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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 21:33:42 No.4248204 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>4248211 >>4248214 >>4248220 >>4248312 >>4248869 >>4248951 >>4249176

So according to Ted Forbes, the Zf is basically a Z8 with a mechanical shutter and shittier ergonomics, which can be addressed with grip extensions.

In other words, there's literally zero legitimate reasons to get a Sony at this point in time

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 21:37:34 No.4248206 Report

Quoted By: >>4248209

>Zf is basically a Z8
Z7? There ain't no way this thing has a stacked sensor, if it does I'm buying one out immediately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 21:39:24 No.4248208 Report

Quoted By:

No, really Z8 is already in the realm of Nikon selling stacked sensors with huge discount as their sales scream "pull up! terrain!", but for $2K it is simply not even remotely imaginable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 21:40:30 No.4248209 Report

Quoted By: >>4248216

>>4248206
https://www.thecamerainsider.com/2023/07/31/nikon-zf-has-a-stacked-sensor/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 21:50:35 No.4248211 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248204
z8 tech, z6 sensor
evf is great, overall build quality is mixed, definitely needs the grip
lack of joystick is annoying, and button layout is meh
iso dial behavior is beyond retarded, and i have to imagine we'll see a firmware update for it
the subject detection in mf is honestly amazing, hope it finds its way into other cameras

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 21:57:55 No.4248214 Report

Quoted By: >>4248216 >>4248217 >>4248270 >>4248297 >>4249273

>>4248204
Z
Mount
Has
No
Lenses

Enjoy your plastic mount 40mm f2 and fuck ugly bokeh/rendering. Imagine your camera isn’t complete without an ETZ adapter with no weather sealing. Sony has weather sealing now, so ya’ll are fucked into using your 24-70 f4 forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 22:06:21 No.4248216 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248214
Unlike Z DX, full frame lenses for Z mount are all over the place, and adapting Sony E and Canon EF is also somewhat reliable.
>>4248209
This is a prerelease rumor, camera is out, how many raws does it push out with e-shutter?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 22:06:24 No.4248217 Report

Quoted By: >>4248219 >>4248221

>>4248214

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 22:10:57 No.4248219 Report

Quoted By: >>4248288

>>4248217
>my giant f0.02!
Kek who cares. The only walkabout weather sealed prime this fashion camera has, besides an UWA pancake, is an all plastic chink lens with the weather sealing of a low end snoy lens. I use an a7c and the 24+50 mini G primes in rainstorms. Nikon can’t do this until they revamp the 40 with a metal mount and mount gasket or release smaller 50s and 35s. Even canon has a complete range of well built primes now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 22:12:57 No.4248220 Report

Quoted By: >>4248222

>>4248204
>4k60 with crop
>25ms of rolling shutter
>microsd UHS I + SD UHS II
>shitty ergonomics
>30fps jpeg (lol)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 22:14:42 No.4248221 Report

Quoted By: >>4248225 >>4248243

>>4248217
Ah the perfect lens for a retro camera. A hyper modern overcorrected bokeh freak prime.

Fuji got this right. Sony got this right. Canon has been perfectly consistent since the 80s. Nikon is a mess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 22:16:54 No.4248222 Report

Quoted By: >>4248229 >>4248233 >>4248300

>>4248220
people who care about 4k60 boggle my mind. that’s literally only useful for slow motion video. everything is displayed at 24p or 30p.
also 4k is 8mp so as long as the crop is oversampled that’s great

have you considered buying an actual video camera? you must be aware that doing video like some arri red pocket shit, a full frame sensor, and actual resolution all in one body is a $5000+ proposition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 22:21:18 No.4248224 Report

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This is sketchy, they do have 30 fps mode. But, it's jpeg only. I can't find any mention of readout speed or even more evident silent shutter flash sync speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 22:22:36 No.4248225 Report

Quoted By: >>4248228 >>4248298 >>4249275

>>4248221
>perfect lens for a retro camera
Making those is Voigtlander's job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 23:01:02 No.4248228 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248225
>nikon cant make their own lenses
here’s to the next nikkor tamron z!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 23:14:29 No.4248229 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248222
>people who care about 4k60 boggle my mind. that’s literally only useful for slow motion video
They use it for slowmo. It's not that hard to figure out if you put your mind to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 23:34:24 No.4248233 Report

Quoted By: >>4248237

>>4248222
What do you mean by "Everything is displayed in 24p or 30p"?

Doesn't it depend on the device you're watching your video on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 23:51:39 No.4248237 Report

Quoted By: >>4248271 >>4248956

>>4248233
Almost all video delivery is 24, 25, or 30 fps. Some videogame YouTube channels are at 60 because the games are running at 60, and you'll see some dirtbike riders upload their shit at 60, but for the most part everyone is watching between 24fps and 30fps. If you're shooting faster than that it's to give you the option to slow it down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Oct 2023 23:57:40 No.4248243 Report

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>>4248221
I think Nikon F mount was right and even more consistent than Canon FD/EF until mirrorless. They're catching up again after fumbling around with long wildlife boomer-zooms... it really depends if they can make a fucking small prime set. metal. WAKE UP NIKON & COME OUT OF RETIREMENT, U BITCH.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 02:20:15 No.4248270 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248214
You're trippin. Aside from every vintage lens ever made, the native Z lenses are baller, the native Voigtlander lenses are great (50 APO out-resolves even the 50 S's), and you can even use Sony E-mount lenses with autofocus –Canon EF too, though I don't see much point in that given how superior mirrorless designs have been.

Anyway, excited to shoot the Sony 50 1.2 GM on my Z9 lol.

Oh and I don't get badmouthing the 40, it's also a lovely lens with great micro-contrast and more vintage rendering due to the lack of aspheric elements. Silent internal focusing too which is nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 02:23:21 No.4248271 Report

Quoted By: >>4248956

>>4248237
Correct. 24p for cinema, 25p for EU / international tv and some cinema, 30p for online web content. 50/60fps exist to 2x slow-mo, largely. Watching video in that high a frame rate gives things the soap opera effect.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 02:38:40 No.4248278 Report

Quoted By: >>4248284 >>4248990 >>4249176

i own 10 z lenses and i am unsure where the "z mount has no lenses" comes from. Just picked this one up so I can carry it in a chest bag, and might use it for travel rather than bringing my 35mm, 85 and my 70-200.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 03:34:36 No.4248284 Report

Quoted By: >>4248290

>>4248278
How do you like it? It's tempting me but I can't justify it when I already have the 40 and a bunch of M lenses. Heard it's noisy focusing, as bad as the old 50 1.8 AF-D?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 03:55:50 No.4248288 Report

Quoted By: >>4248298

>>4248219
Voigtlander lenses

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 04:09:22 No.4248290 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248284
it has a short focus throw, about a 1/4 inch with the Fly by wire focus, it seems to focus pretty snappy.

The 26mm might kinda suck for me personally, I am a bokeh whore and I do want to use this for portraits. I did take some pictures of a cute friend I had last week on my 24-70 f/2.8s and I KINDA like the wide angle, but I think it's something for me to get use to. I think I'll be happy to finally have a "carry around" digital camera, because I'm absolutely obsessed with a chest bag and carrying a camera with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 04:38:18 No.4248297 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248214
>Sony has weather sealing now
lol
lmfao

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 04:39:40 No.4248298 Report

Quoted By: >>4248330 >>4248352

>>4248288
>>4248225
oddly enough, i've shot voigtlander longer than any other brand at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 04:42:40 No.4248300 Report

Quoted By: >>4248305

>>4248222
- many videos are now 4k60
- even at 24p you don't want your slow mo segment to be soft or noisy compared to regular footage
- cropped (or line skipped) 4k60 is not oversampled
- "buy a real video camera" is a cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 05:21:28 No.4248305 Report

Quoted By: >>4248311 >>4248742

>>4248300
- no videos worth watching are 4k60
- it's not noticeable
- cropped 4k can be oversampled or not as long as the mp / cf^2 is greater than 8, check the specific camera
- no, it's not, if this is for real pro work nobody gives a fuck about your codec until you also have audio down and a way to synchronize multiple cameras (often requiring a recorder rendering all "but internally!" arguments moot). its a lot simpler to do so with a camera designed for it, not a generic MWAC box. if it's not pro work i really dont care, its a hobby do whatever you want but think your opinion matters

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 05:25:51 No.4248306 Report

Quoted By:

you want to shoot 4k so you can crop, it's a good tool if you make youtube videos and your trying to hold people's attention span and you don't have multiple cameras for broll.

could care less for this argument desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 06:03:54 No.4248311 Report

Quoted By: >>4248742

>>4248305
>I want a camera that does x
>This camera doesn't do x
It's really that simple.
I'm not explaining my particular use case to internet rando #46384 why I can make do without that feature. I'll just buy the camera with that feature

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 06:12:34 No.4248312 Report

Quoted By: >>4248317

>>4248204
who the fuck buys snoy for looks??? they'll just get a fuj if they want a rectangular larper box

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 06:32:47 No.4248317 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248312
I think the sony cameras look alright. The a7c series, especially the two tone ones looks very nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 07:51:00 No.4248330 Report

Quoted By: >>4248731

>>4248298
fucking nice set up. nikon Zf has been a game changer

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Nov 2023 09:54:40 No.4248352 Report

Quoted By: >>4248731 >>4248942

>>4248298
What's the performance of those m-lenses like on the Z-mount?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2023 07:07:46 No.4248731 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248330
the subject detection in mf feels just as magic as when i first tried eye af
first time back with nikon in quite a few years, can't say i like the menu organization
missing the joystick less, and iso dial behavior is still retarded
>>4248352
so far so good
75 f1.5 nokton, 35 f1.2 nokton III, 50 f2 apo, 50 f1.5 nokton II all are great
28 f2 II great at f2.8 and beyond, certainly usable at f2
was gonna sell my 35 f1.5 nokton, but it's a perfect little companion for the zf
haven't tried 35 f2.5 PII, but it's never adapted well, i'd assume decent field curvature

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2023 07:53:02 No.4248742 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248305
Holy fucking cope, this anon >>4248311 has the right response. Nobody needs to justify feature x to you. You don't need it? Great for you. Other people do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2023 14:33:36 No.4248869 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248204
Mech shutter good. Ergonomics over rated. Aesthetic and having a beautiful tool are good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2023 18:13:44 No.4248942 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248352
Wide angle lenses tend to have some color shifts at the edges due to the thicker sensor filter stack and field curvature etc. my Ricoh GR ltm lens shows it badly, doesn’t on an M10. The 15mm voigtlander Gen 1 does on everything, but I think they’ve improved that lens. Anyway, for nicely corrected ultrawides, Nikon has the best options anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2023 19:05:59 No.4248951 Report

Quoted By: >>4248954

>>4248204
Why wooden elements?
Are you gay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2023 19:27:26 No.4248954 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248951
You are gay.

Who says I am gay?

You are gay, why are you gay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2023 19:51:23 No.4248956 Report

Quoted By: >>4248992 >>4249009 >>4249023 >>4249058

>>4248237
>>4248271
you are both talking out of your ass.
On the TV side of things, TV's always broadcasted at 50/60 FPS everywhere in the world due to standards, FPS here can mean either Frames Per Second or Fields Per Second.
Most channels are either SDTV or 1080i, which use interlaced video instead of progressive, this means half the vertical resolution compared to progressive video. The temporal resolution (motion, refresh rate) is still at full speed. 720p is always progressive, and 4K can be interlaced but never seen it myself.
TV programs that are not broadcasted live are however produced at half the frame rate. Live TV is always at full frame rate (like sports and news).
If you go on YouTube you will find lots of videos at 30fps or 60fps even for the same type of content.
And no, videos shot or made at high frame rates don't give the soap opera effect. Motion interpolation gives the soap opera effect, it's shit and completely different.
educate yourselves with this post

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2023 23:27:57 No.4248990 Report

Quoted By: >>4248996 >>4249077

>>4248278
What's your favorite z lens? I only have the S 50mm 1.8 and a FTZ adapter at the moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2023 23:48:33 No.4248992 Report

Quoted By: >>4248994 >>4249023 >>4249050

>>4248956
So what you’re saying is 60fps is consumer garbage. Goyslop. Undesirable, something that would only be acceptable to the kind of brainless, chinless, beer gut shopsweep that is also okay with watching two minutes of commercials for every one minute of actual programming.

Who the hell says “i want the cable tv look”, really? Or “i want the call of duty livestream look”?

Video that matters is 24p.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 00:16:27 No.4248994 Report

Quoted By: >>4248995

>>4248992
Here's the title of your masterpiece:
Delusions of Grandeur: The Post

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 00:24:22 No.4248995 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248994
>broooo the framerate of shamwow infomercials that’s exactly the look i NEED

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 00:24:59 No.4248996 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248990
Not that anon but my favorite so far is the 24-70 2.8 S. The 70-200 isn't far behind, they're my bread and butter lenses. Everything else is situational or for an effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 02:24:09 No.4249009 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248956
Motion interpolation really does fuck everything up. But I find 60 fps weird looking. Even when you're shooting something on a phone 60 fps looks weird, and 30 fps looks normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 04:02:00 No.4249023 Report

Quoted By: >>4249050

>>4248992
You fucking mong. Do you see those high frame rate cameras and think they're shooting content for people with 5000fps TVs? Even Arri film cameras had high frame rate options for slo-mo.
>>4248956
I see the "soaps were at 60fps" claim repeated everywhere but I've only ever seen 30fps footage. I think people are mistaking interlacing for actual frames.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 05:28:51 No.4249050 Report

Quoted By:

>>4249023
>I see the "soaps were at 60fps" claim repeated everywhere but I've only ever seen 30fps footage.
I don't think I've seen a soap opera at 60/50 frames per second on the TV either. But I've seen lots of those victims of frame blending, which ironically causes the same effect as motion interpolation.
>>4248992
You've neither ever watched the shit you've recorded, nor ever done any kind of work in anything video-related. Not film, video

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 05:49:14 No.4249058 Report

Quoted By: >>4249060 >>4249214

>>4248956
>Motion interpolation gives the soap opera effect,
As far as I understand, the reason they call motion interpolation "soap opera effect" is because it makes it look less cinematic, and more like a soap opera.
Do you have a clip of live TV being 60fps? Every TV clip I've seen on YouTube has been interpolated to 60fps or it's a 30fps clip uploaded at 60fps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 06:03:30 No.4249060 Report

Quoted By: >>4249061 >>4249378

>>4249058
I've never been to the US, but the NTSC standard is 30fps (29.9) made of two interlaced fields where the even numbered rows were projected on one pass and the odd numbers were projected in the next pass at.
Everyone on YouTube and Reddit calls this 60 frames per second but I've never seen a clip to back that up, or anything in the standard that would allow it, or a camera from the time that could shoot it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 06:07:24 No.4249061 Report

Quoted By: >>4249063

>>4249060
You're doubting the existence of interlaced? Plenty of Handycam and shoulder mount cameras shot 1080i, they typically even shot onto miniDV tapes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 06:09:59 No.4249063 Report

Quoted By:

>>4249061
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 07:05:32 No.4249077 Report

Quoted By: >>4249086

>>4248990
35mm f/1.8s but will replace it with the 35mm f/1.2s when it comes out, i am a pretty big whore for the 35mm perspective. I also like the 50mm f/1.2s fantastic image quality, but not a big fan of the perspective.
I'm thinking of overhauling my lenses, for example I never use my 20mm f/1.8 ever, and I never use my 85mm f/1.8 as i find myself using my sigma 135mm.

My 70-200 gets use on travel, and with the 2x converter its always a good opportunity to get pictures of wildlife.

I use my 24-70 for events.

Lenses I'm thinking about are the 14-24mm and selling my 20mm, and my 85mm and my 35mm to fund the 35mm f/1.2 I might keep the 20mm though because I have used it for astro/landscape before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 08:50:04 No.4249086 Report

Quoted By:

>>4249077
Why not the CV 35 APO?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 15:06:35 No.4249176 Report

Quoted By: >>4249206

>>4248278
I just don't feel like shelling out like $3600 to buy lenses I already have just to have autofocus
you can buy D lenses for like $95 dollars
>>4248204
I don't understand the market segment here
is it literally just
>camera body but look fancy
the Z lenses will look like dogshit on it anyway, why not just get an OM-D EM camera, they're cheap as fuck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 16:45:08 No.4249206 Report

Quoted By:

>>4249176
The image quality is marginally better when you get native lenses for that system.

I could be talking out of my ass but im pretty sure z lenses have more elements in them. Anything with an S on it has 0 compromises

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 17:09:34 No.4249214 Report

Quoted By: >>4249245

>>4249058
>Do you have a clip of live TV being 60fps?
https://youtu.be/epKrA8KjYvg?t=97
and if you wanna compare it to the same exact content but at 30FPS, https://youtu.be/RgnkY4xzaZE?t=174
the uploader/recorder of the second video used an improper half-rate deinterlacer, hence half the framerate
the timestamps are only for comparison purposes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 17:39:02 No.4249245 Report

Quoted By: >>4249520

>>4249214
Maybe it's because I'm on my phone but they're both 30

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 18:26:55 No.4249273 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248214
This is why I ditched it. All the lenses are dither humongous or plastic shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Nov 2023 18:29:34 No.4249275 Report

Quoted By:

>>4248225
No reason to buy the overpriced z mount voigts. Plenty of ltms and leica m lenses that are smaller.
Can use them on any body.

fe2fucker

fe2fucker Fri 03 Nov 2023 22:25:53 No.4249378 Report

Quoted By: >>4249381

>>4249060
Its because it's perceived as 60 due to how every 1/30'th of a second there has been 60 changes to the image.

Its not 60, but it looks smoother than 30 progressive frames. Now throw some misinformation and misunderstanding into the mix and et voilà you have people calling it 60 fps.

fe2fucker

fe2fucker Fri 03 Nov 2023 22:28:43 No.4249381 Report

Quoted By: >>4249543

>>4249378
Im sorry i fucked that up BIG time, i meant how every full second there has been 60 changes, as each frame of the total 30 per second is applied in 2 stages.

Basically interlaced sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Nov 2023 01:16:39 No.4249520 Report

Quoted By:

>>4249245
phone issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Nov 2023 01:53:11 No.4249543 Report

Quoted By: >>4249604

>>4249381
Interlaced was an easy way to improve IQ on analog TVs without dramatically increasing bandwidth. It has no purpose on digital systems. Because it defeats compression algorithms it doesn't even save on file size or bit rate.

fe2fucker

fe2fucker Sat 04 Nov 2023 03:20:14 No.4249604 Report

Quoted By:

>>4249543
Yes correct

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