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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 16:51:17 No.4241930 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>4241935 >>4241964 >>4241997 >>4242114 >>4242200

Is this worth it for 500€?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 16:53:10 No.4241933 Report

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Sure, 500 euros is pocket change for a nigga like me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 16:54:26 No.4241935 Report

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>>4241930
If you only plan on ever buying and using a single lens, maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 16:57:37 No.4241938 Report

Quoted By: >>4241956

>24-400 f/7-f/12.6
the image quality must be so bad people would notice even on instagram and you'd never get the shutter speed high enough if a bird was just in the shade

foolturds are paying $1k per more specialized zoom for a reason

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 18:11:34 No.4241956 Report

Quoted By: >>4241959

>>4241938
>f/7-f/12.6
muh bokeh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 18:15:56 No.4241959 Report

Quoted By: >>4241996 >>4242095 >>4242108 >>4242226

>>4241956
IS IT THE
exponential difference in shutter speeds you get without raising the ISO between fucking f12.6 and more normal apertures like f4.5-5.6 (that's an f2.8 on foolturds, you cant have one, but you can have an f2.8-4 aka f5.6-8 instead), or the significant decrease in noise by opting for a less in focus tree branch in the background and therefore a clearer subject
OR IS IT THE
branch in the background being blurred so it's 2cm wide and kind of solid or 4cm wide and a little more translucent

PROBABLY THE BLURRY BRANCH YEAH!

>inb4 AI
i dont need a sharp photo i dont even need it to be in focus actually i dont even need a photo AI will generate it lol fool framers still buying cameras instead of dalle subscriptions -dxo/topaz copers

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 18:40:22 No.4241964 Report

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>>4241930
Mom I posted another MFT thread again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 20:05:36 No.4241996 Report

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>>4241959
>misunderstanding equivalence this bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 20:07:53 No.4241997 Report

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>>4241930
Go for the f4 pro version, used it's just a bit more and you get better iq, aperture, etc.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2023 21:38:51 No.4242024 Report

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Since we are talking about superzooms what do you guys think of the Tamron 18-300mm f/3.5-6.3?
I have it and feel conflicted on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 00:07:13 No.4242095 Report

Quoted By: >>4242114 >>4242117

>>4241959
Aperture equivalency is in DOF, not exposure. If you're going to dig on M43, dig on the part where M43 sensors crap out at over ISO 6400 while a mid-range FF shoots ISO 25600 without issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 00:38:14 No.4242108 Report

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>>4241959
You literally don't know what you're talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 00:50:51 No.4242114 Report

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>>4241930
For MFT, I'd try to stick in the f2.8-4 range for slowest aperture wide open, else you're restricted to good light outdoors.
>>4242095 is right that MFT has some limitations that need to be worked around. Try 35-100 or 40-150 f2.8. Price difference on a good used deal shouldn't be big

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 00:52:42 No.4242117 Report

Quoted By: >>4242119

>>4242095
It’s also exposure (ISO) because of the effect cropping has on shot noise. ISO 100 on meme four turds is ISO 400 on the correct format, assuming no one cheats ISO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 00:58:31 No.4242119 Report

Quoted By: >>4242183 >>4242190

>>4242117
>noise == shot noise
>MFT sensors are created by chopping up existing FF sensors

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 04:22:02 No.4242183 Report

Quoted By: >>4242206

>>4242119
I’ll cut you off here. You can’t gearfag your way out of equivalence including aperture and ISO.
https://photographylife.com/equivalence-also-includes-aperture-and-iso
Sensor tech differences throughout the past decade, unless you buy total crap, rarely change the look more than a half stop. It’s just how it is.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 04:46:49 No.4242190 Report

Quoted By: >>4242206

>>4242119
>MFT sensors are created by chopping up existing FF sensors

i wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, making unique designs and ordering multiple mask sets for each sensor size would be nonsensical when you could order a new mask set with some parts of the design cut off.

actually quite common in SoC design, i'd imagine this carries over to camera sensors given how much simpler they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 04:58:41 No.4242200 Report

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>>4241930

lol, no. get a faster zoom, a set of fast primes or just carry the 14-42 and 45-150 kit lens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 05:07:29 No.4242206 Report

Quoted By: >>4242210

>>4242183
I don't disagree about noise vs iso. Singling out shot noise is dumb. Not to even mention the consistency of iso. No one buys one format expecting it to be 1:1 equivalent to another format.

>>4242190
Based on the pixel density of consumer models, we know this is simply not applicable here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 05:09:18 No.4242210 Report

Quoted By: >>4242215

>>4242206
>Based on the pixel density of consumer models, we know this is simply not applicable here.

extra pixels can be disabled if they're defective as a way to salvage dies/sensors that would otherwise be junked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 05:13:48 No.4242215 Report

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>>4242210
Perhaps. I (baselessly) doubt so though. Trying to make a FF-sized sensor with M43 densities seems horribly inefficient considering the sheer size difference. Consider that the current models are 25MP non-stacked (~100MP FF) and 20MP stacked (~80MP FF).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2023 05:57:38 No.4242226 Report

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>>4241959
Id be so grateful I didn't have my name on this post.

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