https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/03/florida-measles-outbreak-preventable Shortly before Joseph Ladapo was sworn in as Florida’s surgeon general in 2022, the New Yorker ran a short column welcoming the vaccine-skeptic doctor to his new role, and highlighting his advocacy for the use of leeches in public health.
It was satire of course, a teasing of the Harvard-educated physician for his unorthodox medical views, which include a steadfast belief that life-saving Covid shots are the work of the devil, and that opening a window is the preferred treatment for the inhalation of toxic fumes from gas stoves.
But now, with an entirely preventable outbreak of measles spreading across Florida, medical experts are questioning if quackery really has become official health policy in the nation’s third most-populous state.
As the highly contagious disease raged in a Broward county elementary school, Ladapo, a politically appointed acolyte of Florida’s far-right governor Ron DeSantis, wrote to parents telling them it was perfectly fine for parents to continue to send in their unvaccinated children.
“The surgeon general is Ron DeSantis’s lapdog, and says whatever DeSantis wants him to say,” said Dr Robert Speth, a professor of pharmaceutical sciences at south Florida’s Nova Southeastern University with more than four decades of research experience.
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“His statements are more political than medical and that’s a horrible disservice to the citizens of Florida. He’s somebody whose job is to protect public health, and he’s doing the exact opposite.” Ladapo’s advice deferring to parents or guardians a decision about school attendance directly contradicts the official recommendation of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which calls for a 21-day period of quarantine for anybody without a history of prior infection or immunization. It is also in keeping with Ladapo’s previous maverick proclamations about vaccines that health professionals say pose an unacceptable danger to the health of Florida residents. They include official guidance to shun mRNA Covid-19 boosters based on easily disprovable conspiracy theories that the shots alter human DNA and can potentially cause cancer – “scientific nonsense” in the view of Dr Ashish Jha, a former White House Covid response coordinator. Meanwhile, with measles having been eradicated in the US since 2000, the disease’s resurgence, paired with Ladapo’s latest misadventure, have prompted a new round of mocking commentary. Florida: Come for the Sunshine, Leave With the Measles, opined the Orlando Sentinel; “Measles? So On-brand for Florida’s Descent Into the 1950s”, was the take of the Tampa Bay Times.
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The backlash prompted the Florida department of health to publish “clarifying information” this week, in which it insisted that the stay-at-home recommendation had in fact been given to parents at Manatee Bay elementary school, and attempted to blame the media for “reporting false information and politicizing this outbreak”. Department officials repeated the claim in a subsequent statement. “The media has continued to peddle the narrative that Dr Ladapo has defied science in his recent letter. In reality, he has used available data and immunity rates to drive policy decisions impacting Manatee Bay Elementary,” the deputy press secretary Grant Kemp said. “97% of students at Manatee Bay Elementary have received at least one dose of the MMR immunization. Outbreaks are occurring in multiple states, and the national immunization rate for measles is less than 92%.” Reporting false information, incidentally, is something Ladapo is familiar with himself. He was found to have personally manipulated data in a 2022 study of Covid-19 vaccines to wrongly assert they posed an elevated risk of cardiac illness or death in young men. To Speth, and numerous other medical experts, Ladapo’s risky succession of positions denying even the most obvious benefits of immunization and vaccination is a symptom of a wider political assault by the rightwing, which carries deadly potential. Its origins, Speth believes, lie in a long-discredited study by the disgraced British former doctor Andrew Wakefield falsely tying the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine to autism, but which was enthusiastically embraced by anti-vaxxers and other extremists in the US.
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“The Wakefield study was a gross fraud, yet today up to 25% of our population believes it, and opportunistic politicians seize on the sentiment to tell people what they want to hear about the danger of vaccines,” he said. “Republicans are at war with medical science, and that’s a horrible tragedy. But I feel like Cassandra, talking about the public health threat. We’re going to start seeing a lot more children die of infectious diseases that could be prevented if they were vaccinated.” Ladapo has been hailed a “superstar” by DeSantis, who sidelined then dumped his predecessor Scott Rivkees for contradicting the governor’s position on social distancing and face masks during the Covid-19 pandemic. Ladapo became a vocal cheerleader of the governor’s anti-mask, vaccine and lockdown decrees; and was a prominent member of Frontline Doctors of America, a fringe cluster of radical physicians that pushed ineffective medicines such as ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as a cure for the virus.
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The group’s founder, Simone Gold, received a 60-day prison sentence in 2022 for taking part in the 6 January Capitol riot. Additionally, Ladapo was a signatory to the Great Barrington Declaration, an open letter claimed to have been signed by 15,000 scientists and medical professionals calling for a herd immunity approach to Covid, but which included a multitude of spoof names including Dr Johnny Bananas, Dr Person Fakename and Dr I P Freely. Democrats in Florida say Ladapo’s handling of the measles outbreak is one more reason why they believe he is unsuited for a job in which he earns in excess of $600,000 a year, paid almost equally by the state and University of Florida, where he was given tenured professorship as an incentive to come. “What’s so sad about it is it’s completely preventable,” said state senator Tina Polsky, who has been one of Ladapo’s staunchest critics. “In a moment of crisis we need the best level-headed people to be running that department of health, and now we’re in our next crisis after Covid and we have someone who doesn’t want to follow accepted scientific guidelines in charge. “To pretend that the vaccine is unnecessary to eradicate measles is completely illogical, because that’s the reason it’s been gone from our country. It will have some devastating outcomes, it’s going to scare a lot of people, and kids are going to be out of school, which has its own negative outcomes.” ___
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>“The media has continued to peddle the narrative that Dr Ladapo has defied science in his recent letter. In reality, he has used available data and immunity rates to drive policy decisions impacting Manatee Bay Elementary,” the deputy press secretary Grant Kemp said. I like how the urinalist doesn't even stop to deny this, and keeps on chugging along with his hit piece.>“97% of students at Manatee Bay Elementary have received at least one dose of the MMR immunization. Vaccines do work, right?>Reporting false information, incidentally, is something Ladapo is familiar with himself. He was found to have personally manipulated data in a 2022 study of Covid-19 vaccines to wrongly assert they posed an elevated risk of cardiac illness or death in young men. Uh, they do, this is on the wikipedia page for the vaccines now.> Broward county Ah, there's your problem. 3am Measles dump to influence the election.
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Literally Manatee Bay again? The fucking school is infested with child raping fagtivists. This is the same school that did the performance art of covering books. Fake and gay bullshit propaganda.
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LIFE ENDING OUTBREAK OF DEADLY MEASLES ONLY IN FLORIDA!!!!
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html >As of February 29, 2024, a total of 41 measles cases were reported by 16 jurisdictions: Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, New York City, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Washington. Can Democrats just fucking stop the bullshit for two fucking seconds?
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>>1273613 >He was found to have personally manipulated data in a 2022 study of Covid-19 vaccines to wrongly assert they posed an elevated risk of cardiac illness or death in young men. The CDC website confirms the covid vaccines can cause myocarditis and here you faggots are still lying about it.
For what?
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>>1273625 >Uh, they do, this is on the wikipedia page for the vaccines now. Just making shit up now huh chuddy?
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>>1273636 Read the wiki, CHUB.
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>>1273637 Just read it. Nowhere does it say the vaccine poses an elevated risk of cardiac illness in young men.
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>>1273639 Really? So you couldn't even take 5 minutes? You're just OK with being a retard on the Internet? Got it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine myocarditis and pericarditis, or inflammation of the heart.[270] There is a rare risk of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) or pericarditis (inflammation of the membrane covering the heart) after the mRNA COVID‑19 vaccines (Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech). The risk of myocarditis after COVID‑19 vaccination is estimated to be 0.3 to 5 cases per 100,000 persons, with the highest risk in young males.
>with the highest risk in young males. with the highest risk in young males.
>with the highest risk in young males. Anonymous
>>1273640 >There is a rare risk There is a rare risk
>There is a rare risk Anonymous
>>1273640 Do you know what the word "rare" means?
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>>1273639 Bro even Pfizer on their own website has admitted the vaccines can cause heart attacks. Of course that's after they tried censoring that for the several years as they pushed the vaccines on everyone.
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>>1273634 Regarding the study:
1. It only showed an increased risk of death by myocarditis in one age+sex group.
2. It showed a decreased risk of mortality in ALL groups.
3. They ignored the later finding to use the earlier one to recommend against the vaccine, as if how you die is more important than whether you die.
4. The motherfucker edited the study to even get the one finding that would help his case, which it didn't cause he was too dumb to even do that right.
>https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/25/health/florida-covid-vaccine-analysis-ladapo/index.html Anonymous
>>1273643 So can COVID. If the vaccine increases your chance of getting myocarditis from the vaccine but decreases your chance of getting it from COVID by a greater amount, it lowered your risk overall.
And myocarditis isn't a heart attack.
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>>1273641 Great but regarding the article and the wiki the urinalist states:
>wrongly assert they posed an elevated risk of cardiac illness or death in young men. And the Wiki says:
>with the highest risk in young males. So I'll gladly accept your concession here.
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>>1273645 But young men were never at risk for adverse effects due to COVID.
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>>1273647 According to whom?
(inb4 Joseph Ladapo)
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>>1273651 All the data that was collected during COVID.
I don't feel the need to respond to you since you didn't even take the time to read the wiki earlier.
Your opinion is irrelevant and you're obviously here just to be retarded.
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>>1273654 >All the data that was collected during COVID. The data doesn't say that.
>you didn't even take the time to read the wiki earlier The wiki doesn't say what you claimed it said and I'm not the person you responded to.
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>>1273658 >The data doesn't say that. >The wiki doesn't say what you claimed it said and I'm not the person you responded to. Gonna need some sources on this.
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>>1273659 You can't even provide sources for your original claims
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>>1273664 My source went ignored, and you continue to debate exactly what the source says.
Why would I provide trolls sources?
You have to source your objections at this point since you have no credibility.
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>>1273677 >lies about what the source said >wonders why no one will engage him Hmmmm
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>>1273680 In plain English:
>with the highest risk in young males. with the highest risk in young males.
>with the highest risk in young males. It's OK to KYS.
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>>1273683 Article claim:
>wrongly assert they posed an elevated risk of cardiac illness or death in young men. Wiki claim:
>with the highest risk in young males. You've got to have better things to do.
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>>1273684 >Severe allergic reactions are rare. Do you understand english words?
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>>1273646 A fleetingly rare side effect mostly affecting a certain demographic doesn't mean that demographic is overall facing an elevated risk of that side effect. Read
>>1273645 and try rubbing some brain cells together.
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>>1273685 Irrelevant because they are also elevated as claimed in young men.
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>>1273697 >It's irrelevant because I say it is!! lel
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>>1273685 >Anti vaxxers want to cause another Trump Virus outbreak for the next election Insidious.
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>>1273691 >A fleetingly rare side effect mostly affecting a certain demographic doesn't mean that demographic is overall facing an elevated risk of that side effect. What kind of mongoloid mental gymnastics is this?
Yes it does.
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>>1273707 No it doesn't. Are young men more or less likely to get myocarditis after taking the vaccine?
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>>1273711 Not him but you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill
>In December 2020, 1,893,360 first doses of Pfizer–BioNTech COVID‑19 vaccine administration resulted in 175 cases of severe allergic reactions, of which 21 were anaphylaxis. Anonymous
>>1273707 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9538893/ "The CDC stated that the risk of myocarditis after infection with COVID‐19 was 146 cases per 100000. The risk was noted to be much higher for males, older adults (age>50years) and children under 16years of age. 16 In one study involving healthcare organizations that cover a fifth of the US population, males aged 12–17years developed myocarditis after COVID‐19 at a rate of about 450 cases per million infections. 16 In males of the same age, after the second dose of mRNA vaccine, 67 cases of myocarditis per million were detected. If myocarditis cases after the first and second dose were added together, 77 cases per million resulted; a rate almost six times lower than after COVID‐19 infection. 16 Another perspective point is a recent study that reported the general effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine in preventing hospitalization for severe COVID‐19 by comparing a vaccinated cohort versus unvaccinated. 41 The effectiveness was reported to be 98% against intensive care unit admission and 98% against COVID‐19 requiring life support. 41 "
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>>1273685 Why yes I do. It seems you don't.
>>1273691 Just because you keep pointing to the rarity doesn't mean it's not an elevated risk. You do realize that, right?
What are you on?
And the wiki states it's up to 5 per 100,000 which is on par with the World's average homicide rate.
Seriously, why would anyone trust you transparent propagandist faggots?
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>>1273712 >Not him but you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill Well, this describes COVID in general to be quite honest.
>ICU beds are filling up!!! The average is like 6 ICU beds per hospital in the US.
>Everyone is dying!!! Because they housed old people who have the highest mortality rate with COVID patients in NY and included anyone who died with COVID in the death rates.
>THE VACCINE IS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE!!! Can cause myocarditis and is currently in process of being link to higher rates of cancer.
Yay!. I hope you shill fags kill yourselves. But you're shameless pieces of human shit, so you won't.
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>>1273717 >Hospitals are OVER CAPACITY!!! >Watching my 50th dancing nurses video on Tiktok today. >Watching 50 more tomorrow. Anonymous
>>1273719 HOW DARE THEY HAVE TIME TO DANCE
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>>1273716 Read
>>1273713 brainlet. Vaccine myocarditis occurs six times less than Covid myocarditis in young men. The vaccine does not elevate young mens' risk of myocarditis, it drastically lowers it.
>>1273717 >Can cause myocarditis But not as often as covid.
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>>1273736 Found it.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm >The findings in this study are subject to at least six limitations. First, the risk estimates from this study reflect the risk for myocarditis among persons who received a diagnosis of COVID-19 during an outpatient or inpatient health care encounter and do not reflect the risk among all persons who had COVID-19. Anonymous
>>1273737 Are you more or less likely to go to the hospital with Covid if you've been vaccinated?
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>>1273641 >it doesn't happen >I mean it does, but it's rare, so it doesn't really matter Absolutely kill yourself.
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>>1273741 When did I say it doesn't happen?
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>>1273739 Going by this study the excluded vaccinated sample was over 300,000, whereas the unvaccinated sample was 5,000.
So it appears that isn't relevant to the discussion we were having. Are you trying to change the subject?
The biggest indicator of hospitalization was based off of age from what I can recall off the cuff.
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>>1273746 Explain what you think the blurb in
>>1273737 means for the fact that myocarditis occurs six times as often in young men with covid than in young men who took the vaccine.
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>>1273747 But it doesn't. That's the point of "the blurb". That's literally what "the blurb" in the study is saying.
Are you sure you're able to read and comprehend?
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>>1273751 I think you're the one who can't read here. The blurb says the study's data was pulled from people diagnosed with Covid by hospitals. People who take the vaccine are less likely to experience hospitalizations with Covid. Therefore, in a discussion about the vaccine "elevating risks of myocarditis" a sample of people with Covid severe enough to warrant hospitalization is still relevant.
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>>1273756 However it's assumed the majority of the population had COVID and considering myocarditis is heart inflammation, which is a serious condition, it would make sense that more people who experienced myocarditis during this period visited the hospital.
So the real world application would be 5000/unvaccinated population who also had COVID.
Thus "the blurb" is pretty substantial.
And it safe to assume that since heart inflammation is pretty serious, 5,000 was pretty close to 100% of the vaccinated population that experienced COVID and myocarditis.
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>>1273764 >5,000 was pretty close to 100% of the vaccinated 5,000 was pretty close to 100% of the unvaccinated
even Spoc had Friggatriskaidekaphobia
even Spoc had Friggatriskaidekaphobia Mon 04 Mar 2024 22:02:56 No. 1273780 Report Quoted By:
>>1273611 >Ladapo >Harvard-educated physician for his unorthodox medical You can take the superstitious human out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the superstitious human.
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>>1273725 >How dare they not die and go to hell Ftfy
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>>1273796 be nice to your nurses, they might shove things up your urethra
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>>1273756 But it wasn't COVID hospitalization at all. It was diagnosed with COVID by a doctor.
Did you even read it?
I'm going to need to you start sourcing your objections as stated earlier at this point, since you can't seem to read anything.
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>>1273799 so you are implying you're more medically knowledgeable than doctors? i await your screeching about jews etc
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>>1273800 Not at all. I haven't deviated from the data presented to me.
And once again, source your objections. Your appeal to authority holds no argumentative value.
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>>1273803 >source your objections to what? your lies? they're lies
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>>1273804 Sure sure. You're getting a little grouchy. I understand you're off in an hour. Maybe get a snack?
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>>1273805 >you're mad i can't prove myself is this what you replaced your "argument" with?
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>>1273807 Threadly reminder to this poster: it's OK to KYS.
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>>1273809 still nothing but ad hom. that's okay, we don't expect much of news shills
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>>1273799 >diagnosed with COVID by a doctor So any young man with a random incidental covid diagnosis that a doctor caught experienced myocarditis at six times the rate of vaccinated young men? Based, that just demonstrates how much the vaccine de-elevates the risk of myocarditis.
>I'm going to need to you start sourcing your objections as stated earlier at this point, since you can't seem to read anything. My objection to the blatant lie that the wikipedia page for the covid vaccine says that the vaccine elevates young mens' risk for myocarditis? My source there is the wikipedia page for the covid vaccine, which does not say that the vaccine elevates young mens' risk for myocarditis.
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>2020: we need to lockdown the economy to protect society >2021: take this experimental vaccine or we will fire you, exclude you from public spaces and make sure you are unemployable >2022: the vaccine is safe, effective and will stop the spread >2023: okay, it doesn't stop the spread and excess deaths are spiking by 10%, but doesn't mean the COVID vaccine didn't help society >2024: we never did the things you say, what are you talking abo- ACK!
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>>1273812 But that's what it says so take it up with wikipedia.
It couldn't be more clear and in plain English.
>So any young man with a random incidental covid diagnosis that a doctor caught experienced myocarditis at six times the rate of vaccinated young men? Yes. Of which there were 5,000 cases when the 300,000 vaccinated cases of myocarditis were removed from the study this is a correct statement.
Provide sources for your claims or receive no further responses.
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>>1273813 >>1273820 chud headcanon is so wild
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>>1273820 >But that's what it says so take it up with wikipedia. You have not provided a quote from the article that says this, you've only failed to comprehend the text.
>Yes. Of which there were 5,000 cases when the 300,000 vaccinated cases of myocarditis were removed from the study this is a correct statement. Quote the line in the study where this phantom 300,000 comes from.
>Provide sources for your claims or receive no further responses. Concession accepted.
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>>1273813 >2020: we need to lockdown the economy to protect society Trump did say that yes.
>2021: take this experimental vaccine or we will fire you, exclude you from public spaces and make sure you are unemployable Sorry the free market bothers you comrade.
>2022: the vaccine is safe, effective and will stop the spread No one said that last part.
>2023: okay, it doesn't stop the spread and excess deaths are spiking by 10%, but doesn't mean the COVID vaccine didn't help society Sadly antivaxxers kept mysteriously dying.
>2024: we never did the things you say, what are you talking abo- ACK! Kek looks like myocarditis got this vaxxlet. One less vote for Trump.
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>>1273867 >Sorry the free market bothers you comrade. Government tampering with the economy is the complete opposite of free market capitalism you fucking retard.
>No one said that last part. THE DIRECTOR OF THE CDC SAID IT, YOU FUCKING RETARD
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>>1273874 >THE DIRECTOR OF THE CDC SAID IT, YOU FUCKING RETARD He didn't. He stated very early on in research that initial data showed promise that the vaccine could potentially make people immune. When further data came out and proved that this wasn't correct he came out and said as much. The issue with the conservative brain is that updating information is impossible for you people. The second you hear something one time that triggers you its impossible to change your perception even if new information proves it wrong.
>Government tampering with the economy is the complete opposite of free market capitalism you fucking retard If you believe in the government stepping in and fining employers for hiring illegals then you believe in the government tampering with the economy. Don't pretend to be against government intervention only when it disagrees with you. Additionally, private firm owners were perfectly within their rights to either require the vaccine or not. The government had nothing to do with that.
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>>1273866 Actually, I accept your concession as you can't use sources to back up your claims.
Thanks again.
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>>1273876 >He She, you faggot ape. Her name was Dr. Rochelle Walensky.
Whatever happened to "two weeks to stop the spread"? Do you remember that one?
>If you believe in the government stepping in and fining employers for hiring illegals then you believe in the government tampering with the economy. I'm not a conservative you fucking idiot.
Ask yourself why the CDC didn't recommend vaccinations for the hordes of unwashed immigrants crossing the border.
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>>1273888 >She, you faggot ape. Her name was Dr. Rochelle Walensky. Can't help but notice you have no argument against what I said.
>Whatever happened to "two weeks to stop the spread"? Do you remember that one? See my response here
>>1273876 . If your brain is incapable of updating your opinion as new information comes out then there's nothing I can do to help you.
>I'm not a conservative you fucking idiot. Your delusional ramblings are indecipherable from one. If it looks like a duck, anon.
>Ask yourself why the CDC didn't recommend vaccinations for the hordes of unwashed immigrants crossing the border. Might want to get your ankles checked after that pivot, anon.
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>>1273874 Good post.
It's literally in the video.
Other anon absolutely cannot recover from this one.
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>>1273896 See
>>1273876 >He didn't. He stated very early on in research that initial data showed promise that the vaccine could potentially make people immune. When further data came out and proved that this wasn't correct he came out and said as much. Anonymous
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>>1273876 >If you believe in the government stepping in and fining employers for hiring illegals then you believe in the government tampering with the economy. Nope. Absolutely not true.
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>>1273896 Yep. That's that lying faggot who just keeps lying.
It's right in the video.
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>>1273904 Your interpretation of the video is wrong.
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>>1273717 Since we’re talking about FL they did this in FL too.