Just in case there was anyone on /news/ still unsure if Putin was an evil dictator and tyrant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/30/lgbt-russia-movement-extremist-banned/ RIGA, Latvia — Russia’s Supreme Court on Thursday banned the “international LGBT public movement” as an extremist organization — even though the alleged movement has no organizational structure, leaders, membership, website or address.
While seemingly preposterous — given that there is no such organized movement — the Russian ban nonetheless could have sweeping implications for LGBTQ+ people in Russia. It could be used to prosecute any LGBTQ+ organization, activity, communication or mutual support initiative, including those online.
While critics called the ruling legal nonsense, the Kremlin appears to be banking on global homophobia as a unifying ideology that will align intolerant countries — particularly in the Middle East and Africa — against the liberal West.
In many Middle Eastern and African nations, homosexuality is illegal. Anti-LGBTQ+ polices have long been a populist cause, for example in Uganda, which criminalized same-sex relationships earlier this year, including imposing a potential death penalty for “aggravated” homosexuality.
The ruling, which was delivered in a closed hearing, shocked liberal Russians, and prominent independent Russian media organizations on Thursday displayed the rainbow flag on their social media pages in solidarity with LGBTQ+ people.
Judge Oleg Nefedov ordered that the ban, which followed a motion to the court from the Justice Ministry, come into effect immediately.
The ban will probably force LGBTQ+ groups to operate in secret and could be used against LGBTQ+ people, although the legal implications remain far from clear.
Activists said Russian authorities were using the court system to criminalize and persecute LGBTQ+ people.
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A striking element of the ban is its sweeping, amorphous nature, raising uncertainty about what actions and organizations may be targeted as extremist. It is a form of legal obscurantism often used by the regime of President Vladimir Putin, sowing confusion and fear about how to avoid arrest and, potentially, prison. Renat Davletgildeev, an LGBTQ+ activist, journalist and author of the Russian Telegram channel Gay Dynamite, called the ruling “absurd, extrajudicial, illegal.” Davletgildeev said the case resembled the absurdist writings of Franz Kafka, Eugène Ionesco or Samuel Beckett. “But this is not the reality in which we exist,” he said. “I can’t fit it in my mind.” “The illegality of this whole process was observed from the first days,” Davletgildeev said. “We sent both individuals and legal entities a petition to the Supreme Court asking to be made interested parties. We have all been denied.” A ban could force the disbanding of rights groups such as Delo LGBT+, which provides legal advocacy for queer people in court; Center T, a group representing transgender people; the Russian LGBT Network; and others. Activists who try to support LGBTQ+ people could be charged and imprisoned for 10 years. Individual participants in the movement could face six-year terms. The wording of the Justice Ministry motion implied that LGBTQ+ people are part of a shadowy global organization with extremist goals set on harming Russia. The Kremlin has long asserted that the West, particularly the United States and its European allies, are enemies of so-called traditional family values and are responsible for promoting “decadent” lifestyles. None of the arguments or evidence presented to the court by the Justice Ministry were public, nor was any legal representative of LGBTQ+ organizations permitted to appear to argue against a ban. The court denied an application by representatives of the Russian LGBT Network and others to appear as interested parties.
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The secrecy around the court hearing reinforced fear and anger in Russia’s LGBTQ+ communities that authorities are using the judicial system to sow hatred against them, and to smear them as representing “decadent” Western values. One Russian LGBTQ+ Telegram channel, Guys+, called the judgment a “parody” and an “attempt by the state to humiliate LGBTQ+ people and recognize them as second-class citizens.” “The trial of all of us is taking place without us,” the group said on Telegram. A Russian cultural magazine, Discourse, announced its solidarity with LGBTQ+ people and said it plans to publish underground material in support of them. The ban comes after two previous repressive Russian laws against LGBTQ+ people: a ban on “LGBT propaganda,” which criminalized the spread of any information about LGBTQ+ identities, and a ban on gender transition — both changing a person’s sex in official documents, as well as the use of surgery or hormones. It comes as Putin is pressing a regressive agenda of “traditional” values, with growing restrictions on abortion and officials urging women’s careers and education to be put aside in favor of having many babies at a young age. Putin has frequently attacked transgender people and parental or marital rights for LGBTQ+ people as alien to what he calls the “Russian world.” However, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday that the Kremlin was not tracking the controversial court case. Davletgildeev, the activist and journalist, said that because the hearing was conducted in secret, it was not clear what might constitute extremist behavior. “A gay-okay T-shirt, or a rainbow keychain, or an LGBT Instagram account or a social media post — we don’t know.”
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Russian LGBTQ+ organizations were scrambling to publish advice on how people can protect themselves in an environment where the legal implications were murky. Davletgildeev advised LGBTQ+ Russians to flee the country, and called on international rights organizations to help people from those groups find refuge outside Russia. Pro-Kremlin analyst Yevgeny Minchenko raised doubts about the Justice Ministry motion in comments posted on Telegram before the Supreme Court endorsed the motion to ban the international LGBTQ+ movement: “Is there such an organization? Is it possible to join it? Is there a charter, a program, a leadership and so on? It seems to me that if we are talking about an extremist organization, it must have the characteristics of such an organization,” he wrote. Minchenko said the legal implications of the ruling were unclear: “Will its nonexistent offices be shut down? There are more questions than answers to the situation.” Russia’s Supreme Court last year recognized an online movement praising the 1999 Columbine shooting as a terrorist organization, and in 2020 it recognized a Russian youth gang movement, AUE, as extremist.
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>>1241271 >>1241272 >>1241274 >>1241276 I absolutely LOVE your butthurt, faggot. I can tell you that there was a huge party in Russia today. Finally, alphabetic trash is banned. We hope that sodomy will be criminalized soon. This bio-trash belongs either to prison or mental hospitals. Western civilization is falling, economically, politically and socially. This is obvious to everyone, and sodomy is only one of the characteristic signs of your degeneration. Russia and China, as healthy countries with healthy societies kick out your beloved pedophilic fags, and all you can do is whine on Tw... Reddit, because you lost Twitter, losers, and you will keep losing untill all countries outlaw you ;)))))
THIS IS WHAT REAL DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE, FAGGOT, WE FUCKING HATE YOUR FAGS, TRANNIES AND FEMISHIZOIDS, YOU DISGUSTING PIECE OF DEGENERATE SHIT!
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>>1241298 You still haven't beaten Ukraine btw.
theonebeautifulanon hatesitsself
>>1241298 The self loathing of this anon really shows,
God made you this way anon.
Anything that God made is beautiful.
You are beautiful, anon:>)
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>>1241309 Ukraine keeps self-killing on our minefields and fortified areas while we do nothing. Nice deal.
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>>1241314 Are you schizophrenic? I wrote I hate fags and we are all happy they are banned. Go take your pills, idiot
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>>1241298 China is falling apart but outside of that, this.
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>>1241326 2022 GDP growth
China: 3 %
USA: 2.1%
China is clearly falling apart but only in liberal wet dreams
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>>1241335 China is an authoritarian nightmare state. Human rights, democracy, and the will of the people will always triumph over tyranny.
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>>1241335 Imagine thinking GDP growth is how you measure the quality of life and overall geopolitical functionality of a country.
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>>1241337 >Human rights, democracy, and the will of the people will always triumph over tyranny. So many liberal buzzwords that mean nothing. You are a victim of propaganda, open your eyes and see how much progress China has made in recent decades and what degradation has happened to the United States. Also note that many Chinese students who come to study in the US continue to support their country and are even accused of "spying." They are not impressed by the dumbocracy&retards rights TM, because it is all empty BS.
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>>1241346 I'm sorry you've been so brainwashed by authoritarian strongmen you actually WANT to be enslaved. I'll still fight for your rights all the same.
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>>1241340 >measure the quality of life China poverty rate for 2019 was 24.70%, a 3.4% decline from 2018.
China poverty rate for 2018 was 28.10%, a 3.9% decline from 2017.
China poverty rate for 2017 was 32.00%, a 2.2% decline from 2016.
China poverty rate for 2016 was 34.20%, a 3.7% decline from 2015.
CCP won poverty.
>overall geopolitical functionality Tell me about America's great geopolitical victories in recent years. Also explain your media hysteria about China buying up everything in Africa and expanding its influence.
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>>1241348 >no arguments, denies reality, coping LOL
>I'll still fight for your rights all the same. No, please, fuck off, that's what the whole world is telling you: fuck off, sit quitely on your continent and let us live our lives without your freedom bombs, NGOs and faggots
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>>1241351 you're a pretty mouthy china shill. we don't see that often
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>>1241351 >CCP won poverty If the battle was with themselves, sure. I don't really know how to have an economic conversation with someone who thinks throwing out like two stats is a logical way of comparing global super powers, especially when one of those super powers is state capitalist authoritarians. Whatever love affair you have with China is your business. I don't really give a shit.
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>>1241271 Absolute LOL at the first two paragraphs. Get owned libshit commies.
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>>1241274 >“attempt by the state to humiliate LGBTQ+ people and recognize them as second-class citizens.” LOL no one can humiliate LGBT people more than nature did. They ARE ill perverts and second-class citizens. Keep crying
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>>1241271 It's about time someone banned LGBT extremism.
It stopped being funny a decade ago.
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>>1241271 >LGBTQ+ movement nope. they banned only an extremist organization..
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>>1241298 >this is what constitutes as a Republican win in 2023 Man you guys have had a rough couple decades, you know?
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>>1241603 maybe you should move to russia so your life can be thrown away with little thought and no recourse
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>>1241604 maybe you should volunteer to help Ukraine annex majority ethnic Russian regions of Crimea, Donetsk, Kherson, Lugansk and Zaporozhye
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>>1241673 >why yes, i am a russia shill Anonymous
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>>1241414 Lol what? What Republicans have to do with this? I explicitely said I am Russian. I don't care about your internal oligarchy games.
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>>1241354 I just gave you stats. Maybe if you focused a little less on faggots and a little more on your economy, a third-world country wouldn't outperform you.
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>>1241359 >no, economic stats are a bad indication! You should believe China is falling because muh authoritarians always lose in Hollywood! You are so pathetic. Okay, give me "the right" indicator;)
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>>1241682 >stating facts means you're a shill I don't give a shit about the Ukraine, but let's not pretend it isn't a stupid war and Ukraine isn't the aggressor. They should have just let ethnic Russians have independence, they're supposed to be a democracy not Genghis Khan.
I also don't give a shit about America. If America were like it was in the 1940s and I were raised in a high trust white picket fence community, I'd sign up to fight after Pearl Harbor. Instead I was born to a single mother in a crime ridden ghetto, so fuck you and fuck troons. None of you give a shit about the collapse of western society and trad values, so why should I give a shit about your nonproblems?
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>>1241732 >i'm not racist, but tldr
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>>1241732 >Ukraine >the aggressor What the fuck are you talking about?
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https://youtu.be/zwchKPjGO1E?si=9dFv7Gq_pJyjfiQe Putin the fox. But most of 'his people' look to have faith in him still. His attitude toward LGBTQ, to some extent people in western coutries might support
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>>1241732 >They should have just let ethnic Russians have independence What independence? Russia has claimed everywhere they control? What god damn nation on earth would let part of their territory join another nation? If the people in Ukraine wanted to live in Russia, they could fuck off to Russia.
I hate motherfuckers that equate independence movements with treasonous land grabs.
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>>1241752 Fortunately no one needs to ask your permission. Ukraine will be a fraction of the "country" it once was once this over, if it's lucky to still exist at all. Your men are dead/dying, and your roasties are gone and never coming back.
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>>1241766 Good post Ivan. Double rations for you!.
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>>1241773 >ivanposting in the year of our lord Time for bed anon. By the time you wake up tomorrow ukraine will have reclaimed Crimea
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>>1241322 forgive yourself, man. youve spent enough time hating because you hate yourself. youre not getting any pleasure from this, and you know it
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>>1241779 Physician heal thyself. You're not wanted everywhere. Go to a different restaurant.
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>>1241271 LGBT and women's rights are the two least important things in the world. They're simply red herrings to distract you from national policies that are important. Same with abortion, completely unimportant issue but it is the number one concern for idiots.
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>>1241790 Actually we'll be able to solve nearly all the LGBT issues and most left wing activism using abortion once the gay gene is found.
It's pretty important it remains unrestricted.
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>>1241298 'Pedophilia is announced as a normal thing in the West'
-Vladimir Putin
In Soviet Russia...:
https://www.military.com/video/off-duty/odd/akward-moments-with-vladimir-putin/3129473236001 ...pedophilia is a normal thing with you.
No anon, you are the groomers.
...and then
>>1241298 was a hypocritical zombie with terminal buttpain.
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>>1241682 >why yes, i am a ukiraine shill and a faggot Anonymous
>>1241746 The war started in 2014 when Ukraine sent army to Donbass to smash protestors. Hohols are the real agressors. Happy waking up
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>>1241823 >>1241826 Looks like Ivan is seething again
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>>1241271 hopefully Putin begins rounding those sick / society rotters up and jails them. lgbt has infiltrated our universities and has educated a new generation of teachers who seek to indoctrinate our children, and do. liberal states with liberal lenient governments allow them to continue.
they get worse with every year. before they're expulsion from twitter, lbgt sickos would post about their exploits within the education system. tricking parents to bring their children to drag shows and have mentally ill men in drag, show themselves for money, taking hand outs like strippers. wacked out parents dressing their male children in girls clothing.
lgbt is a sickness, not something to have pride about, and it's definitely not something that should be legalized.
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>>1241271 meanwhile Ukraine requires transwomen to register for the draft, because nobody ACTUALLY believes that transwomen are women. The LGBTQ+ movement is a sham and they know it.
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>>1241837 >hopefully Putin begins rounding those sick / society rotters up and jails them In that case, he can start with himself:
>>1241818 Anonymous
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>>1241844 Your opinion is a sham, and seething hypocritical subhuman bigots (
>>1241818 ) know it
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>>1241844 Your opinion is a sham, and seething projecting hypocritical subhuman bigots (such as Putin
>>1241818 and his pedo enabler cocksuckers such as
>>1241844 ) know it
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>>1241844 Is that why there are no transwomen or transmen in ukraine. Is it there huge lack of lgbt freedoms were they rank 200 in
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>>1241298 What a retarded little faggot you are lmao
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>>1241779 Is that what your psychologist told you at the gay conversion hospital? You don't need to share this with us.
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>>1241832 This post was literally created because you westoid fags can't contain your seethe anymore lol.
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>>1241818 >>1241845 >>1241850 Oh wow Putin kissed a kid, he is surely a pedo now let's forget about the "Minor Attracted Person" normalization in the west and just run around shitposting about HEY PUTIN KISSED A KID EVERYONE LOOK HERE. Do your work at CNN? Your distraction propaganda attempts are even shittier than theirs. Although I appreciate that you implicitly acknowledged that homosexuality = pedophilia.
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>>1241859 faggot copium
You will be exterminated
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>>1243245 Homosexuality is a human right.