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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 21:21:10 No.15869850 View View Reply Original Report

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In your smartest, smarkiest, smuggest opinion. Styles or Omega? I am undecided
They're my 2 goats

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 21:27:05 No.15869885 Report

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until i did a tna ppv rewatch i would have said omega. but watching aj get better and better and still not even be at his "best", gotta give it to big bibles

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 21:27:43 No.15869893 Report

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kenneth

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 21:27:56 No.15869895 Report

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>>15869850
AJ and it’s not even close

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 21:29:13 No.15869903 Report

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AJ doesn't need spots to make you believe

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 21:31:14 No.15869913 Report

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>>15869850
I like Kenny but yeah AJ is too far ahead. He was more grounded and flexible. More convincing at selling.
AJ's prime was in 2015 desu.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 21:36:42 No.15869943 Report

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>>15869913
>AJ's prime was in 2015 desu.
Yeah I knew this was come up and that was when he matured into a really great wrestler similar to Tanashi but I liked the rawness of 2004-2006 AJ he was doing things noone else was doing at the time similar to what Ospreay is doing now
Kenny kinda peaked in 2017/18 but had THEE peak of all peaks

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 21:56:22 No.15870051 Report

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>>15869850
Styles can sell, talk, and play a character. And he's loyal to the business as a whole, not just a group of friends or a specific company. Namely PWG and their desperation to be the modern Kliq.

It's basically this generation's RVD vs. Jerry Lynn debate. AJ and RVD branched out and became household names, Kenny and Lynn are satisfied being stars within a small bubble.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:00:37 No.15870085 Report

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>>15869943
AJ really was a top level wrestler by that time, and it's a testament to his talent that he found a way to get even better. As far as ''flippy guys'' go, his greatest feat was making the impressive moves seem as if it was the only way for him to get a win as opposed to just doing a flip because he could, something which Ospreay has been sorely lacking in his AEW run and has regressed him to Ricochet's tier of wrestlers as opposed to a true genius. AJ wasn't doing tribute spots either. He married the kayfabe and the shoot which is very difficult to do for that style of wrestling.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:04:00 No.15870104 Report

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>>15869850
I got around to meeting AJ in 2004. He trained our wrestling class and he picked me up to do a international sequence (basically lock up, hip toss, etc). I was only 14. He taught me a lot that day without saying much. Still to this day the best wrestler I had ever worked spots with and that was just fucking around in front of a bunch of students. I'd love to see what Kenny could've taught me.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:05:08 No.15870109 Report

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>>15870051
I like how smarky and smuggy this opinion is. Good job anon. I agree with some of it.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:08:04 No.15870128 Report

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>>15869850
Kenny in 2016-19 was better than 2014-16 AJ by a cunt hair and both are vastly better than anyone if we're speaking since purely in-ring.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:11:25 No.15870143 Report

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>>15869850
it's weird because before the Okada match Kenny was relatively bubbling under and then 2017 hit and he had one of the craziest years ive ever seen and performed out of skin (and which was a complete detriment to his health which he still recovering from) and decided he would become the best wrestler in the world. Amazing to think he did all of that while falling apart physically.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:13:02 No.15870152 Report

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>>15870085
Good post bro. I still think Ospreay is coasting right now despite all the plaudits he's getting. He has a style and a formula which hasn't gotten old, yet. He has a lot of learning to do before developing into a Tanahashi or an AJ Styles.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:15:13 No.15870165 Report

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>>15869850
AJ is massively overrated, what has this nigga ever done that comes close to Kennys best work

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:18:23 No.15870187 Report

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>>15870152
No one has cried for Ospreay winning anything.
Zack Sabre is a better wrestler than Will Ospreay.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:18:57 No.15870192 Report

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>>15869850
Styles is an immensely better wrestler even now than Kenny ever was in his prime getting sucked off by Meltzer or his Tokyo Dome Bangerinos. He's also, for the last decade, been a far better promo than Kenny ever has as Kenny is an awful talker who autistically talks like a video game character.

The only person on AJ's level in terms of 2000s indy GOATs is Danielson. Maybe Punk as well but IMO he was never as good in the ring as AJ or Bryan. It's AJ/Bryan, then Punk, then Joe is several rungs below that, then every other big name indy guy from that era.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:19:31 No.15870198 Report

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>>15869850
Finally a thread to discuss wrestling

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:20:19 No.15870202 Report

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Both suck because they embraced the good at everything style of wrestling that plagues the entire industry.
Even if you can forgive that Kenny ruins all his matches with stupid and fake facial expressions. And AJ showed in TNA he's actually a great underdog but chooses to waste his career on being another white guy wishing he was Jushin Liger.
So I guess AJ is better cause he's had 2 actually good matches where he played and underdog babyface, one against Bully Rey and the other one I think was a handicap match against Kazarian and Daniels.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:21:21 No.15870211 Report

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>>15870187
PAC, on his good days, is several tiers above Ospreay as well. His problem is he just doesn't give a shit sometimes and ends up being sloppy

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:22:08 No.15870216 Report

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>>15870104
Kenny would have taught you to cosplay videogames.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:28:47 No.15870253 Report

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>>15869850
AJ could be in an iron lung and he'd still be better than Kenny in his prime.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:33:25 No.15870271 Report

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>>15870165
What's Kenny's best work?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:35:49 No.15870279 Report

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>>15870271
those cena matches weren't that great. i prefer the aj/roman stuff a lot more.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:38:12 No.15870291 Report

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>>15870271
>muh false finishes
lol e drones are funny

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:41:22 No.15870299 Report

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>>15870279
the 2017 royal rumble was an awesome match and Cena fucking rocked that shit. I'm in the minority of the smark faggot community but I never booed Cena, even in 2006. In 2006 he became a solid worker. In 2017 he was elite. Kenny would tell you the same. So would AJ

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:42:01 No.15870305 Report

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>>15869850
Kenny had one of the greatest peaks ever, but I think it's getting lost to time that the 2 top guys were having crazy peaks too, and Tanahashi was still incredible. I also don't know if he's ever cut a good promo, aside from the G1 win, and I guess the Ospreay press conference.

AJ was great in TNA, got better in NJPW, and got better in WWE. Getting trusted to work with the top guy and the next top guy in NJPW and WWE says a lot.

Styles overall, but peak Omega may be the highest peak.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:45:20 No.15870320 Report

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>>15870143
It was objectively the wrong choice. In a 3 year span from 2017 to 2020 he shortened his career by at least twice as much by doing the craziest spots and taking countless neck and head bumps, he was incredibly good and so entertaining to watch, but it wasn't worth it, when you consider that AJ was doing the same thing he always did, and even slowing down and still being leagues better than him.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:49:38 No.15870340 Report

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>>15869850
Kenny is the best but if there's one person I don't mind people thinking is the best it's AJ. It is a bummer that he hasn't had a classic wrestlemania match though. Kenny has him beat on performing best in big matches.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 22:52:51 No.15870358 Report

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>>15869850
Not really a fan of either, and they're nowhere near my GOAT list. But if I had to pick, it would probably be prime Kenny.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:03:40 No.15870394 Report

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>>15870299
Cena got better matches out of Khali than anyone ever did with Kenny. He really was the goat.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:05:09 No.15870396 Report

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>>15870165
I agree prime Kenny is a level above for his athleticism and match layout being more dramatic, but AJ was probably due to his more traditional pedigree much better at convincing you it was a real knock-down slugfest fight where he was exhausted and desperately seeking the killshot without making a huge song and dance about it like Omega usually does.
This match is a great example

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:14:12 No.15870437 Report

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best thread on the board thank you op the consoel war stuff was fucking cancer holy shit

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:17:02 No.15870452 Report

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I would have to give the slight edge to Kenny overall

but I will say I like AJ's matches with Okada more
and it's my favorite match series of all time. It felt like a playoff baseball series or something.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:23:57 No.15870471 Report

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>>15870452
That was so convoluted and awkward. Okada always looked and moved so clumsily to me. I never really understood the hype.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:25:52 No.15870479 Report

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>>15870471
That's the most fluid wrestling counter sequence you'll ever see, anon. They also do a little selling along the way.

It's when Ospreay tries to do the same thing but does it at such speed that he overrates every time and doesn't give himself any time to get across the fight -- like when AJ resists Okada's wristlock, or Okada switches out of AJ's waistlock. I dunno man, looks incredible to me.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:26:05 No.15870484 Report

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>>15869850
Kenny and it's not even close

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:30:25 No.15870505 Report

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I think I'm going to have to with... Dick Murdoch cause I'm not a fucking zoomer.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:47:24 No.15870589 Report

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>>15870216
Are you seriously gonna pretend AJ isn't a giant gaming nerd that cut a promo about Pokemon after he won a world title?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Sep 2024 23:53:52 No.15870617 Report

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>>15870589
Are you seriously comparing a pop culture reference with being a faggot who wishes he was a video game?

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:00:04 No.15870650 Report

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>>15870617
I would argue that AJ is more of a gamer than Kenny so your point makes no sense

The man carries a custom modded XBOX with him on every flight
he is an autist about games, retro gaming in particular

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:01:25 No.15870663 Report

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>>15869850
AJ literally carried TNA on his back and once he left they had nobody who could fulfill his role (God help them they tried)

AJ wasn't the best promo but he wasn't the worst either but fuck it he's versatile, he can do athletic, high flying shit, mat wrestling, and brawler style - aka, The Trifecta of Peak Talent, and damn well made you believe he was a hell of a fighter when the chips were down

Kenny is a terrible promo, hinges on taking sick bumps, and just doesn't have that intensity

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:04:05 No.15870685 Report

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>>15870663
>and just doesn't have that intensity
Disagree, I think he has incredible athletic intensity in particular, and dynamic movements.

But I agree that Kenny relies more on high spots than AJ

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:07:02 No.15870739 Report

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>>15869850
DDT Omega > NJPW AJ > end of his TNA run AJ > WWE AJ > peak TNA AJ > NJPW Omega > Hogan era TNA AJ > Early Career AJ > aew Omega

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:11:59 No.15870803 Report

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>>15870685
To each their own, there's a certain spark I see when AJ has "big" matches that I just don't exactly see in Kenny's but I fully admit that might be because I've been more exposed to AJ than Kenny through TNA

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:12:55 No.15870812 Report

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>>15870739
AJPW Jr Kenny Omega is incredibly underrated

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:14:11 No.15870822 Report

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>>15870663
>Kenny is a terrible promo
This I whole heartedly agree with, Kenny is much better when he has someone be his mouthpiece for him which is why I think I like his run with Don Callis so damn much

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:29:27 No.15871018 Report

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People are going to have their favorites. Objectively it’s pretty fucking close and one doesn’t pull away far from the other no matter which side you choose but imo I’d have to pick Omega as much as I love Styles. I think Styles across his career has been better on the mic, also I think his candle has burned more consistently longer (that is, even in the twilight of his career he’s able to find ways to impact his company or opponent meaningfully) but Omega’s candle I feel has just simply burned brighter. His prime was unlike anything I’d ever seen and I’ve been watching pro wrestling since I was a kid in the 90’s. I honestly think Omega going to AEW and AJ going to the WWE has made this discussion even closer because imo Omega imo has kind of been wasted in AEW consistently falling into this thing of “exciting match guy” and nothing more or interesting story/character wise. Outside of his one pretty fun Belt Collector run and the two matches against Ospreay that ultimately went nowhere in terms of delivering the punchline of that storyline he’s felt aimless. AJ’s time in the WWE in comparison has been really good. He’s been in some meaningful storylines, has had memorable character moments and feuds while still putting on great matches. It’s been memorable I guess is my point while Omega’s kind of been misused since day one of AEW.

Anyway prime for prime it’s gotta be Kenny for me. This guy sent shockwaves across the wrestling world and throughout countries and promotions he wasn’t even in or a part of. A big part of the allure of AEW as it was forming was built on prime Omega’s star coming off of that ridiculous 3 or so year run in New Japan that had the world talking. Now they poured ice cold water on him for the entire first year but that’s a different thread.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:33:36 No.15871082 Report

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>>15870822
This didn’t become a narrative until he was in AEW. When he was in Japan the consensus was he was a good promo. I agree that his promo work has been less than stellar as a whole in the west but I also think that’s because left to his own devices he leans way too much into being a goofball nerd on the mic as opposed to when he was The Cleaner in NJPW and they mostly reigned him in to cutting more serious less over the top promos. Also I think he just feels more comfortable on the mic in Japan. I noticed it when he came back for that WK match against Ospreay and was cutting promos in Japanese again and like you could see and feel his confidence and badass aura again. Then you tune in to what he’s saying on AEW TV and he’s quoting Steve Urkel like that makes him look threatening. So idk what it is but there’s a difference between how he cuts promos for AEW versus in Japan beyond “he was better worse back then or now”.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:34:41 No.15871099 Report

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>>15871082
I honestly think Kenny is more confident promoing in Japanese

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:39:30 No.15871192 Report

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Seriously asking here, would you lads be willing to detail what exactly makes Kenny that much better than everybody else? Because while I do like him, sometimes I just don't see it in the grander scheme of NJPW top guys. He's super quick, intense, athletic, takes sick bumps, hits hard, has a good sense of logic, maintains the drama...but then so does Naito, or Devitt if we're mentioning gaijins. I would have mentioned Ibushi if he wasn't so overindulgent.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:40:06 No.15871201 Report

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>>15870104
Kenny would have played hide the willy with you.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:43:29 No.15871266 Report

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>>15870271
Not even styles top 5 matches
>>15870320
Kenny's health decline is from blasting gear, not from anything he did in the ring. It's like saying HHH had a hear attack from all of his years of quad tears. No it's from steroids.

OTT: Idk, I'd argue that Styles paved the way for Kenny, but Kenny took it to the next level, especially during his prime. NJPW Omega had my favorite matches of all time, but Styles might be the closest thing we have to a modern legend.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:50:28 No.15871412 Report

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>>15871099
I think some of it has to do with him trying to create “AEW Kenny Omega” as a different entity from what he was in Japan even character wise. Which honestly. Is kind of horseshit to commit to imo (but hey it’s his career) because everybody tuned in to see The Cleaner put everyone on notice and then he comes to AEW and tries to fix what wasn’t broken. As soon as he comes back to Japan it’s like “oh the guy that we all signed up to see is still in there, he’s just choosing to KWAB himself literally and figuratively in AEW”.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 00:52:51 No.15871456 Report

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>>15871266
>Idk, I'd argue that Styles paved the way for Kenny, but Kenny took it to the next level, especially during his prime. NJPW Omega had my favorite matches of all time, but Styles might be the closest thing we have to a modern legend.

This. Styles is a motherfucking legend if there ever was one but when Omega hit his stride he took what AJ was doing and took that shit to defcon 1.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 01:24:24 No.15871935 Report

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uncle allen always and forever

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 01:24:29 No.15871936 Report

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>>15871082
>they mostly reigned him in
I feel like that's the case with Ospreay, under Tony Khan all he is is a spot monkey with a meme catchphrase

Whereas in NJPW, he was much more versatile, credible, and had an air of being very compelling to follow.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 01:28:02 No.15871998 Report

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>>15871936
Somewhat. But to be totally honest Ospreay isn’t all too different from how he was in NJPW. Tony just lets him redline every match as much as he wants which I don’t really like but it’s not like with Kenny where his identity, his whole character is mad different from how he was in Japan, then you see him go back intermittently and he returns to that.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:21:47 No.15872641 Report

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>>15871998
He had to work the crowd in japan, had to keep proving that he's a top level guy. In AEW he already is a made man, worshipped by the boss. That's the difference. He's still autistic enough to work intensely during his matches, but it's a different mindset whether he realizes it or not.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:22:56 No.15872650 Report

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>>15870812
I forgot all about that, but it does basically exist in the same timeframe as DDT Omega.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:27:16 No.15872679 Report

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>>15871082
It boils down to the difference in the presentation. A press conference in NJPW or the show closing promo is pretty rudimentary and the stories are simple. In AEW there's no structure or planning so either you have incredible delivery and enough anecdotes and creativity to make some shit up to make sense of the stupid shit Tony sent you out to do or you embarrass yourself. Omega in AEW in general has been a bit sad. He looks broken. He is dressing badly, he doesn't seem to really care at all. Even as world champion he wasn't doing anything, he was letting the people around him take over his run and dictate the course and as a result he never did anything. Kinda like his NJPW title run which was tainted by the Bucks jumping around and subtracting from his presence.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:29:36 No.15872696 Report

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>>15871192
Omega isn't as good as Devitt as a worker in any real way. He's bigger and can do more stuff and he is a weeb so he was able to relate better to the Japanese audience so that works for some people. There's not a massive gap between them though. As someone who has loved Omega since his first DDT run, I honestly have no idea why people obsessed over him beyond the Meltzer propaganda.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:31:06 No.15872703 Report

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>>15871936
>>15871998
It's more that NJPW has a plan in place and you work a programme. In aew Tony writes your name in a spreadsheet so you have a pointless match for 20 minutes and have to justify it yourself.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:32:13 No.15872712 Report

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>>15872679
The Bucks have always leeched off Kenny's coattails, it happening in AEW should have shocked nobody

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:35:01 No.15872725 Report

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>>15872679
He did say in one of his streams that he gave up any creative control pretty early on in AEW's stint. You might be bang on the money here.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:35:31 No.15872729 Report

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>>15872712
That's why I wanted Omega to take the WWE offer. The company was named after the elite, which is a name I hated anyway, and they had 3 singles guys that were all going to be pushed to the moon. There's not enough time to have all 3 be top baby faces and Cody was already locked in. For all their sakes Cody as the first top face with Hangman as the rising star and Omega in WWE as a "you like this guy, there are more of us on the other channel" would have been better long term. In the end all of them flopped in aew when they were given the ball and Cody switching sides made him the biggest star in the world. That could have been Kenny.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:42:38 No.15872763 Report

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>>15872725
Well yeah, it's observable.
Take the anecdotes shit. Darby set himself up with a backstory right away and can pull from it whenever he needs to. Same with MJF. Whenever they get stuck in a stupid angle they can just pull that out and shape the program around it. Jungle Boy is trying to do that too and failing. Moxley is trying to do it by copying shit old movies. Jericho is amazing at it but he's so out of touch that all of his shit is dated gen x stuff that annoys the viewers. Omega's moves are named after video game moves and characters and they really needed to be updated to make the fans connect to them (no one played street fight 5). He would try to do what the others did and make an anecdote in his promos but the best he could ever manage was saying silly things and it just makes him look like an idiot. Without proper structure he was doomed and his work in general has been getting worse and more repetitive since he started hanging out with the bucks, they're an albatross around him

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 02:45:27 No.15872776 Report

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>>15872712
It didn't shock me in the slightest
Even among the indie niche that is AEW's TV viewership the Bucks fucking crater ratings, even moreso these days

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 04:15:24 No.15873242 Report

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>>15872696
>Omega isn't as good as Devitt

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 04:17:23 No.15873254 Report

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AJ. It's not even a contest. Kenny's okay but AJ is just next level. Not a spot monkey either.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 04:19:59 No.15873263 Report

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Omega. That’s it. That’s the thread.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 04:22:38 No.15873278 Report

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G1/IWGP title chase Omega was some otherworldly stuff. All respect to AJ Styles who is undoubtedly a GOAT and and a cot dang alien in his own right at his best but personally prime Omega shook the fuck outta me as a fan.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 04:26:28 No.15873295 Report

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>>15870663
AJ went from a mediocre promo to a good one in WWE during his "face that runs the place" run during/after his feud with Cena.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Sep 2024 04:39:20 No.15873353 Report

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>>15872725
I think the stuff with the women's division sapped whatever desire Kenny had creatively. He was in charge of it initially which is why TJPW and GTMV were there. Kenny has connections via Sanshiro Takagi, Shida and Emi to the wider joshi scene so he wanted to showcase the Japanese women. But very quickly, Brandi tried to take it over to push her shitty Nightmare Collective with herself as the top heel. Kenny got pissed at her stepping on his toes and instead of telling Brandi to fuck off, Tony just took the division from both of them and began booking it himself. It's pretty obvious that Kenny saw the whole thing was a clown show at that moment and stopped giving a shit.

Also had the upshot of ruining the women's division because Tony, of course, is an awful booker and he blatantly doesn't give a shit about the women and doubly doesn't give a shit about the Japanese women which took away one of the company's big draws and something that differentiated it from WWE. The way Tony took one of this top draws in Riho and absolutely destroyed her through both spite and incompetence should be studied.

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