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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 17:54:34 No.1975073 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1975275 >>1976382 >>1978852 >>1979405 >>1980676 >>1994994

I'd like to buy whoever invented the thru-axle a beer. It's a fantastic invention and I have no idea how it manages to be so good. It makes replacing a wheel so much nicer than fucking qr skewers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 18:07:08 No.1975074 Report

Quoted By: >>1975075 >>1975089 >>1978792

Ok I've been meaning to make a thread about this and you saved me the trouble.

How in the FUCK do you spec replacement skewers? Apparently there's like 20 different thread pitches and axle lengths and shit for the same nominal OLD

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 18:09:56 No.1975075 Report

Quoted By: >>1975078 >>1975233

>>1975074
You just ask the brand/google search the answer. Or visit the Robert Axle Project site - they have a good finder tool there.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 18:14:09 No.1975078 Report

Quoted By: >>1975083

>>1975075
Actually that site was specifically what made me go ballistic and decide TA is an international conspiracy to piss me off

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 18:45:50 No.1975083 Report

Quoted By: >>1975084

>>1975078
What bike do you have that you can't figure out? Some no-name China special?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 18:47:12 No.1975084 Report

Quoted By: >>1975088 >>1975129

>>1975083
Basically yeah. It's a sketchy drop shipper called "Canyon" and the model is "Endu-race" lol, that probably sounds really cool if you're Chinese.

Price seemed good at the time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 19:01:34 No.1975088 Report

Quoted By: >>1975097

>>1975084

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 19:03:54 No.1975089 Report

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>>1975074
Procuring a replacement axle is a frustration I've not yet had cause to experience. I imagine that could sour me somewhat on TAs. Although parts-compatibility seems to be a problem endemic to the modern bike industry and not specifically with TA.

>that probably sounds really cool if you're Chinese.
Or German, as the case may be. But I'm assuming you were being ironic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 19:48:23 No.1975097 Report

Quoted By: >>1975111

>>1975088
Thanks, yes that is another example of useless information

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 21:06:18 No.1975111 Report

Quoted By: >>1975112

>>1975097
I think you're overthinking things. You need a 12x100 front and 12x142 rear with 1mm thread pitch.
What more do you want?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 21:14:35 No.1975112 Report

Quoted By: >>1975114 >>1975204

>>1975111
The length would be nice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 21:29:11 No.1975114 Report

Quoted By: >>1975115

>>1975112
Measure the width of your frame or fork at both ends where the axle attaches and add the sum to 142 or 100 respectively.
https://wheelbuilder.com/blog/thru-axles-demystified-/

Or just order one of these
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/gear/bike-parts/tyresandtubes/thru-axles/canyon-gp0197-01-thru-axle-100x12x1.0/10011910.html
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/gear/bike-parts/tyresandtubes/thru-axles/canyon-gp0235-01-thru-axle-142x12x1.0/10011911.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 21:32:14 No.1975115 Report

Quoted By: >>1975116

>>1975114
Yeah I know I can just break out the vernier calipers but my point is coming from the QR era this whole thing seems like a practical joke taken too far. Handlebars and stems and seatposts have standards, why don't thru axles. A "standard" where the specifications given only constitute part of the critical information is not a standard at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 21:56:45 No.1975116 Report

Quoted By: >>1975117

>>1975115
>Yeah I know I can just break out the vernier calipers but my point is coming from the QR era this whole thing seems like a practical joke taken too far.
Oh. And here I thought you actually had a real problem to solve. Turns out you just wanted to bitch on the internet. Fuck you then.

The whole bike industry is increasingly a practical joke. Just wait until you need a new bottom bracket.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 22:00:05 No.1975117 Report

Quoted By: >>1975119

>>1975116
On the contrary, you learned something today didn't you? You thought TA was just 142x12 wham bam thank you ma'am, and now you know better. Maybe someone else did too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 22:12:10 No.1975119 Report

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>>1975117
Meh, fair enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 22:47:53 No.1975129 Report

Quoted By: >>1975142

>>1975084
>It's a sketchy drop shipper called "Canyon"
lmao, thank you for that anon
also wtf is the point of their d2c model if their entry level bikes are just as expensive as big brands?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 23:37:48 No.1975142 Report

Quoted By: >>1975146

>>1975129
Which bikes are you comparing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 23:57:04 No.1975146 Report

Quoted By: >>1975147

>>1975142
the entry level endurance bikes, cheapest endurace is €1300 which is hardly competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 00:08:19 No.1975147 Report

Quoted By: >>1975148

>>1975146
I've done too much internet shopping today but last I checked their 105 mech bike was about $900 less than giant's

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 00:17:09 No.1975148 Report

Quoted By: >>1975149 >>1994993

>>1975147
wasn't giant supposed to be a cheap brand as well, since they own most frame manufacture? i can find 105 bikes that cost less than 1k, by bulls and van rysel

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 00:26:29 No.1975149 Report

Quoted By: >>1975151

>>1975148
Doubt.jpg
Real 105 or mixed? What kinds of wheels?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 00:48:28 No.1975151 Report

Quoted By: >>1975163

>>1975149
one of them has full 105 except for a microshift casette, fulcrum racing 6 wheels, idk if that's good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 01:04:24 No.1975153 Report

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I like cup and cone bearings and therefore like QR's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 01:27:25 No.1975156 Report

Quoted By: >>1975165

>my dirt jump bike has 20mm TA in the front and hex bolts on the rear
checkmate, atheists

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 01:53:34 No.1975163 Report

Quoted By: >>1975171

>>1975151
they're not really the same kind of bike. the van rysel is a rim brake bike with external cable routing. it's a different generation of technology. nothing wrong with it but that's why it's so much cheaper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 01:57:54 No.1975165 Report

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>>1975156
Are you me?
>t. also has 20mm thru axle+bolted axle on the rear of his dj
I also have bikes with
>15x100
>20x100
>qr
>12x135(rare)
>12x142
>12x150

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 02:37:48 No.1975171 Report

Quoted By: >>1975173

>>1975163
that €1300 Endurace 7 RB has rim brakes too, and paying that much extra just for the benefit of internal cables doesn't make sense on a bike touted as a cheap alternative. if it had hydro disks it'd be a different story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 02:42:06 No.1975172 Report

Quoted By: >>1994993

qr is superior. axles flex for micro suspension gains and improved planing. thru axle saps watts overly stiff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 02:44:30 No.1975173 Report

Quoted By: >>1975181

>>1975171
I didn't even know that existed desu

I thought they dropped those years ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 02:54:13 No.1975181 Report

Quoted By: >>1975192

>>1975173
it's the cheapest model endurace they have and it's still overpriced, i'll never forgive the freds

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 03:29:08 No.1975192 Report

Quoted By: >>1975231

>>1975181
I got my canyon before corona so I don't share your feelings. The real villain here is coronatards

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 04:20:58 No.1975204 Report

Quoted By:

>>1975112
Retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 14:00:09 No.1975231 Report

Quoted By:

>>1975192
>fuck you i got mine
the boomer mindset

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 14:12:06 No.1975233 Report

Quoted By: >>1975239

>>1975075
>Just call the company or Google it
So basically it's impossible for boomers to use. Noted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 14:58:29 No.1975239 Report

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>>1975233
Boomers can just drop it off at the shop and have the monkeys take care of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 19:44:05 No.1975275 Report

Quoted By: >>1975278 >>1975296

>>1975073
Can I actually overtighten a thru axle by hand? I don't seem to know if I'm tightening it too much or too little.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 20:25:02 No.1975278 Report

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>>1975275
Probably, with retard strength. Don't be retarded, just tighten until it's firm.
Or get a torque wrench an axle with an allen end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 22:23:49 No.1975296 Report

Quoted By: >>1975337

>>1975275
Use a bit of assembly paste and do it up just hand tight. Less force is better for longevity of your bike.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2024 00:13:42 No.1975319 Report

Quoted By: >>1975324

now riddle me this fellow thru axle enthusiast. i have to replace an extremely pain in the ass front thru axle 12x100, m12x1.5. lenght of the axle 100mm (you read correctly) total lenght 109mm. it's one of those with the head that goes in to the fork. obviously I can't find a replacement and the fork producer is out of stock.
can i buy the shortest I can find and then put some spacers near the head?? assuming the shortest i can find is L120, does that mean i have to put 20mm of spacers?!?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2024 00:22:05 No.1975324 Report

Quoted By: >>1975325

>>1975319
you're overthinking this, just go on amazon and buy a 12x100 wa la

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2024 00:28:00 No.1975325 Report

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>>1975324
wa la poster you're starting to get on my nerves can't you recognise a serious question?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2024 01:59:40 No.1975337 Report

Quoted By: >>1975340

>>1975296
Loose wheels are WAY worse for your bike than tightening something that's supposed to be tight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2024 02:42:25 No.1975340 Report

Quoted By: >>1975341

>>1975337
thru axles aren't just a friction fit hanging on desperately by a lawyer lip, so overtightening them isn't necessary. just tighten with the same level of force you'd use to close a jar of peanut butter and that's it, you're good (can't say w* l* anymore because SOME oversensitive types get upset)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2024 02:45:03 No.1975341 Report

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>>1975340
> just tighten with the same level of force you'd use to close a jar of peanut butter
Ok good luck with that.

>can't say w* l* anymore
No, please continue. Your militant refusal to learn basic spelling helps identify who to ignore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jan 2024 23:25:20 No.1976382 Report

Quoted By: >>1978394

>>1975073
im sure it is better but why are bikes and hubs that take them so expensive?
rly not worth it for me
plus i can convert a nutted bike to qr, cant do that with a thruaxle
i guess i wont rly be able to appreciate them when i see a bike that suits my needs for cheap that has them and il still probably always be dealing with qrs on other bikes all the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Feb 2024 03:20:29 No.1978394 Report

Quoted By: >>1979337

>>1976382
Wheel goes on perfectly aligned every time, no effort. It's crazy how long it took then to figure this out

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Feb 2024 23:41:31 No.1978733 Report

Quoted By: >>1978734 >>1978740

Retards ITT that have never seen someone use a digital caliper and don't even really know what it is.

<You mean they make cheap precise (insectoid produced)tools I can measure any bolt size,length, diameter and even thread pitch with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Feb 2024 23:43:38 No.1978734 Report

Quoted By: >>1978764

>>1978733
Second time I tried green texting proving even more green textings for faggots and shills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Feb 2024 00:47:20 No.1978740 Report

Quoted By:

>>1978733
Mentally ill tool hoarder thinks everyone sits around looking for reasons to buy more stuff for the "man cave"

The only time normal people have ever had to do what you're describing is spoke cutting. For every other real world situation, the nominal size/spec of the product tells you what replacement you need to buy. Even if individual brands deviate slightly, the parameter that's actually relevant can be safely assumed to be all you need to know, and when it can't, it's only an issue in edge cases, like someone trying to "upgrade" by adding an unusually large tire, or a new seatpost being too long on an XXS frame. Imagine having to measure every single seatpost with a digital gauge. This is what you're defending

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Feb 2024 00:55:36 No.1978743 Report

Quoted By: >>1978747

I like these but they make wheel theft too easy. I have to carry multiple lock to keep people from stealing them. For nice bikes that never leave your sight anyway they're good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Feb 2024 01:06:26 No.1978747 Report

Quoted By: >>1994993

>>1978743
Removable lever axles are a thing, but you do have to buy a mass spectrometer to determine galvanic compatibility. For example if the dropout uses a cadmium-mercury alloy, which is common these days for completely arbitrary reasons that I will nonetheless defend, an axle made of aluminum could permanently damage the threads. This is completely normal and anyone who doesn't accept this is a fool

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Feb 2024 01:55:40 No.1978764 Report

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>>1978734
well, you see, dumbass, one symbol is "greater-than", and another symbol is "less-than."
this was covered in my first grade education but I understand not every school district teaches things in the same grade level

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Feb 2024 06:32:03 No.1978792 Report

Quoted By:

>>1975074
There really isn't. Measure yours, measure your wheel hub width, and go from there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Feb 2024 18:31:30 No.1978852 Report

Quoted By: >>1979391

>>1975073
>picrel
It angers me that the force relief struts/hollowings are milled/forged in the exact opposite direction in which the force would be going.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Feb 2024 11:50:37 No.1979337 Report

Quoted By: >>1979393

>>1978394
its not hard to put a wheel on properly with a qr
kinda a non issue
it does look faster though
but like where are the bikes that use it ive never even seen one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Feb 2024 15:25:23 No.1979391 Report

Quoted By: >>1979422

>>1978852
how can you tell just by looking?
not doubting you, I want to learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Feb 2024 15:29:11 No.1979393 Report

Quoted By:

>>1979337
I don't understand. You've never seen a bike with thru-axle?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Feb 2024 18:17:32 No.1979405 Report

Quoted By: >>1979408

>>1975073
>people had a hard time with QR
fucking really

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Feb 2024 18:25:13 No.1979407 Report

Quoted By: >>1990503

so is TA vs QR going to be a rehash of "my obsolete inferior shit is just as good as your current good shit" like we did with discs for the last 10 years until hydro discs finally became affordable even for broke NEETs?

I know the bike warehouses still have a lot of QR frames to dispose of but you usually see those paired with a TA fork at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Feb 2024 18:36:33 No.1979408 Report

Quoted By: >>1979424

>>1979405
It's not so much that I had a hard time with QR, but that TA is so much fucking nicer in comparison.
Well, expect for when you need to source a replacement axle, apparently.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Feb 2024 19:43:07 No.1979422 Report

Quoted By: >>1988017

>>1979391
Nah I actually might be entirely wrong about it. I have one of these and the arm looks similar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Feb 2024 19:56:56 No.1979424 Report

Quoted By: >>1979434

>>1979408
I presume most modern thru axles are nice, but one some of my older mtb's they can be annoying.
No lever on the side, and so you end up pushing/hammering it out from the other side.
I have found every annoying QR experience to either involve "lawyer lips" which are the nubs on the bottom of the fork/rear dropouts to protect companies from loose qr's.
Or external cam qr's. Whoever popularized those sucks.

I can go and grab a 40year old internal cam qr and it clamps hard and easy. A 10 year old external takes way more force to get the same clamp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Feb 2024 20:55:11 No.1979434 Report

Quoted By:

>>1979424
>No lever on the side
I think most TAs I see nowadays don't have the the lever, just a socket for an allen key.
>so you end up pushing/hammering it out from the other side.
... Are we even talking about the same thing here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Feb 2024 01:59:31 No.1980676 Report

Quoted By: >>1982633 >>1992726

>>1975073
>I'd like to buy whoever invented the thru-axle a beer.
Probably Josef Mengele

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Feb 2024 13:31:11 No.1982633 Report

Quoted By:

>>1980676

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2024 14:22:40 No.1984302 Report

Quoted By:

bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2024 01:17:14 No.1984969 Report

Quoted By: >>1985766

You make Tullio Campagnolo sad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Mar 2024 22:16:47 No.1985766 Report

Quoted By:

>>1984969
Good. He made everyone who used his products sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2024 12:55:49 No.1988017 Report

Quoted By:

>>1979422
what am I looking at here

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Apr 2024 09:33:54 No.1990503 Report

Quoted By:

>>1979407
looks that way yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Apr 2024 12:11:58 No.1990519 Report

Quoted By: >>1990525

>roadside flat repair
>flip bike over
>remove axle
>it's covered with grease
>nowhere to put it
Pass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Apr 2024 13:36:44 No.1990525 Report

Quoted By: >>1990526

>>1990519
>flat
skill issue
>flip bike over
>>remove axle
skill issue
>>it's covered with grease
skill issue

t. toobless chad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Apr 2024 13:42:30 No.1990526 Report

Quoted By: >>1990529

>>1990525
Just add "everything is covered in sealant" after the first line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Apr 2024 13:49:44 No.1990529 Report

Quoted By:

>>1990526
sounds like a <32mm problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Apr 2024 18:58:04 No.1992726 Report

Quoted By:

>>1980676
was that the bad guy in "marathon man"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 May 2024 12:52:54 No.1994903 Report

Quoted By:

Bumping this thread to remind non thru axle havers that there are NO thru axle standards and in fact every single fork has a different, custom, proprietary axle despite superficially having the same "spec"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 May 2024 05:01:12 No.1994993 Report

Quoted By:

As a first time thru axle haver, you people aren't kidding. 12x142mm with 1mm thread spacing but it's a sufficiently different pitch to be incompatible with my trainer and my trailer, both of which came with like three different thru axle adaptors. Mavic speed release how bout I speed release this dick in your mouth

>>1975148
Previous gen TCR is pretty much an unbeatable value play innaUS. Polygon is possibly better, but Giant has as big a dealer network here as any brand for in-person support and trying before you buy. Agree that Canyon is somewhat disappointing on value.

>>1975172
>>1978747
Sensible chuckle

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Anonymous Sat 04 May 2024 06:01:14 No.1994994 Report

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>>1975073
solid-axle > qr > thru-axle

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