Haya

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:49:08 No.20262886 Report

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>Originally, like Merodach, Adar had been a solar deity. We are distinctly told that he was the meridian sun, whose scorching heats represented the fiercer side of Baal- worship. But whereas Merodach was the sun conceived of as rising from the ocean-stream, Adar was the sun who issues forth from the shades of night. His wife accordingly is "the lady of the dawn." Like all solar deities in Babylonia, an oracle mas attached to his shrine. His name is explained to mean " the lord of the oracle," and one of his titles mas '[the voice" or supreme." It was on this account that later mythologists identified him with Nwbo, though between the Sun-god of Nipur and the prophet-deity of Borsippa there was originally no sort of connection. On the other hand, it must have been his solar character that gave rise to the two curious titles of 'lord of the date" and "lord of the pig". The latter title mas naturally dropped in the Semitic period of Chaldæan history

>W. A. I. ii. 57,39. In K 161, i. 8, one of the remedies prescribed for disease of the heart is siru AN Nin-pes, "swine's flesh." Rimmon, when worshipped as Mâtu (Martu), was also known as khumuntsir, the Accadised form of the Semitic khumtsiru, "a pig" (W. A. 1. iii 68, 70). >The title "lord of the pig" connects Adar with the Ares of Greek mythology, who in the form of the wild boar slew the Sun-god Tammuz; while the title "lord of the date" - the chief fruit of Babylonia - reminds us of Cain, who was "a tiller of the ground." Under the name of Baru, Adar was identified with iron, since the name of "iron" was denoted in Accadian by bar, "the shining" (see W.A.I. v. 30, 52), which was written with the determinative of divinity, indicative of the meteoric origin of the first imn worked in Babylonia

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Anonymous Fri 10 May 2024 23:56:39 No.20262887 Report

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>Adar, an Assyrian deity, the god of the thunderbolt and storm-cloud, was called " the Sun of the South," and was also the deity of physical power, corresponding to the Greek Hercules. He was frequently also called Bar and Ninip (Ninurta)

>In the Persian religion, Adar is the breath of the holy fire, also the spirit which animates it. Of the holy fire there are many kinds

>(1) Berezeseny, fire in the earth, proved by the burning naphtha springs; a purified form was worshipped in three different holy places of Persia; (2) Wefreitn, fire in living beings: (animal. heat ), (3) Qruzesht, the fire in plants; (4) Wazesht, the fire in the clouds ( lightning); (5) Spenesht, the fire in houses, kitchens, etc.; (6) Ormuzd, the pure fire burning on the altars, whose highest potency was the Brahma fire; (7) Ferobun, worshipped under Jemshid; (8) Gochasp, adored under Chosroes; and (9) Burzin Matun, worshipped under Zerdusht. To touch the holy fire with the hand was forbidden, and was punishable by death, even though a priest became guilty of it, SEE FIRE

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:09:56 No.20262888 Report

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The Jewish God, Yahweh, is the Edomite/Midianite version of the Minoan/Pelasgian (Proto-Greek) Zeus/Dionysus, Velchanos, who was a solar agrarian bull god who dies and resurrects like the Middle Eastern gods like Dumuzi/Tammuz/Adonis, Baal Hadad and Osiris. In fact, Moses was known as Osarseph (Osar comes from Osiris, who was Dionysus to the Egyptians). This is why the Greeks/Romans equated Yahweh with Dionysus/Bacchus and said that the Phoenicians/Chaldeans called him Iao and Sabaoth, which were titles of Yahweh.

One of epithets of Zeus used by Cretan Greeks was "Zeus Velchanos". Cretan Greeks had several traditions about Zeus which were absent from the mainstream hellenic mythology, such as the place of Zeus' birth being an obscure sacred cave on mount Ida, or Zeus symbolically dying every year and then rising from the dead. All this suggests that the Cretan Zeus was an amalgam of Indo-European Zeus and a local Minoan god, whose name might have survived as the epithet "Velchanos" (notice the similarity to "Vulcan"). Also, Velchanos was the name of a spring festival and a month according to a calendar or two found in Gortyn (Crete).

The name "Hephaistos" (Mycenaean Apaitijo) contains possibly the same root as the Greek name of a city on Crete, "Phaistos" (Myc. Paito). We know that Phaistos is an originally Minoan word because the Egyptian records mention it in this form at a time when Mycenaeans haven't reached Crete yet.

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:17:43 No.20262889 Report

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>Velchanos, properly Welchanos (Greek: Ϝελχάνος, Welkhános), Gelchanos (Γελχάνος, Gelkhános), or Elchanos (Ελχάνος, Elkhános), is an ancient Minoan god associated with vegetation and worshipped in Crete. He was one of the main deities in the Minoan pantheon, alongside a Mother Goddess figure who appears to have been his mother and consort, with the two participating in an hieros gamos

>The cult of Velchanos was likely influenced by the Mesopotamian deity Dumuzid. Following the rise of Mycenaean Greece and contact with the Minoans, Velchanos' cult influenced that of Zeus, who was at times referred to by Greeks under the name Zeus Velchanos. Other possible influences include the Roman deity Vulcan

>According to Arthur Evans, a tree cult played one of the most important aspects of the Minoan religion in ancient Crete. In this cult, two deities were worshipped; one male and one female. In this tree cult, while the Mother Goddess was viewed as a personification of tree-vegetation, the male god formed a "concrete image of the vegetation itself in the shape of a divine child or a youth", with the two forming a mother and child relationship. Given the role of the hieros gamos between the two, it has been theorized that Velchanos was partially based on the Mesopotamian Dumuzid

>Coins from Phaistos depicted Zeus Velchanos with a cock in his lap. These coins also depicted him with an oak tree. He was also depicted with a bull. At other times, Velchanos was depicted as an eagle

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:19:51 No.20262890 Report

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Finally catching up?

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:20:43 No.20262891 Report

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>>20262889
>Velkanos & Bal Kanha – Divine Boy of Ancient Crete & Braj

>Who is Zeus? Who is Kouros and who is Velchanos?

>Crete is home to one of humanity’s most ancient Civilizations. The human presence on Crete may indeed reach far back into the earliest epochs of history. In 2002, 5,600,000 year old human-like footprints were discovered on the island. Debate rages as to their significannce. However, the discovery of 130,000 years old stone tools have incontrovertibly affirmed a Paleolithic human presence on Crete. Based upon this discovery, the historic timeline for seafaring has now been pushed back by thousands of years. Suffice it to say, there truly can be no doubt regarding the extreme antiquity of Cretan civilization

>Moving forward into recorded history, civilization blossomed in Crete long before the Greek Mycenaean era. The religion of ancient Crete verily served as a template for the Greeks of the Classical Age. Its religious and mystical sites were Places of Pilgrimage for it was the birthplace of Zeus himself. Thus rather than just another civilization, Crete was both the economic and religious epicenter of ancient Mediterranean high civilization

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:21:36 No.20262892 Report

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>The 5,600,000 year old footprints appear more clearly in this photo, after the surface was cleaned in November 2010 by Gierlinski and his colleagues Grzegorz Niedzwiedzki and Andrzej Boczarowski. (Submitted by Gerard Gierlinski)

>Pointing again at the ancient and globally prevalent presence of Sanskrit, scholars have recognized a clear relationship between ancient Minoan Linear A and Sanskrit, A key question thus arises. Is language the sole Vedic cultural artifact yet discovered? The answer can now be revealed. A brief review of the evidence provides some startling insights into the nature of ancient Minoan and Mycenaean religion and belief

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:23:21 No.20262893 Report

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>>20262892
>The Divine Boy of Crete

>Over 100 yrs ago, Jane Harrison, one of the world’s leading experts on Greek Religion, wrote of an ancient Hymn to Kouros. Called the Hymn of the Kouretes, it is in praise of Meghistos Kouros, ‘the Greatest and Youthful at the head of the Gods‘. Found at an ancient temple on the Island of Crete, it is one of history’s most important discoveries in the understanding of ancient religion. Adressed to Zeus in his youthful form as Kouros Welchanos, “This hymn was inscribed on both sides of a limestone slab, four fragments of which were recovered from votive pits near Roussolakkos at Palaikastro, Crete in 1904. This discovery confirmed that Palaikastro was the site of the ancient Diktaion – the sanctuary famed in antiquity for the worship of Zeus’. Jane Harrison, ‘Themis: a Study of the Social Origins of Greek Religion '

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:24:12 No.20262894 Report

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>>20262893
>This book reveals that the worship of Baby Zeus as Kouros is at the very origins of ancient Minoan and Greek religion. Zeus is identified as Kouros ‘the youthful and the greatest.’ He is identified as the ‘Divine Boy’ who was hidden away at birth and given to another to be as his mother. Arthur Evans, the famous discoverer of Minoan civilization classified him as, “… a divine child or a youth.’

>A series of 2500 yr old praisos, Cretan coins depict this same Baby Zeus being Nursed by a Cow. in fact this was one of the most popular coins of the region

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:25:11 No.20262895 Report

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>>20262894
>Meghistos Kouros ‘Greatest Kouros’ Megha and Maha are the same word

>Young Zeus is represented in ancient Minoan art as a long-haired youth and hymned to as ‘ho megas kouros’ or “the great youth.” He is surrounded by the Kouretes, young men initiates of the Kouros tradition. They were a band of ecstatic armed dancers, protecting the Infant Zeus. This same element is present in the Indic Vaishnava tradition as well. Thus the Cowherd men led by Child Krishna’s adopted father, Nanda Maharaj protected the youth as he was suckled by Cows

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:28:49 No.20262896 Report

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>>20262895
>“Kouros most great, I glorify you, Kronian, lord of all that is moist and gleaming, you stand at the head of all gods…rejoice in our dance and our song! with lyre and flutes as we sing around your altar…” Hymn to Kouros, the ‘Divine Youth’ of Crete

>Young Zeus, known as Kouros was also named Welchanos. (Here W is pronounced V and the CH is pronounced as K. Welchanos has thus been confused with the demigod Vulcanus. Some scholars doubt that Welchanos, Velchanos, Kourus and Zeus are one. Yet the only proof they give is that his name is found along with the name of Zeus within the same prayer. thus they say he must be a totally different God

>However if we applied this to any Vedic Mantra we can easily see the innaccuracies of this conclusion. It is an example of scholars with no background in devotional practice of any of the living sacred traditions, they reach a mundane conclusion. Using such logic the entire ‘Hari Haraya Namah Krsna‘ hymn would be about 100 different gods competing for worship and prayers

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:30:26 No.20262897 Report

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>>20262896
>As Welchanos, (pronounced Velkanos, is potentially a dialectical version of the Sanskrit Bala Kana). Velchanos is actually a later Greek pronunciation of the original Minoan. Beyond the name, the commonalities become obvious when comparing the attributes, characteristics and legends of Welchanos Kouros, the ‘Divine Boy’ of ancient Crete and Bal Kanha Krishna, the ‘Divine Boy‘ of Brajadham, Vrindavan

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:37:45 No.20262898 Report

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>>20262874
>>20262875
No, monkey, the thread got 404'd. You didn't "have a power blackout".
288 words in 86 seconds. That's even faster than your last one! What'd we say 283 in 93 seconds?

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:39:38 No.20262899 Report

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>>20262897
>Kouros is always represented as a youthful beardless God often in a gesture of worship or adoration to a Female Goddess

>CRETE, Phaistos. Circa 330-320 BC. Stater, Silver Velchanos, seated left within a tree; holding a rooster, standing on his right knee, with his right hand, and resting his left on his seat

>Velchanos was frequently depicted on the coins of Phaistos seated among the branches of a tree. These Ancient Cretan Coins featuring Kouros Velchanos sitting in a tree are such examples. The bird symbolism is also significant and relates to the eagle/hawk/rooster that is always associated with the divinity of Zeus/Vishnu/HR/Helios. Like all these forms of God, Velchanos was also depicted as an Eagle

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:40:10 No.20262900 Report

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>>20262881
What? Monkey hates Robert and instead like a guy who works for Mossad. He thinks Rob is a shill. It's pretty funny because Rob says the Scithians were white, but monkey says they were brown. I think it's hilarious because he keeps posting about how people the Scithians were obviously related to were white and had red or blonde hair.
It's sort of our thing.

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:41:09 No.20262901 Report

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>>20262899
>Zeus as young Velchanos seated in a tree; in right hand holds Rooster. Bull rushing (sometimes walking)

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:43:43 No.20262902 Report

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>>20262901
>A series of 2500 yr old praisos, Cretan coins depicts this same Baby Zeus being nursed by a Cow

>Rather then an obscure regional cult, Velchanos worship was widespread and long lasting. A Velchania festival was long celebrated and it endured through the centuries down into the Hellenistic era. ‘Inscriptions at Gortyn and Lyttos record a Velchania festival, showing that Velchanios was still widely venerated in Hellenistic Crete.’ ‘In the Hellenistic period a small sanctuary dedicated to Zeus Velchanos was founded at the Hagia Triada site of a long-ruined Minoan palace.’ Zeus at Mythos

>The Velchanos tradition of ancient Crete was at the core of classical Greek culture. This is confirmed by the ancient book, Plato’s Laws. The characters of the book engage in a dialog on the origins of civilization as they proceed, ‘…on their religious pilgrimage from Knossos to the cave of Zeus.’ This cave of Zeus is the sacred birthplace of Zeus as the ‘Divine Child‘ Velchanos Kouros. ‘The dramatic setting of Plato’s Laws is along the pilgrimage-route to one such site, emphasizing archaic Cretan knowledge.‘ Zeus, the Sky and Thunder God

>Sacred Pilgramage Routes connected to Velchanos reflect yet another vital ingredient of the tradition. Pilgrims such as those highlighted by Plato, followed specific routes directly connected to Zeus and his associated legends

>‘Velchanos was a youthful male deity of Ancient Crete; He was identified as a form of Zeus and was worshipped in the form of a Divine Boy. He was titled as ‘ho megas kouros‘ ‘o great youth’. His sanctuaries were often in mountain caves or in green woodlands.’

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:51:24 No.20262903 Report

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>>20262902
>The Cretan Zeus was a deity who each year died a violent death and came to life again. He thus resembled closely the Egyptian Osiris, the culture king, who introduced agriculture, was slain by Set (one of whose forms was the black pig), and afterwards became Judge of the Dead. We do not know what name was borne by this Cretan deity. It may have been "Velchanos", the youthful warrior of Cretan tradition. A Knossian cult may have called him Minos. As we have seen, this culture king, who during life was famed as a lawgiver, became one of the judges of the dead in the Homeric Hades. Apparently he was deified and regarded as a form of the Cretan Dionysus, who differed somewhat from the Thracian Dionysus

>At what period Zeus-Dionysus was introduced into Crete it is impossible to say with certainty. His close association with agriculture and the underworld suggests that he was known at an early period, but, as will be shown in the next chapter, not necessarily the earliest

>To the agriculturists the myths and customs associated with the sowing and reaping of grain were of as much importance as the implements they used

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:52:43 No.20262904 Report

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>>20262903
>Every people who in early times adopted the agricultural mode of life adopted also the religious practices associated with it. Persistent folk-legends in Greece pointed to Egypt as the fountainhead of agricultural religion. Diodorus Siculus says that the mysteries of Dionysus are identical with those of Osiris, and that the Isis and Demeter mysteries are the same also, the only difference being in the names applied to the deities. "Osiris", says Herodotus, "is named Dionysus (Bacchus) by the Greeks."

>The Cretan Zeus-Dionysus links not only with Osiris, but also with Tammuz of Babylon, Ashur of Assyria, Attis of Phrygia, Adonis of Greece, Agni of India and his twin-brother Indra, the Germanic Scef and Frey and Heimdal, and the Scoto-Irish Diarmid. Each of these deities was apparently a developed form of a primitive culture-god, who was a deity of love, fertility, and vegetation; he symbolized the grass required by pastoralists, the fruit of wild and cultivated trees, the spring flowers, and the corn; in short, he was the provider of the food-supply, and he was the life-principle in the food

>In pre-historic times, when the migrating peoples had a vague conception of the mysterious Power which controlled the Universe and the lives of men, they did not give concrete and permanent form to the deities they worshipped and propitiated and controlled by the performance of magical ceremonies. They believed that the Power was manifested in various forms at different periods, and existed in all forms at one and the same time. Osiris appeared among men as a wise king who introduced agriculture and inaugurated just laws; he was at the same time the moon and the young bull, goat, or boar, who was given origin by a "ray of light" issuing from the moon

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:53:57 No.20262905 Report

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>>20262904
>He was the ancestor of men and edible animals; he was the "vital spark" or life-essence n all that grew; he was the Nile which fertilized the sun-parched desert. Each Pharaoh was an Osiris, and each pious individual who died became one with Osiris in the agricultural heaven which he attained by obeying the laws of Osiris. Thus Proclus says, in reference to the Greek mysteries: "The gods assume many forms and change from one to another; now they are manifested in the emission of shapeless light, now they are of human shape, and anon appear in other and different forms"

>The Cretan god was the son of the Great Mother who has been identified with Rhea. Apparently he also became her husband. Osiris was the son of Isis, or of Isis and Nepthys--"the bull begotten of the two cows Isis and Nepthys", and he was also at once the husband and father of Isis. Tammuz was the son and spouse of Ishtar, and the later Adonis the lover and son of Aphrodite

>The goddess Demeter and the god Dionysus, her son, were said to be of Cretan origin. According to Firmicus Maternus, Dionysus was the illegitimate son of King Jupiter of Crete, and was hated by Queen Juno. On one occasion, when Jupiter prepared to leave the island, he appointed Dionysus to reign in his place. Juno plotted, during her husband's absence, with the Titans, who lured the young prince away and devoured him. Minerva, his sister, however, rescued his heart and gave it to Jupiter on his return, and that high god enclosed the heart in a case and placed it in a temple which he erected, so that it might be worshipped. Other myths of similar character are told regarding the young god who was mangled like the Egyptian Osiris. One variation states that Jupiter had the heart pounded in a mortar and given to Semele, who, after eating it, gave birth once more to Dionysus

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:56:59 No.20262906 Report

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>>20262905
>In the Egyptian Anpu-Bata story, Bata, who is evidently a primitive god resembling Osiris, exists in various forms at different periods. His soul enters a blossom, and when the blossom is destroyed the soul enters a sacred bull; the bull is slain and the soul is enclosed in two trees: the trees are cut down, and a chip having entered the mouth of the Pharaoh's wife, that lady gives birth to a child who is no other than the original Bata

>The identification of the god with an animal suggests totemism. In one of the early culture stages it was believed that the spirit of the eponymous tribal ancestor existed in a bull, a bear, a pig, or a deer, as the case might be. Invariably the animal was an edible one--the source of the food-supply, or the guardian of it. Osiris, in one part of Egypt, was a bull and in another a goat. He appears also to have had a boar form. Set went out to hunt a wild boar when he found the body of Osiris and tore it in pieces

>The sacred animal was tabooed for a certain period of the year, or altogether. In Egypt the pig was never eaten except sacrificially. Herodotus says: "The pig is regarded among them (the Egyptians) as an unclean animal, so much so that if a man in passing accidentally touch a pig, he instantly hurries to the river and plunges in with all his clothes on. Hence, too, the swineherds, notwithstanding that they are of pure Egyptian blood, are forbidden to enter into any of the temples, which are open to all other Egyptians; and further, no one will give his daughter in marriage to a swineherd, or take a wife from among them, so that the swineherds are forced to intermarry among themselves. They do not offer swine in sacrifice to any of their gods, excepting Bacchus (Osiris) and the moon, whom they honour in this way at the same time, sacrificing pigs to both of them at the same full moon, and afterwards eating of the flesh. . . . At any other time they would not so much as taste it."

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 00:58:01 No.20262907 Report

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>>20262906
>According to one of the Cretan legends regarding Zeus-Dionysus, as related by Athenæus, the animal which nourished with its milk the young god of the cave was a sow. "Wherefore all the Cretans consider this animal sacred, and will not taste of its flesh; and the men of Præsos perform sacred rites with the sow, making her the first offering at the sacrifice." The pig taboo extended as far as Wales, Scotland, and Ireland, and is still remembered

>Dionysus was also associated with the goat, as we have seen. A clay impression of a gem from Knossos shows an infant sitting beside a horned sheep. Possibly we have here another form of the legend. The various animals may have been totemic. Different tribes claimed descent from different animals which were associated with the culture-god whom they adopted

>It would appear that the bull tribe achieved ascendancy in Crete, for the horns of that animal, a piece of "ritual furniture", which Sir Arthur Evans refers to "by anticipation" as "the horns of consecration", is the commonest cult objective on pottery, frescoes, gems, steles, and altars. The horns were evidently a symbol of the god of fertility. It would appear that before Zeus-Dionysus was depicted in human shape he was worshipped through his symbols or attributes

>Another symbol of the god was the 8-form shield. In North Africa it is found associated with the Libyan goddess Neith, who was a Great Mother with a fatherless son. On Mycenæan and Cretan signets and seals this shield is sometimes shown with human head and arms. It was used by one of the Hittite tribes, and may be identical with the Bœotian shield. A similar pattern also "appears as an ornamental motive on a bronze belt of the latest Bronze or earliest Hallstatt period in Hungary"

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:05:54 No.20262908 Report

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>>20262907
>Tammuz, Attys, Hadad, Adonis, Gingras, & Artemis, Istar, Aphrodite, Semiramis, Gingira

>“Greek mythology itself knew the name of Tammuz as well as that of Adonis. Theias or Thoas was not only the Lemnian husband of Myrina and the king of the Tauric Khersonese who immolated strangers on the altars of Artemis, he was also king of Assyria and father of Adonis and his sister Myrrha or Smyrna

>In the Kyprian myth the name of Theias is transformed into Kinyras; but, like Theias, he is the father of Adonis by his daughter Myrrha. Myrrha is the invention of a popular etymology; the true form of the name was Smyrna or Myrina, a name famous in the legendary annals of Asia Minor

>Myrina or Smyrna, it was said, was an Amazonian queen, and her name is connected with the four cities of the western coast–Smyrna, Kymê, Myrina and Ephesos–whose foundation was ascribed to Amazonian heroines

>But the Amazons were really the warrior priestesses of the great Asiatic goddess, whom the Greeks called the Artemis of Ephesos, and who was in origin the Istar of Babylonia modified a little by Hittite influence

>Drawn by Faucher-Gudin, from a heliogravure in Ménant's Recherches sur la Glyptique orientale.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17323/17323-h/17323-h.htm#linkBimage-0018

>It was she who, in the Asianic cult of Attys or Hadad, took the place of Istar and Aphroditê; for just as Attys himself was Tammuz, so the goddess with whom he was associated was Istar. At Hierapolis, which succeeded to the religious fame and beliefs of the ancient Hittite city of Carchemish, the name under which the goddess went seems to have been Semiramis, and it is possible that Semiramis and Smyrna are but varying forms of the same word

>However this may be, in the Kyprian Kinyras who takes the place of Theias we have a play upon the Phoenician kinnór, or “either,” which is said to have been used in the worship of Adonis

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:09:31 No.20262909 Report

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>>20262908
>But its real origin seems to be indicated by the name of Gingras which Adonis himself bore. Here it is difficult not to recognize the old Accadian equivalent of Istar, Gingira or Gingiri, “the creatress.”

>The fact that Tammuz was the son of Ea points unmistakably to the source both of his name and of his worship. He must have been the primitive Sun-god of Eridu, standing in the same relation to Ea, the god of Eridu, that Adar stood to Mul-lil, the god of Nipur

>“Cylinder seal impression which may portray Dumuzi retained in the underworld, flanked by snakes.” (cf. illustration and text on p. 71. Henrietta McCall. Mesopotamian Myths. London. British Museum Publications in cooperation with the University of Texas Press, Austin. 1990, 1993)
http://www.bibleorigins.net/CherubimOrigins.html

>It is even possible that the boar whose tusk proved fatal to Adonis may originally have been Adar himself. Adar, as we have seen, was called the “lord of the swine” in the Accadian period, and the Semitic abhorrence of the animal may have used it to symbolise the ancient rivalry between the Sun-god of Nipur and the Sun-god of Eridu

>Those who would see in the Cain and Abel of Scripture the representatives of elemental deities, and who follow Dr. Oppert in explaining the name of Abel by the Babylonian ablu, “the son,” slightly transformed by a popular etymology, may be inclined to make them the Adar and Tammuz of Chaldean faith.”

>A.H. Sayce, Lectures on the Origin and Growth of Religion as Illustrated by the Religion of the Ancient Babylonians, 5th ed., London, 1898, pp. 235-6

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:19:01 No.20262910 Report

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>>20262909
>Moon Gods

>“Adar bears the same relation to Mul-lil that Merodach bears to Ea. Each alike is the son and messenger of the older god

>But whereas the errands upon which Merodach is sent are errands of mercy and benevolence, the errands of Adar are those that befit an implacable warrior. He contends not against the powers of darkness, like Merodach, for the father whose orders he obeys is himself the ruler of the powers of darkness; it is against mankind, as in the story of the Deluge, that his arms are directed. He is a solar hero who belongs to the darkness and not to the light

>It is thus that one of his brothers is “the first-born” of Mul-lil, Mul-nugi, “the lord from whom there is no return.” Mul-nugi is the lord of Hades, the god who is called Irkalla in the legend of the Descent of Istar, and out of whose hands there is no escape

>It may be that he is but another form of the Moon-god, since the Moon-god, we are told, was also the eldest son of Mul-lil. But the name by which the Moon-god went at Nipur was one that signified “the god of glowing fire.”

>It is curious to find the mythologists identifying this “god of glowing fire” with Adar; but the error was natural; both alike were sons of Mul-lil, and both alike represented the great orbs of heaven

>The chief seat, however, of the worship of the Moon-god was not Nipur but Ur (the modern Mugheir). Here stood the great temple the ruins of which were partially explored by Loftus

>Already in the oldest documents that have come from thence, the god to whom the temple was consecrated is identified with the Moon-god of Nipur. Already he is termed “the first-born of Mul-lil.” The spread of the cult of Mul-lil, therefore, and of the magic which it implied, must have made its way as far south as Ur in a very remote age

>But we have no reason for believing that the Moon-god of Ur and the Moon-god of Nipur were originally one and the same

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This is great /tg/ material. Keep posting!

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:22:08 No.20262912 Report

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>>20262910
>Each Babylonian town, large and small, had its own local Moon-god, whose several names are recorded on a broken tablet

>The forms under which the Moon-god was worshipped in Babylonia were as numerous as the forms of the Sun-god himself

>What seems yet more singular to the comparative mythologist is that, according to the official religion of Chaldea, the Sun-god was the offspring of the Moon-god

>Such a belief could have arisen only where the Moon-god was the supreme object of worship. It is a reversal of the usual mythological conception which makes the moon the companion or pale reflection of the sun. It runs directly counter to the Semitic Baal-worship

>To the Semite the Sun-god was the lord and father of the gods; the moon was either his female consort, or, where Semitic theology had been influenced by that of Chaldea, an inferior god.”

>A.H. Sayce, Lectures on the Origin and Growth of Religion as Illustrated by the Religion of the Ancient Babylonians, 5th ed., London, 1898, pp. 153-5

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:25:33 No.20262913 Report

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>>20262912
>The Etymology of the Name “Moses”

>“Josephos has preserved an extract from the Egyptian historian Manetho, which relates the Egyptian version of the story of the Exodus as it was told in the second century before our era. In this it is stated that the earlier name of Moses was Osarsiph, and that he had been priest of Heliopolis or On

>Here it is evident that Moses and Joseph have been confounded together. The name of Joseph, who married the daughter of the priest of On, has been decomposed into two elements, the first of which is the divine name Jeho, and this has been changed into its supposed Egyptian equivalent Osar or Osiris

>It is clear that, whatever might have been his opinion about the name of Joseph, Manetho had no doubt that that of Moses was purely Israelitish. It was not until he had become the Israelitish lawgiver and had ceased to be an Egyptian priest that Osarsiph took the name of Moses

>But Moses finds no satisfactory etymology in the pages of the Hebrew lexicon. It stands alone among Hebrew proper names, like Aaron and David. We do not hear of any other persons who have borne the name. If, therefore, it is Semitic, it must belong to an older stratum of Semitic nomenclature than that preserved to us in the Old Testament. We must look to other branches of the Semitic stock for its explanation

>There is only one other branch of the Semitic family whose records are earlier than those of the Hebrews. Arabic literature begins long after the Christian era, when Jewish and Greek and even Christian names and ideas had penetrated into the heart of the Arabian peninsula

>The Arabic language, moreover, belongs to a different division of the Semitic family of speech from that to which Hebrew belongs. To compare Arabic and Hebrew together is like comparing Latin with modern German

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:26:43 No.20262914 Report

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Why don't you ever at least post the book titles for us, monkey?

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>>20262913
>There is, however, one Semitic language which has the closest affinities to Hebrew, and this is also the language of which we possess records older than those of the Hebrew Scriptures. I need hardly say that I am referring to Assyrian

>Now the Assyrian equivalent of the Hebrew Mosheh, “Moses,” would be mâsu, and, as it happens, mâsu is a word which occurs not unfrequently in the inscriptions. It was a word of Accadian origin, but since the days of Sargon of Accad had made itself so thoroughly at home in the language of the Semitic Babylonians as to count henceforth as a genuinely Semitic term

>Mâsu signified as nearly as possible all that we mean by the word “hero.” As such, it was an epithet applied to more than one divinity; there was one god more especially for whom it became a name

>This god was the deity sometimes called Adar by Assyrian scholars, sometimes Nin-ip, but whose ordinary name among the Assyrians is still a matter of uncertainty. He was a form of the Sun-god, originally denoting the scorching sun of mid-day. He thus became invested with the sterner attributes of the great luminary of day, and was known to his worshippers as “the warrior of the gods.”

>The title of Mâsu, however, was not confined to Adar. It was given also to another solar deity, Merodach, the tutelar god of Babylon and the antagonist of the dragon of chaos, and was shared by him with Nergal, whose special function it was to guard and defend the world of the dead

>But Nergal himself was but the sun of night, the solar deity, that is to say, after he had accomplished his daily work in the bright world above and had descended to illuminate for a time the world below.”

>A.H. Sayce, Lectures on the Origin and Growth of Religion as Illustrated by the Religion of the Ancient Babylonians, 5th ed., London, 1898, pp. 45-7

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:31:48 No.20262916 Report

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>>20262915
Eh?

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:36:26 No.20262917 Report

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>>20262915
>MASU THE HERO

>Yet another of these possible multiple meanings lies in the assertion by Sayce that Mashu or Masu, as found in Babylonian tablets, was the same word as Mosheh/Moses. Elsewhere, Sayce reiterates that, in Hebrew, Moses/Mosheh “is most easily explained by the Babylonian Masu, ‘hero.’”

>The Assyriologist further elucidates:

>"Masu, hero, an epithet of several deities, specially Adar, Merodach and the Sun-god; also “a scribe,” or “librarian,” and in astrology connected with Taurus."

>Thus, in Babylon “Masu” would be a title of Shamash, evidently associated with Moses. Speaking of the Assyrian solar warrior god, legislator and son of Bel, Adar or Atar, also known as Uras among other names, Sayce also comments:

>"In the inscriptions of Nineveh, the title of “hero-god” (masu) is applied to him with peculiar frequency; this was the characteristic upon which the Assyrian kings more particularly loved to dwell. In Babylonia, on the other hand, Adar was by no means so favourite a divinity. Here it was the milder and less warlike Merodach that took his place. The arts of peace, rather than those of war, found favour among the Semitic population of the southern kingdom."

>The British scholar notes that Merodach/Marduk is styled also by the Sumerian title “MAS-MAS” or maš-maš, pronounced “mash-mash” and denoting “conjurer,” “charmer,” “sorcerer,” “incantation priest” and “wonderworker.” This designation maš-maš or mašmašu was held by the gods El, Ninib, Nergal, Ningizzida and Dumuzi as well

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:43:28 No.20262918 Report

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I suppose it's just strange how often you have so much time at odd hours of the day, where you post pretty clearly prepared copy and pastes from books you find and have next to no cerebral back and forth with people besides when you make curious mistakes that someone who probably studies these subjects a lot more than me would almost certainly know about. Between that and you being obsessed with IE history despite being a monkey despite your culture being obsessed with white people, the whole theme of the threads feels highly questionable, just like you as an individual.
Again, what's the point of doing this so often when it's basically only me ever bumping your threads out of more or less desperate boredom with the current state of the site? When I bitched for so long about no one reading books, I didn't really intend for anyone to just spam advanced-tier research on subjects basically no one will want to read about in the first place, let alone through this medium.
You've never stated why you're doing this, why you hardly have any conversations and when you do, there's virtually always anomalous gaps in your knowledge or even why you always avatarpost.
Is someone paying you? Are you training an AI? What gives?

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:44:54 No.20262919 Report

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>>20262917
>MASH

>Reminiscent of Misheal or Mash-el, Clay asserts that the name of the Amorite deity “Mash” can be found in the “Mash-mannah” of 1 Chronicles 12:10 ( משמנה Mishmannah), in the Mish`am at 1 Chronicles 8:12 (1627( משעם and in the “gentilic name Mishraites” at 1 Chronicles 2:53 (.( משרעימ Referring to his book, Amurru, Clay also discusses the relationship between Mash and Shamash:

>"In Amurru it was conjectured that perhaps in the absence of any etymological explanation of Shamash, it may have been from Ša Mash “(the god) of Mash,” like the Arabic Dhu’l Sharâ etc., in other words that the mountain Mashu was his habitat…."

>"The consort of Mash was Mashtu. They are called the children of the god Sin… Mash is also a name of the god dNin-IB; the sign MASH is used interchangeably with Nin-IB…."

>"It was also contended in Amurru…that the deity Mash was carried by the Semites to Babylonia at a very early time. In the first three dynasties, Kesh, Erech and Ur, names compounded with the deity Mash or Mesh predominate. Especially at Erech in the early period do we find evidence of the worship of this deity. Some have translated this element as meaning “hero”…"

>Here Clay is identifying Mash with Sayce’s “hero” epithet, insisting it is a theonym and equating the deity Mash with not only Adar/Ninib but also Amurru: “The last two names of the Kish Dynasty, as well as three in the following two dynasties, are compounded with the name of Mesh (or Mash).”

>Clay also states that “Mash was a deity similar to the mountain or storm-deity Uru” and that “Mash, Mesh and Mish are also elements that figure prominently in the temple names of Nineveh, Cutha and Akkad.” He further surmises that the city of Damascus originally was named KiMash

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:50:26 No.20262920 Report

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>>20262919
>The Babylonian god Mashu is described by Charles Coulter and Patricia Turner as follows:

>"Moon god. Brother of Mashtu the goddess of the moon. Both are children of Nannar…."

>In consideration of the fact of much Babylonian influence on the Bible and Israelites, it is reasonable to suggest that Moses was a rehash in significant part of this deity

>LIBRARY OF ASHURBANIPAL

>At Nineveh in what is now Iraq, Assyrian king Ashurbanipal (fl. 669–631 BCE) collected a royal library of 20,000 or so tablets, including the popular Epic of Gilgamesh and the cosmological Enuma Elish. Most of these tablets and writing boards were inscribed in Akkadian, using cuneiform; others are written in Neo-Babylonian script and in Assyrian

>It is said that, despite its destruction centuries earlier, the enduringly famous Royal Library of Ashurbanipal inspired Alexander the Great to create his own. While the Greek commander died before doing so, his wish was begun by Ptolemy I (367–c. 283 BCE), called Soter or “Savior,” whose effort led to the establishment of the famous Library of Alexandria. As it is to the Alexandrian library that we may look for much of Christian theology, it is to the Ashurbanipal library, among others, that perhaps we may turn to find the origins of significant Old Testament mythology and tradition

>The city of Nineveh was “sacked by an unusual coalition of Medes, Persians, Babylonians, Scythians and Cimmerians in 612 BCE.” Ashurbanipal had made enemies in his aggressions to build his city and library, but one wonders who could have put together this “unusual coalition” and what was its purpose. It is possible that many of the texts, including more portable papyri and leather scrolls, were removed elsewhere, perhaps ending up in the city of Babylon, which itself was destroyed less than a century later (539 BCE) by the Persian king Cyrus, the “savior” and “christ” of the Jews (Is 45:1)

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:50:45 No.20262921 Report

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>>20262876
Jews have this silly concept of kosher pig (Hebrew word pig has its root in the Jewish word for return)

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:51:55 No.20262922 Report

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Write a book bro, I am not reading that much greentext.

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:54:05 No.20262923 Report

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>>20262873
>look anon, look at this pretty AI picture
>you will surely believe the retarded story now, right?
lmao the actual state of nu/pol/. unbelievable

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:58:59 No.20262924 Report

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>>20262920
>Before the Babylonian destruction, it may be that Jewish priests and scribes accessed one or more of the region’s libraries, which may have included texts from Ashurbanipal, such as those recounting the various tales of Adar, Marduk, Shamash, Mash, Mashu or others

>AMARNA

>The Babylonian tablet Sayce earlier refers to that came from Upper Egypt and mentions Adar as masu or massû was discovered in 1887 among the Amarna letters. In his report on the discovery of the Amarna documents, Rev. Dr. Angus Crawford remarks that it is “curious” that “we find the name ‘Moses’ on these tablets a century before the date of the Exodus. Masu or Moses is apparently identified with the sun god.”

>One of the main correspondents in the letters, Amenhotep III, had married a Mitanni princess, who brought her Indo-European and Semitic gods with her to Egypt. His son, Akhenaten, also married a Mitanni woman, syncretizing her god Baal, the winged sun disc, with Aten worship. It is possible that among these deities from the “Asiatics” was Mash, Adar, Marduk, Shamash or other sun god with the Masu epithet

>On one of the Amarna tablets, we read the initial prayer by a “Pu-Addi,” who addresses his deity as “the sun god who rises from the divine day.” Concerning this text, Sayce comments:

>"…In a despatch from Zinarpi to the Egyptian king the Pharaoh is called, as usual, “the Sun-god rising from the Divine Day”; and it is then added, in a parenthesis, “whose name is Masu [or Masi].” This proves not only that the term “Masu” was applied to the Sun-god, but was actually used of the Egyptian Pharaoh in the century before Moses was born."

>Fig. 107. Amarna tablet no. 6. (Sayce, 1888:10.500)

>At this point, Sayce comments:

>"Masi is letter for letter the same as the Hebrew ,משה “Moses”…"

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 01:59:02 No.20262925 Report

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>>20262873
>Indeed the boar’s habit of churning up the earth as it forages for food may ultimately be the historical inspiration for the invention of the plough, which allowed early societies to adopt a sedentary lifestyle

oh
fugg

it's

>(((brazil)))
anon again!

with his 99% sort of right history
that he posts without proof
expects u to believe
but when u point out any
>(((bullshit)))

he just keeps spamming!

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:05:41 No.20262926 Report

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>>20262924
>Elsewhere, Sayce explicates:

>"Now, the Assyrian equivalent of the Hebrew Mosheh, “Moses,” would be maŝu, and, as it happens, maŝu is a word which occurs not infrequently in the inscriptions. It was a word of Akkadian origin, but since the days of Sargon of Akkad had made itself so thoroughly at home in the language of the Semitic Babylonians as to count henceforth as a genuinely Semitic term."

>The Assyriologist also asserts that maŝu or “hero” has no connection with its homophone māšu or maashu, meaning “double” and serving as the name of the twin mountain, Masu/Mashu, in the Epic of Gilgamesh

>HERO OR TWIN?

>The Akkadian māšu or maashu is derived from the Sumerian maš, denoting not only “twin” but also “brother/sister,” “young man” and “man, husband, male, grown-up.” Māšu can also mean “child,” which ties it into the Egyptian ms, mes or mas

>Using the same initial cuneiform symbol as māšu or “twins,” a relevant

>Sumerian term is MAŠ.SU , in Akkadian massû, meaning “leader, expert.”

>The Akkadian massû may have been confounded with the Sumerian mes, meaning “hero; (to be) manly; young man.” Although etymologically these terms maŝu and māšu are said to be unrelated, it is possible that ancient priests and commoners alike interchanged them, whether by mistake or deliberately, as was the case with other relevant terms such as maš and muš, discussed below. The common mythical theme of the “hero twins” also may be reflected in any possible confounding of these various terms. As an example of this popular motif of twin heroes in connection with the sun, in Native American mythology the sun was “broken in two and became culture hero twins.”

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:08:18 No.20262927 Report

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>>20262881
>Venus was sex deity born from the sea foam.

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:09:34 No.20262928 Report

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>>20262926
>THE LEADER

>The epithet maŝu/massû meaning “leader” becomes even more germane to our analysis in that it was “said exclusively of gods and rulers…” In one pre-Sargonic Sumerian text using this term, we read the phrase lugal-mas-su or “the lord is leader.” The famous Mesopotamian king Urnamma or UrNammu (3rd millennium BCE) too was called mas-su ki-en-gi-ra or “leader of Sumer.” Another apparent leading citizen was styled Enlil-massu, which would mean “Enlil is leader.” In a Sumero-Babylonian text entitled “The Seven Evil Spirits,” the figure Enkidu is “exalted Massu of the gods.” Dumuzi/Tammuz is also called mas-si-e, which sounds like the masi of the Amarna text

>It is obvious that Assyriologists of the past were startled to see these “Moses” epithets of gods and kings, mashu, masu or massû, staring at them. Their enthusiastic conclusions linking Mashu/ Masu/Massu to Moses were ignored, however, as this mythological line of thought was swept back under the literalizing carpet by biblical scholars and theologians. This point of contention represents one of many with Assyriologists who, with an onslaught of eye-opening texts, suddenly found their faith and that of their colleagues to be challenged

>Nevertheless, the work of these Assyriologists in translating and disseminating the Utnapishtim flood myth as found in the Epic of Gilgamesh has led to the conclusion by many mainstream scholars that the biblical Noah account is dependent on the much older Mesopotamian version. Many discoveries since that time, including the Eblaite and Ugaritic texts, have led to further enlightenment as concerns biblical origins in pre-Israelite Near Eastern religion and mythology. It is time for the same type of scrutiny to be applied to the origin of the Moses and Exodus myth

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:10:29 No.20262929 Report

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>>20262918
he's doing it to trick people cuz he's a kike

see
>>20262925

DAM(owl)

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DAM(owl) Sat 11 May 2024 02:11:53 No.20262930 Report

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>this came first

ok, henry?

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:20:54 No.20262931 Report

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>>20262873

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:23:42 No.20262932 Report

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>>20262931
>hebrews are literally rebuked in the bible for worshipping a
>(((golden calf)))
>and later
>(((bronze bull)))
>by yhwh
>"ew goy baal and yhwh R DUH SAMEZ"

get a load of this canaanite

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:25:49 No.20262933 Report

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>>20262921
>Then, after the dynamic or motoric divine triad Sin, Shamash, Adad - Moon, Sun, Earth - appears the 'planetary fourfoldness' Marduk, Ninurta, Nebo, Nergal, which represents the four cardinal phases or cornerpoints of the cycle and of cyclic happening: Jupiter, Mars, Mercury, Saturn

>Each one of the four (planets) bears a solar character, however, in which Marduk reveals his power particularly in the morning and springtime Sun, Nabu (Nebo) in the evening and autumn-Sun, Ninurta in the noon and summer-Sun, Nergal in the low-sunken Sun in winter, like it has descended into the underworld at midnight also, to assert itself in the morning, like in the winter tropic, as the 'unconquered Sun"" (HAOG, p. 191)

>Remarkable is the interchanging of Nergal and Ninurta in some places. In the star lists and omina texts, as treated by Weidner, this interchange is to be found in several instances. For the rest this case is no more strange than the mixing up of the significances of the 'devil' and 'satan' in our modern diction: again representatives of Mars and Saturn repectively. Perhaps a good many Christians are even so totally unaware of any difference between the two, using the names the one for the other without any preference whatever. Kugler, in his Sternkunde und Sterndienst of 1907 states: it is undeniable truly, that the deities Nin-Ib (Ninurta) and Nergal are hardly distinguishable from one another in the religious texts. He adds: only it does not follow that the names of the planets, to which these deities were addicted participated in the interchange; it even appears impossible in the cases where the name of the planet expressed its being (SSB, p. 220). In the starlist V R. 46 (Weidner HBA, p. 55) we find a specimen of the same: Ninurta is called Summer-solstice and Saturn;

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:27:01 No.20262934 Report

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>>20262933
>Nergal identified with the winter-solstice and Mars. Still this must be under- stood as a mistake or misrepresentation, because astrologically it can be reasoned, that the midwinterpoint indicates the nature of Saturn as shrinking, condensation, cristallisation, concentration, lower meridian, death, etc. - and not that of Mars (energy pointed outward). This cannot be a mistake of Weidner himself, but must lie in the text, evidence of which gets confirmation from other places in the same list

>Jeremias cannot find a way out of the intricacies apparently, where he is trying to explain the cross of the four winds and seasons together with the names of the four planetary principles (HAOG, p. 185), stating about 'Nergal-Mars', and 'Ninib or Ninurta-Saturn'... "The principal direction South, as taken astronomically, becomes a cosmical direction North". (?) In what way we may try to interprete this, one thing is certain, e. that South never will be North and that only certain names placed at the corners may change. The difference between 'astronomically' and 'cosmically' moreover is rather arbitrary, but even if the idea was to distinguish the orientation on Earth from that in the heavens, then even North remains North and South remains South. His conclusion "we see in this scheme the explanation for the planets of North and South being able to change their roles, without the planets themselves doing so"... does not explain anything at all, as far as I see. Even when, like mentioned in a footnote, Jensen acknowledges the Saturn-significance of Ninurta and Thompson chooses to call Nergal also Mars, the matter does not become any the more clear. Neither does it when astrologers come to aid by stating that Mars is exalted in the saturnian sign Capricorn

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:27:51 No.20262935 Report

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You trannies realise that Saturn + all of his variants literally isn’t even ‘evil’ in any of the pre-abrahamic myths right?
He’s literally just the god of time and harvests.
You people are associating him with ‘Satan’ because of their names starting with the same letter.
With ‘Satan’ also just being an Iranic/Yazidi deity that Jews just chose to name drop in their Jew books.

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:27:53 No.20262936 Report

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>>20262934
>There is and there must be of course a cosmological, i. e. astrological, explanation, why these two functions are being mixed up so very often as to confuse the expressions in human consciousness called Mars and Saturn

>Jeremias does not get out of the riddle and one cannot get out, because two different cycles are mixed up: the year's cycle, having its lowest decline in the mid-winterpoint on our northern hemisphere the coldest point lying in the South, the northern culmination in midsummer being the warmest; on the contrary the day's cycle has its higher culmination together with the warmest moment of the day at noon in the South, and the lower culmination together with the coldest point at midnight in the North. If viewed in this way, we may come to understand why at one time Saturn is indentified with the North (midnight) and at another with the South (midwinter); and the reverse with Mars

>Still this does not explain anything about the interchange of the functions of Mars and Saturn: categorically they are perfectly different. Astrologically-cosmologically the two cycli are as much different; the day's cycle is that which is described by the Earth around its own axis and in which the planet is itself the centre; this bestows on this cycle a value of centrality, ie. of 'solar' or spiritual importance (potentiality); the year's cycle is that in the planet's orbit around the Sun, in which course the planet is acting 'circonferential' or 'lunar', ie, dependent as a servant on his master so this is a cycle of dependency (reality) in nature. In both cases, however, Mars indicates the higher culmination, Saturn the lower. They are the two poles of one happening - but not likes. The day's cycle culminating at noon is still celebrated by the muessin in his chant of praise to the Lord but "Arhans (adepts) are born at midnight hour" says the Voice of the Silence (p. 39), this wonderful fragment from the (oriental) Book of the Golden Precepts

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:29:24 No.20262937 Report

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>>20262936
>The cycle of the year had its four sidereal festivals at the four quarters, of which in our days only Christmas and Easter survive, and among Freemasons the third point is still commemorated: St. John's festival, reminding of the fact which has been described so beautifully in the legend of Tammuz-Adonis, who after enjoying and sharing the most perfect happiness in outer life with his beloved (Ishtar), was killed by the Boar (Cancer)

>The first cycle contains the rythm of the individuality; the second one that of the (outer) personality in the (outer) world both have their 'ups and downs'

>The same interchanging of the Mars- and Saturn-principles is stated by Kugler in his Ist book on the Sternkunde und Sterndienst in Babel: "It is certainly undeniable, that the deities NIN-IB and Nergal in the religious texts are hardly to be distinguished from one-another. Still it doesn't follow from this, that the names of the planets to which these gods were addicted, underwent the same change; this even appears impossible, where the names of the planets expressed their nature" (SSB, p. 220)

>Jastrow relates, that Nergal next to Ninib-Ninurta is the protector of hunting, sports and war. Between him and Ninib there is hardly any difference. Like the latter he is the perfect ruler of battle who, together with Ashur, precedes the monarch. He is imagined bearing mighty weapons, which he has bestowed on the king (RBA, p. 229). Further more Weidner states the fact in his treatise on Astronomy

>Jastrow emphatically points out the very striking difference between Nergal-Saturn and Ea, god of the waters. The full form of the name appears to have been Ner-unu-gal. The three components of this name mean 'the mighty one of the great habitation' (RBA, p. 64)

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:30:15 No.20262938 Report

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>>20262937
>From the latter quotation one should conclude: this confirms remarkably well the description given by classic astrologers of Saturn as the 'planet of the cristalline sphere', which was supposed to denote the limitation of our solar system proper a supposition which is not invalidated by the finds of modern astronomy, because the latter teach a fundamental difference between the planets of the system up to Saturn and the other ones outside, whose satellites have shewn a reverse motion, a probable sequence of a reverse axial motion of the planets themselves (Uranus and Neptune; of Pluto no satellite is known as yet). In Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine, this sphere of Saturn is indicated as 'the ring pass not' (I, p. 63, 154, 155)

>In Babylonian teachings Saturn has been called 'the star of Shamash'. If as we pleaded before - there is a certain explanation acceptable for an interchange or assimilation of Ishtar with the abstract elements (atmosphere) of the Earth and Ishtar is to become on the other hand a name for the species 'star', the said formula "Nergal is the star of Shamash" might mean: the material incarnation, bodily vehicle, or something of the kind. Then again we come on the topic of angel-demon, or god-satan. Which however is too far reaching to be worked out at present

>The 'great habitation' clearly denotes the dominion on or over which Nergal rules. He is further called the god of the kingdom of death, an other expression for the underworld. What we call the kingdom of death is a relativity: sometimes it is imagined below this world where the dead go to, descending as in a sort of pit (Hades) compare Dante's Hell - another time we may just mean this physical world itself in which our so-called life is carried on, but which stands in flagrant opposition to that other world of dreams, which is judged to be so much more alive than this 'life' down here; at least by a good many mystics and theosophists

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:31:12 No.20262939 Report

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>>20262938
>Anyhow Saturn is the phase of consciousness of the deepest immersion of the spirit in matter, symbolised by the lower culmination of the Sun in its apparent year's cycle around the Earth. Thus Saturn came to be called lord of the physical body' - immersed spirit, etc. etc. This, of course, is modern astrology, by no means Babylonian history

>Jastrow shews Nergal, surrounded by a host of lower demons, as the babylonian Pluto this appears to make things still more intricate. In my book EEA Pluto is supposed to be related to Mars and the zodiacal sign Aries, but surely analogous with Osiris as 'lord of the underworld', judge of the death; and I have tried to prove that his standpoint must be seen as the top of the physical world, essence of this physical and bodily existence, just like the proton has to be considered as the essence and being of the physical atom. Saturn, on the contrary, is he lord of the ready formation or bodily existence, which has sprung forth from the essence. He is, after the doctrine of old as well as according to modern astrology the Former and Reaper; Pluto is the 'Initiator'. A certain analogy exists between the polarities Pluto(Mars)-Saturn, like between Sun-Moon

>The activities of Nergal-Saturn, adds Jastrow, are not limited to the rulership over death, but are found also in the embodiment of several evils, which bring death to mankind. Chiefly sickness and war. Therefore one of the most habitual ideograms for his name is that which means 'sword'. Let this again not lead to an erroneous conclusion as if Nergal would still be Mars. It is well known that throughout the ages the symbol used for Saturn has been the scythe or the sickle and the sword is a thing that has always been closely related with them

>Different from Ninib (Ninurta), who was a war god as well, Nergal symbolises in particular the destruction that goes together with war, not the vehement warrior who is near his subjects in battle

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:32:08 No.20262940 Report

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>>20262939
>Nergal is essentially the destroyer

>The latter is in accord with the astrological tradition, ancient and modern: Saturn breaks and breaks up, if he does not build or build up

>Jastrow continues: He is eventually a 'god of fire', a 'raging king', the violent one 'who burns up' and finally he is identical with the scorching heat of the flame (RBA, p. 65)

>The latter is confirmed by present day Physics, which teaches: condensation sets heat free. Condensation is the saturnian principle. As such Saturn is lord of the fire'. As the glowing flame Nergal apparently is a phenomenon of the Sun. The Babylonians have distinguished between the successive activities and phases of the Sun; Nergal is also named as that of the blazing Sun of Midsummer and noon, the chief characteristic as such being its destructive force with regard to the local climate. This is easy to grasp. Even so if Nergal is called above all "therefore lord ot death". - Anyhow Nergal only represents a form of appearance of the solar deity. The god who is worpshipped as embodied in the Sun par excellence, as that Sun itself, was Shamash (RBA, p. 66). The difference is clear

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:33:07 No.20262941 Report

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>>20262940
>Ninurta-Mars is the hero among the gods (formerly the name was read Ninib) and in Nippur was considered to be the son of Enlil

>"In one prayer he was praised as 'the first among the gods', as hero and Saviour, who succoured the weak who took the body from the underworld..." - certainly a strong expression for healing of the sick etc. etc. (HAOG, p. 377)

>'Saviour' reminds of Christ, who said "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword" (St. Matthew X 34, ed. 1841)

>It is curious to see how well this expression agrees with those of a sumerian prayer, which may be dated perhaps 3000 years earlier. Without pretending to explain everything, I should like to state the conformity with the original definition as the 'star of Shamash. It could even be said to explain a good deal of it

>'Hero' of course helds an allusion to the principle of energy, consequently to the struggle (for existence) resulting from it. For an eastern view on the necessity of the struggle for existence I beg to point to the Bhagawad Gita (first and second discourse) where this appears to belong to the teachings of Shri Krishna and to make out an important part of them

>In a series of texts, bearing an epic character, treating of Ninurta and praising him as the hero among the gods, there is this expression: like Anu thou art formed. As Heros the saga of mysterious birth is addicted to him: he is the son of an unknown father, he had no foster-mother and disdained the milk'. Animals, plants, stones were ruled by him in their conditions of existence. In one of the texts the plants elect the merciful Ninurta from a mountain spreading the seed, as their king (HAOG, p. 337)

>Is there an analogy between Ninurta as the animal-king ruling the world of plants and minerals, and man ruling the animal, plant and mineral kingdoms, all three a together? (Genesis, 1, 28, 29)

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:33:58 No.20262942 Report

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>>20262941
>We have seen that the wife of Ninurta is called Gula, 'who renders life to the dead by touching them with her pure hand' - Gula being another name for Venus- Ishtar. We find further that his emblem is the double lion (HAOG, p. 378): during the whole of christian Middle-Ages the two lions a red one and a white one were the symbols of passion, the crude or carnal and the refined or sublimated

>As reported by Weidner (from starlist K. 250) Mars is also called the 'fox-star', 'star of brigands''), the 'wine-red' or the 'dark-red' one, the 'rebellious', the 'hostile', the 'incalculable one'; (HBA, p. 11) while Saturn is called 'black', Mars is the 'wine-red star' and connected with Tammuz and the boar, the midsuumer-myth relating to the Ninurta-phase in the epic of the year

>In another place Weidner has (starlist II Rawl. 49) that Nebo-Mercury could be indicated as the 'star of the spotted fox'. It is difficult to make out whether here is an interchanging of Ninurta-Mars with Nebo-Mercury and if so what the meaning may be. Apparently there exists a certain relationship between both to have been intended in babylonian mythology, which we find conformed (starlist Br. M. 86378) where Mercury is identified with Mash. "The god Mash is a form of appearance of Ninib, which in different places suggests the assimilation Ninib-Mercury..." True this is followed by: "The principal god, revealed in the planet Mercury, is Nebo, god of the West - or autumnal point...", but again: "Both these gods, Nebo and Mash, are similar in their astral characters..."; once more:... "Mercury whose name is Ninib..." (HBA, p. 42). May we venture an explanation along this line: in starlist II Rawl. 49 Mercury is also called the 'linking star', the star which lies a relation or binds. Weidner annotes: "where the linking star is to be searched in the heavens remains uncertain

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:35:49 No.20262943 Report

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>>20262942
>Mercury is also called the 'linking star', the star which lies a relation or binds. Weidner annotes: "where the linking star is to be searched in the heavens remains uncertain. Perhaps it is identical with ikamů, the 'bound god' (HBA. p. 35)?" after which I should like to put it this way: if Mercury actually has to be considered as the star (or principle) attaching bonds, forming links, which indeed is the existing doctrine in astrology, then the binding of one's self to an object by desire is also to be acknow- ledged as a problem in ethics, religion and mysticism, that cannot have been very unfamiliar to the moralising Babylonians: then though the 'binder' is not identical with the 'bound one', he stands in relation to him, as one pole to the other. Mars and Mercury are polar opposities in a way, like Saturn and Jupiter: in pairs they are called 'twin planets' (starlist V R. 46) (HBA, p. 54)

>Mentioned by Jastrow we find the names Nin-gir-su (RBA, p. 86), Nin-shakh or Nin-shubur for this 'well-know god of war'; shakh meaning wild boar, this is the adds Jastrow like sometimes Nergal is symbolised by the lion (?) the animal could be symbolising the grimly destructive nature of the godhead (RBA, p. 87)

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:36:53 No.20262944 Report

Quoted By: >>20262946

>>20262943
>Ungnad mentions the expression: Ninurta launched the cyclone. He also speaks of 'Ninurta's net', says that he goes to war and brings the name 'old sumerian war-god'. The principal figure of the assyrian pantheon, Ashur, is said to combat Tiamat the spirit of chaos with his monsters, and in battle he is 'armed with the cyclone' (RBAU, p. 11-13). This makes Ashur more or less identical with Ninurta-Mars. One would conclude the same from the assyrian people's very warlike nature

>Ashur may have been originally, as is supposed, a local deity in the city of that name, still he appears also as the solar god and is held in high esteem by Sargon II, when the assyrian kingdom reaches a summit of power: he is named by that king 'ruler of all the gods', 'father of the gods', 'great rock' and so on. It is Ashur who grants crowns and scepters, the kings of Assyria are only his patesis, his stadholders (Jastrow, RBA, p. 214). He apparently bears even a character of Sun-Saturn combined. Given the mentality of babylonian mythology, where the four planets all four bear solar dignity and character, it is of course always possible to worship and put one of the four in the foreground as the special representation of the solar god

>All acts of war are carried on in the name of Ashur -... Victory belongs in the first place to Ashur in his service are the kings... (RBA, p. 212). Now we can wonder perhaps how and why it is said that Ishtar as well commands in battlefig and favours the warrior but this is finally no more strange than stating that this power, which conveys ordening and welfare in general, does the same to warriors as to other people. And when man feels himself above all a 'warrior' he praises Ishtar on account of favouring war, his special occupation: it means tactics; and a strategically well conducted army in battle has more success than one without the favour of 'order', tactics, strategy

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:38:08 No.20262945 Report

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>>20262935
wow

incredible

i just..i never knew!

well then

i'm TOTALLY gonna abandon Christianity from this one single kangaroo kike post

>*starts walking toward (((atheist))) exit
>*stops*
>*turns around*
but, u know...

there's just... ugh

there's just this one thing about ur post that bothers me................................................................................................................................................

let's....

SEE SOME FUCKING PROOF

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:38:09 No.20262946 Report

Quoted By: >>20262948

>>20262944
>Great tacticians like Wallenstein, Nelson, Napoleon, Foch underwent all of them much the influence of the zodiacal sign Libra, of venusian and ordening quality

>Jastrow says apart from the habitual babylonian pantheon in Assyria stands only Ashur (RBA, p. 202), still his position looks very much martial in character. Owing to the strong light under which he is placed, his significance grows apparently. Ashur is symbolised by a pennant, which can be carried from one place to another, planted in the midst of the turmoil of war in order to assure to the army the pre- sence of the god; the other gods in Assyria are represented by columns. The standard or pennant consisted of a disc flanked by two wings; the disc surmounted by the torso of a warrior shooting a shaft (RBA, p. 206)

>This symbol for Ashur is wellknown and reminds of the Egyptian 'winged globe', symbol for a very high spiritual power, a power of the highest sublimation and devoted above all the powers of heaven and earth, and evidently much more 'heavenly' than the other gods who were depicted as columns of (a very) earthy material. This leaves apart the power of Ishtar, who rules at his side or next to him. The two principal residences of the assyrian kingdom bore the names of the two gods: Ashur and Nineveh

>The winged disc is so common as a symbol of the Sun in religious systems of different peoples of old, that it is hard to escape from the conviction, that it is the same in this case (RBA, p. 206). He denies, however, that the said figure means Ashur and says, that it symbolises the Sun. I cannot accept this as a pertinent denial, con- sidering the generally accepted fact of the 'solar character' of all four - Ashur in Assyria as well as Marduk in Babylon

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:39:01 No.20262947 Report

Quoted By: >>20262950

hey everyone coming to this thread

simply notice how this
>(((brazil)))
anon post and posts and posts

but
NEVER
ONCE
provides a source, or proof

keep that in mind
>every
>single
>time

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:44:42 No.20262948 Report

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>>20262946
>As to the name there appears to exist little certainty; Jastrow judges it probable that Ashur is a by-name of Ashir, about in the sence of 'overseer' or 'researcher', just like Marduk is named Ashir-ilani, 'overseer of the gods (RBA, p. 207)

>For Ninib-Ninurta we find also the name Lugal-Banda, which means 'strong king'. Nevertheless - this interchange again - this name has also been used for Nergal RBA, I p. 89, 172, 229)

>Eusebius De Laudibus Constantini 13.5 "The Phœnicians deified Melcatharus, Usorus, and others - mere mortals, and with little claim to honor; the Arabians, Dusaris {=Dionysus/Bacchus} and Obodas..."

>Phoenicians 'Melkatharos and Usoros' are taken to be deified, historical men. (Obodas was a King of the Nabataeans 96-85 BC worshipped as a deity.) However, we know Melqart (=Melkarth/Melicarthus) was tutelary god of Tyre. Perhaps 'Melkatharos' (Eusebius' euhemerism) was a ruler deified in death, like Melchizedek. Baumgarten [1981] p.161 n.116 notes a problematic presumption here: Usorus = Ousous??? It should be clear Usoros = Osiris (= Adon, at Byblos), but Eusebius knew very well who Osiris was! The presumption/error is: Melqart and 'Osiris' (=Adon) were men of Tyre who became divinized. Because Eusebius (Praeparatio evangelica 1.10.37, reporting Porphyry-reporting Philo of Byblos-Sanchuniathon) identifies the two divinized brothers of Tyre, Hypsouranois (Baal-Sammin) and Oussoos

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:45:47 No.20262949 Report

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>>20262948
>hey
>everyone coming to this thread
>simply notice
>how this
>>(((brazil)))
>anon post and posts and posts
>but
>NEVER
>ONCE
>provides a source, or proof
>keep that in mind
>>every
>>single
>>time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:45:54 No.20262950 Report

Quoted By: >>20262951

>>20262947
In the past he's posted which authors/books he has been reading and pasting paragraphs from such as Ralph Ellis, Andrew Collins, & Jason Jorjani

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:46:27 No.20262951 Report

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>>20262950
>In the past
*yawn*

prove it

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:48:08 No.20262952 Report

Quoted By: >>20262953 >>20262955

>>20262948
>Ushu (=Palaetyros; Uzu, Usa, etc.) was a principality beside Tyre. King Usous was an euhemerized god with Thoth-like characteristics, and (like Seth) he erected stele monuments; the wood-product/commodity/tithe was known as 'Ushu' in Egypt. According to the myth, there were two primeval brothers – Shamenrum/Baal Shammin and Usoos (??) – living on the seashore who separated after a fight. Usoos took a tree trunk and was the first to sail upon the sea. He landed on an island and consecrated two columns there, one to Fire and the other to Wind, thus founding Tyre (called Ushu in Egypt). In Egypt, Ushu-wood is Lebanese cedar. Ushu was probably a first a wood-god, a forest deity (recalling Adon/Eshmun: the Young God), then a trade-symbol and complex deity. Palaetyros is the fortified city of Tyre (Joshua 19:29: the Usu'a of Tyre): the Melqart of Tyre was 'Herakles' represented by twin pillars (Herodotus, 2.44). From Tyre came the cult of Resheph-Melqart (~Seth); Qadeš was perhaps the Young God as a warrior. Herakles-Palaemon was both the Wrestler-Grappler, the younger brother, and the Child Sea-God: a possible Phoenician origin of the Young God at Pelusion, 'Horus of Kasios'

>Was Ishai/Usho Ishaa or Ioshaa, Ushu-Aa (~Jesus?), as Willis Brewer would have it? I have no idea. But Shu was an Egyptian Wind god, associated w/ Yahweh in the Sinai, and the exceeding close connection to Phoenician Tyre is well-established for a thousand years before Christ. By this I mean 'Usous' (Greek) is Ushu, which may go back to Hittite words like ishiul 'contract' ishiya 'binding/clothing', etc. There is a concept of 'Contract' or Tithing under words associated w/ Ushu. Eshmun is also relevant. Again, Brewer supposed 'Jesse' or Ishai may be Esh-i or 'Fires', great fear of the forest-people; this is dubious speculation I think

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:49:20 No.20262953 Report

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>>20262952
so

sources.. ?

or?

oh

u just want people to believe whatever crap u post like it's the truth

huh...

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:51:05 No.20262954 Report

Quoted By: >>20262957

>>20262951
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/436985394/#q436988426
>inb4 cope and deflection

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:51:52 No.20262955 Report

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>>20262952
>But since we have no good information about this Phoenician god, 'Ousoos' (a Sailor-god of wooden boats? record-keeper of merchant traders?), the mystery endures

>B) ... Dusaris = Dusares, Dushārā. In Roman Syria, the hellenized population addressed the Nabatean god Dusares as 'Dionysus'. c.215 BC, Ptolemy IV. Philopator supposedly tried to force (some) Egyptian Jews to worship Dionysus (3 Maccabbees 2:29), the Young God

>Ushu (=Palaetyros; Uzu, Usa, etc.) was Old Tyre, the mainland settlement from distant pre-history which was the export site for the forest production of wood (known therefore as 'Uzu' in Egypt)

>See Cheyne's Encyclopædia Biblica: Q to Z [1903], pp.4894-5:

>Originally and properly Du'uzu or Dumuzu, is the spirit or god of the spring vegetation; also, by a natural sequence, he is the Lord, and his sister Bilili (see BELIAL, §2) is the lady, of the underworld, the region of growth, though also the place of the dead.” But it was not possible to keep this conception in its purity; it was natural to identify the vegetation spirit with the sun, and to treat Du'uzu as a manifestation of the solar deity (Ninib). For the drama of the sun is similar to that of plant-life; after the summer solstice the sun seems gradually to lose its strength, and at length to die, till at the winter solstice it is born again. Originally too, the Du'uzu story was distinct from the Adonis and the Osiris stories; but at an early date the distinction was forgotten (ADONIS, §2). The identity of Tammuz and Adonis is asserted by Jerome and other Fathers (see ASHTORETH, §2, with n.3)

>According to Robertson Smith the wailing for Tammuz was not originally connected with the death of vegetation, but was a ceremony of mourning for some sacrificial victim. [...]

Red Dragon

Red Dragon Sat 11 May 2024 02:52:30 No.20262956 Report

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Salem

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:53:08 No.20262957 Report

Quoted By: >>20262959

>>20262954
>he posts sources
>but not this thread

wow

it's like ur shilling 4 him

or u are him.. ?

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:53:56 No.20262958 Report

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>>20262955
>Later, a different explanation was sought for the wailing — one more in harmony with advancing civilisation — and the rite was projected into the myth of the death of Tammuz. Robertson Smith also thinks that the yearly mourning for Tammuz-Adonis is the closest parallel in form to the humiliation of the Hebrew Day of Atonement (Rel. Sem.(2), 411, cp 414)

>To this view G.A. Barton (Sem, Or. 11) assents. The story of Adapa, however (KB61, p.97; cp Jastrow, Rel. Bab. Ass. 549), discloses an earlier form of the Tammuz-myth according to which Tammuz did not go into the death-world on leaving the earth, but ascended to the gate of Anu, where he was stationed ('as door-keeper ') with another solar god or vegetation god called Gišzrida. According to Jensen (TL2, 1896, col. 70) another ancient belief made Tammuz, the god of vernal vegetation, the son of Abzu (the primæval ocean). Certainly Gudea' (about 3000 BC) mentions Tamūzi-abzu (zuaba), i.l., Tammūz of the ocean, beside Ningišzida (identical with Gešzida, mentioned above); compare, however, Jastrow (KBA 96), who deprecates fusing the two Tammuz deities, and Barton (Sem. Or. 211/.), who makes this deity a goddess

>We now turn to the single express reference to Tammuz in the MT. It occurs in the description of heathen rites practised in the temple, which Ezekiel in his captivity professes to have seen when in the ecstatic state. these rites — according to Toy's explanation of chap.8 comes (perhaps) an Asherah-image (7.5). Next, the secret worship of reptiles and beasts, probably forms of old - Israelitish worship (v.10). Next, the women weeping for Tammuz (7.14). Next, twenty-five men worshipping the sun in the east (v.16). The last form of heathenism (as most explain v.17) is not recognised as such by Toy, but we have to mention it here for completeness ; it is 'stretching out the branch to the nose'

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:56:06 No.20262959 Report

Quoted By: >>20262962

>>20262957
>i say he posted sources in the past
>"prove it"
>i post proof
>"well he didn't post it in THIS thread, shill!"
The cope and deflection arrived right on time, just as I predicted

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:58:08 No.20262960 Report

Quoted By: >>20262961 >>20262965 >>20262966

>>20262958
>According to Toy, the sun-worship of the Jews was probably borrowed from Assyria, so that Tammuz-worship and sun-worship would naturally be mentioned together

>The connection of Tammuz with the Branch is suggestive but indefinite

>8:17. "branch to the nose." There is an Akkadian expression (laban appi) that refers to a gesture of humility used to come contritely before deity with a petition. When this act is portrayed in art, the worshiper has his hand positioned in front of his nose and mouth, and is sometimes shown with a short cylindrical object in his hand. From the Sumerian tale called Gilgamesh in the Land of the Living there is some evidence that what is held is a small branch cut off a living tree. This would suggest that in Ezekiel the people are putting on a show of humility. It must be admitted, however, that these connections are very hazy and the significance may lie somewhere else entirely

>Matthews, V. H., Chavalas, M. W., & Walton, J. H. 2000. The IVP Bible background commentary: Old Testament (electronic ed.) InterVarsity Press: Downers Grove, IL

>More to the point, where we will begin to see 'Ousoos' as a 'Child-God Protecting Sailors', see Albert I. Baumgarten, The Phoenician History of Philo of Byblos: A Commentary [1981], p.161:

>Ousoos is also now identified as a section of Tyre, called Uzu in Egyptian and Babylonian documents. Uzu is the section the Greeks called Palaityros or Old Tyre, the mainland coast facing the island city. Once again, if place names are feminine in Phoenician, Philo's statement of the feminine origin of the names will be confirmed; and perhaps Philo's male Samemroumos and Ousoos are the Baals of places bearing those names (in Sidon and Tyre respectively, one would assume)

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 02:59:29 No.20262961 Report

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>>20262960
oh dang

well according to the box of cereal i ate from this morning

if u can't produce shit for a source or any kind of other proof

ur probably making things up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 03:01:41 No.20262962 Report

Quoted By: >>20262963

>>20262959
>because he posted proof in the past
>(((supposedly)))
>that means he never has to post proof again

awwww... u tried so hard 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 03:05:02 No.20262963 Report

Quoted By: >>20262964 >>20262966

>>20262962
If you're purposely acting like a fool to drive people toward his message you're doing a great job

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 03:06:04 No.20262964 Report

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>>20262963
>If you're purposely acting like a fool
>asking for proof when someone makes a statement
>means ur a fool

jews everyone

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 03:08:34 No.20262965 Report

Quoted By: >>20262967 >>20263249

>>20262960
>If Oussuz/Usus/etc. was a deity of Tyre (as stated), then a variant of the Byblos Adon myth becomes obvious: the vegetative god Du'uzu/Dumuzu/Dumuzi/Dumu-zi/Dumuzid is Tammuz (زو ُّمَت תַּמּוּז), the beautiful shepherd slain on the mountain by the wild boar. Jews recorded this god in Ezekiel 8:14. But is Du'uzu also a god whose name means "the Son who Rises", the Corn-god and Pomegranate-god? Then moreover 'Oussoos' definitely corresponds to the Young God of Pelusion — 'Horus of Kasios' who holds the pomegranate. In the Egyptian Delta among Phoenicians, that god was still worshipped as Eshmun c.550 BC. An older syncretized form among coastal trading communities may be Baal Malage (Lord of Sailors), however that translated; the priest of Ieoud wouldn't call it 'Baal-' in any case

>Eusebius found this cryptic god 'Ousoos' in Porphyry (c.280 AD) transcribing Philo of Byblos (c.125 BC) using recorded myth 400-150 BC, although 500 years later and hundreds of miles south the same god might have had a very different name. Are there other hints? The Star of Venus connects connects Du'uzu-Adon and Dushara

>P.A.L. Chapman-Rietschi, "Venus as the Star of Bethlehem" in The quarterly journal of the Royal Astronomical Society (1996) 37, pp.843-844:

>The hypothesis of Venus as the star of Bethlehem was later favoured by Sir James G. Frazer (1906) and J. Noiville (1928). Frazer's assertion is based on two pieces of evidence: (1) a statement of Jerome, the erudite Christian Latin writer, who became secretary of Pope Damasus (366-384); and (2) a report referring to a bright star at the time of the festival of Adonis in Antioch. [...] Frazer thinks that it may have already existed in Bethlehem at the time of the appearance of the star of the Magi, especially when we recall that Adonis is analogous to Tammuz, the god who died each winter and was reborn each spring. Relevant, too, is the fact that Tammuz was called DU-MUZI by the Sumerians

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 03:08:57 No.20262966 Report

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also

looks like
>(((brazil))) anon
>>20262960

and
>(((clark kent)))
>>20262963
over here

are never seen posting at the same time

how curious

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 03:09:35 No.20262967 Report

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>>20262965
>Astrally, DU-MUZI was brought into connection with Aries and the Moon (Papke 1989). Venus - that is, Inana of the Sumerians, Ishtar of the Babylonians, and Aphrodite of the Greeks - figured, too. Planet-wise, Venus was sacred to Astarte, the divine mistress of Adonis. Furthermore, Astarte was thought to be a meteor, which prompted Frazer to conclude that the appearance of Venus as Morning Star might have been the signal for the Adonis festival at Antioch. Although Cumont (1932) thinks the event was signalled by Sirius, the citing of a meteor by Frazer is significant in regard to Jesus' birth. A meteor not only flashes up and trails in the night sky, but is also the kind of new star that the Magi saw in the east (Origen, Contra Celsum 1:58; Chapman-Rietschi 1995)

>Turning now to Noiville. In a little-known paper, Noiville (1928) asserts that the Morning Star was the 'star of Bethlehem', and that it characterized Dushara (Greek Dusares), the Nabataean god, who was revered in the form of a quadrangular, aniconic black stone. The main seat of Dushara's cult was in Petra (Greek 'rock'), about 80 km south of the Dead Sea. The cult focused on Chaamu - that is, Kore, or virgin, and her child Dushara, "only son of the Lord", according to Epiphanius (Panarion II, Anacephalaeosis IV: 51 (respectively 31), 22, u). Although the birth of Dushara was celebrated on December 25 (Ihm 1905), Epiphanius relates the births of Dushara and Jesus of Nazareth to the festival of Kore at Alexandria, which took place on the eve of the 11th of the Egyptian month Tybi (January 6 Julian). The same date also commemorates the star of the Magi, the baptism of Jesus, and the act of transforming water into wine."

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 03:09:44 No.20262968 Report

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>>20262873
You are a disinformation shill. You post here often.

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 03:10:38 No.20262969 Report

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>>20262968
simple
as

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Anonymous Sat 11 May 2024 03:11:36 No.20262970 Report

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>>20262967
>Josephus tells us of the Sethians in the Syriad (Sethrum), an area which venerated Hellenistic Horus Kasios - Greek and Semitic - in 200 BC and Eshmun (Phoenician) 550 BC. The Gnostic 'Yesseus, Sacrifice of the Righteous Jessaean' (a founder/angel in a Judeo-Egyptian baptist cult c.150 BC?) relates directly to key sacraments of Dushara and Du'uzu-Adon. Are there other sources for the deities in the (Judaic) pantheon of these mysterious heretics, the Jessaeans?

>Zeus Kasios/Jupiter Cassius neatly corresponds to the Jews' '(Baal-) Rimmon'. Was Rimmon the Young God w/ Baal's Pomegranate? This version of Horus-Kasios/'Apollon' (Young God) of Pelusium was discovered at Gaza in 2013, in the sea

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>Adonis was equated with Tammuz by Clement of Alexandria, Origen and Jerome. Origen said Tammuz (Dumuzi) was his real name and that Adonis was his title, “Lord”, just like the Biblical “Adonai”, meaning "Lord", or Adoni-Zedek, king of Jerusalem

>He is portrayed like a shepherd by Virgil in the first century B.C., similar to Dumuzi, and a fourth century commentary adds that this was because Adonis was “formerly a shepherd.” Dumuzi is referred in myth as “the Shepherd,” just as Jesus is the “Good Shepherd”. The Sumerian king list refers to one Dumuzi as “the Shepherd” and another as “the Fisherman,” a symbol also used for Jesus’ disciples, who are described as fishermen who were then called by Jesus to become “fishers of men”

>Jerome claims that the birth shrine of Jesus in Bethlehem was rededicated to Tammuz-Adonis, but the shrine more likely originated with Tammuz-Adonis since the word Bethlehem means “House of Bread” or “House of Lahmu.” Lahmu is the serpentine gatekeeper of Dumuzi’s father Enki, a role that was typically given to an earlier manifestation of the god himself, just as Dumuzi and Gizzida appear to have some links to ancient serpent gods from the prehsitoric Ubaid era. A 13,000-year-old stone figurine of two lovers embracing, similar to those of Dumuzi and Inanna, was discovered in the Ain Sakhri caves near Bethlehem

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>Babylon worshipped the patron deities Ishtar and Tammuz. Ishtar, depending on the period, was also known as Inanna or Sarpanit, but was associated with the planet Venus broadly speaking. Her symbol was an eight-pointed star called the star of Ishtar, and would later become known to monotheists as the Whore of Babylon. Her consort was Tammuz, also known as Marduk, Bel, or Dumuzid, who represented the the planet Jupiter. Religious rituals surrounding these two deities involved sexual rites known as sacred prostitution, or sex magic. These rituals were performed as reenactments of Ishtar's mythologised origin stories

>In one of these myths a dying god archetype called Thammuz is resurrected by Ishtar through baptism, making her an earth mother archetype:

>“In Babylonian legend, the goddess Istar descends to Hades to fetch the water of life with which to restore to life the dead Thammuz, and it appears that the water was thrown over him at a great mourning ceremony, at which men and women stood round the funeral pyre of Thammuz lamenting.” —The Golden Bough, James G. Frazer vol I, p287. 2

>The Babylonians also held an annual festival called Sacaea, which went for five days and ended with a resurrection ritual where a human sacrifice taking on the role of the king, who had come to represent a dying god, was whipped and then crucified

>“According to the historian Berosus, who as a Babylonian priest spoke with ample knowledge, there was annually celebrated in Babylon a festival called the Sacaea. . .During these five days masters and servants changed places, the servants giving orders and the masters obeying them. A prisoner condemned to death was dressed in the king’s robes, seated on the king’s throne, allowed to issue whatever commands he pleased, to eat, drink, and enjoy himself, and to lie with the king’s concubines

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>But at the end of the five days he was stripped of his royal robes, scourged, and crucified." —The Golden Bough, James G. Frazer, vol I, p226

>Another annual Babylonian festival, which went for twelves days in December, was called Zagmuk. It involved sacred prostitution rites using priestesses from the Temple of Venus in Babylon representing Ishtar, who would have ritualistic sex with the king, representing the dying god Tammuz, who would then be killed afterwards. Though they would come to use a substitution sacrifice in the place of the king to circumvent having to ordain a new leader annually

>So we have three religious traditions happening in Babylon and closely associated with Ishtar around 2 BC:

>A ritual reenactment of a resurrection through baptism
>A ritual of death and resurrection using a human sacrifice who is whipped and then crucified
>A ritual of sacred prostitution performed during a twelve day festival held annually in December

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