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A Chicago federal judge appointed by Obongo says illegal aliens have a right to own and carry a gun

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 03:05:55 No.1280231 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1280473 >>1280475 >>1280483 >>1280488 >>1281152

Crazy, so even an Obongo judge admits the right to keep and bear arms is a basic human right. Also since she was appointed by obongo, dems literally voted for this
https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-immigrants-have-right-own-guns-judge-rules-1880806
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-rules-illegal-immigrants-gun-175049515.html?guccounter=1
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/illegal-immigrants-can-carry-guns-under-second-amendment-federal-judge-rules-heriberto-carbajal-flores-chicago-district-judge-sharon-johnson-coleman-obama-ice-southern-border-2a-rights-illinois
https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-judges-ruling-illegal-immigrants-owning-guns-helps-left-blur-lines-citizenship-rubio
https://nypost.com/2024/03/20/us-news/illinois-judge-rules-illegal-migrants-can-carry-guns/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 17:55:25 No.1280408 Report

Quoted By: >>1280485

>>1280407
Why else would anyone use the term illegal alien?
Or course that's been the legal term all along.
Alien used to be more associated with being foreign than big head space guys.
The other anon is either a retard or a eurotrash know-it-all whore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 18:08:04 No.1280412 Report

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>>1280243
>The fucking article must be posted to adhere to board rule!! The rule of board state article must be pasted!
cite the rule that states the article text must be posted, faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 18:22:51 No.1280420 Report

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>>1280397
>If it were permitted that would entail some protection against deportation would it not?
Not under the Alien and Sedition Acts.

You're essentially arguing an act that empowered the government to individually kick out specific immigrants means illegal aliens were created. Even if deportation were fucking illegal, illegal immigrants would be a thing. What makes someone an illegal is that they entered or stayed illegal ffs.

If you're using that Act as a basis for the existence of illegals prior to the Immigration Act of 1882, I can only assume by "subject to deportation" you mean someone that can be deported. That was all god damn aliens at the time no matter how they entered. The president could arbitrarily deport whoever they fucking wanted. I remind you my initial point was that illegal aliens were a completely foreign concept to the founders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 18:26:21 No.1280421 Report

Quoted By: >>1280423

>>1280407
If you'd read your source, you'd note the term isn't defined in law.

Fucking idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 18:33:02 No.1280423 Report

Quoted By: >>1280427 >>1280428

>>1280421
>reddit spacing
>can't read
>esl
>brown
>jewish
since you need to be spoonfed
>FitzGerald pointed to four uses of "illegal alien," two in federal law and the others in a congressional act
>Section 1252(c) of the "Aliens and Nationality" laws is titled: "Authorizing State and local law enforcement officials to arrest and detain certain illegal aliens." The section authorizes state and local law enforcement officials "to arrest and detain an individual who— (1) is an alien illegally present in the United States; and (2) has previously been convicted of a felony in the United States and deported or left the United States after such conviction."
>Section 1365, titled "Reimbursement of States for costs of incarcerating illegal aliens and certain Cuban nationals," applies to any alien convicted of a felony who’s in the country unlawfully and whose most recent entry "was without inspection, or whose most recent admission to the United States was as a nonimmigrant and whose period of authorized stay as a nonimmigrant expired, or whose unlawful status was known to the government."
>FitzGerald also pointed out that a section of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 authorized the hiring of 25 new federal lawyers to "prosecute persons who bring into the United States or harbor illegal aliens or violate other criminal statutes involving illegal aliens." Also noted: A section of the act requiring an annual report detailing "the number of illegal aliens" sentenced or jailed for felonies in state and federal prisons.
>That act, we saw, relies on the established definition of "alien" spotted earlier. It doesn’t explicitly define "illegal alien," though by our count, the term appears nine times including in a section titled "Demonstration project for identification of illegal aliens in incarceration facility of Anaheim, California" and a section titled "Pilot programs on limiting issuance of driver’s licenses to illegal aliens."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 18:50:22 No.1280427 Report

Quoted By: >>1280433

>>1280423
>reddit spacing
I regret to inform you that you've failed the test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 18:51:27 No.1280428 Report

Quoted By: >>1280433

>>1280423
>since you need to be spoonfed
Imagine posting shit without reading it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 19:04:07 No.1280433 Report

Quoted By: >>1280434

>>1280428
>>1280427
He literally blew you the fuck out, you retards. He proved his point the term is used in law.

Just admit you're a retard. You would only be doing yourself a service.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 19:16:27 No.1280434 Report

Quoted By: >>1280438 >>1280558

>>1280433
>the term is used in law
But not defined in law.

Also, even if you wanted to take the context in law to create a definition, it DOESN'T MATCH THE ONE INITIALLY GIVEN.

He managed to be wrong twice over. Thrice over if we go back to the original discussion since that definitional also wouldn't have fucking existed for the first century of our country.

We're off on multiple tangents and the people bitching have been wrong every step of the way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 20:04:19 No.1280438 Report

Quoted By: >>1280441

>>1280434
>But not defined in law
But it is you assblasted retard. All I had to do was Google a single law he mentioned above and the term "illegal alien" is clearly defined.

You are a retard, anon
A retard

All you have to do is search up a code he referenced and look at their definitions, for example 8 U.S. Code § 1365 section b, which clearly defines the term "illegal alien" in the context in which that law uses it.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365

Any other law which uses an inspecific term like "illegal alien" will likely define it as well for use in the context it is being referenced

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 20:10:23 No.1280439 Report

Quoted By: >>1280442

>>1280375
>Statistically advocating for guns isn't normal, weirdo freak.
There's nothing abnormal about advocating for rights enshrined in your country's constitution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 20:11:00 No.1280441 Report

Quoted By: >>1280447

>>1280438
That's defining "illegal alien convicted of a felony", not illegal alien.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 20:13:27 No.1280442 Report

Quoted By: >>1280448 >>1280480 >>1280559

>>1280439
>There's nothing abnormal about advocating for rights enshrined in your country's constitution.
If I met someone advocating for jury trials in civil suits regarding values greater than $20, I'd absolutely consider them a freak.

We're talking sleeps in socks and collects taxidermied animals levels of unbalanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 20:45:53 No.1280447 Report

Quoted By: >>1280460

>>1280441
It defined it in context of that law you fucking retard.
Any law that uses the term "illegal alien" will define what that term means. Feel free to not act so dumb in the future

Faggotard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 20:46:22 No.1280448 Report

Quoted By: >>1280463

>>1280442
if the seventh amendment was under political attack, it wouldn't be abnormal for anyone to advocate for its utility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 21:18:23 No.1280460 Report

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>>1280447
>Any law that uses the term "illegal alien" will define what that term means
So what you're saying is, since no law used the term for the first century of this country, our founders didn't even conceive of illegals and they should be allowed to carry guns?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 21:20:09 No.1280463 Report

Quoted By: >>1280464 >>1280486 >>1280559

>>1280448
It doesn't become normal to defend something just because it's under attack.

As an example, the electoral college is under attack constantly, and nobody honestly defends that bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 21:24:33 No.1280464 Report

Quoted By: >>1280465

>>1280463
>It doesn't become normal to defend something just because it's under attack.
Literally the only context in which it's actually normal to take a defensive posture on an issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 21:26:07 No.1280465 Report

Quoted By: >>1280466 >>1280470

>>1280464
So what you're saying is it's normal to defend pedophiles? You're a pedophile defender? You're the greatest champion of pedophiles because they are constantly under attack? You're the pedo champion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 21:31:24 No.1280466 Report

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>>1280465
Yes, that is word for word exactly what I'm saying. What a perfect encapsulation of my argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 21:43:34 No.1280470 Report

Quoted By: >>1280474

>>1280465
This post reminds me of Pizzagate, and when all the Democrats who debunked it got arrested expectedly for the expected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 21:52:14 No.1280473 Report

Quoted By:

>>1280231
>more guns by immigrants in a democrat state
kekeke

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 22:04:13 No.1280474 Report

Quoted By: >>1280487

>>1280470
>when all the Democrats who debunked it
Imagine falling for *literal* fake news. Hell, imagine still believing in Pizzagate. Couldn't be me.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N39W381/

herbs

herbs Thu 21 Mar 2024 22:36:15 No.1280475 Report

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>>1280231
There's something ironic about a literal redditor coming here unwelcome, shitposting constantly and refusing to assimilate into 4chan culture, and then complaining about Mexicans doing the same thing in the US.
>>1280243
>BUT MUH RULES!
and then defending himself by saying "but I haven't been deported yet so it must be okay!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 23:11:19 No.1280479 Report

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>>1280375
Americans own half the world's total firearms so yes, it is normal. Stop judging our culture, bigot ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 23:13:17 No.1280480 Report

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>>1280442
Nobody cares about your weird definitions, and frankly civil suits should have jury trials so one judge can't go off the rails because they personally dislike the defendant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 23:14:34 No.1280482 Report

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>>1280394
Illegal alien is much more a real term than "undocumented migrant", but not as good as "bean-reeking invader" or "razor wire decoration".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 23:15:04 No.1280483 Report

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>>1280231
i guess the judge thought she was owning the chuds by facilitating criminals in committing crime, but law abiding gun owners already assume criminals have guns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 23:17:27 No.1280485 Report

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>>1280408
The local shrieking leftist faggot is an Aussie who got bullied off most of the other boards, he used to be on /tv/, then /k/ (despite not owning guns, he would mostly lurk in Ukraine threads or scream "traitor" at anyone who didn't like Joe Biden, so most of the board). He has no idea how the American system or the Constitution works, he has been repeatedly btfo because he doesn't understand concepts like inalienable rights or natural rights, and that is why he is such a salty little fag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 23:19:03 No.1280486 Report

Quoted By: >>1280520

>>1280463
>Nobody wants the electoral college!
Wrong, it's the only reason why all the states that produce food and have water don't just kick out New York and California to avoid them dominating elections.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 23:20:06 No.1280487 Report

Quoted By: >>1280520

>>1280474
Not reading that. All the pizzagate deboonkers turned out to be diddlers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Mar 2024 23:20:09 No.1280488 Report

Quoted By:

>>1280231
SHALL

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 01:03:44 No.1280520 Report

Quoted By:

>>1280486
I said *honestly* defends.

>>1280487
>Not reading that.
I just assumed you couldn't read in the first place. No need to broadcast your inability to read specific shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 02:33:41 No.1280557 Report

Quoted By:

>>1280369
a. please don't call them people
b. that only ever happened with reagan and it was bipartisan

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 02:35:36 No.1280558 Report

Quoted By: >>1280676

>>1280434
you tried to claim it wasn't a legal term. It is literally used in laws and in government documents

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 02:36:46 No.1280559 Report

Quoted By: >>1280668 >>1280706

>>1280442
>>1280463
people defend the first amendment all the time and you don't call them freaks. also the EC is mega based as it recognizes wyomingings are worth more than californians

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 10:23:41 No.1280668 Report

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>>1280559
To be fair, Californians should be sold to China for pennies each.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 11:37:30 No.1280676 Report

Quoted By: >>1280802 >>1280807 >>1281100

>>1280558
>you tried to claim it wasn't a legal term. It is literally used in laws
That's not what legal term means. "a" is used in laws. It's not a legal term. A legal term is a term which has a specific meaning when used in a legal context, either terms of art specific to law or words or phrases defined in laws themselves. "illegal", "illegal immigrant", etc, are not legal terms.

Examples would be "and" and "or". There's entire court cases about that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 14:00:38 No.1280706 Report

Quoted By: >>1280809

>>1280559
>people defend the first amendment all the time and you don't call them freaks
Sure I do. Lots of people do. Popular speech doesn't need defending. People that bring up attacks on the first amendment are mostly religious nutjobs and neonazis with the odd satanist thrown in for good measure.

The ACLU runs around defending the literal fucking Klan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 17:22:09 No.1280802 Report

Quoted By:

>>1280676
Nah, illegal alien is the legal term. Shit try though, fuckface.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 17:38:49 No.1280807 Report

Quoted By: >>1280838

>>1280676
here is the DoJ calling illegal aliens illegal alliens and defining them as illegal aliens
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/illegal-aliens-federal-state-and-local-criminal-justice-systems
and here is the GAO calling them illegals
https://www.gao.gov/products/t-hrd-93-33

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 17:40:02 No.1280809 Report

Quoted By: >>1280842

>>1280706
>anyone who is pro freedom of speech or religion is a nutjob
>popular speech doesn't need defending
you are a real (((liar))) don't you know that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 18:25:23 No.1280838 Report

Quoted By: >>1280846

>>1280807
>here is the DoJ
>Posts the Urban Institute
>and here is the GAO calling them illegals
Illegal aliens actually. And again the term isn't defined in law. Also that doc's from 1993 lmao. Are you done digging?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 18:27:02 No.1280842 Report

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>>1280809
(((Jesus))) is my savior. You know that? Also, it's a free country. You can just call me a Jew.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 18:30:10 No.1280846 Report

Quoted By: >>1280886

>>1280838
it it literally on the DoJ's website, you retard. and you are acting like illegal alien isn't used in the government and it 100% is. also, again, a different judge already ruled illegals don't have gun rights because they aren't people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 19:54:47 No.1280886 Report

Quoted By: >>1280890

>>1280846
>it it literally on the DoJ's website
Yes. And? It literally says it was written by the Urban Institute, a thinktank.

Do you even read the shit you dump on other people? I've had more productive conversations with gerbils.

>and you are acting like illegal alien isn't used in the government
I am not. Clearly it is.

You're literally just trying to invent shit I've said to make me wrong (about shit that is entirely off topic from the original discussion in the first place).

>already ruled
Didn't stop this judge from overriding that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 20:06:31 No.1280890 Report

Quoted By: >>1280917

>>1280886
>reddit spacing
doj endorses it, you are just a coping no dick faggot
>I am not.
you are, and now you are trying to move the goal posts
>Didn't stop this judge from overriding that shit.
different districts. this judge didn't overrule the other judge who said illegals aren't people

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Mar 2024 20:42:34 No.1280917 Report

Quoted By:

>>1280890
>reddit spacing
You've failed the test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Mar 2024 10:12:28 No.1281100 Report

Quoted By:

>>1280676
>"illegal", "illegal immigrant", etc, are not legal terms.
thats not what he used, he used the legal term
illegal alien

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Mar 2024 17:13:47 No.1281152 Report

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>>1280231
Why would they so this? I know it's a giant fucking op to destroy America, but I thought it had some rationale to it, i.e flood the country with new, cheap labour who'll vote dem. But why give them guns?

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