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Balanced diet

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 02:44:14 No.2283309 View View Reply Original Report

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How in the hell would you have a balanced diet as a single outdoorsman? The only way I can see it happening is if you have a village of people raising crops and livestock. Protein poisoning is one of the easiest traps to avoid, and I would have no clue how a single woodsman would be able to get enough fat in his diet. I know the obvious answer is provisions and having shit but I'm talking about someone wanting to 100% live off the land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 02:50:30 No.2283312 Report

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>>2283309
>and I would have no clue how a single woodsman would be able to get enough fat in his diet
eggs and fish. remember all bird eggs are edible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 03:05:27 No.2283317 Report

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>>2283309
If you're stuck eating small game, eat brains and liver and kidneys.

If you're eating deer, there's actually plenty of tallow on the average deer, even without scraping the hide, the reason why people find deer to be so lean is that the fat is extramuscular instead of intramuscular, so you lose it when you trim away the very durable connective tissue that most people don't like to eat. Venison tallow has kind of a persistent mouth feel that some people don't like (I've heard it called waxy, but I don't know that I agree), but it does taste fine. You can also eat the organs, but I wouldn't recommend eating the brain of a deer in the US these days.

Bear are fattier than hogs (cook them well, however), mountain lions are reasonably fatty and as delicious as pork (and should also be cooked thoroughly), beaver are swiming lard buckets (especially the tail), larger cervids like elk and moose are plenty fatty (but a challenge to eat before it all spoils unless you kill it at the onset of winter). Trout, whitefish (cisco), salmon, etc are all good and fatty.

You can get basically every vitamin you need by eating rare meat, except vitamin C, which you will need to eat some raw organs to get, if you want it from meat, or you can drink pine needle tea or gather berries.

Preserving what you can't eat before it spoils is the most challenging thing, once winter arrives, it's easy to live on the fat of the lamb, assuming you are were the game hasn't been run out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 03:06:28 No.2283318 Report

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>>2283317
>fat of the lamb
land...

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 03:07:19 No.2283319 Report

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>>2283317
>>2283312
So basically your only option is to massacre the entire local population of small woodland animals? How would that be sustainable for a person? I think you'd have to move periodically.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 03:12:15 No.2283323 Report

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>>2283319
Why do you think humans literally ate species of animals out of existence?

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 04:01:26 No.2283341 Report

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>>2283319
>How would that be sustainable for a person?
By being one person. Guess what happens when its more than on population. I guess if you wanted to be ethical about it you could catch, capture, train, breed, and then milk a deer and use her milk fat but short of that you are going to be eating fish/eggs for fat.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 06:40:23 No.2283405 Report

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>>2283309

Forage and grow your own food. Mushrooms are a super food, grow kits are cheap and easy to grow, and in addition to being delicious and nutritious, you can use mushrooms to break down wood chips, mulch, etc. to fertilize your other crops and generate heat inside your greenhouse in winter. Grow a nice balance of crops (the Three Sisters, for example; corn, beans, and squash. Plus spinach, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, tomatoes, cucumbers, amaranth, onions, garlic, bell peppers, etc. It's perfectly doable to have a subsistence garden providing the majority of your veggies and grains throughout the year, while foraging for seasonal fruits and nuts locally.).

Acorns are edible, if you know how, and useful for tanning leather.

Get a couple chickens and/or pheasants as egg layers.

Plenty of mountain men and pioneers survived on their own for years or even decades, dude. Anyone can do it so long as they're willing to put in the work and know what they're doing.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 06:43:06 No.2283407 Report

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>>2283317

Food preservation isn't even that difficult, honestly. Drying/smoking, pickling, canning will cover just about everything. Meat? Dry it into jerky, make sausage and pickle/can it, or make pemmican. Vegetables? Pickle and jar them. Fruit? Make preserves and jellies.

Also, the saying is "fat of the land".

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 06:48:59 No.2283411 Report

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>>2283309
What state are you in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 06:51:36 No.2283412 Report

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poach cows

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 06:57:41 No.2283414 Report

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>>2283309
Eat the brains, break and boil the bones to extract the marrow, scrape the hide and add that to the pot aswell.
Also many seeds and nuts are a good source of fat, figure out what grows in your area and learn how to process them, roast them or make flour/meal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 08:23:17 No.2283428 Report

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>>2283319
Okay so starve then lefty

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 09:42:17 No.2283463 Report

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>>2283317
>pine needle tea
i thought it has almost none vitamin c. or was that spruce beer

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 10:22:44 No.2283482 Report

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>>2283319
>uhhhhh, how do people actually survive in the wild without being yucky and totally problematic???

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 11:14:20 No.2283491 Report

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>>2283463
Vitamin C brakes down quickly at high temperature. Traditionally they boiled the fuck out of spruce needles while making spruce beer, which destroyed pretty much all the vitamins. It's easiest to just chew the raw needles really. Especially the young ones taste kinda nice on their own and you don't need that much.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 11:20:23 No.2283496 Report

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>>2283491
so the fact needle tea is just hot waater preserves it. ty anon

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 12:11:28 No.2283519 Report

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>>2283319
There is a reason you hear of "subsistance farming" much more than you hear of "subsistance hunting". Hunting peoples would have been obligate nomads because they'd be eating their way around their area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 12:13:06 No.2283522 Report

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>>2283317
>>2283414
>brains
Enjoy prion disease

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 12:46:19 No.2283529 Report

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>>2283405
one ravaging deer, or a pack of snails and you are done for the winter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 13:20:48 No.2283535 Report

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>>2283309
there is a reason when humans lived pre-development they always lived together in at least small family groups. you can’t do it as a single outdoorsman. it requires division of labor and safety net of others’ work so that the day a hunt goes poorly isn’t a death knell. all solo survival is a larp, especially in contemporary times when only a fraction of fauna remains

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 14:01:08 No.2283551 Report

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>>2283317
Brewing the needles into tea destroys the vitamin c. You need to eat them raw

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 15:39:52 No.2283596 Report

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>>2283551
I said brew, not boil. The water should be as hot as you can stand to put your finger in.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 16:13:22 No.2283616 Report

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The average human has plenty of lipids, eat human flesh anon, do it now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 16:23:14 No.2283624 Report

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>>2283319
When you are living in a cold climate and doing the work of collecting fuel and water and hunting, you'll eat 2-5 lbs of meat a day and around 25% of that by weight needs to be fat content. This is why large ruminants are the best thing for you to exploit. It takes a lot of rabbit brain and kidneys to meat your daily pound of fat requirement. Having a beast of burden (like a pulling dog) can help reduce your calorie needs, some, but will probably increase your daily meat needs if it's a carnivore. A horse is better, because the horse eats things you can't, but while a man and a dog can disappear into the crown land or national forest reasonably well, a man and a horse has a much higher profile.

What doesn't help is that all the best land is settled, so you're going to marginal territory at minimum.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 16:43:23 No.2283630 Report

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>>2283616
can confirm from experience, the forest are ripe with free meat and sinew. please let us know exactly which trails you will be using op.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 17:23:17 No.2283647 Report

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>>2283309
So many anons don't know about nuts.
Pecans are the king. 20 grams of fat per ounce of pecan.
Walnuts and chestnuts are also fatty af.
When I was starting my permaculture plot on our land, pecan trees were the anchor of the whole ecosystem.
They're fatty and nutritious and yummy as fuck.
Also, they bring in squirrels and rabbits and all sorts of small game.
Other than the paw paw trees, the pecan trees are my favorite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 17:38:37 No.2283666 Report

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>>2283412
>Ywn see the return of rustlin gangs with AR and NVG
Sad shit brothers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 17:40:03 No.2283667 Report

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>>2283529
>he dosent have a garden pitbull
Ngmi

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 19:42:34 No.2283756 Report

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>>2283309
Humans developed cravings for certain foods, namely sugar, fat and salt, because these vital things can be hard to come by in nature. Whereas despite vitamin C being absolutely necessary, you usually don't have cravings for it. Vitamin c and other micronutrients are much easier to come by in nature than in your grocery store. Rosehips have 30x more vitamin c than oranges, hopniss has 10x the iron as a potato, pawpaws have almost as much potassium as a banana and like 30x the other minerals. So as long as you know a few dozen plants you can easily keep your vitamin and minerals levels up.
So back to fat, sugar and salt. These things can be obtained in nature, but it's usually seasonal and or labor intensive. Salt can be boiled from sea water if you live there or you'd have to migrate or trade for it either from the coast or from inland salt sources. Sugar can be gotten from fruits but if you want pure sugar around my parts your best source is maple. So for a month in late winter you have to carry gallons of sap around and sit by a fire all day boiling it down. Labor intensive and precious stuff.
Fat isn't hard to find when it's in season. In the fall I catch raccoons that easily have at least a couple quarts of fat on them. Over the summer, groundhogs double their weight in fat to prepare for hibernation. So a 5 pound summer groundhog is a 10 pounder in October with 5 of those pounds being pure fat. Even fat fall squirrels can give you a solid quarter cup of fat. And if you hunt bears you can render down gallons. Fact is this is all seasonal, you gotta catch the animals when they're fattest and render down the fat for use throughout the year. That's what people have done forever, you would only get rabbit poisoning if you get lost with no supplies in the early spring and have to eat the leanest game and nothing else.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:25:20 No.2283903 Report

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>>2283529

>he doesn't know what a fence is
>he doesn't know to plant deer resistant/repellant plants on the outer perimeter
>he doesn't know how to deal with snails and slugs
>he doesn't know the chickens and pheasants help with the bugs and slugs
>he doesn't know anything

NGMI, bud. Would you like some advice on how to make a wilderness subsistence garden, or are you one of those posters who never does anything and just wants to criticize and demoralize the ones who do? Because I see a lot of that sour grapes envy shit on /out/, and it disgusts me.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jan 2022 23:34:50 No.2283910 Report

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>>2283647

On my land, I have pecan trees, black persimmons, a couple apple trees, and a lemon tree. The apple trees and pecans aren't producing yet, but the persimmons are wild and bring in a bumper crop each year that I turn into jam and preserve. Very tasty. The potatoes, onions, carrots, peppers, and squash are all doing quite well, the drought and cold spells have fucked with my tomatoes, cucumbers, beans, and corn; I basically harvested enough to seed for next year. My bee hives are coming along nicely, I have three now; not harvesting honey, they need it for the winter, but come late spring I should be able to start harvesting honeycomb. Freezer is full of wild pig and barbary sheep; no deer this year thanks to CWD, and the turkey didn't show up when I was looking to bag one for Thanksgiving/Christmas, but now they're everywhere. Setting up the hutches for some mohair rabbits I can raise for meat and fur, and working on a chicken coop; looking into acquiring pheasants as well. Rain capture system is consistently holding 2,000 gallons, even with the drought. Once winter is over and I start planting again, I'm gonna be growing more greens and herbs to make up a bigger portion of my diet, and I should be able to get by for a few months only buying things I can't make myself, like coffee and sugar.

I'm gonna make it, bros.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 00:16:38 No.2283935 Report

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>>2283529
>what is venison
>what is escargot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 01:12:27 No.2283958 Report

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>>2283312
You forgot nuts. I've been planting fruits and nuts in the woods around my house for years. Good for wildlife populations and a nice fallback plan incase the preppers were right. This spring when I redo my back pasture I plan to but in hybrid butternut, hybrid chestnut, apple, a good variety of pine as nurse trees and the rest in oak/hickory/walnut maybe some river birch on the outside just to shelter them. It's only a little over two acres, but it's going to hopefully be a good planting for food and wildlife that my grandkids will be abble to sell some timber.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 01:13:48 No.2283959 Report

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>>2283903
>Would you like some advice on how to make a wilderness subsistence garden
I'm not that faggot but please share, I'm interested

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 01:37:04 No.2283963 Report

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potatoes are easy to grow
supplement with foraged green edibles. lots of seaweed if you live on the shore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 01:37:12 No.2283964 Report

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>>2283522
So low on the risk pyramid it isn't worth mentioning. Now shut up and suck your bean curds and let the adults talk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 01:43:27 No.2283969 Report

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>>2283666
Not with that attitude Satan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 01:58:04 No.2283979 Report

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>>2283964
Really depends where you are and what you are eating to be honest. I wouldn't eat deer brains unless I was on deaths doorstep in my area, but if I was somewhere without CWD I would be eating deer brain far before starvation kicked in. I would eat brain from most other animals without concern.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:02:36 No.2283981 Report

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>>2283903
>>2283959
I second this anon's desire to know more

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:34:21 No.2283993 Report

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>>2283981
he don't have it

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 02:39:01 No.2283996 Report

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>ITT: Urbanite larpers who have never gone outside, let alone foraged or hunted for food before.
prove me wrong, faggots

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:00:28 No.2284002 Report

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>>2283959
>>2283981

I do believe we have a dedicated thread you can check out.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:02:19 No.2284004 Report

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>>2284002
yeah but they would actually have to read the catalog for once

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:17:17 No.2284011 Report

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>>2283910
I'm jealous anon. How'd you get started into that lifestyle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 03:19:36 No.2284012 Report

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>>2284002
>>2284004
Yes, but I specifically wanted to pick that specific anon's brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 04:38:45 No.2284037 Report

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>>2283529
You don't have a snail/slug problem, you have a chicken duck deficiency.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 04:50:05 No.2284043 Report

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>>2283910
God speed

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 04:58:32 No.2284046 Report

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>>2284011
>>2284012

Well, by all means.

Bought 60 acres in the country; most of it is a hill, meaning it's shitty for building on, meaning cheap land. Dirt road. Spent years improving the land, digging out a dry creekbed to expose a live spring and make a swimming pond, renting a Bobcat to fill in part of the pond and cover it in concrete to make a dam to retain the water and double as a bridge to drive across. Bought a couple portable buildings, one at a time, and had them delivered, then built a connection between them to turn them into one building. Insulation, interior walls, new doorways, windows, all done myself. Wood burning stove in each building for heat, propane stove for cooking; also have a pre-WW1 wood burning kitchen stove, but I still need to install the chimney and replace a couple missing parts before I can use it. Solar power and batteries from a cell phone repeater tower (they replace batteries every couple years whether they need it or not, I bought used batteries that were still good at the recycle value) power my lights, fridge, microwave, and tv. A separate solar system powers the air conditioner. I have a covered porch I built, with a screened in section, and am currently in the process of extending the deck from the cabin to the dam. The floor in the front half of the cabin is oak, which I recovered from a 100 year old church that was being demolished, sanded, stained, and sealed. Buried propane tank should last for years at my current rate of usage, rain capture system holds and filters 2,000 gallons of water. I don't have the pump for the pump house so I have running water in the cabin yet; the kitchen sink drains, but doesn't have a water supply, and the toilet flushes (septic tank in back) but has to be filled with a bucket; I go outside and open a valve on one of the two capture tanks to get water.

The cabin itself is the product of 15 years of hard work and budgeting. Pic is not my cabin.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 05:05:25 No.2284048 Report

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>>2284046

The garden is fenced off, 6 foot fence. Deer could technically jump it if they wanted to, but the motivation is enough for them. Garden is just over an acre, but I've planted much less than that because I got a late start this year. I already mentioned the current crops. Orchard is just shy of an acre and on the other side of the property. The apple and pecan trees will likely need a couple more years before they produce anything; the lemon tree is still less than waist high, but it gives me two or three HUGE lemons each year. Black persimmons grow all over the property, they're native (I have maypops too, but the deer ate them all before I got to them this year; they don't really taste like much anyway, kinda grassy). My three bee hives are located in the garden, I ordered all the shit online. GO SLOW, don't over use the smoke, and learn to back off when you agitate the bees. I don't know shit about beekeeping, I'm learning as I go, but they seem happy and productive. Add spearmint essential oil to their sugar water to keep it from molding, and lemongrass oil to the hive, it makes the bees more inclined to take root there and not leave. I have two more, unoccupied, hives that they'll hopefully expand into next year. Having bees lets me get an ag exemption on my taxes, as well as fertilizing my crops and giving me honey.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 05:10:52 No.2284051 Report

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>>2284048

I'm also building a rabbit hutch, the permanent location of which I haven't decided yet. I want mohair rabbits, which I can card for fur and make wool out of, as well as eating them when and as necessary. Chickens and pheasants are next, for eggs, meat, feathers, and cash. Pheasant eggs aren't terribly expensive, if you can hatch them, and people pay a lot of money for pheasants they can release onto their land and shoot. I won't be actually acquiring the rabbits and birds until the cabin is complete and I'm financially set enough that I can move there more or less permanently, but I'm going to have all the supplies laid in so I can do it. No cattle or goats or anything, don't have the open space for them or proper grazing land, and buying the feed would be too expensive.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 05:19:47 No.2284055 Report

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>>2284051

For hunting/trapping, I have deer, pigs, audad/barbary sheep, turkey, and squirrels. I used to have some porcupine bros who would come up and eat corn out of my hands, they were super chill and one had blue eyes. Some bastard trespassed on my land, dumped beer cans and cigarette butts everywhere, and shot all my porcupines; I haven't seen any in almost a decade. Used to have armadillos all the time, but yankees keep killing them because they're scared of leprosy and don't understand how it fucking works, so they're few and far between now. There's a female fox that lived under my porch before I moved the cabin and added the expansion; dunno where she lives now, but I still see her on my trail cams all the time, and she eats any leftovers I toss out for her. There's also an old tabbie cat somebody abandoned that took to living nearby; he won't let me near him, but he likes to sit at a distance and watch while I work. There's a pair of crows that moved into the valley; once they figured out hunters will leave guts and whatever else they don't want, the crows now tattle on the deer and pigs during hunting season. They'll start flying overhead, following the animals, and caw to alert you to their location. It's pretty fucking cool how they learned how to exploit that. Crows are bros. Only snakes I've ever seen are garter snakes.

All in all, 15 years of hard work, dedication, and most of my income. But it's paying off. Pic: me and an audad I took with my 100 year old Sauer and Sohn drilling (12-gauge over 8mm). He weighed 320lb AFTER I gutted him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 05:25:45 No.2284058 Report

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>>2283309
eating humans gives you all the nutrients you need. there is a reason cannibalism is rampant during rough times.

As recently as late 1800s-early 1900s you could find young human children's bodies in wet markets in China. Piles of arms, legs, organs, torsos, for sale to eat.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 05:29:43 No.2284061 Report

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>>2284055

I'll see if I can take some photos of the cabin this weekend, let you see some of what I've done. Still got a lotta electrical and plumbing work to do, and need to gut and rebuild the interior of the old half of the cabin; the ceiling is collapsing in the bedroom, making the top bunk unusable. It's gonna be completely remodeled when I'm done.

A Mormon family had their dr put them on dietary restrictions, so I got a shitload of 5 gallon buckets of freeze dried food off of them. Whole wheat, flour, salt, corn, potatoes, milk, cheese, carrots, beef, all kinds of shit. Roughly three years worth of food for myself, if I don't mind it being monotonous. That doesn't include the preserves (this year I got a small batch of persimmon jam and just finished making a batch of agarita jelly, both from my land), pickled vegetables, freeze dried meal-in-a-jars that I make, or any canned food, MRE's, etc. I have stocked. Between the food supply, the garden, and what I can hunt/forage, I'm pretty well set. Once I'm ready to move there full time, all I need cash for is stuff I can't make, like sugar, coffee, ammunition, etc. Eventually I'd like to get a reloading press and supplies, especially for the 8x58r Sauer that the drilling shoots since I can't exactly find that at Academy.

Lemme know if you guys have any questions about specifics, I'll see what I can tell you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 05:46:28 No.2284065 Report

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>>2283319
I think you have a poor understanding of how homesteaders, woodsmen and people who live semi removed or fully removed from society operate. Generally, because of the inability to go nomadic, people tend to build small gardens, remember, you can feed one person for a year off 1 acre of land (in vegetables, not counting meat), in addition, raising animals isnt exactly hard and one moose can sustain one person for two years, people in Nunavut do it for whole families.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 06:01:52 No.2284074 Report

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>>2283647
Don't forget acorns. There is so much free food laying around it's insane.
Not exactly "ready to eat", but there is no excuse to be lacking in the fat and carb dept if you live in a latitude that supports oak trees.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 06:15:41 No.2284079 Report

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>>2283647
>Walnuts and chestnuts are also fatty af.
Walnuts are, chestnuts not so much. Chestnuts are a wonderful source of carbs though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 07:34:13 No.2284100 Report

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>>2283309
depends on your area a bit I think
we don't have a lot of rabbit that I've ever seen but we have a lot of coon and those fuckers are fatty like a little bear
you'd be more likely to die of cholesterol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 08:52:43 No.2284115 Report

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>>2283309
You are assuming I would follow some ideal of "law" if it were about my own survival.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 08:54:30 No.2284116 Report

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>>2283522
156° or more sustained heat, Friendo.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 08:55:32 No.2284117 Report

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>>2283529
Both of those things are perfectly edible though.

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 09:00:25 No.2284118 Report

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>>2284116
Doesn't break down those proteins you dummy

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 09:13:18 No.2284126 Report

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>>2284116
Prions aren't alive like viruses or bacteria. IIRC it's just folding proteins. You can't kill it, I think I read somewhere that you can't even destroy it with 1000 degree celcius heat.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 09:20:33 No.2284127 Report

Quoted By: >>2284346 >>2284800

>>2283903
Hey, I resent that picture. We made a garden that could sustain hundreds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 09:46:40 No.2284134 Report

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>>2284058
>there is a reason cannibalism is rampant during rough times.
Can it be because it is tough times, and people kill people if it means they themselves survive for another day?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 09:49:37 No.2284135 Report

Quoted By:

>>2284055
Corvids are cool as hell. Not that anon, but thanks for writing this, it's interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Jan 2022 17:05:57 No.2284346 Report

Quoted By:

>>2284127

Thanks for reminding me of that hilarious clusterfuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 10:01:55 No.2284800 Report

Quoted By:

>>2284127
wtf

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 18:37:07 No.2285067 Report

Quoted By: >>2285211

>>2284061
Anon I am so beyond jealous. You're not just gonna make it, it sounds like you already have. Pictures would be super cool, I'm totally enamored by your situation.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 14 Jan 2022 21:30:07 No.2285211 Report

Quoted By: >>2285477

>>2285067

I'll see what I can do for pics and make sure they're sanitized. I'm not there yet... but I'm gonna make it. 15 years of blood, sweat, and tears; you guys have no idea how much work and effort it's taken. But I'm getting there. Those of you in your teens and 20's, start working on it now. Now is the time. Come up with your goal, figure out what you need to make it, and start working toward it. Keep track of your progress over the years. It's gonna seem daunting at first, once the expense and time and effort actually sink in, but then you're going to realize how much you can spread it all out and make tangible progress toward your goal, and it's starts looking hopeful. You can do it. We all can make it, bros. We just have to keep plugging away at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 07:18:13 No.2285477 Report

Quoted By: >>2285722

>>2285211
What career paths are good for this lifestyle? Do you work seasonally, or sell your surplus for money?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 17:53:52 No.2285722 Report

Quoted By: >>2289426

>>2285477

I work in construction. Lots of overtime, 10-12 hour days, working weekends, etc. I live in the suburbs, bought the house I grew up in off of my parents. I don't live in the cabin; not yet. Currently I just go up there on weekends when I'm not working so I can do maintenance and work on the cabin/improving the land, and hunting season I'm there every single weekend, spend the first week of hunting season living in the cabin. Longest I've 'lived' in the cabin so far is a month straight. I've got it set up as a survival retreat and can stay there for years with my current supply of food and water, have about a year's worth of fire wood stockpiled. Still have a long way to go before it's self-sustaining enough that I can say "fuck having a full-time job" and just move up there and live by the sweat of my labor. At that point, I'll only need income to pay taxes on the land and buy things like books, coffee, whiskey, and internet access.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 21:27:59 No.2285832 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283319
>I think you'd have to move periodically.
Do you even know what humans did for millions of years before we realized you could grow crops?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 22:14:57 No.2285849 Report

Quoted By:

>>2284116
Prions denature at much higher temperatures and lead to an excruciating death
There are no documented cases of cwd making the jump to humans, but I wouldn’t risk it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jan 2022 22:19:52 No.2285851 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283317
You can get vitamin c from pine buds and some pine bark. That's what the natives did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 18:44:23 No.2286534 Report

Quoted By: >>2286565

>>2284046
>>2284048
>>2284051
>>2284055
>>2284061
Thanks for sharing, sorry the faggot tranny jannies banned me but great ideas.
Still curious about how you manage crop rotation/soil building in a wooded area with competition from other plants, if you have anything else to speak on about that

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:24:30 No.2286565 Report

Quoted By: >>2286568

>>2286534

My three bee hives, in the garden area. The hives are sheltered from the wind by the garden shed that I park the tractor in.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:26:02 No.2286568 Report

Quoted By: >>2286569

>>2286565

All three hives seem nicely established. I won't be able to harvest honey until late spring or early summer, the bees need all the honey they produce to make it through winter, and I put out sugar water to supplement what they find in the wild, but all three hives seem to be doing nicely and should make it through winter.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:27:30 No.2286569 Report

Quoted By: >>2286572

>>2286568

You can see how they're starting to build honeycomb on this frame now. I know nothing about bee keeping, I'm learning as I go. Other than getting stung a couple times because I went too fast and pissed the bees off, it's gone quite nicely.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:28:47 No.2286572 Report

Quoted By: >>2286577

>>2286569

The garden area, by the bees. Most of the area hasn't been mowed or planted, because it's fucking winter. I've basically just got a trial/seed garden going right now.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:30:35 No.2286577 Report

Quoted By: >>2286582

>>2286572

Just basic shit, sunflowers, squash, etc. No serious attempt at farming until I'm up here for longer than one or two weekends a month. I'm basically just producing seed and fertilizing the soil via crop rotation to keep it ready for planting when I'm up here full time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:33:22 No.2286582 Report

Quoted By: >>2286584

>>2286577

I have a water cube on a trailer. If there wasn't a drought and the spring hadn't filled in with rocks and mud after the last rain we got, I could pump water from the creek into the cube, and then use that to water the garden. Currently, I just fill the cube from my rain capture system and then water the garden. Digging the spring back out and letting it fill the pond in again is a lot of fucking work, that I mostly have to do by hand.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:34:55 No.2286584 Report

Quoted By: >>2286588 >>2286627

>>2286582

Gate to the garden area. As stated, most of it is unmowed, much less planted. Deer could get into the garden area if sufficiently motivated, but why would they? There's plenty of food for them elsewhere, and the effort isn't worth the payoff for the lazy fuckers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:35:59 No.2286588 Report

Quoted By: >>2286592

>>2286584

Work in progress: the loft above the kitchen, where the power inverter, batteries, etc. for both solar systems are stored.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:37:46 No.2286592 Report

Quoted By: >>2286598

>>2286588

And now. Fully insulated, fully enclosed, just need to finish some of the ceiling and install permanent lighting. All the wiring is already in place, just need the light fixtures and receptacles installed and plugged into the electrical panel.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:39:49 No.2286598 Report

Quoted By: >>2286599 >>2286608 >>2286625

>>2286592

Work in progress. You can see the front wood burning stove, used to heat the front building, and the hallway into the back cabin. I did all the stone work myself, got the stone for free from a construction site I worked on that was just going to throw away all their excess material. You can salvage all kinds of shit from construction sites, and they don't even care.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:41:45 No.2286599 Report

Quoted By: >>2287540

>>2286598

Front door. Wall is new lumber I burned with a propane torch and then stained, floor is 100 year old wood salvaged from a church being demolished. Just need to finish electrical work, mainly lighting, in the front half of the cabin, and get the plumbing hooked up.

So there ya go, guys. Proof it's not a LARP, and proof that it can be done, if you work for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:54:11 No.2286608 Report

Quoted By:

>>2286598
>You can salvage all kinds of shit from construction sites
You aren't kidding. A friend of mine worked construction for a big company, and they always ordered too many windows in case of accidents and fuckups. One of his collegues needed to get his windows replaced at his own house, so once the big project was done, the whole team transported the excess windows to the house and replaced everything in a day or two for free. It would have cost €75K-€300K if you bought the windows and hired help to do it (depending on if you would want poles or competent people do the job).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:29:32 No.2286625 Report

Quoted By:

>>2286598
>I did all the stone work myself, got the stone for free from a construction site I worked on that was just going to throw away all their excess material.
NGL that looks fucking sweet, man. I can't imagine how many thousands of dollars/days of dealing with contractors you saved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:30:59 No.2286627 Report

Quoted By:

>>2286584
Lotta nice grass that will be good as potato fertilizer next year

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 23:00:05 No.2286709 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283319
Cry more bitch. You aren't a special animal, you evolved to eat other beings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 23:04:52 No.2286710 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283309
My plan for this when shit hits the fan is to enslave and cannibalize trespassers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 23:36:23 No.2286745 Report

Quoted By: >>2286748

>>2283529
>one ravaging deer
Just catch and fuck the first one and no others will come back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 23:37:44 No.2286748 Report

Quoted By: >>2286801

>>2286745
This is what I do with neighborhood kids that jump my fence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 00:56:48 No.2286801 Report

Quoted By:

>>2286748

Yeah, but then that little faggot Jimmy keeps coming back and wiggling his ass at your window in hopes of getting his fudge packed, so you have to throw him in the Russian olives behind your fence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 01:14:41 No.2286814 Report

Quoted By: >>2286866

>>2284048
This graphic is neat, but I wonder what it would take to be self-sufficient on a carnivore diet (all meat, eggs, and dairy) rather than one of primarily plants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jan 2022 03:00:02 No.2286866 Report

Quoted By:

>>2286814

You'd have to be a nomadic hunter-gatherer to do that. Or at least be an omnivore, like humans were intended to be.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 00:14:43 No.2287540 Report

Quoted By: >>2287541

>>2286599

I had a very productive weekend. Extended the front porch of the cabin and built a set of stairs down the driveway/dam. I'm going to put more railing up and a roof over the full length of the porch, but for now I'm pleased with the progress I made.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 00:15:51 No.2287541 Report

Quoted By: >>2287542

>>2287540

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 00:17:03 No.2287542 Report

Quoted By: >>2287543

>>2287541

I used old telephone poles I got for free as uprights. Again, you can find people just giving that shit away if you know where to look. Had to borrow a trailer to get them all up to my property.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 00:18:41 No.2287543 Report

Quoted By: >>2289496

>>2287542

I'm rather pleased with the results so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 00:37:15 No.2287550 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283309
>>2283319
When foraging (hunting included), you face two choices:
You eat everything edible, and then move on to next spot OR you eat most of what's edible and then move on to next spot.
So either you are nomadic, or very nomadic.
Anyone trying to sell you a story that sitting in a single spot indefinitely without running a very large garden/small farm is... well, selling you a story.

It's all LARP anyway. At times, it feels like I'm still on /tg/, but instead of the regular "elf slave, wat du", it's equally regular "logistics of a trek, wat du"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jan 2022 00:53:03 No.2287562 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283318
Imagine being this new

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Anonymous Fri 21 Jan 2022 00:53:45 No.2289426 Report

Quoted By: >>2289505 >>2289768 >>2294207 >>2294427

>>2285722
You are what everyone on this sub dreams to be, anon. Godspeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Jan 2022 02:38:17 No.2289492 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283319
That's why grocery stores exist. Purchase shelf stable fat that you are comfortable eating.
My views on running away from ho- I mean off grid living is to spend the one day a year working so I can purchase a entire years worth of staples like salt beans and rice, etc. Two days and you can buy shoes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Jan 2022 02:43:51 No.2289496 Report

Quoted By: >>2292505

>>2287543
You're living the dream, man, but I wouldn't be able to handle having the grain change on the deck, it'll catch your shovel every time you've gotta clear it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Jan 2022 03:03:55 No.2289505 Report

Quoted By: >>2289768 >>2289769

>>2289426
Did you just refer to this BOARD as a "sub?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Jan 2022 15:34:23 No.2289768 Report

Quoted By:

>>2289426
>>2289505
yes and he should hang himself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Jan 2022 15:35:11 No.2289769 Report

Quoted By: >>2289782

>>2289505
You sat down too fast and your dick went right up your ass, didn't it? Pull it out and wait for the pain to subside.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Jan 2022 16:17:08 No.2289782 Report

Quoted By:

>>2289769
Nice joke, you get that one from r*ddit too, newfag?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jan 2022 10:12:22 No.2290262 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283407
I call bullshit on that image. Poultry would quickly destroy that nice lawn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Jan 2022 17:59:23 No.2291664 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283405
Also what doesnt get mentioned much is that you can grow white-rot mushrooms (like oyster mushrooms) on logs that can then be fed to ruminant animals. So you get mushrooms and feed for cows/goats (since the mushies broke down a lot of the parts that cant normally be digested)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Jan 2022 02:34:36 No.2292505 Report

Quoted By:

>>2289496

You assume I live somewhere that gets snow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Jan 2022 03:06:24 No.2293606 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283309
you make a fish trap anywhere with water, sticks and bait like dead bugs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jan 2022 03:47:45 No.2294207 Report

Quoted By:

>>2289426
>board
>sub

Peak reddit moment. But I agree otherwise.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Jan 2022 17:39:37 No.2294427 Report

Quoted By:

>>2289426
>sub

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jan 2022 17:41:07 No.2294428 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283319
You are aware of how "predators" in an ecosystem work, yes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Jan 2022 17:50:47 No.2294432 Report

Quoted By:

>>2283319
There's a reason hunter-gatherers have extremely low population density and are nomadic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 Jan 2022 04:36:38 No.2295206 Report

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>>2283309
Gotta eat the organs, brain and marrow. That is how you get the most fat. They did some experiments related to the corprolites study at Antelope Cave, and found that doing this got almost double the calories, and the difference was mostly fat calories from marrow and the brain.

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