https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/01/19/alexandria-zoning-housing-lawsuit-residents/ Alexandria residents sue city to preserve single-family-only zoning
An Alexandria civic group created last year to preserve the city’s single-family neighborhoods has moved its fight to court, suing local officials this week over a controversial vote that opened up those areas to duplexes and other small apartment buildings.
The lawsuit, filed in Alexandria Circuit Court this week, argues that the Northern Virginia city violated its charter as well as the Virginia Constitution by loosening zoning rules last year for its more suburban residential areas but failing to adequately study how those changes would the impact the real estate market or the city’s infrastructure.
The city’s plan, which allows for buildings with as many as four units on any residential lot, was approved unanimously in November by Alexandria City Council under a package of changes labeled “Zoning for Housing” effort. The end of single-family-only zoning drew the most attention — and the most intense debate.
In bid for more housing, Alexandria ends single-family-only zoning
While officials had cast the wide-ranging initiative as an effort to lower costs by adding more housing, the plaintiffs — including the Coalition for a Livable Alexandria and nine homeowners — allege in the lawsuit that the city failed to show how ending single-family zoning would result in less expensive housing options or boost diversity in some neighborhoods.
Roy Byrd, the chair of the Coalition for a Livable Alexandria, said the suit was “the first step in protecting the due process and property rights of all Alexandria residents against unlawful, discriminatory actions taken by the city of Alexandria."
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Byrd, who owns a single-family, three-bedroom house in the Clover College Park neighborhood, said in a news release that the zoning change was a “misguided attempt to rewrite zoning regulations for housing.” The defendants named in the lawsuit are the city of Alexandria, the city council and the city’s planning commission. Ebony Fleming, a city spokeswoman, said in a statement that the “Zoning for Housing initiative was adopted in accordance with applicable law and the city is prepared to vigorously defend the amendments in court.” Mayor Justin M. Wilson (D) declined to comment on pending litigation but said: “We are extremely confident in both the legality as well as the policy alignment of the decisions that we made.” Nathan Macek, the planning commission chair, declined to comment. (The planning commission is an advisory body whose votes are not binding and whose members are appointed by the city council.) Amid soaring housing costs that local officials attribute to a lack of housing supply, the city pitched its “Zoning for Housing” effort as a wide-ranging attempt to add to that supply. (The median home price in Alexandria was just under $600,000 last month, with the median single-family homes going for more than $800,000.) Alexandria’s effort mirrors a similar push by at least four states and a growing number of localities — including in nearby Arlington County — to roll back single-family zoning laws, an increasingly popular idea among city planners and urbanist groups who point out those laws were first implemented to keep out people of color.
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But those efforts have generated intense pushback nearly everywhere they have been considered, dividing residents over whether they would diversify their neighborhoods or destroy what makes them special. The lawsuit also charges that no studies were conducted to examine how increased density might affect traffic, schools, first responders or sewer pipes — in violation of the Alexandria city charter and city’s comprehensive plan. Without spelling out the arguments in detail, it also claims that the city did not provide proper notice regarding the November vote and that it violates the Virginia constitution — in part because it allegedly deprives Burks, who is African American, of equal protection “by moving the goal post as to land ownership.” Father Santi Rodriguez, a member of the interfaith advocacy group VOICE — which had advocated for city council to pass the zoning change — said it was not discriminatory to eliminate single-family-only zoning. Rather, he said, it would help make Alexandria a more inclusive city. Rodriguez, the associate rector at Grace Episcopal Church, said skyrocketing rents and housing prices meant that some families, including in his own congregation, were being forced to move farther away from the city. “We have people who cannot afford to buy or rent a home here,” said Rodriguez, who owns a two-bedroom townhouse in Strawberry Hill. “These changes shape the type of housing supply. They will in time lower the demand, which then will create a path to more affordable housing.”
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>implying immigrants can afford houses More people wanting shit doesn't increase demand. More people wanting shit and being able to afford it increases demand. Fucking millennials can't even afford housing and you think refugees can?
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>>1259010 If there's any founding principle of the United States, it's the government telling people what they can and can't do with their own property.
aint no GOPee gonna snatch my Bodee
>>1259010 I's rather be a Dem podperson, than living in a tent any day.
Republicans want us to die out of sight in the cold, and then burn our bodies and use the ashes for cabbage fertilizer.
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>>1259010 zoning is stupid.
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>>1259070 Zoning is the only reason you're not living next a duplex, triplex, or quadriplex. Do you want a filthy duplex, triplex, or quadriplex next to you?
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>>1259010 I'M OUTRAGED!!1 THEY OUGHT TO APOLOGIZE!11
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>>1259061 >Literally all immigrants are homeless How many times do we have to have this argument with you idiots? First of all, the rental market affects the housing market. And many immigrants or children of immigrants do buy houses.
Millennials can't buy houses because they vote against their own economic interests.
>>1259064 I'd rather live in a single family home which is what you could have done too if we hadn't spent decades flooding the country
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>>1259010 Zoning was a mistake. Just let people live wherever they want. Let them sort it out.
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>>1259090 no, fuck you. I like my quiet suburb. If Democrats want overcrowded crime-filled shitholes, let them have it, but why force it on me?
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>>1259090 > just let Wall Street build pig farms, toxic waste dumps and commie-block migrant hives next to my house. Anonymous
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>>1259061 We're going to be living in pods and eating bug sandwiches anon.
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>>1259061 >being able to afford it This is the average /news/ poster, huh?
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>>1259142 He's right you know
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>>1259151 No, you aren't, samefag.
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>>1259061 Being able to afford it or not doesn't effect an inherant want. I don't want health insurance, nor can afford it, but because I'm of age then I'm lumped into the demand quantity. Greed controls this country and both parties benefit from it, so we're fucked.
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>>1259159 Not him but he is actually right
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>>1259160 You seem like you want it, and you can afford it.
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>>1259161 >Giffen goods are reals! Anonymous
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>>1259071 Its called the free market, feudalist.
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>>1259064 You’re gonna shit when I say this, I’m a straight white GenX man who owns his own home. I was born in to poverty and through not having kids out of marriage and not getting arrested I’m able to have a better life than my parents and grand parents.
Why are millennials so entitled and lazy?
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>>1259010 The one issue both sides of the political aisle can bond over is wanting to complain about homelessness but do nothing about it.
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>>1259213 >I’m a straight white GenX man who owns his own home. If you bought your house around 1995, wages have increased about 20% and house prices have doubled since then. For a millennial to buy a house now would be the equivalent of a GenXer buying two houses.
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>>1259218 Well according to this chart by pew research, your wrong, because avg wages doubled since 1995 and assuming home prices doubled, that exactly fits within the other line on this chart which suggests overall purchasing power stayed constant over the decades
https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=304888 Are you just some angry fucking broke ass millennial or something?
I'm right on the split between gen z and millennial and own 3 properties, buying a 4th in about a year (but will be selling 1 to buy it).
No, I'm not from a wealthy family either. Parents have like no savings and the next house I'm purchasing is to move them in with me because they won't be able to financially take care of themselves in retirement
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>>1259218 sounds like Millennials should stop voting against their economic interest and start voting to close the border. We have a finite amount of land you know
>>1259215 this isn't about homelessness, which is caused by mental illness and drug use. Schizo druggies will be homeless no matter what. This is about whether people should live in a pod or if they should own a single family home. And thisis not a "both sides" issues since most millennials are voting for Democrats who want the pod while conservatives want single family homes.
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>>1259227 >sounds like Millennials should stop voting against their economic interest and start voting to close the border. We have a finite amount of land you know do you think they're all raring to go work as seasonal migrants and janitors?
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>>1259229 Other countries don't have our migration crisis and yet they somehow fill those jobs by paying good wages. And housing would be a lot more affordable if we didn't have to also house the 100 million immigrants and their children that you voted to import.
If you want to live in a pod then do it but why are you complaining if that's what you voted for?
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>>1259229 I think they're all raring to buy houses in a housing market that had half as many people in it, which is what would happen if we didn't spend decades importing migrants because rich people wanted to drive housing costs up. Just read the OP pic.
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>>1259224 >Well according to this chart by pew research, your wrong, because avg wages doubled since 1995 If you use a chart without adjusting for inflation, wages have doubled but house prices have jumped 3.3x since 1995.
>Are you just some angry fucking broke ass millennial or something? I work in tech, so I'm one of the richest millenials around. But I can't imagine how you'd do it making US median wage.
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>>1259235 >And housing would be a lot more affordable if we didn't have to also house the 100 million immigrants and their children that you voted to import. There aren't 100 million immigrants in the U.S., nobody imported them and they aren't the reason housing isn't more affordable. Its incredible how your entire opinion is built on incorrect shit you absorbed from conservative media. You have this super strong opinion about a topic you know fuck all about.
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>>1259227 >This is about whether people should live in a pod or if they should own a single family home. That's not what its about at all. I have no idea where this schizoid "live in a pod" conservative meme came from but it has no foundation in reality. I have no clue how you people got all this confidence engaging with this topic when you don't even know what it is your opposition believes.
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>>1259265 >There aren't 100 million immigrants in the U.S. there are 50 million immigrants, and if you include the children and grandchildren of immigrants from the past 40 years or so we would easily be at 100 million which means that recent immigration has resulted in an additional 100 million people being here.
>an additional 100 million people has no effect on the demand for housing it's incredible how your entire opinion is built on incorrect shit you absorbed from indoctrination by public schools and social media. You have this super strong opinion about a topic you know fuck all about. It's even more incredible given that we've had this same thread dozens of times and these same facts have been shared every time, so this is either your first time on /news/ or you already know that you're wrong and continue being wrong anyway.
>>1259266 >we don't want everybody to live in a pod! >we just want everybody to live in a 350 sqft studio apartment that they don't own okay thank you for clearing that up
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>>1259277 >there are 50 million immigrants, and if you include the children and grandchildren of immigrants from the past 40 years or so we would easily be at 100 million which means that recent immigration has resulted in an additional 100 million people being here. None of this is correct. You lied about the number being 100 million and when you got caught in your lie you back pedaled and revised it with your own personal method of counting the immigrant population that nobody but you uses. The 49 million includes both legal and illegal and the census definition of immigrant is "foreign born". The 49 million number is not "recent". That's another thing you made up. How is it you feel so strongly about this thing and you know absolutely nothing about it?
>You have this super strong opinion about a topic you know fuck all about. It's even more incredible given that we've had this same thread dozens of times and these same facts have been shared every time, so this is either your first time on /news/ or you already know that you're wrong and continue being wrong anyway. Project all you want. We all can see you're full of shit. Even you know it. That's why you moved the goalposts of your claim from "Immigrants are the reason housing is not more affordable" alllll the way back to "immigrants have an impact on housing demand". That's a great sign of someone having no argument - immediately abandoning it and moving the goalposts the second you're challenged on it.
>we just want everybody to live in a 350 sqft studio apartment that they don't own Yeah, I don't know where this meme came from. You've never heard any mainstream or even c-list Democrat politician say this. You've invented a strawman of Democrats in your head created entirely by far-right propaganda. Its very wild to me you have this super strong political stance and you actually can't articulate in any fashion what your opposition believes. You have absolutely no clue.
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>>1259266 >I have no idea >I have no clue Agreed
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>>1259293 Can you provide a link to a statement, speech, hearing, bill or piece of legislation of any kind where Democrats talk about wanting people to live in pods? The only people I've heard talk about this are /pol/ schizos. They swear up and down this is what the left wants but can't provide a single shred of evidence that this is the case. All you have to do to instantly BTFO me is just post a source. Evidence of any kind. Seeing as how dumb and clueless I am it should be easy. I'll wait.
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>>1259294 Nta but the pod thing is just meming on the globalist neoliberal collective WEF. The WEF regularly releases pro-dystopia propaganda about bug eating and pod living.
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>>1259297 What year did "globalist" become a trigger word for the right? Was it 2008-9?
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>>1259300 Probably around that time. Globalization has ramped up significantly over the last decade.
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>>1259308 Globalism used to be a right wing platform plank. Nixon opened up trade to China and Japan while Reagan and Bush gave them MFN trade status. It's around the time Ron Paul invented the tea party it became a dirty word.
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this is for the developer chads who can sell x4 $250,000 condos on a $250,000 lot. Stay mad
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>>1259330 This is true. Then Democrats went full globalism as well in the 90s.
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>>1259160 Inherent want isn't what demand in an economic sense measures.
>In economics, demand is the quantity of a good that consumers are willing and able to purchase at various prices during a given time. >>1259142 I'm right you know
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>>1259088 >First of all, the rental market affects the housing market. There isn't a dearth of available rental units with scarcity in that market being driven by speculators deliberately keeping properties empty.
So fucking shove it.
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>>1259330 Anti-globalism literally came from leftists in the 80s and 90s. When Reagan established relations with China and moved all the manufacturing jobs over there for cheap labour, the working class leftists protested against it, right up to the Battle for Seattle in 1999. Even now, slave wage, sweat shops and worker rights is still a problem. When the dumb kikes in the Republican and Democrat parties were advocating for the Iraq war, they talked about a globalist ideal where America acts as Big Brother to the global South and was met with fierce anti-war advocacy. Globalism has been a dirty word for a long time.
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>>1259294 Shut the fuck up faggot. You sound like that annoying spic Steven Bonnell. None of what you said has been in good faith, all you do is ad hominem attacks, presumptions like "durr hurr far right propaganda say there's a housing crisis" and "where's the link". Your entire mission is to be a Democrat dicksucker, you're not any better than the MAGA retards. You offer no insight nor solution.
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>>1259088 >I'd rather live in a single family home which is what you could have done too if we hadn't spent decades flooding the country The duopoly needs immigrants flooding the country.
Keeps wages down, Keeps the plebs in their place.
The smart Republicans know this, the stupid ones talk about 'caravans'.
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>>1259343 >There isn't a dearth of available rental units with scarcity in that market being driven by speculators deliberately keeping properties empty. Only a complete moron would keep a property empty when they could rent it for money unless they owned like 20% of all property and nobody does. The vacancy rate in California is at thirty-year lows and rental prices are still through the roof.
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>>1259368 >Only a complete moron would keep a property empty when they could rent it for money >He doesn't know Renters set prices to optimize revenue, not number of units filled. Beyond that, renting at lower prices can devalue property.
It happens all the fucking time.
Also they don't need to own 20% of all property. Renters share pricing data to collude on costs. There are multiple web services associated with the practice. That way they can avoid pricing wars while effectively having the same market control as a partial monopoly.
Don't talk about shit you don't know about.
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>>1259369 >Renters set prices to optimize revenue, not number of units filled. Beyond that, renting at lower prices can devalue property. Outside the ultraluxury market, all the units in any given development all have the same price and either fill or don't fill depending on whether the place is market competitive. Almost the only place you see partially filled units outside of that is in markets where the rent is dropping and old tenants stay but new tenants don't move in - which isn't true on almost every metro area in the United States.
>Don't talk about shit you don't know about. Price collusion is different from keeping units vacant, which simply doesn't happen outside some horribly miniscule fraction of units. Again, empirically, the units aren't empty no matter how much you want them to be.
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>>1259370 Motherufucker, there are millions of empty houses and units across the united states. A rental might be kept vacant but not be listed as such on the market. Don't tell me we're in some sort of rental housing crisis when the number of empty rental units has barely declined in the last decade and a half.
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>>1259372 >Motherufucker, there are millions of empty houses and units across the united states. The vast majority of these are summer homes, for sale, between tenancies, or in shitholes with declining population where nobody wants to live. This is normal. You can propose to make any or all of these illegal but none of them is the product of a conspiracy where people conspire to take properties off the market so they can piss away money for nothing.
>Don't tell me we're in some sort of rental housing crisis when the number of empty rental units has barely declined in the last decade and a half. The number of empty units does not decline because the rental market is operating the same as it was ten years ago: the empty rental units are the product of a normally functioning rental market, which includes units between tenancies and units for sale. There was no reserve of empty rental units ten years ago that could be brought on the market so that the number of empty units would decline.
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>>1259227 there is no vote that is in the millenial economic interest, dems flood our country with illegals, republicans remove job protections and reduce public investment. In between the two we’re gonna get squeezed until we throw them all out.
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>>1259292 original claim was
>immigrants and their children >and their children Population has increased by well over 100 million since 1980 and that population growth is almost entirely from the growth of Asian/Hispanic populations, IE immigrants and their children/grandchildren. And it's continuing to increase every day
>includes both legal and illegal how is that relevant?
>That's why you moved the goalposts of your claim from "Immigrants are the reason housing is not more affordable" alllll the way back to "immigrants have an impact on housing demand" it's the same thing. It's the same fucking thing you retard. Increased demand on a finite resource that we can't make more of (land) will lead to an increase in prices.
We can't keep doing this. Every fucking thread the adults have to teach you children basic shit like this. Don't you ever get embarassed?
> You've never heard any mainstream or even c-list Democrat politician say this. You've invented a strawman of Democrats in your head created entirely by far-right propaganda. you're in a thread where Democrats want to end single family zoning because the population has increased so much that there's not enough room for single family housing anymore. It's inevitable that the limitless population growth Democrats want will keep turning more places into NYC and SF, where people already live in pods and own nothing.
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>>1259369 >collude on costs do you have any evidence at all of this?
>>1259372 lol, the other anon already explained why you're wrong so I'm just going to tell you you're a fucking idiot. Don't you ever get embarrassed at being exposed every thread like this? You're children who are clueless about the way the world works and you just repeat the woke talking points the internet told you.
>Reddit says that there are millions of empty houses because of a vast conspiracy to inflate housing costs, wow I'm so smart I'm going to drop this smart knowledge on 4chan! and you never even stop to think about how stupid you sound.
>Don't talk about shit you don't know about. oh the ironing
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>>1259377 >do you have any evidence at all of this? The multiple ongoing lawsuits against RealPage?
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>>1259071 t. lives in his mom's basement rent free
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>>1259378 Kek I just read about that.
I didn't see a single lawsuit, there is a Biden investigation into a property management agency which advised homeowners on rental prices, and often advised them to raise rental prices.
Nobody is alleging the home owners colluding on price fixing except you, you retard.
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>>1259389 >I didn't see a single lawsuit Well yeah, you've got your head up your ass. The only thing you'll see up there is cum.
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>>1259397 Nobody is alleging home owners were price fixing, tard.
That's you
The only lawsuits allege that the software used by the property management firm inflated rent prices.
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>>1259404 They're arguing the software allowed renters to effectively function as a cartel you fucking idiot. If you don't know the details, shut the fuck up.
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>>1259405 Stop being a retard, you retard. It's a tech company being accused of wrongdoing not the people who rent their homes out to poor fags like yourself.
For fucks sake your a retard
>The U.S. Department of Justice late Wednesday stepped into a massive antitrust lawsuit filed by dozens of tenants who are accusing a tech company’s apartment software of helping landlords collude to inflate rents. >The DOJ action comes after a ProPublica investigation last year found that Texas-based software provider RealPage used algorithms to recommend rents to landlords across the country to maximize profits — a practice that experts said may violate antitrust laws. >In throwing its weight behind plaintiffs in the price-fixing case, the Justice Department waded into a fraught corner of federal antitrust law that could have a wide-reaching impact not only on the way businesses use technology to drive profits but also on the marketplace consumers confront. Anonymous
>>1259408 >landlords collude to inflate rents. So that thing I said?
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>>1259409 >filed by dozens of tenants who are accusing a tech company’s apartment software Oh it's a tech company being accused of wrong doing
Your wrong again, Comrade Retard.
Socialism will work next time, surely.
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>>1259010 >nimbys gonna nimby I hope all these small holders see their housing equity dry up
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>>1259413 >nimby you mean like how Democrats keep voting for more immigration but none of them want the immigrants in their own neighborhood? Alexandria only needs to do this because immigrants made their city too crowded for single family homes.
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>>1259411 Democrats often have trouble reading when it conflicts with their world view.
Their eyeballs start to read words and their brain goes all haywire and wacky.
It's why democrat propaganda is made for simple minds. It's not their fault they are so suspectable to it.
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>>1259010 >I'd like to live in a duplex >NOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT THATS NOT ALLOWED