https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/us/politics/trump-abortion-ban.html Former President Donald Trump has discussed supporting a national 16-week abortion ban, according to a Friday report from The New York Times.
Trump reportedly said that if he were to win the 2024 presidential election, he would support a 16-week abortion ban nationwide with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the pregnant person, according to two people close to Trump who spoke with the Times. The idea of a 16-week ban falls out of line with abortion restrictions that other conservatives have pushed at the state level, including six-week and 15-week abortion bans.
The former president reportedly said in a private conversation shared with the Times that he likes the idea of a 16-week federal ban because it’s an “even” four months. He also reportedly said that he will not consider any vice presidential candidate who does not support exceptions for rape, incest or life of the mother.
The Trump campaign denied the Times’ report, calling it “fake news” in a press release.
“As President Trump has stated, he would sit down with both sides and negotiate a deal that everyone will be happy with,” said Karoline Leavitt, a press secretary for the Trump campaign.
“President Trump appointed strong Constitutionalist federal judges and Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe v. Wade and sent the decision back to the states, which others have tried to do for over 50 years,” Leavitt said. “Joe Biden and virtually every Democrat in Congress is on the record supporting radical on-demand abortion up until the moment of birth, and after birth, as well as using American tax dollars to fund the killing of the most vulnerable.”
One of the largest and most extreme anti-abortion groups in the country praised Trump in a Friday statement.
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“We strongly agree with President Trump on protecting babies from abortion violence at 16 weeks when they feel pain,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, the president of Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America.
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“He is now planning to ban abortion across the country. As the president said, he doesn’t have a clue about the power of American women, and he’s about to find out in November.”
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>>1268034 >Nearly 75% of voters in a 2023 Change Research survey said that recent abortion restrictions have gone too far, including 51% of those who voted for Trump in 2020. Why do they keep going against the will of the people?
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>>1268054 The fundies think that G-d gave us free will as a test because he loved us so much. As a result, Christians think their strict view of a good lifestyle needs to be forcibly imposed on everyone.
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Jews are fine with this now that >50% of young people are non-white.
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>>1268096 I don't know what you're complaining about. 80% of abortions are done on black women.
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>>1268034 Seems like where every other developed nation draws the line.
Good on him for aligning us with liberal euros.
Also, abortion isn't healthcare.
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>>1268105 >Good on him for aligning us with neoliberal euros. *ftfy
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>>1268238 neoliberals are just the new conservatives.
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>>1268054 >Why do they keep going against the will of the people? Trump gives no fuck about the will of the people. The only people he cares about appealing to is his fanatic base. Every political move he makes is for the purpose of satisfying that one singular group of people.
u can fool most of the people most of the time
u can fool most of the people most of the time Sun 18 Feb 2024 21:51:45 No. 1268263 Report tRump knows this gets him the religious nut vote, and he's counting on the gen pop as too stupid/don't care to notice.
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>>1268262 This, if Trump and Republicans cared about the will of the people, they wouldn't have staged a coup to steal 2020.
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>>1268054 >they are ending slavery >why do they keep going against the will of the people >they are forcing schools to take in blacks >why do they keep going against the will of the people Anonymous
>>1268269 Going against the will of the people and forcing radical political gangs of anti-constitution traitors to adhere to the laws of the U.S. aren't the same thing.
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>>1268272 >it's authoritarianism, but it's not my brand of authoritarianism Anonymous
>>1268269 >>they are ending slavery >>why do they keep going against the will of the people Except it was the will of the people to end slavery since Lincoln got elected. It's the Conservative M.O. to go against the will of the people and push the tyranny of the majority. Either it be committing treason to maintain the racist institution of slavery, or stage a full on assault on the rights of women.
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>>1268274 A country enforcing its constitution is not authoritarianism. That isn't what that word means.
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>>1268272 how was slavery or segregation anti constitution or anti US law? 13th amendment wasn't ratified until after the civil war and the civil rights act wasn't until after ruby bridges, little rock, rosa parks ect
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>>1268283 >life liberty and the pursuit of happiness >compatible with slavery Anonymous
>>1268280 >Except it was the will of the people to end slavery since Lincoln got elected. so repealing roe was the will of the people since trump got elected
> It's the Conservative M.O. to go against the will of the people and push the tyranny of the majority. isn't tyranny of the majority literally the will of the people?
>Either it be committing treason to maintain the racist institution of slavery, that was the liberals. conservative republican Lincoln ended slavery. liberal democrats formed the confederacy
>or stage a full on assault on the rights of women. ?not being able to get creampied by strangers and having recreational abortions for sexual pleasure is an assault on women's rights
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>>1268285 >conservative republican Lincoln ended slavery. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0 Why do conservatives always project their crimes onto others?
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>>1268281 banning slavery literally wasn't in the constitution until after the civil war
>>1268284 that's in the declaration of independence, not the constitution. but by your logic that would mean all abortions should be banned and all gun laws void
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>>1268281 >A country enforcing its constitution is not authoritarianism. The enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
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>>1268286 dems are still pro slavery today. sanders and biden think middle class white people should be enslaved to give money to the state and illegals and blacks
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>>1268285 >He's an incel so that gives him the right to take the right of women away. Peak conservatism.
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>>1268287 >that's in the declaration of independence which was a prerequisite for any other legal documents
>but by your logic that would mean all abortions should be banned and all gun laws void i'd love to hear the schizo logic you employ for this argument
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>>1268289 https://daily.jstor.org/slavery-and-the-modern-day-prison-plantation/ >Prison farms are a form of modern-day slavery—one that is perfectly legal under US law. Seven states pay no wages at all to their incarcerated workforce: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas. If you're going to lie, be more compelling since the data shows it's conservative states that still maintain slavery. Funnily enough they were all states that committed treason too, and conservatives like you defend it.
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>>1268290 >not being able to get creampied by strangers and having recreational abortions for sexual pleasure is an assault on women's rights >forcing a woman to use a condom is an assault on women's rights Anonymous
>>1268295 just have sex and you won't be this upset
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>>1268292 >which was a prerequisite for any other legal documents post the court decision that says this
>i'd love to hear the schizo logic you employ for this argument abortion is literally killing babies so it violates right to life
guns are needed to protect life and liberty so gun control is denying that
>>1268298 >no the most important thing is for a woman to be able to kill her kids for sexual pleasure reeeeeeeeeeee Anonymous
>>1268299 >implying abortions are pleasurable thanks for proving you have no female connections
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>>1268294 georgia is a blue state. 2 blue senators. also what they are doing is explicitly legal under the constitution. where as sanders, biden and AOC believe every American should be in chains to pay for their government programs and so they can pocket the money. that is why biden did the middle class tax hike
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>>1268301 how many rupees do you get per post, you're sure revving away
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>>1268300 how does a woman get pregnant, retard? every study we have shows that rape, incest, defective baby, monthers health, ect account for less than 10% of all abortions. over 90% of abortions are literally recreational for sexual pleasure
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>>1268303 >implying there are statisticians at the bedside of each instance of rape how schizo can you go anon
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>>1268302 >reeee anyone who doesn't agree with me is a foreign shill reee dems always have been and always will be the party of slavery because slavery is a left wing position
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>>1268301 >Georgia is a blue state Care to explain why the state is almost entirely blood red then?
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>>1268305 you could be a little less obvious. try not repeating yourself so often
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>>1268287 >banning slavery literally wasn't in the constitution until after the civil war But the president being the executive officer of the U.S. was in the constitution.
>>1268288 Nothing you said was a response to anything I said. The U.S has a constitution. Enforcing that constitution even when some people don't like it isn't authoritarianism. You have no clue what that word means.
>>1268295 >forcing a woman to use a condom is an assault on women's rights Women don't use condoms. Are you familiar with how sex works?
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>>1268308 >2 senators verses the rest of the state You're trying to hard.
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>>1268307 the only shills here are you and your leftist coworkers.
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>>1268307 Conservatives will never take responsibilities for any of the crimes they committed against American and will always project them onto others. In this case, pushing their crimes onto their old party after they all switched to the Republicans when the Civil Rights Act was passed.
A friendly reminder that;
The Conservatives were the Loyalists fighting for the British Crown during the Revolutionary war, while the liberals at the time were fighting for self governance and independence.
The Conservatives were the Confederates who betrayed America to keep the racist and conservative institution of slavery alive, while liberals were fighting for the Union and abolition.
The Conservatives were the Fascists during World War II who supported the Nazis with with groups like the American Bundt while the liberals stood with the free world to fight them.
And the Conservatives were MAGA who staged a coup on January 6th to end over 200 years of direct democracy because their candidate lost and created a lie about fraud.
Conservatives have no respect for freedom, unless it's their personal freedom to oppress others.
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>>1268309 >But the president being the executive officer of the U.S. was in the constitution. the president can't unliterally pass laws or amend the constitution. northern states literally had slaves during the civil war
> Enforcing that constitution banning slavery literally was not in the constitution during the civil war
>Women don't use condoms. Are you familiar with how sex works? pretty sure if a woman is getting fucked by a dude with a condom on she is using a condom, reddit spacing faggot
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>>1268312 Also a fun fact, Trump the arch right wing conservative has defended or praised.
>The British Crown >Confederates >Nazis Conservatives can project as hard as they can, but they cannot escape their sins.
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>>1268310 those are state wide elections. state wide georgia has 2 dem senators and voted for biden. georgia is blue
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>>1268321 So is the entire state executive branch doesn't count?
Georgia is red. Also noticed you ignored all the other pro slavery conservative states.
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>>1268311 Imagine being so far to the right you think posting news and repeating facts makes you a leftist
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>>1268312 >pushing their crimes onto their old party after they all switched to the Republicans when the Civil Rights Act was passed. CITATION NEEDED on the number of GOP politicians who switched parties after the civil right act
>The Conservatives were the Loyalists fighting for the British Crown during the Revolutionary war, while the liberals at the time were fighting for self governance and independence. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. Biden and Obongo both said the founders were wrong for independence.
Dems love the federal government. the crown was the federal government. the patriots fought for states rights, no taxes and for gun rights. the brits literally tried to take our cannons which started the shooting at concord. biden has said you don't have a right to own a cannon. Even today dems say they prefer the british parliment system.
dems were the loyalists. conservatives were the partriots
>The Conservatives were the Confederates literally liberal democrats who believe they have the right to the labor of others (like sanders) and believe they can disobey the scotus (like hawaii)
>The Conservatives were the Fascists during World War II who supported the Nazis Dems literally threw Americans into concentration camps in WWII
>staged a coup on January 6t jan 6 was mega based
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>>1268323 Slavery ear the height of the US blacks timeline.
Imagine fighting socialism for blacks.
Crazy racist north.
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>>1268323 they literally voted for biden and a dem senate. they are blue
>>1268325 I've never seen you state a single fact
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>>1268326 This is a facebook boomer, but at least he's actually american.
>>1268327 This is Ivan.
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>>1268328 >i've never seen you state a single fact peekaboo
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>>1268328 >I've never seen you state a single fact You wouldn't recognize a real fact after spending the last 8 years with nothing but "alternative facts" like the Bowling Green Massacre.
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>>1268326 >CITATION NEEDED Voters switched, you're setting up a strawman.
>the crown was the federal government. Wrong, but Washington fought for a federal government as a federalist, so you're claiming Washington fought for the crown? Also trying to push the lie that conservatives are librarians, lol.
>literally liberal democrats who believe they have the right to the labor of others Deflecting from the fact that Conservatives have and still fight for slavery.
>Dems literally threw Americans into concentration camps in WWII Whataboutism, doesn't change the fact that Republicans were and still praise Nazis.
>jan 6 was mega based Glad that you admit you hate democracy like other conservatives.
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>>1268327 >>1268328 So you admit you're lying. Okay. Georgia is red.
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>>1268034 Biden was the one who banned abortion in the first place
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>>1268345 Good damage control
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>>1268345 I'm sure there's one retard in the world who would believe you.
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>>1268309 >The U.S has a constitution. The supreme authority of the land.
>Enforcing that constitution even when some people don't like it isn't authoritarianism. That is literally the definition of authoritarianism.
If you have more laws, you have less freedom.
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>>1268390 Yes, we all know Anarchy is true paradise. Hope you saved up to pay for that private military force to guard your shack.
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>>1268034 That's a doomed idea.
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>>1268411 >private military force Get a gun, a dog and some white friends who also like guns.
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>>1268285 >so repealing roe was the will of the people since trump got elected Trump always loses the popular vote.
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>>1268295 Why do you assume women don't use contraception? BTW, contraception is considered a sin for Christians.
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>>1268440 contraception isnt "considered" a sin, contraception IS a sin. if you dont want babys dont have sex although i don't know why you wouldnt want babies, god literally says in the bible to have as many babies as possible. you literally go to hell if you dont have enough babies
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>>1268441 >Christians want overpopulation We should outlaw it
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>>1268440 Please don't feed the local schizophrenics, anon. They go away if you cut off their supply of attention.
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>>1268441 If you think fertalized eggs are people, but parents and children drowning in a river aren't, stop pretending your concerns are about religion.
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>>1268457 >They go away This was debunked over a decade ago
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>>1268441 Absolutely not. Paul goes out of his way to emphasize that single people are just fine and can devote more attention to God than married people. You do not have to have children to be a complete human being in God’s eyes.
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>>1268489 No one’s forcing those people to get in the river. They could just stay home.
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>>1268728 That doesn't make it ethical to kill them for trying
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>>1268034 >Former President Donald Trump has discussed supporting a national 16-week abortion ban While I personally believe a woman should have an unrestricted right to abortion at any point in the pregnancy, I hope Trumps wins the presidency and implements this policy, just to piss off the Lefties.
Because 16 weeks is a more liberal policy then in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe "In most European countries, abortion is generally permitted within a term limit below fetal viability (e.g. 12 weeks in Germany and Italy, or 14 weeks in France and Spain), although a wide range of exceptions permit abortion later in the pregnancy.[1][2] The longest de facto term limits – in terms of gestation – are in the United Kingdom and in the Netherlands, both at 24 weeks of gestation."
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>>1268735 Your statements are contradictory.
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>>1268735 Well, they always are talking about how we need euro style healthcare and they believe abortion is healthcare.
Seems like they should be on board with this.
I think the problem is abortion activists live off the meat of human babies and the more developed they are the tastier the meat. Therefore they want a constant supply of high quality baby meat.
I'm just guess though.
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>>1268742 Think about it this way - no sane woman would ever want to be forced to help propagate your worthless DNA, so being capable of flushing it in case you try to baby trap her will just help you get laid more often.
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>>1268737 >Your statements are contradictory. True but I'm a 56 year old guy and this won't affect me.
>>1268742 >Well, they always are talking about how we need euro style healthcare and they believe abortion is healthcare. >Seems like they should be on board with this. Indeed, Europe is held up by the Left as an example for the U.S. so why not adopt similar abortion laws?
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>>1268751 >so why not adopt similar abortion laws? Because you keep ignoring the important parts, like
>although a wide range of exceptions permit abortion later in the pregnancy Unfortunately Right wing retards are dead set on forcing 11 year olds to bear their rapists babies and forcing women who actually want a child to die or go infertile carrying an unviable fetus.
So really, it comes down to Euro style healthcare actually caring about the patients health, which is something Republicunts are desperately trying to get rid of in the US.
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>>1268756 >Because you keep ignoring the important parts, like >>although a wide range of exceptions permit abortion later in the pregnancy Germany - up to 12 weeks (less then what Trump is suggesting) and the other parts are the same as what Trump its suggesting:
Risk to life of pregnant woman
Risk of grave impairment to physical or mental health of pregnant woman
Pregnancy as a result of criminal offence (up to 12 weeks)
Exceptional distress (at discretion of court)
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>>1268770 This is America, Jack, we do things and the rest of the world follows, not the other way around.
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>>1268756 >Unfortunately Right wing retards are dead set on forcing 11 year olds to bear their rapists babies and forcing women who actually want a child to die or go infertile carrying an unviable fetus. Correct. We are evil. Super evil.
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>>1268269 >>they are ending slavery >>why do they keep going against the will of the people what is the civil war? majority of people didnt want slavery and came out on top.
>>1268262 Trump only cares about himself. Everything he does is a grift.
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>>1268790 >Trump only cares about himself. Everything he does is a grift. True. And Biden really cares about us.
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>>1268792 biden would never be president without trump's appalling 4 years prior
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>>1268794 Seems like they could've run someone better to me if Trump was really THAT bad.
Maybe Democrats don't actually like you or value you as voters.
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>>1268799 of course they don't, at least they aren't trump
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>>1268801 Actually, Trump was great.
I don't know why Democrats didn't put someone else on the ballot though. No one likes Biden.
Maybe Democrats owed him for laundering money through Ukraine for them for decades?
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>>1268809 >Actually, Trump was great. LOL. (ha ha is what LOL translates to, roughly)
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>>1268809 >I don't know why Democrats didn't put someone else on the ballot though. No one likes Biden. You misunderstand the point of an election. A candidate's job is to beat the other candidate. Clearly, Biden was liked more than Trump. Its kind of hard to argue that nobody likes Biden yet he won the election. That doesn't make much sense.
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>>1268820 >Its kind of hard to argue that nobody likes Biden yet he won the election. I mean, it's really not, but we're not allowed to criticize the election.
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>>1268824 >I mean, it's really not It just isn't logical in any sense of the word.
>but we're not allowed to criticize the election Everyone's been criticizing the election for literal years. You're doing it right now. Nothing about this right-wing schizo talking point is supported by reality.
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>>1268826 Trump is being prosecuted in the district of columbia because """"spread lies"""" about election fraud.
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>>1268829 >Trump is being prosecuted in the district of columbia because """"spread lies"""" about election fraud. That is incorrect. Have you even read the indictments? Do you know the charges?
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>>1268829 *because he, shill faggot
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>>1268830 You can read the case yourself.
United States v. TRUMP (1:23-cr-00257)
>Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power. So for more than two months following election day on November 3, 2020, the Defendant spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won. These claims were false, and the Defendant knew that they were false. But the Defendant repeated and widely disseminated them anyway—to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode public faith in the administration of the election. For context: lying is protected by the first amendment. Fraud isn't, but you need to surreptitiously gain a benefit in order for something to qualify as fraud, and Trump lost the election.
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>>1268832 You still haven't demonstrated that Trump is being prosecuted for lying about the election. This is literally just a few cherry picked sentences from the prosecution's opinion. Can you list which of Trump's charges in the indictment are for lying?
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>>1268833 >This is literally just a few cherry picked sentences from the prosecution's opinion. Yes retard, because they are the ones who filed the charges.
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>>1268832 Here's the part of the indictment right after your quote that you purposefully left out.
>The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful. >Shortly after the election the defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. perpetrated three criminal conspiracies: It goes on to list the three conspiracies he's being charged with - the fake elector scheme and the plot to have Mike Pence overturn the election, which is not speech. The conspiracy to obstruct and impede the January 6th congressional proceeding, which is not speech. And using knowingly false claims of election fraud to pressure state officials into tossing out votes, which is also not a matter of speech. So, to summarize, Trump is not being prosecuted for spreading lies. He's being prosecuted for fraud. Granted, its the prosecution's job to prove he knew the claims of voter fraud were not true. That's true in literally every fraud case - you have to prove intent. That has nothing to do with the first amendment.
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>>1268834 So, let me catch you up because you seem confused. The argument was that Trump was being prosecuted for spreading lies. The source being used to prove this is four sentences of a 45 page indictment. Those four cherry picked sentences do not substantiate the claim that Trump is being prosecuted for spreading lies as here
>>1268835 the prosecution's opinion clearly delineates Trump's first amendment rights from the prosecutable crime of fraud. Therefore, "Trump is being prosecuted for spreading lies" is not true. That's empirically incorrect. The prosecutor's opinion specifically states that speaking publicly is not a crime. Filing court challenges is not a crime. What is a crime is lying on federal documents to file fake electors, using a violent mob to disrupt a congressional proceeding and using the offices of the President to pressure states to throw out votes based on knowingly false evidence. Granted, they have to prove all of this but nowhere in the indictment is Trump being indicted for speech. That's a lie.
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>>1268836 >Therefore, "Trump is being prosecuted for spreading lies" is not true. That's empirically incorrect. Fraud requires someone to 1) purposefully misrepresent a fact to 2) deprive someone else of a material good or right and 3) in such a way as a to personally benefit.
Trump may have lied, but he did not deprive someone else of anything, and he didn't benefit, hence why he did not conspire to defraud the US government in any way.
The government can accuse you of anything under the sun. But what Trump did doesn't meet the legal standard of fraud.
>What is a crime is lying on federal documents to file fake electors There is no such thing as fake electors. All electors are chosen by the state, not the president, and asking the state to do something through the legal process isn't fraud.
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>>1268837 >Fraud requires someone to 1) purposefully misrepresent a fact to 2) deprive someone else of a material good or right and 3) in such a way as a to personally benefit. >Trump may have lied, but he did not deprive someone else of anything, and he didn't benefit, hence why he did not conspire to defraud the US government in any way. Your criminal interpretation of fraud is laughably incorrect. I'll list the specific statutes he's being indicted with. 18 U.S.C. § 371; , U.S.C. § 1512(k); , 18 U.S.C. § 241. Now, if you're Trump's legal team you can definitely argue that he didn't knowingly misrepresent facts. You can argue that his statements constituted good-faith attempts to combat what he thought was legitimate voter fraud. That's all fair game. What you can't argue is that there's no legal basis to charge him. That's retarded. All three components that you listed are undeniably present (a) The claims purported to be made knowingly false i.e. voter fraud (b) the thing he is purported to denied from people i.e. their right to have their vote counted (c) the way he stood to personally benefit i.e. to remain the president. Now its just up to the prosecution to prove those three components correct.
>There is no such thing as fake electors. All electors are chosen by the state, not the president, and asking the state to do something through the legal process isn't fraud. You don't know anything about this indictment. Trump's team specifically had individuals sign federal documents stating that they were the state's chosen electors and filed said documents with the government knowing they were not the state's chosen electors and knowing they were filing false documents. This is, if proven to be true, 100% a crime.
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>>1268835 >the fake elector scheme Dueling electors have existed since Adams and are not illegal.
>the plot to have Mike Pence overturn the election Nixon accepted alternate electors as vp, so precedent exists.
>The conspiracy to obstruct and impede the January 6th congressional proceeding, which is not speech Trump wasn't involved in that.
>And using knowingly false claims of election fraud to pressure state officials into tossing out votes, which is also not a matter of speech. He didn't pressure anybody. He asked them to investigate fraud and was met with resistance, and later prosecuted for asking them to investigate said fraud.
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>>1268840 >Dueling electors have existed since Adams and are not illegal. People filing documents saying that you are the state's chosen electors when the state has not chosen you is 100% illegal. That's called fraud.
>Nixon accepted alternate electors as vp, so precedent exists. Incorrect. Accepting alternate electors due to legitimate election processes is not equivalent to throwing out electors because you don't like their results.
>Trump wasn't involved in that. That's an argument that has to be made in court.
>He didn't pressure anybody. He asked them to investigate fraud and was met with resistance, and later prosecuted for asking them to investigate said fraud. Incorrect. Trump is being prosecuted for using claims of voter fraud that he knew were false to pressure state electors to throw out votes. He was not pressuring them to "investigate". He was pressuring them to reverse their election results and throw out legally cast votes by using evidence of voter fraud he knew were bullshit.
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>>1268837 >Trump may have lied, The bank is actual tangible proof that he didn't lie. If there were an issue, the bank would have denied the loan or corrected the valuation.
Either that or they're both lying, but neither benefitted at the cost of the other.
That's why this was such a stupid case of fraud.
Then the state demanded $360 million in damages to, not the bank, but to the state in a situation in which the state shared no liability nor had any claim to being defrauded.
It's insane. If there was a real news outlet left they would have had actual legal scholars yelling about this shit.
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>>1268839 >Your criminal interpretation of fraud is laughably incorrect. No, that is literally the legal standard of fraud. You need to purposefully deceive someone, and personally gain a benefit, to commit fraud.
>Now, if you're Trump's legal team you can definitely argue that he didn't knowingly misrepresent facts. He was following advice from legal counsel. Which is why they are also being indicted.
Following the advice of legal experts, to operate in the confines of the law, definitionally cannot be fraud.
>The claims purported to be made knowingly false i.e. voter fraud How did he know they were false?
>the thing he is purported to denied from people i.e. their right to have their vote counted No right was denied. People had their votes counted and Biden won.
You can't commit fraud without first depriving someone of material wealth of a right. Attempted fraud exists, but that's not what the prosecution is asserting.
>Trump's team specifically had individuals sign federal documents stating that they were the state's chosen electors They didn't claim to be the other electors. They signed their names on the paperwork and left it up to the process to decide which slate was legitimate.
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>>1268844 >How did he know they were false? The late night shows told me.
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>>1268843 Wrong topic, but you are correct.
The banks truly didn't give a shit and even testified that Trump was in the clear. It wasn't until NYC got their hooks in him that they decided to use the state's evaluation of the property (not the bank's) that they decided he was guilty of fraud, and worked their way backwards to decide how he was guilty.
If Russia nuked NYC I wouldn't shed a tear.
>>1268842 >People filing documents saying that you are the state's chosen electors when the state Didn't happen.
>Accepting alternate electors due to legitimate election processes is not equivalent to throwing out electors because you don't like their results. The VP has the power to determine which slates are chosen, as was the case with Hawaii sending dueling electors back in 1960.
Democrats literally had to modify the Electoral Count Act after the 2020 election to retroactively undermine the argument that Pence lacked the constitutional authority to do what Nixon did 40 years prior.
>That's an argument that has to be made in court. The people who obstructed the electoral count are currently sitting in prison. Hurting your feelings does not defraud the government of the United States.
>Trump is being prosecuted for using claims of voter fraud that he knew were false to pressure state electors to throw out votes. So he's literally being prosecuted for his speech, is what you're saying.
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>>1268847 At least you larping faggots stopped blaming CNN. That was getting embarrassing.
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>>1268034 Unrestricted elective infanticide for negroes, spics and chinks should the law of the land in the United States. European stock should be expressly forbidden on both the state and federal levels.
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>>1268038 >the ongoing public health crisis that has allowed 21 states to ban all or some abortions Tell me you are jewish without telling me your jewish.
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>>1268263 >Hope it backfires up his fat ass. He would just fart it out again, and his base will whuff it up
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>>1268856 What larping faggots?
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>>1268034 so he's more leaniant then other conservatives what's the issue yall want to eat your chrismas fried fetus that badly?
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>>1268751 First, let's nationalize the healthcare system completely, then we can discuss other things.
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>>1268879 Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests
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>>1268034 and then he will sneak into your room late one night and touch your pussy
