Former U.S. spies warned in 2020 that the Hunter Biden scandal had Russian fingerprints. They feel vindicated now.
The Justice Department said this week that informant Alexander Smirnov invented a story about $5 million bribes paid to Joe and Hunter Biden and is also "peddling new lies."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna140240 Sorry Kremlinshills. The Good Guys were right again.
Feb. 24, 2024, 7:00 AM EST
By Ken Dilanian
The Justice Department’s assertions this week that a longtime FBI informant was seeking to “spread misinformation” designed to hurt President Joe Biden after speaking to Russian intelligence operatives has put a new spotlight on an old debate:
To what extent, if any, has the Russian government manufactured or amplified unproven allegations of corrupt Ukraine dealings by Joe and Hunter Biden?
In a request to revoke his bail, prosecutors said that former informant Alexander Smirnov, charged last week with lying to the FBI in 2020 when he said Joe Biden had received a $5 million bribe, “is actively peddling new lies that could impact U.S. elections after meeting with Russian intelligence officials” as recently as last fall.
The allegation that Smirnov was spreading new falsehoods about Joe Biden with an election looming hearkened back to an episode from the 2020 election, when the question of whether Russian spies were trying to smear Joe Biden was first raised.
Derogatory information, purportedly from Hunter Biden’s laptop, had surfaced in a New York Post article. Soon afterward, 51 former intelligence officials signed and blasted to the media a letter warning that the laptop story “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”
The letter continued: “We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails … are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement — just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.”
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The laptop data included embarrassing photos of Hunter Biden with prostitutes — and emails that detailed his business dealings in Ukraine and China. The mainstream media largely ignored it, while Twitter and Facebook put restrictions on the sharing of the New York Post story. After mainstream news organizations verified portions of the laptop material, the letter became a focus of anger among Donald Trump and his supporters. They branded the group of mostly Biden supporters as “spies who lie” and accused them of election interference, saying their letter suppressed coverage of a story that reflected poorly on their candidate. The House Judiciary Committee hauled some of them in for sworn interviews, and in May published a report titled, “How senior intelligence community officials and the Biden campaign worked to mislead American voters.” Some received death threats. Now, many of those former officials say they feel vindicated by the allegations against the FBI informant. No public evidence has emerged pointing to a Russian government role in how the laptop materials were made public. But the former officials say the materials fueled stories consistent with Russian efforts to accuse Biden of corruption that persist to this day — and that therefore they were justified in sounding the alarm. “It validates exactly what we were warning about,” said Marc Polymeropoulos, a 26-year CIA veteran who supervised operations involving Russia. “Ours was a prudent warning. The Russians were going to push this narrative of Hunter Biden and corruption, to hurt Joe Biden.” Polymeropoulos, who spent much of his career in counterterrorism, said he received emails saying he and his family should be hung, and a barrage of crank phone calls. Another signatory, former CIA operations officer John Sipher, says he was also targeted by threats.
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Sipher said the group never claimed that material about Hunter Biden was made up — only that the story fit a narrative being pushed by people with ties to Russian intelligence, including some who had met in Ukraine with Trump’s lawyer and adviser Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani had provided the laptop materials to the New York Post. “This has always been an ugly political game from the beginning,” Sipher said. “Anyone who actually bothered to read the letter would realize that the focus was on warning about Russian subversive efforts prior to the 2020 election.” He added, “The recent revelations show that we were prescient. While I would love to gloat, the important issue remains the same — foreign interference in American democracy, and unethical, cynical and faithless behavior by members of Congress entrusted to provide oversight of our important institutions.” Russell Dye, a spokesman for the GOP-led House Judiciary Committee, responded: “The Hunter Biden laptop was always real and always authenticated. They knew, or should have known, that and they still ran with their verifiably bogus letter. The people who signed the letter should feel zero vindication.” The Judiciary Committee report included excerpts of an interview with Michael Morell, the former acting director of the CIA, who said he asked Polymeropoulos to draft the letter. Morell acknowledged that he did so after being contacted by then-candidate Biden’s senior foreign policy adviser Antony Blinken, who flagged the New York Post story. That revelation was characterized by Republicans as more evidence the letter had been a political maneuver. Most if not all the signatories preferred Biden over Trump in the 2020 election. Among them were James Clapper, who served as President Barack Obama’s director of national intelligence, and Leon Panetta, an Obama CIA director and defense secretary.
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There is little doubt the letter helped Democrats rebuff allegations of Biden family corruption. Biden cited it during a presidential debate when Trump raised the issue, asserting that “there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what he’s accusing me of is a Russian plan.” But the signatories said they were expressing a genuine concern that went beyond who would win an election. And it wasn’t only those 51 former officials who were concerned about possible Russian attempts to smear Biden. NBC News reported in October 2020 that the CIA and other spy agencies gathered intelligence on Giuliani’s dealings with alleged Russian intelligence agents as he searched for dirt on Biden and passed his findings on to the Trump White House American intelligence agencies were not spying on Giuliani, but on the people with whom he was talking, including Andrii Derkach, who had been identified by the Treasury Department as a Russian agent. In the process, the U.S. spy agencies learned that Derkach and other Russian operatives were in touch with Giuliani, and wanted to feed him information in an attempt to discredit Joe Biden.
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In that context, the emergence of the laptop around the same time raised suspicions, especially because the New York Post reported that it obtained the material from Giuliani, who got it from the owner of a Delaware computer repair shop. The shop owner said Hunter Biden brought it in and never picked it up. Material from the laptop became evidence in the criminal investigation of Hunter Biden, which ultimately resulted in a pair of indictments accusing him of tax and gun crimes. He has pleaded not guilty. A recent court filing by the lead prosecutor in the case, special counsel David Weiss, says investigators authenticated the laptop material — and the fact that a computer had been left in a store. “In August 2019, IRS and FBI investigators obtained a search warrant for tax violations for the defendant [Hunter Biden]’s Apple iCloud account,” the filing said. “In response to that warrant, in September 2019, Apple produced backups of data from various of the defendant’s electronic devices that he had backed up to his iCloud account. Investigators also later came into possession of the defendant’s Apple MacBook Pro, which he had left at a computer store. A search warrant was also obtained for his laptop and the results of the search were largely duplicative of information investigators had already obtained from Apple.” It was Weiss who filed charges last week against Smirnov, accusing the informant of lying to the FBI when he relayed information that Joe and Hunter Biden had each accepted bribes of $5 million in 2015 from Ukrainian executives of Burisma, the company that paid Hunter Biden millions of dollars to sit on its board.
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NBC News has reported that the bribery allegations had been investigated and debunked by the Justice Department during the Trump administration. But they had become part of the push by House Republicans to impeach Joe Biden. And the prosecutor who investigated, former Pittsburgh U.S. Attorney Scott Brady, testified to the House Judiciary Committee in October that the FBI viewed the informant as a “trusted source.” It’s not clear when and why that changed. In a filing this week seeking to revoke Smirnov’s bail, prosecutors said he had repeatedly “lied to his FBI Handler after a 10-year relationship where the two spoke nearly every day” — and that he had “extensive” contacts with Russian operatives. The FBI did not respond to a request for comment. A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment. Hunter Biden’s lawyers said in a filing that the informant’s alleged lies have irreparably tainted the cases against him. “Smirnov’s contacts with Russian officials who are affiliated with Russian intelligence services are not benign,” the filing says, adding that his “efforts to spread misinformation about a candidate of one of the two major parties in the United States continues. … What this shows is that the misinformation he is spreading is not confined to 2020. He is actively peddling new lies that could impact U.S. elections after meeting with Russian intelligence officials in November.”
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Remember when Hunter's laptop was also Russian disinfo?
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>>1270782 You people don't even know the difference between a laptop and an external hard drive.
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>>1270783 Was the external hard drive, connected to... the laptop, perhaps?
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The original laptop is in the possession of the FBI. The confiscated it as evidence before Rudy received the "hard drive" The "external hard drive" is probably referring to this hard drive Rudy received which was a personal copy made of the contents of hunters laptop which he retained after the FBI confiscated the original laptop. Its contents are what have been widely disseminated publicly
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>>1270785 Literally the only people saying the hard rive was connected to the laptop are the blind repairman guy, Steve Bannon, and Rudy Guiliani. The whole basis for Hunter's countersuit is that the hard drive had nothing to do with the laptop.
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>>1270790 Good damage control but you are not going to spin this away
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/hunter-biden-laptop-investigation.html >After the customer left the store, Mac Isaac says he closed up shop, popped open an Amstel Light, and started to work on the recovery. He dragged and dropped folders from the broken laptop onto an external drive. Almost immediately, Mac Isaac claims, he saw that the computer contained a large quantity of homemade pornography sitting right on the desktop. “It’s not like I hadn’t seen anything like that before,” he says. “It was probably the most I’ve ever seen in one place.” No one alive can verify that's what actually happened because Issac modified and copied the files.
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>>1270791 >The whole basis for Hunter's countersuit is that the hard drive had nothing to do with the laptop. This is a total lie.
His lawsuit alleged that Isaac had no right to copy hunters personal data. It even claims hunters signature was invalid because of where the line was placed above a clause that said that items are forfeit after (90?) days of nonpayment
Why do you lie like this?
Prove your claim, liar. I've actually read the first few pages of the lawsuit and I remember nothing of your claim.
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>>1270794 You're being retarded on purpose.
>A few days later, the blurry customer returned, this time to drop off a portable hard drive to hold the contents of his laptop. “When you see a grown man in a rainbow boa and a jock strap,” Mac Isaac says, “it’s hard not to have that image in your mind when he’s staring you in the face.” (It was pink, in truth, and it was an average scarf.) But he finished the job, made the backup, and called the cell-phone number the customer had given him to say he was done. The customer didn’t come back and never paid the $85. Mac Isaac says he put the broken laptop and the portable drive in a locked closet. Two weeks after the customer’s visit, on April 25, Joe Biden officially launched his presidential campaign. Anonymous
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>>1270795 it's not like he's going to take accountability for anything. he's a bald-faced liar who gets paid to do so
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>republicans ALREADY posting whataboutisms They already lost
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>>1270799 his penis though. you have to understand. the president's son's penis.
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>>1270801 Could we maybe see more of this penis in a congressional setting? Maybe MTG could make some visual aides.
want Hunter biden 'Riden me'
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>>1270753 >Sorry Kremlinshills. The Good Guys were right again. The CIA 'The Good Guys'?
Who's the shill?
>>1270802 >Maybe MTG could make some visual aides. She for sure uses those pixs as a masturbatory aide.
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>>1270753 Who was paying Smirnov? Follow the money.
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>>1270795 What the fuck are you quoting, because that's not about from the lawsuit, it's probably some oped snippit
Cite the lawsuit, faggot, not some third party rag
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>>1270753 Plus those rumors about Putin being a pedophile are confirmed.
He did murder Alexander Litvinenko for exposing his pedophilia all those years back.
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>>1270793 Huh that's weird.
It's like you described exactly what he did.
>No one alive can verify that's what actually happened because Issac modified and copied the files You do realize the FBI has the actual physical laptop right?
Also, every attempt to disprove anything on there as authentic has failed
You're just a pathetic conspiracy theorist at this point
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>>1271016 will you stop trying to inundate our computers with viruses on this text only board
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>>1271020 I gracefully accept your concession, DNC shill
Better luck next time, eh?
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>>1271023 Where did the DNC shill touch you?
red
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>>1270753 Funny how everything Democrats dont like suddenly has "russian fingerprints" all over it. They had no problem with him when he was a "long time FBI informant" but suddenly its about Biden and all of a sudden he is a double-agent super-spy.
Get real.
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>>1270753 the smirnov angle is obvious misdirection. feds are really desperate to bury the biden bribery story.
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>FBI officials sign a document saying the Biden Laptop is misinformation >Biden laptop is entered into congress, officially acknowledged it exists >federal government tries to discredit the Hunter Biden corruption connection *again* Imagine you work for the FBI. You graduated college, you were hand-picked by the FBI, beat out the competition, and now you're in a prestigious position. Suddenly, a porter walks into your office carrying a manilla envelope. New Orders: cover for the President's crack-addicted, child fucking, whore mongering son. I'd kill myself if I was asked to do something like that.
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>>1271053 Its worse than that
>you are said person >busted your ass your whole life to become a Special Agent >love the FBI >get told to do things you know are going to destroy it Anonymous
>>1271053 >child-fucking You've got Hunter confused with Trump.
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>>1271059 >he doesn't know His niece, anon. He banged his underaged niece.
The laptop had to be censored because Hunter was a retard and took pictures of himself in bed with her.
>tfw democrats say the laptop cannot be trusted because the contents were edited Our government is fucked.
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>>1271062 >He banged his underaged niece Brother, those were fake. FFS that narrative got dropped YEARS ago because those pics floating around weren't actually on the laptop. You're behind on your propaganda. They moved on to the Big Guy shit for a reason.
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>>1271069 >the laptop is fake! >i mean, it wasn't, but those pictures are DEFINITELY fake! Embarrassing.
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>>1271070 being such a bad shill that you're shilling on /news/ must be embarrassing.
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>>1271070 The pictures that weren't on the laptop, yes. You realize there are public archives of the media that actually was on there, right?
You got duped by photoshops floating around social media and somehow managed to not get a heads up that you got tricked for fucking years, you fucking idiot.
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>>1271070 >>1271074 I mean for fucks sake, don't you think Republicans in Congress would be calling Hunter a pedophile if that shit were on there?
Don't you think that that'd be part of the drug/gun/tax charges?
You fucking think Hunter wouldn't be sitting in jail right now if he were publicly in CP, you fuckwit? Use your fucking brain, you fucking maroon!
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>>1271075 You lost him at "don't you think", anon. Conspiracy fags wouldn't be conspiracy fags if they were capable of thinking.
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>>1271075 >I mean for fucks sake, don't you think Republicans in Congress would be calling Hunter a pedophile if that shit were on there? No?
Timeline of events
>PC repair shop owner checks out laptop, discovers CSAM, contacts police >owner makes a copy of the HD >FBI raids his home, confiscates laptop >owner sends HD copy to Fox News, Veritas and Giuliani >Fox News """loses""" HD copy in the mail >Veritas gets their shit raided >Giuliani submits his copy to congress, gets swept under the rug And before you ask a retarded question, we know what was on the laptop because 4chan hacked Hunter's iCloud account. The CSAM was being spread on /pol/ and /b/ in 2020, but most users were smart enough to know it was radioactive and stayed the fuck away.
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>>1271117 >4hcna hacked Hunter's iCloud account No they didn't. You saw exactly what Steve Bannon wanted you to see.
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>>1271118 Lmao you sound dumber than him
>>1271117 4chan didn't hack anything. It was an export of his icloud data taken off the disk. A lot of the stuff is cached on the device, even if a person doesn't actually download it, caching it is enough.
I forget the name of the file type. I dont believe those pictures were actually on that file, they were distributed at the some time but were fake.
I seem to recall that apple backup file was legit tho.
I learned the name of the dude who leaked this file, was some dude that started a website about hunter and put all his personal shit from this backup file on the website along with a map that showed where the photo exif data shows the each photo was taken at
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>>1271119 >my dad works at nintendo: the post Anonymous
>>1271119 >It was an export of his icloud data taken off the disk Why were you this gullible?
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>>1271119 >>1271117 Who was the hacker known as 4chan?
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>>1271151 The whole point of /pol/ is to believe your own outlandish lies and wave your arms around like Ron paul