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Anonymous Tue 16 Apr 2024 21:34:21 No.1991676 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1991708 >>1992580 >>1994329

/bbg/ Bike Building General
"I'm not paying Park for a fucking bike stand, or cleaning my shed" Edition.

A place to ask questions, and to share tips & resources. Post your projects, your finished & in-process builds, restorations, etc.

Resources:
Barnett's Bicycle Repair Manual - https://www.flwlib.org/DocumentCenter/View/2461/Bike-Repair
UCSB Associated Students Bike Shop Manual (2022) - https://bikeshop.as.ucsb.edu/files/2021/08/AS-BIKE-SHOP-WEB-MANUAL.pdf
Sheldon Brown's Bicycle Technical Info - https://www.sheldonbrown.com/
Bike parts, tools, etc. - https://www.universalcycles.com/

Chinkshit:
https://www.aliexpress.com/category/200010436/bicycle-repair-tools.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/category/1222/bicycle-parts.html

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 02:23:41 No.1991708 Report

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>>1991676
Finished brazing a cromoly frame together couple months ago, ended up at 5 pounds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 04:01:36 No.1991722 Report

Quoted By: >>1991728 >>1991742

>>1991708
did you use acetylene? i have been looking into doing this and it's kind of expensive to get the tanks/gas. plus you are probably going to have to build a few before you can get it down right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 05:43:54 No.1991728 Report

Quoted By: >>1991783 >>1994386

>>1991722
Acetylene is better, but you can use some smaller torches, as long as your making a lugged bike. It would be stupid to fillet braze with something like propane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 06:34:16 No.1991731 Report

Quoted By: >>1991743

>>1991467
>How hard would it be to manufacture my own bike frame?
Broad question. There are so many variables--your idea, your skills, what tools you have, etc.
I'd say it ranges from "a fair bit of work" to "really quite difficult". It's a bit like having an idea for a website or program, and saying "I don't do programming though".

>>1991469
If you're brand new, the easy thing to do is copy something good.

>wouldn't the lugs determine the geo
In general yes. There are different sets, for various tubing diameters, different angles, etc.
The lug supplier will either have a drawing of the angles/dimensions, or a listing of them that you can plug into something like BikeCAD. Super useful if you're building a traditional 'diamond' frame.

The amount of clearance/wiggle room depends on what alloy you're using for the joint, but it will be a tiny number. Something like .002-.006. A piece of copy paper is ~.004.
If you're gonna bend something... it's gonna be the tubes.

>now that you can weld the tubes instead of braize them to lugs
This was one of the big changes in the cycling world. If you look through ancient mtb catalogs, for a while the lower tier stuff was lugged & brazed, the higher tier stuff welded or fillet brazed. Because the latter option was much more freeform wrt to tubing lengths, angles, etc when people were really experimenting with what worked well.

You both seem interested in the topic, check out some of this guy's videos. This recent one is specifically about kind of a half & half technique, where you sorta get the look, but aren't locked into set angles, etc.
Bilaminate Construction on a BICYCLE HEADTUBE // paul brodie's shop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK9yeHU14rk

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 08:17:00 No.1991736 Report

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this was the worst financial decision of my life

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 09:40:03 No.1991742 Report

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>>1991722
Most places won't fill tanks that aren't their own. Plumbing and HVAC supply places are a good bet, as they have the smaller tanks. Highly suggest an oxy/acetylene rig instead of straight acetylene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 09:43:01 No.1991743 Report

Quoted By: >>1994388

>>1991731
what do frame builders use to cut and cope the tubing for filet brazing? are they doing it by hand with a bandfile, or do they use a hole saw in a jig or something?

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 11:01:31 No.1991745 Report

Quoted By: >>1991778 >>1992032

I’ve been looking into the idea of welding/brazing disc brake mounts to an old GT bravado steel frame.
Most conversions seem to add ISO-tabs, but since flat mount calipers are both more available and also sleeker I’d wanna go with that if possible. Is the chainstay strong enough to handle it without a brace? 140 or 160mm discs.

Since a flat mount conversion would put the caliper between chain and seatstay, a brace right next to it would maybe help a little, but the braking force would ofc be centered right at the mounting spot.

I’ve seen it done, but maybe it’s a bad idea?

Not my frame in picture, but one just like it

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 11:47:47 No.1991750 Report

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wee

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 12:45:58 No.1991760 Report

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>>1991750

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 13:12:16 No.1991766 Report

Quoted By: >>1991772

holy shit this is the first time ive seen this board and the catalog has 5 bike threads and i need bike advice
i got an old dutch steel bike (literally made in 1984, no joke) for free from some old dutch people and it hasnt been riden for a decade. the goal is to restore it to a single speed with panniers and rim brakes. any tips?

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 13:41:31 No.1991772 Report

Quoted By: >>1991773

>>1991766
your'e dutch. throw it in a canal and steal a new one

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 13:46:04 No.1991773 Report

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>>1991772
no im australian. theres no bikes around to steal and i would certainly get in trouble for it. it was shipped here and put in their garden as a feature piece until they gave it to me

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 14:25:29 No.1991778 Report

Quoted By: >>1991780

>>1991745
It's gonna be a lot of work either way and probably require bracing. Personally I wouldn't even bother and just put a disc brake fork on the frame and keep a decent V-brake at the rear, stopping power is 70% front brake anyway.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 14:52:19 No.1991780 Report

Quoted By: >>1991911

>>1991778
Yeah I figure, though I don't mind putting in the work if I know a good result is achievable.

I don't plan to ride it super hard or anything, so V-brakes would surely be enough. I just wanna build a cool looking bike with modern components on the frame I like

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Apr 2024 15:10:02 No.1991783 Report

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>>1991728
yeah i was thinking about mapp for small stuff, i wanted to try brazing stuff on my bike, but yeah, propane definitely wouldn't get hot enough for that.
>>1991742
ohh, i wasn't sure. i found out there is a welding supply place near me so i'll have to ask before i pick some up second hand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2024 07:19:44 No.1991911 Report

Quoted By: >>1991943 >>1992002

>>1991780
Build a mullet, with disc front and rim back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2024 16:34:41 No.1991943 Report

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>>1991911
isn't the front like 80% of your braking power anyway? I'm always using the front brake by itself, but tend to only use the back brake in conjunction with the front, for quick stops.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Apr 2024 22:27:02 No.1992002 Report

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>>1991911
If you do this make sure you get a mechanical disc brake at the front (fuck fluids btw) and a V-brake at the rear so you can use matching long pull brake levers, or if you insist on a cantishit rear brake for hipster meme points use brake levers that can be adjusted between long pull and short pull.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Apr 2024 01:09:39 No.1992032 Report

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>>1991745
put it on top of the seat stay near the dropouts, mig is just fine

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Anonymous Fri 19 Apr 2024 01:48:09 No.1992042 Report

Quoted By: >>1992043 >>1992187

>>1991760
bought this piece of crap for the fenders, basket, and rack.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Apr 2024 01:49:10 No.1992043 Report

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>>1992042
$10 bike. was gonna throw it away after i pulled all the stuff off

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Anonymous Fri 19 Apr 2024 01:52:20 No.1992044 Report

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>>1992043
but i never had a klunker before, so i assembled this piece of shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Apr 2024 18:17:13 No.1992187 Report

Quoted By: >>1992194

>>1992042
i-is that a blood?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Apr 2024 18:39:40 No.1992194 Report

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>>1992187
im not good at this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Apr 2024 10:50:13 No.1992300 Report

Quoted By: >>1992303

what tool can i get to unfuck my bb threads?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Apr 2024 11:19:29 No.1992303 Report

Quoted By: >>1992325

>>1992300
Get a hacksaw and cut a slot in the o.d. threads of the BB cartridge then use it like a die to slowly chase the threads. Only go a little at a time then back off. The slot gives a place for the chips to go. Use oil, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Apr 2024 14:37:44 No.1992325 Report

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>>1992303
thanks for the tip bro. i sorted it tho. turns out the new bb just had shit threads

fuck the chinks, sometims.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2024 04:26:00 No.1992454 Report

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Cracked wheel discs, 35 year old plastic that hasn’t gone super brittle, but it was never flexible to begin with

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Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2024 04:28:23 No.1992455 Report

Quoted By: >>1992464

>>1992454
Automotive wiring harness tape, it’s like hockey tape but more sticky and a finer weave. So it’s super flexible and sticks to anything pretty well.
Fits around these curves where the cracks are great. It’s not permanent, but nothing short of super glue would be, and I don’t want to potentially fuck that up.
I might basically put a backing layer on both disc sides, like a big vinyl sheet or something, just to give it some more support

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2024 05:38:28 No.1992464 Report

Quoted By: >>1992465

>>1992455
nice. i wonder if plastic welding with zip ties would be feasible, or if the stock is too thin, or a different type of plastic. size those holes and when you do your final fix you can just cover those small holes and redrill them out instead of fiddling with trying to shape or cut around them.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2024 05:55:10 No.1992465 Report

Quoted By: >>1992513

>>1992464
The other idea I was thinking of for them is to reinforce the wear points and edges. Basically wrap aluminum rings around the valve hole, then the inside and outside edges, and bond washers to the bolt holes. This stuff is too thin to involve heat, it would warp immediately.
This is distinctly for show, this isn’t an everyday ride, but I just want them to be a bit more secure for peace of mind.
They’re designed to be somewhat compliant so my other concern is say I cut some aluminum U trim to fit the rim of the disc, and that extra rigidity actually leads to failure.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2024 14:39:40 No.1992513 Report

Quoted By: >>1992518

>>1992465
the original setup for that is so cool despite the gimmicks. I had one that I had to modify a bit for a shorter friend, the stem was like 140mm and weighed 500 grams lol. Looks pretty racy with my saddle height. Beautiful frame, I love the wishbone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2024 15:26:59 No.1992518 Report

Quoted By: >>1992521

>>1992513
Yeah this one is a bit small on me, it’s a 19” frame and I’m best on 20-21”, so the low and forward thing is amplified a lot.
The melon Marin above is 21” and fits me great
But it absolutely rips anyway, and looks super cool. We don’t have these in the US so it’s definitely a unique one to be riding around

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2024 15:28:54 No.1992521 Report

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>>1992518
I forgot this isn’t the post your bike thread
Melon Marin >>1992163
which also needed a lot of work, I got that thing in a really sorry state but it cleaned up very nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2024 22:06:25 No.1992580 Report

Quoted By: >>1992594 >>1993930

>>1991676
any idea on building a nice diy bike stand?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Apr 2024 23:06:01 No.1992594 Report

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>>1992580
I would check used first

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Apr 2024 23:46:22 No.1992948 Report

Quoted By: >>1992956 >>1993063

Is it practical to get a hand torch type thing to braze a few lugged frames together? I’m assuming welding is too much up front cost for just a few frames, and I can’t imagine I’d get skilled at it anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 01:05:01 No.1992956 Report

Quoted By: >>1993033

>>1992948
That's the reason bikes of the past were lugged and brazed until it became profitable to mass produce welded bikes. The bigger issue will be a frame jig

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 05:04:25 No.1992998 Report

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you'll want an oxy/acetylene mix. it's a few hundred dollars. you'll need to buy a torch, some tips, and then go get a bottle of gas and air at a supply house. then of course you'll need a ton of other tools. i'd acquire things slowly and cheaply via facebook, flea markets, yard and estate sales.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 11:02:58 No.1993033 Report

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>>1992956
That’s encouraging, thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 14:17:24 No.1993063 Report

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>>1992948
For a few bike frames, a used tig vs oxy acetylene are somewhat comparable. You can do lots of other things with both of them aside from making bikes, depends on what way you want to make bikes and what else you would do with the tools.

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:42:25 No.1993180 Report

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I'm not paying $25 for this.

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:43:36 No.1993182 Report

Quoted By: >>1993183

this old reflector will do

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:44:11 No.1993183 Report

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>>1993182
nice

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:44:37 No.1993184 Report

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cut it down

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:45:38 No.1993185 Report

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take your time so you get a good, even cut kek

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:47:27 No.1993187 Report

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let's pretend like we're not in the bush league

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:48:28 No.1993188 Report

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that'll do

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:49:56 No.1993189 Report

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this paint has seen a few presidents

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:51:25 No.1993190 Report

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and now we wait

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 22:56:27 No.1993191 Report

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gonna need these. i really need to buy a set of tap and dies.

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Anonymous Wed 24 Apr 2024 23:55:22 No.1993197 Report

Quoted By: >>1993313 >>1993436

tenatively calling this a success. i'll eventually tap and slot it so it's not a pain in the ass every time i need to change a brake cable. fuck you amazon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 17:56:06 No.1993313 Report

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>>1993197
Brilliant

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 23:48:05 No.1993436 Report

Quoted By: >>1993532

>>1993197
there is a diy bike hacks thread fyi

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Apr 2024 14:52:43 No.1993532 Report

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>>1993436
yeah let's further splinter content on the board that gets 12 visitors a day

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Anonymous Sun 28 Apr 2024 18:58:14 No.1993916 Report

Quoted By: >>1993921 >>1994336

I got this 1982 Miyata 610 from the original owner yesterday, fifty bux.
A touring bike, mid spec in the range. The seller said when he bought it the bike shop guy talked him into some upgrades, so it has the same derailers & shifters that came with the 1000. It also has a double instead of a triple. Said he never rode it much, and I believe him.

The marks on the rear dropouts say the rear skewer was clamped down twice, hardly any scuffs on the fd, etc. The ancient tires are rotten, but still have the little bit of rubber flash, where the molds met. Must have rode it very little.

This is gonna to be a replacement for my old 'old ten speed fixed gear', and it's good for that. The rear is 120mm, the shift mounts & derailer cable guides are the band/removable type, and the rest of the dimensions fit 1980s Japanese stuff, nothing odd.
The previous one I wrecked in 2022--bent the steerer tube, top tube, down tube, RIP. So everything comes off this, and parts from the wrecked bike go on. I'll keep a few bits, at least the derailers, shifters.

Not a great pic, but I rarely remember to take one before disassembly. The white sheet is a sewing machine cover, keeps the dust off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Apr 2024 19:09:11 No.1993921 Report

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>>1993916
neat. are those suntour cyclone derailleurs? I have one of those cranks, the logo looks similar

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Anonymous Sun 28 Apr 2024 19:51:23 No.1993930 Report

Quoted By: >>1994321

>>1992580
>building a nice diy bike stand?
Does 'nice' mean 'looks good' or 'works'?
I'm gonna assume you think something like a Park stand is too expensive for what it is. There's two cheap ideas that I've seen, that I think are reasonable.

1st, if you have an exposed rafter (garage, porch, basement, etc), you can just use a piece of string. Either loop the string over, or use an eye bolt, etc. One at the saddle, one at the handlebars.
I think most people dislike this, because it's not absolutely fixed/your bike can swing a bit. Kind of the formal version of hooking the nose of your saddle over a tree branch.

2nd really cheap way is to make a tubing block, like what you'd use to hold tubes when building a frame. Tends to be some kind of hardwood, where you bore out the correct size hole (holesaw, auger, forstner bit), then saw the block in half & put a 'hinge' on it, usually a bit of leather. Then you clamp this block to/in something.
It's low-tech, but assumes you have some round tube on your bike (seatpost?) to put it on. Not my pic.

I used to ride with a guy, he had one of those basement screw jack pillars, and he made a block to fit the pillar, one to fit his seatpost, and used two wood clamps. There's a bit more to it, but you get the idea. He was 6'3", and the ergonomics were surprisingly good.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2024 00:36:23 No.1994321 Report

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>>1993930
leather flap was smart.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2024 01:28:50 No.1994329 Report

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>>1991676
jewwww white Chinese, the shit hole racist pedo American white pigs, experience Pearl Harbor again and be slaughtered and exterminated!

from japan

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Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2024 01:40:35 No.1994336 Report

Quoted By: >>1994355

>>1993916
Those shifters look caveman, what are they?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2024 03:38:36 No.1994355 Report

Quoted By: >>1994382

>>1994336
what do you mean? they're just clamp on dt shifters. look like arx shifters i had once, but i'm sure they're probably cyclone or something based on the rd.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2024 07:58:45 No.1994382 Report

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>>1994355
They look way chunkier around the barrel then any other DT shifters I've seen, but that may be a quirk of the photo. I agree they're probably early Cyclone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2024 09:15:15 No.1994386 Report

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>>1991728
This is a bogus claim. I use oxy ace but using oxy propane or literally any other oxy fuel setup gets you there. If I didnt happen to have the oxy ace setup I wouldnt have gone the ace route and would have opted for oxy propane instead because theres not a single reason not to. But alot of upsides, handling, safety, cost, sometimes even law.
So yeah, explain why oxy propane would be inferior for brazing. Protip: You cant.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2024 09:19:58 No.1994388 Report

Quoted By: >>1994544

>>1991743
cut at the correct angle, use a half round file (they are 25 mm and 30 mm here) to get you close and a smaller half round or round file to get bang on. Other than that use anything, ive adopted a shaper and at another time a pantograph copy mill to make it faster and easier work but alwwys followed up with a hand file. Because you got to piss with the cock you have.

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Anonymous Wed 01 May 2024 01:27:53 No.1994544 Report

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>>1994388
>Because you got to piss with the cock you have.
kek

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Anonymous Wed 01 May 2024 01:54:18 No.1994553 Report

Quoted By: >>1994554

The Paterek Manual.pdf
https://files.catbox.moe/itiykq.pdf

The Proteus Framebuilding Book.pdf
https://files.catbox.moe/o4d2qf.pdf

here's a bonus for you all
Joe Friel - The Cyclist Training Bible [Scan by yazper].pdf
https://files.catbox.moe/iiloff.pdf

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Anonymous Wed 01 May 2024 01:55:34 No.1994554 Report

Quoted By: >>1994560

>>1994553
Thank you. I forgot framebuilding was a thing when I made this thread.

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Anonymous Wed 01 May 2024 02:06:06 No.1994560 Report

Quoted By: >>1994567

>>1994554
I just recently remembered I had those books deep in my archive and need to share it, really interesting information even if you or I or anon never build a bike, there's some really deep topics discussed there

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Anonymous Wed 01 May 2024 03:20:44 No.1994567 Report

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>>1994560
i got like 3gb of crap i've hoarded, but it was grabbed via automation, so there's a bunch of cringe titles sprinkled in. i'll rar it and upload it if anyone wants.

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Anonymous Wed 01 May 2024 12:21:09 No.1994611 Report

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oh the difference between bearingprotools press compared to chinkshit one
also wind-out puller such a nice thing to have
no hammering needed

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