Former President Donald Trump lashed out at the judge who imposed a $450+ million penalty in his New York fraud case after his lawyers admitted he was unable to secure a bond to appeal the case.
Trump’s lawyers on Monday asked a New York appeals court to stay the enforcement of the judgment in his fraud case, saying it has been impossible to secure a bond necessary to appeal the judgment after approaching 30 different underwriters.
The former president lashed out at the judge on Truth Social after the filing.
“Engoron wants me to put up the ridiculous fine (I DID NOTHING WRONG!) before I get a chance to Appeal his crazed ruling - A first!” Trump falsely wrote. New York law requires a defendant to put up the full judgment amount with interest in order to appeal a civil judgment.
“Judge Engoron actually wants me to put up Hundreds of Millions of Dollars for the Right to Appeal his ridiculous decision. In other words, he is trying to take my Appellate Rights away,” Trump falsely claimed again in another post. “Nobody has ever heard of anything like this before. I would be forced to mortgage or sell Great Assets, perhaps at Fire Sale prices, and if and when I win the Appeal, they would be gone. Does that make sense? WITCH HUNT. ELECTION INTERFERENCE!”
Trump continued to lash out at the judge in a series of more than a half-dozen posts on Monday night and Tuesday morning, claiming that his Mar-a-Lago property is worth “50 to 100 times” more than what Judge Arthur Engoron valued it at — even though the valuation was based on estimates by local officials.
https://www.salon.com/2024/03/19/i-would-be-forced-to-mortgage-melts-down-on-truth-social-as-lawyers-admit-he-cant-get-bond/
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Trump further lashed out at Engoron as a “Crazed, Trump Hating, Rogue Judge.”
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>>1279305 >force him to pay an absurd amount of money before he can appeal an obviously fraudulent judgment This sounds pretty unconstitutional. The right to due process includes the right to appeal. But Democrats are anti-democracy so they will cheer this
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>>1279307 Just to make this simple let's say that the penalty is solely the amount of money that was "ill gotten gains".
It appears excessive because the crime was that large. Simple as.
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>>1279307 He can appeal without paying. He just can't stop the collection without paying.
It's fairly normal for punishments to not wait for appeals. How many people are sitting in prison with pending appeals? I would wager there are a lot.
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>>1279307 >Scam billions from people >Only get a slap on the wrist to pay a bit! MUM DUE PROCESS
Fuck off, also Trump has said multiple times he wants to do away with due process, so you're clutching at pearls.
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>>1279307 It is actually. Trump just gets treated better because he's a billionaire.
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>>1279310 >Trump has said >Trump has said >Trump has said This is why lefties are retarded.
What Trump says and what he does are two very different things. It's like him saying "I'm going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it". His words mean fuckall unless he actually does it.
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>>1279305 >Trump claims his Mar-a-Lago property is worth “50 to 100 times” more than what Judge Arthur Engoron valued it at He just doesn't get it does he?
Mar-a-Lago is valued at 18-50 million because Trump dodged paying tax by registering it as a business. The value is based off the yearly income for the business.
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>>1279313 If someone makes a threat, you take it seriously.
Look at Trump's failed coup attempt.
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>>1279316 >If someone makes a threat, you take it seriously. Democrats are unironically doing that, though. So what should be done about them?
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>>1279317 >Whatabout No.
Trump staged a coup, and you're clearly fine with that.
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>>1279317 Trump tried to overthrow the government and failed. He is the biggest threat to America. He will try again.
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>>1279317 >Democrats are unironically doing that, though Source?
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boo hoo spoiled rich brat forced to pay for one of his many crimes
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>>1279318 >democrats: threats are bad, that's why it's okay to treat him unfairly >also democrats: no you can't point this out, that's unfair Oh
Okay
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>>1279323 What makes you think he's being treated unfairly?
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>>1279324 These people legitimately believe not only that he has done no wrong but that he can do no wrong. We have on record multiple times trump saying he likes dictators and that he wants to be one. And that’s fine with them. Making him pay for ANY crime is seen as unfair to tgem
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>>1279324 He was denied due process.
Also, the allegedly defrauded party argued that he never defrauded them. That was a determination made by the judge.
Also, assuming he even successfully appeals, he won't be able to retrieve any assets he surrenders. The state will own them forever.
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The amount of people here willing to defend a convicted white collar criminal is shocking.
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>>1279327 The bank defends the billionaire by lying and saying he did nothing wrong when everything points to him having committed a crime. Please explain how the due process was skipped.
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>>1279329 Fraud is when someone deceives someone else, gains a benefit from that fraud, and injures that person.
If the bank said it wasn't fraud and they knew what they were doing, then it couldn't have been fraud.
The injured party in the civil fraud case wasn't the bank. It wasn't the government. It was literally nobody. Nobody said that Trump did anything wrong to them, nobody felt wronged, nobody felt like Trump stole anything from them. None of the banks felt like victims.
The banks charged the exact rate they wanted to. They've been kicked out of 109 countries because banks are really, really good at finding appropriate interest rates that are calculated, anticipated, and very very intentional. Especially when dealing with the highest net-worth clients they have.
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>>1279330 How about honest people doing business in NY? They aren't "nobody".
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>>1279331 Name them and how they were affected by the fraud.
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>>1279330 >Fraud is when someone deceives someone else, gains a benefit from that fraud, and injures that person. >If the bank said it wasn't fraud and they knew what they were doing, then it couldn't have been fraud So your defense is that a bank conspired to let a politician steal money from the government? That's more serious charge, not a lesser one.
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>>1279332 The legislature put that provision into place for a reason.
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>>1279341 The government wasn't a party to the loan, faggot.
Just KYS.
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>>1279314 >He just doesn't get it does he? tRump gets it...right in the ass, as this lying under evaluation came right back to bite him
>>1279326 >We have on record multiple times trump saying he likes dictators and that he wants to be one. what's that got to do with the price od tea in ChYhhhna?
>>1279328 >The amount of people here willing to defend a convicted white collar criminal is shocking. a president is no white collar criminal, shill.
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>>1279341 >steal money from the government Okay, so you have absolutely no idea what this case is about. Why does /news/ have the most low-info anons?
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>>1279326 >We have on record multiple times trump saying he likes dictators and that he wants to be one. Yeah, just like "bloodbath" and "very fine people". Totally convincing and persuasive.
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>>1279326 So all the more reason Trump needs to be prosecuted for his coup.
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>>1279313 Words matter because Trump engages in stochastic terrorism.
Everyone already forgot about the textbook example of this with the terrorist MAGA bomber who tried to assassinate prominent Trump opponents.
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>>1279363 People who attempt to take everything the wrong way intentionally believe this.
Actually no they don't, but they believe looking like a retarded ass is good for the Biden campaign.
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>>1279365 >Trump gets people to engage in acts of terrorism because of his rhetoric >WHATABOUT BIDEN This is why no one can take you seriously.
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>>1279370 How'd that summer of love treat ya, CHUB?
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>>1279372 >Whatabout... LUL
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>>1279330 yeah the whole thing is completely retarded witch hunt very clearly
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>>1279376 We were talking about people engaging in terrorism thanks to rhetoric.
There's been no bigger case of rhetoric than that which sparked the Floyd riots.
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>>1279356 if only there was a way to search the entire internet easily to see him praise kim and vlad and adolf.
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>>1279341 >So your defense is that a bank conspired to let a politician steal money from the government? >When you're communist and unironically believe the government owns everything and everyone This is the US, faggot. We don't want your kind here.
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>>1279981 Who indoctrinated you?
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I'm feeling sick, MAGA-bros...
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>>1279985 Being born free, I guess. My forefathers were a whole ocean away from the bitch-king to be ruled, and it's rubbed off.
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>>1279990 Can you give me an example of anyone ever securing a bond over 100 million dollars in US history?
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>>1279990 turns out its hard to get a bond when your real estate as collateral when the reason you need the bond is for lying about the value of your real estate.
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>liar shocked when no one believes them
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>>1279997 I cant even give you an example of someone in the US being charged for fraud, denied a trial by jury, and had every party involved in the trial state that it wasn't fraud, nobody was harmed, and it didn't affect any decisions or outcomes
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>>1279979 >If only there was a way for leftists to stop foaming at the mouth over false bullshit that never happened since they can't stop their daydreaming victimhood fantasy Ftfy. It goes without saying by now but you'll never be a woman
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>>1280007 Did you not see Trump's summary judgement in NYC?
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>>1279962 >We were talking about people engaging in terrorism thanks to rhetoric. So Republicans, then you go full whatabout.
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>>1279305 mortgage Mar A Lago for $600m. If he actually gets the mortgage for that then he would automatically win his appeal because it proves the property is worth that much.
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>>1280141 You think it's not already mortgaged to the gills along with all his other shit? Get real dude. Trump's whole "wealth" is hollow as fuck and in less than a week we're all gonna see it fold in on itself like a deck of cards like the world has never seen before. Sad, not many such cases.
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What a stain on the presidency and our nation's history Trump has been.
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Reminder that you can split a bond up between multiple parties, so he couldn't get anyone to cover even a fraction of his shit.
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>>1280162 Oh sure, all trump has to do is find 5000 people each willing to post a 100,000k bond totally reasonable. Maybe he should have just put up a craigslist ad or something
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>>1280173 he went to 30 different bond companies and they all said no you fucking moron.
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>>1280173 I mean, he's still scamming his supporters of millions and can now use the RNC as a personal piggy bank.
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>>1280185 (samefag)
and on top of that, he couldn't get one of those 30 to pony up even a single million dollars. that is incredibly fucking telling.
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>>1279327 how?? he was found liable. he has to pay. if he appeals, they have to hold the money in escrow while the appeals process plays out. it's obvious you've never had to sue anyone.
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>>1280196 NTA but I sue people every single day and no, you just file a negative net worth affidavit or ask the appeals court to waive the bond.
Trump not having half a billion in liquid capital is not surprising, him not being able to get a bond is not surprising either because they generally don't accept property as security.
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>>1280196 >how?? he was found liable. See
>>1279330 They found him liable for something he factually could not have done. It's basic lawfare.
It's also extremely dangerous because Trump supporters will eventually make an appeal to heaven.
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>>1280205 It is lawfare to prosecute a criminal for one of his many crimes. What a delicious cope
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>>1280212 It's a civil case, retard.
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>>1280213 What's the difference? They both have judges and attackers and defenders.
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>>1280213 >Prosecute: verb. to bring legal action against for redress or punishment of a crime or violation of law ESL?
Used in a sentence: Letitia James successfully prosecuted New York's claim against Donald Trump for one of his many violations of the law.
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>>1280215 Retard confirmed.
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>>1280215 Civil cases have a dramatically lower standard of proof.
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>>1280225 Right, it requires a "preponderance of evidence" rather than "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". Good thing in this case the evidence was clear that Trump had misrepresented the value of his properties to obtain favorable loan terms, so the difference wasn't a factor.
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>>1280173 He got one org to give him $91M for the other lawsuit. Seems like he could just do that 5 more times.
He went to fucking 30 different orgs for cash, including the one that gave him the $91 million. And they all told him to pound sand.
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>>1280334 ironically it is
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>Trump's lawyer immediately changed the subject when asked if Trump was begging the Russians and Saudis to pay his bond
