Pope Francis tells the truth to Zelensky the Mad, Ruler of Ashes; he's lost, and it's time to give up and negotiate peace with Russia.
https://apnews.com/article/pope-ukraine-war-russia-negotiations-defeat-turkey-6adb3177a654489255ac4bcbf0319ffb Pope Francis: Ukraine should have the courage of the ‘white flag,’ negotiate end of war with Russia
Pope Francis said in an interview that Ukraine, facing a possible defeat, should have the courage to negotiate an end to the war with Russia and not be ashamed to sit at the same table to carry out peace talks.
The pope made his appeal during an interview recorded last month with Swiss broadcaster RSI, which was partially released on Saturday.
“I think that the strongest one is the one who looks at the situation, thinks about the people and has the courage of the white flag, and negotiates,” Francis said, adding that talks should take place with the help of international powers.
Ukraine remains firm on not engaging directly with Russia on peace talks, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said multiple times the initiative in peace negotiations must belong to the country which has been invaded.
Russia is gaining momentum on the battlefield in the war now in its third year and Ukraine is running low on ammunition. Meanwhile, some of Ukraine’s allies in the West are delicately raising the prospect of sending troops.
Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni said Saturday that Francis picked up the “white flag” term that had been used by the interviewer. He issued a statement of clarification after the pope’s “white flag” comments sparked criticism that he was siding with Russia in the conflict.
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Throughout the war, Francis has tried to maintain the Vatican’s traditional diplomatic neutrality, but that has often been accompanied by apparent sympathy with the Russian rationale for invading Ukraine, such as when he noted that NATO was “barking at Russia’s door” with its eastward expansion. Francis said in the RSI interview that “the word negotiate is a courageous word.” “When you see that you are defeated, that things are not going well, you have to have the courage to negotiate,” he said. “Negotiations are never a surrender.” The pope also reminded people that some countries have offered to act as mediators in the conflict. “Today, for example, in the war in Ukraine, there are many who want to mediate,” he said. “Turkey has offered itself for this. And others. Do not be ashamed to negotiate before things get worse.” Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan — whose NATO-member country has sought to balance its close relations with both Ukraine and Russia — has offered during a visit Friday from Zelenskyy to host a peace summit between the two countries.
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This is why the west fell hundreds of years before the east.
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imagine caring what the pope says.
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No one cares what the homosexual Pope Ivan thinks. Zelensjy should fight until the last man, then import blacks directly from Africa to rebuild as cheap labor. That is the rational solution because a Ukraine is an important economic zone and doesn't need it's people.
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was roman catholicism ever actually relevant. they always needed cowriter
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>>1276154 Is there really a reason to sage on this board?
Does this upset you?
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>>1276156 i'm not upset that you're upset if that helps
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was roman catholicism ever actually relevant. they always needed a cowriter
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>>1276157 Well I'm not upset I just want you to take your meds
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>>1276159 Is religion relevant other than to oppress people in the name of the sky daddy gang?
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>>1276175 Never happened anywhere heathens shouldn't have left.
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>>1276175 They have large numbers of homeless shelters, food banks and hospitals
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>>1276194 Literally the largest charity in history.
Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew Of The Holy Orthodox Church
Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew Of The Holy Orthodox Church Sun 10 Mar 2024 08:17:45 No. 1276200 Report Quoted By:
>>1276137 God damned papists.
This is the orthodox church
Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew Head Of The Holy Orthodox Church, World Leader For Peace And Reconciliation - Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America - Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America is our leader.
And anyway, Zelensky's a jew and takes his orders from Israel, as he may need to immigrate there one day when Putin takes over.
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>>1276129 saw some posts that the pope got put on ukraine's enemy of the people's hitlist because of this the Myrotvvorets
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>>1276211 If ukraine wants more support worldwide they really should stop maintaining a public list of assassination targets with journalists and religious leaders in it.
Literally the *only* read they are supported right now is because Russia is their enemy. They are being used to thin Russian military, but nobody actually wants them to win the conflict. They are only slightly less unlikable than Russia.
If their enemy were literally anyone besides Russia nobody would give a shit. A Kaiju could come out the the black sea and start leveling their country and the rest of Europe would either just build a wall to keep them contained to their misery, or just glass the country
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>>1276228 They aren't the ones who started the war, though. Every country has the right to defend itself. Russia are the ones keeping the war going
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>>1276129 who would have thought the jew who worships the devil would be allies of communism?
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>>1276234 They are being used as a pawn to thin out Russian military. They've gone two years now without a successful offensive.
The only thing keeping them going is Europe and US giving them just enough aid to defend themselves but not enough to win.
They are just the newest pawn in America's endless games of proxy wars with sand people, snow apes, and bug people
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>>1276239 So they should just roll over and let their invaders win?
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>>1276243 Yes, that's my entire point. They've lost the eastern territories and have no chance of reclaiming them now. It's been 2 years since a successful offensive.
The *only* people benefiting from this are the defense industry and the countries which are using it as a strategic move against Russia.
Ukraine is not benefitting from keeping the war going, neither is Russia.
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>>1276247 >ukraine is only defending themselves for the MIC do you only eat food because you're a pawn of big agriculture
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>>1276250 >ukraine is only defending themselves for the MIC I dont care if they are defending themselves because Zelensky had a vision he believed to be God telling him to keep fighting.
The fighting is benefitting literally nobody at this point except the MIC and people using it for a strategic battle against Russia. It's not good for Ukraine, it's not good for Europe, it's not good for anyone. Even if Ukraine were to take back the eastern territories they would be reclaiming rubble and debris.
Nobody is trying to let Ukraine win this fight, they are exploiting Ukraine as much (or even more) than Russia by using Ukraines bad situation as a way to continually thin Russian military and gain intelligence on Russian capabilities.
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>>1276254 it's benefitting ukraine, they've proven the right to exist. your talking points are stale
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>>1276257 >it's benefitting ukraine Yeah I'm sure they are getting huge value out of their people dying, national conscription, being bombed daily, and having to turn their own cities into rubble.
You fucking retard. seriously. Do you even have thoughts of your own or do you just consume endless propaganda?
You are literally no different than the people who supported fighting for the "freedom" of afghans and Iraqis. Or the people who supported the contras fighting for democracy in Nicaragua
You are the bush era republicans
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>>1276257 I don't think you know what "talking points" means considering you are literally just repeating "talking points" from social media progressives and sock puppets.
You definitely don't have an argument against any statement I've said. You've actually just repeated short, canned stale talking points yourself
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>>1276239 >>1276250 ukraine is staying at war because biden has to send money to ukranian oligarchs and the American MIC in exchange for all the bribes they gave him, hunter, obongo and clinton
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>>1276261 The first half of this is rather true. The second half is bullshit, and something tells me you know this
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>>1276262 >no the ukraine energy company just happened to give hunter a 6 figure job for no reason at all and joe randomly got the prosecutor who was looking at the bribery fired Anonymous
lol at the shills today. they're everywhere, probably because of yet another russian a-50 loss
also,
https://apnews.com/article/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a >Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin’s government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse. >Manafort pitched the plans to aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-oligarch-deripaska-says-western-sanctions-wont-stop-ukraine-war-ft-2023-09-26/ >Since the Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, Deripaska himself has been sanctioned by Britain for his alleged ties to Putin. He has mounted a legal challenge against the sanctions. >"Believing that the sanctions will stop [the war] or create regime change or somehow make us closer to the end of the conflict...No. We need to have another solution," he was quoted by the FT as saying. Anonymous
>>1276265 Oh wow that's a lot of whatabout you have there.
Calling everyone Russian. Wow. Did you work for Hillary Clinton with her campaign strategy team?
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>>1276265 What in the world does any of your green text vomit have to do with the thread?
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>>1276267 if you were russian you'd probably be dead, you're just on their payroll. lucky you
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>>1276265 You are citing events from two decades ago and suggesting some sort of conspiracy theory suggesting that a decade prior to Ukraines dignity revolution, a Boogeyman was already plotting to overthrow Zelensky in the future
Your schizo ramblings are absolutely insane.
I'm genuinely curious, where do you get this stuff? Is it random posts you read on Twitter or discord or something?
Do you get it from r/JoeBiden?
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>>1276270 >facts is schizo rambling only on /news/
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>>1276265 While I do enjoy conspiracy theories, I found yours a little to incoherent and/or disjointed to understand.
Could you reword it and give me the tldr in such a way that a non schizophrenic can understand?
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>>1276272 is it too difficult for you to understand that trump employs people who do business with sanctioned russian oligarchs
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>>1276273 Well, since you are unable to explain your unhinged Democrat conspiracy theory, I'll just accept your concession, you sad little wacko
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>>1276276 not my fault you have selective illiteracy, gaslighter
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>>1276278 Tell me about your conspiracy theory, anon
I want to hear how you think manafort was paid by russia for the Ukraine invasion 2 decades before it happened.
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>>1276284 >gaslighting doesn't work Oh yeah you've said this about a thousand times as you flail around trying to gaslight
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>>1276306 Who is "you've"? Is it the strawman libshit who lives in your head?
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>>1276284 >Ctrl+f "Deripaska" Oh so this is completely unrelated to the previous conspiracy theory alleging manafort was paid by russia to invade Ukraine 2 decades before it happened.
Interesting...
It's like you people can't keep a coherent narrative
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>>1276309 Well since you are apparently playing ostrich who stuck his head in the ground for the past 10 years, you might be interested to know the Manafort incidents were part of a larger pattern of collusion between Trump admin officials and Russians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_investigation_origins_counter-narrative You can't spin this away. This is history and not up for debate.
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>>1276313 >hes still regurgitating approved DNC talking points about operation hurricane crossfie retard, what the literal fuck does any of this have to do with the russian invasion on ukraine?
Your nameplate on your desk must read "Comrade Whatabout"
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>>1276314 you faggots need to rework your shill campaign if you don't want to be outed immediately
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>>1276316 im actually voting for biden because trump will support israel.
But that doesnt make you any less of an insufferable faggot. You post unrelated shit for everything like you dont even know what your talking about
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>>1276316 Post another Wikipedia URL about manafort, Comrade Whatabout.
It's totally relevant to Zelenskys losing war in Ukraine
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>>1276319 You literally asked for it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections >In May 2018, the Senate Intelligence Committee released the interim findings of their bipartisan investigation, finding that Russia interfered in the 2016 election with the goal of helping Trump gain the presidency, stating: "Our staff concluded that the [intelligence community's] conclusions were accurate and on point. The Russian effort was extensive, sophisticated, and ordered by President Putin himself for the purpose of helping Donald Trump and hurting Hillary Clinton."[247] Anonymous
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>>1276314 >DNC talking points Do you know enough english to know what the word "Bipartisan" means?
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>>1276129 >Man in charge of failing/forgotten institution tells someone else to give up Well I guess the pope would know about people giving up on your ideas...
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>>1276320 Do it again Comrade Whatabout! Post more whatabout that's totally unrelated to this thread.
I know you have a huge list of approved talking points.
Post another one
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>>1276318 Biden is already supporting Israel. Democrats are calling him genocide joe for a reason.
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>>1276412 see, this is how you shill
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>>1276129 Zelensky is a man who has banned the centuries old orthodox church
As stalin said, "The pope! How many divisions has he got?"
Expect to hear similar sentiments once again
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>>1276412 Yeah but trump would support Israel more.
Zelensky the Mad will just have to continue being used by the US to sacrifice Ukrainians to kill Russians. I care more about Israel stopping their genocide in Gaza than I care about Russia stopping their snow aping in Ukraine