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Why is Lightroom changing the tone of this image?

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 17:47:13 No.4247190 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>4247193 >>4247198 >>4247239 >>4247246 >>4249349

On the left we have the out of camera image of the Ricoh, on the right we have the same file, same size but it's been opened in light room. I had to open in Lightroom to remove a spot though.

Why has Lightroom dulled the fuck out of this photo despite no instruction from me to do so?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 17:50:12 No.4247191 Report

Quoted By: >>4247195 >>4247202

The GR is rendering a jpeg preview that is embedded in the DNG. So you’re seeing the processed JPEG, then the unprocessed RAW as soon as Lightroom builds its preview. You can apply a preset on import if you want it to be more punchy. Or just shoot JPEG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 17:50:39 No.4247193 Report

Quoted By: >>4247197

>>4247190
Because raws don’t have colors, only suggestions for the program turning them into jpegs

Adobe and nikon are corporate partners so lightroom fucks the colors of all other brands by default.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 17:52:16 No.4247195 Report

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>>4247191
The idea that a raw is a dull image is false and only believed by users of inferior software such as lightroom and darktable. Capture one, dxo, etc have no issues with the default starting point being a usable photo. A flat neutral profile is an option not the default. And no green tints on sony! That’s literally a nikon conspiracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 17:56:40 No.4247197 Report

Quoted By: >>4247239 >>4247250

>>4247193
I think you overestimate Nikon’s budget for partnership. Do you have a source on this? Why would they bother making their own raw processing software?

Anyway Lightroom’s processing engine is mid at best. They have some nice features around the edges but the fundaments are not great. Capture One is a really nice alternative especially if you don’t want to pay a subscription fee forever (just get a perpetual license and upgrade only when you upgrade bodies.)

huskylust

huskylust Sun 29 Oct 2023 17:57:29 No.4247198 Report

Quoted By: >>4247202

>>4247190
The Lightroom picture is better and made for printing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 18:03:24 No.4247202 Report

Quoted By: >>4247207 >>4247213

>>4247191
OK this makes perfect sense, my Canon use to do that as well. RAWS where much more dull and dark than JPEGS.

>>4247191
But also, I don't really get that, there both raw files and both 31 mb, am I really looking at a 31mb JPEG preview?

>>4247198
Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 18:09:02 No.4247207 Report

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>>4247202
No, the RAW is large, the jpeg is just a sidecar file. Read up on the DNG spec. >>4247202
Tonality. You ideally want to use a printer color profile that aligns with your chosen paper and edit to that, rather than SRGB.

huskylust

huskylust Sun 29 Oct 2023 18:15:36 No.4247213 Report

Quoted By: >>4247218

>>4247202
Adobe sRGB to CMYK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 18:29:42 No.4247218 Report

Quoted By: >>4247243

>>4247213
You really don’t need to convert to CMYK unless you’re doing litho offset printing, like for a newspaper, product packaging, catalog. Photo printers have good RGB profiles.

cANON !!5Dz+C7v45HK

cANON !!5Dz+C7v45HK Sun 29 Oct 2023 18:53:34 No.4247239 Report

Quoted By: >>4247244 >>4247316

>>4247190
It's the camera profiles. With Canons for example unless you use Canon Photo Professional RAWs don't make use of the in-camera color profiles, I assume for your Ricoh it's the same.
>>4247197
He's just mad because Sony and Fuji look even shittier than usual on any processor that isn't Capture One

cANON !!5Dz+C7v45HK

cANON !!5Dz+C7v45HK Sun 29 Oct 2023 18:55:12 No.4247243 Report

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>>4247218
Depends on the printer really, some will even fuck up if you feed them CMYK data (because they'll convert it to RGB and then back to CMYK), others require it. RTFM is the best approach.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 18:55:57 No.4247244 Report

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>>4247239
ProStandard profiles look so nice, good mix of contrast and color.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 19:01:07 No.4247246 Report

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>>4247190
JPEGs you get out of the camera (or the ones that serve as a RAW preview image) have been processed by the camera's engine. There are a lot of adjustments and baked-in magic that goes into it.
When you load a DNG into Lightroom you have an unprocessed RAW, using an Adobe color profile (Lightroom doesn't even have any Ricoh color profiles to select either). Adobe defaults tend to be on a neutral side, so things often look a bit flat.
RAWs are for people who are unhappy with what the camera JPEG engine does, and who want to take the time to create the look they're going for. I imagine most people tend to create their own presets for different cameras like I do so that you're not always starting from scratch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 19:08:08 No.4247250 Report

Quoted By: >>4247400

>>4247197
Capture One does look nice especially out of the box, but it feels like the library management is not as refined, and I'm much more used to Lightroom's tools. I haven't been able to talk myself into making the switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 20:25:23 No.4247316 Report

Quoted By: >>4247332

>>4247239
They look fine with everything that isn’t lightroom

Same for pentax, olympus, and panasonic. Lightroom is so bad with pentax it causes color shifts with the k1ii and k3iii. No purple shit with capture one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:02:08 No.4247329 Report

Quoted By: >>4247341

What's the best raw editor for Android?
I shoot in raw but I can never be bothered to edit on my PC.
Sometimes I edit them on my phone via Lightroom when I'm on a train, etc. Basic stuff. Wondering if there's a better alternative?

fe2fucker

fe2fucker Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:07:20 No.4247332 Report

Quoted By: >>4247340 >>4247342

>>4247316
>mk1 a7 looks fine in LT and CameraRaw
>mk2 looks like dookie
what gives?

actually dont answer that it'll just derail the thread further

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:21:45 No.4247340 Report

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>>4247332
Adobe is not a competent company.

A review in 6 words.

A review in 6 words. Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:28:53 No.4247341 Report

Quoted By: >>4247346

>>4247329
snapseed I use on my phone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:29:17 No.4247342 Report

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>>4247332
Adobe software is some of the least secure, stable, and well maintained shit on earth. It pairs well with microsoft junk.

cANON !!5Dz+C7v45HK

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cANON !!5Dz+C7v45HK Sun 29 Oct 2023 21:31:13 No.4247346 Report

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>>4247341
Formerly snapsuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Oct 2023 22:28:47 No.4247360 Report

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Now open your same image on your computer, your mobile phone and a friends mobile phone and notice how it looks different on each one lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 00:20:13 No.4247400 Report

Quoted By: >>4247404

>>4247250
just pirate it faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 00:31:17 No.4247404 Report

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>>4247400
not a question of money

OP here

OP here Mon 30 Oct 2023 02:59:11 No.4247482 Report

Quoted By: >>4247483

So I need photoshop or Lightroom to edit out the dust spots on my Ricoh both of them export an image that is the same size as the original raw, but duller in color and even the sharpness looks different as pictures in my original thread.

This is a pretty big problem, how am I meant to edit when Light room takes away the Ricoh magic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 03:00:51 No.4247483 Report

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>>4247482
>what is a raw
lmao, the absolute state of /p/

OP here

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OP here Mon 30 Oct 2023 03:23:33 No.4247491 Report

Quoted By: >>4247493 >>4249349

Which is to select for original colours?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 03:30:24 No.4247493 Report

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>>4247491

Srgb at all times unless you print stuff.

OP here

OP here Mon 30 Oct 2023 03:48:06 No.4247499 Report

Quoted By: >>4247507

I'm also trans btw if that matters

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Oct 2023 03:52:31 No.4247500 Report

Quoted By: >>4247508

Just shoot JPEG. If you don’t know why you’re shouting RAW, just stop, it’s not for you right now. There’s nothing wrong with liking the straight out of camera look. Make your life simpler and save hard drive space.

OP here

OP here Mon 30 Oct 2023 04:54:59 No.4247507 Report

Quoted By:

>>4247499
HAHAHAH you live here now and not the TRV board, I see.

OP here

OP here Mon 30 Oct 2023 04:56:00 No.4247508 Report

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>>4247500
I painstakingly go through all RAWS and if I conclude I won't edit I delete the RAWS, solid methodology?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 21:11:45 No.4249349 Report

Quoted By:

>>4247190
>>4247491

Lightroom defaults to adobe color profile. Set it up so it matches your shooting profile:

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/raw-defaults.html

You can match it manually also in Develop/Basic/Profile:

It won't be exactly the same no matter what you do. Raw processors camera profiles aren't perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Nov 2023 18:36:27 No.4249831 Report

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As a quick follow up, I am done with the Ricoh, it's fucking trash.

@iwx2672
1 hour ago (edited)
I have had this camera a month so let add a few things

-Dust on the lens every second time
-Didn't work on a mountain despite being a travel cam
-No weather sealed
-Hugely expensive and fragile
-No a point and shoot, the basic settings are fucking horrible and you always need to go through an intense process to take one shot but by the time you go through that process the shot is gone
-Firmware updates like Windows 98
-No good auto mode, P mode is trash
-Can't shoot clouds unless you underexpose then edit to right exposure

HATE this camera, willfully leaving it without a case and chucked in my bag atm as I have 0 respect for the camera. If ti did break it'd just be another special Ricoh thing. I wish I got the RXMK7

Time and labor intensive as well.

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