Anita cannot speak or comprehend complex information. At 28, she communicates mostly with facial expressions and baby-like sounds. When excited, she washes her hands. When her periods cause cramping and pain, she moans and agitates, unable to understand.
To eliminate this monthly discomfort and ease the burden of caring for her, caregivers at an assisted-living home in Reykjavik, Iceland, recommended that Anita undergo a hysterectomy, a major surgical procedure to remove her uterus and end her periods.
Eirikur Smith, an official in Iceland’s disabilities office, discovered this plan last year during a routine visit to the home.
“Does she even know if she wants children later?” he asked.
The manager, just laughed in my face.
“‘Of course not,’ she replied. “‘Why would she ever want children?’, would a 3 yr old want children?
Eirikur was stunned at the inhumanity of the answer
When Eirikur asked Anita if She would like a little real doll to play with, Anita gave a big smile and said, "arfff!"
Forced sterilization, with its history of racism and eugenics, is banned under multiple international treaties. Thirty-seven European nations and the European Union have ratified the Istanbul Convention, which declares, without exception, that nonconsensual sterilization is a human rights violation.
But a New York Times investigation found over a third of those countries have made exceptions, often for people that the government deems too disabled to consent
The result is that people with intellectual disabilities — mostly women — are still being sterilized, even when it is not medically necessary.
https://dnyuz.com/2023/11/25/despite-bans-disabled-women-are-still-being-sterilized-in-europe/
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>>1239737 Soooo... On the one hand, she cannot comprehend the concept of reproduction, and cannot give informed consent, so getting her pregnant (disregarding for a minute how they would accomplish that), would be rape, under every legal tenant.
On the other hand, if she can't comprehend the situation and give any informed consent to sterilization, would there be any family members or legal guardian to help with the decision?
On the hand growing out of my back... I would have to question the competency of the care givers in this situation. A menstrual period is something they should be able to deal with. I am sure she pees and poops too... How were they dealing with that? Were they going to fit her with a colostomy bag??
How do they deal with these things in other patients, that are incapacitated? You don't run around sterilizing coma patients, or para and quadra-plegics, do you?!
Maybe the people who are trying to do this to her should undergo the procedure first!
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>>1239774 >You don't run around sterilizing coma patients, or para and quadra-plegics, do you?! Might wake up/you do if the consent
This is a never going to be able to consent situation. Medical decisions are made by the caregivers. Unless you have evidence they aren't doing this in their best interests I'm not seeing an argument against it.
>Maybe the people who are trying to do this to her should undergo the procedure first! They might have. My aunt and cousin have both had to do this shit. It's not exactly an unheard of procedure.
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>>1239776 Forget sterilization, what about the fact that removing her uterus has other side effects that she obviously also be properly informed of and can't consent to?
What gives her caregivers the right to trade having periods for not having a uterus any more? It causes early onset menopause and all kinds of other bad shit. Is she going to deal with hot and cold flashes and the pain and suffering from surgery better than her natural cycle? Surely the burden would have to be that this is somehow medically necessary, not just convenient?
Also, wouldn't it be their responsibility to make sure nobody is fucking her, so pregnancy shouldn't be an issue anyway? I get the feeling somebody wants to make sure she's barren and ready.
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>>1239800 >It causes early onset menopause and all kinds of other bad shit. I OP here, this is a good point that escaped me.
Some sort of birth control(if sexually active, which I doubt) or Fallopian tubes tied.
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>>1239806 Just to be clear, there are no forms of birth control that don't have at least the possibility of extreme side effects, if not consistent side effects.
Someone I know had a nuvaring birth control insert that caused an allergic reaction and formed vaginal cysts.
How do her caregivers get to make those decisions or even know how she feels about them?
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>>1239737 dang, we lost another /news/ poster
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>>1239806 Tying tubes doesn't eliminate periods at all; it only precludes pregnancy in a woman who is supposedly sexually inactive. What's the goal here exactly?
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>Her IQ isn't high enough to reproduce Just a hop skip and a jump away from>Your IQ is too low to be useful to society and you need to step into the incineration pod
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>>1239818 The answer to the incel problem
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>>1239841 Let's start with trannies and redditors, I'm sure there's plenty of overlap.
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How'd they test her IQ if she's so dumb, huh?
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>>1239895 The same way they'll figure out yours when you're inconvenient - just write down what they feel. The science.
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let the tard bleed
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>>1239800 >Forget sterilization I wasn't considering it in the first place. She can't even consent or even understand she's been sterilized. It's a nonfactor.
>what about the fact that removing her uterus has other side effects that she obviously also be properly informed of and can't consent to? So does giving her her shots. What part of "this is up to her caregivers" didn't you understand? If there's a medical benefit to the procedure and you have no evidence they aren't acting in her best interest, I'm failing to see any grounds to object.
Don't you have circumcisions you could be bitching about?
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>>1239949 >I'm failing to see any grounds to object. There are less obtrusive procedures, with side effects on the body, like tubal ligation.
Some busy body of the nanny state made this decision.
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>>1239957 >with side effects on the body, with LESS side effects on the body,
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>>1239818 Anyone who regularly goes to /pol/
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>>1239957 >tubal ligation Does nothing to treat what they're wanting to treat.
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>>1239968 >Does nothing to treat what they're wanting to treat After the procedure, you will still have your periods and have sex normally.
i stand corrected.(i'm an ignorant male,and only know bout man stuff)
Rip that utie out
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>>1239737 What is her political affiliation?
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>>1239992 im empathetic to this story then
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It must be hard for parents to take responsibility for a child like her all by themselves. If they had to go under the extreme decision of sterilization that means the burden was too heavy. The government should be responsible for taking care of these challenges individuals, placing them in the medical attention they needed to live a happy and healthy life. We can talk about eugenics and ww2 japanese tactics of birth control as much as we want, but behind a girl like her there could be two exhausted parents with no support system to rely on. They didn't ask to have her as much as she didn't ask to be born, so it's our duty as a society to reevaluate how are we treating people in a situation like hers.
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if I had a child like this in all honesty I couldn't look after them the rest of my life, I admire normies who do it, but at the same time it makes me very sad
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>>1240005 A child of 3 is a human in as much as it has the potential to grow into a functioning cognitive human.
As to this damaged woman, I don't know if she's a 'human', but to euthanize her would diminish our 'humanity', so she should be treated as a 'human'.
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>>1239949 >Circumcision is equivalent to sterilization You are retarded.
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>>1239818 And? Either happens directly or when you're drafted.
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>>1240129 >a hysterectomy is equivalent to sterilization Are you?
Anyway, from a consent standpoint, the circumcision would be worse since the person undergoing it could have consented later. And you aren't making any arguments other than consent so I just figured you dumbfucks would probably be anti-circumcision.
If you aren't, as far as I can see you're just a bunch of hypocrites upsety spaghetti over this one case for personal reasons, possibly relating to wanting to rape and impregnate the mentally disabled.
>>1239818 And don't you have some vegetable being taken off life support to be bitching about? She's not getting a hysterectomy to keep her from reproducing. There's no slippery slope here.
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I’m high off a sativa pen and bored so please forgive my choice of nomenclature: As someone who does believe in souls and God and an afterlife, as someone who leans to the right on issues like guns and free speech, I honestly am not opposed to brith control, voluntary vasectomies/hysterectomies and abortions. We are each free to live as we will per our own choices and feelings. Still, I feel revulsion when I see people online saying shit like “yeah flush that parasite XD” and “lol breeders and their spawn are so pathetic”. It’s hateful, dehumanizing. Even if a fetus isn’t a bona fide human yet, it is a given that they will become one. Abortion isn’t flushing a turd down a toilet, it’s a mercy murder used to prevent a life of abject suffering, to prevent being born to a mother who hates you or wants nothing to with you. I realize most people irl aren’t like this, and it doesn’t change my stance on the subject’s legality, but it horrible to see and hear these things coming out of smiling, rueful mouths.
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>>1239949 People who would so quickly dismiss the human rights of others deserve what happens to them if they would succeed.
If she doesn't have medical autonomy, what the fuck makes you so special?
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>>1239737 Waiting until 28 to sterilize wtf
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>>1239737 Honestly based do this for every person with an IQ below 80 in the USA and republicans will be able to bring up the country and make it a shining bastion once again.
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>>1240103 >if I had a child like this in all honesty I couldn't look after them the rest of my life, I admire normies who do it, but at the same time it makes me very sad 56 year old here, and back in the 1980s I was working for the county's "senior citizen chore service", which provided free lawn mowing in the summer and interior painting and carpet shampooing in the winter to low income seniors.
One day we went this old lady's house to shampoo her carpet and as we were moving her furniture, her seriously retarded 30-something year old daughter came out of her room, saw us and immediately started screaming like a banshee and promptly shit herself. Scared the fuck out'a us.
The mom hustled the daughter into her room to clean her up and try to calm her down but we ended up only shampooing the living room, as the daughter continued freaking out and screaming the entire time and the exasperated mom said that was good enough.
I can't imagine what kinda life the mom had, taking care of a majorly retarded child for 30+ years and however much longer the mom lived and at that point, who was going to take care of the retarded daughter?
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>>1240238 You're talking about sterilizing the republican base though
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>>1240238 literally anyone who makes less than 5.3m a year usd needs to be sterilized. only the rich deserve fulfillment, everyone else is a slave
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>>1239737 I mean, is she even getting boned and creampied?
Is she even at risk for birthing a half-Indian or half-Pakistani child?
I don't see the point.
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>>1240263 He meant Democrats
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>>1240229 >what the fuck makes you so special? What the fuck makes you think you or I have medical autonomy? Did you know you literally cannot refuse an ambulance ride if you can't sign your name? Found that shit out the hard way. Literally had a signed note pulled out instructing them to not take me, and they told me if I couldn't X on the dotted line, they'd take me anyway. Dragged me out of my second day of Chemistry at college.
People make medical decisions for others viewed in that moment incapable of coherently acting in their own best interests all the fucking time. I suppose in your world unconscious car crash victims are just left to die cause they can't sign off on jack shit?
If there's a medical benefit, they're acting within the law, and there's no evidence of malicious intent, you have no god damn argument.
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>>1240381 >Spastic left-wing Atheist hates God and all his children. Sorry you're outraged, spaz.
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>>1240388 I'm a devout Christian and you're the fuckwit wanting a woman to suffer unnecessarily because of some sort of rape fetish.
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>>1240381 >If there's a medical benefit, they're acting within the law, and there's no evidence of malicious intent, you have no god damn argument. You've definitely got some shit backwards. Ever heard of the Hippocratic oath? The idea that "maybe it's a medical benefit, so let's give it a shot without any consent" is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever in my life.
And just because you have some condition where you can't sign your name for an ambulance or something doesn't mean everyone else automatically doesn't have the right to determine their own medical care. Fuckwit.
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Anita gave a big smile and said, "arfff!" My sides
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>>1240400 >Ever heard of the Hippocratic oath? Yes. It forbade surgery. Modern doctors follow modern medical codes of ethics which this conforms to.
>And just because you have some condition where you can't sign your name for an ambulance or something doesn't mean everyone else automatically doesn't have the right to determine their own medical care. If she doesn't want the procedure she can say so. Oh wait, she can't because she doesn't understand what is happening to her. Which is why other people have medical power of attorney over her and are, as far as you can prove, acting in her best interest to go forward with the fucking procedure. Go fuck yourself.
You wouldn't know the first damn thing about medical ethics if Asclepius himself sent you a divine oracle.
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>>1240005 >>1240103 >>1240251 I know two families that have severely mentally disabed children and have been taking care of them for ~20 years each.
From what I can tell, it's extremely difficult, and they are dedicated to them 24/7 (not that parents shouldn't be normally, but this is high-intensive caretaking 24/7).
Completely changing their daily schedule, countless doctors visits, never being able to go on vacation, altered diets, etc. But, it's family, so it's not like there's any other option that they'd be satisfied with.
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>>1240895 >Hippocratic oath forbids surgery You are retarded. The Hippocratic oath prevents any medical treatment that isn't necessary and of obvious benefit to the patient. It doesn't matter if the patient has difficulty communicating or even comprehending. If the patient can't give informed consent, you don't perform medical treatment without it. Fucking retard.
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>>1239818 >mental 3 year olds with congenital retardation should be able to create and care for their very own tard kids! Explain to me how this is in any way a good idea that doesn't involve
>NEXT THEY'LL BE PUTTING YOU AGAINST THE WALL FOR THE WRONG COLOR HAIR!!!!!!!!1!1!11!!!!!!!!!!11! Anonymous
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>>1241092 Yes, the hippocratic oath forbade surgery.
>I will not use the knife, not even, verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein. It took first do no harm to a stupid extreme. There is a fucking reason modern doctors don't recite that shit. When the fuck do you think Hippocrates lived?
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>>1240229 >If she doesn't have medical autonomy, what the fuck makes you so special? I don't have the mental capacity of a rat terrier. Do you believe that parrots should have medical autonomy over their bodies? Because that's exactly what she is: a giant, hairy parrot.
>inb4 b-but she hooooman! So are children, but they don't experience full human rights. I don't see how she's any different.
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>>1240265 >literally anyone who has a 4chan account needs to be sterilized. only the normies deserve fulfillment, everyone else is redundant Anonymous
There was a girl who was the daughter of one of my customers that house I could construction work on. Both were really nice and one day at the end of the work day I sat around there and talked with them both. The woman was in her early fifties the daughter mid 20s but she was clearly a bit simple. But she could carry on a conversation was very nice, and I found myself getting attracted to her, she had freckles and nice figure Etc and a gold at the jokes I told that she understood. I left went home, and since my wife was around that evening I masturbated heart thinking about her. Little did I know the girl felt the same about me and told her mom how she felt about me and particularly in detail. Just before long weekend, the mother called me up and asked me what I planned. My wife was going to be away that weekend visiting your parents and I was going to stare around and just do a bit of yard work. Cheered me to come along as they had a big cabin to go and recreate at and would like some company. Me being a bit bored, I agreed to it finding her attractive and possibly I might do something with her. I packed clothes shorts, and a swimsuit plus some other closed lounge around in. Brody what are you doing down there I met at their house with my suitcase as we'd agree to drive her vehicle there. She drove for a bit at first but said she was a bit tired so I swapped with her to drive for the last 2 hours, and she probably fell asleep in the back. Or at least appeared to.. Elizabeth and I started talking a bit more, and the conversation quickly got into personal territory. I kept sneaking glasses at her mother in the backseat hoping that you was truly asleep. Lizzy did notice this and said that all my mother falls asleep really hard on trips she won't wake up until somebody shakes her awake. With that she got straight to the point of why she wanted to talk to me without her mom present. She glanced at my shorts and said I appeared to have quite a dick.
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>>1242378 She said she had very nice press so she fished them out over top so I could look at them while I was driving. I was worried about other people seeing it but she didn't seem to pay any attention. Her mother in fact was now fully reclined in the back seat and I could hear her snoring. Wanting to prolong the conversation and anything that happened I deliberately drove slower, not risking jostling the car around curves waking her mother. The nipples actually were really nice, and she minded me with one of her fingers and spread saliva around point of it getting it nice and hard. I was sitting there in the driver seat feeling uncomfortable definitely getting erection in my thin shorts. Lizzy noticed this and said you see it is pretty big. With the ice broken in her breasts out, we start talking about our our sexual experiences. I just gotten out of a relationship of a year with a woman. And she talked about a boy that she saw the camp retreat, they fooled around a bit but couldn't really do very much as there were too many people around watching and they had no privacy as they went and slept in same sex residences. I asked her how she knew about sex and she told me that her mom had to explain the birds and the bees to her and she'd understood most of it, and she also had some simple children's books on sex. She reached down to her bag on the floor and pulled one or two out of them. Showing them to me probably cover and I could see the dog ears on the pages that were her favorites.
Judging from the languages and the layout of the photos come I guess this was from scandinavia, and it was pretty explicit, showing everything. She talked about a girl that she had on a sleepover and they had had sex in her bed and the other girl's bed when they were over there. She said her favorite part of that was having the girl lie on top of her with a full body weight and fingering her. She said it was so good that she almost came but she had to finish herself off.
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>>1242379 She asked if I had any stuff like that happen with guys and I said the head. She listened with wrapped attention, and one hand in your shorts fingering herself while I told her. She clearly had a few orgasms while I was telling her. Shifting her weight around, I'm licking your fingers again and again. Before putting them back into herself. I told her about a boy I started sucking off after a fateful sleepover, and that turned into me going over his house most everyday after school to give him another one. She asked what it tasted like and I said his cum tasted fine just a little bitter. She asked if the boy had ever fucked me up the ass and I told her my next two boyfriends did that. One was a teaching assistant about 10 years older than me, and the other guy was a 29-year-old I met when I was 13 and found a cruising site by accident. She didn't know what a cruising site was, so I told her and she said that sounded really exciting to watch other guys do things and said that it was. I asked her if any guys had ever stuck their penises into her and she said that they had but it was kind of uneventful as she was a bit dry and she didn't really enjoy it all that much. But they still came in her. Her mother had found out about all of this, it took her to a doctor and she went on the pill after his determined that she didn't get pregnant by these encounters. Chelsea told me that her mother had bought her a few sex toys, and that every so often she'd go online and try to find ones that she liked and would tell her mother about them quite often she would get her something. She said she had a fair size box of them under her bed, along with a couple of bottles of. She said that one thing she liked or some of the hair brushes she used to have and it would she would vigorously fuck herself in the vagina with them until she was creamy mess and your hair brush was soaked with a juice. Her mother found out about this, so she made her foot condoms over them, cuz these
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>>1242380 Hair brushes were pretty expensive. She said though that there was one that she didn't do this for because the bristles were those plastic ones with a little knobs on the end and we're pretty gentle. She reached into her bag to show me which one that was. It was pretty unremarkable, I purplish plastic handle with the rubber strip front and back for grip. And all told the thing was about a bit over 2 in in diameter.
With that, she pulled her underwear and shorts down blowing knees and spread her legs so could she could shove it inside while I watched. All the time I could hear her mother in the back snoring, but I was glancing over as often as I could cuz I was still driving. She did it slowly on the first couple of insertions and withdrawals but picked up the pace a little bit after that I asked her how it felt and she said that sometimes she would thrust it all the way in and then leave it in overnight and wake up and finish yourself off because she liked how sensitive made her vagina feel. Sure enough, when she pulled it out this time it was quite sticky with moisture and it even clung to her and long threads before she shoved it back in she touched her clit with the other hand while the right hand pump this thing in and out of her. The black bristles slowly becoming covered in your juice. I had to admit I like that sensation myself when I anally masturbated, getting a rubber sleeve for a white plastic vibrator and bottle long time ago and really enjoying it until I lost it during a move and never replaced it.
I asked her if she was going to come from this right there and she said that she already had come a few times but was keeping quiet so she wouldn't wake her mother up. She always tried to be quiet she said because she didn't want her mother telling her to keep it down. She said her other favorite thing to do was use the shower massager on herself
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>>1242381 After couple of more minutes of doing this, and possibly a few more orgasms it was difficult to tell, she pulled it out wrapped it in a cloth and put it away in her bag again. She pulled up her underwear and her shorts, but left them on buttoned so she could keep fingering yourself while we talked. She asked me flat out what it was like to get fucked in the ass and she hadn't done that. I told her it depended on how much time they took, I said that the best time was when they had a whole afternoon or night to get used to each other and take the time to relax and prepare. She asked me flat out what about all the poo in there? I told her I usually had an enema early in the day so it might even be nice and cleaned out. I had to explain what an enema was.
She asked me if I'd ever done that to women or guys and I said that I had but tomorrow women than men. I told him I last girlfriend really enjoyed it because she liked the doggy style and being able to easily rubber clitoris while I was doing it. I told her sometimes she'd also stick a big dildo in her vagina to make it nice and tight for both of us.
I told her about my final mail boyfriend when I was a teenager, follow me on a cruising spot when I found two guys having blowjobs and he stopped next to me to watch as well and we rubbed each other while this was going on. And then he took me back to his place of business for the rest of the day to have me give oral to him and then have him fuck me up the ass. She asked if that was a bit of a mess cuz I didn't prepare and I said it wasn't that time but sometimes it can be if I don't prepare.
We talked about a few other things, fantasies etc etc. I told her that I had quite a number of dildos about two dozen some quite large. I hadn't brought any long cuz I hadn't expected this to be that kind of trip I told her. I told her that one of the longest ones I had was about the size and length of my forearm.