Where Trump leads, performative evangelicals and 'conservative' pundits follow. Expect them to begin espousing the value of states rights to legalize baby murder within the next 48 hours.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/08/trump-says-abortion-is-up-to-the-states-declines-to-endorse-national-limit-00151022 Former President Donald Trump on Monday said abortion should be left to the states in the post-Roe era, declining to endorse any national limit on the procedure.
His announcement, shared on Truth Social, is likely to disappoint anti-abortion groups who hoped he would use his bully pulpit to endorse national restrictions on abortion, especially after his campaign floated a 15-week ban earlier this year. Trump instead said that it was “up to the states to do the right thing” on abortion, painting Democrats as “radical” on the issue.
“The states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both, and whatever they decide must be the law of the land,” Trump said. “Many states will be different. Many will have a different number of weeks, or some will [be] more conservative than others, and that’s what they will be. At the end of the day, this is all about the will of the people.”
The announcement highlights Trump’s recognition that abortion has dogged Republicans on the campaign trail since the fall of Roe v. Wade nearly two years ago — and his primary goal of winning the 2024 election. He has chided other Republicans for speaking “inaccurately” on abortion, intimating that severe restrictions have cost the GOP winnable elections. On Sunday night and again Monday morning he urged people to “follow their heart” or their religion but encouraged voters to remember the stakes.
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>>1285463 Nice false dichotomy.
The idea that there are people who genuinely believe life begins at conception and abortion is murder, but are content with abortion's legality being left to state governments to decide, is insane.
Either it's murder or it's not. Murder is illegal in all 50 states. There's no one out there saying "I think the legality of shooting someone to death in the street in cold blood should be left up to the states", because that would be insane.
The "states rights" stance is a tepid acknowledgement that either the legality of murder is negotiable, or abortion isn't really murder and the entire pro life movement is just another political larp.
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>>1285441 >"Whether or not it's legal to murder a baby should be left to the states to decide" would be seen as a betrayal. You don't understand the abortion debate.
Roe v. Wade forced states to accept abortion regardless of what they believed. Appealing the decision allowed states to freely decide once again, and allowed states the freedom to keep abortion if they wanted it.
Forcing states to accept top-down dictatorial mandates isn't an abortion issue, it's a democrat issue. Republicans don't want to force democrats to do what they say, they want to get the fuck away from them and leave them to their own devices.
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>>1285470 Fine ban abortion in all 50 states then. I'm fine with that.
And while shooting someone to death is illegal in all 50 states, the punishment varies by state because different states have different laws.
What a shit-tier Internet dyke argument. No one want to cum inside you, retard.
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>>1285472 So abortion is the murder of a child, but whether or not child murder should be legal should be left to the states.
And it didn't even take one comment for another right winger to disagree with that.
>>1285474 >Fine ban abortion in all 50 states then. I'm fine with that. If you believe life begins at conception at least this is a morally consistent stance. Unlike the other right winger above you.
>What a shit-tier Internet dyke argument. No one want to cum inside you, retard. Stay seething
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>>1285480 You're fucking drunk as shit, bot.
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>>1285478 >Unlike the other right winger above you. But I'm not even right wing.
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>>1285483 You're right. Ideological consistency, for better or worse, precludes you from being right wing, my apologies.
You are seething, though.
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>>1285478 >So abortion is the murder of a child, but whether or not child murder should be legal should be left to the states. Yes.
You seem to be under a misconception. It is not that Republicans willingly tolerate child murder. It is that we have no other choice, because half of the country has been conditioned to believe that anti-natalism is not only acceptable, but that it should also be encouraged.
The US is a lost cause on that front.
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>>1285485 I hate to break it to you, but if you truly believe life begins at conception, see abortion is still legal in the majority of the country, and your response is
>Welp, whatcha gonna do people might not vote for us if we did something about it on the national level Then yes, you are willingly tolerating child murder.
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>>1285485 >It is not that Republicans willingly tolerate child murder except they do, when it comes to IVF and washing away viable embryos.
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>>1285486 If someone held a gun to your head and said "give me your wallet or you die", are you tolerating robbery?
The implicit threat of government force and the explicit exertion of soft power preclude any possibility of banning abortion completely. This is the work that the United States government, the most powerful nation in human history, has wrought.
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>>1285441 Yeah evangelicals are regards who need to get the fuck out of my right wing politics. Do you have a point?
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>>1285464 If you believe even an iota of shit mentioned in the article, ywnbaw.
>The absolute state of /retardedonpurpose/ Anonymous
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>>1285441 >as many in the pro life evangelical movement claim to believe Those are gatekeepers, anon. They don't represent the real right.
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>>1285472 >Forcing states to accept top-down dictatorial mandates isn't an abortion issue, it's a democrat issue. Republicans don't want to force democrats to do what they say, they want to get the fuck away from them and leave them to their own devices. You have no clue how government works. States are forced to follow federal law all of the time. Its literally apart of our constitution. It has nothing to do with Republicans vs. Democrats.
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>>1285507 thanks andrew jackson
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>>1285508 The irony of telling someone else they don't understand the abortion debate then claiming that states being forced to follow federal law per the constitution is "dictatorial" is beyond palpable.
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>>1285509 most takes on /news/ are superlatively absurd at this point, it's not exactly a great place for debate
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>>1285510 I feel like /news/ is the perfect combination of confidence and ignorance. Its horrific to watch in real time.
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>>1285507 >I am literally too retarded to understand the difference between party policy and the supremacy clause Anonymous
>>1285512 I do appreciate your attempts at damage control but there's no universe in which "the federal government using federal power to override states is dictatorial" isn't a pants on head retarded statement. Not sure why you would even bother bringing up the supremacy clause when all it does it bolster my argument.
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>>1285472 >Republicans don't want to force democrats to do what they say, they want to get the fuck away from them and leave them to their own devices. Child motherfucker, Roe v. Wade didn't force Republicans to get abortions and Dems live in red states.
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>>1285501 >I am a npc retard faggot with no original thoughts and can't respond to anything directly even things that directly go against me and can only seethe frantically Ftfy
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>>1285522 guess they found out
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>>1285511 That's just standard libshit fuckery
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>>1285528 Imagine becoming this indoctrinated
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>>1285510 >>1285530 If you're here for debate then you have no idea what this board is for
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>>1285517 I was speaking about the Supreme Court, you fucking idiot. Judicial activism.
Stop posting immediately if you don't understand how Roe v. Wade legislated abortion rights.
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>>1285522 >Roe v. Wade didn't force Republicans to get abortions It prohibited states from deciding the issue of abortion on the basis that abortion was a part of the natural right to privacy. So anti-abortion states were forced to accept abortion, regardless of what they actually thought or wanted.
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>>1285535 I can't help but notice you can't engage with anything I'm saying. I am criticizing the statement "The federal government enforcing federal law on states is dictatorial". The U.S. legislative branch is constitutionally enabled to draft and pass federal law not specifically reserved for states in the 10th amendment. Describing this relationship as "dictatorial" is moronic. Its actually the exact antithesis to a dictatorship . Explain why what I just said is incorrect.
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>>1285531 I'm not a libshit, tranny, or a woman or whatever retard flavor of the month sells the most so I wouldn't know
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>>1285510 Leftys are absurd at their core so it makes sense.
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>>1285545 >Explain why what I just said is incorrect. Roe v. Wade was contentious because it invented a right out of thin air and used the 14th amendment as a justification why states couldn't limit abortion. The issue didn't go through state or federal legislature, but instead went through the Supreme Court, which argued that the right to privacy was so important that no state could prohibit abortion.
This is what is commonly referred to as 'legislating from the bench', and why the Supreme Court's decision was dictatorial. The Supreme Court can use the principle of Judicial Review to unilaterally reinvent constitutional law on the fly, which is where all other branches of the US government derive their power and authority.
"Well it's not ackshually dictatorial". What a meaningless statement.
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>>1285561 >"Well it's not ackshually dictatorial". What a meaningless statement. Well, its not dictatorial in the slightest. Its childish hyperbole devoid of any kind of substance. Its perfectly fine to disagree with the Supreme Court's legal justifications for certain rulings but calling the decisions of a supreme court appointed by a democratically elected government "dictatorial" because you have some interpretive differences of the 14th amendment just seems like an attempt to infuse discourse with hysteria. Its an emotional appeal rather than a substantive one because the legal mechanics in question defy every single definition of the word dictatorship. Its a non-sequitur. It has nothing to do with the conversation. Additionally, judicial review is the cornerstone of court authority. Without it, the supreme court would be useless. I suppose I'm just not understanding how your argument isn't simply a rejection of the entire concept of a supreme court.
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>>1285564 >Its a non-sequitur That's what your mom said, but I sequit-her anyways.
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>>1285564 >Well, its not dictatorial in the slightest. You literally just admitted that an unelected body of judges determined abortion law at a national level.
>because you have some interpretive differences of the 14th amendment just seems like an attempt to infuse discourse with hysteria Yeah god forbid I criticize the highest court in the land.
You're the worst kind of bootlicker.
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>>1285570 >You literally just admitted that an unelected body of judges determined abortion law at a national level. Judges are appointed by an elected government. These judges are bound by the guidelines of a constitution. The same elected government that appointed these judges also have the power to impeach and remove them. Everything I've just described is the opposite of a dictatorship.
>Yeah god forbid I criticize the highest court in the land. Can you point to me in my post where I said or implied that you're not allowed to criticize the supreme court? I'm pretty sure what I specifically said was that your criticism is so broad and ill-defined that it seems to reject the entire concept of the supreme court existing, not the extent of their judicial power.
>You're the worst kind of bootlicker. I can see that you've now completely given up on having an intelligent, good faith conversation. That's a bit disappointing, if I'm being honest.
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>>1285569 >T. Unironic ESL retard
