>>1988875>another post where /n/ pretends that horse and buggies didn't exist and didn't monopolize the streetsSeems like pedestrians monopolized the streets prior to automobiles, picrel
On the actual subject of horse carts, they moved slowly, much slower than early cars, and horses can generally be trusted not to run over pedestrians unlike the typical dr*ver. Pre-car city streets were not "modern streets but with horse carts" like Anno 1800 would have you believe.
Another example, from LA
https://youtu.be/I9K8YjLG-4Y?feature=sharedPedestrians are standing in the street, crossing it whenever they like, horse carts aren't zooming by at 30mph.
>this whole Strongtowns diatribe instead of an actual refutationSo you can't refute that a large portion of our property taxes and income taxes go to road construction and maintenance, regardless of how much we actually use them. I accept your concession.
>>1988906>If my car isn’t welcome I won’t visit your city. I’ll go somewhere else that’s happy to accommodate my preferencesGood, fuck off.
>>1988936See above. Roads were shared space before motorists pushed every other mode out with the literal threat of murder. Cars were and always have been a rich man's toy. Unlike actual modern conveniences like washing machines, which don't impact other people when you use yours, every additional car on the road makes driving worse for each driver. The physical space required for them makes them a non-starter for widespread use in urban areas. Period. Nobody cares if you drive out in your mcmansion suburb 20 miles away from the city, but your car is not welcome in the city proper.
