Jannies working overtime to cover up this embarrassing news about Ukraine
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-real-reason-thousands-are-fleeing-conscription-in-ukraine The Mad King Zelenksy, Ruler of Ashes and the First of His Name is devastating Russia with wave after wave of Ukrainian conscripts aged 18 to 60
The Real Reason Thousands Are Fleeing Conscription in Ukraine
There aren’t enough volunteers in Ukraine to make up for the constant flow of dead and wounded soldiers, filling the country’s graveyards and hospital beds.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says his military commanders seek an additional 450,000 to 500,000 men to compensate for casualties and expand the army in 2024. Finding men to replace the fallen is becoming more complex.
As people’s hope of a quick victory has faded and horror stories fill living rooms, some Ukrainian men are hiding to avoid mobilization.
Some stay home and avoid the streets, where police or military officers hand out draft notices and take men to military bases. Others flee Ukraine with falsified documents.
All healthy men between 18 and 60 are prohibited from leaving the country, so you need fake medical records to cross the border. The Daily Beast, for example, knows of one couple who bought fake documents stating that their child is disabled in order to let the father to flee the country.
The Daily Beast met a 31-year-old man who is trying to avoid being drafted into the army. He spoke to The Daily Beast on the condition of anonymity as he worries that he will be dragged to the military after publication.
The number of peoplewho don’t want to join the army, is unknown. People are afraid to raise their voices in public and simply stay at home to avoid detection. Around 20,000 men have fled Ukraine illegally since the Russian invasion began, according to the BBC. At least three men are reported to have drowned trying to escape Ukraine.
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On social media, there are often videos of what appear to be Ukrainian military men handing out draft notices on the streets and checking young men at checkpoints. Videos of fighting-age men being pulled into vans to be sent to bases for check-ups have gone viral. People often don’t stay at their registered addresses, making it harder for the military to find them. “Those who try to avoid mobilization are about 1-5%. They are definitely not critical to the defense of Ukraine,” said Fedir Venislavskyi to the BBC in November, when he was the president's parliamentary representative. Western observers have said that one of Ukraine's major issues is its ability to find more men for the war effort, as the Russian population is around 3.5 times larger than Ukraine. Recently, General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, head of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, wrote an Op-Ed in The Economist, arguing that Ukraine needs more men at the frontline. “Our capacity to train reserves on our own territory is also limited… We cannot easily spare soldiers who are deployed to the front, (and) Russia can strike training centers. And there are gaps in our legislation that allow citizens to evade their responsibilities,” he said. As of now, no Ukrainian man between 18 and 60 can leave Ukraine. Men between 27 and 60 can be mobilized to the army, while men between 18 and 26 can only join voluntarily. Volodymyr Zelensky is considering lowering the mobilization age to 25.
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The Ukrainian parliament is also considering other legislative changes to increase the number of people eligible for military service. Among other things, people are now only categorized as either fit or unfit for service. Previously, people could be “partly suitable,” such as those with minor health issues like asthma. These proposed changes are making men, who were previously only partly suitable, worried about their future. In December, the Ukrainian Defence Minister Rustem Umerov told DW that all Ukrainian men between 25 and 60, living abroad will be asked to report for service. According to the European statistics agency Eurostat, 19.9 percent of the 4.2 million Ukrainians who have received temporary protection status in the European Union since the invasion are men. “We are still discussing what should happen if they don’t come voluntarily,” said Umerov. New System The criticism of the mobilization systems comes from various parts of Ukrainian society. Some argue that Ukraine should introduce a lottery system, where people are drafted depending on their birthday. Others say that Ukraine should only mobilize people not vital to the Ukrainian war effort. Recently, on Facebook, a Ukrainian officer named Yuriy Kasyanov criticized what he calls an inefficient system. He fears that Ukraine might lose the war if something isn’t changed to make the system more fair and increase the number of men willing to serve in the army. “The first thing I can say is that the situation is awful at the frontline. Very bad, and I know it very well. Maybe this is not so visible in the rear. Still, we are holding on with all our strength,” Kasyanov, a drone expert in the army, told The Daily Beast, “The most important thing is that, finally, euphoria and blindness are beginning to subside in society. We understand, including commanders and government officials, that something needs to be done.”
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Trust Eroded The Daily Beast also spoke to a 28-year-old man who only wants to be identified by his first name, Andriy. He left Ukraine in 2023 and is now in Europe. He crossed the border legally due to his mother's disability, which enabling him to go as her guardian. Andriy told The Daily Beast that he and his mother decided to use this loophole to avoid being drafted into the army and risking his life at the frontline. Andriy has health issues, making him exempt from military duty in peacetime, but he cannot trust that it will shield him now during the invasion if he gets picked up on the streets. “I just decided not to leave it to chance. Not to believe that I would be let go if the military picked me up on the streets because I will not survive on the frontline,” says Andriy, who is trying to live an anonymous life abroad so as not to attract too much attention. He says that the stories he heard from the frontline affected his decision. He might be able to help the military in functions away from the frontline, but he doesn’t trust the system. “All this new legislation makes mobilization stricter and stricter. The opportunity today might not be there tomorrow,” says Andriy, “I have a responsibility to care for my mother and myself. I did not want to be taken, and I have a lot of friends who feel the same.” “I will not come back until after the war. If I have to pay some fine for avoiding mobilization after the war, it will be okay, and I will pay it, but if there is a criminal case and I need to do real-time in jail, I will not come back,” says Andriy.
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How long do i have janny, until you delete it again without cause or warning because the news hurts your feefees?
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>>1259314 The jannie does that on this board.
We have multiple tdb threads up right now, dunno why this one should be any different.
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Needed for War The overall number of people like Sergei, who don’t want to join the army, is unknown. People are often afraid to raise their voices in public and simply stay at home to avoid being detected. It is estimated that around 20,000 men have fled Ukraine illegally since the Russian invasion began, according to the BBC. At least three men are reported to have drowned trying to escape Ukraine into the European Union or Moldova, according to the State Border Service of Ukraine. On social media, there are often videos of what appear to be Ukrainian military men handing out draft notices on the streets and checking young men at checkpoints. Videos of fighting-age men being pulled into vans to be sent to bases for check-ups have gone viral. People often don’t stay at their registered addresses, making it harder for the military to find them. “Those who try to avoid mobilization are about 1-5%. They are definitely not critical to the defense of Ukraine,” said Fedir Venislavskyi to the BBC in November, when he was the president's parliamentary representative. Western observers have said that one of Ukraine's major issues is its ability to find more men for the war effort, as the Russian population is around 3.5 times larger than Ukraine. Recently, General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, head of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, wrote an Op-Ed in The Economist, arguing that Ukraine needs more men at the frontline. “Our capacity to train reserves on our own territory is also limited… We cannot easily spare soldiers who are deployed to the front, (and) Russia can strike training centers. And there are gaps in our legislation that allow citizens to evade their responsibilities,” he said.
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Telegram Warnings At the beginning of the invasion, Sergei considered volunteering for the army like thousands of his fellow citizens, but the fear of what he might encounter made him hesitant. Sergei then tried to find a way to leave Ukraine legally but failed. He says that he doesn’t want to leave Ukraine illegally as he would be afraid of the repercussions. In Ukraine, so-called “guides” offering to help men cross the border can be found on Telegram's social media site for about $1,300 and up. Sergei often keeps updated on the situation on Telegram, where people share stories. He has friends fighting at the frontline and can understand why some soldiers are angry at people like him for not doing what they consider a man's duty.
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“But I don’t think that it is reasonable that we should all be fighting. Some are more scared and not fit for it,” says Sergei. “I understand that these soldiers are angry because they see their friends dying. They are full of anger against everyone.” “I might be able to help the army in some ways, which is not at the frontline, but I cannot trust that they will not bring me directly to the frontline,” says Sergei, who adds that he has heard stories of people with diabetes or asthma, who are taken to the front. The Daily Beast also spoke to another man on condition of anonymity. The 27-year-old, who we will call Alex, volunteered for the army last year but was sent home due to too many volunteers. He has a heart condition and tells The Daily Beast that he wants to help the army but that he is reluctant to volunteer again due to the risk of being sent to the front. He is worried that everyone being taken now will simply be used as cannon fodder at the frontline and that the army wouldn’t mind sending people with disabilities to the frontline. “On social networks, you can hear things are incorrectly done. Some people, who are taken to the army to serve other functions, end up at the frontline after a few months anyway because a commander changes his mind,” says Alex.
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“The army knows where I am, so they can come to my home and pick me up. So, if the war lasts very long, I will probably end up in the army, but I know that many people now also wish for peace. I hope peace will come soon,” says Alex, who adds that the military often drives around his city in busses, picking up men on the streets to serve. He says a fair and transparent mobilization system would calm people and potentially provide more volunteers. Alex argues that there are too many stories of people being sent to the front with minimal training and disabilities, which makes everyone scared. “Now, they are establishing these recruitment agencies, where they promise you can come and volunteer and receive three months of training, not only a few weeks. Make a real soldier out of you, but you cannot trust that,” he says.
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>>1259310 >implying you didn't delete the two threads yourself Anonymous
>>1259327 Do you just get paid to gaslight?
i killed 1000 Ucraneians and i never left my sofa
i killed 1000 Ucraneians and i never left my sofa Mon 22 Jan 2024 12:22:04 No. 1259375 Report Quoted By:
>>1259310 say, Ivan Trollsalot, when you turn 18, you gonna go to the front line in Ucrane!
In the off chance you're a burger, you gonna enlist in the Russian army?
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>>1259315 >>1259327 >>1259383 >>1259339 op here.
im going to go out on a limb here and guess that the thread hurt the feefees of some soyboy jannie from op image. The first one was deleted for "not reputable source" which is odd considering this board has 3 or 4 active threads right now from the daily beast, besides this one. In the second thread, the jannie soyboy make some snarky ivan comment and then deleted it without any warning. And this thread, I can only assume they tried to get me banned and a moderator denied it, becuase its not breaking any rules and its still here.
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>>1259315 >>1259327 >>1259383 >>1259339 op here.
im going to go out on a limb here and guess that the thread hurt the feefees of some soyboy jannie from op image. The first one was deleted for "not reputable source" which is odd considering this board has 3 or 4 active threads right now from the daily beast, besides this one. In the second thread, the jannie soyboy make some snarky ivan comment and then deleted it without any warning. And this thread, I can only assume they ted to get me banned but because the thread is not breaking any rules it was denied.
idk.
anyways, this thread is about ukraine, not the jannies.
what do you all think about Zelensky needing to recruit half a million geezers?
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60 is rather old to fight in front line combat
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>>1259398 I was more surprised that the minimum conscription age is 25 while the maximum is 60.
I can see why Zelensky is trying to lower the minimum age to 16, you can't really go much higher than 60 years old for conscription without diminishing returns.
I mean, shoot, maybe both the min and max age should be lowered by 7 years
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>>1259391 I have a question for the Russian Boomer
Do you use a time machine to source your memes?
Also, how much do you get paid per post
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>>1259407 How ass blasted are you by his image and post?
Scale of 1-10.
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bumping for actual news
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>>1259412 I'm so assblasted I'm going to delete the thread and remake it three different times and then after that I'm going to pretend jannies did it so it fits my persecution narrative.
OH WAIT THAT'S YOU NOT ME
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>>1259445 Lmao calm down you're literally imploding
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>>1259445 You left out the part about how OP made this thread as a kneejerk repsonse to
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>>1259448 He probably did, but that didn't stop butthurt ass blasted tranny janny from losing xer shit and deleting it repeatedly.
I literally wouldn't be surprised if the ass blasted janny is he same person claiming op was deleting his own threads
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>>1259448 Now that I think of it:
>Op makes kneejerk thread in reaction to another thread >Raging janny deletes new thread in a kneejerk reaction >Op keeps recreating the thread >Booty blasted janny keeps raging and deleting it for no reason Such is this board, actually. Fits it to the 't'
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>>1259454 >complaining about thread being deleted in an undeleted thread why is your victim complex so massive
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>>1259463 >Acting like archives don't exist Your the janny who deleted them aren't you
Did ops image hit a little too close to home?
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>>1259474 now you're voicing your paranoid delusions as if they're relevant. please take care of your mental health
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>>1259479 I bet it is you
I can find several instances of similar stuff in the archive.
>Op makes thread >Some janny comes along and deletes it because they don't like what's in it >Op remakes it >Janny posts single bitchy post and deletes it >Op keeps remaking it >Janny keeps getting more butthurt, op keeps stating they aren't getting warnings, just threads deleted, so they keep remaking the thread >Janny finally gives up trying to censor /news/ I've seen like at least half a dozen examples of this in the past.
I could dig one up on the archives if you want to play stupid
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>>1259489 People who whine about bans are always faggots but do you
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>>1259491 Lmao nobody is getting banned here tho.
The issue is a whiny self centered janny deleting threads they don't like.
In fact, the fact nobody gets banned is evidence that the threads are not breaking any rules.
The whiny bitch janny should probably stop doing this.
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>>1259494 call the 4chan police then nerd
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>>1259495 >Taking this personally Kek.
It is u isn't it
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>>1259497 if you need to be a victim so bad, i don't mind being your big bad wolf. you better thank me though
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>>1259500 >you Nah wrong again, schizo.
I have zero reason to doubt ops claim tho because I've literally seen this same stuff happen at least half a dozen times on this board.
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>>1259503 You are the op and you deleted the thread twice on your own to fake being a victim
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>>1259539 >Everyone's the same person except me! Nope.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are a newfag and are unfamiliar with this board, even though it's more likely you are just gaslighting. We have a crazed left wing jannie that deletes threads they don't like; without explanation/warning/threats of ban, etc...
To show you, I went to the archives and just looked for people complaining about it on this board:
https://archive.palanq.win/news/search/text/Thread%20deleted%20%20explanation%20/ I'm sure if I searched for less specific phrases and such I would come up with more than these handful of examples.
Personally I've seen this sort of thing quite a number of times on this board, op is quite literally describing the behavior of our crazed left wing jannie, especially given the fact that this is an article about Ukraine conscripting half a million people of questionable age, it seems like it would really get under the jannies skin
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This faggot
>>1259552 is really riled up today
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>>1259552 True. It seems there's at least one Reddit jannie in the employ? (they do it for free) of 4chan.
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>>1259555 Oh so you aren't a newfag, you are just a gaslighting retard
I'm not surprised
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Enough about the crazed leftist jannie on /news/ who deletes threads they don't like. What about Ukraine? They apparently need to conscript 500k men up to age 60. Is anyone surprised after all their failed counteroffensives tho?
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>>1259563 They just took out a gas terminal in St. Petersburg,
>>1259255 which made the op so assblasted he had to make this thread three different times.
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>>1259575 I thought we were over the chain of events leading to a deranged janny deleting threads they didn't like..
What are your thoughts on Zelensky blocking people from leaving his country and conscripting half a million 60 year old men?
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>>1259575 >Three different times Why are you deleting threads, NAFO tranny? Leave the threads alone.
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>>1259584 Your going to get xer too riled up.
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>>1259584 the janny is a top level NATO operative here on assignment from Lord Soros himself
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>>1259391 nah, you deleted it - ziggers always delete their dogshit threads, mostly so they can claim muh censorship before posting the exact same thread again.
lazy fuckers; meanwhile, young russian men are getting greased by 50 dollar drones while these shitbags sit back and cheer on this conflict like the cunts they are...
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>>1259589 Are you sure hes the one deleting the threads now? You were just calling me op and saying I deleted them just a couple hours ago
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so there is this much samefagging on this board, is there
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>>1259601 >Hurr im a retard everyone online except me is one person Shut up retard
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>>1259601 /pol/tards can't tell people apart without IDs
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>>1259601 There is when you are around, it seems