https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-presidential-rankings-place-obama-top-10-reagan-trump-below-biden A new ranking of presidents by a group of self-styled experts determined that Abraham Lincoln is America's greatest president, while Donald Trump ranks last.
Lincoln topped the list of presidents in the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project expert survey for the third time, following his top spot in the rankings in the 2015 and 2018 versions of the survey.
According to a release from the Presidential Greatness Project, which touts itself as the "foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics," the 154 respondents to the survey included "current and recent members of the Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association…as well as scholars who have recently published peer-reviewed academic research in key related scholarly journals or academic presses."
The respondents were asked to rank presidents on a scale of 0-100, with 0 being a failure, 50 being average and 100 being great. Rounding out the top five in the rankings were Franklin Delano Roosevelt at number two, George Washington at three, Theodore Roosevelt at four, and Thomas Jefferson at five.
Trump was ranked in last place in the survey, being ranked worse than James Buchanan at 44, Andrew Johnson at 43, Franklin Peirce at 42, and William Henry Harrison at 41.
Respondents were also tracked by their political affiliation and ideology, which the release argues did not "tend to make a major difference overall" in the rankings.
The divide resulted in an overall ranking of 7th for Obama, 12th for Clinton, 14th for Biden, 16th for Reagan and 32nd for Bush.
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>>1268586 Feels good to be a Carterchad. The apologizes will come shortly enough
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>>1268586 >social science experts lol imagine caring about the opinions of people who are "experts" in "WHITE MEN BAD!"
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>>1268586 the whole thing is fucking retarded
>ranking brandon while he is still president >fdr at 2 instead of last >polk at 25 when he is objectively top 10 (Polk said he was only going to serve 1 term, got elected, did literally every single thing he promised to do in his campaign, did not seek reelection, died within a year of leaving office) >jackson ranked 21th, below quincy adams Like idk how someone could argue obongo is a top 10 president and ahead of ike. he literally didn't accomplish anything while president and he fucked up the economy and divided the country like no one else. he is bottom 5. he was so fucking bad sanders ran as a democrat on a platform of obongo being a shitty president and clinton lost to trump because her platform was she was going to be obongo 3.
Obongo is unironically buchanan level bad
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>>1268592 >obama divided the country obama made you be racist?
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>>1268594 obongo was a racist. he kept doing shit like going on tv and demonizing zimmerman for being mexican and protecting his life from an evil black supremacist who was foaming at the mouth to kill him.
>inb4 some fag shit at the trial trayvon's own friend said trayvon said he had to go deal with this >creepy ass cracker, following him and he beat the shit out of zimmerman and tried to take zimmerman's gun and told zimmerman he would kill him. if the races were reversed people would be calling it a hate crime.
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>black who accomplished nothing in 8 years somehow higher than the man who made the interstate highway system and who oversaw the greatest era of prosperity in US history
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>>1268597 are you one of those mexican white supremacists
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>>1268591 Are you an expert in anything? Besides trannys, of course.
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>>1268605 he is probably more of an expert on trannies than the retards in the survey who put obongo ahead of ike
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>>1268592 >>fdr at 2 instead of last FDR is usually considered one of the best presidents. Are you okay?
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>>1268608 he put Americans into concentration camps
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>>1268610 What I mean is that he's popular when it comes to most polling expert or not.
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>>1268612 yeah, because the retards who make the list are retarded, as seen by them putting obongo 7 (ahead of ike), brandon 14, trump last, and clinton 12. They dock major points from Jackson for trail of tears, but are fine with fdr putting Americans in concentration camps because they are communist shills
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>>1268613 They put Bidet as 14? Obvious trash.
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>>1268586 Where's the full list? Every article just has the same few listed
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>>1268613 Like I said, it's not just experts. He's generally liked outside of conservative bubbles.
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>>1268625 1. Lincoln
2. Franklin Roosevelt
3. Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Jefferson
6. Truman
7. Obama
8. Eisenhower
9. Lyndon Johnson
10. Kennedy
11. Madison
12. Clinton
13. John Adams
14. Biden (New)
15. Wilson
16. Reagan
17. Grant
18. Monroe
19. George H.W. Bush
20. John Quincy Adams
21. Jackson
22. Carter
23. Taft
24. McKinley
25. Polk
26. Cleveland
27. Ford
28. Van Buren
29. Hayes
30. Garfield
31. Benjamin Harrison
32. George W. Bush
33. Arthur
34. Coolidge
35. Nixon
36. Hoover
37. Tyler
38. Taylor
39. Fillmore
40. Harding
41. William Henry Harrison
42. Pierce
43. Andrew Johnson
44. Buchanan
45. Trump
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>>1268628 >seething Not really. Just sort of annoyed by this. I wouldn't rate Biden at the bottom since he's been more middling than anything else.
Other oddities are Obama in 7th, Clinton in 12th. Others who were overrated were Reagan at 16 and Bush Jr. being in the top half instead of the bottom half at 19.
Carter came in as 22 also which is about the middle line.
Considering Bush Jr. is my personal idea of a bottom tier president and Biden is obviously a lower-middle tier president, I'm calling bullshit.
Thanks for assigning anger that doesn't exist though. I hope it was satisfying to attack that strawman like a windmill, mass-reply faggot.
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>>1268636 That's a list
Everyone will argue about who is too high but I think the lower end deserves attention
Trump is not Buchanan tier
I am surprised Nixon is that low given the top of the list I would've expected him to be top 15
There are more surprising things in the list like Wilson's and Clinton's placement
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>>1268638 When were you first radicalized by the far right?
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>>1268638 >Bush Jr. being in the top half instead of the bottom half at 19. Lol
Someone doesn't know
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>>1268650 i take that back, harrison should be #1
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>Be Trumpfanatic >Forget about Trump using his hotel for enriching his own family >Forget about Trump firing the FBI director for investigating him >Forget about Trump's "Covid will be over by Easter claim" >Forget about Trump getting impeached for trying to withhold funds if a foreign country wouldn't investigate Biden >Forget about the botched Obamacare plan >Forget about botched infrastructure plan >Forget about the botched early Covid response >Forget about him causing a riot to the capitol building, threatening the lives of every congressman >Forget about him trying to force Mike Pence into overturning an election >Forget about him hiding the drone strikes >Forget about the failed Wall >Forget that Mexico didn't pay for the failed Wall >Forget about the absolute corruption of Jared Kushner >Forget about him obstructing Mueller's investigation >Forget about all of the people he fired >Forget about how he was planning to kill NAFTA >Forget how he used his hotels to fund taxpayer money into his business >Forget about him talking about nuking a hurricane >Forget about how he was reportedly messy with classified documents by most sources >Forget about how he left the presidency after stealing classified documents to brag to his golf friends. >>>>>>Why is he in last, bro?
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>>1268642 Nah the bottom end is fine outside of poor Harrison getting hate for dying.
Meanwhile the top is just outright silly. Obama over Eisenhower? Lol! LBJ is a joke as well.
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skin white as snowm hair black as night, hands as red as roses Mon 19 Feb 2024 20:30:10 No. 1268669 Report Quoted By:
>>1268600 He uses skin lightening product is my guess.
Zimmerman has used them since murdering that kid.
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>>1268652 If you only show his negatives then of course he looks bad
He initiated many positive initiatives which tend to get glossed over
I won't put in as much effort into a list as you because I don't make it my life to win internet arguements but
>left the TPP >made USMCA >banned bump stocks >great negotiations in the middle east >defeat of ISIS >warned of Germany's over reliance on russian gas These were just some of the first things that I thought of
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>>1268677 Even Trump doesn't think he did a lot. Part of the reason he's running for re-election is that so many of his plans were quickly denied from either the bureaucracy slowing things down fast or him just not knowing how the presidency works.
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>>1268685 >so many of his plans Trump doesn't have any plans except drinking diet coke and watching Fox News. Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller were the ones with the plans.
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>>1268652 >Forget about Trump using his hotel for enriching his own family Oh no. Oh gosh. Did he help his family by making money? How terrible.
NPC logic.
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>>1268717 Boomers think you shouldn't help your family. That's why they sold everything to China.
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>>1268717 your authoritarian personality is highly cringe
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>>1268717 Tell it to Hunter Biden
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>>1268717 While president, yes this is an issue. He didn't separate his business from the presidency.
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>>1268724 Well, Joe did go a bit far by getting him that job.
There's helping family, then there's blatant nepotism.
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>>1268717 I hate his family so it's bad if he helps them. He should help good families like Biden's.
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>>1268717 >Cherry-picking one of the several thing Trump did to try to defend him Imagine being this much of a fanatic cocksucker for a +75yo billionaire
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>>1268750 Don't need to read the rest of it. Dollars to doughnuts it is equally stupid if anon believes that making money is a bad thing. Probably a commie too.
Hunter can fuck his underaged Niece, Joe can drag us into WW3 to protect his son, but Trump making money is beyond the pale, evidently.
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>>1268592 >he literally didn't accomplish anything while president and he fucked up the economy and divided the country like no one else Exact opposite actually.
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>>1268759 It’s like these people can’t understand science or history. These ratings are based on accomplishments while leader. Not how much you liked what they did.
Trump accomplished almost nothing. This is just factual.
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>>1268761 He halved the corporate tax rate and handed out millions in freshly printed cash to those same companies, creating the inflation and housing crises.
Thats not nothing.
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>>1268677 >banned bump stocks how is this a good thing?
>>1268652 >>Forget about Trump using his hotel for enriching his own family who cares
>>Forget about Trump firing the FBI director for investigating who cares
>>Forget about Trump's "Covid will be over by Easter claim" dems purposely exaggerated coof and killed olds to hurt trump
>>Forget about Trump getting impeached for trying to withhold funds if a foreign country wouldn't investigate Biden hunter was 100% taking in bribes
>>Forget about the botched Obamacare obongo care is bad
>>Forget about botched infrastructure plan dems fault
>>Forget about the botched early Covid response cuomo and murphy intentionally gave the olds covid to try to make trump look bad and then cuomo tried to cover it up when the feds investigated him but the story got dropped because he groped some woman
>>Forget about him causing a riot to the capitol building, threatening the lives of every congressman this alone should make him a top 10 president
>>Forget about him trying to force Mike Pence into overturning an election who cares
>>Forget about him hiding the drone strikes who cares
>>Forget about the failed Wall dems fault
>>Forget that Mexico didn't pay for the failed Wall dems fault
>>Forget about the absolute corruption of Jared Kushner who cares
>>Forget about him obstructing Mueller's investigation muller is a communist
>>Forget about all of the people he fired who cares
>>Forget about how he was planning to kill NAFTA nafta is bad and was terrible for American workers
>>Forget how he used his hotels to fund taxpayer money into his business who cares
>>Forget about him talking about nuking a hurricane who cares
>>Forget about how he was reportedly messy with classified documents by most sources who cares
>>Forget about how he left the presidency after stealing classified documents to brag to his golf friends. who cares
you forgot how he filled the courts after obongo refused to do his job and left tons of court vacancies
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>>1268774 Do you comprehend that hundreds of millions of people care?
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>>1268776 they just enjoy being lied to
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>>1268758 Trump is a traitor who sold military secrets to our enemies. Anyone defending Trump deserves a bullet while Trump deserves a slow torturous dip in an acid bath.
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>>1268774 I love when you retards bury your head, makes it easier to chop it off.
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>>1268816 Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks.
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>>1268776 Gun nut schizo is our local psychiatric patient. Don't mind him. His clonazepam will kick in soon.
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>>1268638 >Bush Jr. being in the top half instead of the bottom half at 19. That's the dad. Jr is at 32.
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>>1268590 >In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we’ve discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. We’ve learned that piling up material goods cannot fill the emptiness of lives which have no confidence or purpose. This enraged the rightwingers.
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>>1268774 >LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU WHO CARES WHO CARES LALALA retard
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>>1268774 Republicans voted against allowing the government to negotiate drug prices because it would have helped Obama. Same as the republicans voting against border security because it would help Biden political.
Republicans actively make our lives worse because they run on the platform of our lives are worse so we need to vote them in to fix it.
You have to leg to stand on because we can all look at history. Republicans actively make all aspects of lives worse so they can complain about those problems and blame them on democrats. This is the only Republican platform.
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>>1268774 So you're admitting that you don't care about corruption?
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>>1269002 >Same as the republicans voting against border security because it would help Biden political. They voted against it because it was a terrible, terrible, bill.
>You have to leg to stand on because we can all look at history. Republicans actively make all aspects of lives worse so they can complain about those problems and blame them on democrats. And yet everyone is moving from Blue States to Red States, curious.
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>>1268586 >14th for Biden, 16th for Reagan kek, into the trash it goes.
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>>1269138 >They voted against it because it was a terrible, terrible, bill. So they bill they created was terrible.
Why are Republicans even voted into office?
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>>1269147 >So they bill they created was terrible. They bill "they" created was called HR2. The Senate bill was negotiated, in secret, without input, by two republicans and a bunch of dems. Its a dogshit bill and obviously the rest of the caucus and the House want nothing to do with it.
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>>1269150 >ha! I interpret these posts as anger and this makes me happy because (maybe) some people are as angry as I am >no I have nothing to add to the discussion MSNBC's /pol/
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>>1268586 >poll A panel of 'expert' pollsters chosen by MSNBC?
N'yuck N'yuck
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Lincoln was great at conducting industrial warfare. Too bad Grant is 17 even though he carried him in Mississippi. Them Lincoln calls him to see some play. He wants to go to a show even though millions just died. Grant gives him the slip because he's a real man and knows better. Then the country goes back into turmoil. Should he be blamed for this? He didnt even finish his job.
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>>1268586 >a group of self-styled experts >foremost organization of social science experts Lmao, it's fucking nothing
Social sciences aren't real sciences anymore than astrology is.
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>>1269199 his ass and The New York Post
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>>1268586 you can tell this was written by a total fucking retard because it puts Polk at 25. like you must have literally failed high school history if you put Polk that fucking low
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>>1268761 >>1268759 literally what did obongo accomplish? and half the nation fucking hates the bastard. meanwhile they put polk at 25. Polk added more land to the US than any other president, created an independent treasury that lasted until 1913, got rid of the black terrif, settled the north west with england and did everything he promised he would do in 4 years. He is straight up the single most accomplished president of all time.
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>>1270039 did you just send a random googled link? all this is is obongo bragging about forcing companies and colleges to have a diversity quota system and to pick unqualified blacks and women over white men
