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NYC such a violent shithole, national guard sent into subway

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:21:33 No.1274703 View View Reply Original Report

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https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/03/06/hochul-to-dispatch-750-national-guard-troops-to-nyc-subways-following-spate-of-violence/
https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/4513462-national-guard-members-to-patrol-nyc-subways-hochul-says/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/nyregion/subway-national-guard-police.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTgWrTJGktI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcezfuTdADA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siFwSUc7ESQ

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Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:36:24 No.1274706 Report

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Get ready to open your backpack or bag to National Guard troops or state law enforcement when you ride New York City’s subway.

Gov. Hochul is deploying 750 members of the Guard and 250 state and MTA police officers to subway stations to inspect passengers’ bags following a spate of violent incidents across the system.

“No one heading to their job or to visit family or to go to a doctor’s appointment should worry that the person sitting next to them possesses a deadly weapon,” Hochul said Wednesday beside MTA chairman Janno Lieber in front of a giant system map at the MTA’s Rail Control Center.

“They shouldn’t worry about whether someone’s going to brandish a knife or a gun.”

The random checks will fall well short of the body scans and pat downs of airport-level security. Straphangers are already familiar with how this will work — cops at tables performing random bag checks have appeared at subway turnstiles from time to time in the the 22 years since the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

Transit officials said the state support would simply allow for more such spot checks throughout the system, and that the National Guard, MTA police or other state law enforcement won’t be patrolling the trains.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:37:25 No.1274707 Report

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The additional law enforcement power is one of a slate of state actions Hochul hopes will reduce crime underground — a “five-point plan [to] rid our subways of violent offenders and protect all commuters and transit workers,” as she put it.

“I am sending a message to all New Yorkers — I will not stop working to keep you safe and restore your peace of mind whenever you walk through those turnstiles,” she said

Besides the bag checks, one of the five initiatives is a $20 million plan to beef up the number of clinical teams responding to people in mental distress on subways from two to 10 systemwide.

Hochul said another of her five initiatives is her support for the MTA’s plan to install surveillance cameras inside conductor and train-operator cabs, a direct response to the slashing of MTA conductor Alton Scott, who narrowly survived a random assault last week when he stuck his head out of his cab as his train stopped at a Brooklyn subway station.

Transport Workers Union Local 100 has been against cameras in conductor and operator cabs, citing privacy concerns. The MTA said last week it will install the cameras anyway.

“If a camera had been positioned in Alton Scott’s conductor cabin last Thursday, we probably would have already apprehended the person who slashed his neck,” Hochul said.

“Today I’m directing the MTA to install cameras in every single conductor cabin, as well as [on] platforms that face the cabins,” she added.

No platform-mounted camera caught Scott’s attacker last week either.

MTA officials have stated that the station had multiple working surveillance cameras, but none were pointed at the conductor’s mid-platform position when Scott’s late-night A train pulled into the Rockaway Ave. station in Bedford-Stuyvesant.

Transit brass declined to comment Wednesday on how many other stations might need upgrades to their camera coverage, citing security concerns.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:38:26 No.1274708 Report

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Hochul’s fourth initiative is proposed legislation to ban anyone convicted of an assault on transit from the system for three years. Currently the law allows a ban only on those who are convicted of assaulting a transit worker.

Her fifth initiative is improved coordination between MTA officials and district attorneys and police. That initiative will include regular meetings to discuss subway crime, the first of which is scheduled for next week.

As part of that fifth initiative, Hochul said, the MTA will hire a new “criminal justice advocate to assist the victims of crime in the system,” and develop a system to “flag recidivist offenders” to district attorneys.

NYPD brass and MTA leaders blame the uptick in crime on repeat offenders.

“One percent of subway arrestees, according to the NYPD, are responsible for well over 20% of the crime,” MTA boss Lieber said. “We need to have a collaboration with the [district attorneys] so they have that full information.”

The NYPD is fighting a 16% jump in assaults at city subway stops and trains.

Police have counted 97 assaults in the subway system this year as of Sunday, 13 more than in the same period of 2023.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:39:28 No.1274709 Report

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There have been three homicides on the transit system so far this year. The most recent was two weeks ago, when a man was fatally shot two weeks ago while on board a southbound B train in the Bronx.

On Tuesday, police arrested a man for allegedly stabbing a passenger onboard an uptown A train in what cops described as a hate crime.

Earlier Wednesday, Mayor Adams — who did not join Hochul at the announcement — said NYPD officers will also undertake bag checks in the subway system.

Neither the Mayor nor transit officials would say at which stations the ramped-up bag checks will take place. An Adams’ administration spokesperson said there will be 94 bag screening teams deployed to 136 stations each week.

“They’re going to be a seven-day-a-week operation,” NYPD Transit Chief Michael Kemper said in a Wednesday morning appearance with Adams on CBS New York.

Adams said the checks will be “random” and that the Police Department won’t engage in any “profiling.”

“People who don’t want their bags checked can turn around and not enter the system,” he said.

The governor’s plan to put troops in the subway system was met with alarm from civil libertarians.

“We shouldn’t militarize the MTA when crime rates are falling and budgets are contracting,” Albert Fox Cahn, head of the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project, said in a statement.

“I fear how many New Yorkers will be wrongly arrested or hurt before we recognize that soldiers have no place on the streets of democracy.”

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Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:40:32 No.1274712 Report

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This is what Democrats voted for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:47:04 No.1274724 Report

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How far away from martial law?

rep now, save later

rep now, save later Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:50:13 No.1274726 Report

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>>1274703
As a person of color, if I saw a guy like the OP enter MY subway car, with victim stamped all over him, like a wounded faun, i'd take his lunch money.
He's the perfect person to start getting our reparations from.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:51:17 No.1274728 Report

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I seem to remember NY Dems bitching about stop and frisk.
Now the subways are militarized.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:55:36 No.1274731 Report

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>>1274712
they did not. they voted for the violence, not for the police and national guard to stop the violence. they voted for cashless bail, not for cash bail to keep violent offenders off the streets

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:56:38 No.1274733 Report

Quoted By: >>1274866 >>1275260

>>1274726
the black national guardsman with a rifle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 20:58:56 No.1274734 Report

Quoted By: >>1274738

>>1274731
I think that's what he was saying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 21:04:25 No.1274738 Report

Quoted By: >>1274746

>>1274734
no, he is saying dems voted for the national guard and bail to reduce violence. they did not. dems want more violence

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 21:21:43 No.1274746 Report

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>>1274738
I took it as "Democrats voted for policy so bad is causes enough civil unrest to warrant calling in the National Guard".
Which is what they voted for. I guess we'd need that poster to clarify, but I don't think anyone would assume it's a positive for shit to be so bad you need the deploy the National Guard.
>dems want more violence
This is true so whatever. Some retarded faggot will say "No we don't!" but looking at NY's policies regarding criminals it's obvious they did.
And if they didn't, they're absolutely retarded, so they should really just shut the fuck up and claim they want more crime, or risk looking like the biggest fucktards in the entire world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 22:44:53 No.1274801 Report

Quoted By: >>1274811

>>1274706
>Get ready to open your backpack or bag to National Guard troops when you ride New York City’s subway.

Is this not a violation of The Posse Comitatus Act, which LeftDems claim is the reason the military should not be deployed to control our border?

>cops at tables performing random bag checks

Is this not simply a variation of "stop & frisk", which the LeftDems claim was racist and evil?

>MTA’s plan to install surveillance cameras inside conductor and train-operator cabs

How will this prevent attacks on conductors and other MTA personnel?

>“One percent of subway arrestees, according to the NYPD, are responsible for well over 20% of the crime,”

lol

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Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 22:54:30 No.1274811 Report

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>>1274801
>this not a violation of The Posse Comitatus Act,
Posse Comitatus specifically refers to the army. nasty girls aren't the army. of course, when posse comitatus was passed the national guard wasn't a thing, it was just normal state militias but Woodrow Wilson and FDR both dems, both passed laws that created the current national guard system which is basically just another military branch now. its why dems try to say the national guard are the militias and that only they should have guns under the 2nd amendment, while the national guard bears no resemblance to the militias that existed in 1790
>which LeftDems claim is the reason the military should not be deployed to control our border?
dems pretend the national guard doesn't exist when it comes to doing things they don't want done. remember they sent the national guard to force illegals off of that island obongo lives on knowing the illegals would think it was the army
>Is this not simply a variation of "stop & frisk", which the LeftDems claim was racist and evil?
depends. if it targets blacks its >that evil stop and firsk. if it doesn't then it isn't evil but won't be remotely effective
>lol
yup, casheless bail and blm DAs will do that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 23:11:35 No.1274829 Report

Quoted By: >>1274841 >>1274889

when you silly city slickers gonna realize until the good guys with guns outnumber the bad guys with guns you will never be safe.
When no one is there to protect you or other innocents... YOU can be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 23:18:09 No.1274841 Report

Quoted By: >>1274923

>>1274829
Thanks gun industry shill

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2024 23:18:49 No.1274843 Report

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socioeconomic bros be like
>'wow it must be racism'

rep now, save later

rep now, save later Thu 07 Mar 2024 00:02:09 No.1274866 Report

Quoted By: >>1274868

>>1274733
>the black national guardsman with a rifle?
naw, the wimp OP all alone on the unguarded car

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 00:04:20 No.1274868 Report

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>>1274866
I don't live in NYC and I carry a gun. so keep on coping there, jew

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 00:17:30 No.1274889 Report

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>>1274829
I'd rather bleed out waiting several hours for the police to arrive, who were defunded so it could be longer depending on if there's a bigger emergency that takes precedence, when someone pulls a knife on me and stabs me, which the police couldn't have prevented anyway since it happened so quickly that even if police were there I would have still been stabbed.
This is what being logical, intelligent and darn good person is all about. When will you Cletuses learn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 01:15:38 No.1274923 Report

Quoted By: >>1274954

>>1274841
Sorry you'd rather be a serf than a citizen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 01:21:05 No.1274929 Report

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 02:32:12 No.1274954 Report

Quoted By: >>1274986

>>1274923
Naah the people with guns are still serfs but they like it when it's easier the serfs kill themselves and each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 02:56:26 No.1274971 Report

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These are positive changes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 03:07:42 No.1274986 Report

Quoted By: >>1275048

>>1274954
Try saying that again, but in English this time, Raj.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 06:22:45 No.1275048 Report

Quoted By: >>1275049

>>1274986
You are a tool of multinational gun corporations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 07:01:03 No.1275049 Report

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>>1275048
dems say, while sucking off real defense contractors like lockheed and raython
the only gun companies that are mulinational are the european ones and one japanese company and they are only multinational so they can sell to the US

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 07:30:50 No.1275051 Report

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They gotta get those hundreds of homeless out of the tunnels so that they can be forced to live in slums they can't afford.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 07:42:08 No.1275052 Report

Quoted By: >>1275054 >>1275059

They homicide rate in NYC is lower than half the (mostly red) states and the national average (mostly driven up by red states).

The moral of the story is that ending Reconstruction was a mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 07:49:38 No.1275054 Report

Quoted By: >>1275055

>>1275052
>They homicide rate in NYC is lower than half the (mostly red) states and the national average (mostly driven up by red states).
murder rate in red states is almost entirely black on black in democrat run cities
>The moral of the story is that ending Reconstruction was a mistake.
the GOP were the ones who did reconstruction

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 08:11:33 No.1275055 Report

Quoted By: >>1275182

>>1275054
>murder rate in red states is almost entirely black on black in democrat run cities
>NYC doesn't have minorities

>the GOP were the ones who did reconstruction
Yeah. It's a shame they sold the fuck out to white southerners. Remember when white southerners tried to do a terrorism and burn down NYC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 08:16:49 No.1275059 Report

Quoted By: >>1275173

>>1275052
Why yes, red states are generally more "diverse".
Weird way to notice.

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>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< Thu 07 Mar 2024 15:42:33 No.1275108 Report

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>>1274703
defund da pawlee-ack

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 19:13:43 No.1275173 Report

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>>1275059
NYC, you illiterate crab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 19:22:41 No.1275182 Report

Quoted By: >>1275192 >>1275220

>>1275055
>>NYC doesn't have minorities
NYC was a violent shithole until the 90s when Guliani had all the homeless euthanized and had all the blacks stopped and frisked on site

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 19:51:56 No.1275192 Report

Quoted By: >>1275193 >>1275199

>>1275182
So what you're saying is NYC isn't a violent shithole and hasn't been for a generation?

As opposed to red states which continue to be a stain on this country?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 19:54:16 No.1275193 Report

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>>1275192
Not him but only zoomers don't remember Guiliani "disneyfying" NYC

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 20:23:32 No.1275199 Report

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>>1275192
NYC is trending back to the bad old days. You are a zoomer fag so you don't remember that for 20 years they killed the homeless and stopped and frisked blacks and only stopped doing that shit 10 years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:09:02 No.1275220 Report

Quoted By: >>1275269

>>1275182
>until the 90s when Guliani had all the homeless euthanized
Chud head cannon is wild

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:12:41 No.1275222 Report

Quoted By: >>1275223 >>1275271 >>1275272

>>1274703
When schools were being shot up every other week wasn't it the GOP plan to put armed guards in every school? How is this any different? I'm struggling to rationalize OP's characterization of this being a bad thing. Is it bad that there's going to be armed guards keeping people safe in subways? I don't understand.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:13:24 No.1275223 Report

Quoted By: >>1275226

>>1275222
the gop wants to arm teachers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:17:25 No.1275226 Report

Quoted By: >>1275238 >>1275272

>>1275223
I know there is that but there was also this push to put armed guards in schools, specifically retired veterans. I think the GOP in Missouri actually passed a bill through their senate. Not sure what happened to it but, again, I'm struggling to understand why this news is bad. Why complain about NYC being this crime infested shithole and then complain when people look for solutions - particularly when those solutions pretty much mirror conservative policies.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:26:45 No.1275238 Report

Quoted By: >>1275240

>>1275226
>$28.5 billion dollars per year to put 3 veterans in every school not counting leave, training, benefits, vacation, weekends, overtime, or summers. That would be roughly half of what Russia spends annually on their entire military and about 4% of the US defense budget. It would also be larger than the combined budget of all 60 Department of Health and Human Services programs supporting children and low income families.
it would make tons more sense to force the police to have comprehensive responses to school shooters

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:28:08 No.1275240 Report

Quoted By: >>1275242 >>1275246 >>1275273

>>1275238
You're not engaging with what I'm saying. I'm asking why this story is being presented like its a bad thing. Is it bad that the mayor is taking extraordinary steps to keep people safe in subways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:30:18 No.1275242 Report

Quoted By: >>1275245 >>1275246

>>1275240
people don't like being occupied by their own military forces, it's similar to what you're saying about the school shooter solution being veterans. instead of employing the military on top of the police, forcing the police to be more professional would be preferred, thought police organizations fight extremely hard and have too much leverage to be cowed

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:33:56 No.1275245 Report

Quoted By: >>1275250 >>1275274

>>1275242
>instead of employing the military on top of the police, forcing the police to be more professional would be preferred, thought police organizations fight extremely hard and have too much leverage to be cowed
So I guess what you're landing on is that, in principal, having armed forces in the subway is actually a good decision by the mayor but you would just prefer that another agency handle it instead of the national guard. Am I getting that correct?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:34:07 No.1275246 Report

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>>1275242
>>1275240
people don't like being occupied by their own military forces, it's similar to what you're saying about the school shooter solution being veterans. instead of employing the military on top of the police, forcing the police to be more professional would be preferred, though police organizations fight extremely hard and have too much leverage to be cowed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 21:39:36 No.1275250 Report

Quoted By: >>1275254

>>1275245
>having armed forces in the subway is actually a good decision by the mayor
the police are already a heavily armed presence stationed all over new york, america as a whole has always had significantly militarized police. it would be better if the social ills that cause people to be fucked up were addressed so none of it would be necessary in the first place, but one thing i will criticize liberals for is the inability to recognize that as a generality, some people are too old to change their ways; the secret to dealing with strife lies in guiding the youth before they become corrupted in the first place

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 22:10:22 No.1275254 Report

Quoted By: >>1275256 >>1275257

>>1275250
>it would be better if the social ills that cause people to be fucked up were addressed so none of it would be necessary in the first place
Agreed, but half the country is ok with drug addiction, and probably nobody is going to do anything to address BET, MTV and gangster culture

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 22:25:25 No.1275256 Report

Quoted By: >>1275275 >>1275353 >>1275364 >>1277343

>>1275254
If you want to get rid of gangster culture, the best way to do that is make the illicit drug trade unprofitable. The best way to do that is to decriminalize drug use, and legalize weed nationwide.

Just like the mob during prohibition, gangs profit off of the fact that the feds will go after you for possessing or selling drugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 22:30:15 No.1275257 Report

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>>1275254
>Agreed, but half the country is ok with drug addiction
it's a matter of freedom vs safety, do you want every car to require a breathalyzer test before it starts? it would massively improve america's death toll but ultimately be an unpopular proposition

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 22:33:05 No.1275260 Report

Quoted By: >>1275261

>>1274733
>the black national guardsman with a rifle?
you know that rifle is unloaded, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 22:50:41 No.1275261 Report

Quoted By: >>1275276

>>1275260
Most anons have never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:12:24 No.1275269 Report

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>>1275220
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani#/media/File:Giuliani_crime_rate.png
seethe

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:14:29 No.1275271 Report

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>>1275222
>When schools were being shot up every other week
they aren't. the vast majority of school shootings were made up
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality
and the ones that do occur are mostly blacks and hispanics
https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-04/REV1MTP-FS-DATA-DOWNLOAD-42023-04-16-5d2e59.png

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:15:31 No.1275272 Report

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>>1275226
>>1275222
dems in black and hispanic schools refuse to put cops or guards in the school because they say it results in the kids going to jail for crimes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:16:32 No.1275273 Report

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>>1275240
>Is it bad that the mayor
the mayor didn't do shit. the governor did

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:18:17 No.1275274 Report

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>>1275245
the issue is this doesn't really solve the problem. that problem being that cashless bail and the BLM DA make it so there are no consequences for doing crimes anyway. again, the guy who forcefed a woman actual shit on the subway got out of jail did a hate crime got out again and slept in his own bed all in the same day

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:20:44 No.1275275 Report

Quoted By: >>1275278

>>1275256
retard alert retard alert retard alert
oregon legalized crack and heroine and fentynol and their rate of overdose spiked. legalized weed also caused a spike in the murder rate because weed causes a significant portion of the pop to become violent savages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:22:14 No.1275276 Report

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>>1275261
posse comitatus explicitly doesn't apply to the nasty girls because "they aren't the military". the fucking navy and marines weren't under posse comitatus until 2021

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:32:13 No.1275278 Report

Quoted By: >>1275279

>>1275275
state level drug policies will never be ubiquitous unless the federal government is in lockstep. safe drugs in oregon would require all the illegal production methods to disappear or at least become less cost effective, and the cheapest hard drugs are cut with dangerous things and still available. and weed phobia is hilarious in 2024

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:36:20 No.1275279 Report

Quoted By: >>1275280

>>1275278
>state level drug policies will never be ubiquitous unless the federal government is in lockstep. safe drugs in oregon would require all the illegal production methods to disappear or at least become less cost effective, and the cheapest hard drugs are cut with dangerous things and still available.
sounds like tons of cope. legalizing drugs doesn't work. what does it putting junkies and dealers in jail for 25 to life like we did in the 90s
>. and weed phobia is hilarious in 2024
keep denying the science in favor of your religion, faggot. there are multiple studies that show weed use is associated with violent crime
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6461328/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:38:35 No.1275280 Report

Quoted By: >>1275281

>>1275279
>putting junkies in jail for life
never happened

>this illegally scheduled drug is associated with crime
hmm, you don't say

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:43:08 No.1275281 Report

Quoted By: >>1275283

>>1275280
>never happened
then what are dems and blacks bitching about when they complain about "mass incarceration"?
>hmm, you don't say
its associated with crime in states that legalized it. there is a segment of the population that turn into violent apes when exposed to weed. again, multiple studies say this. but you refuse to believe the science because jerking off while on weed is your religion. its why churches and gun stores had to be shut down during covid because "its too dangerous, stop the spread" but weed stores were considered essential businesses and opened to everyone without appointment. because god forbid someone does their first or second amendment rights, but the weed addicts need their fix and if they give a cancer or hiv patient coof, then so be it.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:45:13 No.1275283 Report

Quoted By: >>1275284

>>1275281
>when they complain about "mass incarceration"?
one common policy until the obama era was a 5 year sentence for 5 grams of crack cocaine vs 500 grams of regular cocaine. not life, still fucked up

>violent apes
you're going to have to be less emotional if you want me to take you seriously

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:46:57 No.1275284 Report

Quoted By: >>1275285

>>1275283
>one common policy until the obama era was a 5 year sentence for 5 grams of crack cocaine vs 500 grams of regular cocaine. not life, still fucked up
we need to start it up again. it was effective at stopping crime
>you're going to have to be less emotional if you want me to take you seriously
again, you refuse to believe in evidence based, peer reviewed science because jerking off while high on weed is your religion and you don't give a shit about how many people have to die, you want your weed. hell you don't even care about crime or whatever you are arguing, you just want to be able to smoke crack

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:49:13 No.1275285 Report

Quoted By: >>1275286 >>1275288

>>1275284
>why are they complaining? "it was unfair to them" GOOD
uh

>you refuse to believe my unhinged ass
with good reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:54:31 No.1275286 Report

Quoted By: >>1275287

>>1275285
>uh
What's the problem, anon?

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:56:31 No.1275287 Report

Quoted By: >>1275290

>>1275286
i see you lack context, though you have all the information you need. keep lurking and maybe you'll get it one day

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:57:09 No.1275288 Report

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>>1275285
>uh
has a significantly higher absorption rate than coke and drug crimes should result in harsh punishments. putting them in jail in the 90s worked
>with good reason
I didn't say believe me, I said believe the dozens of peer reviewed article that say as much. but you won't because to you being able to smoke weed and crack are what is important and you won't let evidence get in your way

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2024 23:59:34 No.1275290 Report

Quoted By: >>1275291

>>1275287
I understand the context, I'm just curious what your hangup is.

Drug users and sellers are killing our society and you seem to get caught up on the aspect of fairness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:01:12 No.1275291 Report

Quoted By: >>1275299 >>1275305 >>1275310

>>1275290
fairness is important, but mainly, fixing the problem at its root is. coke is what makes crack, why not target that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:10:14 No.1275299 Report

Quoted By: >>1275301 >>1275302

>>1275291
>fixing the problem at its root is
We would, but people like you cry out when we attempt to resolve difficult situations.

Prison, for example, is a compromise between fixing the drug problem permanently and simply letting it continue unabated. But a great many progressives don't even want that; presumably because they believe incarceration is more of a problem than actual crime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:12:34 No.1275301 Report

Quoted By: >>1275303

>>1275299
>i agree with you but i still the need to feel superior
alright dog

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:13:35 No.1275302 Report

Quoted By:

>>1275299
>i agree with you but i still feel the need to be superior
alright dog

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:14:27 No.1275303 Report

Quoted By: >>1275307

>>1275301
>i agree with you
Read between the lines, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:15:46 No.1275305 Report

Quoted By: >>1275313

>>1275291
>why not target that
because black activists in the 1980's petitioned HARD for aggressive sentencing on crack. That's why Biden caught zero flak for playing such a big role in the crime bill - black leaders back in the day were some of its biggest advocates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:19:56 No.1275307 Report

Quoted By: >>1275317

>>1275303
read the thread, i'm not going to repeat myself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:24:51 No.1275310 Report

Quoted By: >>1275313

>>1275291
because cracks has a significantly higher absorption rate. you can get higher on crack that is the same mass as coke

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:29:01 No.1275313 Report

Quoted By: >>1275315 >>1275324

>>1275305
>>1275310
but crack requires coke, it would be impossible to stop crack dealership without dealing with its prerequisite. do you actually care or is it political points

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:30:19 No.1275315 Report

Quoted By: >>1275318

>>1275313
>do you actually care or is it political points
You asked why its more strictly criminalized and I told you: black activists and community leaders.

As for dealing with drugs, I have a solution: you're going to hate it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:31:11 No.1275317 Report

Quoted By:

>>1275307
I don't agree with you, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:31:20 No.1275318 Report

Quoted By: >>1275322 >>1275326

>>1275315
and i told you that a faulty solution is just a lie

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:33:28 No.1275321 Report

Quoted By:

>impede solutions, turn them into half-measures
>'why isn't this working?'
Well gee anon, I don't know

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:33:51 No.1275322 Report

Quoted By:

>>1275318
>and i told you that a faulty solution is just a lie
You dont know the solution and you have already discounted it? Wow, what a knowledge seeker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:35:07 No.1275324 Report

Quoted By: >>1275327

>>1275313
>but crack requires coke,
do you have any source showing how much crack is manufactured in the US? also we aren't legalizing coke. I said before, I want anyone caught with narcotics to get 25 to life. you want to be allowed to smoke crack

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:36:09 No.1275326 Report

Quoted By: >>1275329 >>1275336

>>1275318
>and i told you that a faulty solution is just a lie
but then you suggested legalizing crack like oregon did which lead to them leading the nation in ODs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:36:36 No.1275327 Report

Quoted By: >>1275330

>>1275324
aren't right wingers supposed to understand how markets work

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:38:04 No.1275329 Report

Quoted By:

>>1275326
Oregon is trying to ban drugs again. Lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:38:56 No.1275330 Report

Quoted By: >>1275334

>>1275327
you said coke is used to make crack. is there any evidence this is happening in large quantities in the US? or is the more likely thing that crack is manufactured in latin America and then shipped as crack to the US?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:44:10 No.1275334 Report

Quoted By: >>1275335

>>1275330
>or is the more likely thing that crack is manufactured in latin America and then shipped as crack to the US?
which is another problem entirely, which still isn't solved by arresting crackheads and minor dealers. this original argument was ostensibly about heroin, which has been replaced by fentanyl, and all three of those issues could be addressed better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:48:01 No.1275335 Report

Quoted By: >>1275336

>>1275334
>which still isn't solved by arresting crackheads and minor dealers.
it literally is. arresting drug users and dealers and putting them in jail for years during the 90s made the murder rate drop by half. it works. it is proven to work.
what doesn't work is legalizing drugs. oregon and portual have proven that. you don't care about evidence based legislature though, you just want to be able to smoke weed and crack

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 00:52:02 No.1275336 Report

Quoted By: >>1275338

>>1275326
Legalizing drugs isn't designed to reduce drug use - its designed to end the burden on the criminal justice system. Arresting drug users does nothing. We've been doing it for 50 years and its been a trillion dollar failure.

>>1275335
>it literally is. arresting drug users and dealers and putting them in jail for years during the 90s made the murder rate drop by half. it works. it is proven to work.
Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:00:22 No.1275338 Report

Quoted By: >>1275342 >>1275348

>>1275336
>Legalizing drugs isn't designed to reduce drug use
cool, so it does nothing, actually no, it does worse than nothing.
>its designed to end the burden on the criminal justice system.
there is no burden on the criminal justice system
>Arresting drug users does nothing. We've been doing it for 50 years and its been a trillion dollar failure.
this is false as fuck. arresting drug users in the 90s resulted in murder rates dropping by half
>Source?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/asher-ucr-2016-0922-1-corrected.png
https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/asher-ucr-2016-0922-4.png

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:10:05 No.1275342 Report

Quoted By: >>1275344

>>1275338
it certainly makes the prison industry richer than any other country's

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:12:09 No.1275344 Report

Quoted By: >>1275345 >>1275350

>>1275342
so just stop feeding them. also the countries you are going to try to compare the US to are like 85%+ white, or japan or south korea. they don't have the criminal demographic the US does

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:15:15 No.1275345 Report

Quoted By: >>1275346

>>1275344
i'm comparing to the entire globe, including china (allegedly)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:15:55 No.1275346 Report

Quoted By: >>1275347

>>1275345
not many blacks in china. weird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:16:42 No.1275347 Report

Quoted By: >>1275349

>>1275346
weird, racist deflection but okay, if you're done talking about this i'll be out of here

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:18:55 No.1275348 Report

Quoted By: >>1275352

>>1275338
>cool, so it does nothing, actually no, it does worse than nothing.
It reduces the cost of arresting, imprisoning then arresting and imprisoning again. Did you not read my sentence?

>there is no burden on the criminal justice system
That's cool you think that but every state and government body disagrees with you. Every time some small time criminal goes free its because there's literally not enough beds. We have the largest prison system on the planet and still not enough room to house every drug user we find.

>this is false as fuck. arresting drug users in the 90s resulted in murder rates dropping by half
Even if I take you at your word, the giant issue with drug policy in the 80s and 90s is that it shifted the problem off another generation. A lot of cities saw an initial alleviation of drug issues during the first big arrest waves but what happens as the children of those imprisoned people have children and so and so fourth - the socioeconomic conditions that cause drug use and crime simply compound. As those drug dealers get out of prison they still live in a shitty neighborhood with bad schools. They don't stop committing crime. They don't stop doing drugs. As it turns out, not only does imprisoning drug users not reduce drug use in any meaningful way, it makes it that much more likely that their children, growing up in broken, fatherless homes, will also take to a life of drugs and crime.

>https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/asher-ucr-2016-0922-1-corrected.png
Ah, okay. You have no source. You don't even understand the difference between correlation and causation. This makes a lot more sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:19:40 No.1275349 Report

Quoted By: >>1275351

>>1275347
your entire argument is we need to legalize drugs, because that will work, just like it worked in oregon (it didn't) because you don't want blacks to go to jail for crime (which objectively lowered violent crime rates)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:21:29 No.1275350 Report

Quoted By: >>1275353

>>1275344
>also the countries you are going to try to compare the US to are like 85%+ white, or japan or south korea. they don't have the criminal demographic the US does
West Virginia is 93% white and they have the highest drug overdose death rates in the entire country. Sorry to burst your /pol/ narrative but data shows that simply being white doesn't fix societal problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:21:55 No.1275351 Report

Quoted By: >>1275353

>>1275349
Who are you arguing with who said all we need to do is legalize drugs? Are you okay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:22:27 No.1275352 Report

Quoted By: >>1275359

>>1275348
>It reduces the cost of arresting, imprisoning then arresting and imprisoning again. Did you not read my sentence?
cool, give them life in jail then. saves cost.
>That's cool you think that but every state and government body disagrees with you.
CITATION NEEDED
>Every time some small time criminal goes free its because there's literally not enough beds. We have the largest prison system on the planet and still not enough room to house every drug user we find.
build camps in the desert
>Even if I take you at your word, the giant issue with drug policy in the 80s and 90s is that it shifted the problem off another generation. A lot of cities saw an initial alleviation of drug issues during the first big arrest waves but what happens as the children of those imprisoned people have children and so and so fourth - the socioeconomic conditions that cause drug use and crime simply compound. As those drug dealers get out of prison they still live in a shitty neighborhood with bad schools. They don't stop committing crime. They don't stop doing drugs. As it turns out, not only does imprisoning drug users not reduce drug use in any meaningful way, it makes it that much more likely that their children, growing up in broken, fatherless homes, will also take to a life of drugs and crime.
CITATION FUCKING NEEDED.
it showed murder rates dropped by literally half
>Ah, okay. You have no source. You don't even understand the difference between correlation and causation. This makes a lot more sense.
no this thing you have evidence for isn't actually evidence because uh reasons
also legalizing drugs will work because uh well there is no evidence and oregon proves the opposite, but just trust me dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:24:40 No.1275353 Report

Quoted By: >>1275361

>>1275350
west virginia literally has lower murder rates than the surrounding states
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Homicide_rates_per_100%2C000_by_state._FBI._US_map.svg
>>1275351
see>>1275256
samefag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:31:11 No.1275359 Report

Quoted By: >>1275363 >>1275364

>>1275352
>cool, give them life in jail then. saves cost.
Keeping people in prison for longer does not save costs, anon. Its literally the most expensive form of imprisonment there is.

>CITATION NEEDED
>https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/12/21/overcrowding/
Overcrowding has been an issue for decades, anon. How do you not know about this?

>it showed murder rates dropped by literally half
You don't know the difference between correlation and causation. You don't have even the base knowledge to understand why a graph of a line going down doesn't prove your point.

>no this thing you have evidence for isn't actually evidence because uh reasons
Google correlation vs. causation. You have provided evidence that murder went down in the 90's. You have provided zero evidence that this trend was specifically caused by mass incarceration. This is like 8th grade stats.

>also legalizing drugs will work because uh well there is no evidence and oregon proves the opposite, but just trust me dude
You are literally arguing with yourself. I never made any argument that just legalizing drugs will fix everyone's drug problems. You made that up in your head. You're actually too schizophrenic to have this conversation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:34:08 No.1275361 Report

Quoted By: >>1275365

>>1275353
>west virginia literally has lower murder rates than the surrounding states
Nice pivot. Nobody is talking about murder rates. I said drug overdose deaths. If I use your mode of analysis and compare the U.S. to Japan then the problem is being American, not white. Racial homogeneity doesn't fix anything. If it did, West Virginia wouldn't be such a shithole, would it? Can't really blame problems on blacks in a state that's 93% white, can you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:39:44 No.1275363 Report

Quoted By:

>>1275359
Okay, not that anon and I am going to give you a sincere answer.

>Keeping people in prison for longer does not save costs, anon. Its literally the most expensive form of imprisonment there is.
Addiction per se is not a crime, people aren't catching a dime because they have a chemical addiction. Usually its because of possession and 99% of states have possesion laws where you only get real time if you have enough on you for it to be considered "with intent to distribute"

As for
>it doesnt save money
It does because of the concept of "incapacitation". Incapacitation is the idea that while someone is behind bars, they cannot commit more crimes. So, consider that for a really bad heroin addiction you're looking at $800-1400 per week. To pay for that you have to commit petty crimes, shoplifting, stealing catalytic converters etc. While you're behind bars you're not stealing $5600 per month. The national average for cost per day per prisoner is $107.85. Thats $3200 per month. So, in this case you're saving somewhere around $2k per month on our hypothetical prisoner.

And then there is that fact that you now have opportunities to start interventions into the addiction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:42:49 No.1275364 Report

Quoted By:

>>1275359
>Keeping people in prison for longer does not save costs, anon. Its literally the most expensive form of imprisonment there is.
cheaper than letting them out to do crimes
>>https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/12/21/overcrowding/
this is a think tank run by a jew. you said
> every state and government body disagrees with you.
I want to see a source from each and every state and government body saying having drug laws puts an undue burden on the criminal justice system
>You don't know the difference between correlation and causation. You don't have even the base knowledge to understand why a graph of a line going down doesn't prove your point.
noooo it was just correlation, trust my plan of legalizing crack, it only cause crime and ODs to go up in oregon. evidence isn't real reeeeee
>You have provided evidence that murder went down in the 90's
weird how it went back up when obongo and the dems legalized weed and stopped putting people in jail for drugs
>You are literally arguing with yourself. I never made any argument that just legalizing drugs will fix everyone's drug problems.
see>>1275256
liar

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:43:50 No.1275365 Report

Quoted By: >>1275367 >>1275368

>>1275361
weird that you want to move the goal posts so hard after getting btfo'd.
throwing drug users in jail lowers violent crime, and that is a good thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:55:31 No.1275367 Report

Quoted By: >>1275371

>>1275365
>throwing drug users in jail lowers violent crime
I disagree

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 01:56:10 No.1275368 Report

Quoted By: >>1275371

>>1275365
What's the violent crime rate in prison out of curiosity?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 02:05:13 No.1275371 Report

Quoted By: >>1275373

>>1275367
then you are wrong and are arguing against evidence
>>1275368
who gives a shit? we should let them battle royale

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 02:13:08 No.1275373 Report

Quoted By: >>1275376 >>1275402

>>1275371
>who gives a shit?
You argued locking people up for nonviolent offenses lowers the violent crime rate. If you're subjecting people to conditions that INCREASE the violent crime rate and simply not counting the crime that happens, in conditions you've orchestrated, that seems both evil and dishonest.

That is like sending old people off to sea on chunks of ice to lower the death rate. You aren't really accomplishing anything and your ideas for doing so are just designed to maximize human suffering.

People like you have been behind every purge and famine in history. You're a waste of carbon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 02:23:40 No.1275376 Report

Quoted By: >>1275382 >>1275478

>>1275373
>You argued locking people up for nonviolent offenses lowers the violent crime rate.
it does, because drug users do violent crimes. weed causes violence. narcotic addicts do violence to get money for their narcotic hobby
> If you're subjecting people
please don't call them people
> If you're subjecting people to conditions that INCREASE the violent crime rate
A. I didn't subject them to shit, they did it themselves
B. putting them in jail lowers the violent crime rate, see the 90s
> in conditions you've orchestrated, that seems both evil and dishonest.
no, drug users are evil and dishonest and that is why they belong behind bars
>That is like sending old people off to sea on chunks of ice to lower the death rate.
total non sequitur, olds didn't do crimes
>You aren't really accomplishing anything
literally lowering the violent crime rate in the US for normal people, as we did in the 90s
>your ideas for doing so are just designed to maximize human suffering.
a. please don't call them human
b. it minimizes human suffering by removing them from actual people they harm
>People like you have been behind every purge and famine in history.
no, that would be the communists
>You're a waste of carbon.
you seem pissed someone is against your crack hobby

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 02:52:08 No.1275382 Report

Quoted By: >>1275478 >>1275536

>>1275376
tl;dr

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 03:51:17 No.1275402 Report

Quoted By: >>1275477

>>1275373
>You aren't really accomplishing anything and your ideas for doing so are just designed to maximize human suffering.
The Eskimos did that out of necessity to lessen the burden on the social group, not because they had a choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 08:22:32 No.1275477 Report

Quoted By:

>>1275402
They didn't even fucking do it at all. It's a popular myth (although similar practices did happen).

More to the fucking point, did you literally just fucking defend killing the elderly to reduce resource consumption?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 08:29:05 No.1275478 Report

Quoted By: >>1275539

>>1275376
I read it. Good post.
>>1275382
So?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 16:20:00 No.1275536 Report

Quoted By: >>1275539

>>1275382
>get btfo'd
>muh muh ttttl;ddddrreeeeeeeee

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Mar 2024 16:34:56 No.1275539 Report

Quoted By:

>>1275478
>>1275536
Be less obvious

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2024 17:02:13 No.1277309 Report

Quoted By: >>1277311

I love how many of you are looking to the 'drug war' in the 90s as a reason for violent crime being reduced, and not looking to what happened ~20 years earlier. Roe vs. Wade in 1973. Less unwanted babies = less uncared for children = less teens and young adults to commit crimes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2024 17:09:55 No.1277311 Report

Quoted By:

>>1277309
>blacks are all violent criminals and therefore we need to murder them as babies
weird take there, liberal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Mar 2024 21:01:01 No.1277343 Report

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>>1275256
>If you want to get rid of gangster culture, the best way to do that is make the illicit drug trade unprofitable.

the VERY best way is mandatory sterilization of anyone convicted of a violent misdemeanor or a felony. we have to start weeding these types the fuck out of the gene pool.

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