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Trojan War Quest #3

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 12:45:05 No.5827930 View View Reply Original Report

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Sing, goddess, the glory of Nikandros Hippomedion, who journeys far from home alongside famed companions to entreat Ilion’s sacred citadel. Sing of the wrath of Menelaus, of the folly of Paris, of Zeus’s plan which even now comes to fulfillment…

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 12:46:49 No.5827933 Report

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Two Excerpts from the Thebaid
Translation by Jane Wilson Joyce

All these towering Hippomedon led and taught to love
goodly Valor. On his head a bronze helmet swayed
with snow-white plumes triple-tiered; beneath his weapons,
iron chain mail chafed his sides; shoulders and chest a
far-flaming disc protected, where lived, in perfect gold,
Danaus’ Night:

In fifty guilty bridal suites glow,
the Furies’ pitch-black torches;
the father himself at the blood-
stained doors praises the heinous crime
and inspects the swords.

Leaving the stronghold of Pallas, a Nemean steed, hooves pounding,
Shying at arms, conveyed Hippomedon; their joint shadow
Flying, immense – mantled the fields as, along the plain, dust rose:
No difference when Centaur Hylaeus, flinging himself headlong
Down from his mountain cave, crashes through woods with
Shoulders and both chests;
Ossa shies at his passage, creatures tame and wild
crouch down in fear; even his own brothers feel alarmed
until, with a prodigious leap, he plunges into
the river Peneus, breasting and damming its mighty stream.”

Statius’ Thebaid, Book IV

Only then
As weapons flashed and men shouted - did the grim snake shift
Its scaly neck.

With huge effort, tall Hippomedon
Heaved up a field stone, a boundary marker, and hurled it
Through empty air with much the same whirlwind effect as
When boulders, lobbed by war engines, leap at bolted gates.
A vain, if heroic attempt: the serpent at once rippled
Its supple neck back and away, spoiling the oncoming blow.
The earth thudded and, deep in uncharted groves, interlaced
Branches sprang apart.

“But” (cried Capaneus) “you’ll not
escape my strike!” and he sprang at the snake with his ashwood spear…”

Statius’ Thebaid, Book V

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 12:49:02 No.5827937 Report

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[bold]LESCHES’ NOTES[/bold]

A word of explanation – this is Homer’s quest, and I am not him. I’ve hijacked this quest to complete Nikandros’ story – until either his death or to his eternal glory; whatever the Spinners have in store for him. Homer – if you’re reading, it's never too late to resume this quest - I'd hand it back to you at a moment's notice. However, I'd love to have you as a player, even if you're not comfortably posting with your trip on...

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Recommended Reading:

Trojan War Quest #1: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5579585/
Trojan War Quest #2: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5610431/
Trojan War Quest #2: Nostos: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5742360/

Optional Reading:

Trojan War Quest: Deianira’s Sidestory #1: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5644134/
Trojan War Quest: Deianira's Sidestory #2: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5687242/
Trojan War Quest: Deianira's Sidestory #2.1:
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5725902/

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 12:50:49 No.5827938 Report

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LESCHES’ NOTES

A word of explanation – this is Homer’s quest, and I am not him. I’ve hijacked this quest to complete Nikandros’ story – until either death or to eternal glory; whatever the Spinners have in store for him. Homer – if you’re reading, I’d love to have you as a player, even if you’d prefer to stay anonymous!

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Recommended Reading:

Trojan War Quest #1: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5579585/
Trojan War Quest #2: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5610431/
Trojan War Quest #2: Nostos: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5742360/

Optional Reading:

Trojan War Quest: Deianira’s Sidestory #1: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5644134/
Trojan War Quest: Deianira's Sidestory #2: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5687242/
Trojan War Quest: Deianira's Sidestory #2.1: https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5725902/

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 12:52:11 No.5827939 Report

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Nikandros (Νίκων)

Level Two

Height: 6’10”

Kleos: You’re almost famous! +1 to Kleos checks. Deeds below.

Major:
• Petteia Champion of Skyros, He Who Found Achilles (+5)
Minor:
• Royal Guard Rectifier, Revealer of Mediocrity (+1)
• Lesser Delian Striver, Singer of “The Dam” (+1)
• Unwelcome in the Court of Peleus (-1)

Timae: That of a typical impoverished country lord. -4 to Timae checks. Riches below.

• Mycenean Chariot: Courtesy of Electra.
• Ancestral Arms and Armor: Bronze Panoplia, Spear, Sword, Shield, all of Royal Quality.

STATS

Strength- (18/24) (+6)
Agility- (13/20) (+1)
Constitution- (14/24) (+2)
Willpower- (12/20)(-1) (+0)
Intelligence- (17/24)(-1) (+4)
Charisma- (11/20)(-1) (+0)

Regional Alignment: Thessalian (+3 STR, +3 AGI)

Epithets:

• Bouleeis: Of good counsel (from Military Genius)

Traits:

• Dutiful: You get an extra stat point per level.

• Military Genius: +6 INT, +4 INT cap, +4 skill at relevant matters. Creative military write-ins can be accepted. Previously known as Tactical Genius.

• Giant: +4 to STR/STR cap, as well as +4 to CON/CON cap.

• Disfavored of the Rivers: -1 AGI, -1 STR, -1 CON. 1 automatic failure per thread on rolls pertaining to these deities’ interests: these are understood to be divine intercession IC. -3 when interacting with all aquatic daemons. This trait may be later upgraded to Enmity.

• Fresh Olympian Blood: +1 to all stats, regenerate 2 health per turn of combat. +3 when interacting with daemons. You can see and talk to supernatural entities without assistance.

• Sympathy: +2 to social rolls with suffering persons, may later upgrade to Empathy.

STATUS

HP- (10/10)

• Fading Concussion: For a limited time, you suffer a -1 to all social stats.

Skills:

• Petteia: +4 to the game. (Military Genius)
• Command: +4 when commanding your troops personally in battle. (Military Genius)
• Sympathetic: +2 when interacting with suffering persons. (Sympathy)
• Divine Aura: +3 when interacting with daemons. (FOB)
• River Gossip: -3 when interacting with aquatic daemons (DotR)
• Divine Regeneration: Heal 2 health per combat turn (FOB)
• More skills to be uncovered as circumstances and traits necessitate.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 12:54:03 No.5827940 Report

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Inventory:

• Conch of Leukothea, a means by which Nikandros can call upon the White Goddess and sooth stormy seas of the coast of the Troad.
• Two charges of Nepenthe, a potent drug. Purgation of all sadness, all grief, and more importantly, any curse of the psyche. Worth a kingly sum.
• Ancestral Armor: +2 to wound rolls
• Ancestral Shield: +1 to wound rolls
• Lebinthian Spear: 1d6 + Str + Spearplay damage. -1 to enemy armor bonii
• Sword: 1d5 + Str + Swordplay damage, -2 to hit against a spear user, -2 to wound against a shield user.
• Lebinthian Knife: 1d3 + Str + Knifeplay damage. -1 to enemy armor bonii. -4 to hit against a spear user, -4 to hit against a shield user.

Your Forces: Presently not with you

• Second In Command: Argyros, veteran of the Second Argo-Theban war. An experienced campaigner who is utterly devoted to your family. He can be trusted to command the men in your stead but is a commoner in every other sense. When he is independently commanding your troops, they receive a +3 bonus in combat and another die. His bonus (but not the die) adds to yours when you directly command.

• First Platoon: Your House troops, fifty picked men from your home estates. Exceedingly well trained, experienced, loyal, and high morale: some of the best troops in the whole Hellenic Expedition. However, poorly armed in rural Hellenic style: smallish wooden shields with leather overlay, linothorax armor, no helmets, short spears. (Tier Three Troops: +1 for Thessalian, +1 for Argyros, +1 for Military Genius. +0 equipment bonus in fighting.)

Personal Debts:

One debt of major import to the goddess Thetis, chief of the Nereids.
One minor debt owed to Ajax, Prince of Salamis.
One minor debt owed to Polypias, Samian bronzesmith. You have agreed to slay his apprentice, Auletes, in Ilion, using your Lebinthian weapons.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 12:59:18 No.5827942 Report

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And now, we resume Nikandros' tale, as he and the Achaeans grapple with the unhinged King Philomeides of Lesbos...

Suddenly, swarms of servants roll into the palace’s courtyard; the feast table, and even the benches are stolen away and placed on the sides of the hall. Bizarrely, you see a team of slaves lifting away at the polished floor stones of the feast hall, and these are revealed to be thick tiles - they are stacked in chest-high towers by the corners of the room. To your surprise, the team of slaves quickly reveals a sand pit beneath the flooring.

An arena?

Philomeides addresses your confused and outraged party as a whole, his heavily-muscled arms raised to the air:

"In the house of Philomeides of Hattusa - all men must prove their worth, or suffer the consequences!" His baritone voice is excited, his tone aggressive. Menelaus begins shouting at the man to explain himself, that this is a violation of ξενία, but the foreign giant ignores him outright. You struggle to understand the Phyrigian’s meaning - before you hear the sounds of sandaled troops marching into the hall. Two platoons of men, Hellenes and foreigners alike, line the feast walls, with spears and shields. They hold position against the walls, but the threat is breathtakingly clear.

Philomeides continues his insane ranting - by the gods, only a madman would threaten the King of Sparta this way!

"WHICH OF YOU SMASHED MY GATE AND KILLED MY GUARDS?" he roars, spittle flying into the air. The beast is insensate - he completely ignores Menelaus and Odysseus, who are both wildly pleading with him to cast aside this madness before he garners Zeus' retribution. Philomeides' bloodshot eyes dance between yourself and Ajax - the only men present of roughly equivalent size.

"I CHALLENGE THE GUILTY MAN TO STEP FORWARD AND TEST YOUR STRENGTH AGAINST MINE!”

Harpocrates, god of silence, drapes his cloak about the room - only the faintest crackling of the wall-torches audible.

You consciously begin to shift your weight, rotating slightly, preparing for a mad rush against the spearmen against the wall closest to you. You catch the eyes of sturdy Ajax and golden-haired Pollux – wordlessly, the three of you find that you are all resigned to violence, and a desperate battle out of the feast hall. By smashing into the spearman along the wall as a group, your team will be able to temporarily disrupt and confuse the commoners, and once equipped with their shoddy arms, you may well be able to butcher your way out of the mad king’s palace, so long as you fight tightly in formation. To your right, Menelaus is still pleading with Philomeides to no effect; Palamedes seems to have vanished entirely – you suspect he has ducked under the feast table and out of immediate danger. Ajax opens his mouth to roar his command to attack, and you turn even further towards the bracing commoner spearmen, steeling yourself to –

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 13:08:45 No.5827947 Report

Quoted By: >>5827948 >>5827949 >>5827962 >>5827970 >>5827975 >>5828008

Rolled 18, 5, 11 + 1 = 35 (3d20 + 1)

“I CONFESS MY GUILT.”

A melodious voice rings out in the darkening hall. Stunned, you look back to the revealed arena and find that resourceful Odysseus stands proudly before Philomeides, having leapt upon the sands. The difference in size could hardly be greater – Odysseus is a shorter man amongst the nobility and the wild foreigner is well more than a head taller.

“King Philomeides – it was I, King Odysseus of Ithaka, who smashed your gates and killed your guards – little more than vagrants and bandits, truthfully. I plucked two women from your hard-scrabble town and blessed them with my affections – as is my right as King. My only regret – that your ignorance of civilized custom prevents you from providing us proper hospitality. In Ithaka, I would have treated you to wine and song; pleasant days and nights amongst my people until you had put away your need for eating of substance and the drinking of Dionysian elixir... The greatest of my cattle would have been slaughtered for our enjoyment; the finest products of my vineyards our delight to sample… Why not put aside this mad desire for conflict? Perhaps there are other ways that I might find your forgiveness?" A lascivious glance from Odysseus seals the impression of an effete; a clear provocation, if nothing else.

Odysseus’ voice is infuriatingly smug and somehow also communicates unseriousness – he sounds as a pampered man who has not known hardship or strife. Of course, you realize – this is a calculating effort on his part. You notice that even his posture and gestures are altered – his left foot slightly turned inwards, awkwardly, upon the soft sand of the arena, and he tosses his hair flamboyantly. Philomeides’ wine-slackened features register surprise at the smaller man’s words, before understanding and then finally fury bleeds through:

“You have written your death warrant, soft man. سوف أستمتع بسحقك.” And with that, the foreign King adopts a fluid wrestler’s stance, knees bent, arms hanging low; his inebriation causes him to slip a bit upon the sands as he falls into position. His dark eyes shine in the torchlight, and he simply bellows at an earshattering volume before making a sloppy charge at Odysseus Laertides, kicking up huge sprays of sand in the process. Odysseus has nimbly dropped into his own wrestling stance – you note with interest that there is no sign of fear in the eyes of the King of Ithaka - only resolve.

>I think it would be fun to have you guys roll for Odysseus in this wrestling encounter, so I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+8. Odysseus is fairly strong naturally and enjoys a significant wrestling performance bonus given his powerful “Odyssean Skillset” trait.
>King Phil would normally enjoy a substantial bonus as well, but he is currently wrestling with only a +1 bonus after being successfully baited by Odysseus.

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Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 13:11:16 No.5827948 Report

Quoted By: >>5827950 >>5827975

Rolled 15 + 8 (1d20 + 8)

>>5827947
Oh my that’s quite the strong modifier. Let’s see if the dice are still temperamental.

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 12 Nov 2023 13:12:32 No.5827949 Report

Quoted By: >>5827951

Rolled 2 + 8 (1d20 + 8)

>>5827947

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Anonymous ID:EgbKWBS/ Sun 12 Nov 2023 13:13:05 No.5827950 Report

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Rolled 4 + 8 (1d20 + 8)

>>5827948
Damn.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 12 Nov 2023 13:13:34 No.5827951 Report

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>>5827949
Yes, they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kbfFPM9x Sun 12 Nov 2023 13:31:00 No.5827962 Report

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>>5827947
Yooooo
Welcome back !
Fuck Memelaus

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Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sun 12 Nov 2023 13:54:44 No.5827970 Report

Quoted By: >>5827975

>>5827947
WB, Lesches

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 14:06:59 No.5827975 Report

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>>5827947

>23 vs 19
>a victory for Odysseus, how fortunate and canonical! but not without cost.

>>5827948

Yes, Odysseus is almost as scary as Achilles or Hector, in some ways. He draws with Ajax in wrestling during the funeral games at the end of the Iliad. Good thing he's on our side - for now.

>>5827962
>>5827970

Thank for the kind words, lads. DESU, I've been impatient to return for several weeks, but wanted to be confident in my plan for this thread first.

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Odysseus does something unexpected – he countercharges in a burst of acceleration, keeping low to the sand. You’ve hardly had time to register his movement before he is cutting low against Philomeides’ titanic legs on his right side, kicking out at his right ankle and tearing at the Lesbian king’s right elbow. The momentum of the giant is now a liability, as he spins to his right side, trying to catch Odysseus even as the Ithakan violently drags him down onto the sands.

Philomeides’ bulk thunderously smashes into the sand, and Odysseus is quick to scramble into a four-point crawl, bracing his neck and shoulders against the giant’s. You mentally scoff that he might match the giant strength for strength – but Philomeides scarcely has a chance to enter his own braced crouch before Odysseus is simply not there; the Ithakan has rolled his shoulder and scrambled under the dark-skinned opponent, wriggling under the opponent's arm, and out to the side as Philomeides crashes flat. Odysseus applies every bit of leverage to press him against the sand - several quick motions later – he has wrapped Philomeides’ arms behind his own back, a painful lock with the Lesbian's elbows pointed upwards, with Odysseus’ arms trapping them.

Philomeides doesn’t flail – he instead rolls like an enormous serpent, hoping to crush Odysseus in the process – but Odysseus allows the motion to carry him to the side and his lock only deepens. Philomeides curses violently in a mixture of Hellenika and what you presume to be some Hittite tongue as he strains – Odysseus only barely holds on as his opponent rocks like a ship in violent seas – Philomeides manages to strike out with the back of his head, smashing into Odysseus’ nose – blood streams down into Odysseus’ mouth and over his chin instantly. But for all that – the bout is effectively over, having lasting less than a minute. Philomeides is unable to break the hold, and Odysseus has the fortitude to maintain it.

“You are defeated, Philomeides. Admit it!” hisses Odysseus. The drunken savage continues to resist for some time, before he concedes. Odysseus does not release his hold immediately –

“You guarantee our safe release from the palace?”

“I do,” answers the Phyrigian in frustrated tones.

“Swear the strong oath to the Thunderer that we will be released; otherwise, let him strike you down with a bolt cast from Olympus.”

“I swear it, Achaean.”

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 14:58:46 No.5827996 Report

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Eh, slight snag - next update will be out for 3pm or so EST.

Happy to be back anons!

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Anonymous ID:OgsB0itP Sun 12 Nov 2023 15:18:17 No.5828008 Report

Quoted By: >>5828016 >>5829710

>>5827947
>سوف أستمتع بسحقك
>google translate says, "I will enjoy crushing on you"
is that legit? or google fuckup???

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 15:29:40 No.5828016 Report

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>>5828008

It’s supposed to read “I will enjoy crushing you” but I’m amused at the translation you provided given Odysseus’ sort of salacious and (for the time period) offensive overtures.

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anonymous ID:0axC+Wvx Sun 12 Nov 2023 15:33:47 No.5828017 Report

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Oh thank fuck I got her in time and didn’t get late for the voting.
Hey Lesches! Good to see your still alive and keeping this quest as well, shame about the time but that’s life for you.

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Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 12 Nov 2023 15:55:08 No.5828034 Report

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IT LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fucking BLESSED!

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 12 Nov 2023 16:53:48 No.5828070 Report

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I'm here to vote.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:06:28 No.5828180 Report

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I bet we would have had to roll twice to win. Plot armoring Odweebeus. Hate that guy.

We'll have to congratulate him on his win. And probably express shock at his competency. The stories of his exploits speak more of his shrewd manner, skill at the helm and with a bow than his wrestling after all. And file it away for later that if we ever come to blows not to fall for his provocations. Seeing how he weaponizes them.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:09:33 No.5828183 Report

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Philomeides was hardly gracious in defeat – he sourly ordered his spearmen to exit the hall, and his slaves to replace the floor tiles, covering the arena sands. He insists on all present sitting once more at the feast table, as if nothing had occurred, before being reminded by Odysseus that he had literally just sworn to release you all from his palace in short order. You all watch him with anxious eyes, but his wild nature seems to have been deflated by his defeat – Odysseus surprises you by gamely engaging with him in conversation, but doesn’t get far – a hodge-podge of grunts, mutterings in Phrygian tongues and wine-bleary scowls are Odysseus Laertides’ rewards for this effort. Clearly, the Lesbian giant enjoys the crushing of his guests more than the entertaining of them – and with no prospect of the former, he has little interest in continuing the farce.

Philomeides keeps his word – although, perhaps only due to the weight of the strong oaths observed by his noble guests and the possible threat of destruction from on high. Your party’s travel back through Mytilene to your beached galleys is a swift one – no one is willing to risk a change of heart from the Lesbian king. The town itself is eerily quiet – you guess that the townsfolk are still paranoid that additional blood may be shed, after your casual murder of the gate guards earlier, and amorous abduction (at first willing, and then… not) of the twins, Eucaste and Orythione.

Nyx, goddess of night, has unfurled her star-studded shawl over the vaulted ceiling of heaven, but the light of bright-tressed Selene is strong – the countryside and shoreline is well-lit by her silver radiance. Menelaus is not at ease – he spends the march down to the shore grumbling about foreign savages and openly pining for Helen - he orders that the crews of the camp prepare for a potential night raid from a Lesbian force and if none appears, for a prompt departure in the morning, as soon as yellow-robed Eos shows herself. With the assistance of Ajax and yourself, the crews are placed in the appropriate positions and night sentries placed along the shores, as well as a few in the upper boughs of the trees dotting the pathway from Mytilene to the shoreline.

As for your party – you all must listen to Odysseus’ vaunting as he retells the story of his victory over Philomeides to the crews, as roast pork and wine is served by the cookfires. You would like to be irritated – any other man so quick to praise his own conduct you would find disagreeable on principle – but Odysseus manages to be both amusing and self-deprecating, mocking his own broken nose (now reset and bandaged by Castor) as he insists on replicating the fight with Menelaus’ assistance. You can’t help but laugh as he imitates the fruitless straining of Philomeides upon the sands of the beach even as he pokes fun at Menelaus’ wrestling technique.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:18:11 No.5828195 Report

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Once the comedic act is over, and you’ve had your fill of meat, grains, vegetables and wine – you have the evening to spend as you see fit. You personally doubt that any Lesbian raid is on the way – Philomeides seems the type to lazily sulk with women and wine after a defeat, rather than expend any significant effort and seek revenge.

>What will Nikon do? You have time for one encounter before the galleys set off along the Troad coastline tomorrow morning.

>With the night as well-illuminated as it is – you consider a rejuvenating hike along the shore and coastline. You’ll bring your bronze, of course, but you doubt that there’s any true danger present in the fairly-civilized Lesbian coastline. The cool sea air is soothing and fresh – perhaps you’ll finally be able to shed yourself of the lingering remnants of Diomedes’ gift to you in Mycenae?

>Speak with Teukros – you have fashioned a strong bond of friendship with him. It is time to make your case for war and glory to him directly. You would prefer to have an ally in your aims well-before you reach strong-founded Ilion, and to have the grandson of King Priam and a Luwian-speaking conspirator in your corner would be tremendously helpful, if you seek to exert influence over the diplomatic talks.

>Speak with Pollux and Castor – you wonder what the Dioscuri would have to say about the bout between Philomeides and Odysseus. Building your relationship with the twins will only be to your benefit – they are respected by Menelaus, as famed Argonauts, and therefore influence with them will translate to influence with Menelaus while in council. That being said - you will not speak with them openly about your hopes for eternal fame in war – after all, the Dioscuri will likely seek the immediate return of their sister, not glory on the battlefield.

>Speak with Ajax – it’s not too late to further build upon your relationship with him, even in this last leg of your journey to Ilion. You’ve made some minor inroads with him, but not as much as you would have liked. Out of all those present, he may be most receptive to discussion of military tactics and strategy. Also – you have to admit to yourself – you are acutely aware of your need for actual tutelage in melee combat.

>Speak with someone else? Menelaus, Palamedes, Odysseus are all available. Please specify your selection if you vote for this option.

>Something I haven’t thought of?

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Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:21:35 No.5828199 Report

Quoted By: >>5828306 >>5828566 >>5846558

>>5828195
>With the night as well-illuminated as it is – you consider a rejuvenating hike along the shore and coastline. You’ll bring your bronze, of course, but you doubt that there’s any true danger present in the fairly-civilized Lesbian coastline. The cool sea air is soothing and fresh – perhaps you’ll finally be able to shed yourself of the lingering remnants of Diomedes’ gift to you in Mycenae?

It only seems appropriate to start this thread by going on a classic Nikon hike.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:22:39 No.5828200 Report

Quoted By: >>5828306 >>5828566

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FSdY6y/H Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:22:52 No.5828201 Report

Quoted By: >>5828306 >>5828566

>>5828195
>Speak with Ajax – it’s not too late to further build upon your relationship with him, even in this last leg of your journey to Ilion. You’ve made some minor inroads with him, but not as much as you would have liked. Out of all those present, he may be most receptive to discussion of military tactics and strategy. Also – you have to admit to yourself – you are acutely aware of your need for actual tutelage in melee combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:27:44 No.5828208 Report

Quoted By: >>5828216 >>5828224 >>5828225

>>5828195
>Something I haven’t thought of?
Pray to Hades.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:28:06 No.5828209 Report

Quoted By: >>5828306 >>5828566

>>5828195
I am torn between hicking and learning to fight from Ajax. Just a reminder that hiking can go anywhere from rerolls and divine blessings to deadly encounters and divine bullshit. I love our hikes but time is short.

>Speak with Ajax – it’s not too late to further build upon your relationship with him, even in this last leg of your journey to Ilion. You’ve made some minor inroads with him, but not as much as you would have liked. Out of all those present, he may be most receptive to discussion of military tactics and strategy. Also – you have to admit to yourself – you are acutely aware of your need for actual tutelage in melee combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:34:02 No.5828215 Report

Quoted By: >>5828306 >>5828382 >>5828566

>>5828195
>>Speak with Ajax – it’s not too late to further build upon your relationship with him, even in this last leg of your journey to Ilion. You’ve made some minor inroads with him, but not as much as you would have liked. Out of all those present, he may be most receptive to discussion of military tactics and strategy. Also – you have to admit to yourself – you are acutely aware of your need for actual tutelage in melee combat.
The concussions is supposed to wear off naturally by the time we get to Troy anyway. Even though that's meta. But I don't want to go for a hike and have the fucking moon itself come down and call us a loser or something.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:35:27 No.5828216 Report

Quoted By: >>5828223 >>5828233

>>5828208

You could certainly pray to the Lord of Many, anon - but he is infamously deaf to the concerns of mortals and (AFAIK) there's not many myths where he bothers to get off his underworld throne do anything (apart from the whole abduction of Persephone episode).

IC, Nikandros would probably think that this sort of prayer to Hades is a wasted effort - I would encourage you to reconsider your vote!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:41:44 No.5828223 Report

Quoted By: >>5828226

>>5828216
I think the only time Hades would ever come up out of his realm other than when he called to Olympus for some matter or other is if a bunch of shades somehow escaped. Which is essentially impossible, not only because getting outta there is a pain in the ass, but the guard dog is quite good at his job.

And even then he'd probably just ask his wife or Hecate to send some lampads to retrieve them or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:42:44 No.5828224 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828208
Pray to anybody listening. Wkno knows someone important may be watching this shitshow.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:44:16 No.5828225 Report

Quoted By: >>5828236 >>5828306 >>5828566

>>5828208
Pray to anybody listening. Who knows someone important may be watching this shitshow.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:45:21 No.5828226 Report

Quoted By: >>5828229

>>5828223

I have the same perspective after reading some of the source myths - again, apart from the Persephone episode, Hades is professional, competent and generally the most organized of the Zeus/Poseidon/Hades trifecta. Plus, he seems to be an infertile god given his portfolio and thus doesn’t have mortal progeny to play favorites with. I think a lot would have to go wrong before he becomes an active participant in mortal or divine politics…

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:48:13 No.5828229 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828226
As someone who has read and participated in quite a few quests, all it takes is enough dice rolls for one random mook to either die having changed nothing or lived long enough to change everthing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:49:46 No.5828233 Report

Quoted By: >>5828236 >>5828239 >>5828306 >>5828382 >>5828566

>>5828216
Fair. I'm uncertain which god or goddess Nikandros is particularly attached to.

Pray to Chronos for enough time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:51:15 No.5828236 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828233
>>5828225
Thanks.

Do this. Pray in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:52:03 No.5828237 Report

Quoted By:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymph

Also did y'all know there were nymphs for basically fucking everything? Like damn. Even some of the constellations are apparently nymphs. Chicks get around. My favorite are the leimakids, because the other way to refer to them is leimoniads which looks like "lemonade". Very amusing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FSdY6y/H Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:54:16 No.5828239 Report

Quoted By: >>5828240

>>5828233
Nike is the goddess we have been honoring so far.
Chronos is probably too busy being locked in Tartarus to answer. Like based rock throwing Athos

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 12 Nov 2023 19:55:58 No.5828240 Report

Quoted By: >>5828243

>>5828239
Are you thinking of Chronos, god of time, or Cronus, Titan and Zeus' father? Because I'm thinking of the first one.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FSdY6y/H Sun 12 Nov 2023 20:00:22 No.5828243 Report

Quoted By: >>5828247

>>5828240
I think even the greeks mixed both of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FSdY6y/H Sun 12 Nov 2023 20:04:58 No.5828247 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828243
I meant to say "I think even greeks must have mixed both of them up"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sun 12 Nov 2023 20:04:58 No.5828248 Report

Quoted By: >>5828306 >>5828566

>>5828195
>With the night as well-illuminated as it is – you consider a rejuvenating hike along the shore and coastline. You’ll bring your bronze, of course, but you doubt that there’s any true danger present in the fairly-civilized Lesbian coastline. The cool sea air is soothing and fresh – perhaps you’ll finally be able to shed yourself of the lingering remnants of Diomedes’ gift to you in Mycenae?

Let us hope that there aren't any more giant fucking birds

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 12 Nov 2023 21:20:02 No.5828306 Report

Quoted By:

Vote will close tonight at 9:00pm EST

Tally so far

Hiking

>>5828199
>>5828200
>>5828248

Talk with Ajax

>>5828201
>>5828209
>>5828215

Pray to divinities for guidance (Hades, Chronus or Nike otherwise)

>>5828225
>>5828233

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sun 12 Nov 2023 21:40:43 No.5828320 Report

Quoted By: >>5828324

You know, I just remembered the Song of Achilles exists, and recalling this has brought a dark vision to my mind. The Song of Nikandros.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Sun 12 Nov 2023 21:42:59 No.5828324 Report

Quoted By: >>5828388 >>5828566

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sun 12 Nov 2023 21:45:20 No.5828325 Report

Quoted By: >>5828566

>>5828195
>>With the night as well-illuminated as it is – you consider a rejuvenating hike along the shore and coastline. You’ll bring your bronze, of course, but you doubt that there’s any true danger present in the fairly-civilized Lesbian coastline. The cool sea air is soothing and fresh – perhaps you’ll finally be able to shed yourself of the lingering remnants of Diomedes’ gift to you in Mycenae?
It's only appropriate to hike lads. Let's find the infamous Lesbian monster

And Lesches it is SO good to be back here!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Sun 12 Nov 2023 21:57:22 No.5828337 Report

Quoted By: >>5828566

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lZRnnLiJ Sun 12 Nov 2023 22:27:20 No.5828368 Report

Quoted By: >>5828566

>>5828195
>Pray to the Gods (preferably Nike)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kbfFPM9x Sun 12 Nov 2023 22:30:55 No.5828374 Report

Quoted By: >>5828566

>>5828195
>>Speak with Ajax – it’s not too late to further build upon your relationship with him, even in this last leg of your journey to Ilion. You’ve made some minor inroads with him, but not as much as you would have liked. Out of all those present, he may be most receptive to discussion of military tactics and strategy. Also – you have to admit to yourself – you are acutely aware of your need for actual tutelage in melee combat.
Oh shit. Nah this majority vote choices are not good. Thank god nobody thought about going to Memelaus.
Ugh........ bare minum another debt. Fucking Ajax, but I am not going hiking. Not with the hellish creatures stalking the wild.
Remember for anyone that forgot, Ajax isn't a friend or an equal. And he will not simply give us training. He wants something worth is time for doing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kbfFPM9x Sun 12 Nov 2023 22:45:30 No.5828382 Report

Quoted By: >>5828403

>>5828233
Nike for the moment mostly because people thought of gaining favor with a deity, that has less mortal attention.

I think Nikandros, Deianira and the Hippodemon in general prayed to the general main pantheon and still do.
Of course Deianira prays to Hekate.
Nothing stops Nikandros to pray to other deities and try gain their favor. Or just to do so because it was their favourite.

>>5828215
Correct, Troy is near. We cant afford another hike, they can rapidly go wrong, wounds are a damage for everything. You can be weaker, dumber, slower, cut out from important stuff due to healing and so on. Bad, always something to consider even with impulse.
And we have a very important mission to do in Troy, on top of a side mission. Chances are we might fail it regardless, or it might be accomplished either way for a reason or another out of our control.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sun 12 Nov 2023 22:48:24 No.5828388 Report

Quoted By: >>5828393

>>5828324
>Someone should get on to that.

The question is, who would Nikandros be paired with in the make believe story of Nikandros.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 22:50:38 No.5828393 Report

Quoted By: >>5828397

>>5828388
Teukros

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sun 12 Nov 2023 22:52:13 No.5828397 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828393
The twink would not survive his affection

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 22:55:36 No.5828403 Report

Quoted By: >>5828411 >>5828413

>>5828382
The hike isn’t going to result in another monster unless we’re really unlucky. Read what the hike actually says. We’re on Lesbos, an island with a lot of human habitation. Stop exaggerating the danger.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 23:00:38 No.5828411 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828403
>The hike isn’t going to result in another monster unless we’re really unlucky
So we're DEFINITELY going to hit another monster, got it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 12 Nov 2023 23:01:21 No.5828413 Report

Quoted By: >>5828418

>>5828403
We currently have an unknown divinity present empowering mortals to assist them in fighting us. Odds are that they are still around.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sun 12 Nov 2023 23:04:36 No.5828418 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828413
Bet it is the rivers. We'll stem all soon enough, build mighty dams wherever what dares to flow on land

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 12 Nov 2023 23:42:18 No.5828451 Report

Quoted By: >>5828455 >>5828566

>>5828195
>Pray to Nike for guidance.
We ARE about to have to start a war and all.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 12 Nov 2023 23:50:21 No.5828455 Report

Quoted By: >>5828456

>>5828451
Not necessarily. We just have to make sure we get Helen back, all the shit Paris stole, and Paris himself. Basically full fucking force humiliate and browbeat Priam and Troy into giving everything back.

So yeah we're about to start a war kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lZRnnLiJ Sun 12 Nov 2023 23:53:32 No.5828456 Report

Quoted By: >>5828466

>>5828455
Not to mention our arrangement with the princess to sabotage it if it does happen kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 13 Nov 2023 00:10:31 No.5828466 Report

Quoted By: >>5828474

>>5828456
>Not to mention our arrangement with the princess to sabotage it if it does happen kek
Is it bad that I almost forgot about that?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 13 Nov 2023 00:11:04 No.5828467 Report

Quoted By: >>5828566

>>5828195
>be
>Speak with Ajax

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 00:15:10 No.5828474 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828466
A little bit. But it's fine, we're all here to remind each other. Brothers in arms.

As long as we can make the Atreidae look like big dick unassailable motherfuckers she'll be happy. So the total submission of the Trojans to the previously stipulated demands or a strong showing of GLORIOUS WAR will make Electra happy. And since getting Priam to roll over and show his belly which would lead to one of his children getting undoubtedly executed will be an almost impossible sell. Doubly so with the absolute gigachad Hector present. He's an absolute wall of a lad and he does not bend.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VYMcpN8y Mon 13 Nov 2023 01:37:37 No.5828526 Report

Quoted By: >>5828543

>>5827938
Well shoot, guess I better register since I still haven't caught up from the last thread. I'd do the poetry thing but I'm really not bothered to learn the ins and outs of Homeric style poetry.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 01:52:51 No.5828543 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828526
You're within 48 hours of thread start, you're good.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 13 Nov 2023 02:02:50 No.5828566 Report

Quoted By:

Final Tally

Hiking

>>5828199
>>5828200
>>5828248
>>5828325 (one post ID but it doesn't matter anyways)
>>5828337 (one post ID but it doesn't matter anyways)

Talk with Ajax

>>5828201
>>5828209
>>5828215
>>5828324
>>5828374
>>5828467

Pray to divinities for guidance (Hades, Chronus or Nike otherwise)

>>5828225
>>5828233
>>5828368
>>5828451

---

Looks like speaking with Ajax wins narrowly. I was a bit surprised by the "pray to divinities" write-ins but I appreciate the creativity here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Mon 13 Nov 2023 02:13:45 No.5828576 Report

Quoted By: >>5828602

Had a thought while showering. Imagine if Nikandros survives the trojan war, only to get caught up in the odyssey right afterwards cause he accidentally walked onto the wrong boat and no one noticed he was there until shit went south

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 02:32:26 No.5828602 Report

Quoted By: >>5828606

>>5828576
>Nikandros, why are you on my ship?
>Odysseus why are you sailing towards an obviously cyclops inhabited island!?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Mon 13 Nov 2023 02:35:42 No.5828606 Report

Quoted By: >>5828611

>>5828602
>actually, wait, every hero I tried to get to bang my sister is dead
>Maybe a cyclops will make a good brother in law

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 02:46:37 No.5828611 Report

Quoted By: >>5828676

>>5828606
>tfw you have to kill all the cyclopes because they're cannibals and now your sister has no potential spouses AGAIN

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:I4fsiMqk Mon 13 Nov 2023 02:51:53 No.5828614 Report

Quoted By:

We're so back again.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/dr68oiammgsz44jh1avlw/h?rlkey=6cf6dew1p72rtbwifwvv13v5r&dl=0

I generated a bunch of new images using different ai art websites. Enjoy!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Mon 13 Nov 2023 03:59:11 No.5828676 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828611
>Nikandros starts traveling to different mythologies in search of a husband worthy of his sister

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 13 Nov 2023 04:10:14 No.5828694 Report

Quoted By: >>5828710 >>5828714

In the end, your need to ingratiate yourself with the Prince of Salamis wins out – in peerage, the man is your significant superior and normally, the difference in your respective stations would prevent easy contact between you - but the unusual nature of your travel within the diplomatic party gives you greater latitude to do so. Locating him is not challenging, even in the flickering torchlight of the camp – his size makes stealth an impossibility, and the crew can easily track his movements as a result.

You find him within the belly of his galley – taking stock of the hold’s provisions and resources, along with Andocides, the boatswain. As is polite, you simply stand at attention by the ladder of the hold until you are noticed. It’s several minutes before there is a natural conclusion in Ajax’s work, but you find it easy to wait patiently.

Prince Ajax is somewhat brusque, as usual, as he approaches you in the darkness under the galley’s foredeck, the moonlight streaming into the hold from above.

“Ah, Nikandros – just the man I was thinking of. Let us speak under the stars. Men of our size should not linger in the hold – bad for the neck.”

The pair of you settle onto opposing rowing benches - you can see him quite clearly with all-gleaming Selene shining down – a bearded bear of a man, of perhaps thirty-five or forty summers. Even in the darkness, the strength of his limbs are clearly discerned, as is the noble bearing of his face. You feel the old gnawing shameful inadequacy, as Ajax holds you in his regard – the same writhing feeling emerges if you consider the victory of the Epigoni at Thebes. Here is a man who has already proven his worth, and won fame and glory in battle against the Heraclidae, and this besides – he is the heir to one of Hellas’ most powerful kingdoms. You wait patiently for him to speak first – again, this is fair and orderly by the rules of Hellenic nobility.

“You have become friendly with Teukros.” Ajax states flatly – without emotion. The pronouncement catches you offguard – there is an awkward pause before you muster up a stuttering response:

“Y-yes, Lord Ajax – this is true. We have found friendship these past few weeks.” A strange look washes over Ajax’s face, as he frowns subtly – you guess that two or more emotions war within his mind, but you cannot ascertain further - so you simply wait for his next word, as his face smooths again in contemplation. Again, another long pause from his part – you wait patiently, with bright stars swimming overhead. He surprises you with an apparent non-sequitur:

“You will meet me tomorrow before dawn, on the sands below. Sleep well, Nikandros.” He stands abruptly and is gone within moments. A bewildering change in the conversation, and one you’re not sure how to interpret. You take Ajax's advice – sleep in your bunk comes easily to you, considering the events of the last days.

>cont

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 04:30:50 No.5828710 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828694
Fuck. Does he think we're fags or is he happy his little brother found a decent friend? I suppose we'll know if he hits us with a rock tomorrow.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 13 Nov 2023 04:36:30 No.5828714 Report

Quoted By: >>5828719 >>5828721 >>5828739 >>5828924

Rolled 17, 4, 19 + 12 = 52 (3d20 + 12)

>>5828694

Descending from the galley's bow ladder in the pre-dawn gloom of the next morning, you’re alarmed to find that Ajax has organized the delivery of two large ballast-stones from the holds– the crews that delivered them are still sweating breathlessly, seated in the damp sand of the beach. He greets you solemnly as you approach, but your eyes are drawn to the ballast-stones – they are large, smoothly round in shape, and of equal dimensions – they rise above your waist, but not as high as your chest. You already have a sinking sensation – Ajax means to test your strength, your resolve – perhaps both. The stones themselves are enormously heavy, but with their rounded shape, it should be possible for a man of great personal strength to drive them across the sands…

Ajax wordlessly signals to one of the Salaminians, and a rigging rope is drawn out perpendicular to the surf – by your guess, about 50 strides in length.

Ajax says to you simply –

“I wish to test your strength against mine, Nikandros. We will push the stones to the end of the rigging line. The first man to cross beyond the line is the victor.”

You have the unsettling sense that this is a mistake for you, but you don’t truly consider rejecting Ajax’s proposal – to decline would be tantamount to shameful and unmanly behavior. Following Ajax’s lead, you disrobe entirely – in the typical style of the athletic games, you are each unclothed.

Turning about, you are somewhat relieved to see that there are few spectators, given the early hour – only the small number of crewman who moved the stones to the beach. You don’t have much additional time to consider the implications of success or failure here – Ajax summons you to your stone, and each of you brace in preparation for the challenge. Ajax, in a show of good sportsmanship, waits for your nod before shouting “PUSH!” – and you each strain against your stone.

>Okay, /qst/ - I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+6 – this is a pure STR check.
>I’m rolling for Ajax – his natural STR bonus is +12 - yes, I am serious. Don’t be disheartened if Nikandros loses badly – Ajax is a phenomenal hardass and this is only “part 1”.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Mon 13 Nov 2023 04:38:33 No.5828719 Report

Quoted By: >>5828818 >>5828954

Rolled 18 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5828714
>Instant crit.
Im fucking glad this isnt gonna kill us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 04:39:29 No.5828721 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 10 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5828714
>Don’t be disheartened if Nikandros loses badly
>he says, rolling a fucking NINETEEN
Man you know you're just taunting us, right? Your super meter is already full man quit stylin' on us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AzT6wgHI Mon 13 Nov 2023 04:56:42 No.5828739 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 7 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5828714
I see dat's how it gon be gain.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yorBjBnq Mon 13 Nov 2023 05:18:49 No.5828756 Report

Quoted By:

I am also here

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:kkvTyIKt Mon 13 Nov 2023 06:27:44 No.5828818 Report

Quoted By: >>5828823

Hehe Ajax is such a softy inside

>>5828719
>24

Not bad for a rocky singer.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 06:33:24 No.5828823 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828818
He might be a huge ball of anger and unrestrained violence but he really does care about his little brother. He never lashes out at him, after all.

Makes me wonder what Ajax would say to Peleus if he'd started talking mad shit about Teukros like he did to us way back when.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nDGXIDw6 Mon 13 Nov 2023 07:33:42 No.5828875 Report

Quoted By: >>5828887

Our rolls aren't bad. We have a decent chance of winning the rockrolling contest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 07:49:15 No.5828887 Report

Quoted By: >>5828894

>>5828875
My guy his modifier is literally twice ours. Unless a bird shits in his eyes mid-roll he is going to walk us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nDGXIDw6 Mon 13 Nov 2023 07:56:15 No.5828894 Report

Quoted By: >>5828929

>>5828887
+12? I thought it was like +8. We're fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:17:05 No.5828924 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828714
Gods damn +12 is something i dont think we will be able to beat

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:44:08 No.5828929 Report

Quoted By: >>5828934 >>5828935

>>5828894

We’re getting a look at Ajax’s true strength here - he happens to have a negative trait that adds a significant -3 malus to all formal tournament/social encounter rolls.

In fact, almost all of the characters in the quest have a significant negative trait, but Nikandros will only learn about these IC ad they come up.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:50:20 No.5828934 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828929
>ajax basically has performance anxiety

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 09:51:23 No.5828935 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828929
>a significant -3 malus to all formal tournament/social encounter rolls.
huh, a -3 like what the autism trait would've given.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Mon 13 Nov 2023 11:27:20 No.5828954 Report

Quoted By:

>>5828719
"Another stunning failure !"

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 13 Nov 2023 13:39:51 No.5828999 Report

Quoted By: >>5829000 >>5829002 >>5829005 >>5829018 >>5829069

Rolled 15 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>31 vs 24
>it’s a failure, but a great performance from Nikon.

You strain against the stone, hands outstretched, bare feet digging into the damp sand like wooden stakes. At once, your muscles burn – but you are rewarded immediately with movement. The stone rolls – not quickly, but it rolls – and daring a glance to Ajax, you see he’s adopted an alternate technique. His broad back is against the stone, and he’s crouching low, using his legs as the primary drivers. With his hands, he lifts against the stone for additiona leverage. Without delay, you match his superior style.

You take the lead briefly – but Ajax is quick himself, and his pace is steady - you simply can't match it. You’ve only made it halfway down the rigging line before victory slips away, but you don’t give up – you continue to push with all of your power. While you push, you fall into the rhythm of the contest – drive with your back, pull up with your hands, step with your feet, breathe deeply, repeat. Above you, the gulls are amused with your efforts – they call out mocking jokes to their peers as they sail above you. To your east, the sky over the sea glows pink, orange and then yellow, as Eos Ἡμερα peers over the darkling Lesbian sea. In the end, Ajax is the clear victor, and has a minute to gather his breath before you arrive.

You barely have a chance to collect yourself – your divinely-infused flesh writhing and itching as it mends, before Ajax strides to you aggressively, bringing his face close to your own.

“You were slow, Nikandros.”

His tone is sharp – accusatory. You’re stunned – Ajax has never before addressed you in such a hostile manner. Before you can gather your breath to speak, he pushes hard against your chest, causing you to stumble against your stone, and continues with a vehement stream –

“Is this the performance that your father Hippomedon would have put forth? I doubt it – perhaps if he had been wise enough to survive Polynices’ war, he might have educated you properly in manful striving. You were slow. Tell me, Nikandros – is this the performance I can expect from you on the battlefield? A dawdling, self-pitying effort from a fatherless orphan? I had heard that Thessalian country breeds fierce men – but perhaps I have had heard wrong.”

Your blood boils at the mention of your father; your tongue swells and grows heavy in your throat. What is he driving at? You become even more furious at the implication that your father doomed himself through his own foolishness; your fists clench. What right does the man have to castigate you so?

Ajax’s invective continues as you reel – now, he has set about interrogating whether you are truly the son of Hippomedon, or perhaps simply the son of a deceitful whore –

>what the fuck, /qst/, Ajax is being a total dickhead!
>give me THREE rolls of dice+1d20 to see if Nikandros can stay cool while Ajax calls his mom a hooker.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 13 Nov 2023 13:41:02 No.5829000 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 13, 4 + 1 = 18 (2d20 + 1)

>>5828999

Oops I meant to roll a 3d20 - here's the other two rolls for Ajax's CHA attempt.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 13:47:07 No.5829002 Report

Quoted By: >>5829020 >>5829138

Rolled 20 (1d20)

>>5828999
Think of rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 13 Nov 2023 13:51:32 No.5829005 Report

Quoted By: >>5829020

Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>5828999

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tiHqiYTL Mon 13 Nov 2023 14:14:53 No.5829018 Report

Quoted By: >>5829020

Rolled 19 (1d20)

>>5828999
We already got a 20.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 13 Nov 2023 14:19:35 No.5829020 Report

Quoted By: >>5829135 >>5829138

>>5829002
>>5829005
>>5829018

>20 vs 16
>Nikon is pissed but generally keeps his cool, congrats
>this was the more important contest, FYI

Well done, anons. Next update will be somewhere between 1-3pm EST.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Mon 13 Nov 2023 15:53:38 No.5829069 Report

Quoted By: >>5829089

>Trojan War Quest is back
And all is right in /qst/
>>5828999
Ajax, what the hell man. Not cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AzT6wgHI Mon 13 Nov 2023 16:22:56 No.5829089 Report

Quoted By: >>5829111

>>5829069
I would put money on him deliberately being like this to either fire us up in anger so we put our back into it like a drill instructor or just testing our our ability to stay cool in a fight.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ry4qYXzJ Mon 13 Nov 2023 16:42:56 No.5829111 Report

Quoted By:

>>5829089
Niko is 100% getting tested one way or another right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 13 Nov 2023 17:07:28 No.5829135 Report

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>>5829020
i feel like Ajax line of thought is like, if this guy is friend with Teukros he can be my friend too.

but he's trying to speedrun the friendship process like an autist with a bunch of tests to find out if Nikon would prove a real friend or a casual friendly acquaintance.

also i was rockposting on /tg and credited this quest when i had the intrusive thought to check if it restarted and here you were.

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Anonymous ID:kkvTyIKt Mon 13 Nov 2023 17:19:14 No.5829138 Report

Quoted By: >>5829183

>>5829002
>>5829020
Nikandros unironically went full stoic as if he had a YouTube video marathon

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 18:18:19 No.5829183 Report

Quoted By:

>>5829138
>"You fucking beta male Nikandros!"
>meanwhile in nikon's mind: "Damn, I probably could have rolled that rock faster if I put more shoulder in it instead."

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:02:24 No.5829220 Report

Quoted By: >>5829227 >>5829230 >>5829251

>20 vs 16 – success but Nikon is still pretty heated

The Prince of Salamis continues his slandering, and your heart thunders –you can’t help it - your face reddens and contorts in anger. You clamp your jaw shut before you can begin hurling insults of your own, and you only barely suppress the urge to crash your right fist into his face. Instead, with your back to your stone – you place a hand on his chest and in a controlled fashion, apply pressure to put distance between you. It’s not quite a push – more of a prying-apart, as you stand on your own power. Ajax allows himself to be maneuvered, even as he moves on to insult you of general vagrancy and indigency. The man has insulted your heritage, your parents, your upbringing, your homeland and your financial status – and in a flash of insight, you know why.

The man is testing you.

Ajax stops his harangue mid-sentence, noticing your thoughtful expression. He brings his hands high in a placating gesture.

“’Forgive me of my unkind words, Nikandros – they are not my true thoughts. A man’s temper is like that of a champion bull – for some men, the bull is wild, uncontrollable – it drags them from place to place, in and out of chaos as it sees fit. For other men, they are able to yoke the bull, and with goad and stick, they direct the bull to plow their fields, and provide substance to their household.”

Ajax nods at you as he finishes his short explanation – “I wanted to see what type of man you are, Nikandros.” You’re still angry, but you manage a tightly-controlled nod of your own, your lips compressed in a line. Ajax continues thoughtfully –

“I can be many things to Teukros – brother, protector, and perhaps, one day, his king. But there are some things I will never be for him.” Ajax's eyebrows lower - the barest shadow of sorrow stealing across his features.Your mind supplies the words that Ajax cannot say aloud – not to a man of your lowly noble status.

Equal. Friend. Companion.

“Treat my brother well, Nikandros,” Ajax speaks, “and you will have his loyalty forever.” The Salaminian meets your gaze with eyes of granite; his bearded face unmerciful. He grips your shoulder with his right hand, applying heavy pressure. Again, your mind supplies you with words Ajax leaves unsaid - the wellbeing of Teukros is YOUR wellbeing, Thessalian.

You cough slightly, and reply - "Yes, Lord Ajax - I understand." Ajax's expression does not change, but you sense that he is pleased that you have understood him.

And with that, he claps you on the shoulder, and waves to the crewmen by the boats. “Let the crew take stones back to the holds – rest from this morning' exertions and prepare yourself for voyage.”

>cont

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:08:59 No.5829227 Report

Quoted By: >>5829235 >>5829452

>>5829220
Don't worry Ajax, Teukros is a bro.
And hopefully one day he will be a brother in law for real.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+PvQEeUS Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:10:30 No.5829230 Report

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>>5829220
Welp looks like we managed. Hell this has probably put us inAjax's good graces as well, for the time being anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:15:36 No.5829235 Report

Quoted By: >>5829236

>>5829227
>Nikandros lies that Ajax's final words were a plea for Teukros to fuck Deianira and continue the Hippomedion bloodline

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:20:37 No.5829236 Report

Quoted By: >>5829237

>>5829235
Hey woah slow down buckaroo, we're not letting him die. Ajax WILL be king of Salamis.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:22:00 No.5829237 Report

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>>5829236
>But Nikandros I am still alive. I am right here, I heard you say that
>Sometimes I can still hear his voice on the wind

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:32:47 No.5829244 Report

Quoted By: >>5829247 >>5829249 >>5829253 >>5829258 >>5829261 >>5829270 >>5829273 >>5829276 >>5829280 >>5829283

Of course, you later share the events of the morning with Teukros himself before you set out at sea - and he apologizes on his elder brother's behalf.

"You must forgive him, Nikandros - it is how my father Telamon raised him. No sacrifice was too great, no burden too heavy. If Telamon asked Ajax to lasso the chariot of Helios and crash it into Mount Olympus, Ajax would set off to ambush Hyperionides as he rises out of the waters of the East. Ajax expects the same of others. In a way - it is a good thing that he tests you so.”

“Perhaps so, Teukros – you know your brother far better than I.”

"You should be happy, Nikandros - to be frank, I'm surprised that you haven't gotten along with him better. You have the same complete absence of humor..."

>Given that Ilion approaches, it seems fair to offer Nikandros a chance to change boats if he desires. This will be the last opportunity for Nikon to change vessels before the Ilion Council arc. This vote will be short and will end at 9pm EST tonight. Once we determine which boat we're on, we can address the next change.

>Continue on to Ilion aboard Ajax’s vessel, which currently holds Ajax, Teurkos, Castor, Pollux and Nikandros.

>Change to Menelaus’ vessel, which holds Menelaus, Odysseus and Palamedes.

---

Travel out of the Lesbian waters is reasonably swift – it is decided that the galleys will sail along the coast of the Troad, and work their way north, then west, and then north again across the coastline. For your past - you're happy to put Lesbos, Mytilene and the bizarre episode with King Philomeides behind you - all things considered, you sourly consider that you might have preferred your time on Lebinthos, although it is true that you enjoyed losing your virginity to an attractive woman.

At any rate, your vessels will soon pass the port cities of Antandrus and Assus; with luck, no foreign navy will seek to interdict your group as you row north. Some men might risk travel due north from Lesbos in an attempt to reach Tenedos directly and so avoid contact with local navies, but as you learn from Andocides, as one approaches the Dardanelles, the risk of sudden and fierce northerly winds increases – an unexpected gust to an unprepared vessel could risk capsizing. A risky gamble at best, and your party is not yet so desperate for speed as to gamble with this approach.

As your ship begins to beat north against the current and winds, you note with interest that there are significantly more trading vessels present at sea - you see hundreds of varied vessels flit south, borne along by the pleasant cousins of the Etesians, heavy with goods from Ilion, the coasts of Propontis or perhaps even the Euxine Sea beyond. You keep your eyes to the sky and sea as the morning rolls along - with the summer passing you by, all aboard are becoming aware of the time spent. Stormy autumn is rapidly approaching...

>someone roll me a dice+1d20 for naval progress!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:35:58 No.5829247 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 10 (1d20)

>>5829244
>Continue on to Ilion aboard Ajax’s vessel, which currently holds Ajax, Teurkos, Castor, Pollux and Nikandros.

All our homies are here

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:+PvQEeUS Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:40:06 No.5829249 Report

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Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>5829244
>Inb6 Nat 1

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:41:43 No.5829251 Report

Quoted By: >>5829281

>>5829220
>Let the crew take stones back to the holds – rest from this morning' exertions and prepare yourself for voyage

woah there slow down bro, i rolled it here and now it's mine, this is my rock and i think i'll keep it thank you very much.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:43:12 No.5829253 Report

Quoted By:

>>5829244
>Continue on to Ilion aboard Ajax’s vessel, which currently holds Ajax, Teurkos, Castor, Pollux and Nikandros.
Odysseus scares me. Got that real psycho energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nDGXIDw6 Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:48:26 No.5829258 Report

Quoted By:

>>5829244
>>Continue on to Ilion aboard Ajax’s vessel, which currently holds Ajax, Teurkos, Castor, Pollux and Nikandros.
Deepen our bonds. Also, stay away from Odysseus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 19:50:49 No.5829261 Report

Quoted By:

>>5829244
>>Continue on to Ilion aboard Ajax’s vessel, which currently holds Ajax, Teurkos, Castor, Pollux and Nikandros.
We were never going to out-schmooze Odysseus anyway. Better to stick with the rest and have this whole boat amenable to us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:05:50 No.5829270 Report

Quoted By:

>>5829244
>Change to Menelaus’ vessel, which holds Menelaus, Odysseus and Palamedes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:09:43 No.5829273 Report

Quoted By:

>>5829244
>Continue on to Ilion aboard Ajax’s vessel, which currently holds Ajax, Teurkos, Castor, Pollux and Nikandros.
Screw that faggot Menelaus

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:10:43 No.5829276 Report

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>>5829244
>Change to Menelaus’ vessel, which holds Menelaus, Odysseus and Palamedes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:14:31 No.5829280 Report

Quoted By: >>5829282

>>5829244
>Continue on to Ilion aboard Ajax’s vessel, which currently holds Ajax, Teurkos, Castor, Pollux and Nikandros.

There’s nothing good on the other ship, lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kkvTyIKt Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:14:43 No.5829281 Report

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>>5829251
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:17:57 No.5829282 Report

Quoted By: >>5829284

>>5829280
>There’s nothing good on the other ship, lmao.
That's not true. Palamedes knows how to read. That is the SINGLE good thing on the other ship. The fact that one person aboard is literate.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:18:50 No.5829283 Report

Quoted By: >>5829289

>>5829244
>>Continue on to Ilion aboard Ajax’s vessel, which currently holds Ajax, Teurkos, Castor, Pollux and Nikandros.
Yeah not changing gang.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:19:57 No.5829284 Report

Quoted By: >>5829286 >>5829289

>>5829282
True.
He would be the only reason for be there. He looks like a decent guy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:21:48 No.5829286 Report

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>>5829284
He's a snobby, weedy prick who despite all of his brains was dumb enough to get into a pissing contest with Odysseus. So basically he's probably better than half of the nobles out there kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kkvTyIKt Mon 13 Nov 2023 20:26:57 No.5829289 Report

Quoted By:

>>5829284
>>5829283
He rejected our offer to ride on our shoulders to Troy, he is barely better that Odysseus.

Also, Memelaus could use his aura of stupidity skill to make us roll 1s all day

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Mon 13 Nov 2023 22:57:46 No.5829440 Report

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>>5827938
Its back! Making an anchor post while reading up!

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Anonymous ID:kkvTyIKt Mon 13 Nov 2023 23:19:15 No.5829452 Report

Quoted By: >>5829453

>>5829227

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Anonymous ID:yorBjBnq Mon 13 Nov 2023 23:22:12 No.5829453 Report

Quoted By: >>5829454

>>5829452
But are we sure he will breed correctly? Offer his sword a place in Nikon's sheath, y'know, to test him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 13 Nov 2023 23:26:44 No.5829454 Report

Quoted By: >>5829462

>>5829453
That doesn't prove anything. Men can't get pregnant. He needs to knock Nira up. It is the ONLY way. Here we'll conquer all of the land between our estate and the nearest coast to Salamis so he can make the trip more easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kkvTyIKt Mon 13 Nov 2023 23:44:53 No.5829462 Report

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>>5829454
>Be royalty from the late Bronze Age, enjoying a lazy saturday evening watching your city from the balcony of your palace.
>Out of nowhere, some lunatic giant carring a archer on his shoulders break the east gates down, stomping anything in his way to the west door, kicking it apart and fucking off into the sunset.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 02:45:14 No.5829660 Report

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The next three days of the journey are monotonous, as the galleys sweep slowly north into the Gulf of Adramyttium, and then west. The winds are typical for midsummer – which is to say, they are constantly blowing northerly and against the efforts of the crews, necessitating that the galleys keep their sails lowered and packed. Rowing your way north to the southern edge of the Troad takes the better part of two days, but the pace accelerates once your crews are able to sail west along the coastline towards the city of Antandrus. The sloping ascent of Mount Ida looms in the distance off to the north, and the peak of the mountain, known as Gargarus, is clearly visible. It is no doubt the highest point in the Troad – you itch to summit it, even standing aboard the Salaminian galley.

As you pass by Antandrus, the Salaminian crew becomes nervous – the denizens of this city are known as the Leleges, you learn from them, and you assemble from the wild rumors flying about the decks that these people, neither of Luwian or Hellenic ancestry, are standoffish, warlike and prone to attacking passing vessels. Some of the wilder tales involve ritual sacrifice and cannibalism, but you’re not so naive as to believe such lurid tales from a naval crew. However, you inquire about them with Pollux and Castor, and Pollux is quick to poke fun at you:

“Nikandros, I may be old and wise, but I hardly know of every tribe along the Anatolian coast. Aboard the Argo, we missed the southern Troad entirely on the way to Euxine Sea…But now that I think of it – I recollect that Andrastus is a Lelegian colony – sent by King Altes of Mysia some decades past, although who rules in Andrastus, I cannot say. Altes was the father of Ancaeus, the Samian Argonaut I had mentioned to you before – funny that we've spoken of him twice recently. As for the Lelegians – it is said that they were present here in the Aegean long before the Hellenes.”

You thank Pollux for his wisdom and he brushes your gratitude aside, saying only – “Even Argonauts can grow bored at sea, Nikandros. Meet me on the sands when we next have the chance and we can find some excitement!”

---

Despite the anxieties of the crew, Ajax and Menelaus determine that the ships should be hidden and nestled along the Andrastian coastline well before twilight falls on the third day of travel from Lesbos. The ships are tugged between two sheer hills – your strength is greatly appreciated by the Salaminians as you assist Ajax, each of you doing the work of a team of lesser men.

The night watch is a tense affair – no torches or campfires are permitted, and an extensive network of sentries are posted atop the nearest hills. Nearly half the crews are assigned to this duty, but you’re repeatedly assured that such precautions are wise – this part of the Troad has many shallow valleys and steep hills, and platoons of spearmen can stumble into one another unaware without diligent efforts.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:13:40 No.5829690 Report

Quoted By: >>5829692 >>5829693 >>5829697 >>5829699 >>5829703 >>5829706 >>5829710 >>5829711 >>5829713 >>5829753 >>5829812 >>5829888 >>5829896 >>5829913 >>5829923 >>5829961 >>5829967 >>5830004

You are not selected for night watch, thankfully – you take the opportunity to rest as well as you can. The paranoia of the crew does unsettle you, although you are loath to admit it to yourself – you carefully position your bronze next to your bunk, such that you could rapidly don it in the night, if need be.

All for nothing – morning comes without a Lelegian raid.

As you disembark the ship for breakfast, there is an outcry – the goats selected for slaughter that morning show signs of disease within their offal. None amongst the diplomatic party are seers trained in the interpretation of such things, but it’s well known that this is a poor omen. Beyond the prophetic implications, consumption of such tainted meat is unwise and is furthermore quickly forbidden by Ajax and Menelaus. The tainted beasts are burned to prevent temptation amongst the hungry crews. Worse, the holds are rather light for supplies of meat – Philomeides’ poor hospitality and the hurried departure from Lesbos meant that the typical resupplies had not been obtained.

Menelaus is quick to assemble a solution, gathering the nobility of the diplomatic party together by the side of the Spartan vessel – you miss the first part of the discussion, but you catch Pollux in mid-sentence as you approach –

“- are cattle nearby, Menelaus. I saw fresh sign last night atop the northeastern hilltop. And I have reason to believe that there are goats as well – even the rocky hillsides have been denuded, and cattle aren’t prone to climbing for their meals. Send out four parties of two to see if we might be able to find the herds!”

There’s little debate – beyond hunger, you suspect that all present are eager to spend some time on land, and out of the cramped conditions of the galleys, even in the (potentially) hostile territory of the Lelegians.

Menelaus specifies further - “One archer and one spearman per scouting team. Drive what you can back to the ships, but don’t linger – I won’t come back for a detained team. If you see an armed party of Lelegians, flee back to the ships. And you, Ajax – you are best suited to defend the ships while we’re ranging.” Everyone laughs, even yourself – but you know that Menelaus is not joking.

You take quick stock of those present - you are clearly considered a spearman, given your lack of expertise with the bow. Which archer will you partner with for livestock scouting?

>This vote will close tomorrow at 12pm EST - thanks for bearing with my autism regarding LBA demographics of the Troad. Seems Homeric to pay attention to such things.

>Castor

>Teukros

>Odysseus

>Palamedes

>Alternately, request to stay at the ships with Ajax.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:16:21 No.5829692 Report

Quoted By: >>5829710 >>5830019

>>5829690
>>Odysseus
There is bound to be something here, otherwise Nikon would discard it as an option entirely. Perhaps he may give something away, overly intelligent men tend to treat those they consider beneath them as "too stupid" to pick up on their slip-ups.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:16:24 No.5829693 Report

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>>5829690
>Odysseus

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:18:01 No.5829697 Report

Quoted By: >>5829962

>>5829690
>Teukros

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:19:21 No.5829699 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>>Teukros
We're not built for stealth, but on the other hand, we could literally carry a cow on our back if we had to. I am tempted to remain with the ships.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:20:26 No.5829703 Report

Quoted By: >>5829961

>>5829690
>Teukros

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:21:36 No.5829706 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>Teukros

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:P5bGlM3d Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:34:58 No.5829710 Report

Quoted By: >>5829714 >>5830019 >>5831035

>>5829690
>Teukros
me from >>5828008
>>5829692
On the other hand, he's already tried to pry something out of us and I'm 80% sure he suspects something.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:36:56 No.5829711 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>Palamedes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:41:15 No.5829713 Report

Quoted By: >>5829869 >>5829878 >>5830019

>>5829690
>Teukros

We need to bond more with Teukros (future brother in law).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:42:45 No.5829714 Report

Quoted By: >>5829719

>>5829710
I'm 100% sure. I think he probably suspects the wrong thing, but he suspects something. My guess is that he thinks we have a special mission from Agamemnon, which is not really true though we are here at his behest. But given how he was digging on that chariot ride, dude definitely thinks there's more to us being here than "I was asked to come.".

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Tue 14 Nov 2023 03:52:26 No.5829719 Report

Quoted By: >>5829729

>>5829714
Maybe he thinks we're a gorilla someone put armor onto and taught how to sing

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 04:06:56 No.5829729 Report

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>>5829719
He knows too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Tue 14 Nov 2023 04:39:03 No.5829753 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>Teukros

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Anonymous ID:I4fsiMqk Tue 14 Nov 2023 05:51:36 No.5829812 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019 >>5830202

>>5829690
>Palamedes

I'm curious to see what Palamedes has to say to us, if anything.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 13:27:22 No.5829869 Report

Quoted By: >>5829925 >>5829960 >>5829999

Looks like a clear consensus for Teukie so far - friendly reminder that the vote closes at 12pm EST today, so lurkers, chime in now!

>>5829713

As an FYI, Nikandros has actually already maxed out the first respect/regard meter (the hidden interpersonal stats I use for crunch purposes) with Teukros at this point in the quest. You guys have pretty successfully friendmaxxed with him.

At this point in time, a “major” act of friendship or loyalty is needed to break into the (currently locked) second half of Teukie’s respect/regard meter. And yes, each major plot character DOES have hidden side-quests. However it’s likely that Nikandros might only find 1-3 of these over the the course of TWQ, just based on the system I’ve created.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 14:11:37 No.5829878 Report

Quoted By:

Seems like Teukros is the clear front runner. Friendly reminder that this vote will close at 12pm EST.

>>5829713

Actually Nikandros has already maxed out the first half of his respect/regard meter with Teukros and therefore further progress will require a significant act of friendship/loyalty/solidarity to unlock the second half of the relationship. Yes, I do have secret side missions planned for each of the characters that are unlocked by relationship level.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Tue 14 Nov 2023 14:29:46 No.5829888 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>Palamedes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Tue 14 Nov 2023 14:47:05 No.5829896 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>Castor

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Tue 14 Nov 2023 15:10:47 No.5829913 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>>Palamedes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Tue 14 Nov 2023 15:26:56 No.5829923 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>>Palamedes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kkvTyIKt Tue 14 Nov 2023 15:33:27 No.5829925 Report

Quoted By: >>5829948 >>5830265

>>5829869
>And yes, each major plot character DOES have hidden side-quests. However it’s likely that Nikandros might only find 1-3 of these over the the course of TWQ, just based on the system I’ve created.

This will feel like a souls-born game the more we go man, I just know it.

>We know jackshit about the war, just what we can gather talking with others
>The world is full of monsters and you have to be careful to not die because some bullshit
>All the NPCs are retarded in some way
>While there is a war going on, behind it is a shadow war among the lowly humans, AND behind that there is a shadow war among the gods.
>In the end, we will have a fight with some old man

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:P5bGlM3d Tue 14 Nov 2023 15:57:13 No.5829948 Report

Quoted By: >>5829950

>>5829925
>Swamp run on Delos
>Tiny HP pools for everyone
>Setting is in its iron age
>Electra's feet update

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kkvTyIKt Tue 14 Nov 2023 16:01:07 No.5829950 Report

Quoted By: >>5830265

>>5829948
Was Electra barefoot when we meet?

I'm going to assume so

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Tue 14 Nov 2023 16:09:02 No.5829960 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829869
I'll switch to palamedes then

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 14 Nov 2023 16:12:12 No.5829961 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>>5829703
Gonna switch my vote
>Palamedes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Tue 14 Nov 2023 16:13:07 No.5829962 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829697
I'll switch to Palamedes as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Tue 14 Nov 2023 16:23:36 No.5829967 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>Castor

if there's any who knows herd rustling it's the twins and we might get to learn something new

also fuck palamedes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Tue 14 Nov 2023 17:18:09 No.5829999 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829869
I'll switch to Castor then.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Tue 14 Nov 2023 17:27:41 No.5830004 Report

Quoted By: >>5830019

>>5829690
>Castor

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 17:44:31 No.5830019 Report

Quoted By: >>5830021 >>5830022 >>5830028

Final Tally

Odysseus

>>5829692

Teukros

>>5829699
>>5829706
>>5829710
>>5829713
>>5829753

Palamedes

>>5829711
>>5829812
>>5829888
>>5829913
>>5829923
>>5829960
>>5829961
>>5829962

Castor

>>5829896
>>5829967
>>5829999 (but you've missed the 12pm EST cutoff, sorry anon)
>>5830004 (but you've missed the 12pm EST cutoff, sorry anon)

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Looks like a clear consensus for Palamedes! We've haven't seen him for a while so this should be interesting to write.

Okay, now for rolls. I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20 for encounter purposes. Don't worry too much about the numbers, high doesn't necessarily mean better for these.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Tue 14 Nov 2023 17:47:37 No.5830021 Report

Quoted By: >>5830039 >>5830046 >>5830069 >>5830127

Rolled 8 (1d20)

>>5830019

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Tue 14 Nov 2023 17:48:12 No.5830022 Report

Quoted By: >>5830039 >>5830046 >>5830069 >>5830127

Rolled 8 (1d20)

>>5830019

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Tue 14 Nov 2023 17:55:26 No.5830028 Report

Quoted By: >>5830039 >>5830046

Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>5830019
In case you need different numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Tue 14 Nov 2023 18:03:34 No.5830039 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830021
>>5830022
>>5830028
This is fucking spooky ngl

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 18:07:41 No.5830046 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830021
>>5830022
>>5830028
>dubs followed by a sum of
What in the goddamn

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 18:32:02 No.5830069 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830021
>>5830022

Thank gents. I hope to have the update out before 4pm EST.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Tue 14 Nov 2023 19:40:54 No.5830127 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830021
>>5830022
KHORNE BEGONE

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 19:47:35 No.5830136 Report

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You make the logical choice, and approach Palamedes – he looks at you in surprise, but assents to your companionship without complaint or obvious distaste. You can’t help but notice Odysseus watching the pair of you out of the corner of his eye, even as he invites Teukros to join himself and Menelaus, saying –

“Three teams are well enough, Menelaus – don’t send the boy out alone!” Teukros accepts the offer of the Ithakan king with good grace, and already Odysseus is charmingly pressing the boy to display his near-divine ability with the bow. The Dioscuri, of course, are quick to declare their intentions to stick together.

The Nauplian prince stands beside you a bit awkwardly, as you await further instruction from Menelaus – he looks weary after his time at sea; his eyes hooded and shadowed, his small beard scragglier than typical. You do catch him staring at you in contemplation, but before you can make further conversation, your team is directed to proceed due west. The Dioscuri are to make for the northeast – once Pollux has the scent of cattle in his nose, he can hardly be restrained. As for Menelaus, Odysseus and Teukros, they intend to head east - Menelaus apparently feeling confident to penetrate Lelegian territory with Teukros’ fearsome bow at his side. It's a matter of moments for yourself and Palamedes to return to your ships and don your panoplia.

Once you are out of earshot of the group, and tramping through the Troad countryside, you make conversation with Palamedes as best as you can – he pretends not to hear you, at first.

“Prince Palamedes – how does Menelaus consider of the council meeting ahead? What is his position?” After some minutes of pressing (you’re eager for details, although you fear the worst) – Palamedes relents, as you look for sign of livestock across the fields and hills of the Troad.

“I can see that you will not relent until you are satisfied, Nikandros. In brief, Menelaus does not heed my advice – or even hear when I speak. His ears are stuffed full of Odysseus’ winged words; Laertides will say or do anything to ensure his leisure at home in Ithaka. Menelaus is prepared to hand over his own dignity and the respect of the House of Atreus, for the return of Helen. Worse – Odysseus has convinced the man that should Priam be unwilling to relinquish Helen, he should sacrifice the peace of Hellas and allow himself to be bought off with several of the most beautiful of Priam’s daughters and a substantial fraction of Priam’s treasure vaults.”

Your heart sinks at the news – but how could you have expected any different? Even should there be smaller scale conflict between Hellenes, nothing would rival the the scope of a potential conflict between Mycenae and Ilion. If Odysseus has his way, you will be consigned to ignominy forever. Palamedes’ words from your initial meeting ring in your ears at the thought:

“You’re a dead end.”.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 20:10:16 No.5830152 Report

Quoted By: >>5830162 >>5830184 >>5830187 >>5830202 >>5830244 >>5830246 >>5830265 >>5830308 >>5830326 >>5830390 >>5830396 >>5830415 >>5830419

This will be your legacy is Odysseus has his way.

You consider Palamedes’ words more carefully – that Menelaus would “sacrifice the peace of Hellas”. You open your mouth to inquire further, but your military mind provides the answer you seek: if Helen is not returned to Sparta, the Oath of Tyndareus becomes null and void, and the treaty that has restrained armed conflict between the major powers of Hellas vanishes – it would only be a matter of time before Hellas descends into anarchy and the civil strife of a thousand wars, both large and small. As atrocity leads to vengeance and retribution, the cycle of bloodshed would spin out of control.

Palamedes seems to lose some internal battle himself, interrupting your musings and asking you of your doings on the Salaminian vessel. You see no reason to lie and explain that you have become quite friendly with Teukros, and with Pollux as well.

“Yes, that has become clear to all as well, Nikandros. I suppose that I am not surprised that you would seek their company after our discussion in Mycenae…” He trails off abruptly, lost in thought - humming absentmindedly, he stumbles over the underbrush with his eyes on the sky.

“Look there!” you exclaim – pointing out the clear markings of a troupe of goats upon the soft earth of the hillside, besides bushes stripped of their leafy crowns. By the appearance of the goatspoor, the trail is only a day old – you suspect that there’s a small group of ten or so nearby. Palamedes peers at the same trail, but he apparently is not educated in tracking like yourself – as a Nauplian, no doubt his education focused on the sea, waves, and wind rather than tracking beasts through the hills. Nonetheless, he is willing to take your lead, and brings his bow to bear. As you set off in pursuit, you consider the wisdom of re-opening your discussion with Palamedes – he had previously declined to work with you in concert to spoil the diplomatic talks with Ilion, before you had put out to sea weeks ago, but perhaps he would reconsider?

>Well, /qst/? Will Nikandros take another chance at persuading Palamedes to align with him? Please note that Nikandros failed his first diplomance attempt by a huge margin (3+ degrees of failure), and so this will result in a -5 roll malus. A smart write-in might partially mitigate this malus.

>Yes, attempt to persuade Palamedes to align with you. You have a better grasp of the politics, and more importantly, you have successfully aligned yourself with Teukros. You may be able to leverage this new friendship in your persuasion attempt with Palamedes.

>No, do not discuss further with Palamedes. Perhaps it would be better to leave this alliance dormant – any conspiracy grows unwieldy as the number of conspirators grows – and Odysseus is lurking. Furthermore, it occurs to you that angering Palamedes carries its own risks - he is an intelligent man in his own right and no doubt developing his own schemes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 20:23:30 No.5830162 Report

Quoted By: >>5830202 >>5830265 >>5830596

>>5830152
>>No, do not discuss further with Palamedes. Perhaps it would be better to leave this alliance dormant – any conspiracy grows unwieldy as the number of conspirators grows – and Odysseus is lurking. Furthermore, it occurs to you that angering Palamedes carries its own risks - he is an intelligent man in his own right and no doubt developing his own schemes.
Though I suggest we muse openly on why Odysseus would shy away from war, when he so clearly enjoys gaining glory and the spotlight, indeed he draws it upon himself with great vigor at every opportunity. Perhaps he would seek to take the lands of his neighbors in the resultant discord.

I just want to get Palamedes to start talking mad shit about the Ithacan king. And sow the seed of doubt about the safety of Euboea should the Oath fall apart. Though he is literally on the opposite side of the place from Odysseus' island. I don't think Palamedes knows about the prophecy leading to the Odyssey so not trying to tease that out of him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LVIHbptq Tue 14 Nov 2023 20:39:48 No.5830176 Report

Quoted By: >>5830183

We are surrounded by narcissistic assholes in a perpetual one upsmanship contest who have never heard the word no in their entire lives and their response to even the slightest hesitance of complete agreement is to have a childish breakdown of murderous proportions. I sincerely hope we maintain our position of the most humble sociopathic narcissist in perpetuity.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 20:46:18 No.5830183 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830176
>normal nobility of the era: I AM the best REEEEE
>nikandros: I WANT to be the best
Truly our humility would impress the gods themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Tue 14 Nov 2023 20:46:26 No.5830184 Report

Quoted By: >>5830265 >>5830596

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Tue 14 Nov 2023 20:48:35 No.5830187 Report

Quoted By: >>5830596

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RIKjbCrk Tue 14 Nov 2023 21:10:02 No.5830202 Report

Quoted By: >>5830261 >>5830289 >>5830596

>>5829812
Phone posting at work.
>>5830152
>>5830162
Support. I don't know if we'll get any opportunity to build a rapport with Palamedes in the future, but as it stands, I don't trust our chances at diplomacy with him. It would be good if we could figure out what his interests are in all of this without explicitly showing our hand in the event he tries to throw us under the bus, and then if we get a better relationship we can try to join forces if there's time. I wonder if that's his main concern -- the stability of Hellas. I feel like we have good reason to be worried about that as well since civil strife in Greece would make our own modest holdings far more vulnerable.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 14 Nov 2023 21:52:55 No.5830244 Report

Quoted By: >>5830596

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Tue 14 Nov 2023 21:55:32 No.5830246 Report

Quoted By: >>5830250 >>5830596

>>5830152
>No, do not discuss further with Palamedes. Perhaps it would be better to leave this alliance dormant – any conspiracy grows unwieldy as the number of conspirators grows – and Odysseus is lurking. Furthermore, it occurs to you that angering Palamedes carries its own risks - he is an intelligent man in his own right and no doubt developing his own schemes.

more than aligning with him i feel we might make it known we realized the consequences of the pact failing for the Greek world.

i think turning this outing into a shit-talking session towards Odysseus is going to be best,
he gets to know Odysseus cheats and has the divine in his pocket
(if he doesn't already)
and that we don't like him.
hmm...
if we chose Teukros and menelaus came with us
and the dioscuri paired up

what were the chances Odysseus would have tried to kill palamedes?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 21:57:07 No.5830250 Report

Quoted By: >>5830263 >>5830271

Rolled 95 (1d100)

>>5830246
>what were the chances Odysseus would have tried to kill palamedes?
Percent out of 100, let's see.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:vfwg4unx Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:00:39 No.5830254 Report

Quoted By: >>5830271 >>5830359

Wonder what Nokandros' FATE counterpart would look like, and what their class would be

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:04:16 No.5830261 Report

Quoted By: >>5830272 >>5830283

This vote will close at 9pm EST btw - short window but I’m hoping to get to the meat and potatoes of this module ASAP.

>>5830202

Nikandros already knows in-character that Palamedes is interested in political stability and a strong house of Atreus from their initial chat. Palamedes also knows that Nikandros wants eternal fame and glory, NOT necessarily the stability of the house of Atreus. So the goals of the two men are not quite in alignment.

In general, Nikon is from the rural part of Greece with a pretty tenuous connection to Mycenae - Nikon is much more closely aligned with Peleus and Achilles given that these men are his “local lords”.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:05:22 No.5830263 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830250

>95

The dice are truthtellers per usual

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:06:16 No.5830265 Report

Quoted By: >>5830280 >>5830596

>>5829925
>>5829950
This is me

>>5830152
>>5830162
This is smart

>>5830184
>Menelaus somehow keeps managing to become shittier by the second.

Literally "don't try to meet any hero, you'll be disappointed." At least Teukros and Ajax are acceptable, even if one is a loner and another is autistic

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:09:45 No.5830271 Report

Quoted By: >>5830272

Rolled 12, 92 = 104 (2d100)

>>5830250
Holy shit, that was close Palanerd

Will Odickseus try to kill or seduce Teukros?

>>5830254
A shota

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:10:33 No.5830272 Report

Quoted By: >>5830307

>>5830261
I feel like Palamedes is smart enough to know that Nikon is smart enough to realize a huge "civil" war is bad news since he's a small fry on the edge of barbaroi lands and the implications of such disunity in the civilized world presents to his home and position. Regardless of the possibilities it also presents.

This is like, 7d chess with the biggest nerd in the world. How far can we trust his intellect to carry him, when he's also dumb enough to let his guard down around Odysseus? Though, I guess that isn't fair since Odysseus can talk his way out of ANYTHING.

>>5830271
Thank the gods Odysseus isn't actually gay. Whew.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:18:13 No.5830280 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830265
I for one can't wait to meet Nestor and in between bouts of him being senile as fuck and retelling a ten hour story seeing his truly uncanny military mind at work. Like listening to grandpa tell you about his childhood before hitting you with some of the most insightful shit you'll hear for decades before asking where he put his reading glasses that he is currently wearing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:67RjrZSr Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:20:25 No.5830283 Report

Quoted By: >>5830289 >>5830307

>>5830261
I should have remembered that considering I've been here from the beginning, but still I think there's plenty of common cause between us in terms of wanting to prevent war between the Greeks at home. Even if we want the same thing for different reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:67RjrZSr Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:22:04 No.5830289 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830283
>>5830202
Not sure why my ID changed, but this is still me.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:38:46 No.5830307 Report

Quoted By: >>5830309

>>5830272
>>5830283

It’s more that Palamedes isn’t sure whether you are actually competent and reliable, or just a jobber who managed to get lucky with the Achilles thing and fall in with the big boys.

From his perspective, you’re a no-name from some backwater, you found Achilles, but even so, maybe you’re a one-hit wonder. Don’t forget he would have heard when Nikon got absolutely BTFO by Diomedes.

However, vice-versa - Nikon has also mostly avoided outright stupid and dumb choices that would mark him as an idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:41:23 No.5830308 Report

Quoted By: >>5830596

>>5830152
>Yes, attempt to persuade Palamedes to align with you. You have a better grasp of the politics, and more importantly, you have successfully aligned yourself with Teukros. You may be able to leverage this new friendship in your persuasion attempt with Palamedes.
Maybe stress the bond Nikon has formed with Teukie, Nikon's worry about Nira's safety if peace falls apart, and how utterly crushing such a peace like Odysseus wants would be for Atreus authority.
>-5 roll malus
ouch

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:41:57 No.5830309 Report

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>>5830307
This does to me present a man who is insightful, if a bit bullheaded. If only people would realize that Nikon only went to the end with Diomedes because there should have been no real danger to either of their lives. What a shame.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:51:19 No.5830326 Report

Quoted By: >>5830330 >>5830331

Rolled 16 (1d100)

>>5830152
Rolling for our chances of successfully diplomancing Palamedes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:53:01 No.5830330 Report

Quoted By: >>5830331

Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>5830326
Never tell me the odds

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:54:02 No.5830331 Report

Quoted By: >>5830338

>>5830326
>>5830330
>sub 20%
It counts. I win.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:56:24 No.5830338 Report

Quoted By: >>5830339

Rolled 11 (1d20)

>>5830331
Rolling for Palamedes' ability to see that we are going off of nothing but fake it till you make it energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Tue 14 Nov 2023 22:58:29 No.5830339 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 11 (1d20)

>>5830338
Rolling to fail forwards

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:04:36 No.5830347 Report

Quoted By: >>5830356

Since Lesches has revealed that there is a respect/regard meter, how far along do we think Nikon is with Achilles? Was returning the Peleid spear a major act?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:10:18 No.5830356 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830347
He was very, very relieved to get his heirloom gear back. They had apparently become decent friends but he is a little miffed at the whole "staying in the palace with those losers instead of roughing it outside with him and his men" thing. And now we've gone off gallivanting without him and gaining glory killing giant birds and shit which he would have been super down to do if given the chance.

So he's probably doing alright, but not on the whole "swear an oath of friendship" level. Probably not really that close, either. I wonder if he's easier to friend than Teukros. Achilles has a couple of friends already, but unlike the distant and shadowed Teukie; Achilles is brash and outugoing despite his being trapped by the legacy of his father and mother restricting him from actually interacting with many people on a personal level.

It's a very interesting thing. Being separated by so much in terms of status yet still being friendly. As long as you don't get him in a mood, at least.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:11:58 No.5830359 Report

Quoted By: >>5830365

>>5830254
The Nobleman (Archer)
JAPANESE NAME: ビッグディックニック
ALSO KNOWN AS: That dudebro, The singer
PORTRAYALS
JAPANESE VA: Hitomi Tanaka
ENGLISH VA: Chester Bennington, Liam Neeson

SERVANT STATS
TRUE NAME: Nikandros Hippomedion
TYPE: Servant (F/sn & F/Z), Heroic Spirit (F/GO)
SOURCE: Greek History
REGION: Greece
ALIGNMENT: Neutral Victory
HIDDEN ATTRIBUTE: Earth
ARMAMENTS: Armor, Shield, Sword, Spear, Rock
SUMMONING CATALYST: Ancestral Arms and Armor, Common Rock
PARAMETER
STRENGTH:B ENDURANCE:B
AGILITY:C MANA:?
LUCK:E NP:?!
CLASS SKILLS
Independent Action: A
Magic Resistance: D
PERSONAL SKILLS
Sing: A
Throwing: SSS

NOBLE PHANTASM: Nikandros's Noble Phantasm is Growing Legend. He releases a wave of power that eliminates all water within 50 meters around him, while transforming his body from his infant state to his adult state. All enemies and allies around him share his luck (E)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:16:30 No.5830365 Report

Quoted By: >>5830366 >>5830370

>>5830359
Remember to keep an eye on your Nikon, if you let go of his hand he will go on a hike and get into trouble.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:18:06 No.5830366 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830365
Don't worry he always comes back. Somehow slightly better than before. Until he doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:22:18 No.5830370 Report

Quoted By: >>5830371

>>5830365
Luck E is bullshit man.

Also he is weak to older kings and womans

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:23:39 No.5830371 Report

Quoted By: >>5830382

>>5830370
Now I wonder what will happen if we meet a queen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:33:11 No.5830382 Report

Quoted By:

>>5830371
Wasn't Anios woman his queen or something? The one that was slave.

She play with us like as if we were a child. Not so bad like Electra did, but that was because she was holding back her Ara Ara~ power

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:39:03 No.5830390 Report

Quoted By: >>5830596

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Tue 14 Nov 2023 23:42:22 No.5830396 Report

Quoted By: >>5830427 >>5830596

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:01:51 No.5830415 Report

Quoted By: >>5830596

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:03:45 No.5830419 Report

Quoted By: >>5830596

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:08:46 No.5830427 Report

Quoted By: >>5830441 >>5830442

>>5830396
I also lube degenerates.

Having typed that I had a huge brainwave and wondered how heroes from other parts of the world and history would fare in this Greek age of heroes. How would Lu Bu, greatest of all the warriors to ever live in China fare against some of the great men of Greece? Cuchulain is an absolute fucking unit, how does he do? Beowulf swings his dick into the game, what's his limit? Somehow "lube" turned into a royal rumble of global proportions.

Obviously not all heroes are built the same. But then it comes down to levels like "Equivalent of the hero kings", "Equivalent of swift-footed Achilles" and "Equivalent of mighty Heracles". There's always a bigger fish. I guess the Fate degeneracy has infected my mind with this mythical showdown, everyone is invited.

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Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:22:26 No.5830441 Report

Quoted By: >>5830448 >>5830449

>>5830427
There are gods of other pantheons and god-blooded of other countries, and they do fight and interact, going by Iudas (RIP).
So maybe the paintings with giant pharaohs shooting over their troops are real and they have an ability to grow im size.
I wonder how many gods and their children were involved when the sea people attacked.

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Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:23:02 No.5830442 Report

Quoted By: >>5830448

>>5830427
Is also something that happen to me when I think about the diferents gods.

Viking gods would more like strong demigods when compare to greek gods. And the autistically complex Indian encyclopedia of gods destroying galaxies in an 8d chess game scares me.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:31:16 No.5830448 Report

Quoted By: >>5830469 >>5830482

>>5830441
That makes me think Sargon the Great was a five-head super genius who managed to science/culture victory Mesopotamia.

But damn the Sea People. Hopefully by the time they show up in a couple hundred years Nikon and his kingdom will be able to throw them back into the sea. If only Nikon knew about what was to come. He could seek out Hephaestus and ask him the secret of Steel to bypass the bronze collapse.

>>5830442
>meanwhile the god of abraham according to abraham

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Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:31:50 No.5830449 Report

Quoted By: >>5830452

>>5830441
>So maybe the paintings with giant pharaohs shooting over their troops are real and they have an ability to grow im size.

The pharaohs were worshiped as god is flesh, so maybe the more egyptians thought that your reign was okay, the more power you get?

I suppose that divine power balanced all the problems generated by incest and other hereditary complications that they had, at least until they died and their bodys just shrank like dry peas.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:35:38 No.5830452 Report

Quoted By: >>5830466

>>5830449
The Chinese with their Mandate of Heaven was basically "Did you take the throne? Then the gods ordained it." which is a really cool way of saying might makes right. And then bullying the entire population into believing the Emperor was a son of the heavens itself.

I do think since the Pharaohs were seen as living embodiments of deities and gods unto themselves that their overall strength is proportional to the faith their subjects hold. Which works nicely with the idea of waxing and waning like the Nile itself. Which is super thematic, really. And right now I think we're just after or just before the death of one of the last great Pharaohs of Egypt.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:46:44 No.5830466 Report

Quoted By: >>5830499

>>5830452

Nikandros obviously has no way of knowing this, but in Egypt, Ramesses II is in his prime and the New Kingdom is at the height of its power

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Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:47:48 No.5830469 Report

Quoted By: >>5830473 >>5830499

>>5830448
Our descendants might fair really well compared to the rest of greece during the collapse, since the places that got really screwed were the big cities in southern parts, while the population became more rural and had their language replace by doric.
Meanwhile, we are on the most northern part of greece, and we are already rural. Also, Pure doric is present in the western part of greece, while aelic that is spoken in thessaly had plenty of archaic terms. So the wave of barbarian will not touch our lands, but they will become influential enough to change culture and language anyway.

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Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:49:03 No.5830473 Report

Quoted By: >>5830499

>>5830469
Forgot the image.
But tldr.: The damn will hold the flood of barbaroi

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Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 00:53:28 No.5830482 Report

Quoted By: >>5830499

>>5830448
The god of Abraham is the ultimate genius of the western gods.

Is normal that the new gods replace the old god by defeat them and claim their people.

The Vikings gods are a good example: All the gos are divided in two groups: Aesir and Vanir. The Aesir are all gods of (something) and war. The Vanir are just normal gods. This is because the ancestors of the Vikings conquered the people who worshiped the Vanir and when the people united later on so did their gods.

The god of Abraham weaponized this to an absurd degree.

"I create everything. I am the only true god. Don't belive that there is any other god."

It sound like a joke to the other pantheons until it worked.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 01:03:46 No.5830499 Report

Quoted By: >>5830502

>>5830466
Now this is spicy. Will they aid Troy, I wonder? Far off Aethiopia will. Intredasting.

>>5830469
>>5830473
Ah but that's the classical period, which I think is some 600/700 years later than where we are now. I'm more worried about the immediate shake-up in the 50-100 years following the collapse. Which I think is happening within the next century or so? Certainly the brunt of the damage caused by the collapse (to the Greeks, at least) will be centered around the heart of the Mycenaean empire. so we should be well off so long as we stay to the northerly parts. But there is going to be a LOT of war against the unwashed barbaroi hordes when it kicks off. Especially since I believe Thrace is one of the earlier nations to use iron weapons. Not very good ones, granted, but quantity is a quality all its own they say.

Though if you want to know who really gets fucked, it's Anatolia. The Caucasus should already be in their bronze age at this point. And they are right next to it despite clinging to the strength of bronze. Which fun fact, bronze is superior to iron in basically every way up until they finally figure out how to start getting steel going. Brass on the other hand is just worse (but shinier and better for electricity) bronze.

>>5830482
>everyone laughs at the nutjob saying there is one super god until the dude claiming to be his son revives himself

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 01:04:59 No.5830502 Report

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>>5830499
>in their bronze age at this point
in their iron age, I mean. Proofreading is hard.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 02:09:14 No.5830596 Report

Quoted By:

Keep your mouth shut

>>5830162
>>5830184
>>5830202
>>5830244
>>5830246
>>5830265 (I think this is a "no" vote?)
>>5830390
>>5830419

Diplomancing the Stone

>>5830187
>>5830308
>>5830396
>>5830415

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Looks like a clear consensus to let sleeping demigods lie. Writing now!

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 02:44:25 No.5830641 Report

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You wrestle with your thoughts as you chase down your quarry – is it better to force an alliance with Palamedes, or allow him to come to you while the council is ongoing? If you test the man, would he later betray you? He does not seem to have the same streak of murderous anger that you’ve glimpsed in Odysseus, but surely, the man is dangerous is in own way.

As the golden chariot of Helios ascends in the sky, you elect not to push further with Palamedes. Years of command in the foothills of Olympus has provided you with some small measure of wisdom when interacting with men – if you push too hard, some men will fight you on principle – and these same men can become loyal footsoldiers if you provide them with the time to come around and exercise restraint. Palamedes pretends to be lost in thought himself – but more than once, you catch him looking at you with a calculating light in his eyes.

You make for an unusual pair, as you wend your way through the nooks and crannies of the hills – two men of vastly disparate size, wearing bronze panoplia. Despite your location and companion, you do feel at home – hunting in the hills is both your pleasure and your duty as a Thessalian.

You hear the bleating of the goats before you see them; your pulse quickens.

Standing at the bottom of a shallow depression between hills, you remove your crested helm, and crouching low, you carefully ascend until you can peer through the verdant grasses.

Perhaps a half-stadia distant, you see a ruined temple on the next hilltop, well-illuminated in the morning light – the paint on the columns has chipped away, the roof has toppled in, and the western and southern walls must have been laid flat against the earth and are hidden by grass. Or perhaps the stone has been pillaged for some other purpose, you cannot see from your angle. The goats that you have tracked are penned against the structure – by your count, twelve of them. You immediately note the presence of six men on the exterior of the ruined temple – while their mode of dress is foreign to you, they are obviously native Lelegians, and given their height – commoners. They’re armed with the rudimentary spears and bows that the common folk create for themselves. Together, they give the picture of a leisurely rest. No sentry is posted.

They are not prepared.

You descend slightly from your vantage point and summon Palamedes closer, and report what you’ve seen.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 02:46:46 No.5830648 Report

Quoted By: >>5830649 >>5830650

Rolled 12, 1 = 13 (2d20)

Palamedes takes no time at all to respond:

“I am no tactician, Nikandros, but I recommend that we attack immediately with the element of surprise – you should charge them, while I pick them off from afar. With the goats penned, there’s no little risk that we'll leave empty-handed.”

You simply nod in response – a good commander takes sound advice, no matter the source. Furthermore, you agree with Palamedes’ recommendation. It’s likely that the Lelegians will simply scatter after the first few men are slain; they’re hardly trained combatants.

Securing your helm, and nodding to Palamedes, you each prepare to engage the enemy.

>These guys are effectively Tier 1 troops and will suffer the typical Tier 1 combat malus vs heroes as a result (which is a hefty -6 for all combat rolls). Normally I wouldn’t roll this out but it’s theoretically possible that Nikandros is surrounded and prodded to death if he rolls very badly.

>Okay /qst/, I need a dice+1d20+1 for Nikon’s initiative.
>I’m rolling initiative for Palamedes (+1) and then collectively for the Lelegian party (-9).

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Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 02:47:47 No.5830649 Report

Quoted By: >>5830683

Rolled 4 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5830648

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 02:48:18 No.5830650 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 18 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5830648
>the lelegians have a NEGATIVE EIGHT initiative
ARE THEY ASLEEP!?

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Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 02:51:53 No.5830657 Report

Quoted By: >>5830660 >>5830663

>Palamedes 13
>Nikon 5
>Lelegian party -8

It is admirable how a group of blind men managed to climb up here lol

Cooking up a meme here

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 02:53:50 No.5830660 Report

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>>5830657
>the lelegians not ten minutes ago wagering amongst themselves who could stare at helios' radiant chariot the longest

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Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 15 Nov 2023 02:55:20 No.5830663 Report

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>>5830657
Obviously they are frozen in awe of nikandros' stone crushing abbs. And the torso sized stone flying towards them at mach 10

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 03:15:07 No.5830683 Report

Quoted By: >>5830684 >>5830685 >>5830691

Rolled 7, 4, 4, 20, 4, 7 = 46 (6d20)

>>5830649

>Palamedes: 13
>Lelegians: 1 (some of them are literally sleeping)
>Nikon: 5 (he's fucking slow but it doesn't matter)

You charge up and over the hilltop in silence - no need to ruin your approach with needless shouting. Your progress is hampered by the long grasses, and you stumble repeatedly as attempt to build momentum, but it hardly matters - the Lelegians are so unprepared for combat, they either fail to notice you entirely or fail to react to a brazen giant sprinting in their direction.

You hear the slap of a bow-string behind you, and Palamedes' bronze-tipped arrow takes the closest Lelegian in the upper back - he had been facing the temple and thus never knew his death was approaching. A fair shot from this distance, the arrow pierces the man's heart, and he sinks to the earth soundlessly. You leap over him without a second thought, making your way to a pair of men in conversation by the northwest corner of the temple.

You're practically at the walls of the structure before your thunderous footfalls prompts action from the pair of Lelegians - one of them is a graying, older man with a patchy beard, and the other is younger, with a full head of black hair. They turn to look at you with the wide eyes of does, their feet restrained by foul Deimos.

You pity them... but not enough to halt your attack. They are only just able to bring their paltry spears to bear as you rush them!

>okay, fellas - give me THREE rolls of dice+2d20. Nikon has a manual +1 to-hit and a +6 to wound. These poor bastards continued to have a -9 roll malus between their commoner stat line and Tier 1 troop malus.

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Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 03:16:02 No.5830684 Report

Quoted By: >>5830693

Rolled 9, 5 = 14 (2d20)

>>5830683
Stab

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Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Wed 15 Nov 2023 03:16:13 No.5830685 Report

Quoted By: >>5830693

Rolled 6, 11 = 17 (2d20)

>>5830683
LETS GO!

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Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 15 Nov 2023 03:20:53 No.5830691 Report

Quoted By: >>5830693

Rolled 1, 15 = 16 (2d20)

>>5830683

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 03:24:40 No.5830693 Report

Quoted By: >>5830695

>>5830684
>>5830685
>>5830691

>Nik rolls a 10, 21 vs 1,11
>Sloppy technique but even a glancing blow is highly lethal when delivered by a giant demigod.

Okay, now I'll need a dice+1d6+6 to determine whether you kill the old man outright.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 15 Nov 2023 03:25:48 No.5830695 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 2 + 6 (1d6 + 6)

>>5830693
Nikon hate the elderly!

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Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 03:28:55 No.5830696 Report

Quoted By: >>5831105

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 03:39:34 No.5830700 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 9 (1d20)

I'm rolling for morale since you guys just obliterated a significant portion of their team in 10 seconds. They need to roll under a 6 to stay in the fight.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 03:55:24 No.5830724 Report

Quoted By: >>5830726 >>5830728 >>5830892

Your spear flashes out and you nearly decapitate the younger man - your heavy Lebinthian spearhead disintegrates the bone, flesh and viscera of his neck in a spray of gore. He and his head tumble loosely to the earth; his mouth flapping soundlessly, and his black hair fanning out.

You turn to his older companion, who is soundlessly terrified and scrambling away from you, pressed against the stones of the temple - you see that his pants are wet with his fright. It's an awkward angle to strike - you'd prefer not to risk damaging your new spearhead by driving it through the man and against the stone underneath. Instead, you rotate swiftly, reverse your spear's grip, and with a whistling snap, swat sideways with the length of your spearhaft with explosive force. You're rewarded with the sound of the man's ribs fracturing, and he collapses as well. To your surprise, he manages a keening cry - something closer to a cat's yowl than a man's scream. The noise clearly sparks alarm amongst his companions - you hear the slapping of sandals on stone, and see another two men emerge from the shadows of the ruined temple - you hadn't seen them previously.

Beyond them, you see three other members of the Lelegian hunting party from the temple grounds, and even farther in the distance, Palamedes jogging closer for his next bowshot.

The two Lelegian groups cry out to each other - while you don't speak the language, the mortal terror in their voices needs no translation. For a moment, you expect them to gather into a group and assail you as a single unit - but then, you remember that these are merely untrained hunters. To your expectation, they simply flee - scattering in all directions.

Of course - you are not quite finished, nor is Palamedes.

Your spear takes another of the Lelegians in the guts, and Palamedes puts down another with a well-placed shot. Pursuit of the remaining three men is not worth the effort. You round out this morning's exercises by crushing the skull of the elderly man with a kick; he had been coughing up blood and sinking into unconciousness when you returned to him. Five men dead within the minute. You scowl - you should have killed the elderly man before he began stumbling away - you're sure that Ajax would not have made the same error. You take a few moments to gather the bodies of the slain, but they had little of worth - wooden trinkets, knives of bone. Nothing of value. You take a moment to check on the goats - still secured in their paddock.

Palamedes interrupts your investigation of the goats, having moved into the temple ruins.

"Nikandros - you should come into the temple and see this!" His voice is excited, interested. Your own curiosity is piqued - perhaps there was something of value here after all? You remove your helm, and join Palamedes in the shadowed interior of the temple.

>next update tomorrow morning EST!
>thanks for playing all - I'm still enjoying QMing and I hope everyone's appetite is whetted for more!

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 04:01:29 No.5830726 Report

Quoted By: >>5830892

>>5830724
II sure hope it isn't letters and stone tablets! I am curious now.

I wonder how many of these goats we can get back. Neither of us are herders. Maybe it's be easier to slaughter them and use the fencing to make a huge sled or spit to carry them back with.

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Anonymous ID:qmtC4JU9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 04:03:52 No.5830728 Report

Quoted By: >>5830734

>>5830724
>You scowl - you should have killed the elderly man before he began stumbling away - you're sure that Ajax would not have made the same error.

Lol
>I have to be better for Big bro

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 04:10:51 No.5830734 Report

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>>5830728
What I find funny about that comparison is Ajax probably deals damage with a +16 modifier. His massive strength plus his training from Chiron means that he just straight up atomizes anything he hits. Ajax wouldn't have made that mistake because he literally cannot hit so hard he doesn't turn his targets into a shadow of a smear on the ground.

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Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Wed 15 Nov 2023 07:30:06 No.5830892 Report

Quoted By: >>5830899

>>5830724
What did Palamedes see ? Judging from the place it could be something ruined but beautiful or something whole.

>>5830726
Thats true but being Thessalian could help a bit

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 07:48:43 No.5830899 Report

Quoted By: >>5830937

>>5830892
>Thats true but being Thessalian could help a bit
I had considered that, but then thinking about it I figure as a noble brat we wouldn't know much about the professions of commoners aside from how they work on a fundamental level. Just so you wouldn't make silly decisions and demands that couldn't be met for the people who serve you.

On the other hand, I bet Nikandros would know at least a little bit about horses, since Thessaly is pretty famous for theirs. And horses themselves are seen as rather prestigious and expensive, perfect for a noble to deal with as opposed to smelly, noisy, scruffy, horned bastard livestock.

I figure Palamedes probably knows more or as much as Nikon. Just because he reads, the nerd. But Euboea where he hails from is named after their cows. Or oxen. I forget off the top of my head. They got good cattle there. So if we ever need advice with them, he's probably our guy. Or at least someone from his island. Cattle is a bit more important than goats. Especially because of religious rites. So I figure even nobles may know a bit about them.

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Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 09:10:00 No.5830937 Report

Quoted By: >>5830944

>>5830899
Well thing is Nikandros, as a "noble brat" of Thessaly he is far poorer than most nobles and more occupied in frontier duty (check yourself if you don't believe me, both Deinara side story and Nikandros start it self). The Hippodemon and their oikos are neither rich, developed or powerful, they didn't have that many luxuries. The Hippodemon also never had horse herds of their own, they had two horses for the war chariot (the one that was lost). What Nikandros did was being a young lord when his mother became mad, martial training, military education, alongside killing barbarians, bandits and wolves in the wild frontier hills.
So he was by default more in contact with his oikos people, than the usual nobles of the south and since his house had so few things he would probably give a bit more value to any of their possessions including the goat herd.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 09:25:08 No.5830944 Report

Quoted By: >>5831022

>>5830937
I am aware of that. I simply err on the side of caution. Nikon might have a huge brain but he is very, very singleminded at times. And it's hard to teach a kid about goats when they could be playing with sticks and shields instead. I just wouldn't expect Nikon to have -practical- knowledge about goats. Can he tell you when a horn is growing in wrong? Probably. Does he know how to correctly trim their horns without hurting them? Doubtful. Does he know the purpose of driving goat herds? Absolutely. Does he actually know how to do it? I doubt it.

You see what I mean?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 12:39:06 No.5831011 Report

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Intrigued, you walk inside the skeletal structure – the interior has better withstood the passage of time. Swirls of chipping paint – pale blue - still linger on the interior walls, and in the approximate middle of the eastern wall, there is an unmistakable altar, still intact, before a large statue.

Palamedes is bending low to investigate an odd script at the base of the altar, and he motions you closer with a wave –

“See here, Nikandros – this writing is neither Hellenic, nor Luwian or even Hittite – it is the language of an older time.” You bend low to investigate yourself, but you had to admit – the script looks like the tracks of a bird pressed into the weathered stone, and you don’t understand his excitement. Palamedes struggles with his armor for a few moments before withdrawing a slim, hide bag from his lower back region – he quickly pulls the drawstring and to your bemusement, reveals a small wax tablet and begins furiously duplicating the script. You can’t help it – you chortle at the man’s antics, but he doesn’t hear you – lost in his obsession already.

This man is unhinged. you think, as you shake your head.

As you do so, you catch a glimpse of the flooring - clearly, it was once a great painted mosaic, but now, more than half the tiles are missing. To your eye, it looks to be a depiction of – the sun rising over the seas of the east? The flooring towards the altar, at least, is better preserved, and the tiling shifts from deep blue to ruddy gold as you look closer and closer to the altar.

The daimon or deity displayed above the altar is also a curious one – the figure of a red-robed young woman or girl, with dark eyes, being drawn by a wagon by a pair of yellow – or golden? - goats. One of the goats is missing entirely - broken loose to decorate someone's hut, you suspect. The red-robed girl herself is remarkably intact, although the paint of her head has been mostly weathered away - the red coloration of her dress remains in the expertly-carved folds of her red dress. It's a remarkable work of craftmanship altogether - this temple was likely once a wonder to behold, many generations ago. As for the god-child - you can think of no deity or daimon that matches her description, although certainly, you know of another dawn goddess – saffron-robed Eos, sister of Helios, who rides within his chariot and who is first to display her wide-ranging brilliance across the Aegean.

You can’t resist – you reach out to touch the face of the daimon’s statue – and find that it is quite warm to the touch. An unusual find, but then, this journey has brought you face to face with several unusual –

”Nikandros! Behind you!Palamedes hisses to you, voice tense.

Without thought, you spin, bringing your spear and shield at the ready.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 12:45:04 No.5831014 Report

Quoted By: >>5831024 >>5831026 >>5831035 >>5831105 >>5831123 >>5831132 >>5831158

You have difficulty understanding what you see at first – a vertical column of morning mist has drifted into the temple. But as it crosses into the shadowed area, you see it more clearly – a flickering figure, indistinct. Its limbs are hazy, and its head is vague, insubstantial. Its height seems to vary - at one moment, at your waist, and at another moment, at your shoulder. You can see the patchwork deep blue flooring tiles through it, whatever it is. It drifts slowly towards you, warping and twisting with the breeze, and at first, you imagine it to be a shade escaped from Tartarus… But you reconsider once you remember that Palamedes, grandson of Poseidon, sees it as well.

A daimon!

But you’ve never seen or heard of such a divinity – one that refuses to take the shape of a mortal or beast, or travels in the shape of a manlike cloud. To be frank, you’re not sure what to make of it. Palamedes’ gold-flecked eyes are wide with alarm – and his feet are rooted to the spot.

The cloud comes to a halt perhaps five strides distant – shifting from side to side, but coming no closer. You have the vague impression of armlike protrusions gesticulating, but you hear nothing. In short – you are baffled and unsure how to proceed, or whether you might be in danger.

>Okay /qst/, this is something of a riddle in the vein of finding Achilles, and rather than a standard vote, I would like to test the troubleshooting powers of the players.

>What will Nikandros do? Write-ins only.

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Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 13:04:22 No.5831022 Report

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>>5830944
okay

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Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 13:13:56 No.5831024 Report

Quoted By: >>5831187

>>5831014
Seeing the image I thought for a second Nikon was about to get abducted by an alien.

I’m not quite certain what to think this is, for the Achilles one we got lucky asking the right questions, so could we maybe ask the big nerd for his ideas?

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Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 13:19:15 No.5831026 Report

Quoted By: >>5831105 >>5831158 >>5831187

>>5831014
>What will Nikandros do? Write-ins only.
>Write in
Point our spear head to the ground. And while keeping our shield slightly down, offer a respectful bow of our head and knee (not too much we don't know this deity).
"We are two men of the greeks. A people beyond the sea, we have not come here for desecrate your temple, unknown daimon. We simply wanted to look at it after seeing the magnificent ruins of your temple. And if you feel offended unknown daimon, we will kill a goat here and now for you on your altar. Then we shall leave."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Lq3VNoBp Wed 15 Nov 2023 13:31:38 No.5831035 Report

Quoted By: >>5831111 >>5831132 >>5831187 >>5832211

>>5831014
>Point our spear head to the ground. And while keeping our shield slightly down, offer a respectful bow of our head and knee.
>"Unknown daimon, we are two men of Hellas, a place beyond the sea. We came here only to admire your temple, not to desecrate or steal what is yours. If we have offended you, we will sacrifice a goat upon your altar and leave at once."
me from >>5829710
Calling it now, this is the goddess the temple was dedicated to, and she's on the brink of death because she was forgotten (or syncretized with some other goddess).

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:lXZyai48 Wed 15 Nov 2023 15:38:41 No.5831093 Report

Quoted By: >>5831152

Friendly bump - this voting window will close in 2 hours.

Thanks for beating with a more experimental part of the quest!

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Anonymous ID:j5lLudb4 Wed 15 Nov 2023 16:07:11 No.5831105 Report

Quoted By: >>5831132

>>5830696
This is me

>>5831014
>>5831026
This

>"Please tell us your name, spirit."
Sound like a a babylonian or assyrian god

Maybe we can take the altar to home?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 15 Nov 2023 16:18:38 No.5831111 Report

Quoted By: >>5831187

>>5831035
+1

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:j5lLudb4 Wed 15 Nov 2023 16:21:09 No.5831117 Report

Quoted By: >>5831187

Maybe try the old "Point to self, say name, point to her, ask name" if she dont understand us?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 16:26:40 No.5831123 Report

Quoted By: >>5831132 >>5831187

>>5831014
Put our weapons down, and kneel or bow to show respect.
Introduce ourselves as Nikandros and Palamedes. Plea for their name so we may properly address them.
Apologize for the intrusion upon their temple, and for touching the statue. We are foreigners from across the sea and were curious about the divinity that this palace is dedicated to.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Wed 15 Nov 2023 16:43:03 No.5831132 Report

Quoted By: >>5831151 >>5831152 >>5831158 >>5831183 >>5831187

>>5831014
>>5831035
i'll support this write in

we should probably also ask some insight from palamedes but i think he's frozen from a case of too smart to act so whatever, if he knows something he'll let us know.

>>5831105
my sides syncretized

(i think the same encounter by megamind diviner build would have resulted in a personal shoulder goddess to berate us which would have acted as a divine early warning bird for the presence of any Olympians)

>>5831123
a head with a bowed neck is easily cut, i would rather escape than dogeza for every supernatural thing that passes around.
especially one so obscene to have a censorship filter on their whole being.

also why so many asking for a name when it's clear this thing can't talk?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:j5lLudb4 Wed 15 Nov 2023 16:49:56 No.5831138 Report

Quoted By:

Ghost of yesterday
Stalking 'round this room
All night long you stay
Walk around profound gloom
When the darkness falls
When hope gone to bed
Wearied come your calls
Mournfully, scornfully dead

Folly of a love you strangled
Pulsing heart I thought was gone
Given no peace
Will not cease
Prowling 'round till dawn
Ghost of yesterday
Every night you're here
Whispering away
'Might have been, might have been, oh, my dear'
Hopeful heart still beat
Ghost of yesterday
Yesterday

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 17:01:50 No.5831151 Report

Quoted By: >>5831530

>>5831132
>Says that he doesn't want to bow and kneel for a god and would rather escape
>Support a votes to bow and kneel
???

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Wed 15 Nov 2023 17:01:54 No.5831152 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831093
the opposite man
i was waiting for this kind of thing since the battle against the centaurs.

>>5831132
>also why so many asking for a name when it's clear this thing can't talk?
Is a basic question that automatically comes out with someone new, with deities though is not exactly always wise to ask. Has you point out she also can't say anything at the moment.

Personally i am not inclined to make any question about who she is, until she is satisfied by our sacrifice and understand we mean no harm to the temple (so that we can leave without being hunted/blasted).
In regard to Palames, maybe is better like this. Nikandros taking an intelligent initiative in something so dangerous and delicate, is not a bad thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Wed 15 Nov 2023 17:08:17 No.5831158 Report

Quoted By: >>5831183 >>5831187

Maaan, at this no one will want to pair up with Nikandros because of his inborn Bullshit Magnet!
>>5831014
Supporting >>5831026

>>5831132
>(i think the same encounter by megamind diviner build would have resulted in a personal shoulder goddess to berate us which would have acted as a divine early warning bird for the presence of any Olympians)
We are reaching levels of MAXIMUM Seer that shouldn't be possible

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 17:47:21 No.5831183 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831132
Palamedes is a man of deliberation, after all. He is great at thinking. But Nikandros is a man of action. This is a good reflection of that.

Also it's polite to introduce yourself to things. Unless you're in Celtic myth. The Fae are pricks.

>>5831158
Is MAXIMUM SEER the sleeper build that collects forgotten and unknown deities to give them a voice and shoulder to lean on? Is the deepest lore deepening? The voices are getting so loud. Also shoulder loli.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 17:52:24 No.5831187 Report

Quoted By:

Ask Palamedes for ideas

>>5831024

Introduce self, potentially offer goat sacrifice

>>5831026
>>5831111
>>5831035
>>5831132
>>5831158

Plain old introduce self

>>5831117
>>5831123

---

Okay, looks like a clear majority for "attempt introductions, audible to goat sacrifice if necessary". Update should be out for 4pm EST or so.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 18:02:53 No.5831196 Report

Quoted By: >>5831201

Also something to note, Palamedes has the fancy eyes as well. He should be just as removed from divinity as Ajax is according to parentage. So is this specter showing itself to everyone or can he just see it thanks to his heritage? Quite strange that it hadn't show itself to the goat tenders earlier. Perhaps it just judged them spineless and worthless. Which is possible. It may not be desperate or maybe it is. Questions upon questions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 18:10:01 No.5831201 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831196
I meant to say "Nikon" not "Ajax". I think I have brain damage kek.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:05:46 No.5831308 Report

Quoted By: >>5831312 >>5831313 >>5831334 >>5831357 >>5831391

Rolled 13, 14 = 27 (2d20)

You nervously edge across the walls of the fallen temple, giving the daimon a wide berth to retrieve the goats – it’s trivial for you to knock a pair of them unconscious with a measured blow, drape them across your broad shoulders and return to the altar.

Palamedes, to his credit, has regained his composure by the time you have returned. You place the goats atop the broad stone altar, and lift their necks one at a time. Palamedes, borrowing your Lebinthian knife, intones:

“Goddess of this temple, we honor you through the sacrifice of these goats, in remembrance of you. Eat of their substance – drink of their lifeblood. Honor us with safe passage from this place.” He deftly slits the throat of each animal, and the black blood of the beasts flows darkly across the surface of the altar, flooding onto the broken tiling below.

You expectantly turn to the shapeless cloud – and over long seconds, the mist condenses into the form of a slender girl of about twelve - or this is your best guess, because it’s difficult to say. The top half of the daimon head’s simply missing – smashed apart as if a tremendous mallet had crushed it. What looks like bone protrudes from the mangled skull, and from the broken flesh, a syrupy substance slowly bubbles, sublimating into a golden mist as it hits the air. Not blood – but the golden ichor of the gods.

Your mouth hangs open in shock.

The goddess-girl opens her mouth, and whispers softly:

“ शापमुक्ति “.

To your ears, they are nonsense syllables – completely without meaning. The goddess-girl repeats herself, and Palamedes starts - his mouth works momentarily before he can summon winged words. He speaks back to the daimon in some foreign tongue – you think Hittite?

“يا إلهة، من فضلك - يجب أن تتحدثي بب يا إلهة، من فضلك - يجب أن تتحدثي ببطء. أنا لا أعرف لسانك.”

“ मातापितृविहीन “, she replies.

The goddess-girl begins to wail – the dejected weeping of a child without hope. You are unsettled, to say the least - you cannot tear your eyes away from the crushed skull of the divinity. What could do this? What could wound a goddess in this fashion? The thought consumes you - you can think of nothing else.

She speaks again:

“ मेध्य “

Suddenly, Palamedes stands straighter – a fire burns in his eyes. He nods in your direction confidently, and speaks again:

“يا إلهي، أسمعك وأفهم. كيف يمكن أن نرضيك في هذا اليوم؟”.

>Okay, /qst/ - this should be interesting. We are rolling for Palamedes to interact with the goddess. I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+6. Palamedes has Fresh Olympian Blood, and I am assigning another +3 bonus for the double goat sacrifice. His Literacy trait is making this social encounter possible, BTW – he’s practically the only person in TWQ who can do this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:10:30 No.5831312 Report

Quoted By: >>5831366

Rolled 6 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5831308
Don't job, brain boy!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MgDLbDCt Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:11:31 No.5831313 Report

Quoted By: >>5831345 >>5831366 >>5831379

Rolled 7 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5831308
Punjabi? Interesting....

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:13:03 No.5831318 Report

Quoted By:

>needed to roll an 8
>can't
Honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:19:53 No.5831334 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 11 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5831308

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:23:15 No.5831341 Report

Quoted By:

On the plus side at least now we know Palamedes literally has zero charisma.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:24:59 No.5831345 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831313
1PID doesn't count right? :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:35:44 No.5831357 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831308
Well damn, i don't feel safe
Hopefully we don't get blasted

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WmnnzhQV Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:40:33 No.5831364 Report

Quoted By: >>5831371

Hopefully this is just one degree of failure and we can roll again to be diplomatic at a penalty later.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:41:57 No.5831366 Report

Quoted By: >>5831371 >>5831383 >>5831602

>>5831312
>>5831313

>the narrowest failure possible
>Palamedes rolls a 13 vs 14
>tears in the rain...

Palamedes and the goddess exchange further halting conversation, but suddenly, she hisses at him, her voice dripping with hostility:

"भवतुनाम अपराधी "

Palamedes spins and turns to you, whispering -

"We need to leave NOW." You don't require further instruction - the pair of you beat a hasty retreat from the fallen temple. In the broad daylight of the morning, your nerves begin to settle - although you can still hear the faint weeping of the goddess-girl from within the shadowed depths of the tomb.

Once you've retreated to a safe distance, Palamedes reaches up to clap you on the shoulder, his eyes still wide with dread, and says -

"Let us collect the goats and never speak of this place again."

You don't find it hard to agree - the sight of the daimon's crushed skull will linger in your eyes for months... or maybe years.

Working together, you're able to quickly lash the remaining ten goats to a long lead of rope that the Lelegians had left at the paddock. With Palamedes urging the goats from behind, and you tugging at the lead from the front, you make swift progress back through the hills. You keep alert for signs of further Lelegians as you hike, but fortunately, you see none at all.

Upon your return to your galleys, you see that your team was moderately successful, to the acclaim of the sailing crews. Teukros, Menelaus and Odysseus managed to bring down a large doe and her fawn only. Your gift of ten goats goes over much better - enough for a hearty meal for both crews combined. As for Castor and Pollux - they proudly return with eleven cattle, although the majority of them look underfed. Nonetheless, the morning's scavenging was quite successful on the whole - the crews are pleased!

Separating from Palamedes, he clasps your hand firmly. He says nothing to you, only nodding, but you feel that the shared experience and the pact of silence has smoothed your relationship with him - perhaps he has forgiven you for approaching him in the Royal Palace?

Later, you find Teukros and exchange tales - but you omit your encounter in the shadowed temple. The galleys set off once the meals have been finished and the cattle safely stowed aboard the galleys.

The final approach to sacred Ilion is upon you - in less than two weeks, you hope to be standing before the famous Scaean Gate. Upon the foredeck of the Ajax's vessel, your heart swells - what a voyage it has been! You breathe deeply of the salt air and for the ten thousandth time - you resolve to write your name with blood and fire into the rolls of history. Gods and men will speak your name hundreds of years from now. You will find a husband for your sister, Deianira. You are not the end of the House of Hippomedon...

>okay /qst/, one last naval progress roll - our journey to Ilion is almost complete!
>one dice+1d20 please!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:44:54 No.5831371 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>5831364
We couldn't even pass on something we got to just about halfway to on modifiers alone. What makes you think we'd pass the next time?

Welcome to Trojan War Quest we've got
>DCs that literally cannot be met
>trivial DCs that aren't met anyway

>>5831366
Ugh, the only thing worse than not getting a chance is barely failing. What a waste. We lost two good goats for this shit. Stupid fucking spirit girl. Fuck the divine.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:48:06 No.5831379 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831313
Classic Trojan quest...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:50:14 No.5831383 Report

Quoted By: >>5831384

Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>5831366
I really hope that ghost girl comes back to bite us or Palamedes in the ass when we don't need it most.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:51:22 No.5831384 Report

Quoted By: >>5831390

>>5831383
I hope she gets forgotten and lost forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:55:53 No.5831390 Report

Quoted By: >>5831393

>>5831384
Do immortals forgive and forget so easily?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:56:00 No.5831391 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831308
According to google translate Palamedes is speaking arab, but she is speaking hindi. I suppose it means that they can't really understand eachother?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 20:58:34 No.5831393 Report

Quoted By: >>5831400

>>5831390
Irrelevant. I want her to cease to exist.

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:02:54 No.5831400 Report

Quoted By: >>5831404 >>5831427

>>5831393
>immortals
>not existing

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:05:05 No.5831404 Report

Quoted By: >>5831407 >>5831408

>>5831400
Even gods fade away, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:06:40 No.5831407 Report

Quoted By: >>5831418

>>5831404
Only in shitty YA fantasy novels where they require worship. Sure Pan died that one time, but ragnarok and the like aren't greek. Pan probably was fuckin with people or decided to vacation in hades for a while

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:06:45 No.5831408 Report

Quoted By: >>5831418

>>5831404
But they're never truly gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:08:04 No.5831411 Report

Quoted By:

शापमुक्ति (shaapamukti) -> freedom from curse

يا إلهة، من فضلك - يجب أن تتحدثي بب يا إلهة، من فضلك - يجب أن تتحدثي ببطء. أنا لا أعرف لسانك (ya 'iilahata, min fadlik - yajib 'an tatahadathi bib ya 'iilahata, min fadlik - yajib 'an tatahadathi bibut'in. 'ana la 'aerif lisanak) -> Goddess, please - you must speak slowly Goddess, please - you must speak slowly. I don't know your tongue

भवतुनाम अपराधी (didn't show how it's written in latin letters)-> Without parents

मेध्य (medhy) -> Median ?????

يا إلهي، أسمعك وأفهم. كيف يمكن أن نرضيك في هذا اليوم؟ (ya 'iilahi, 'asmaeuk wa'afhama. kayf yumkin 'an nurdiak fi hadha alyawmi?) -> Oh God, I hear you and I understand. How can we please you on this day?)

भवतुनाम अपराधी (bhavatunaam aparaadhee) -> bhavatunaam criminal ????

All in all, it couldn't translate fuck all of she was saying, but Palamedes speech worked well enough.
Same thing happens with the greek phrases, it's why I don't even bother trying and just ignore them when they show up.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:09:46 No.5831412 Report

Quoted By: >>5831418

But what I think it meant, is that this goddess was cursed, we couldn't understand each other, and she must have thought we were there to steal from her temple.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WmnnzhQV Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:10:50 No.5831414 Report

Quoted By:

This is our first experience with the world outside of Greece. An experience that teaches us that other gods exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:12:06 No.5831418 Report

Quoted By: >>5831425

>>5831407
>meanwhile, the little bitch we saw no less than an hour ago who became more distinct from a sacrifice
bruh
She probably isn't even fucking Greek anyway, what is your point?

>>5831408
Not with that attitude. I'll just forget harder with some HEAD TRAUMA

>>5831412
I really wish we could have found out literally anything. But Palamedes immediately acted like a dweeb and didn't explain a damn thing. What a nerd. I am vexed by unsated curiosity.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:15:54 No.5831425 Report

Quoted By: >>5831431

>>5831418
I can guarantee that was a perception thing on our side by acknowledging her, literally no mythology or religion in history has God's dying or fading from a lack of worship

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:17:09 No.5831427 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831400
Apparently they can have their heads crushed at the very least.
That means there are weapons that can hurts gods enough that they turn into spook ghosts. That means we must find a god-slaying rock for us to throw at the rivers

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:21:38 No.5831431 Report

Quoted By: >>5831469

>>5831425
That doesn't make sense though. Perception is perception. She knew we saw her from the start because she was making a fuss with her hands. There is no reason why we would perceive her better by acknowledging her because seeing her and reacting to her at all is acknowledging. You know?

And of course there is no religion which toys with the idea that forgetting will make the gods go away, because no one ever considers their gods will be forgotten in the world of dogma. Everyone thinks their stuff will be around forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:42:43 No.5831462 Report

Quoted By: >>5831466 >>5831468

Hmm, just occurred to me that considering she had goats drawing her wagon in her painting, maybe sacrificing them to her might have not been the smartest outcome. Whoops?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:44:59 No.5831466 Report

Quoted By: >>5831469

>>5831462
If only we'd captured one of those sleepy Lelegians we could have used them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:46:05 No.5831468 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831462
We goat a bonus for it, not a malus so it might have been a good idea.
Our rolls just suck (or are good, but the enemy has +9999 bonus and we can't win, or rolls higher)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 15 Nov 2023 21:47:52 No.5831469 Report

Quoted By: >>5831488

>>5831466
We should've sacrificed palamedes

>>5831431
Perceptions change, especially with magic involved.

And that has nothing to do with anything. If no faith has the "our gods need prayers to survive" then it doesn't exist outside of shitty fantasy novels

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 22:04:39 No.5831488 Report

Quoted By: >>5831497

>>5831469
Honestly I don't really want to get into a theological debate on the nuances of spiritual supremacism and what it does or does not preclude and how that interferes with modern or ancient understanding of the divine. It's too tiresome. I'll just say I don't agree with you over this weird ghost goddess twat and leave it at that.

>We should've sacrificed palamedes
>mfw
Odysseus would love us for it if nothing else.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 15 Nov 2023 22:10:16 No.5831497 Report

Quoted By: >>5831501 >>5831559

>>5831488
Good, cause again the idea of gods requiring faith is a modern invention of hack writers

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 22:12:47 No.5831501 Report

Quoted By: >>5831503

>>5831497

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 15 Nov 2023 22:15:34 No.5831503 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831501
But yeah we should've sacrificed the nerd instead of something useful like goats

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Wed 15 Nov 2023 22:41:34 No.5831530 Report

Quoted By: >>5831536

>>5831151
there's difference between lowering the spear and put the weapons down.

i voted for a cautious stance to deescalate by lowering our weapon and offer a quick bow of acknowledgment while still ready to stand and fight at any moment

your vote reads like disarming completely and kneeling with both legs or bow deeply in worship.

anyway we got the best result which is to get away from meeting the divine with the least amount of trauma possible, we're still in time to sacrifice the nerd the next time his nerdy skills aren't necessary.

(grandson of poseidon though... may have been amongst the reasons Odysseus got so fucked over by the trip back since he's the one who got him killed)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 22:48:22 No.5831536 Report

Quoted By: >>5831551

>>5831530
Palamedes' dad goes fucking hog wild on the Achaeans when they try to sail home for the death of his son. Nauplius is a scary man. Made a ton of them crash and sink. Probably with help from Sea-Daddy.

This makes me wonder if Nikon is gonna be the guy trying to save everyone from dying. Already aiming to save Ajax and probably Achilles. Why not Palamedes as well? Will we unlock the timeline where Nikon manages to keep the age of heroes from ending?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 22:58:07 No.5831551 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831536
Oh and I can't forget about wanting to help Castor and Pollux. We really do need to figure out how to tell them not to get into pissing contests with any twins that doesn't cause them to wind up doing it out of spite.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 15 Nov 2023 23:01:06 No.5831559 Report

Quoted By: >>5831563 >>5831564 >>5831590

Interesting discussion all. Suffice it to say that Nikandros does not know much about the affairs of deities and it would be unfair to comment further - there’s lots of opportunities for Nikon to learn more over the course of TWQ.

>>5831497

Have no fear, anon. I’m strictly using Hesiod, Homer and Statius as canon for TWQ, in keeping with HomerQM’s stated vision.

The naval roll was 5, which translates to:

>shitty travel conditions, roll again on my Homeric happenings table to see what happens.

So I need another dice+1d20, strong-greaved anons

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AzT6wgHI Wed 15 Nov 2023 23:02:46 No.5831563 Report

Quoted By: >>5831575

Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>5831559
what horror will the LBA sea throw at us today

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 23:03:14 No.5831564 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 10 (1d20)

>>5831559
I will continue to roll and poorly until morale improves.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 23:09:59 No.5831575 Report

Quoted By: >>5831584 >>5831602

>>5831563
By the gods, the greatest terror of all, a big fish that is relatively harmless.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Wed 15 Nov 2023 23:15:41 No.5831584 Report

Quoted By: >>5831589

>>5831575
worst of all is, we can't fish it

which is probably good because it may have been a child of Poseidon in disguise or something else like that.

do you ever wonder how many times Zeus failed to get it on with a girl he liked because somebody saw him disguised as a stray animal and went:
"i'mma eat it for dinner"
and got a thunderbolt in the teeth?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 23:18:27 No.5831589 Report

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>>5831584
That must be the absolute shittiest way to go.
>I can feed my family with this random dog I found in my wife's bedro-
>SMOTE

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 15 Nov 2023 23:18:49 No.5831590 Report

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Rolled 14 (1d20)

>>5831559

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Wed 15 Nov 2023 23:26:52 No.5831602 Report

Quoted By: >>5831621

>>5831366
Yea yea Nikandros just remember you also need to find a wife for you !

>>5831575
Sound yummy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 15 Nov 2023 23:35:13 No.5831621 Report

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>>5831602
>Sound yummy
This made me look up what kind of fish were in the Med to see if they had tuna. They do. Bluefin Tuna, in fact. And probably more but I am too lazy to actually do any more than a cursory search.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 03:07:47 No.5831842 Report

Quoted By: >>5831847 >>5831850 >>5831859 >>5831899 >>5831901 >>5831943 >>5832046 >>5832048 >>5832067 >>5832111 >>5832123 >>5832140

The next two days are spent sailing west along the southern coast of the Troad, passing the small inland city of Pedasus, and exiting the Adramyttian Gulf. It is once you round the horn of the Troad, turning north, that your galleys find hardship. The sovereign of the winds, Boreas, blows endlessly against your ships, even as trading vessels heading south flash by. Travel north is done in painstaking fits and starts – leaping into action to row as hard as possible while the northerly winds die down, and then quickly taking shelter in small bays and shallow waters when they resume. You lose an entire afternoon due to an unseasonable gale - you spend the storm in your bunk, irritation building.

Five more days pass in this manner – and to your great dismay, the end of July is nearing. Time is running out – it is infuriating for this last leg of the journey to slow to a crawl. Ajax and Menelaus seem to feel the pressure as well, and they redouble their efforts – constantly consulting with Odysseus about the best means to steal progress where they can. To your surprise, they even once hail a friendly Euboean vessel traveling south, and consult with the helmsman about the local waters surrounding Ilion. You’re thankful that you are separated from Odysseus; no doubt Lyssa, daimona of fury, saw fit to bless him with her ministrations afterwards.

You spend some time with Teukros – but he can only mock Odysseus’ doubled black eyes and swollen nose so many times. The pair of you have begun to run out of stories of your youth and other such fodder after weeks and weeks at sea – he no longer has any appetite from petteia after having been repeatedly crushed.

You will soon lose the ability to impose yourself on your noble crewmates - with whom do you choose to spend time with as you beat your way north on flashing oars?

>what do, /qst/?

>Attempt to persuade Teukros to join with you in spoiling the diplomatic talks - the time for you to reveal your true intentions is here!

>Spend time with Castor

>Spend time with Pollux

>Risk another interaction with Ajax – no doubt the man will seek to “test” you further.

>Spend time with the Salaminian crew

>Something else?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 03:11:55 No.5831847 Report

Quoted By: >>5832080

>>5831842
>Attempt to persuade Teukros to join with you in spoiling the diplomatic talks - the time for you to reveal your true intentions is here!
With what Palamedes told us, we have a reason to explain why we would want that.
Menelaus accepting his cuck status will turn Greece into a battle royale. We are a small fish back home.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Thu 16 Nov 2023 03:15:14 No.5831850 Report

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>>5831842
>Risk another interaction with Ajax – no doubt the man will seek to “test” you further.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Thu 16 Nov 2023 03:23:31 No.5831859 Report

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>>5831842
>Risk another interaction with Ajax – no doubt the man will seek to “test” you further.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 04:16:46 No.5831899 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831842
>Attempt to persuade Teukros to join with you in spoiling the diplomatic talks - the time for you to reveal your true intentions is here!
Time is running out

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 04:19:32 No.5831901 Report

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>>5831842
>Attempt to persuade Teukros to join with you in spoiling the diplomatic talks - the time for you to reveal your true intentions is here!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Thu 16 Nov 2023 05:08:42 No.5831943 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831842
>>Attempt to persuade Teukros to join with you in spoiling the diplomatic talks - the time for you to reveal your true intentions is here!
Fair-faced Nike - Bless our tongue with grace.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Thu 16 Nov 2023 07:25:20 No.5832046 Report

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>>5831842
>>Attempt to persuade Teukros to join with you in spoiling the diplomatic talks - the time for you to reveal your true intentions is here!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 07:27:02 No.5832048 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831842
>>Spend time with the Salaminian crew
You know what, fuck it. Last call before the fuse is lit. Might as well mingle.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Thu 16 Nov 2023 07:50:24 No.5832067 Report

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>>5831842
>Attempt to persuade Teukros to join with you in spoiling the diplomatic talks - the time for you to reveal your true intentions is here!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 08:06:04 No.5832080 Report

Quoted By: >>5832108

>>5831847
I for one can't wait to ask Menelaus if he is a cuckold at the talks and tell him the entire world will think he is if he doesn't get everything back or wipe them offending party off the face of the Earth. I mean really, is there any other way of seeing it? If he rolls over in any way it sends a clear message to the rest of the world. "Anyone can steal your wife from you and you'll just pay them to have her back like any weak, effeminate, impotent half-man.". Not befitting a great king such as himself, eh?

Menelaus is a cuck though. Got put into the shed by some twink from across the sea who probably barely even speaks the same language. I almost pity him. But he really is the lesser of his brother, so.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 09:13:26 No.5832108 Report

Quoted By: >>5832116

>>5832080

Anon, you can say all kinds of crazy/ insulting things at the council meeting if you’re willing to take a Kleos penalty.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 16 Nov 2023 09:15:32 No.5832109 Report

Quoted By: >>5832111

>Risk another interaction with Ajax – no doubt the man will seek to “test” you further.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 16 Nov 2023 09:16:33 No.5832111 Report

Quoted By:

>>5831842
>>5832109

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 09:17:19 No.5832112 Report

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Oh, and this vote will close at 8am EST (four hours from now)

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 09:26:20 No.5832116 Report

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>>5832108
>you can say all kinds of crazy/ insulting things at the council meeting
Is that right?

I wouldn't actually go so far as to call him a cuck to his face. But damn would it feel good. I'm sure even Odysseus would gawk at Nikandros for being so bold. I am trying to think of how to properly word it to insinuate that the world would laugh at him and try to take Helen from him again and again if he didn't show a strong enough front to the Trojans. Because Paris is a total turd and genuine pissbaby who only gets by because a goddess inexplicably simps for him and because his family is full of absolute chads, except for him.

But speeches are really hard, and I am too autistic to properly write any social interaction in a way that seems at all human.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Thu 16 Nov 2023 09:33:34 No.5832123 Report

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>>5831842
>Attempt to persuade Teukros to join with you in spoiling the diplomatic talks - the time for you to reveal your true intentions is here!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Thu 16 Nov 2023 10:04:43 No.5832140 Report

Quoted By: >>5832149

if i can vote,
>>5831842
>Attempt to persuade Teukros to join with you in spoiling the diplomatic talks - the time for you to reveal your true intentions is here!

If we fuck this up I feel like we are close enough to Teukros that the worst thing that might happen is he says no then tells Ajax. Don't know much about the brothers except that Salamis, their kingdom, is a big island which presumably enjoys no small amount of trade, making them tentative doves. Which are exactly the kind of people we should be approaching.

I am glad that hikechads won in my absence. There's no problem in antiquity that can't be solved by a good walk or two

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 10:23:40 No.5832149 Report

Quoted By: >>5832160

>>5832140
Salamis is an okay trade hub if you don't want to set foot on the Greek mainland and you're coming around the Peloponnese or if you really don't want to go across Corinth. Otherwise it's in a kind of bad spot. Nestled pretty far up away from the seas in its bay. They are however pretty skilled pirates on top of being decent traders. They do very much like their ships.

My impression of Ajax is a hawk, though. He never really shies away from a fight or battle. And I believe Electra's assessment of him painted him as a hawk as well.

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Anonymous ID:c88mqond Thu 16 Nov 2023 10:57:05 No.5832160 Report

Quoted By: >>5832161

>>5832149
>My impression of Ajax is a hawk, though. He never really shies away from a fight or battle. And I believe Electra's assessment of him painted him as a hawk as well.

Will we have to eat hawk eggs as our next test?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 11:02:46 No.5832161 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832160
>NIKANDROS! Go summit mt. Ida and consume the eagle eggs to attain their power! Do this or you will not be invited to Teukros' sleepovers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Thu 16 Nov 2023 11:26:39 No.5832166 Report

Quoted By: >>5832168 >>5832172

wait why did Odysseus got beaten by a Daimon?

i don't really like to try and bring Teukros into this conspiracy, i feel like learning a bit more of the language from him would work better

but to get a test from Ajax now that everybody is pissed would probably mean swimming in full armor

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 11:32:43 No.5832168 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832166
>wait why did Odysseus got beaten by a Daimon?
I think that's a euphemism. Either to refer to the headbutt Philowhatever gave him or to say that maybe someone hit him with a sock full of pennies in his sleep since they blame him and his advice for the bad wind.

But hey you never really know, huh?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 11:37:47 No.5832172 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832166

Whoops, maybe I was unclear - Odysseus has had a broken nose from his wrestling match with King Phil on Lesbos. It’s only been 7-10 days since you all escaped Lesbos, so he’s still healing.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 12:37:40 No.5832197 Report

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It is time to make your play for alliance with Teukros, the dark-featured bastard of Telamon.

There’s no single moment where the decision crystallizes in your mind – but after days of dragging the galleys ashore for brief respites, and sprints back into the water for frenzied rowing against the currents, you have plenty of time to contemplate the advantages of speaking to him now, before Ilion is reached.

And finally, at long last – you find your mind is clear; your thoughts quick and fluid…

>FADING CONCUSSION MALUS is now REMOVED

friendly reminder – don’t lose fights, or I will punish Nikon severely, assuming he survives the fight. Read Deianira’s Sidestory if you don’t believe me.

The relief is crushing – you resolve never to lose a training bout in such humiliating fashion again, and certainly not against Tydides for a second time. You’d prefer not to add another dose of shame to the confused brew of emotions when you consider the greatest of the Epigoni – the King of Argos, and also the man who extinguished the greater part of your extended noble family…

You put his offenses out of your mind for now.

As Palamedes once advised you – Teukros is the son of Hesione, one of King Priam’s elder daughters, who was stolen away from Ilion by Telamon decades ago. This makes him both a bastard of Telamon, and the grandson of King Priam himself. As a result, Teukros will have more standing in Ilion than the rest of the diplomatic party combined, and to boot – the man is fluent in Luwian. The nobility on the vessel (excepting Palamedes) are seemingly blind to this - Ajax and Palamedes are aware of his ancestry, but for the rest, perhaps their prejudices stand in the way of considering the full implications. Even Teukros does not seem to have put the pieces together – he rarely speaks of his Trojan ancestry, and has said nothing about visiting the kingdom of his famous grandfather - one of the wealthiest kings in the Aegean.

If you are to spoil the talks in some fashion, it will not be through winged words – not with Odysseus present to stuff Menelaus’ ears with his own. On the battlefield, if one is overmatched, how does one respond? First, one changes the battlefield, if this can be done. Second, one changes the conditions of the battle, if possible. Third, one subverts the expectations of the enemy, if this can be done. And finally – deceit and trickery are the often the methods by which duels, skirmishes, battles and wars are won – it is the true currency of armed conflict.

Your thoughts finally racing at their typical speed, you resolve to apply these same principles to the diplomatic council. Your own advice during the talks will likely mean close to nothing; you are hardly respected even amongst the Achaeans, and the Trojans will likely ignore you. Teukros, as the bilingual grandson of King Priam, can provide you with the ability to achieve what your counsel alone cannot.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 12:56:04 No.5832204 Report

Quoted By: >>5832205 >>5832207 >>5832211 >>5832212

Teukros, of course, is happy for your company – as you approach him on the sands, during one of the galleys’ many rest stops, he greets you pleasantly. By reflex, you check your surroundings for eavesdroppers, although the pair of you are many strides distant from the nearest Hellenes, with gentle waves lapping at your sandals. None are present - and Odysseus is out of sight.

“Teukros, it is time for us to discuss the council talks,” you begin.

You gently reveal your position – that you are committed to bring about war between Mycenae and Ilion, through any means necessary. For the moment, you leave out your compact with Electra, although you suspect you might need to eventually reveal this to him as well. Teukros, to his credit, takes the information well – you have spoken often of the shame of anonymity to him, and so he is not surprised to learn that you hope to bring about the war for eternal glory.

As for Teukros, you learn that he is somewhat ambivalent to the prospect of Mycenae/Ilion conflict, and furthermore, ambivalent about the return of Helen herself. As a bastard descended from both sides of Aegean, and a Salaminian, he is not terribly bothered by the insult to the Atreidae, and Teukros confesses further that he is not terribly pious either – the breach of ξενία by Paris does not enrage him, like it could enrage a devout man.

With your positions clearly identified, it is time to make your case to your Salaminian friend….

>Here’s a quick breakdown of the respect/regard mechanics I’ve developed for persuasion attempts for the diplomatic council (and beyond). Essentially, a person is more likely to hew to the counsel of someone they respect, versus an unknown party. As respect increases, additional context die are provided to the persuader. Nikandros has reached the status of trusted friend, and therefore he has an extra context die for his attempt. Additionally, upon success, a respected person will see greater impact of their words, if the persuasion impact succeeds.

>As for regard, this is simply a measure of how well-liked the person is – Nikon will enjoy a substantial numerical bonus to his persuasion attempt. With respect to the council meeting itself, there are really two axes of movement for a person's position – one axis for a war/peace orientation, and another axis for the return of Helen. Nikon will be attempting to move Teukros closer to his own position (which is to say, he wants war with Ilion and right now, he also wants Helen to stay in Ilion, since this will greatly increase the chances of conflict)

>Before we actually roll, I’ll request smart write-in for Nikon’s persuasion attempt, given that this is a fairly important roll – I’ll provide up to a +1-3 additional bonus, if an anon provides a cogent and persuasive argument why Teukros should support the war and how that might be a good idea for him. The write-in window will close at 12pm EST, and then we'll roll!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 16 Nov 2023 13:01:23 No.5832205 Report

Quoted By: >>5832217

>>5832204
Teukros I sense the hand of the divine guiding our diplomatic mission and I fear that should the talks turn towards peace something horrible may befall us. Not to mention that we will all look weak by seeking peace to strongly when we are the wronged party.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 13:08:59 No.5832207 Report

Quoted By: >>5832259 >>5832365

>>5832204
Could talk about how the oath not being upheld would lead to bloodshed at home, Nikon’s sister would be in danger, and that this is an opportunity for him and Nikon to earn acclaim and wealth to rise from their lowly positions. I’m assuming both Nikon and Teukros don’t want to see their homes engulfed in war.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cvyer87Y Thu 16 Nov 2023 13:19:08 No.5832211 Report

Quoted By: >>5832214 >>5833185

>>5832204
me from >>5831035
Point out that if Helen isn't returned, the Oath of Tyndareus will be voided, and Salamis will certainly be drawn into the ensuing wars. Worse, the Hittites may sense weakness and be tempted to invade while Greece is at war with itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 13:19:13 No.5832212 Report

Quoted By: >>5832217 >>5832365

>>5832204
>"Teukros my friend, we must talk about the peace talks. I believe that is of utmost importance that Menelaus does not accept anything less then the return of Helen, of the treasures stolen and the humiliation of Paris. The peace within Greece depends on agreement built on top of their marriage, and that both parties keep their appearance of strength. Back home in Thessaly, there was no shortage of nobles dreaming of kingship, and kings dreaming of even higher. And while I too dream of glory and riches that war may bring, these wolves would rather attack their fellow greeks rather then crush the barbaroi or people of other lands. I have no doubt that if we return home with the Atreidai appearing weak, it will not be long before one of them they make their moves, and the rest will follow suit, dragging the rest of our homeland with them."
>"And I there's something else I feel I should reveal to you. When I revealed Achilles' deception withing the court of, I've learned from him that he was fated to fight in the war of Troy, and that was a an attempt by his divine mother to avoid it. It's clear to me that there are forces beyond us mortals involved in this potential conflict."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 13:21:34 No.5832214 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832211
Oh yeah, it's good to mention that if Greece spirals into internal war, an united outside force could make their move to subjugate it.
We could mention how the king of Lesbos was already a king put in the throne by their hand.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 13:25:55 No.5832217 Report

Quoted By: >>5832218

>>5832212
The part about Achilles and the gods can be cut if other anons want it, I only added it because this anon mentioned something like it >>5832205

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cvyer87Y Thu 16 Nov 2023 13:28:14 No.5832218 Report

Quoted By: >>5832251

>>5832217
Better to cut it out since Teukros isn't very pious.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 14:50:42 No.5832251 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832218
In that case I'll retract it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Thu 16 Nov 2023 14:58:44 No.5832259 Report

Quoted By: >>5832365

From what I remember about Teukros in the quest, he was always portrayed as a bit of a black sheep, ever in the (admittedly big) shadow of Ajax, despite having no small amount of talent, training and pedigree in his own right. It seems like Nikon was his first friend, someone who approached him and engaged with him as equals and for himself. Aside from Nikon, he seems to value his brother and especially his trojan mother. He might have some understated desire for glory, due to his Hellenic upbringing, and to establish himself as his own man.

With that, the most effective levers seem to be (1) the safety of his mother, which would (might) be better if the troops are fighting flowing haired barbarians abroad rather than racist neighbors at home (2) the opportunity to gain glory as teukros, master archer, as opposed to teukros son of telamon or teukros brother of ajax (3) rather shamefully, we can also bank on his desire to support Nikon's happiness, being as he is his first friend. I would like to focus on these things most.

On the other hand, he seems to not care overmuch for divine desires, patriotic overtures, or the plight of the common man. I would like to avoid these.

I think the most straightforward approach is to tell him about our deal with Elektra. With our poor lands, low liquidity, and dearth of suitably glorious opponents at home, this war is our only chance at escaping the ignominious death of our father, and at obtaining a suitable dowry for our incidentally very beautiful and talented sister. While he presumably has no lack of timae and opportunities for advancement, war here would be safer for dear old mum and helps out his good friend Nikon, who will return the favor. While we're at it, a stronger Hellas, who are -I think, at this point- not a naval power, and a weaker Ilion and friends, a known trade hub with ships who dont like pirates very much, might be preferable to Salamis.

I'm not too sure if we should mention his Luwian pedigree and fluency, because it might feel too much like we just befriended him for Elektra's mission. I'm hoping that he would have seen our clumsy attempts at approaching everyone, but this feels like a 'dice can and will fuck us' scenario
I'm also not sure about his opinion on wife-stealing, what with his trojan mom and hellenic upbringing. Might be best to avoid directly stating these topics.

classicschads feel free to chump check me on this, i have zero OOC knowledge and incomplete IC

>>5832207
basically this
love how I spent ten minutes typing this out and literally the second reply has the cliffsnotes lmao

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 15:33:51 No.5832274 Report

Quoted By: >>5832291

Friendly bump - write-in window closes at 12:30pm.

Nice to see some thoughtful discussion from the players - I’m very grateful that everyone has stuck around to finish Nik’s story.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Thu 16 Nov 2023 15:49:10 No.5832291 Report

Quoted By: >>5832296

>>5832274
>finish Nikon story

O-ominous wording

anyway this seems like a grand moment to shill our sister to Teukros

"Teukros, my man, should anything happen to me would you go and console my sister in her time of need?"
"you don't need any grand gift, a cool rock will do"

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Thu 16 Nov 2023 15:55:25 No.5832296 Report

Quoted By: >>5832297 >>5832445 >>5832482

>>5832291

I’d peg Nikon’s chances at surviving the war at maybe 30%, but there’s at least two major flex points I have planned along the way that could dramatically alter these odds (both up and down)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WmnnzhQV Thu 16 Nov 2023 15:58:46 No.5832297 Report

Quoted By: >>5832300

>>5832296
Get that combat trait ASAP! Put points into constitution and agility now!!! I’m actually amazed our chances are that high. Do whatever it takes to make it back home!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WmnnzhQV Thu 16 Nov 2023 16:02:40 No.5832300 Report

Quoted By: >>5832305

>>5832297
I’m serious but half joking since based on the rolls we have seen there will be instances where it is impossible to win. However, can you imagine how strong we will be if we survive?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Thu 16 Nov 2023 16:11:27 No.5832305 Report

Quoted By: >>5832312 >>5843094

>>5832300

Per HomerQM, Nik could very well become a combat monster, and match Hector/Diomedes/Ajax, etc.

Realistically, it’s not possible for him to match up against Achilles, but Nikon isn’t insane enough to actually try anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 16:27:02 No.5832312 Report

Quoted By: >>5832315 >>5832318

>>5832305
The only version of Nikon that I think would have any chance of scratching Achilles is a critting MAXIMUM SEER

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cvyer87Y Thu 16 Nov 2023 16:36:20 No.5832315 Report

Quoted By: >>5832332 >>5832341

>>5832312
Speaking of combat builds, I came up with this a while ago.

>Fresh Olympian Blood (+1 All)
>Giant (+4 STR, +4 CON)
>Student of Chiron (+2 STR, +2 CON, +2 AGI, +2 WIL)
>Favored (???)
>Autism (-5 CHA)
>Thessaly (+3 STR, +3 AGI)
>Capaneus
+10 STR, +7 CON, +6 AGI

Imagine the quest up till now with a combat autism build.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Thu 16 Nov 2023 16:39:27 No.5832318 Report

Quoted By: >>5832330

Anons have outlined Nikon's speech to Teukros rather well, I don't think I have anything to add there.

Although I'm curious - anyone remember the idea from thread two that Nikon supports a duel between Paris and Menelaus? Currently I feel that would be the one last Hail Mary up Nikon's sleeve if he doesn't manage to spoil the diplomatic talks any other way - because if he's not gonna get war, he will at least his end of the bargain with Electra!

>>5832312
>MAXIMUM SEER crits and makes Achilles trip on a rock

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cvyer87Y Thu 16 Nov 2023 16:59:44 No.5832330 Report

Quoted By: >>5832335 >>5832365

>>5832318
We know Menelaus is already primed to let the Oath fall apart, so the only convincing argument we have left is that Menelaus himself would look like a spineless cuck if he didn't ask for Helen.
With that in mind, I think we should tell him the following:
>He needs to get Helen back, no ifs or buts, or he'll be the laughingstock of the world
>Hellas itself will be seen as an easy target if its most charismatic and powerful kings can't restore one man's honor
>The only thing that can restore Menelaus' honor is the safe return of Helen and justice for Paris' crime
How would Odysseus refute this? Maybe he would suggest an 'equivalent' payment and make it sound like a compromise?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 17:00:55 No.5832332 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832315
Favored by Ares, no doubt

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 17:03:37 No.5832335 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832330
He already suggested that the equivalent would be for Menelaus to take a wife from Priam's family.
But that still would make it look like he is the sort of man that lets anyone take their wife and treasures. And one that does not care about oath, so an untrustworthy, cowardly cuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Thu 16 Nov 2023 17:08:08 No.5832341 Report

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>>5832315
That's just Ajax

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 17:39:40 No.5832365 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832212
>>5832259
>>5832207
>>5832330

Seeing broad alignment here amongst the players - hope to have the update out within an hour.

I'll be assigning a solid +2 bonus to the attempt here.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:35:32 No.5832378 Report

Quoted By: >>5832380 >>5832381

Rolled 13 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

You marshal your thoughts carefully – no different than arranging your troops along a hilltop, or decisively splitting a petteia board with your playing stones. Winged words escape the barrier of your teeth:

"Teukros - my friend - we must discuss the upcoming peace talks. I believe that it is of utmost importance that Menelaus does not accept anything less than the return of Helen, of all the treasures stolen from him, and full compensation for the violation of ξενία perpetrated by Paris. The peace of Hellas rests upon the marriage of Menelaus and Helen. More importantly, full capitulation of the Trojans will project strength to domestic and foreign enemies of the House of Atreides.”

Teukros nods, clearly following your logic. Emboldened, you continue:

“In Thessaly, there was no shortage of nobles dreaming of the kingship of Phthia, and I suspect that even Peleus dreams of the throne of Mycenae - if not for himself, than for his son, Achilles. And while I too dream of the glory and riches that war may bring, these opportunists would rather attack their fellow Hellenes, rather than crush the barbaroi of Illyria or Thrace. I have no doubt that if we return home with the Atreidae, and the Oath of Tyndareus violated, it will not be long before one of these aspiring tyrants plunges into civil strife - the rest of Hellas soon to follow. If the Lord of Marches is set loose amongst Hellas, how long until my beautiful sister, Deianira, is threatened in my home estates? How long until the citadel of Salamis and your mother, Hesione, come under attack?”

You shake your head in honest consternation - the reality is that you could not protect Deianira - not with your current resources. Teukros’ eyebrows knit together at this, concern readily visible on his refined features. You make the final strike, the excitement in your voice ringing clear:

“If there must be war – let there be war in the Troad! It is House of Laomedon that has prompted this conflict, and so let the heavy burden of battle fall upon their people. And I will say this – Teukros – if there is war in the Troad, there will glory enough for bastards and impoverished nobleman alike. A man like you might carve out his own legend. Not Teukros, bastard of Telamon, or Teukros, brother of impervious Ajax, but “Teukros Far-shooter, master of the bow"! If we are to ascend beyond our station, Teukros, and protect our families, we must go to war and win glory, Timae and the respect of all Hellas. There is no other way."

"Teukros - I ask for your assistance in ensuring that Menelaus receives full restitution from the Trojans and the return of Helen - and if King Priam refuses, I ask for your assistance in bringing the talks to ruin, and for your assistance in defending our families - by any means necessary."

You let silence fall now - let your words rest within Teukros' mind. You hold your breath with anticipation - much depends on his reaction.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:36:50 No.5832379 Report

Quoted By: >>5832380 >>5832385 >>5832386 >>5832396

Rolled 17 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

Oops and here's the other Teukros will roll.

Okay, from the players - I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+5 to determine whether Nikandros succeeds in his persuasion attempt, and if so, by how many degrees of success.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:39:04 No.5832380 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832378
>>5832379
We need to roll a 13+

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:39:29 No.5832381 Report

Quoted By: >>5832383 >>5832384 >>5832387 >>5832392

Rolled 19 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5832378

please don’t shit the bed with the rolls.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:40:30 No.5832383 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832381
YES! There we go gentlemen. The Teukros bromance is a success, as per usual.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:41:23 No.5832384 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832381
Based.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:42:35 No.5832385 Report

Quoted By: >>5832387 >>5832389 >>5832392

Rolled 2 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5832379
Prayers to Athena for wisdom and diplomacy? Or would it be Hermes for eloquence and speechcraft?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:42:36 No.5832386 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 18 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5832379
1

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:44:22 No.5832387 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832385
Certainly neither of them, indecision smiles upon no one, clearly.

>>5832381
Though Someone is looking out for us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:46:46 No.5832389 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832385
She is helping that faggot Odysseus, she isn't getting our prayers

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:50:27 No.5832392 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832381
>>5832385

Need one last roll of dice+1d20+5, gents, but nicely done.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AzT6wgHI Thu 16 Nov 2023 18:52:11 No.5832396 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 10 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5832379
Nikon continues to be illegally persuasive

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:10:21 No.5832423 Report

Quoted By: >>5832436

>24 vs 18, two degrees of success, nice!

Teukros stares into the shallows, the heat of late July beating down on the pair of you. The ocean breeze is refreshing, but arid – the sweat evaporates from your body quickly. The gulls call out their prayers to the Olympians – harsh pleas for food and succor.
Teukros turns to you, and replies:

“All you say is fair and orderly, Nikandros. It is not enough for Helen to return with Menelaus – it must be full restitution, as you say. Anything less creates the appearance of weakness and lack of resolve. I am too young to remember the fight against the Heraclidae - but always, my father speaks of their potential return; wolves prowling outside the cattlepen. If Menelaus cannot even protect his marriage bed, how can he protect the Peloponnese? It would be the only sign needed for the sons and grandsons of Herakles to launch their assault.”

He extends a hand – and you grasp it firmly. “Then, we are agreed – Teukros. The return of Helen, and full restitution…or war against Ilion.” He nods solemnly, the gravity of the oath clear to him.

>To disambiguate, you guys have successfully moved Teukros’ positions on the council meeting to your own – two successes was enough to do it, at your current relationship level.

You spend the remainder of the morning speaking with Teukros – surprisingly, he has spent little time considering the council itself and what might be done to bring about your desired outcome. You get the sense that he had truly believed this to be out of his hands, and that his superiors would decide the matter. You confess your perspective – that together, your counsel is likely to be ignored. Therefore, you must consider alternate actions outside of the council meeting itself. The idea that the pair of you might dramatically influence the outcome of the meeting is shocking to him, at first, but he quickly warms to the concept.

That being said, much is yet unclear – it is unknown who amongst the Trojans will be present at the talks, beyond King Priam, what access you might have to the Trojan council members, to the city of Ilion proper, and most importantly, what the disposition of the Trojan council members may be. Without any other option available to you, Teukros and yourself must simply wait, before any scheming can be done in earnest.

---

Mid-day meal is yet more stringy cattle and heavily-watered wine - the provenance of the Dioscuri's previous cattle raid and the last dregs of Samian wine. You are grateful, but the quality of -

"Spearmen approaching from the north!"

The plaintive cries of the sprinting sentry down into the hillside leave no room for misinterpretation - the galleys are under attack! A brazen horn sounds loudly, ringing across the beachside - Ajax is blowing fiercely atop the foredeck of his ship!

You sprint towards the Salaminian vessel for your bronze, even as the crews do the same - the beach is suddenly chaos as men fly in all directions!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:19:09 No.5832436 Report

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>>5832423
>Heraclidae
The damned Dorians will have their time in the sun, even if they never beaten the thessalonians

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:25:39 No.5832445 Report

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>>5832296
>I’d peg Nikon’s chances at surviving the war at maybe 30%
I refuse. Nikon shall not die. He will come back and bring Nira a husband. He will become a great king and legendary hero.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:32:11 No.5832455 Report

Quoted By: >>5832463 >>5832473 >>5832475 >>5832476 >>5832482 >>5832484 >>5832502 >>5832537 >>5832600 >>5832630 >>5832646

Seconds later, you stand upon the foredeck of the Salaminian vessel, wearing your bronze and bearing your Lebinthian arms. The nobility has rapidly assembled to listen to the breathless Salaminian sentry – a silver-footed young man who reports that five stadia distant, two squadrons of spearman are moving quickly in this direction.

“They march in formation, Lord Menelaus – they are drilled soldiers! They must have crawled through the grass and crept through the fields to come so close!” You curse under your breath – there’s little time to prepare – perhaps only minutes before they attack. Fighting upon the sand with the ships at your back is hardly preferable – the men would be slaughtered if the lines break. If you are to fight, the crews must sprint to the nearest hilltop and the stand must be taken there. If your forces are to flee, they must do so immediately and force the enemy to attack from the beachside.

Ajax and Menelaus, conferring together, come to the same conclusions as you do –

Menelaus is first to speak – “We must take a stand on the hill to the northeast – we must slaughter the dogs here and now, and scare off any other hostile forces in the area! We cannot risk fighting on the beaches or a night raid!”

Ajax is next – “With respect, King Menelaus – we are not positioned adequately, we do not know whether additional forces are nearby – we must retreat now, and lead them on a chase at sea. I trust in my sailors and in the craftmanship of the galleys – they cannot hope to match us in the water. Even better, they may give up the assault if we are quick.”

The other nobility make their voices heard – Odysseus, as well as Castor, vote to flee. Teukros, as is his habit, votes to abstain. Palamedes, to your surprise, aligns with Menelaus, and to your expectation, so does Pollux.

Menelaus, his natural good humor absent, turns to you last –

“What say you, young Thessalian? Stand and fight, or take our chances in the water?”

>What do, /qst/? This vote will close at 8pm EST.

>Stand and fight atop the nearest hill

>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle).

>Abstain

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:38:18 No.5832463 Report

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>>5832455
>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle).

I trust ajax more than yoooou

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:WmnnzhQV Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:41:32 No.5832468 Report

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They expect us to stand and fight. It is unwise to give the enemy what they expect.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:42:19 No.5832473 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832455
>>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle).
They snuck up until they last minute. There'd be no way to time that properly with ships for a combined arms ambush. If they do have a fleet around it should be far enough off that they couldn't get the drop on us. And if we abandon the ships they may just interpose themselves and start to loot our vessels in front of us should they be so bold.

Damn I wish we could swim though.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:43:32 No.5832475 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832455
>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle).
>"I have seen the work of the salamian sailors first hand, Ajax speaks the truth of their skill with ship and spear. If there is to be a confrontation, then let us make sure it will happen in a way that favors us."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:44:05 No.5832476 Report

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>>5832455
>>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:54:50 No.5832482 Report

Quoted By: >>5832492

>>5832296
For me to increase the chances beside being good in combat, he needs to become a better commander. Bare minimum we need him learned in greek, being able to inspire the men and know more about warfare and weaponry.

>>5832455
>>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle).
In truth while they are a bit many, we could attempt to rush ahead in the grass with a group of men, and do a sneak attack surprise from behind while they attack the rest of our men at the beach. If they are coming here they are coming for the ships not check the surroundings.
But is risky. Still we don't know if they have ships out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Thu 16 Nov 2023 19:56:21 No.5832484 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832455
>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:09:36 No.5832492 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832482
On top of this there is four other benefits (with a good plan) on fighting here :
- Hilly terrain, just like home for Nikandros.
- Multiple heroes, this means plenty of deaths and wounded from combat start and end for the enemy. Better morale for us
- Good soldiers, the men are anything but greenies
- No sea and thus no risk of death by equipment weight

But the unknown of how many enemy ships are coming is a big one. More land reinforcements might also be moving (larger formations take time to arrive so it wouldn't be that easy or fast) too.

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Anonymous ID:uQjApq8l Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:22:18 No.5832502 Report

Quoted By: >>5832522 >>5832600

>>5832455
>“What say you, young Thessalian? Stand and fight, or take our chances in the water?”

If I have to choose between you and water, I prefer water.

Hanged anon (Formly curious anon)

Hanged anon (Formly curious anon) ID:8iR/7dPP Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:29:30 No.5832519 Report

Quoted By: >>5832522 >>5832526

[/spoilers] Is this how you spoiler your comments? [/spoilers]

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:31:13 No.5832522 Report

Quoted By: >>5832528

>>5832502
Hey now anon, let's not let our personal opinions cloud our judgement. We're going to have to do things and with people we don't like if we want to survive the war.

Like interacting with Odysseus once the war kicks off. We'll have to do it. Of course, he'll probably want us dead for helping kick the war off. The prick.

>>5832519
ctrl+s makes it a lot easier.

Hanged anon (Formly curious anon)

Hanged anon (Formly curious anon) ID:8iR/7dPP Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:31:40 No.5832524 Report

Quoted By: >>5832529

[spoilers] Oh this is how you spoiler it! [/spoilers]

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Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:32:59 No.5832526 Report

Quoted By: >>5832532

>>5832519
No, spoiler it's like this.
Or just select what you want and press control + s

Hanged anon (Formly curious anon)

Hanged anon (Formly curious anon) ID:8iR/7dPP Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:33:54 No.5832528 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832522
Oh, I see thanks Anon!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:34:00 No.5832529 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832524
Don't put spoiler in plural

Hanged anon (Formly curious anon)

Hanged anon (Formly curious anon) ID:8iR/7dPP Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:35:28 No.5832532 Report

Quoted By: >>5832541

>>5832526
Goddamn it, alright then, dont leave spaces behind, hit the spoiler tag, and ctrl+s, gotcha!

Please for the love of Zues's magnificent bolt, dont fail me now!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:38:28 No.5832537 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832455
>Stand and fight atop the nearest hill

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Thu 16 Nov 2023 20:46:31 No.5832541 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832532
You can put space actually

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Thu 16 Nov 2023 21:52:31 No.5832600 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832455
>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle)

were we to remain and they have ships to blockade us we would end up stranded here, and if they have a host big enough to overcome us all their soldiers may not fit in their ships.

>>5832502
good meme, this must be what the fight build persuading attempt would have been like.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Thu 16 Nov 2023 22:40:04 No.5832630 Report

Quoted By: >>5832634

>>5832455
>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle).

Naval battles are cool

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 22:45:10 No.5832634 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832630
Optimally we focus on retreating if they sail up to get some. If they have three ships we'll be in trouble. If they have more we'd be basically helpless.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 16 Nov 2023 23:00:18 No.5832646 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832455
>Flee the beaches (and potentially risk a naval battle).

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 01:34:43 No.5832751 Report

Quoted By:

Looks like a clear consensus for “let’s GTFO”.

Hoping to get one more update out before 12pm EST

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 03:26:08 No.5832829 Report

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You don’t hesitate –

“King Menelaus, lord of men – we must retreat from the beach and force a pursuit at sea. We have the strongest advantage there, and it is possible that they give up the chase once their ambush fails.”

Menelaus breathes deeply, his bearded face framed with his ruddy mane – his typical good humor is not present, and he instead projects absolute focus on the matter at hand. He has the appearance of a regal lion, with the sea air ruffling his beard and hair. He looks about all of you, nobility of Hellas, standing atop the foredeck, and then he nods, his decision made.

You cover your ears – you know the look of a commander about to give orders at a deafening volume.

“CREWS! WE LEAVE THE BEACH NOW! NOW! NOW! SWEEP NORTH AT ALL SPEED!”

There is controlled pandemonium as the crews race to their respective vessels, preparing to draw them into the shallows. You’ve barely taken two strides before Ajax is grasping you at the neck – “Follow me, Nikandros!”

You leap to the sands, and join Ajax Telamonios at the stern of his Salaminian vessel – he braces his shoulder against the oak and gestures for you to do the same. “No time to argue – we need every second!”

You place your hands widely against the ship, and as Salaminian crewmen join the effort along the sides, heave with all your power. The ship is moving in fits and starts, building momentum as the grade of descent towards the water increases. Hot fire sears your veins, and in the distance, you hear the brazen horns of the adversary – clearly, they have given up any chance at subtlety in favor of the charge.

Step after step, you drive your feet through the soft sand into the hard-packed earth below – looking to your side, you see that Menelaus’ vessel has not made the same progress, despite all Spartan hands assisting the retreat. Menelaus himself is urging the men on, and Odysseus is coordinating pushes amongst the crew, but their vessel isn’t moving quickly – some quirk of the sandy beach has created a depression under their ship’s bow and stymies their efforts. Odysseus is quick to respond, leaping into the ship and tossing out a number of oars – you watch as he guides the Spartans in placing the oars underneath the ship, using the leverage to hoist it up and out of the sandy pit. All the while, you continue to strain with Ajax, your muscles burning.

The brazen horns are growing louder, and for the first time, you hear the shout of the enemy commander carried on a seaward gust – “Pelasgen, houd gelijke tred! Blijf opladen!’ The man’s voice cuts through the air clearly like an enormous bell.

Turning your attentions back to your own efforts, the Salaminian galley hits the shallows with an enormous splash, and the ship is borne aloft by the shoulders of briny Pontos. You heave a sigh of relief as you prepare to board the vessel, but Ajax growls in frustration...

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 03:28:57 No.5832833 Report

Quoted By: >>5832834 >>5832836

“Behind you!”

You peer along the ridge of the nearest hilltop – and you see them. Organized troops in matching equipment, beginning their sprint down to the shore - still more than a stadia distant. You don’t recognize their equipment, of course, but it looks of hide manufacture, and the men are light-skinned. There’s no mistaking that the man who leads him is of the nobility – his panoplia gleams in the sun, and he sprints ahead of his men, fluidly loping through the bushes and over rocky passes like a panther. His cries are unceasing and becoming clearer all the time, as he flies downhill.

Ajax grabs at your neck once more -

“Nikandros – Menelaus’ vessel won’t make it into the water in time without your strength! I want you pushing the Spartans into the water NOW, and then I want you on their oars! GO!”

You freeze – Ajax is commanding you directly to join the vessel that houses Odysseus – what is better, to disobey Ajax or risk Odysseus’ discovery of your conspiracy? You have only a fraction of a second to decide!

>FLASH VOTE - FIRST VOTE WINS

>Disobey Ajax, join the Salaminian vessel, and let Menelaus and Odysseus fend off the attackers on their own.

>Obey Ajax, assist the Spartans in their escape!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 03:30:01 No.5832834 Report

Quoted By: >>5832835

>>5832833
>Obey Ajax, assist the Spartans in their escape!

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 03:30:24 No.5832835 Report

Quoted By: >>5832838

>>5832834

Locked in - writing now!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 03:30:45 No.5832836 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832833
>Obey Ajax, assist the Spartans in their escape!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 03:31:52 No.5832838 Report

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>>5832835
I'm not sure I like this flash vote system thing, even though I won.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 03:36:41 No.5832842 Report

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While I would have voted just to get them in the water so we don't get fucked up, I will say FUCK. If Odysseus DOES piece out why we are here, we'll need to preempt him and go to Menelaus and tell him ourselves so Odysseus can't use it against us. Even though either way it will hurt us. Menelaus would probably be more amenable to the idea that his niece wanted his family to look strong than whatever bullshit story Odysseus would spin about us being sent here to thwart his efforts to get his wife back.

That being said, stick with Palamedes. Avoid the drippy dick.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 04:08:49 No.5832867 Report

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You’re sprinting across the sands, cursing Ajax and Odysseus both – and the Spartans are thrilled for your assistance. They cheer wildly as they see you approaching, and Menelaus is quick to leap aboard the stern deck of the ship, even as you get into position. Odysseus remains at the bow-end, coordinating the men’s efforts. Now clear of the sandy pit, the ship is making progress – just not fast enough. You brace against the oak of the Spartan vessel, and prepare to explode forwards. To your right, you see Ajax mounting his own stern deck, Castor and Teukros already flanking him with bows at the ready.

You push at the Spartan ship with everything you have, your eyes burning with the pressure – your vision darkens and your ears muffle, and you barely remember to breath. You vaguely hear the slapping of bow strings, and time flickers - your feet become wet, and you’re momentarily confused until a blow shakes your brazen helm. You look skyward and see Odysseus extending an open hand – without reservation, you take it, clambering up the ship’s bowside ladder, and tumble onto the stern deck.

Peering over the low wooden wall of the stern deck, you see that the enemy troops have only just reached the sands, still running towards the ships. The enemy commander is currently darting this way and that, but a consistent volley of arrows from Castor, Teukros, and Palamedes has dissuaded him from charging ahead alone. Bronze panoplia or not, he must not like his chances against three talented archers – he hovers just beyond effective bow range and howls in frustration.

Odysseus is already laughing as he sits besides you, his eyes gleaming with delight – “Zeus on Olympus, lad – you’re built like an ox and can push like ten of them! What a song this will make!” You manage an exhausted grin at his compliment, but the memory of Ajax’s orders comes on the heels of your relief.

“Forgive me, King Odysseus – I was ordered on the oars by Prince Ajax! We must not lose our companions!” Odysseus shrugs in surprise, and waves you forward – be my guest!. You shake the weariness from your flesh and stagger to the rowing benches; your divine flesh speeding your recovery. The Spartans are again only too glad at your assistance, and you lend them what strength you have.

Fortuitously, the northerly winds weaken as the galleys race out of the bay, and turning north, you row with all speed. Only with your assistance are the Spartans able to just barely keep the pace, but even so, Ajax’s vessel is slipping ahead by the barest of margins. Not more than a minute has passed before you hear Odysseus cursing loudly and creatively – you turn your head and see the issue at once. The enemy troops have summited a coastal hill and are now flying a long red banner on a pair of very long poles.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 04:11:33 No.5832869 Report

Quoted By: >>5832871 >>5832936

Rolled 17, 6, 1 = 24 (3d20)

They are only one half of the pincer!

Another moment’s consideration reveals that there must be hostile naval vessels approaching you on the northerly currents – there can no other reason for the enemy spearmen to signal to the north. Odysseus has already scampered to Menelaus, and they are deep in discourse – you cannot hear their discourse from your position on the bench, but Odysseus gesticulates excitedly, before disappearing under the main deck of the ship.

You look ahead... and see a pair of sails on the horizon, just as Menelaus shouts the same to his crew. Rapidly approaching, the ships are not of Hellenic origin – they are clearly of foreign make. Their oars are flashing white in the water.

“Keep pace! We must dodge their ram and avoid them!” Menelaus shouts. From the hold, Odysseus has returned, carrying a large black amphora – bizarre.

>How fun! Another naval encounter, I wasn’t sure you guys would get one during the envoy sidequest.

>I need one roll of dice+1d20+6 to determine initiative for the Spartan vessel. I’m rolling for Ajax, and the two attacking ships (left/right) with the following bonii (+8/+3/-2)

>This is the last update for tonight – we should be able to resolve this naval encounter and put you guys in Troy’s dockyard by Friday night (assuming you live).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 04:12:11 No.5832871 Report

Quoted By: >>5832873

Rolled 14 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5832869

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 04:14:23 No.5832873 Report

Quoted By: >>5832881 >>5832882

>>5832871

Nice, you guys get first strike against the oncomers.

If you guys play your cards right, you might get a little backstory about these guys as well hint - They are listed in the Trojan Catalogue of Allies of Book 2 of Iliad

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 04:22:17 No.5832881 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832873
I assume they are Pelasgians of some description. From their earlier shouting. That should narrow it down a bit. They'll have to be from somewhere along the Aegean.

They're not Cretans, are they? They fight alongside the Trojans I think. I can't recall all the allies off of the top of my head.

But damn the enemy are slow to rouse. Is the right side ship full of holes or something? Dang ol -1 init, whew.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 04:24:18 No.5832882 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832873
I'm going to guess that these are the Pelasgians from Larissa. I don't know if the noble Nikon saw was Hippothous or Pylaeus. Apparently Hippothous gets killed by Ajax in the struggle for Patroclus' body

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Fri 17 Nov 2023 05:10:36 No.5832936 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832869
>large black amphora
Oil? Tar? Something flammable I presume?
>(assuming you live)
Let the dice fall as they may...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uQjApq8l Fri 17 Nov 2023 06:17:48 No.5832996 Report

Quoted By: >>5833000 >>5833052 >>5833380

Out from the west come
A glorious host!
From the mystical hellas where
Gods stand right!
We carved a path through
The blasted shores unknown!
We will make our name known
Carved on rock and stone!

For the hearts and halls
Fight for all your kinsman!
For the elder gods
Uphold your traditions!
Keep in your heart our destiny
For we shall claim the Aegean!

For the hearts and halls
Fight for all your kinsman!
For the elder gods
Uphold your traditions!
Pioneer or warrior
The glory and beyond is yours!

We have been wronged...
For this we shall fight!
The grudges must be settled
All the wrongs made right!
When dawn break
You'll see our weapons burn bright!
Our ancestors watch...
Our heart burn alight!

League of old: Unite!
Show the Aegean your endless might!
Bring the foe to flight!
United we shall reach new heights!
The ancestors forever watch!
And for them, we shall ever march!

Now the time has come!
Rise, my kin, have your weapons high!
Our foes shall feel our spite!
Hellenic wrath, will set them alight!
Our names, they shall forever know!
Our gods and the ancestors high!

Know that the league have arrived!
None shall deter our stride!
Grudges shall be our drive!
Tremble, for the kings have arrived!

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 06:25:03 No.5833000 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832996

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Fri 17 Nov 2023 08:06:43 No.5833052 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832996

Phenomenal work, anon. I’ll use this in the future.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 12:25:27 No.5833177 Report

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As the enemy approaches, the dynamic becomes clear – Ajax’s vessel is further ahead than yours and farther from the shore; Menelaus’ vessel lags behind. This arrangement is mirrored by your opponents – their leading vessel, flying a red banner, is farther from shore and closest to the Salaminian galley, while their lagging vessel, flying a white one, is attempting to square off against your own Spartan ship.

The ships race at each other – but already, you see that Ajax and Menelaus are the superior naval captains. The ship on the left hand (further from shore) jukes ineffectively as it approaches, attempting to draw Ajax into poor positioning. They no doubt assume that Ajax is the average sea captain, but you see no change in the Salaminian vessel’s heading – instead, the oars begin to beat at double-speed. After weeks at sea, you can read the pacing of the strokes better than any script – we will ram you!.

Menelaus himself is cackling loudly – “DO THEY HAVE A WOMAN AT THE HELM?” You continue to row with the Spartans, but spare a glance up at the white-bannered ship between strokes. The enemy galley is discoordinated; their port oars rowing backwards and their starboard oars rowing forwards, some miscommunication from their captain clearly at fault. The enemy ship lists wildly as the enemy captains seeks to restore order – they’re in no position to avoid the first strike.

Odysseus, standing amidships with his strange black amphora, calls out to Menelaus – “Bring us alongside, Menelaus! I am hungry for roast pork!” You look again at the amphora – a massive urn, it’s nearly as tall as Odysseus itself, but clearly fragile – he holds stable against the deck with great caution.

Oil - it must be.

Odysseus turns to you next, shouting – “Nikandros, stop playing with those oars and hold this!” You leap to his aid, and once you take hold of the massive urn, Odysseus disappears once again, scurrying under the hold. He vanishes for only a moment, this time returning with a large wooden chest and – wet cloth?

“Nikandros, when I order it – toss the amphora into their amidships, aim for their mast-box!” Odysseus orders you, his black locks streaming out behind him in the ocean breeze. “Use those muscles well and I’ll put in a good word for you with the King of Sparta!” He adds condescendingly, winking as he does so.

>cont

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 12:34:53 No.5833181 Report

Quoted By: >>5833183 >>5833185

Rolled 1, 17, 19, 12, 6, 9 = 64 (6d20)

You hear a great grinding crash – all aboard your ship glance at Ajax’s vessel ahead, its brazen prow currently tearing an enormous gash through the red-bannered ship’s port-side hull. The Spartans cheer – even to your inexperienced eyes, it’s a mortal wounding of the enemy galley. Livestock, stunned slaves and goods spill out of the belly of the red-bannered galley; it’s clearly out of the fight. Ajax’s vessel hardly slows at all as it rips the guts loose of its victim – once they’re free of the enemy timber, they continue to row almost immediately, no worse for wear.

Your vessel draws close to the white-bannered ship, still wobbling uncertainly in the water – you’re close enough to hear shouting in Luwian; the enemy captain’s voice sounds boyish and frantic – “Nee, nee - op de halve tel! Roei op mijn doel!”

“’Get ready, boy!” Odysseus shouts. “I only have two of those urns!" Odysseus spins to address the crew - "I want ash javelins stacked at our feet NOW!" A handful of Spartan rowers leap off their benches to gather the missiles.

>/qst/, I need THREE rolls of dice+2d20+4 to determine the success of Nikandros/Odysseus’ fire urn attack - this roll is really for Menelaus' positioning. Nikandros and Odysseus are conducting a free action here at the cost of Nikandros leaving the rowing benches.

>I’ll be rolling for the white-bannered vessel to defend with -2/-2 bonii. Each degree of success on the fire attack will create one turn of "stun" on the enemy vessel, as well as a DOT effect (1 fire damage to the ship per success per turn).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Fri 17 Nov 2023 12:36:17 No.5833183 Report

Quoted By: >>5833192

Rolled 15, 4 + 4 = 23 (2d20 + 4)

>>5833181
LETS GO!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 12:37:15 No.5833184 Report

Quoted By: >>5833192

Rolled 6, 8 + 4 = 18 (2d20 + 4)

>17 and 10 to beat

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mklEHWVZ Fri 17 Nov 2023 12:39:04 No.5833185 Report

Quoted By: >>5833186

Rolled 1 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5833181
me from >>5832211

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mklEHWVZ Fri 17 Nov 2023 12:40:06 No.5833186 Report

Quoted By: >>5833192 >>5833295

Rolled 10, 17 + 4 = 31 (2d20 + 4)

>>5833185
How did that happen?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 12:52:08 No.5833192 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833183
>>5833184
>>5833186

>Ship of Spartans rolls a 19, 21 vs 17,10
>Nikon misses the mastbox, but hits their main deck a little off-center, good enough. Enemy sailors freak out for three turns of stun, heavy fire DOT applied.

Nicely done, anons - just as Odysseus planned. Update for 1-3pm EST today.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 15:07:50 No.5833284 Report

Quoted By: >>5833290 >>5833292 >>5833295

Rolled 2, 20, 20 + 1 = 43 (3d20 + 1)

The white-bannered galley rocks wildly in the water – you’re close enough to see the frustration and angry gesticulating from the enemy crew as they attempt to coordinate.

You hoist the man-sized black amphora above your head – for you, it’s a simple effort. You feel the heavy sloshing of oil within; out of the corner of your eye, you see Odysseus kneeling, opening the chest he had withdrawn from the hold. Within, you see a charred log, crusted with sand – beneath its sand coating, you can see that it’s still red-hot from the campfires that your party had abandoned only minutes ago.

Odysseus look at up you and commands – “Cast, lad! Do it now!”

And so you do, heaving the amphora over the remaining fifteen strides of distance towards the enemy deck. It spins and tumbles through the air, just narrowly missing the mastbox and shattering against the far rowing benches and drenching that region of the deck. It’s not just oil within – some black, tarry substance is also mixed within. An errant gust of wind brings the acrid scents of spoiled wine to your nose.

Odysseus has wrapped the wet cloths around his hands, and without delay, grasps the still-smoking log from his sand-chest – he tosses it with expert precision, striking the oiled deck of the enemy deck. Sparks and embers fly in all directions – the oil ignites instantly, emitting a cloud of a blue flame. One of the enemy sailors, his legs coated with the oily mixture, shrieks in agony as his legs burn, the flesh roasting. Two of his companions, terrified, leap into the sea on the far side of the ship to escape the small blaze.

Menelaus is demanding that the Spartans “ROW FASTER, DOGS! BRING US AWAY!” and the Spartan ship is angling away again. Odysseus smacks you across the breastplate with an ash javelin –

“Don’t stand there slack-jawed, boy – pick off the enemy before they can put the fire out!” and with that, he casts a javelin into the side of one of the enemy sailors – wailing, the man drops to the deck and is trampled by his peers. You quickly scoop a javelin up yourself and let it fly – it takes a grizzled sailor in the heart, and he topples limply over the port-side deck wall of the ship into the brine. You hear the slap of a bow-string, and Palamedes catches another in the guts, its edged point penetrating an unlucky man’s bowels.

The blaze is quickly growing into an inferno – the dry oak of the enemy vessel quick to burn. The enemy sailors cry out desperately – they dare not approach the flames and risk death by spearcast, and with the boat still listing, their return fire is ineffective. As your vessel passes by the stern of the ship, a flash of bronze catches your eye – the enemy captain is scrambling to his stern-deck, his boyish voice raised in a screech as he hefts his spear!

Reus, ik stuur je naar de Gastheer van Velen!

>I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+5 to defend against the enemy captain's spearcast!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Nxqc2Jvj Fri 17 Nov 2023 15:12:52 No.5833290 Report

Quoted By: >>5833304

Rolled 3 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5833284
mortal got chops

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 15:17:07 No.5833292 Report

Quoted By: >>5833304

Rolled 5 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5833284

do not fail me now, dice

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mklEHWVZ Fri 17 Nov 2023 15:21:34 No.5833295 Report

Quoted By: >>5833304 >>5833313

Rolled 18 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5833284
me from >>5833186
Now the seas are conspiring with the rivers.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 15:32:58 No.5833304 Report

Quoted By: >>5833306 >>5833313 >>5833321 >>5833335

Rolled 17, 4, 16 + 3 = 40 (3d20 + 3)

>>5833290
>>5833292
>>5833295

>haha, wow - I thought Nik was taking a real shot here for sure. I would have made you guys roll dice+1d5+1 for damage taken, potentially a very serious wound.
>23 vs 21 - another VERY narrow success from Nikandros.

To your dread, the enemy's spear is a perfect cast - fury lending the enemy captain purity of focus. The pitiless bronze of the oncoming spear flashes directly at your throat - you only just manage to raise your father's gleaming bronze disc in time. The spear deflects away from you and embeds itself deeply into the oaken deck behind you, only just missing the legs of a Salaminian rower. Odysseus whistles nonchalantly as he inspects the scratching and denting of your bronze shield - he's clearly unruffled at the prospect of your potential wounding.

You bend down quickly to scoop up an ash javelin for a return cast - you wouldn't dare cast your Lebinthian spear and lose it in the process. The enemy captain is just within casting range - he's currently volleying insults at you in Luwian, apparently believing himself safe.

You balance the ash javelin and whip your arm forwards - let him turn this aside!

>I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+6 for a return cast!
>let's see if you can peg the fucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Nxqc2Jvj Fri 17 Nov 2023 15:34:15 No.5833306 Report

Quoted By: >>5833327 >>5833335

Rolled 15 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5833304
GIT

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mklEHWVZ Fri 17 Nov 2023 15:46:46 No.5833313 Report

Quoted By: >>5833327 >>5834503

Rolled 7 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5833304
me from >>5833295

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Fri 17 Nov 2023 15:59:21 No.5833321 Report

Quoted By: >>5833327

Rolled 5 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5833304

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:03:52 No.5833327 Report

Quoted By: >>5833328 >>5833330

>>5833306
>>5833313
>>5833321

Nice nice nice

Now I need a dice+1d4+6 to determine damage dealt (you guys are using an inferior spear compared to your normal weapon). On 9 damage, I’ll roll for permanent wounds for the enemy captain, and on 10 damage, you guys kill him outright.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:imyWt+Es Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:05:05 No.5833328 Report

Quoted By: >>5833335 >>5833336

Rolled 3 + 6 (1d4 + 6)

>>5833327

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:mklEHWVZ Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:07:17 No.5833330 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 1 + 6 (1d4 + 6)

>>5833327
Lady Tyche is not without a sense of comedic irony.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:10:50 No.5833335 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833304
>>5833306
>>5833328

damn, get fucked sweet prince

we've just made a powerful enemy of this boy's father i guess

on the plus if they reach Troy in time and reveal themselves to be allied it will surely spoil the talks..

on the other if the father is hardcore enough he could request a duel and destroy us as for certain a few sailors could describe us.

unless the thing about attacking envoys applies, even if we did raid the peasants. (though usually nobles don't care about peasants i guess)

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:16:02 No.5833336 Report

Quoted By: >>5833337 >>5833338

>>5833328

Fun! You guys give him something to remember you by

Now I need a dice+1d7 to determine which permanent wound he receives!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:imyWt+Es Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:17:03 No.5833337 Report

Quoted By: >>5833348

Rolled 6 (1d7)

>>5833336

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:17:07 No.5833338 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 7 (1d7)

>>5833336
1d7, eh? How about a parting gift!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uQjApq8l Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:20:01 No.5833341 Report

Quoted By:

>Some light skinned trained soldiers come out of nowhere
>They try to trap us with an army and two ships
>Somehow they dont who they were fighting

Is this a Electra op to spoil the talks? To attack the envoy with a beatable force before reaching Troy so they are all edgy and mad?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:36:59 No.5833348 Report

Quoted By: >>5833351

>>5833337

He’ll remember this day forever but will never speak of it

Anyways this will definitely come up again later…

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ii5+P17a Fri 17 Nov 2023 16:41:09 No.5833351 Report

Quoted By: >>5833386

>>5833348
>Spoiler
I can't believe Nikon javelin'd that man's nuts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Fri 17 Nov 2023 17:33:14 No.5833380 Report

Quoted By:

>>5832996
Extremely based.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:4rhsR008 Fri 17 Nov 2023 17:42:33 No.5833386 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833351
I think he literally won’t be able to speak of it. That javelin must’ve gone into his throat and damaged his vocal cords.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 19:30:14 No.5833478 Report

Quoted By: >>5833495 >>5833504

Rolled 19, 18, 16, 18, 12 = 83 (5d20)

Your parting gift to the enemy – whoever he is – is the ash javelin that devastates his face. He collapses like a straw puppet, and you hear the distant racket of his panoplia clattering upon him. Odysseus turns to you –

“A fine cast, Thessalian. Let us hope that his shade wanders before the crossing of Styx for a hundred years*.”

You breathe deeply in satisfaction as you watch your victim’s vessel burn. The enemy crew hasn’t been able to effectively control the flames, and with the death or incapacitation of their captain, there is no one to marshal a coordinated response. Between the crew that were murdered, and the inferno raging amidships, the white-bannered ship is no longer a threat. It steadily diminishes in size as the Spartans row north. Likewise, Ajax has not returned to the red-bannered vessel for looting – perhaps he feels the risk of a second attack outweighs the reward

Menelaus orders the raising of a brown flag to signal to the Salaminian vessel, and Ajax responds his raising his own brown flag. With both enemy vessels crippled and with the possibility of further hostile vessels in the area, the captains have agreed to proceed north to Ilion at all speed.

Or at least – Odysseus explains that this is the plan. The man is an unending stream of pleasantries, insights, humorous asides and explanations. When he notices your confusion as you gaze upon the brown signal flags, he cannot help himself by launching into a soliloquy proving you with extensive details about the mechanics of the naval flag system used by Achaean mariners.

After only ten minutes of rowing against the current, the galleys pass by a promontory jutting out from the Troad coast – and to the excitement of Menelaus, it is clearly the beachhead from which the two enemy vessels have launched from. Two enemy vessels remain beached on the promontory, and there is no sign of the spearmen who had attempted to ambush you at your campsite. The fools who charged you earlier have left their vessels undefended, and you’ve beaten them back to their own camp! Looking behind you, there’s a clear view of the hilltop from which the hostile spearmen had flown their red banner, although it is now absent, as you inspect the coastline to the south.

Menelaus is ecstatic – a chance to fill your holds without a fight is every sea raider’s dream. As you join the stern-deck with Palamedes, Odysseus is already there, filling the man’s head with his words. You halfway expected Odysseus to advise ignoring the beached ships and moving north at all speed, but this is not quite the case:

“Menelaus, we must burn the ships – we cannot risk being hounded for every oarstroke. Pull the galley into the shallows and the Thessalian and I will burn the rest; meet us on the other side of the jetty!"

*Odysseus is referencing the Greek belief that unavenged souls must wait for a full century before they are allowed passage into the underworld.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 19:51:17 No.5833495 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833478
>not a single roll below a ten
But hey, too bad we didn't obliterate his skull, but at least now his taunting tongue has been struck for its hubris. He's not gonna win any beauty pageants from here on!

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 19:58:03 No.5833504 Report

Quoted By: >>5833506 >>5833508 >>5833514 >>5833547 >>5833563 >>5833565 >>5833595 >>5833600 >>5833649 >>5833740 >>5833744 >>5833875

>>5833478

Menelaus splutters his objections, but Odysseus parries each of them deftly - wearing down his friend's objections. Finally, Menelaus relents and within minutes, you find yourself wading through waist-high seawater, holding another of Odysseus' oil amphorae. You curse your situation venomously - you are not so insane as to reject a direct order from King Menelaus, and thus you had no choice but to join Odysseus. The Spartan galley set off immediately, hoping to use the promontory as a screen. The Salaminians follow Menelaus' lead, leaving you ashore with Odysseus.

Odysseus chatters about the glory of the beach raid (that you are currently conducting) as you reach the sands, and he is already testing melodies and lyrics. You scowl as you notice that your own name does not appear to be featured, but godlike King of Ithaka's daring is remarked upon by the gods of Olympus and the Moirae, besides...

This time, Odysseus has no chest of embers, so he must sprint up the ridge of the promontory looking for suitable sticks to fashion into a fire-bow. As for you - you approach the nearest beached vessel (this one with a blue flag, the other with a yellow one) and simply toss the black amphora upon the stern-deck. It smashes suitable well, and the oil concoction spills through the gaps in the oak, soaking it thoroughly. You stand at the ready, waiting for Odysseus' return - and he is quick to reappear, carrying a log and a variety of sticks. You watch with interest as he begins carving a divot into the log with a large knife, and as he does so, he explains that by furiously spinning one of the sticks within the log's divot, the friction will eventually cause the stick to burst into flame. Of course, you know this very well from years ranging in the Thessalian countryside, but to interrupt Odysseus is out of the question.

"Nikandros - behind you." Odysseus calmly interrupting his lecture. "There is a young nobleman who is about to challenge you to a duel."

Shocked, you spin - and see a nobleman in bronze panoplia staggering out of the yellow-flagged vessel, farthest from you, scrubbing at his eyes as if rising from a nap. He spots you and Odysseus, still at work with the fire-bow, and immediately screams:

"Wie ben je? Wat voor zaken heb je hier?"

When you make no response other than to heft your Lebinthian spear, the man points his own bronze-tipped ash in your direction, and shouts again:

"Ik zal je armen opofferen aan mijn grootvader, barbaars uitschot."

Odysseus remarks to you, apathy dulling his tongue -

"You had better kill him, if you are able, Thessalian - I'm quite busy here." And with that, he pays you no more mind.

>What do? Vote closes at 8pm EST.

>Negotiate with the angry nobleman. This would be very difficult, given the language barrier.

>Spear cast immediately. You may catch the man off-guard, but failure may put you at a significant disadvantage.

>Charge him and enter melee?

>Something else?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:wk9Iknvr Fri 17 Nov 2023 20:00:48 No.5833506 Report

Quoted By: >>5833751 >>5833927

>>5833504
"Even there the hindmost of the rear I slay,
And the same arm that led concludes the day;"

>Charge him and enter melee

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 20:02:17 No.5833508 Report

Quoted By: >>5833669

>>5833504
>Charge him and enter melee?
Yes Odysseus, we are just a dumb brute, no need to worry about us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 20:05:35 No.5833514 Report

Quoted By: >>5833696

>>5833504
>>Charge him and enter melee?
Well, at the very least Odysseus isn't using us as a fop in his self-fellating song so that's nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Fri 17 Nov 2023 20:44:24 No.5833547 Report

Quoted By: >>5833751 >>5833927

>>5833504
>Charge him and enter melee?

did this absolute fool call Nikon a barbaroi?
never call the Thessalian a barbaroi

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Fri 17 Nov 2023 20:57:05 No.5833563 Report

Quoted By: >>5833751 >>5833927

>>5833504
>Charge him and enter melee?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Fri 17 Nov 2023 20:58:17 No.5833565 Report

Quoted By: >>5833751 >>5833927

>>5833504
>Spear cast immediately. You may catch the man off-guard, but failure may put you at a significant disadvantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Fri 17 Nov 2023 21:19:23 No.5833595 Report

Quoted By: >>5833751 >>5833875

>>5833504
>>Charge him and enter melee?
Oh come on Odysseus not even a bit of quick looting.
>"You had better kill him, if you are able, Thessalian - I'm quite busy here."
What ? Just a minute ago you were about all going fast. Whats the point buddy ?
Still you know Lesches...
>Write in
>First coat the spearhead in the oil splatted on the ship, and have it burn
... i like fire damage !

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 21:22:31 No.5833600 Report

Quoted By: >>5833655 >>5833718 >>5833751

>>5833504
>Spear cast immediately.
I’m assuming this guy has a +3 defense like the other guy. If Nikon is throwing the bird spear that gives a -1 to enemy armor, then it will be a STR +6 vs 2 defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:03:17 No.5833649 Report

Quoted By: >>5833706

>>5833504
>Negotiate with the angry nobleman. This would be very difficult, given the language barrier.
I like being contrarian.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:08:08 No.5833655 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833600
We REALLY need to get some javelins or darts. Or concealed carry rocks.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:13:48 No.5833666 Report

Quoted By: >>5833669 >>5833751

Three hour warning.

In general, I would invite the players to consider this duel strategically. This is Nikon’s first duel against a bronze-clad warrior actually trying to murder him.

Also my typical disclaimer: It is highly possible that Nikon dies if he rolls poorly, thus ending TWQ. No god cares enough to save him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:14:56 No.5833669 Report

Quoted By: >>5833671 >>5833675 >>5833927

>>5833666
Fine
>>5833508
Changing my vote to
>Something else?
Throw a rock at him

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:17:29 No.5833671 Report

Quoted By: >>5833675 >>5833927

>>5833669
>Throw a rock at him
We're on a beach. We can't just run over to the dirt to find a sizable stone to throw and leave Odysseus to get attacked. Even though I would love for him to get poked a bit.

This is a really shit situation.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:20:50 No.5833675 Report

Quoted By: >>5833679

>>5833669
>>5833671

I would allow for a rock-scrounging attempt, but there would be a malus to rock size (given that you’re on a sandy beach), and I would also roll to see how your opponent reacts to this behavior.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:24:04 No.5833679 Report

Quoted By: >>5833684 >>5833691

>>5833675
This made me have an idea actually. Does the ship we're closest to have a figurehead or something on the prow that we could conceivably rip off and throw at this guy in lieu of a stone? Probably not cause these ships are designed to ram, but I figure I should ask.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:28:24 No.5833684 Report

Quoted By: >>5833687 >>5833691

>>5833679
Wait, didn't an anon said in a past thread that they used rocks as weights? Maybe we could hop in and get one of them really quick

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:30:22 No.5833687 Report

Quoted By: >>5833691

>>5833684
Ballast stones would probably be inside of the hold rather than on the deck though, for balance reasons. Unless I am wildly mistaken on where they are kept. I am not an expert on ancient seafaring practices.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:36:04 No.5833691 Report

Quoted By: >>5833692 >>5833696 >>5833700 >>5833706 >>5833718 >>5833751

>>5833679
>>5833684
>>5833687

>can you run inside the side and scrounge for improvised missiles there?

Yes, definitely. Honestly, I hadn’t considered that. This would remove the scrounging malus but again, I’d roll to see how your opponent reacts.

The actual ballast stones are fucking huge and could not be used effectively as a weapon at Nik’s current strength, but there could definitely be something else useful in the hold

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:38:20 No.5833692 Report

Quoted By: >>5833699 >>5833751

>>5833691
Well, in that case I'll vote for it, let's see if we can find something good.
And we don't need to worry too much about Odysseus, he got his sugar mommy looking out for him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:43:02 No.5833696 Report

Quoted By: >>5833751 >>5833927

>>5833691
You know what, I'll change my vote to doing a quick search of the ship for something throwable. >>5833514

Hopefully this guy will remain confused as to why this big fucking man is running about and some rando is trying to start a fire on the beach. He hasn't seen the oil yet, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:45:29 No.5833699 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833692
Maybe we could even gesture over out towards the direction the rest of the spearmen went to try and make distract him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:50:04 No.5833700 Report

Quoted By: >>5833707

>>5833691
Pic related?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:57:32 No.5833706 Report

Quoted By: >>5833751 >>5833927

>>5833691
I will also change my vote >>5833649 to find something throwable instead like a rock or missile.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:57:59 No.5833707 Report

Quoted By: >>5833709

>>5833700

Rock is too small, but otherwise yes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 22:59:34 No.5833709 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833707
>tfw it wasn't a small boulder but instead it was a gigantic almond

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:04:33 No.5833718 Report

Quoted By: >>5833753 >>5833927

>>5833691
I’ll change to this. >>5833600

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:26:33 No.5833740 Report

Quoted By: >>5833743 >>5833751 >>5833927

>>5833504
>Throw a rock at him
Grandfather Athos, guide my hand.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:29:30 No.5833743 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833740
I encourage you to read the other posts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:29:55 No.5833744 Report

Quoted By: >>5833749 >>5833751 >>5833756 >>5833927

>>5833504
Oh, this motherfucker has to die a death that would shame his ancestors.

>"Wie ben je? Wat voor zaken heb je hier?"
>"Who are you? What business do you have here?"

>"Ik zal je armen opofferen aan mijn grootvader, barbaars uitschot."
>“I will sacrifice your arms to my grandfather, you barbaric scum.”

>Charge him and enter melee?

Scream as loud as possible "WHO ARE YOU CALLING A BARBAROI!!!!

Might get us a bonus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:33:01 No.5833749 Report

Quoted By: >>5833754

>>5833744
>Scream as loud as possible
So the other warriors can hear it and double back even faster? Also don't know how that would net a bonus. If he's talking shit then us getting angry is kind of exactly what he wants.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:33:58 No.5833751 Report

Quoted By: >>5833753 >>5833762

Charge
>>5833506
>>5833547
>>5833563
>>5833595
>>5833744

Throw spear
>>5833565
>>5833600

Find something to throw on ship
>>5833692
>>5833696
>>5833706

Find something to throw on beach?
>>5833740

Try to set the spear on fire
>>5833595

Here's a reminder that QM warned us that he may mog us here >>5833666
And that searching the ship wasn't an option because he didn't even think of it >>5833691

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:35:35 No.5833753 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833751
Wait, I missed this vote change
>>5833718

If the other throw spear and the throw rock anons change their vote, it might win over just charging in

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:37:09 No.5833754 Report

Quoted By: >>5833757 >>5833759

>>5833749
And he obviously doesn't speak our language, so insult wouldn't even work.
No idea how acting the opposite of strategically like recommended would give us a bonus instead of a malus

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:38:05 No.5833756 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833744
I am open to changing my vote closer to the 8:00pm est deadline.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:39:35 No.5833757 Report

Quoted By: >>5833765 >>5833767

>>5833754
I thought of it as a tactic. He expects us to charge in anger since we appear the brute but it would be a potential faint and we could switch up our attack mid charge.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:40:00 No.5833759 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833754
Meant to say "So getting angry at the insult wouldn't even make sense"
Because we don't know he called us that IC, except that the word barbaars is close to barbaroi

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:41:34 No.5833762 Report

Quoted By: >>5833765

>>5833751

>And that searching the ship wasn't an option because he didn't even think of it

Not sure if this is a typo, but to be clear, searching the ship for improvised weapons IS a viable option for Nikon, I honestly just hadn’t thought of that possibility when typing the update.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:43:26 No.5833765 Report

Quoted By: >>5833771

>>5833757
I don't get it, how is doing exactly what he wants not falling for the faint?
If you want to change tactics mid charge, then vote for it, not to not only charge, but to scream in fury while doing it.
>>5833762
Oops, I forgot the word "default" before "option".

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:43:49 No.5833767 Report

Quoted By: >>5833769

>>5833757
Feints are just a normal part of combat though. And you can't really feint off a charge, since the only thing you can really change when in a charge is that you stop charging. So we'd run up towards him and then stop and close the rest of the distance normally? I'm just not seeing it man.

It would work if we were acting as a distraction maybe but this is just a 1v1.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:45:11 No.5833769 Report

Quoted By: >>5833779 >>5833780 >>5833785

>>5833767
Just spitballing ideas. Ex. was as part of the feint kick sand in his eyes since we are on a beach.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:45:39 No.5833771 Report

Quoted By: >>5833774

>>5833765
I forgot to finish the reply like an idiot

Otherwise there's no way that Lesches would know that's what you want to do, since it gives the impression of raging towards him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:47:54 No.5833774 Report

Quoted By: >>5833779 >>5833785

>>5833771
My bad for not explaining. Was going to go more into it. Kind of like charge in then doing something like this.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:52:04 No.5833779 Report

Quoted By: >>5833791 >>5833792

>>5833769
>>5833774

This hasn’t come up in the quest before as far as I know, but sure, Nikon could sacrifice an attack turn to spray sand at the enemy. Mechanically, you’d be applying a to-hit debuff if you succeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:52:33 No.5833780 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833769
See now you're just tacking things on top of things. Which is fine, but a little confusing kek.

I think all non-strategic feints (E.G. kicking sand, throwing dirt, doing a high<->low or side<->side) are all just thing Nikon just does in combat as flavor text. But strategic feints (like changing tactics entirely) are things we specifically vote in and confer various benefits or penalties depending on the situation. Like moving to shove a guy off of a cliff but instead stabbing him in the foot when he braces or peeling off when he tries to dodge might change a DC or allow for certain actions to be taken.

That's just me though. We'd have to ask Lesches for greater clarification on the matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:54:55 No.5833785 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833769
>>5833774
That could actually work, but I think I'll keep my vote to searching for something to throw.
Because that's an opener we can only do right now, but the sand trick we could potentially do at any time during our duel since it will be on the beach.

So we could find something to yeet, throw sand in his eyes while moving to melee, and then beat the shit of a hurt and blinded man

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:59:35 No.5833791 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833779
So it's basically a risky move that could have a pay off, or something that you do while you already have an advantage to widen the gap, like if the enemy is stunned.
How big would be the debuff? Unless it's higher then the from being hurt, then it's not worth it sacrificing the chance to attack, since damage already grants a penalty.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 17 Nov 2023 23:59:36 No.5833792 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833779
I don't know if I'd take that as an option personally. We'd still have to roll to get past a shield or into a helmet and both of those items probably make it harder to pull off right? And if we hit the guy and deal damage he'd still take a debuff to his stats which lowers his to-hit anyway. It'd probably be a lot easier than hitting but it's still sacrificing a potential turn of damage for a debuff.

I could only see that being worth it if we were fighting someone we have no hope of really hitting to begin with and we're just trying to delay to escape or survive. Which I suppose we could here, since we just need Odysseus to get his fire going then he can join us or we can fuck off.

It just seems like an odd trade off since we have no frame of reference for how it would play out, y'know?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:09:36 No.5833809 Report

Quoted By: >>5833823

Come on guys consider the oil and fire. It would actually hurt him more

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:13:34 No.5833812 Report

Quoted By: >>5833815

Like imagine being wounded by a spear head on fire with oil. It would hurt like a bitch since is not normal fire, enough that he might just make a mistake like losing a weapon in the fight.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:16:06 No.5833815 Report

Quoted By: >>5833821

>>5833812
We already poured the oil out though. And setting your weapon on fire is a bad idea. The haft of the spear is still wood. And even though it's been fire-hardened it is still subject to catching on fire. To say nothing of the fact that swinging something around covered in burning oil will fling burning oil everywhere, which includes straight back towards us if we're unlucky.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:22:03 No.5833821 Report

Quoted By: >>5833833

>>5833815
The oil is crushed on the ships near us. No issue in taking it some from them with the spear head tip.
We balance it, if it remains on the spear head tip we have nothing to fear. One good hit and the guy is fucked.
Is risky it but combined with the armor piercing of our spear it would do a lot of damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:22:21 No.5833823 Report

Quoted By: >>5833831 >>5833842

>>5833809
Have you considered that the ship could have a jar of oil that we could throw at him?
It's would be all of the benefits of a weapon of fire with none of the downsides

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:26:45 No.5833831 Report

Quoted By: >>5833834

>>5833823
We haven't exactly a ton of time before he attacks, so searching the inventory of the foreign ships were we just crushed the oil and when Odysseus is trying to burn them, is not what i want to do

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:28:14 No.5833833 Report

Quoted By: >>5833845

>>5833821
>We balance it, if it remains on the spear head tip we have nothing to fear.
No you don't get it, the moment you hit something with an object covered in a fluid, it'll scatter everywhere. There's a reason why never throughout all of history did anyone actually do that sort of thing. Torches work because they soak in the liquid so it isn't loose and free. Every other oil-weapon was primarily a container dumping it out or a container that was thrown wholesale with oil in it.

It's a cool idea but without literal magic it doesn't work. And while it burns blue, that doesn't make it magic. It could just have particular additives in it or it's very hot. We'd have to ask Odysseus how it works to find out if it's magic. But that's a lot to ask for at the moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:29:43 No.5833834 Report

Quoted By: >>5833838 >>5833842 >>5833845

>>5833831
But that's is what we are voting for, to search the ship for anything we can throw at him

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:31:17 No.5833838 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833834
Actually, phrasing like this would be better:
Isn't that what we are voting for? To search the ship for anything to throw at him?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:33:24 No.5833842 Report

Quoted By: >>5833851 >>5833856 >>5833864

>>5833823
>>5833834

I appreciate the creativity anon, but right now, Nikon doesn’t have access to fire. That’s what Odysseus is doing right now with the fire bow

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:35:06 No.5833845 Report

Quoted By: >>5833851

>>5833834
Thats one of the votes put forward and i am not inclined to do it with Odysseus being so dismissive of the situation and single minded in his task.

>>5833833
I ll just keep charge then.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:37:24 No.5833851 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833842
Alright, thank Lesches
>>5833845
Wait a minute, I confused you with the other anon with a green ID that starts with a lowercase a.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:42:41 No.5833856 Report

Quoted By: >>5833867

>>5833842
Searching the ships would mean walking on the oil we crushed inside ?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:52:27 No.5833864 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833842
Ah but as the man is not Greek proper he has no experience in fighting when covered in oil. A truly cunning plan.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 00:59:21 No.5833867 Report

Quoted By: >>5833875 >>5833876

>>5833856

Not necessarily, Nikon would clamber up onto the ships main deck and access the hold from above, he could avoid stepping on the oil this way.

I’m extending the vote period to 8:30pm EST given the high-quality discussion

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:00:24 No.5833869 Report

Quoted By: >>5833870 >>5833877

anyone have any guesses as to who this guy is? hes probably at least a named character. is there anyone on the trojan side known for sleeping a lot or being late to battles? maybe a noteworthy pelasgian?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:01:46 No.5833870 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833869
Whoever he is, hopefully he goes down just as quickly as his buddy on the other ship.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:06:14 No.5833875 Report

Quoted By: >>5833927

>>5833867
Okay.
I trust you enough if you confirm we can walk around the two ships without touching the oil.

>>5833595
I change my vote here to
>Find something to throw on ship
>>5833504

If we can wound him before the melee with him starts we would have an advantage. War isn't fair

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:06:56 No.5833876 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833867
I don't think people will show up to vote Lesches.
It's time to pray for good rolls, because there is no strategy to save us now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:07:19 No.5833877 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833869
No clue. Could be just someone like Nikandros or a young noble

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:08:03 No.5833879 Report

Quoted By: >>5833881

Oh nevermind, I was too early to be all doom and gloom.
But we still need to pray for good rolls, combat is this quest brutal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:10:05 No.5833881 Report

Quoted By: >>5833885 >>5833886

>>5833879
What's really frustrating for me is turning into a combat monster doesn't help as much as people might think. Look at what happens to Ajax. There kind of isn't a real safe path.

EXCEPT MAXIMUM SEER OF COURSE

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:14:33 No.5833885 Report

Quoted By: >>5833889

>>5833881
Bullshit, he isn't the safe path. He is the best path

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:15:13 No.5833886 Report

Quoted By: >>5833889

>>5833881
Different traits are needed for a proper success.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:18:00 No.5833889 Report

Quoted By: >>5833896

>>5833885
Who do you think wins in a misinterpretation competition, Autistikandros or MAXIMUM SEER? I'm leaning Autist. MAX veers too far into incomprehensible to be consistently misunderstood, technically. IMO anyway.

>>5833886
This quest would be EZ is we were Achilles. That glorious rat stole all the cool stats. Death prophecy? Pfffft fake news

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 01:26:05 No.5833896 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833889
Autistikandros after getting a concussion and gaining enmity of Aphrodite, to maximize char loss.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:06:09 No.5833927 Report

Quoted By: >>5833946

Rolled 1 (1d6)

Rush 'em

>>5833506 (discounted, one post ID)
>>5833547
>>5833563
>>5833744

Improvised Weapon Attack (by QM fiat, I am merging the "rock on beach" and "rock on boat" votes)

>>5833669
>>5833696
>>5833875
>>5833718
>>5833706
>>5833671
>>5833740

Cast spear now!

>>5833565

---

This was a tough vote to tally, but it seems like a clear majority are in favor of an improvised weapon attack, and it makes sense for Nikandros to do this amongst the nearest ship's hold rather than on the sandy beach itself. Please note that despite Odysseus' phrasing, this is NOT actually a formal duel in the Homeric sense - leaving the duel zone would be highly shameful in a formal duel format and would result in huge loss of Kleos.

I'm rolling to see how the enemy nobleman responds to this non-standard action on Nikon's part, and doing so in the open for full transparency:

1) confusion, do nothing
2) counter change (trigger footrace to ship deck)
3) counter charge (trigger footrace to ship deck)
4) Cast spear at Nikon
5) Cast spear at Nikon
6) Charge Odysseus

Writing now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:28:15 No.5833946 Report

Quoted By: >>5833954

>>5833927
Athos has protected us for our rock throwing ways.
Now to actually find something, and land a hit.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:30:19 No.5833948 Report

Quoted By: >>5833951 >>5833952 >>5833954 >>5833960 >>5833966

You don’t like your options. To advance against a belligerent, foreign nobleman of unknown provenance is risky – you nothing of his skills or abilities. Likewise, to cast your spear at him risks much – you throw away your best weapon in the process, leaving yourself only with your father’s bronze sword and the small Lebinthian knife hooked to your baldric.

The sands of the beach are empty of stones and other implements that you might use to –

The sands of the beach are NOT empty – two large galleys full of goods sit before you.

An unexpected idea – but often, unexpected ideas win the day upon the field. The enemy nobleman has ceased shouting questions at you, and is now prowling forwards, spear braced against his brazen shield. You adopt your own fighting stance, as if you mean to charge – and instead, sprint to the nearest foreign galley.

Your opponent is apparently stunned by your sideways advance to the boat – it seems that this was the action he did not expect from you. He shouts more questions at you and you suspect, he impugns your manhood for fleeing the beach. To your surprise, he simply stands there - revealing himself to lack true combat experience. No tempered soldier would stand motionless in this fashion - only a fool or a man trained entirely through sparring would act this way. Regardless, any insult to your manhood is meaningless – this is a controlled maneuver, not the frantic rout of a terrified battalion. You spare a glance behind you as you clamber up the foreign galley’s bow stern ladder – Odysseus now watches with open interest, his eyebrows raised in consideration, and his previous ruse of apathy having been forgotten. It seems that you have surprised resourceful Odysseus as well.

You had previously thrown Odysseus’ oil amphora against the opposite end of the vessel, and so you are unimpeded as you access the hold of the ship. It's dark, and crowded with crates, urns, and other items of mercantile value from north of the Dardanelles – a rich field to plunder for weaponry, but time is short indeed. You’d rather not be assaulted from above in the tight quarters of the hold...

>give me THREE rolls of dice+1d8 to determine the size of the improvised weapon that Nikon obtains. Homer’s original rule: “In the meantime, give me 1d8, Bo3, to see how large of an object you find to throw. For future reference, such improvised weapons are single-use, take a turn to collect, and can deal up to half your strength in damage depending on size. Recall that Hector was very nearly killed by such a weapon.”
>good thing your opponent is a dummy and is standing around – it’s in keeping with his character, FWIW.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:33:07 No.5833951 Report

Quoted By: >>5833953 >>5833960 >>5833961 >>5833978

Rolled 7 (1d8)

>>5833948
Maybe if we're really lucky we'll find some spears. Nah, just BRICKS

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:imyWt+Es Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:33:20 No.5833952 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 6 (1d8)

>>5833948

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:34:10 No.5833953 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833951
Shit maybe they do have some marble chunks or something they've picked up along the way

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:34:27 No.5833954 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 6 (1d8)

>>5833948
>>5833946

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:36:44 No.5833960 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833951
That should be a big one
>>5833948
>it’s in keeping with his character, FWIW.
Alright, so it's an actual character.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:36:48 No.5833961 Report

Quoted By: >>5833965

>>5833951
>7

I want his spear when we end him

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:42:56 No.5833965 Report

Quoted By: >>5833989

>>5833961
To me the funniest thing is we don't actually need to kill him. Just buy time for Odysseus to set the boats on fire. So the brainlet literally standing around waiting with his dick in his hands to insult us when we pop back out to throw shit at him is helping us out.

He is playing right into our hands. We are a TACTICAL GENIUS!

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:44:59 No.5833966 Report

Quoted By: >>5833974

>>5833948
>Odysseus now watches with open interest, his eyebrows raised in consideration, and his previous ruse of apathy having been forgotten. It seems that you have surprised resourceful Odysseus as well.
>see pic

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:51:59 No.5833974 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833966
Man I would love to be Autist for the afterfight interrogation with Odysseus.
>"I am surprised you did not stand your ground, Thessalian."
>"I did not wish to be stabbed, seaman king."

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:57:48 No.5833978 Report

Quoted By: >>5833984

>>5833951
>They were transporting copper ingots

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:59:42 No.5833983 Report

Quoted By: >>5833985

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 02:59:57 No.5833984 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833978
Oh hey those are adorable.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:00:59 No.5833985 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833983

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:05:15 No.5833989 Report

Quoted By:

>>5833965
We will the battle running away from it.

I can already taste Nike smell on the wind...

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:20:54 No.5834006 Report

Quoted By: >>5834007 >>5834011 >>5834012 >>5834014 >>5834021

Rolled 9, 14, 3 + 3 = 29 (3d20 + 3)

You nearly pass by them as you fumble in the dark – but with the trap door open and the radiant light of beaming Helios above, they shine dully in the dark.

A set of unpainted stone busts – carved into the likenesses of various personages, both men and women, and no doubt previously destined for various nobleman’s estates. They are unpainted, but carved well – perhaps there are cheaper sculptors along the Euxine Sea? At any rate, you lift one up – the elder patriach of the house, given his flowing beard and resolute gaze, and find that it is quite heavy, but not unwieldy. Perfect.

You heft the statue up over your head and thrust it through the trap door with a heavy thump, and follow it quickly. Crouching low, you investigate your opponent’s position – he’s barely moved at all in the past thirty seconds, and is now attempting to interrogate Odysseus in Luwian. Odysseus, whether out of amusement or in service to you, is stalling by pretending to be deaf in one ear – he is continually gesturing for the hostile nobleman to repeat himself, and the fool is obliging.

You quickly carry your bust to the bow-deck – the additional height should give you the distance needed to crack the man’s skull like an egg. You do your enemy no favors, and do not announce your reappearance – you simply hurl the bust with all of your strength and hope that you crush him and his prospects of victory in a single blow.

>give me THREE rolls of dice+1d20+6
>We need to see if Nikon makes successful contact with the other guy. If yes, then we’ll roll for damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:22:04 No.5834007 Report

Quoted By: >>5834012 >>5834020 >>5834021 >>5834023 >>5834060

Rolled 20 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5834006
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:imyWt+Es Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:22:45 No.5834011 Report

Quoted By: >>5834023

Rolled 13 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5834006

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:23:25 No.5834012 Report

Quoted By: >>5834023

Rolled 19 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5834007
ROCKCHADS NEVER FUCKING FAIL WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>5834006

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:23:35 No.5834014 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 6 (1d20)

>>5834006

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:26:31 No.5834020 Report

Quoted By: >>5834023

>>5834007
FUCKING WHEW LAD! GRANDAD LOVES THE FUCK OUT OF US!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:26:35 No.5834021 Report

Quoted By: >>5834022

>>5834007
ATHOS BLESS US!

>>5834006
>Odysseus, whether out of amusement or in service to you, is stalling by pretending to be deaf in one ear – he is continually gesturing for the hostile nobleman to repeat himself, and the fool is obliging.

Lol he is retarded

I can belive we would kill him with the statue of his beloved grandfather

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:27:28 No.5834022 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834021
Grandpa just wanted to kiss his little one's forehead one last time kek

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:28:10 No.5834023 Report

Quoted By: >>5834026 >>5834027 >>5834028 >>5834029

>>5834007
>>5834011
>>5834012

>wew lads, well done

>26 vs 17 - head to head contact.

Now I need a single roll of dice+1d7+8.

>>5834020

Honestly Nikon has had disproportionately good "rock tossin" rolls, it's unexplainable.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:29:33 No.5834026 Report

Quoted By: >>5834032

Rolled 3 + 8 (1d7 + 8)

>>5834023
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:29:43 No.5834027 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 4 + 8 (1d7 + 8)

>>5834023
>cartoon bomb whistle

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:29:53 No.5834028 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 5 + 8 (1d7 + 8)

>>5834023

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:30:04 No.5834029 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 3 + 8 (1d7 + 8)

>>5834023
Meme magic is real. And it is rockpilled.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:31:00 No.5834032 Report

Quoted By: >>5834037 >>5834038 >>5834039 >>5834042 >>5834047 >>5834060

>>5834026

>11 damage
>Friendly reminder that Nikon himself would be killed outright by a blow of this magnitude
>You're not the only one who can throw rocks

Writing now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:31:12 No.5834033 Report

Quoted By:

You know, this is twice in the past twenty minutes that Nikon has hit someone in the face with a hurled object. To absolutely devastating results.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:35:06 No.5834037 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834032
>You're not the only one who can throw rocks
No but we are CLEARLY great at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:36:35 No.5834038 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834032
>You're not the only one who can throw rocks
MY GRANDADDY CAN TOO

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:37:15 No.5834039 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834032
The only Trojan I can think of off the top of my head who threw a rock was Hector. But I'm sure there are other strong ones who could as well, like Aeneas or Memnon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:38:03 No.5834042 Report

Quoted By: >>5834043

>>5834032
Can we loot his weapons if they survive QM?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:38:40 No.5834043 Report

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>>5834042
Well his helmet sure ain't surviving!

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Anonymous ID:I4fsiMqk Sat 18 Nov 2023 03:42:52 No.5834047 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834032
Just got home from work. This is easily the capstone of my day.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:00:44 No.5834056 Report

Quoted By: >>5834062 >>5834068 >>5834307

The bust of the old man flies through the air – it spins upon its axis in flight, a white blur streaking towards the head of your opponent.

He is mid-declaration when it strikes him –

“Dove man, hoe heet je? Je ziet eruit als het doelwit van mijn vader - we jagen op de koning van Ith –“

The results are ugly – his brazen helm collapses in on his skull, as the bust itself careens into the damp sands. The man’s face is pulverized, and he gives only one rattling exhalation as his arms and legs seize violently, spraying bone, blood and brains over his own bronze breastplate. His legs dance upon the sands for longer than you expect, but there's no doubt in your mind - the shade of the man is rocketing into Tartarus for the judgment of King Minos.

Leaping to the earth, you find Odysseus walking carefully with a flaming stick to the foreign vessel, shielding it from the breeze. He winks at you as he passes - “Creative of you, Nikandros! Once the ships are ablaze, I’ll help you strip the man’s armor from his shoulders!” He makes no reference to the fact that he clearly would have let you fight (and possibly die) against the enemy without assistance.

Irritating.

The fire aboard the first beached vessel quickly becomes a bonfire – it’s a trivial matter to set the other ship ablaze once you have ready access to an inferno. You stop to inquire why you haven’t raided the ships for wealth, but Odysseus answers your question before you can ask it:

“We haven’t the time to pillage these vessels properly, Thessalian, nor can we reasonably transfer the goods to our own ships fast enough – look there, along the coast – the enemy spearmen are nearly here!” And following Odysseus’ finger, you see that he is correct – perhaps five stadia distant, you see tiny figures moving along the hilltops. “We best move quickly.”

The stripping of the body is a rushed affair, made gruesome by the fact that Odysseus demands the total panoplia – removing the shattered head from the helm is a grotesque task. Nonetheless, you are pleased that you’ve won your first set of bronze armor upon the battlefield.

Odysseus claps on the shoulder for congratulations, and speaks –

“Well done, Thessalian! Menelaus will be pleased with this gift – I will speak on your behalf, and perhaps he will grant you your preferred portion of the panoplia!” You groan – as a rural lord of Thessaly, all Timae earned on the battlefield was yours alone, but this is not so when traveling with nobility of a higher station. A heavy tax on your earnings must be paid, in keeping with their noble peerage. For now, there is nothing to be done – you must comply. Putting the realities of your service aside, you navigate the promontory, and once back aboard the Spartan ship, Odysseus is quick to retell the tale of the beach raid as the galleys beat their way north, leaving the enemy behind...

>that's all for tonight, thanks for playing!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:04:19 No.5834060 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834007
>>5834032
This is amazing, we just flattened him.
Always trust in the power of rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:06:25 No.5834062 Report

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>>5834056
That description is gruesome as fuck. Very metal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:yorBjBnq Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:09:43 No.5834067 Report

Quoted By: >>5834074 >>5834075

> Odysseus, whether out of amusement or in service to you, is stalling by pretending to be deaf in one ear – he is continually gesturing for the hostile nobleman to repeat himself, and the fool is obliging.
this is a fucking looney tunes episode

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:10:00 No.5834068 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834056
>His legs dance upon the sands for longer than you expect

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:18:47 No.5834074 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834067
Very in character for him thou. Motherfucker was the bugs bunny of ancient greece

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:20:56 No.5834075 Report

Quoted By: >>5834076

>>5834067
Don't forget that this man made a cyclops scream "Nobody is attacking me!" to his friends outside the cave.

And then he escaped hugging a sheep's underside

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:22:36 No.5834076 Report

Quoted By: >>5834080

>>5834075
>Ayo who the fuck is you man who stabs at my face
>Nobody
>.... OH FUCK IT'S NOBODY!
Honestly. Cyclopes are either the dumbest fucking oafs or the sharpest tacks. It's quite impressive.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:26:43 No.5834080 Report

Quoted By: >>5834082

>>5834076
>Honestly. Cyclopes are either the dumbest fucking oafs or the sharpest tacks. It's quite impressive

They are like Nikon but bigger. One moment they find Achilles in Skyros and the next they talk down Electra on her own house.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:30:57 No.5834082 Report

Quoted By: >>5834084

>>5834080
>Like nikon but bigger

Not for long. Our boy is going to bulk, get his fill of macros.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:34:25 No.5834084 Report

Quoted By: >>5834086 >>5834307 >>5834319

>>5834082
We NEED to know if the Giant trail can be upgrade

To me is buy Liwan or upgrade Giant

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:38:19 No.5834086 Report

Quoted By: >>5834091

>>5834084
inb4 nikon becomes biblical goliath. Live by the rock, die by the rock

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:43:51 No.5834091 Report

Quoted By: >>5834097 >>5834307

>>5834086
>greek!david steps up
>"I'll bash yer 'ead in swear on me nan"
>nikon immediately brains him with a three-ton boulder
I want to CONMAX and WILLMAX. With a little bit of extra int and some str on the side as a treat. Let them all break upon the WALL.

As for traits, well, we'll have to see what they are on level up for me to choose. I am tempted to get the bow trait from Teukros. And rock around with a six-foot-tall bow. One arrow, three kills.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sat 18 Nov 2023 04:53:22 No.5834097 Report

Quoted By: >>5834100

>>5834091
We invent basketball, except instead of hoops, the goal is to slam a very large rock on the opposing teams heads. It'll be a popular sport in ireland

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:03:44 No.5834100 Report

Quoted By: >>5834103

>>5834097
>hoopstone
>the goal of hoopstone is to move a man sized boulder through a hoop situated on the opposing side of the field
>any impacts, strikes, shoves, grapples, or other form of incapacitating the opposition is legal, just be careful not to murder the other side on purpose
>yes this means you can slam someone's face into the boulder
There would be dedicated positions on the team. Got your shields, spears, and greaves. Basically your defense, offense, and the guys you want to push the bigass fucking rock.

It's basically a "tug" of war where you can dropkick the entire other team until they decide they don't want to get up any more to stop you. Very amusing. Fun for the whole family. Kid's leagues use smaller stones.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nZAQ9BDB Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:11:43 No.5834103 Report

Quoted By: >>5834107 >>5834109

>>5834100
If you made the boulder smaller, this could actually be good practice for the brawls over dead heroes and their panoplies.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:15:25 No.5834107 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834103
That is actually a good point. I hadn't considered that in my silliness. Right on, man. I suppose a stone weighing about 2-300 pounds would work. It'd be about torso sized if I got my numbers right. Maybe a bit smaller.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:18:47 No.5834109 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834103

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:19:23 No.5834110 Report

Quoted By: >>5834118

I really wonder how this fight will be remembered in myth

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:26:54 No.5834118 Report

Quoted By: >>5834125 >>5834139

>>5834110
We run, crying and wailing. The guy stand ready to kill Odysseus, but he just smile and stop him by pointing his finger up.

He look up, and see his granpa one last time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:31:43 No.5834125 Report

Quoted By: >>5834139

>>5834118
>meanwhile, in nikon's retelling: odysseus is playing with wooden blocks on the sand, trying to force a square shape into a round hole and drooling while he makes a single bound from the beach all the way to the stairs leading into the hold, seizes a chest full of gold and silver, and throws it through the hull into the head of the enemy
>odysseus also invented this story to make nikon sound like a liar and embellisher

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:44:09 No.5834136 Report

Quoted By:

This was great.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nZAQ9BDB Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:47:50 No.5834139 Report

Quoted By: >>5834143

>>5834118
>>5834125
Greek historians will settle on a more balanced telling where Nikon cunningly retreated into the ship and picked up a bust while Odysseus backed up his good friend by distracting the confused nobleman.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sat 18 Nov 2023 05:50:54 No.5834143 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834139
>Somehow this ends in an animated movie where Odysseus is the smart, whimpy small guy to Nikon's well meaning big lunk
>But they get his obsession with rocks right

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:FPK+t1dl Sat 18 Nov 2023 06:20:30 No.5834172 Report

Quoted By: >>5834174

So, I was thinking, and then I remember that we have to kill that blacksmith Auletes on Troy.

I dont know how much time we will stay on the city, but I think the best option is to lookout for him the first day, and then kill him the last day and fuck off.

Hell, we could ask him to upgrade our armor when we come to the city and tell him we will pay him when he finish it lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sat 18 Nov 2023 06:22:28 No.5834174 Report

Quoted By: >>5834175

>>5834172
No
We simply hurl a large rock at him and continue on our business as if we hadn't just killed a man

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 06:25:00 No.5834175 Report

Quoted By: >>5834178

>>5834174
>giant man walking through the streets repeating the name "auletes"
>some guy walks up and acknowledges him
>the smaller man is immediately impaled on an beak-themed spear and lifted into the air where he dies
>the giant merely walks away as if nothing happened
>no one has the guts to say anything
We do need to use our Bird weapons to gut him, sadly. I mean, we don't HAVE to, but we said we would.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sat 18 Nov 2023 06:27:31 No.5834178 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834175
Ah, yeah kinda forgot that part of the deal. Well its simple. We cripple him with the boulder, then stab him in the throat before it crushes the life out of him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:f3DtSMr5 Sat 18 Nov 2023 07:06:27 No.5834198 Report

Quoted By: >>5834200

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 07:10:07 No.5834200 Report

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>>5834198
haha holy shit, big brain plays

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 08:40:57 No.5834247 Report

Quoted By: >>5834249 >>5834307

You know, we wanted that dweeb's kit as loot but what are we gonna do with our share? Obviously timae is important, money, but what about offering it up to Nike. It was the first proper hero type we beat. Hm. Choices.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 08:43:52 No.5834249 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834247
A second well made spear would be nice. Especially if it can be thrown.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 18 Nov 2023 08:47:54 No.5834252 Report

Quoted By: >>5834289 >>5834307

I vote we find a bronzesmith to upgrade our shield/armor. Barring that I vote for sending most of our spoils home to sis.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:f3DtSMr5 Sat 18 Nov 2023 09:52:06 No.5834289 Report

Quoted By: >>5834291

>>5834252
>Nikandros: I come back! And I bring gifts! *Drop a bag with a bronze sword, a bloody stone bust and rocks*
>Deianira: Nikon I miss you so much! *Look at the gifts* T-they are nice...
>Nikandros: There where more, but were too big.
>Deianira: Too big for the chariot?
>Nikandros: Ehhh... Oh yeah the chariot...
>Deianira: What. Happen. To. The. Chariot?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 09:56:18 No.5834291 Report

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>>5834289
>a bloody stone bust
you know if we actually kept that I'll piss myself laughing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 10:22:48 No.5834307 Report

Quoted By: >>5834315 >>5834319

>>5834056
This was great.
Odysseus keeps being a rat

>>5834247
>>5834252
More equipment is always useful. Never discard it. If you don't want to sell it, it can be kept in case our stuff gets damaged. Or it can be given for equip a character that server Nikandros like good Agyros.

>>5834091
Archer would be very good. Simply for become better in ranged attacks and also because we learn firsthand how archer type troops would fight.

>>5834084
The problem with Luwian is that i am guessing it should lead to not just talk it but reading and writing it. And i am not sure we can do the other two without knowing to read and write in greek. If we can it would be funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 10:30:31 No.5834315 Report

Quoted By: >>5834429

>>5834307
>Never discard it.
But the gods do so love their tributes.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Sat 18 Nov 2023 10:34:30 No.5834319 Report

Quoted By: >>5834326 >>5834327 >>5834337 >>5834348 >>5834429

>>5834084

Yes, there are two separate Giant upgrade traits, one for STR and one for CON. Neither one actually makes you taller though, Nikandros’ height is locked unless he unlocks a (very) secret side quest of high difficulty towards the end of the war.

>>5834307

LUWIAN PROFICIENCY is strictly training on how to speak and understand Luwian. Nikandros would have to take GREEK LITERACY trait from Palamedes or another trainer to learn the basics of reading-writing. If Nikandros takes both traits, they combine into the PRAGMATIC KNOWLEDGE trait (name subject to change), which automatically provide reading/writing ability in Luwian and a bonus STAT point.

Most Tier 0 (aka upgrade traits) can combine with another one for flavor reasons and will provide a bonus STAT point.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 10:42:27 No.5834326 Report

Quoted By: >>5834360

>>5834319
>Nikandros’ height is locked unless he unlocks a (very) secret side quest of high difficulty towards the end of the war.

>new objective unlocked: discover shin lengthening surgery 3000 years early

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sat 18 Nov 2023 10:45:07 No.5834327 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834319
>Neither one actually makes you taller though, Nikandros’ height is locked unless he unlocks a (very) secret side quest of high difficulty towards the end of the war.
Our course is obvious, Nikon must embark on his own HUGE QUEST

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 11:43:17 No.5834337 Report

Quoted By: >>5834368

So now we've escaped the wrath of some ghost goddess thing, put one hero into a hospital and another into a morgue, satisfied Ajax' standards and pleasantly surprised Odysseus. Do we count the two ships getting shellacked on the sea and the two on the shore for accomplishments? Assisted ones of course, but we did help.

It seems like a lot of Nikon's actions are being overshadowed not necessarily because they aren't impressive but because the people around him are simply of higher status doing similar things. Literally hogging an unfair share of glory. And yet all the same without them there he would have likely perished. What a pain in the dick.

And shit considering our growth scale I don't think we'll be able to pick up some of the traits we may like to have from other heroes during the war. Palamedes will never teach us letters, fugg. He will never stand on our shoulders and shoot at people. Unless we cave in Odysseus' skull or something, anyway. But I don't feel like having Athena tear our throat out.

>>5834319
Oh I keep forgetting to ask, how much damage do bows do, exactly? Less than javelins, more than slings? Does armor affect them more than other projectiles due to the relatively worse penetration? If someone shoots an arrow out of the sky with another arrow, will the gods point and make meme faces?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sat 18 Nov 2023 12:15:16 No.5834348 Report

Quoted By: >>5834349

>>5834319
>(very) secret side quest of high difficulty towards the end of the war.
ANONS, KEEP THIS IN THY HEADS. WE MUST FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET BIG(GER)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 12:17:39 No.5834349 Report

Quoted By: >>5834352 >>5834358

>>5834348
I don't want Nikon to die before he can see his sister again. And since it probably has to do with the gods, it will be double extra lethal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sat 18 Nov 2023 12:20:03 No.5834352 Report

Quoted By: >>5834354

>>5834349
Victory or Death anon. Nikandros is no craven

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 12:29:03 No.5834354 Report

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>>5834352
He's not a fool either. A candle that burns twice as long or a candle that burns twice as bright will ultimately emit the same amount of light. Do not throw his life away. Be smart, be decisive. Boldness need not apply when preparation is in play.

Come on man. Nikon's already skating by on sheer luck, don't get him killed super quick just because muh glory. He still has a sister who needs him and a family to start. The line can't end with him, remember? Please don't be brash and for the love of fuck let's stay out of the gods' bullshit until he's actually capable of surviving more than a week on his own.

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Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 12:40:28 No.5834358 Report

Quoted By: >>5834360

>>5834349
>inb4 it's to befriend Odysseus so he uses his polimechanic skill to build us one of these.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 12:42:35 No.5834360 Report

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>>5834358
This was meant as a reply to this post >>5834326

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 12:53:18 No.5834368 Report

Quoted By: >>5834372 >>5834766

>>5834337

>Oh I keep forgetting to ask, how much damage do bows do, exactly? Less than javelins, more than slings? Does armor affect them more than other projectiles due to the relatively worse penetration? If someone shoots an arrow out of the sky with another arrow, will the gods point and make meme faces?

Lots of variables here, basically my QM-style answer is "it depends".

For example, Teukros' bow, the Bow of Telamon is arguably the second best bow that I've statted out, and deals 1d6+STR+Archery. In Teukros' hands, the bow is almost as deadly as Nikandros hucking his Lebinthian spear at full power.

If Nikandros had picked up one of the Lelegian hunter's bow of poor quality, he would have been dealing dice+1d2+(STR/3) damage. The bow is of such poor quality that Nikon can't apply his actual STR bonus without breaking it.

>do the gods fuck around?

Always. You know, if Odysseus wasn't the "Chosen of Athena", he'd probably have a much calmer and pleasurable life.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 13:05:16 No.5834372 Report

Quoted By: >>5834391

>>5834368
>second best bow
I’m going to guess Heracles’ bow is the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sat 18 Nov 2023 13:35:42 No.5834391 Report

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>>5834372
Odysseus's bow may be a good third contender then as it is implied to have been made to specification and with him being a polymechanos makes it well prized, if perhaps too specialized.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:10:47 No.5834419 Report

Quoted By: >>5834423 >>5834434 >>5834450

The crews are eager to leave this place behind and avoid further interdiction, and so the ships make good progress against the current – again, the northerly winds are weak and fitful, providing little resistance. Behind you, twin columns of smoke from the burning galleys create two slender ash smears against the otherwise faultless blue of the vault of Ouranos. It seems that the hostile spearmen did not reach their ships in time to salvage their frames – too much smoke is rising from the southern side of the promontory. With the immediate threat of danger abated, you take a few minutes of well-deserved rest and tally your performance –

1. Sound counsel to Menelaus, leading to a successful naval encounter.
2. Assistance to both Ajax and Menelaus’ ships as they are put out to sea.
3. Assistance to Menelaus’ crew in the naval battle on the oars.
4. The murder of the enemy ship captain with a well-placed javelin – or if he does live, it is only by the narrowest of margins.
5. The events of the Beach Raid, including the murder of an enemy nobleman with a carven bust.

And you are pleased!

This journey has been full of unexpected dangers, but you have conducted yourself effectively over the past weeks. Increasingly, you are confident that you are able to stand alongside the great heroes; you had always imagined this to be true, but vindication of your boyhood fantasies is a sweet nectar, indeed.

The presentation of the claimed bronze panoplia to Menelaus goes very well – or you should say, it goes very well for Odysseus. In his telling of the tale, Odysseus orders you to slay the enemy combatant as he builds a small fire, but instead, you lead the enemy on a wild chase through the hold of the enemy vessel – stalling for time as the mad foreigner scrabbles after you like a wild beast. Odysseus sets the enemy galley ablaze, steals into the hold, finds a stone bust, and just as the enemy nobleman had successfully cornered you against the hull of the ship, brains him from behind with a terrific smash. With the enemy spearmen rapidly approaching from the south, you assist Menelaus in the stripping of the enemy’s panoplia, lighting the second ship ablaze with only seconds to spare, before escaping over the ridge of the promontory to safety.

You can do nothing but smile and nod along, despite anger roiling your chest. How much of Odysseus’ Kleos is stolen from his peers? Odysseus barely acknowledges the theft of your deeds, only winking good-naturedly at you as he spins his fiction.

Menelaus, enchanted by the story, grants Odysseus the brazen helm, spear and shield of the enemy, keeping the remainder of the man’s panoplia. Odysseus, in a show of magnanimity, gifts you the crumpled helm – as armor, it is currently worthless, but perhaps a bronzesmith would be willing to purchase it for their own purposes. You attempt to look grateful, but you're not quite sure if you manage it.

>Nikon gains “Crumpled Brazen Helm”!

>cont

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Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:13:46 No.5834423 Report

Quoted By: >>5834443

>>5834419
What a bitch, shame we can't let him get killed by somebody else because we will need him in the war.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:18:59 No.5834429 Report

Quoted By: >>5834448

>>5834315
This is a meager tribute with Odysseus being an hawk

>>5834319
Roger that.
Yeah you are tempting me to take both. Its too useful in general to have for a commander, or socials, and it would increase Nik INT.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:21:34 No.5834434 Report

Quoted By: >>5834439

>>5834419
> you assist Menelaus in the stripping of the enemy’s panoplia
>Menelaus
Menelaus secretly Odysseus?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:25:22 No.5834439 Report

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>>5834434

Goddamnit - that should be Odysseus, obviously. Why 4chan doesn’t have a “post edit” functionality I’ll never know

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Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:26:44 No.5834443 Report

Quoted By: >>5834446 >>5834451

>>5834423
And Nikandros was already told IC what the gods like the most for tributes for gain their favor.
Kill a lot of animals, found a cult for them, build a city for them and gain lot of glory/renown. A small amount of loot doesn't register for the deities, it is better to use it for personal growth.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:27:45 No.5834446 Report

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>>5834443
Meant to reply to my own post.

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Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:27:54 No.5834448 Report

Quoted By: >>5834452

>>5834429
I guess we could sacrifice the helmet to Nike. She knows what truly happened, even if Athena will try to steal somebody her glory, just like her champions do.
Diomedes is cracked in combat, but given that Menelaus was also chosen to become a god and we know how retarded he is, I'm doubting Homer's statements that he is Heracles 2: this time even more perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:30:15 No.5834450 Report

Quoted By: >>5834454

>>5834419
I expected this. We are currently the equivalent of an intern at a large company/firm. In contrast, Odysseus is a senior manager/partner whose position is so secure they can do whatever they want including taking what is in their mind rightful credit for the accomplishments of those below him. The main reward from this is that having our work taken credit means that our deeds were impressive enough to be worthy of taking credit for. I also think that Odysseus may stop/lessen shit-talking us now since we have helped prop up his enormous ego, are good at following orders, and have shown we won't stupidly contradict him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:30:17 No.5834451 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834443
Well, there goes that idea

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:31:52 No.5834452 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834448
The opposite this is too small.
We need to use it for ourselves, we lack in Timae and any upgrade we can have are better than none. We aren't strong and we are a minor player.
Hell i would keep it for Agyros so I am sure he has better chances to live.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:33:53 No.5834454 Report

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>>5834450
We also have learned that he is the Gildroy Lockhart type. When dealing with people like this actually knowing how they conduct busy will assist us in not getting screwed later down the line.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 14:44:17 No.5834464 Report

Quoted By:

Also i am pissed we once again couldn't loot because of the high nobility around us. If it wasn't for them we would be loaded with cash.
Having some money before entering Troy would have been nice. Buying useful tools, equipment, weapons, upgrades or consumables.
But it is what it is. Maybe we could do some pettaia and get some coins against Troy nobles. Without any big names there ready to play against us and rob us, or force us in another debt of course.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:15:55 No.5834490 Report

Quoted By: >>5834495 >>5834498 >>5834500 >>5834501 >>5834502 >>5834503 >>5834506 >>5834527 >>5834640 >>5834734 >>5834797

As the afternoon continues, you grapple with your new dilemma.

You’re currently aboard a vessel with Odysseus, and there are at least three days of rowing until the docks of Ilion are within sight. Your typical activities – building relationships with your crewmates – may put you in direct contact with Odysseus, and any exposure with the King of Ithaka risks discovery of your compact with Electra. Simultaneously, you’re loathe to forgo the opportunity to build your relationships with Palamedes and Menelaus – with Ilion practically within sight, you must do everything in your power to improve your standing with these men.

It may be better to abandon Menelaus’ ship when the galleys are stowed upon the beaches later tonight, although your departure may raise Odysseus’ suspicions in its own right. Is it better to stay aboard and feign the rural brute, or otherwise avoid Odysseus’ keen mind through some attempted deception, or better to escape the vessel outright and risk triggering his curiosity? You wrestle with your thoughts, unsure how to proceed.

>How does Nikon spend his final days at sea? This vote will close at 4pm EST.

>Attempt to ingratiate yourself with Menelaus as much as you can in the limited time remaining. Odysseus may well notice your attempts here.

>Attempt to find common ground with Odysseus himself. Perhaps your paranoia is overwrought, and you may find some way to build your rapport with the man without risking your conspiracy?

>Spend time with Palamedes. Perhaps it is time to debrief regarding your encounter with the maimed goddess – her shattered skull was a strange foreshadowing of your later duel with the enemy nobleman. And what language was the goddess speaking?

>Attempt to lay low upon the ships of Spartans, avoiding Odysseus’ attentions as best as you can. A clever write-in for the method of this would provide a moderate bonus to your deception attempt.

>Escape the vessel at the nearest opportunity and return to the ship of Ajax – exposure to Odysseus is simply a danger that you cannot risk, even if you may trigger his suspicions in the process.

>Something else I haven’t thought of?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:21:16 No.5834495 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834490
>Spend time with Palamedes. Perhaps it is time to debrief regarding your encounter with the maimed goddess – her shattered skull was a strange foreshadowing of your later duel with the enemy nobleman. And what language was the goddess speaking?
Perhaps it would’ve been better for Nikon’s stress if Phil had crushed Odickus in that wrestling match.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:24:06 No.5834498 Report

Quoted By: >>5834505

>>5834490
We can't give Odysseus another reason to suspect us.

>Spend time with Palamedes. Perhaps it is time to debrief regarding your encounter with the maimed goddess – her shattered skull was a strange foreshadowing of your later duel with the enemy nobleman. And what language was the goddess speaking?

Alternatively, we could try and do what was offered before an attempt to learn something from the sailors.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:27:04 No.5834500 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:27:51 No.5834501 Report

Quoted By: >>5834505

>>5834490
>>Something else I haven’t thought of?
>Talk with the spartans soldiers, neither Odysseus or Menelaus should bother you for it and they have little interest in talking with infantry. Instead for us this is an opportunity to talk about their war experience and their training, they are no doubt more than willing to allow us.
I feel like we are done if Odysseus hears us, Memelaus yeah no and that leaves Palamedes. Laying low i am sorry but i just dont see it, we are tall and big. Even if we do mundane tasks or training/learning for something people will look at us. I guess if is something Odysseus considers boring it can work.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:f3DtSMr5 Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:28:59 No.5834502 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834490
>>Spend time with Palamedes. Perhaps it is time to debrief regarding your encounter with the maimed goddess – her shattered skull was a strange foreshadowing of your later duel with the enemy nobleman. And what language was the goddess speaking?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:nSDbL0Nc Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:29:22 No.5834503 Report

Quoted By: >>5834507 >>5835870

>>5834490
>Spend time with Palamedes. Perhaps it is time to debrief regarding your encounter with the maimed goddess – her shattered skull was a strange foreshadowing of your later duel with the enemy nobleman. And what language was the goddess speaking?
me from >>5833313
I really hope we unlock the bone lengthening sidequest. We can swim to the island of the Cyclopes, pretend to be one of them and call out Ody's Nobody ruse at the worst moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:30:17 No.5834505 Report

Quoted By: >>5834511

>>5834501
Also I suspect Odysseus or Menelaus will try and hear what we say with Palamedes . And since we didn't tell them what happened i am not sure how they will take it

>>5834498
Ajax ship has the salaminians sailors and marines. This is the spartans soldiers one.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:32:04 No.5834506 Report

Quoted By: >>5834511

>>5834490

whichever options wins i propose to stonewall Odysseus talking with us with the following method.

badly fake obsession with the stone bust
every time he starts to talk with us bring up stone sculpting and where would such cheap but well made busts could have come from.
rocks rocks and more rocks if he tries to bring it up in public or make fun of it tell him that you've been inspired by his brilliant use for war with a cordial tone.

it may keep Menelaus from approaching us but maybe Palamedes will get some snickers out of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:32:22 No.5834507 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834503
>swim
I am sorry do you want to die in a storm or be eaten ? Its not near is very far away.
Last thing i want is being near Odysseus he can suffer all his years away from home for me.

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Anonymous ID:f3DtSMr5 Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:40:07 No.5834511 Report

Quoted By: >>5834629

>>5834505
>Also I suspect Odysseus or Menelaus will try and hear what we say with Palamedes . And since we didn't tell them what happened i am not sure how they will take it

>Hey Pala, you remember... that?
>I tell you once and I tell you again, forget about that.
>I am worry, sorry.
>Forget then, and the worry will go away.
>*Odysseus go mad thinking what we talking about*

>>5834506
>badly fake obsession with rocks

Fake?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Sat 18 Nov 2023 15:58:47 No.5834527 Report

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sat 18 Nov 2023 17:18:50 No.5834629 Report

Quoted By: >>5834766

>>5834511
while we usually limit the sperg about rocks i feel that in this case Odysseus deserves the full autistic blast every time he opens his mouth.

and by fake i meant make it clear to all we are doing so just to fuck with him, which he will interpret as us being displeased by his lies and being petty about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 17:34:51 No.5834640 Report

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Anonymous ID:I4fsiMqk Sat 18 Nov 2023 18:07:44 No.5834659 Report

Quoted By:

Just remember that we want to grab the combat trait from Ajax first, if possible. Would be nice if we didn't have to win just barely by the skin of our teeth all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sat 18 Nov 2023 19:22:40 No.5834734 Report

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:00:02 No.5834766 Report

Quoted By: >>5834775

>>5834368
Thank you boss.

>>5834629
>"In the hills of Thessaly there are many stones smote by the Mighty Zeus. They take on a glossy, shiny appearance but grow brittle. Much unlike common stone. And trees! When struck also turn to stone, small, soft, blackened stones that crumble in the hand like so much dust. It is fascinating in that it also burns quite well. And still the boulders carved from the mountains and rubble exhumed from the mines carry so many different lusters and textures that it boggles the mind. How many stones could there be, keen Odysseus? When it is no limestone, nor marble, nor granite. Not the shale or slate. No sandstone or simple sea-kissed rock. Ah the qualities of stone. Do you know quick-witted Odysseus that stones are in fact porous? One would think with their strong exteriors and great weight that they could never allow the passage of water and yet they do. How strange, and quietly amusing. Perhaps this is the method that the Earth-Shaker used to do as his epitaph suggests! Wise Odysseus, what stone have you used to erect the walls on Ithaca? Wait do not tell me, I will guess..."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:13:39 No.5834775 Report

Quoted By: >>5834780 >>5834807

>>5834766
>Nikandros fathers Geology purely to spite Odysseys

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:18:34 No.5834780 Report

Quoted By: >>5834784 >>5834787 >>5834788 >>5834793

>>5834775
>nikandros teaching people about the different qualities of various stones; colorized
Honestly though that would be hilarious. Palamedes overhears Nikon bullshitting about rocks from memory with all of their qualities and decides it actually is kind of interesting cause he's a nerd who never goes outside enough so he unironically sits down and discusses rocks with him. All while Odysseus pulls his hair out at being ignored.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:22:26 No.5834784 Report

Quoted By: >>5834798

>>5834780
I voted for talking with Palamedes about the foreign divinity but the idea of also talking to him about rocks and him being genuinely interested is to good to pass up. Perhaps we could hypothesize where the stone used in the busts originated from.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:25:08 No.5834787 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834780
I can get behind talking about rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:25:46 No.5834788 Report

Quoted By: >>5834798

>>5834780
That image is inaccurate, Nikon does not need proximity to share his love of rocks to others.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:29:04 No.5834790 Report

Quoted By:

What type of rock is best for throwing, building with, using as training stones, units of measurement, what rocks are most valuable, what rocks are native to which area, our rock competition with Ajax, etc...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:31:31 No.5834793 Report

Quoted By: >>5834798

>>5834780
>Palamedes: "Did you know, Nikandros, that the metals used in the creation of bronze come from a type of stone?"
>Nikandros sits down: "Tell me more."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:33:27 No.5834797 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834490
>Something else I haven’t thought of?
Fish

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:33:27 No.5834798 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834784
>using nikon's knowledge of stones from his days spent hunting and hiking, as well as his examinations of stones to know what to best make walls and fortifications out of and using palamedes categorical knowledge of trade routes and various art they narrow down the approximate region where the bust was both mined and chiseled

>>5834788
That reminds me of "I know a guy from Rhodes who is nifty with a sling." except now it's "I know a giant from Thessaly who is nifty with a boulder" and instead of wearing an eye patch he's got no legs.

Also I just thought, Palamedes will probably come up with the various terms to describe rocks, like metamorphic and those other fancy ones.

>>5834793
>sound of stone grinding as nikon rotates on his seat to fully face pal-amedes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:36:54 No.5834807 Report

Quoted By: >>5834821

>>5834775
We have already greatly admired the walls we have seen so far, respect and admire the defensibility of such stone walls, and shit-talked shoddy walls.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 20:41:26 No.5834821 Report

Quoted By:

>>5834807
I think Nikon also was interested in the giant carved throne in Mycenae. It was a big stone one, right?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Sat 18 Nov 2023 21:00:42 No.5834845 Report

Quoted By: >>5834929 >>5834933

>took some time off from the internet today
>return to TWQ thread

Someone mock up a meme image of Dr. Nikandros Hippmedion, Prof. of Applied Geology.

I’m phone posting but seems like a clear majority for PALAMEDES NERD CONVO. The update will likely come tomorrow morning EST, there is an 80% chance I will be occupied later tonight.

Enjoy the night off fellas, thank you for your continued interest!

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 22:25:27 No.5834929 Report

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>>5834845
The fuck does a diploma look like, anyway? I have no idea what they're supposed to say kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sat 18 Nov 2023 22:39:51 No.5834933 Report

Quoted By: >>5834959

>>5834845
As someone with a real-life master's degree in applied geology, I can neither confirm nor deny I have hucked many rocks at things, injured multiple shins and sets of toes with them (some of them not even mine) and enjoy assaulting strangers on public transport with geoscience nerdery.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 18 Nov 2023 23:12:39 No.5834959 Report

Quoted By: >>5834978

>>5834933
Share your wisdom, which rock tastes the best? Not including salt.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sat 18 Nov 2023 23:41:06 No.5834978 Report

Quoted By: >>5835257

>>5834959
Can't say many of them taste like much. Sylvite is bitter and quite unpleasant, mudrocks and marl taste like powdery dirt and pyrite is quite sharp and metallic tasting.
All in all, rocks generally don't taste good. At least halite is just salt.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 19 Nov 2023 03:12:57 No.5835229 Report

Quoted By: >>5835348

false alarm on the delay tonight, my rambunctious friend from college has been partially tamed by his new girlfriend...but this is a good development for him

Of the options available to you, it seems that connecting with Palamedes represents the most cautious and therefore preferable approach – additionally, you deem it less likely that Odysseus would be eavesdropping during any such meeting between yourself and Palamedes Nauplides. You are hardly adept at palace intrigue, but Odysseus Laertides’ venomous hatred for Palamedes, scion of Nauplius, is both obvious and constant. Although, the paranoia that you have developed over the past several months makes you doubt everything – does Odysseus truly hate the reedy prince of Euboea, or is it merely a useful ruse for Odysseus to deploy? There is no deception too clever to put beyond the King of Ithaka, but you put the thought out of your head – this way madness lies.

Finding Palamedes is a trivial effort – he has a tendency to lie in his bunk, scribbling madly against his wax tablet, his papyrus scrolls, or both in quick succession. You approach him on the morning of the second day, as the Spartan galley passes the narrow strait between Tenedos and the Troad.
As you approach the man’s bunk, nestled cozily in the bow-side hold, Palamedes does not look up from his hide maps. Nonetheless, Palamedes calls out calmly, even as his gold-flecked eyes scan the leather rolls in his lap.

“I have been expecting you, Thessalian.”

You aren’t surprised by the pronouncement – the man is brilliant in his own right, and has no doubt deduced the rationale for your attempt at rapprochement. His thin beard and unimpressive physique do him a disservice – perhaps he is similar to Teukros, in his undervaluation. You clear your throat and speak:

“Prince Palamedes – I hope to converse with you regarding the Lelegian tem –“ Palamedes holds a slender hand up in warning, his eyes finally meeting your own. You hold your tongue, politely waiting for his reply. Rather than address your question, he instead clears his throat, and delivers a short sermon:

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 19 Nov 2023 03:18:29 No.5835232 Report

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“My father, King Nauplius, is the son of Poseidon. Myself and my two brothers, Oeax and Nausimedon, are therefore the grandsons of Poseidon Aigaios himself. Nikandros Bouleeis, through virtue of my father’s relationship with Poseidon Πελαγαιος, we have decades of experience and exposure to the whims of the divinities – the tricks and pranks that they play against one another, and also the crimes that they perpetrate against one another. What I know if this - the gods demand our respect and worship, but their favor is sparing, and their mercies few. And as for the crueties that they visit upon one another - it is best not to speak of such things – daimons and divines are quick to punish those who spill the secrets of Olympus.”

The carefully-marshalled speech irritates you – of course, you know the man’s heritage, and beyond this, you also carry the ichor of divinity within your veins. Your heritage provides you with greater claim to such knowledge - although it is perhaps true that with an unknown divine progenitor, you are less deserving of such information. Before you can interject, Palamedes continues:

“Let me speak plainly, Thessalian – mortals who embed themselves in the politics of the divines have short lives. Forgive my bluntness, but you, of all Hellenes, should understand this. Curiosity in the affairs of the divines is amongst the most dangerous of all mortal traits.”

Palamedes stares at you expectantly; clearly, he anticipates an answer.

>what do, /qst/? This vote will close at 8am EST tomorrow morning.

>Push the issue of the temple, applying what powers of persuasion you have to loosen his tongue and reveal what he learned through discourse with the maimed goddess.

>Intimidate Palamedes into spilling his secrets. You have been reluctant to apply such tactics in the past, but the physical disparity between you can be exploited to your benefit.

>Inquire with Palamedes about his knowledge of…sculpture trade along the Aegean. The bust you used to slay the enemy nobleman was finely carved, and you’re honestly curious if he might know more about the methods by which these busts are created. Where is the stone quarried and which stone is best to use for such creative pursuits? You find yourself interested in these details, despite no previous interest in the creative arts.

>Offer instead to play Palamedes in a game of petteia, dropping the current conversation. You have heard that Palamedes is a man who delights in games and in intellectual pursuits – no doubt he is skilled at the placement of stones.

>Something else?

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Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sun 19 Nov 2023 03:20:06 No.5835234 Report

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>>5835232
>Inquire with Palamedes about his knowledge of…sculpture trade along the Aegean. The bust you used to slay the enemy nobleman was finely carved, and you’re honestly curious if he might know more about the methods by which these busts are created. Where is the stone quarried and which stone is best to use for such creative pursuits? You find yourself interested in these details, despite no previous interest in the creative arts.

ROCK AND STONE

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Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sun 19 Nov 2023 03:23:53 No.5835238 Report

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>>5835232
>>Inquire with Palamedes about his knowledge of…sculpture trade along the Aegean. The bust you used to slay the enemy nobleman was finely carved, and you’re honestly curious if he might know more about the methods by which these busts are created. Where is the stone quarried and which stone is best to use for such creative pursuits? You find yourself interested in these details, despite no previous interest in the creative arts.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 03:42:36 No.5835257 Report

Quoted By: >>5835362

>>5834978
What is the prettiest rock?

>>5835232
>>Inquire with Palamedes about his knowledge of…sculpture trade along the Aegean. The bust you used to slay the enemy nobleman was finely carved, and you’re honestly curious if he might know more about the methods by which these busts are created. Where is the stone quarried and which stone is best to use for such creative pursuits? You find yourself interested in these details, despite no previous interest in the creative arts.
In this journey Nikon has discovered his affinity for poetry, and now fine stonework. He is gaining culture.

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 19 Nov 2023 03:48:47 No.5835273 Report

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>>5835232
>Push the issue of the temple, applying what powers of persuasion you have to loosen his tongue and reveal what he learned through discourse with the maimed goddess.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 04:26:28 No.5835339 Report

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The image of a huge man stooped in a ship struggling to ask about stone in an artful way that doesn't make him seem almost childish in his interest and failing is not something I expected to see on this trip. But now I can't resist it.

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Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Sun 19 Nov 2023 04:28:23 No.5835342 Report

Quoted By: >>5835351

>>5835232
It is not reaching into the politics of divinity, it is merely observing the outcome of it.
I know people like the rocks, but could he tell us if the ruined temple and being was a punishment, a loser's fate, or something else entirely? In addition, the rubbings he recovered. What information did he glean from such writings? And if he tries to ward us off of further inquiry, why does he jealously hoard his own knowledge?

>Push the issue of the temple, applying what powers of persuasion you have to loosen his tongue and reveal what he learned through discourse with the maimed goddess.

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Anonymous ID:I4fsiMqk Sun 19 Nov 2023 04:35:12 No.5835348 Report

Quoted By: >>5837771

>>5835229
>Inquire with Palamedes about his knowledge of…sculpture trade along the Aegean. The bust you used to slay the enemy nobleman was finely carved, and you’re honestly curious if he might know more about the methods by which these busts are created. Where is the stone quarried and which stone is best to use for such creative pursuits? You find yourself interested in these details, despite no previous interest in the creative arts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 04:36:18 No.5835351 Report

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>>5835342
I think a better question to ask would be "What do we gain from knowing?". Other than to sate our curiosity, we may get nothing out of it. There's little chance it'll be something we could actually use. I am mighty interested in it myself, but honestly I'd rather build the social link instead. Even if he is a dead man walking without our intervention.

I wouldn't mind asking him if the knowledge is "dangerous" because someone doesn't want it known, or if it's "dangerous" in the sense that hidden knowledge is always a risk to learn. But not actively try to pry the greater truth out of him.

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Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sun 19 Nov 2023 04:39:18 No.5835354 Report

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Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sun 19 Nov 2023 04:44:37 No.5835362 Report

Quoted By: >>5835432

>>5835257
In general, tossup between serpentinite and eclogite. Of the rocks I have lying around, a hunk of marble full of small glittery golden pyrite crystals in fractal-like patterns.

>Inquire with Palamedes about his knowledge of…sculpture trade along the Aegean. The bust you used to slay the enemy nobleman was finely carved, and you’re honestly curious if he might know more about the methods by which these busts are created. Where is the stone quarried and which stone is best to use for such creative pursuits? You find yourself interested in these details, despite no previous interest in the creative arts.
no contest lmao

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Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sun 19 Nov 2023 05:06:09 No.5835409 Report

Quoted By: >>5835432

I was fondling one of my fancy rocks while reading this update btw. A shiny chunk of moonstone that has huge spots of blue incandescence

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Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Sun 19 Nov 2023 05:06:14 No.5835410 Report

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 05:19:22 No.5835432 Report

Quoted By: >>5835471 >>5835518

>>5835362
What are the roughest stones? All the better for building cairns with.

>>5835409
I, too, have fancy rocks. That are probably not real rocks but hey I got em when I was like 4. They are polished smooth and clack nicely. I have no idea what they are kek

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Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sun 19 Nov 2023 05:41:30 No.5835471 Report

Quoted By: >>5835518

>>5835432
Weathered limestone. Ankle-snapping shin-shredder pictured. Pretty soft though.

I couldn't ID those either. Tumbling and polishing erases many of the identifying marks needed for a good ID, and a lot of the colourful stones they sell en masse may have been dyed.

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Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 06:14:44 No.5835502 Report

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Anonymous ID:rfQra+mQ Sun 19 Nov 2023 06:24:15 No.5835518 Report

Quoted By: >>5835550 >>5835830 >>5836053

>>5835432
>>5835471
I find this one many years ago.

Really heavy fucker for its size, always fit nice in my hand, even as a child

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:rfQra+mQ Sun 19 Nov 2023 06:41:08 No.5835538 Report

Quoted By: >>5835553

Someone has more rocks to share?

>>5835502
>Wonder if claiming Nikon's kill will end up biting Odysseus in the ass later on if vengeful family comes knocking.

Kek that would be real sweet

Hell he win aganst that meathead king, so he can't claim that he is too weak to brain that retarded.

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Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sun 19 Nov 2023 06:47:06 No.5835550 Report

Quoted By: >>5835566 >>5835830

>>5835518
Muh moonstone

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Anonymous ID:ULCQXFp5 Sun 19 Nov 2023 06:51:56 No.5835553 Report

Quoted By: >>5835566 >>5835830

>>5835538
Odysseus was using his crazy mode (like he did in Ithaca) for the retard strength bonus. You wouldn't hold madmen responsible for their actions, would you?

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Anonymous ID:1UGjGQ8A Sun 19 Nov 2023 07:04:04 No.5835566 Report

Quoted By:

Rock-inception

>>5835550
Nice

>>5835553
So smart that he can pretend be retarded, truly a might foe

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Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Sun 19 Nov 2023 07:40:06 No.5835610 Report

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 11:23:50 No.5835830 Report

Quoted By: >>5835846 >>5835870

Alright so I have tried to work out a whole ass speech in preparation for the conference. It's gonna be jank and probably shit, but it's better to outline it as soon as possible to try and tweak it or decide to dismiss it out of turn early. It will probably be way too wordy, but that can be addressed. Anywho, here's the pitch.

>"King Menelaus, mighty warrior, crafty statesman, wise ruler. These epithets would be annulled in the eyes of men if you do not show strength. Commoners would mock and nobles disparage you in spite of your achievements; in spite of your greatness. The 'boy' prince of the Trojans would style you impotent in the eyes of the world. He who is your lesser in every way but youth. He who you could crush with your bare hands. He who is unfit to rule any farm in your esteemed estates. He whose glory comes not from any great deed but from his frolicking. You are a greater man. You must prove it by demanding the head of the thief, the remuneration of his theft, and the return of your wife. If they will not totally submit then you must bring them to war. Near the whole of the civilized world stands at your back. The Trojans cannot hope to muster the strength to stop you. They lack the power and will lie and grandstand and attempt to cow or appease you as one might a child. They would disrespect you. Do not let the world think you a doddering old man, shadowed by his brother. Let them not speak of God-like Agamemnon as your shield or the pillar that solely braces your house. You are a great king, glorious, imperious and strong and the only man worthy of the hand of the most beautiful woman in the world. Show them, king of Lacedaemon. Total submission, or their ignoble death at the unstoppable army you and you alone can call to arms."

I'm not good at schmoozing. I'm trying to build him up and bring him down so that he is inflamed but not enraged. Get his passions going while not outright drawing his ire at us for the words used, instead pointing it rightfully at the Trojans and P*ris. Which is extremely hard with the way kings are. At the same time bringing to mind that in this moment he is simply the mightiest man in the world with the strongest army in history ready to join him. Which I hope is an intoxicating realizing for him in the moment. I also left out the talk about how the oath might falter and break down should he not have a strong enough showing here. Which I leave for Teukros to jump in with at some point. A voice of reason to our voice of passion. Alas Nikandros is not actually very suave. Kings and their egos, what a pain in the ass. Well, feel free to pick my bullshit apart. Or discard it entirely. My brain is officially fried kek I'm clocking out for now.

>>5835518
That looks like a dragon's egg or something, dope.

>>5835553
>a man who has at-will tard-strength
By the gods.

>>5835550
That is a -very- cool rock.

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 19 Nov 2023 11:29:18 No.5835836 Report

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>>5835232
There was no doubt that the rock option would win. Also, perhaps we could learn to chisel a helm out of stone or maybe gain the title of The Rock.

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Anonymous ID:1UGjGQ8A Sun 19 Nov 2023 11:39:35 No.5835846 Report

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>>5835830
Nice work anon

>That looks like a dragon's egg or something, dope.

Lol never see it that way

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 19 Nov 2023 12:18:46 No.5835868 Report

Quoted By: >>5835869 >>5835870 >>5835871 >>5835873

You clear your throat and gesture placatingly to Palamedes – or at least, as placatingly as you can, looming over him as you are in the dimly lit, cramped hold.

“Prince Palamedes, all you have said is fair and orderly. I have reconsidered my query - let us put this issue behind us.” Palamedes’ delicate eyebrows raise, his forehead wrinkled finely. And yet, there is something else that has captured your interest. You feel a faint hint of embarrassment within your guts, but quash the feeling - some might consider this next query unbecoming of a nobleman.

“However, I do seek your counsel in another matter. What do you know of the sculpture trade along the Aegean?”

Palamedes stares at you blankly for several long moments.

“The – sculpture trade?” He is uncharacteristically tentative in his reply, perhaps believing that he has misheard you. His gold-flecked eyes narrow over his pointed nose.

“Yes, Prince Palamedes,” you clarify, “The busts within the foreign galley were of impressive manufacture. Even unpainted, they were lifelike – the talent of the man who brought the likenesses of his patrons from the very stone is remarkable. Where are these men trained? What stone is quarried for this purpose and from where?” The questions tumble forth naturally.

Palamedes, perhaps for the first time in your recollection, smiles faintly.

“You surprise me, Nikandros. From your frame, I find myself anticipating brutality and crudeness – but your resemblance to the Tirynian* alone should not dictate my expectation.”

“You are fortunate, Nikandros – I am skilled in the means of manufacture and technical arts. My fathers and brothers were not interested in such things – “Why dirty your hands with the labor of the common people?” my father once asked of me. I have sculpted here and there myself, although I do not count myself as truly skilled in this area. Let us take your last question first – most sculptors of our time now utilize limestone of a dense quality. You see, the stone itself can be porous and sometimes fragile, so one must locate a quarry where the limestone itself has been compressed tightly together in Gaia’s embrace. There are surprisingly few of these quarries that are both easy to access and close enough to a port for transport – many of them also supply materials for construction of fortifications and temples, as you might expect. Now in Hellas, I know of six quarries…”

As you listen to Palamedes speak, you wonder - would it be possible to obtain some limestone of your own? You have the strength and endurance to wield a chisel, you're certain. But then again, you suspect that dexterity and knowledge of the stone would be the critical element...

---

He is suggesting that you are akin to Heracles in size and appearance, who ruled in Tiryns at one point before his ascension.
>Give me a dice+1d2 to see if Odysseus comes to bother you. 1 = he does, 2 = he does not.

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 19 Nov 2023 12:25:35 No.5835869 Report

Quoted By: >>5835884

Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>5835868

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Anonymous ID:ULCQXFp5 Sun 19 Nov 2023 12:29:17 No.5835870 Report

Quoted By: >>5836180 >>5836208 >>5836641

>>5835868
me from >>5834503
>>5835830
I think it could actually work (given good rolls) if we told him in private that Electra asked us to prevent an unacceptable deal; we can spin it as concern for his honor and that of the Atreidae. If he asks why we didn't tell him earlier, we can just say that she warned us about Odysseus.

>"King Menelaus, I must confess that your niece, Princess Electra, has asked me to alter the course of negotiations. She feared that Odysseus would, with his winged words, deceive you into tarnishing your honor before the world."
>"No doubt the lech Paris would boast that great Menelaus and all the mightiest kings of Hellas feared the ire of Troy and were bought off with a pittance - imagine what the Hittites will think when word reaches their ears."
>"With the Oath of Tyndareus null and void, Hellas would tear itself apart and return to war, before barbaroi invade and make slaves of our peoples. Noble king Menelaus, you yourself told me that you meant to avoid war - will you not protect us from strife within and without? Will you allow a child who is your lesser in every aspect to undermine your dignity and steal she who is rightfully yours, just because the leech Odysseus fears that a war on foreign soil would disturb his rule in Ithaca?"

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Anonymous ID:UVxd33zS Sun 19 Nov 2023 12:29:19 No.5835871 Report

Quoted By: >>5835884

Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>5835868
Let us see.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 19 Nov 2023 12:36:36 No.5835873 Report

Quoted By: >>5836205

>>5835868

>(Tier 1) Polymechanos: Some nobles consider knowledge of such trades to be unfit for a man of the blood. Minor nobles like you, born and raised outside the confines of city walls, understand just how valuable the ability to fashion a boat or repair one’s own armor is. Woodworking, metalworking, basic civil engineering, and other such skills are known to you. (+4 intelligence, and a +3 skill concerning basically any mundane artisanal craft).

I wonder what the tier zero of the above would be?

Also, as a reminder.

>Protip: Two of the only Polymechanoi, and one of the only Polypharmakoi, in the entire quest are present on this very diplomatic trip. You should know who they are.

This is an opportunity to learn from one of the smartest men alive and knowing Odysseus he may not be alive much longer.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 19 Nov 2023 12:57:45 No.5835884 Report

Quoted By: >>5835896 >>5836010

>>5835869
>>5835871

Nikon and Palamedes generate an autism force field, repelling the chad Odysseus.

Next update for 1-3pm EST today lads. Put your thinking hats on - the diplomatic scheming will begin the second the galleys are docked at Ilion’s southern port…

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Anonymous ID:UVxd33zS Sun 19 Nov 2023 13:26:26 No.5835896 Report

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>>5835884
BASED!

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 19 Nov 2023 16:19:31 No.5836010 Report

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>>5835884
hello fellow nerds what goes on her-
>rocks
nevermind then carry on

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Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sun 19 Nov 2023 16:58:51 No.5836053 Report

Quoted By: >>5836223 >>5836251

>>5835518
Looks like a rounded-off piece of metallurgical slag to me.

If we're rockposting now, may as well too

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Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Sun 19 Nov 2023 18:24:35 No.5836180 Report

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>>5835870
>Name-dropping Electra

Horrible idea

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 19 Nov 2023 18:39:42 No.5836192 Report

Quoted By: >>5836193 >>5836205 >>5836208 >>5836219

The next day and a half are spent in discourse with Palamedes, a man trained in many methods of artifice and construction. His depth of knowledge, you suspect, may even rival Odysseus’, although Palamedes certainly does not share Laertides' talent for self-promotion. The Euboean seems relieved to share his knowledge with someone, and proudly reveals his set of master craftsman’s tools, complete with various sets of hammers and chisels. You learn a considerable amount from him regarding stonework, sculpting (you practice the very basics of chiseling on the galley’s enormous ballaststone), and even learn some simple mathematics as they relate to civil engineering. Palemedes is not disheartened when he learns of your illiteracy; he instead provides you some useful mnemonics to prompt easy recollection of the relevant ratios.

As for Odysseus, he attempts to join in your educational talks several times, but given that he is already quite familiar with the principles and information being discussed, he is quick to lose patience and depart once again. He does a poor job hiding his irritation, after the third attempt, when he must finally realize that your interest is not a passing curiosity or some clever ruse - that you DO truly intend to listen to Palamedes‘ exhaustive review of the methods of stone wall construction...

Your time with Palamedes culminates in the creation of a small figurine - the Nauplian prince is kind enough to donate to you a fist-sized cube of limestone, and so you spend several hours chipping away at it until you have a crude soldier - or at least, you have the roughly-developed outlines of one. Palamedes offers some blunt critiques of your progress, but you’re oddly fond of the little soldier despite his blocky and ill-formed shape. Palamedes additionally offers to provide you with further instruction, which is a bit surprising to you - until you consider that he might prefer to be accompanied by a friendly giant as much as possible. No doubt he is aware of Odysseus’ wrath, just as you are – he must realize that Odysseus will eventually seek vengeance.

Once halfway completed, you stash your figurine into your traveling chest, besides the carefully-hidden vials of nepenthe, and your small bag of gold and silver talents. It would take even more time to etch the finer details of the stone figure’s face and panoplia, and you have more important business to attend to – the cheering on the main deck suggests that the docks of Ilion are within sight!

>Nikandros gains a “Crude Stone Soldier”!
>Nikandros unlocks the [PETRAMECHANOS] trait through his contact with Palamedes!

>cont

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Anonymous ID:E8cVGbJz Sun 19 Nov 2023 18:41:12 No.5836193 Report

Quoted By: >>5836208

>>5836192
Oh yeah bros, we're going to build a sick siege camp for our boys

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 19 Nov 2023 18:51:38 No.5836205 Report

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>>5835873
>>5836192

I was hoping for this.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 18:54:24 No.5836208 Report

Quoted By: >>5836223 >>5836312 >>5836321

>>5835870
I had a much better and more even more emphatic version lined up but I didn't have time to write it down before I forgot it. But I would suggest only mentioning Electra if we are forced to. Despite being his niece, she is still a precocious princess. I don't think he'd appreciate the idea that a little girl has thoughts on how best to deal with his problems. Despite how sharp she really is.

>>5836192
>"Oh hey, you guys talking about "stonework" in here? I know a bit myself."
>"Wait you actually mean stonework and not setting the foundation for schemes? What the fuck?"
>"By Athena's robes they're STILL talking about rocks! I need some unmixed wine..."

>>5836193
You know what I'm thinking? Carving little figures and stuff to better display war plans to the empty-headed ones who cannot into strategy properly. Like pictures in a book.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:01:45 No.5836219 Report

Quoted By: >>5836251 >>5836321

>>5836192
I strongly suspect that knowledge of stonework will greatly assist us in our goal of laying siege to the city of Troy. We may not have the ability or knowledge to construct siege engines but we can be the siege engine.

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Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:03:02 No.5836223 Report

Quoted By: >>5836276 >>5836312

>>5836208
>You know what I'm thinking? Carving little figures and stuff to better display war plans to the empty-headed ones who cannot into strategy properly. Like pictures in a book.

Galaxy brain move here.

>>5836053
Nice rock

>Looks like a rounded-off piece of metallurgical slag to me.

Dont taste like metal tho

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:21:55 No.5836251 Report

Quoted By: >>5836276 >>5836312

>>5836053
How did I miss this delightfully sparkly boy lmao noice

>>5836219
>tfw we'll be able to contribute like Agamemnon wanted us to when he decided to send us on this errand
All it took was nerding out with the biggest book nose on this side of the Aegean. The fact that Palamedes didn't even miss a beat when hearing Nikon couldn't read and still gave him useful tips is great. I think we may have been too harsh on the man prior. Even if it helps him to have big friends.

We should collate the things we've learned and observed along the way into a proper retelling for the great king. What we think about the route we took and the virtues of it, or lack thereof. The measure of the men and kingdoms we'd come across. And of course strategies to aid in surmounting the issues we've noticed in all of this, like feeding the men.

>captcha: JHAHA
'avin' a giggle

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:32:52 No.5836276 Report

Quoted By: >>5836280 >>5836297

>>5836251
>>5836223

Why not carve the terrain we see into stone? I'm sure with tactical genius that is something we could do in character.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:34:48 No.5836279 Report

Quoted By: >>5836297 >>5836300

You leap up to the main deck of the galley, unable to contain your excitement – and clear as day, you see the southern docks of the city. There is an endless forest of bare timber above the waves – the masts of hundreds of ships docked at the southern port of Ilion. As you approach closer, you see that enormous wooden piers have been constructed, jutting out from the swampy coastline; even from here, you see huge numbers of carts, people and animals moving amongst the piers and along wide stone pathways on the coast.

The sheer number of vessels present astounds you – there were fewer vessels at both Mycenae and Salamis! At a glance, you see all types of merchant vessels, naval galleys, fishing boats and shipping barges. Hellenic, Phoenician and other vessels of unclear origin are all present - the variety in ship design and manufacture is overwhelming – it seems that half of the Aegean’s fleet is docked here.

Beyond the piers, there is a ridge extending northwards, occluding your sight beyond. But to the northeast of the piers – there is a depression of the earth, providing a clear line of sight to the steep hill beyond the swamps -

Ilion.

Atop the hill, at the very highest elevation, her sacred citadel gleams in the morning light – an unassailable ringed fortification with walls of white, complete with golden-tipped towers, clothed with hanging gardens and with sashes of immense flags of every color, richly dyed. The flags wave their supremacy, calling to you, saying:

Look here, Thessalian, at our mastery! Look here, Thessalian, at our invincibility!”

You cannot tear your eyes away from the inner walls of the sacred city – they are immaculate, ivorylike. From this distance, they appear to stand impossibly tall and strong - you have no doubt that the legend of their creation by Poseidon, in service to Priam’s father Laomedon, is true – no mortal hands could have sullied their making. Your knees tremble – your breath catches in your throat. For the first time since you set off from your home in rural Thessaly, your true destiny – eternal glory – feels like it is within reach.

Within the citadel, there are enormous structures of beauty – the largest is no doubt the famous Temple of Athena, richly painted. Even from this distance, you can see that it has been carved with endless reliefs and adorned with massive statues of exquisite creation. Besides the Temple, there is a vast courtyard and a sprawling palace that can only be the domain of King Priam and his family. You struggle with the sheer size of these constructions – they dwarf even the largest buildings in Mycenae. You – you did not believe that men could build so high.

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Anonymous ID:E8cVGbJz Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:35:14 No.5836280 Report

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>>5836276
>Here's my topographical map of the Trojan Plain
>Now, as you can see here, this region of hills would be an ideal place for the center of the battle line to be stationed...

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:45:32 No.5836297 Report

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>>5836276
>brain continues to expand
By the end of the war Nikon is gonna have a war table that needs three men to lift and a chest full of free-standing pieces for detail.

>>5836279
Damn. It's good to be filthy fucking rich. I can only imagine how well equipped their soldiers are.

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:49:22 No.5836300 Report

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>>5836279
Just remember why we are doing this.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:50:05 No.5836303 Report

Quoted By: >>5836321 >>5836337 >>5836422

You tear your eyes away from the inner citadel and observe the lower city: under the ivory walls, there are innumerable smaller buildings, palaces, courtyards laid out in orderly lines, with broad stone streets. The lower city is somewhat bisected by a river – the Simeois, and you see smaller ships delivering men and goods along the river’s course to the interior of the city itself. On the outskirts of the lower city, there is yet another fortification – another ring of white walls of perfect manufacture, complete with another set of defensive towers. Finally, below these lower walls, there is a sprawling ocean of wooden and stone huts – you can see that a broad and deep earthen ditch splits this sprawl of lesser buildings in half – you immediately recognize it as a barrier to hostile chariots.

Odysseus, standing besides you on the main deck, cannot stop himself from commenting on your awe:

“Ah, Thessalian – take in these sights well. She is a thing of beauty, is she not? You may not ever return to this place.” The minutes pass slowly, and Ilion slowly sinks behind the coastline ridge, as you approach the piers. Odysseus is speaking, but it takes several moments for you to collect yourself and pay attention to his words.

"- they have created a series of waterways for their use, Nikandros, or otherwise ships would be forced to constantly brave the Dardanelles. From the north - we cannot see it currently, but there is the great harbor of Ilion, and ships enter through the mouth of the network there. Ships pass south, behind the ridge to our east, upon the shoulders of the Simoeis and the Scamander, and disgorge their goods directly into the lower city, or just before the Lower Gates. The military harbor is also upon this manmade passageway - the fleet of Ilion is both large and well-funded, as you can see from the sea traffic surrounding us. And to exit, the Trojans have excavated a water channel through the ridge itself, and so through this system, ships may pass through the harbors. There are gates that separate the smaller harbors from one another - ships are generally only permitted to travel south from the Great Harbor until their exit from the network. It's a clever system - like the one at Nestor's palace in sandy Pylos." Odysseus looks up at you, his handsome face splitting in a warm grin.

"Wear a smile, boy - after long weeks at sea, we will feast and drink, and then sail home Helen in hand!"

"At any rate - it will be simpler for us to notify the port authorities of our arrival, and wait for a messenger from King Priam. No doubt we will be hosted in a palace of a trusted friend to Priam, rather than the Royal Palace itself. The crews will maneuver the ships into the interior harbor until it is time to depart."

>cont

I stole this image from an excellent publication: Searching for the Ports of Troy, by Eberhard Zangger, Michael E. Timpson,
Sergei B. Yazvenko and Horst Leiermann

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:51:06 No.5836308 Report

Quoted By: >>5836312

Vote post will come later tonight at 8-10pm, my apologies. I got so caught up in city layout autism that I ran out of time to finish the update!!

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Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sun 19 Nov 2023 19:53:10 No.5836312 Report

Quoted By: >>5836337

>>5836208
I think we'd benefit from visual aids like that ourselves as well considering we can't use labels and notes at current. That and I can't resist being the general who pushes toy soldiers around on a map with a stick.

>>5836223
>>5836251
I pulled that one out of some fresh blasting rubble in a gold mine. It's really fucking heavy from all the lead and arsenic sulphides in it. I've got lots of other sparklies and shinies around, though this one from the same place has to be one of my favourites. Anyway, I think I've segued into real rockposting enough, this is allegedly a quest thread after all.
Metallurgical slag is a glassy or rocky mix of metallic oxides, silicates, carbonates and other chemical odds and ends that you don't want in the end metal. Rarely is it made of actual metal, since that's what it's been separated from in the furnace.

>>5836308
the amount of tism in this thread is too damn high

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Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sun 19 Nov 2023 20:00:40 No.5836321 Report

Quoted By: >>5836337

>>5836303
>"Wear a smile, boy - after long weeks at sea, we will feast and drink, and then sail home Helen in hand!"
Yeah we'll see about that.

>>5836208
>You know what I'm thinking? Carving little figures and stuff to better display war plans to the empty-headed ones who cannot into strategy properly. Like pictures in a book.
We could also use the figurines in place of Petteia stones! *wink wink*

>>5836219
>greatly assist us in our goal of laying siege to the city of Troy.
Don't forget about the island-hopping campaign Anons thought about in the last thread. We gotta secure supplies for the Hellene forces - presuming we can convince Agamemnon/Menelaus to part with the necessary troops for it.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 20:23:19 No.5836337 Report

Quoted By: >>5836342 >>5836360

>>5836303
Oh fuck they have TWO RIVERS in their layout? It's over guys. We need more rocks.

But Odysseus has quite a bit of insight into this place. He has been here before, I take it? The well traveled stag. But knowing Nestor has something similar is actually kind of useful. We know we can consult him on how best to combat such a set-up. Though the answer will likely be "by not sailing into it and ramming whatever comes out of it".

>>5836312
Crystalline structures are so cool, man. I wonder if Nikandros could separate/distill bismuth if he had Polymechanos and Polypharmakos combined. Dunno why that reminded me of that but hey.

>>5836321
>Yeah we'll see about that.
>"In the business this is what we call "foreshadowing"."

>We could also use the figurines in place of Petteia stones!
Nikandros the petteia champion, famous not only for his skill but his really cool little soldiers on the board. Wargaming lives eternal.

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Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sun 19 Nov 2023 20:27:45 No.5836342 Report

Quoted By: >>5836408

>>5836337
>Spoiler
>"In the grim darkness beyond our borders, there are only Barbaroi."

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Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Sun 19 Nov 2023 20:36:28 No.5836360 Report

Quoted By: >>5836408

>>5836337
I can see the gods pulling a Galatea and turning our OG war game army into a real army the moment we're finished

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 21:29:03 No.5836408 Report

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>>5836342
>"From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, I craved the strength and certainty of bronze."

>>5836360
This raises the question, would we have a bunch of animated tiny soldiers or would we get stone Spartoi full sized style warriors?

Though talking about bronze and animated constructs reminds me that Hephaestus does in fact have robots and shit that he makes. Various kinds, from women to walking tripods. He has some of the coolest toys of all the gods. If only we could get our hands on some of them.

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 19 Nov 2023 21:42:09 No.5836422 Report

Quoted By: >>5836426

>>5836303
Simoeis and the Scamander

two rivers....
and by admission of the QM there will be two big dangerous moments in the Iliad for Nikon

bros i think i cracked the code we just need to be careful about crossing the rivers.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 19 Nov 2023 21:47:51 No.5836426 Report

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>>5836422
Clearly the two biggest dangers are when Achilles leaves and the Trojans push all the way to the ships and when Memnon and the Aethiopian host come. There are no other dangers. None. Zero. The Scamander is a myth he never really fights. He isn't real HE CAN'T HURT US AHHHHH.

Really though there are a few big moments that wouldn't be ideal for Nikon to take part in. Sadly, we cannot avoid them without metagaming. Damn you SEER for not blessing us beyond the veil!

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Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 00:58:09 No.5836570 Report

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Found this song about the Odyssey a couple months ago, it’s a complete retelling of it summarized in 24 minutes. It’s pretty fucking good (despite it being about Odysseus), and it seemed appropriate for the thread.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 01:54:28 No.5836614 Report

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Once within signaling distance, the galleys are directed by men with long poles, topped with signal flags, to a vacated portion of one of the piers. Here, the galleys are just two amongst hundreds, and there’s no great outcry when the vessels are properly secured. Indeed, you’re struck by the efficiency of the Trojan dockmen - no wasted action, no hesitation in the signaling. They are clearly unimpressed by fine black-hulled ships of Hellenic make - no doubt they see many fine ships in the course of a day here.

As soon as the ships are docked, your galleys are quickly approached by dark-featured taxmen with wax tablets, speaking brusquely in Luwian – they step aboard your galleys as if they own them. There’s a minute of confusion before Palamedes is brought forth to interpret on behalf of both Ajax and Menelaus - the docking fees are paid out of Menelaus’ personal wealth, no great expense for one of Hellas’ wealthiest men. It becomes clear to the Trojans that your party is of the highest nobility through this conversation, and King Menelaus requests a runner to Priam’s Royal Palace. A slight commoner man with black eyes and a cascading set of dark curls, a few years younger than yourself, appears after only a few minutes more. It strikes you that King Priam has been expecting your diplomatic party and may have posted such messenger boys across the docks for this very purpose.

Menelaus and Odysseus together dictate a short message aloud, meant for King Priam, and Palamedes translates this for the messenger boy:

“Godlike King Priam, son of Laomedon,

King Menelaus Atreides of Sparta, along with his trusted companions, King Odysseus Laertides of Ithaka, and Prince Ajax Telamonios of Salamis, come humbly to your realm.

As you well know, Helen of Sparta was persuaded by Paris of Ilion to abscond to your beautiful city some months ago. King Menelaus entreats you and your council to discuss just recompense for this breach of propriety. Let us debate resolution to this matter in a fair and orderly manner – let us please Zeus of the wide brows with an accord that preserves the well-being of our families, and of all pious men. Let us feast tonight in the halls of one of your trusted advisors - we eagerly await your response and hope to resolve this small matter with all discretion.”

King Menelaus Atreides.”

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 02:22:18 No.5836627 Report

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To your ear, the message is simpering and shameful - embarrassingly, it does not even directly state that a violation of ξενία has occurred. In your opinion, it is rank cowardice to obscure the truth in such a manner – Menelaus’ mind must be well and truly twisted by Odysseus if he deems this acceptable. You imagine that High King Agamemnon would collapse in apoplexy should he hear such self-debasing language.

Palamedes, you notice, twists his mouth strangely at one point during his translation, and by your side, Teukros frowns slightly – once completed, Odysseus is quick to grasp him by the shoulder in a friendly manner, and speaks –

“Palamedes, I expect that your Hellenic accent may be difficult to interpret… would it not be best to emphasize that we expect to be received tonight by a member of Priam’s court?”

Palamedes stutters in response –

“Why, yes – Odysseus, a fine idea…” and he quickly repeats himself to the messenger boy. You note that Odysseus watches the exchange quite carefully, as does Teukros.

Once the messenger is released, Menelaus, Odysseus and Ajax all change into fine feast robes - in celebration of a successful voyage, they break out reserve amphorae of fine Delian wine, stashed in a corner of Menelaus' hold. It's clear that the leaders of the envoy mean to rest and recuperate for the afternoon before travel to Ilion proper, but for the remainder of the crew, including yourself, Menelaus grants leave for several hours. The dockmen of Ilion explain that having paid your docking fees, all members of the diplomatic envoy are able to travel freely amongst the southern docks, so long as they are unarmored and unarmed, and may enter the sprawl below the Lower Walls, but entrance to Ilion itself is forbidden. You gather that your party is something of a special case and will need be escorted into the High City as a group upon King Priam's orders specifically.

Teukros catches the sleeve of your chiton under the hold, as you head to your bunk to retrieve your bag of currency, and he whispers to you -

"A strange thing, Nikandros - Palamedes translated Menelaus' message incorrectly, at first, requesting three days of rest before requesting the hospitality of a member of King Priam's court."

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 02:32:43 No.5836636 Report

Quoted By: >>5836638 >>5836639 >>5836641 >>5836655 >>5836664 >>5836721 >>5836744 >>5836811 >>5836889 >>5836896 >>5836906 >>5837055 >>5837058 >>5837148

"And then Odysseus somehow divined the error, and forced the correction," you reply thoughtfully. Teukros nods in agreement.

"Teukros, you should know that Palamedes is somewhat aligned with us - he believes that war is preferred to incomplete restitution and the apperance of weakness in the house of Atreus. The deceptions have already begun - Palamedes cannot hope to counter Odysseus' influence upon Menelaus through counsel alone, and so he must be seeking to create discord through other means."

Teukros digests this information for several seconds, before replying -

"A clever trick - a shame it did not succeed, Nikandros. We must keep alert for similar opportunities." You agree with Teukros wholeheartedly - you have neither the winged words, nor the talent in formal address needed to counter Odysseus in the council itself. You must seek out other means to spoil the diplomatic talks and achieve the war that Electra requested. Any means to create chaos and foment discord should be pursued, no matter how trivial or disgusting. You briefly remember a boyhood prank that you had played upon your sister, Deianira - washing her hair with a solution of spoiled goose eggs while she napped outside the estates. The lingering scent was so vile, it prevented nearly all contact with her for two days. You wonder - are there witches here in Ilion?

Once returned to the main deck, you consider your next action, as you sip Delian wine. The city of Ilion itself is closed to you, but there is much that could be achieved despite this.

>This vote will close at 8am EST tomorrow. I would encourage players to start thinking strategically - how can you make diplomacy between two factions of people difficult?

>Speak with Ajax and attempt to persuade him to align with your efforts? The bond between you is still burgeoning, but time is running out.

>Speak with Menelaus and attempt to counter Odysseus' influence?

>Speak with Odysseus and attempt to ingratiate yourself with the man?

>Explore the docks with Palamedes - he is currently preparing to mingle alongside the crews of hundreds of vessels - no doubt he is hoping to learn something of value with respect to the

>Spend time with the Dioscuri - it seems that Pollux and Castor are eager to visit the sprawl and spend a few hours away from the ocean. You wonder if you might seek out a seer or a witch...

>Visit the sprawl with Teukros - perhaps it is possible to catch the messenger boy before he enters the Lower City and amend his message to King Priam?

>Seek out the Trojan port authority and send a second messenger to Priam's court? With Teukros, you may be able to send dueling messages, thus breeding confusion in the house of Laomedon.

>Something else?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 02:34:03 No.5836638 Report

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>>5836636

>no doubt he is hoping to learn something of value with respect to the

Oops, formatting error. This should read:

"- no doubt he is hoping to learn something of value with respect to the upcoming council meeting."

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Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Mon 20 Nov 2023 02:38:47 No.5836639 Report

Quoted By: >>5837050

>>5836636
>Speak with Ajax and attempt to persuade him to align with your efforts? The bond between you is still burgeoning, but time is running out.
Maybe get Teukros involved as well?

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Anonymous ID:mklEHWVZ Mon 20 Nov 2023 02:40:50 No.5836641 Report

Quoted By: >>5836889 >>5836896 >>5836936 >>5837050

>>5836636
>Seek out the Trojan port authority and send a second messenger to Priam's court? With Teukros, you may be able to send dueling messages, thus breeding confusion in the house of Laomedon.
me from >>5835870
Thinking about it, we could just send Palamedes' original message this way, making it seem like a mixup on their end. That way nothing can be tied back to us.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 02:57:45 No.5836655 Report

Quoted By: >>5836663 >>5837050

>>5836636
>>Spend time with the Dioscuri - it seems that Pollux and Castor are eager to visit the sprawl and spend a few hours away from the ocean. You wonder if you might seek out a seer or a witch...
If we're lucky we may find some specifically useful thingamabob from some occultist or other. The gifts of ritual are many. I would love to pull Menelaus aside and hit him with my goofy mockup but now probably isn't the best time and Odysseus would likely shut us down hard since there is nothing stopping him from doing so in this moment.

On the other hand, sending a runner with the wrong message might buy us a night or morning extra. Though more than likely it would just result in Menelaus taking initiative and complaining at Priam to begin the talks now, or a confused Priam asking Menelaus what the hell he wants to do.

I'm not quite sure what to do here. Hanging with Palamedes of the Dioscuri has been fruitful for us though, generally. Either of them is liable to come across something juicy.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 03:06:33 No.5836663 Report

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>>5836655
>Palamedes of the Dioscuri
I meant OR not of. Fat fucking fingers kek

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Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 03:06:42 No.5836664 Report

Quoted By: >>5837050

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Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Mon 20 Nov 2023 04:10:36 No.5836721 Report

Quoted By: >>5837050

>>5836636
>>Seek out the Trojan port authority and send a second messenger to Priam's court? With Teukros, you may be able to send dueling messages, thus breeding confusion in the house of Laomedon.

Seems smart

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Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 20 Nov 2023 04:35:52 No.5836744 Report

Quoted By: >>5837050

>>5836636
>Explore the docks with Palamedes - he is currently preparing to mingle alongside the crews of hundreds of vessels - no doubt he is hoping to learn something of value with respect to the

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 20 Nov 2023 05:29:33 No.5836811 Report

Quoted By: >>5836817 >>5836845 >>5836858 >>5837050 >>5837406

>>5836636
>Something else?
Go to a whorehouse.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 05:33:30 No.5836817 Report

Quoted By: >>5837135

>>5836811
No no Achilles is still outside Mycenae.

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Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Mon 20 Nov 2023 06:05:57 No.5836845 Report

Quoted By: >>5836851 >>5837135 >>5837406

I feel that Odysseus will stop trying to kill Palanerd after the talks because it wont matter then, but maybe we could invite him to go with us on the way back just to be sure. Let the asshole alone to ride with a crying Memelaus all the way to Hellas.

>>5836811
>>Something else?
>Go to a whorehouse

We can't go to the palace yet

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 06:11:51 No.5836851 Report

Quoted By: >>5836955 >>5837058 >>5837126

>>5836845
>I feel that Odysseus will stop trying to kill Palanerd after the talks because it wont matter then
"Canonically" Odysseus holds the grudge for nearly a decade before finally bashing Palamedes' skull in with a rock or something. Odysseus has zero chill and he holds to his grudges like he's a dwarf from a certain hammer made for war. I wouldn't be surprised if his "heroic flaw" is the same as Nira's.

also
>We can't go to the palace yet
kek. So sad, Cassandra is a catch. Also too bad she's cursed.

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Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 06:17:18 No.5836858 Report

Quoted By: >>5836859 >>5837050

>>5836811
Last time we did we got some pretty good info. So I’ll support

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 06:20:37 No.5836859 Report

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>>5836858
To be fair, last time we also knew exactly which brothel to go to, and exactly which questions to ask. This isn't really the same scenario. I mean, unless we literally walk in on Paris balls deep or something. Which is unlikely because he's a pissbaby who ran back home to hide even though he's exiled. Fucking turd.

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Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 20 Nov 2023 06:55:22 No.5836889 Report

Quoted By: >>5837050

>>5836636
>>5836641
+1

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Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Mon 20 Nov 2023 07:02:28 No.5836896 Report

Quoted By: >>5837050

>>5836641
>>5836636
Support this write in

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Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Mon 20 Nov 2023 07:15:29 No.5836906 Report

Quoted By: >>5836921 >>5836955 >>5837050

>>5836636
>Spend time with the Dioscuri - it seems that Pollux and Castor are eager to visit the sprawl and spend a few hours away from the ocean. You wonder if you might seek out a seer or a witch...

Maybe we can incite Pollux to misbehave and do some of his classic shenanigans, thus spoiling the diplomatic approach.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 07:41:46 No.5836921 Report

Quoted By: >>5836955

>>5836906
>"Hey Pollux, I hear Paris called you a poopoo peepee head and that your sister was stinky."
>pollux:

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Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Mon 20 Nov 2023 08:18:48 No.5836936 Report

Quoted By: >>5837050

>>5836641
+1

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Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Mon 20 Nov 2023 09:02:25 No.5836955 Report

Quoted By: >>5836957 >>5836958

>>5836851
It would make sense

>>5836906
>>5836921

I dont want to lie to Pollux, he is a big bro and was really nice to us, same as his brother.

Just let him know that we will back him up in whatever stupid plot he will cook up to save his sister.

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Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Mon 20 Nov 2023 09:07:11 No.5836957 Report

Quoted By: >>5836963 >>5838132

>>5836955
We don't need to lie, the man's a natural troublemaker, just hitting the docks and getting a few drinks is a sure way to cause mayhem

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 09:07:20 No.5836958 Report

Quoted By: >>5836963

>>5836955
I'd rather assure him we plan on having his sister returned unharmed than tell him we'll throw our lot in with him. In case he decides to say the same sorta shit Odysseus is gonna say. Or, steal into the palace and try to re-kidnap his sister. We're not built for stealth.

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Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Mon 20 Nov 2023 09:14:16 No.5836963 Report

Quoted By: >>5836972

>>5836957
That is true, but It would make me feel like Odysseus using someone as a pawn idk

>>5836958
>I'd rather assure him we plan on having his sister returned unharmed than tell him we'll throw our lot in with him.

I like this. Hell fuck Memelaus, if we ever give the Nepenthe to someone so he can give it to Helen, better be Pollux and Castor

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 09:31:53 No.5836972 Report

Quoted By: >>5836983

>>5836963
Honestly, yeah. I trust Pollux and Castor with the brain-brew more than Menelaus. As brash as Pollux is he isn't a fool. And as reticent as Castor is he knows when to act. I'm sure Menelaus is more cunning than we give him credit for, but he's also foolish and impulsive, and perhaps even overeager. He's more likely to blow his chance than the Dioscuri are. Even if I am reluctant to part with either of our vials.

That being said, we absolutely must keep one charge of the brew for the future. Because I am a metagaming prick who wants to save Ajax. That is the one allowance I have given myself for voting meta. Otherwise I just try my best with what I think Nikon knows. I want to save him because it'd hurt Teukros to lose him. Failing that, we'd bring his body back so Teukros doesn't get disowned and exiled so those prick larpers in the future don't claim that Teukros founded one of their shit-filled cities.

Still not sure if Helen has been bewitched or just seduced though. Paris does have genuine pull and despite being the weediest of the weedy he's pretty. He basically hard-specced into charisma and bowmanship. He's shit at everything else. But in those two areas he's hard to match. I don't think he's a better shot than Teukros, but he's a better shot than pretty much everyone else on either side. Of course, Apollo helps him out a lot, too. So maybe that skews it.

Did I mention Paris is a runty cunt? Also, protect your toes. He will shoot them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Mon 20 Nov 2023 09:52:58 No.5836983 Report

Quoted By: >>5836989

>>5836972
Lets see how much help that bowmanship give him when he face Memelaus in a duel lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 09:59:38 No.5836989 Report

Quoted By: >>5837002

>>5836983
He doesn't need to be a good fighter when the gods simp over him. Dude gets assistance and bailouts as much as Aeneas does I swear. Literally the only reason he gets anything is because for some reason he is subject to divine providence at an alarming rate. Boy honestly gets plot armor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Mon 20 Nov 2023 10:16:29 No.5837002 Report

Quoted By: >>5837010

>>5836989
There are only two reasons for the trojan war lasted so long:
>The greeks don't have a reliable chain of food and material
>The gods put the foot down whenever the greeks were winning too much for their taste

The whole city of Troy have plot armor. Minus Hector lol. That men deserved better.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 10:25:11 No.5837010 Report

Quoted By: >>5837027

>>5837002
Hector really only made one mistake, being Paris' brother. I would say killing Patroclus and drawing Achilles' ire but Achilles would have wound up killing him eventually regardless.

Come to think of it, is Hector the only Trojan who has a god directly fuck with him specifically to dick him over? Man is a fucking unit.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Mon 20 Nov 2023 11:00:33 No.5837027 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837010
And full blood human too. Smart, loving, strong, skillful, level-head and more. The dude was born to early to become a high king, and to late to be a legendary leader of yore.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 11:56:34 No.5837050 Report

Quoted By:

One hour warning! Tally so far:

Chill with Big Jay

>>5836639

Send a second messenger from TPA (Trojan Port Authority)

>>5836641
>>5836721
>>5836889
>>5836896
>>5836936

Go cruising in LBA Slumtown with the twins

>>5836655
>>5836664
>>5836906

Ship autistry with Pally boy

>>5836744

Check out the hookers in Slumtown

>>5836811
>>5836858

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Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Mon 20 Nov 2023 12:04:01 No.5837055 Report

Quoted By:

>>5836636
>>>Seek out the Trojan port authority and send a second messenger to Priam's court? With Teukros, you may be able to send dueling messages, thus breeding confusion in the house of Laomedon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 20 Nov 2023 12:06:08 No.5837058 Report

Quoted By: >>5837061 >>5837063 >>5837117

>>5836851
Nikon meets Cassandra and falls in love
Cassandra reveals he left Eucaste a surprise

>Fair Cassandra your demeanor reminds me of my sister, won't you accept this fine rock as dowry?
>i understand you don't mean to offend strong armed Nikandros but you will already have a child

king Priam marries them on the spot as a couple made for each other

>>5836636
>Something else?

>find the bronzesmith apprentice you need to spear

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 12:10:24 No.5837061 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837058
>reminds me of my sister
Anon, pls no, I'll lose my sanity if Nikon flirts with a woman by saying this.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 12:18:23 No.5837063 Report

Quoted By: >>5837098

>>5837058

>Find Auletes, the bronzesmith you swore an oath to kill

Nikon hasn’t forgotten about this but he will learn shortly that the Bronzesmithing district is within the Lower City and therefore Auletes is off-limits to him until your party has been escorted into Ilion proper.

So feel free to vote for another option, Nikon will get a chance of murder him in the next day or two.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VFtTtsPO Mon 20 Nov 2023 13:18:20 No.5837098 Report

Quoted By: >>5837116 >>5837117 >>5837122

>>5837063
Will the original bronzesmith find out about the murder or is this just personal satisfaction/honouring an oath and the gods smile type deal?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 13:40:37 No.5837116 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837098

>Will Polypias eventually find out if you scammed him?

Yes, but it might not be for years.

>personal satisfaction/honouring an oath and the gods smile type deal?

Nikandros has the Dutiful trait, which beyond the mechanical impact on level up, means that he will generally want to honor the oaths he swears. He DID basically on Zeus’ authority to kill Auletes, so as mortal oaths go, it’s a strong one.

There are other implications later on breaking/holding to the oath but I won’t spoil any surprises.

Next update from 2-4pm EST today.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:tlyN6bq5 Mon 20 Nov 2023 13:43:01 No.5837117 Report

Quoted By: >>5837122

>>5837098
The gods will not kill us for not honor the oath, but it will be hurt us in the long run

>>5837058
>>Fair Cassandra your demeanor reminds me of my sister, won't you accept this fine rock as dowry?

>SEXO

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3A1D8L/ Mon 20 Nov 2023 13:57:32 No.5837122 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837098
>>5837117
When you swear an oath, bear in mind that the Erinyes punish those who take false oaths. Whether it happens or not, it's especially meaningful for a man with one foot in the world of spirits.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Mon 20 Nov 2023 14:09:34 No.5837126 Report

Quoted By:

>>5836851
Cassandra belongs to the SEER
As he doesn't exists, she will have to be Agammenon's ruin

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 20 Nov 2023 14:25:20 No.5837135 Report

Quoted By:

>>5836817
>>5836845
>No no Achilles is still outside Mycenae.
>We can't go to the palace yet
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Mon 20 Nov 2023 14:41:28 No.5837148 Report

Quoted By: >>5837281

>>5836636
>>Visit the sprawl with Teukros - perhaps it is possible to catch the messenger boy before he enters the Lower City and amend his message to King Priam?
kill ! KILL !

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 18:49:32 No.5837281 Report

Quoted By: >>5837397

>>5837148

Sadly you missed the voting window, anon. Honestly I'm surprised that you were the only anon to hit upon the most straightforward strategy of flat-out murdering the messenger before they reach the city.

Admittedly, a giant sprinting through the docks and sprawl of Ilion before crushing the skull of a native Trojan would have been quite noticeable...

>update inbound shortly

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 19:11:37 No.5837287 Report

Quoted By: >>5837296 >>5837298 >>5837305

Rolled 20, 16, 14, 3 = 53 (4d20)

You decide to make your first move of the council – to strike your first blow against comity between Achaeans and Trojans. By sending a second messenger to the Royal Palace with a competing message from King Menelaus, you hope to create confusion and begin the process of destabilization of the talks. To your benefit, the Dioscuri and Palamedes have left the galleys to wander the docks, or the sprawl outside the Lower City – you hope their absences will help to obscure your responsibility for your deed.

While Ajax, Menelaus and Odysseus celebrate the successful voyage in the warm afternoon, you explain the details of your plan to Teukros in an isolated corner of the Salaminian galley’s hold, given that his Luwian proficiency is required for the scheme. You find that he is amenable – after all, he has become a trusted friend and furthermore, you have previously convinced him that full restitution to Menelaus must be paid. If the Trojans offer anything less, justice can and must be delivered at the point of the spear. You explain to Teukros that in your view, some friction between the factions is preferable in order to ensure the proper outcome - Teukros accepts this without further evaluation. As you speak with him, it occurs to you that you have not been entirely truthful with the bastard – you have no interest in a successful diplomatic resolution, of course – but with luck, this inconvenient truth will not come to light and damage your friendship with the man.

>Nikandros automatically passes his CHA check to convince Teukros to participate in this scheme, given their strong bond of friendship and previous discussion with him!

Of course, you should not be noticed absent from the galleys - you must create the appearance that you have been on-board the galleys for the entire afternoon. To that end, you make a show of consuming a significant quantity of celebratory Delian wine before Ajax, Menelaus, Odysseus and Palamedes, and then wait for your opening to steal away from the vessels with Teukros. As for Teukros - the man is a near-teetotaler by nature, and takes only small sips of wine as is his habit.

>I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+6 to determine how convincing Nikandros' drunkenness charade is - this is a (CHA+INT/2) + 3 bonus roll due to favorable strategy that I am selecting automatically. I'm rolling on my own for...reasons.

Fortunately, you don’t need to wait long – between the warm summer day, the exquisite Delian wine and the soporific effects of the last reserves of cattle from the Dioscuri’s earlier raid along the Troad coastline, Odysseus and Menelaus retire from the deck of the Spartan vessel for rest, and Ajax and Palamedes settle into an engaging conversation regarding the surrounding ships in the docks, and speculation about their performance in naval battle.

>cont

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 20 Nov 2023 19:22:45 No.5837296 Report

Quoted By: >>5837300

Rolled 14 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5837287

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Mon 20 Nov 2023 19:24:08 No.5837298 Report

Quoted By: >>5837300

Rolled 16 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5837287

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 19:25:35 No.5837300 Report

Quoted By: >>5837397

>>5837296
>>5837298

Thanks anons.

Degrees of success matter here - Nikandros puts on a pretty good show for a man with no formal training in acting or experience in drunkenness.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 19:28:06 No.5837305 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837287
>20

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 19:32:13 No.5837312 Report

Quoted By: >>5837318 >>5837320 >>5837328 >>5837342 >>5837356 >>5837381 >>5837397 >>5837401 >>5837405 >>5837408 >>5837426

Locating the Trojan dockmaster is a simple affair, with Teukros' assistance. He is a harried commoner man of stocky build and thick black beard; entirely bald and the gaunt face of a man who is sometimes too busy to eat. The man is surrounded by a roving band of adjutants, assistants, dockworkers begging for his attention - he hardly remembers that he has already provided a messenger boy to the diplomatic envoy, and seems to think nothing is amiss. He roars out in a surprisingly deep bass, and a second messenger boy appears almost instantly.

He resembles the first one - thin, dark-featured, eager to take the message and be gone. You suspect that energetic, agile young commoner men must seek out this sort of labor voluntarily; must be preferable to heavy, manual labor elsewhere in the city.

You confer briefly with Teukros before dictating your revised message to King Priam. Of course, it occurs to you that these dueling messages will eventually come to light during the council meeting - dramatic alterations will no doubt prompt increased levels of chaos at the cost of increased scrutiny. Smaller alterations in the message may cause lesser amounts of confusion, and decrease the likelihood that you are identified as the source of the forged message.

>This vote will close at 8pm tonight. Short voting window, but I'm hoping to get back on a three-update-per-day schedule. Threads on /qst/ are getting kicked off the board by Day 30-35 more recently and I'm feeling the pressure...

>You completely revise Menelaus' message, striking a much more hostile and aggressive tone. Paris is deemed an impious criminal and violator of ξενία, full remuneration of Menelaus' stolen treasure is demanded, along with a significant penalty in Timae, and the immediate return of Helen without a formal diplomatic council are all featured. An insulting message like this might be considered a call to arms in its own right...

>You make subtle changes to Menelaus' message - not quite so cringing as the true message, but one that emphasizes the strength and dignity of the house of Atreides, of the improper conduct of Paris, and of an expeditious resolution to the issue at hand. A message like this would breed confusion amongst the Trojans - what is Menelaus' true goals here? Is these dissension amongst the Achaeans? Doubts about the strength of Menelaus' control over the diplomatic party would serve your interests, but could spark a hunt for the conspirator.

>You make an extremely minimal change to Menelaus' message - requesting only that the diplomatic party has three additional days to rest at the docks before escort into the city of Ilion. This was the initial message provided by Palamedes, before correction by Odysseus. A change so minor might be attributed to confusion amongst the messenger boys alone - you feel that it would take a significant leap of logic to assume that an Achaen is responsible fo the alteration here.

>Something else I haven't thought of?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zkPKxkbW Mon 20 Nov 2023 19:40:49 No.5837318 Report

Quoted By: >>5837415

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 19:49:57 No.5837320 Report

Quoted By: >>5837415

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 20:06:36 No.5837328 Report

Quoted By: >>5837336 >>5837415

>>5837312
>>You make an extremely minimal change to Menelaus' message - requesting only that the diplomatic party has three additional days to rest at the docks before escort into the city of Ilion. This was the initial message provided by Palamedes, before correction by Odysseus. A change so minor might be attributed to confusion amongst the messenger boys alone - you feel that it would take a significant leap of logic to assume that an Achaen is responsible for the alteration here.
Could we also request Helen be present at the feast? Or can we assume she'll be there regardless?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 20:17:15 No.5837336 Report

Quoted By: >>5837349 >>5837397 >>5837405

>>5837328

>who will be at the council?

Nikandros doesn’t know who will be present amongst the Trojans and it would be improper for me to confirm definites at this point. However, in Hellas, it would be considered highly improper for women to attend a very important council meeting such as this. Nikandros, by virtue of his cultural upbringing, is not expecting any women to be present.

However, I would STRONGLY encourage anons to consider the diplomatic council from Priam’s perspective - what would his goals be and how would he achieve them?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 20 Nov 2023 20:26:30 No.5837342 Report

Quoted By: >>5837415

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 20:30:03 No.5837349 Report

Quoted By: >>5837357

>>5837336
Oh I didn't mean the talks themselves, just the feast specifically before them. Unless the plan is to have the talks during the feast or at least in the same room as the feast without leaving.

As for Priam's goals, I can only imagine he wants Menelaus to not kill his entire family with this whole issue. He's gonna try to butter him up and be very empathetic with the man. Maximum grandfatherly vibes. He'll probably do his best to come off as friendly but stern. He probably won't bring Paris to the talks, and will try to tug Menelaus' heartstrings the entire time.

I can't really think of any way to really disrupt that without being comically obvious. Which would defeat the purpose of trying to sow confusion as discord because they'd know someone was trying to ruin the talks to begin with. Unless we could use that to implicate someone specific, like Odysseus, who already showed he interfered with the message to the first boy. But scheming is not my forte and I can't imagine how we would go about doing that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 20 Nov 2023 20:33:48 No.5837356 Report

Quoted By: >>5837381

>>5837312
>You completely revise Menelaus' message, striking a much more hostile and aggressive tone. Paris is deemed an impious criminal and violator of ξενία, full remuneration of Menelaus' stolen treasure is demanded, along with a significant penalty in Timae, and the immediate return of Helen without a formal diplomatic council are all featured. An insulting message like this might be considered a call to arms in its own right...

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 20:38:56 No.5837357 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837349

>Oh I didn't mean the talks themselves, just the feast specifically before them. Unless the plan is to have the talks during the feast or at least in the same room as the feast without leaving.

Ah, Nikandros doesn’t know yet which Trojan noble who will be hosting the diplomatic party (although he is soon to learn) but this would be a “normal” guest-hosting feast and therefore Trojan women could be present. I’m hand-waving a bit since by the time of Homer, there were apparently strict guidelines about separation of men and women among the Hellenic nobility during formal events, but given that TWQ is happening hundreds of years, I’m making those cultural barriers disappear.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:ORRgtCvx Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:18:52 No.5837381 Report

Quoted By: >>5837383 >>5837384

>>5837312
>>5837356
Yeet. Just caught up. Thanks for continuing the quest.
We just want to cause chaos. I don't think it matters if it gets found out that it was us. We should slight every Trojan and bring up the spear kill and his colors. And the rock throw and that nobles colors. Increase the hostility on all axis. Can we also have our boy T tell everyone we pass of our killing of one of those nobles. And tell how ODESSYUS killed the other one.
Enjoy your stolen timea. Cunt. Start that rumor fire. The offended parties should find ODESSYUS. Easily. That'll fuck ODESSYUS plan at peace more than we ever could. (Hopefully)
>support aggressive change.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:ORRgtCvx Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:21:37 No.5837383 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837381
If we get caught play dumb. Just say we were drunk and someone asked why Greeks were in Troy. Say there must have been an error in translation. Play the dumb big guy role to the T. No sell his ass the whole time.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:21:45 No.5837384 Report

Quoted By: >>5837387 >>5837409

>>5837381

Welcome to the thread!!

Please give me a hot n fresh TWQ meme or some Homeric bars to validate your post, anon. We are sadly outside the registration window for voters and thus the anti-samefag rules are in place…

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:ORRgtCvx Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:24:15 No.5837387 Report

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>>5837384
Uhhhh kk I'm a dumb cunt might take me a sec but. BRB rock memes inc

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:33:43 No.5837397 Report

Quoted By: >>5837415

>>5837281
Okay
:(

>>5837300
Hehehe maybe the Hippodemon family is really good at it.
And killing.

>>5837312
>You make an extremely minimal change to Menelaus' message - requesting only that the diplomatic party has three additional days to rest at the docks before escort into the city of Ilion. This was the initial message provided by Palamedes, before correction by Odysseus. A change so minor might be attributed to confusion amongst the messenger boys alone - you feel that it would take a significant leap of logic to assume that an Achaen is responsible fo the alteration here.
I fear Odysseus will just detect it anyway. But this helps, is small and irrelevant but better than nothing. I sincerely hope deities will start shit, because i cant see us defeating Odysseus alone. We will put effort but this is his hunting ground, his speciality. That or the others greeks seeing the situation has too cringe to accept too.

>>5837336
Priam? Absolute peace and super least amount of harm to his family. Which i am not sure how it can work because if he cant ask his son to get his hands off, the issue cannot be resolved.
Unless Memelaus accepts another woman.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:37:20 No.5837400 Report

Quoted By:

Actually wait a moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:37:55 No.5837401 Report

Quoted By: >>5837415

Berossus

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Berossus ID:wk9Iknvr Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:41:02 No.5837404 Report

Quoted By:

Doing an amazing job here Lesches, really glad to see this continue. I'm the cuneiform-head from a while back.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:43:08 No.5837405 Report

Quoted By: >>5837415

>>5837312
>You make an extremely minimal change to Menelaus' message - requesting only that the diplomatic party has three additional days to rest at the docks before escort into the city of Ilion. This was the initial message provided by Palamedes, before correction by Odysseus. A change so minor might be attributed to confusion amongst the messenger boys alone - you feel that it would take a significant leap of logic to assume that an Achaen is responsible fo the alteration here.

not knowing the dynamics at play on the troyan side this is the most i'm confident in meddling for now.
though i'm curious if namedropping Teukros and inadvertitedly having them bring out a grander welcome for a bastard than for Menelaus could very well spell the end of the peace talks there and then.

>>5837336
i suppose Priam would know of the pact between the Achean kings, if not before then after his son did this blunder.

how strong he sees himself though in respect of this alliance and how much does he trusts it to hold up is uncertain to me.
but he probably doesn't expect an army strong enough to conquer the city to appear on the horizon.

i think his plan would be to smooth things over as to not turn the whole opposite coast hostile,
but his station and courtiers (and masters?) will probably push him against a too generous restitution.

though now that i remember Lesches said that Heracles and the Argonauts did a little raid of their own so he could be wary of greek heroes and try to inquire about the big names currently active as to gauge how to respond, in which case Odysseus downplaying may actually turn against him in emboldening the opposition too much for a pacific solution to be found.

as for his character...
i wouldn't discount him as a feeble minded old man willing to bend over backwards for peace, he's the proud ruler of the richest city on this coast and with a dinasty storied and powerful.
what we see in the Iliad is what remains of this man after 9 years of incessant bloodshed and misery.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:43:57 No.5837406 Report

Quoted By: >>5837412 >>5838175

>>5836811
>>5836845
You and you. Bitches are a good idea, but for use them has weapons against our foes.
Let me explain : Odysseus likes beautiful women, to charm and seduce them. Or just women attention. Memelaus also likes them.
So what if we put the rumor around that the beautiful, strong, fresh, intelligent and rogue like King of Ithaca is fond of beautiful women company.....at the same we will also spread the rumor that the ugly, rotting, smelling, fat, stupid King of Sparta is fond of attacking and taking violently beautiful women.
If we have success, Memelaus will naturally start to hate the place and be jelly of Odysseus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:44:06 No.5837408 Report

Quoted By: >>5837415

Dumb cunt

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Dumb cunt ID:ORRgtCvx Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:44:16 No.5837409 Report

Quoted By: >>5837413

>>5837384
I suck but I was going for the crocodile dundee vibe

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:45:01 No.5837412 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837406
In addition that worm of Memelaus deserve such rumor anyway.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:45:55 No.5837413 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837409

Kek, accepted. Your vote is valid, flowing-haired anon

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:ORRgtCvx Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:53:40 No.5837415 Report

Quoted By: >>5837420 >>5837423

>>5837408
>>5837405
>>5837401
>>5837397
>>5837342
>>5837328
>>5837320
>>5837318
I like how you think we could trick ODESSYUS. Smh. We've literally lost every battle of wits.

We'd get more out of just pushing rumors that ODESSYUS has sex with anything that moves and lack of beauty doesn't stop him from going full mast for a warm hole.

Watch the goddess lose her shit. My beauty is insignificant?

Maximum chaos.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:ORRgtCvx Mon 20 Nov 2023 21:57:37 No.5837420 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837415
Also implying ODESSYUS can get anyone to swoon for him. And memelaus has to brutalize a woman to get her under him. Will help fracture their alliance like other anon suggested. We could help by telling the story as proudly and brutally as possible. Also ODESSYUS told the king it was him. Let him enjoy that timae.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 22:01:28 No.5837423 Report

Quoted By: >>5837455

>>5837415
So let me get this straight, you want us to not be subtle because Odysseus will find out it was us, so instead you want to directly insult him AND Menelaus as overtly as possible so that Menelaus will hate our guts as well as Odysseus when Odysseus very deftly sidesteps the insults and implicates us or Teukros as the ones who said it.

Slow down there bud.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 22:04:37 No.5837426 Report

Quoted By:

Berossus

Berossus ID:wk9Iknvr Mon 20 Nov 2023 22:10:34 No.5837433 Report

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Honestly I think our best bet is the simplest option, appealing to pride and honour - when they offer Menelaus something in exchange for dishonouring himself, we react with the appropriate scorn and disdain. Some Thessalian pauper expressing disdain for The King of Sparta is reasonably likely to get him properly pissy at the insult - if even we consider a deal so dishonourable as to be worth indirectly insulting him, how can he ever face his equals?

We aren't important enough to disrupt the whole thing any other way without getting ourselves in a lot of shit, and we risk getting slapped with the divine hand of Zeus if we fuck around too much or are seen to Directly Initiate Violence. Sowing a bit of confusion is worthwhile - let things get off on the wrong foot as much as possible without getting ourselves Odysseused. Ideally we get Menelaus in the room feeling ill at ease and with his hackles raised.

Nikandros is here for fame, honour and glory - we'd do well to rely on that simple goal rather than trying to get into intrigue shit we aren't built for. The only influence we can possibly have is as a representative of Hellenic opinion uburdened by personal allegiance - through us, Menelaus and the rest can see what the mass of their lessers will think of their actions. All we have to do is be honest, undiplomatic and over-concerned with honour - exactly what any of our peers would do. In doing so we run the least risk of dishonouring ourselves or getting in the deep shit. At worst we offend Menelaus until he pulls his head out of his ass.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:ORRgtCvx Mon 20 Nov 2023 22:32:18 No.5837455 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837423
You misunderstood the memelaus part. We just tell the brutal truth but substitute ourselves for ODESSYUS. Since that's what he told the king. It's just a king taking what is rightfully his? Why are you mad bro?(towards the offended party not you who is replying to me)

Same with the bragging about killing those nobles. It's just to make it so that Troy is furious going into the first meeting. And gives us super shitty terms which will piss memelaus off. Since he's already conceding stuff.

What do you mean I can't brag about glorious combat? The gods love a good scrap and to see who has divine providence behind them. Obviously the gods are on our side since we won. So handily. Watch them seethe.
I'd even ask Palamedes to help spread the "tales" of our party's glory.
Maximum Chaos.

We play the braggadocious rural rube. This is our first gathering of Timae and we're young. Who wouldn't spread the fact that you're in the party of bamfs? Doing Chad things.

The distasteful stuff about ODESSYUS and memelaus should be told to some prostitutes. Or serving boys. Our boy T can fake being a Trojan resident (the darkie) and be like YO DID YOU HEAR WHAT THOSE GREEK KEKS DID? insert smears and terrible rumors.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 23:33:33 No.5837505 Report

Quoted By: >>5837508 >>5837552 >>5837573

90 min warning until vote is closed.

Great discussion all around.

I’ll say this because Nikandros has an INT of 17 and is therefore smarter than everyone in this thread (including me): I’ve dreamed up at least TWO major council stratagems that players have not yet discussed…

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 23:37:13 No.5837508 Report

Quoted By: >>5837516 >>5837518

>>5837505
The woes of playing high int when brain is potato.

>I’ve dreamed up at least TWO major council stratagems that players have not yet discussed…
Is one of them being so obnoxiously drunk that we projectile vomit all over everyone?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 20 Nov 2023 23:43:25 No.5837516 Report

Quoted By: >>5837522 >>5837524 >>5837552

>>5837508

Kek.

As an FYI, Nikandros can certainly be ejected from the council meeting if he is rowdy and/or dumb enough, and could be barred from re-entry. This would obviously come with huge Kleos penalties and could even trigger an Ajax-style suicide.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 23:44:58 No.5837518 Report

Quoted By: >>5837524

>>5837508
It would take a truly huge amount of alcohol considering Nikon's size and divine flesh. I remember Homer saying that Nikon could even outdrink Achilles.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 23:47:28 No.5837522 Report

Quoted By: >>5837533

>>5837516
>Ajax-style suicide
Now that I consider it, didn't Odysseus cause Ajax to die?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 23:48:52 No.5837524 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837516
>nikon's kleos too low, might kill himself for being put in time out
oof

>>5837518
Dionysus would be proud of the sheer girth of Nikon's chugging cup.

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Berossus ID:wk9Iknvr Mon 20 Nov 2023 23:52:41 No.5837528 Report

Quoted By: >>5837533

Nikandros: "Menelaus you spineless cuc-"
Menelaus:

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 20 Nov 2023 23:55:01 No.5837533 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837522
Because he wanted Achilles' stuff, yeah.

>>5837528
All he needs is a helmet. Maybe a big bushy beard?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Tue 21 Nov 2023 00:17:58 No.5837552 Report

Quoted By: >>5837559 >>5837606

>>5837505
>TWO major council stratagems that players have not yet discussed…
Eh chances are that they will remain dreams, dont expect anything buddy. Best i could think is something bland in my mind. Maybe paying someone to send rats in the council room......

>>5837516
Yep. We risk to die even here i know, makes me afraid to walk around with Nikandros. The risk of him being socially called yet again a retarded tall provincial half-barbaroi "noble" is real, even more here in Troy by almost anyone (not the super poor people at least, commoners eh.. might do it even if they fear him. Nikandros wouldn't understand a word and he doesn't have sailors or soldiers with him).
Fucking kleos i hate it, impossible to have with so many high and mighty retards.
Thats why I am half tempted to do nothing or small stuff, since you know is kind of very risky and very difficult.
Like seriously. Elektra is fucking insane for giving Nikandros this task when against someone like Odysseus plus all the troyans that want peace.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 00:25:04 No.5837559 Report

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>>5837552
A princess and young girl beside is asking for a lot, go figure kek. To be fair to her, she is sheltered despite her great wit and ability. As much as she knows about the world she has not seen it for herself so she's a bit separated.

Compare her to Nira, who is more worldly and independent and you'll see that most of Electra's problems come from the fact she really wants to do things, but just can't because of her lot in life.

There's also the fact that Electra doesn't really give a fuck about Nikon outside of how he might give her something she wants. She is still her father's daughter after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Tue 21 Nov 2023 00:41:07 No.5837573 Report

Quoted By: >>5837574 >>5837581

>>5837505
i guess we could ask for divine council and let the gods fuck it up as it naturally occurs when they do anything at all.

anyway we're still waiting to get a clearer picture, the real fun begins once the pieces are set on the gameboard.

(!!! we could choose to resolve the thing with a tournament of petteia!!!)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 00:43:50 No.5837574 Report

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>>5837573
Aphrodite would make our side go full brainlet to protect her boy Paris. But do they play petteia over here or some lesser, foreign bullshit stone game?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 00:49:20 No.5837581 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837573
>tournament of petteia
It would be interesting alongside Nikon defeating Achilles if he defeated Hector in a Petteia match. I can't help but wonder if it might be possible to set up a tournament and lure Odysseus into playing and get him arrogant enough that in the final match (he'll make it to the top, it's Odysseus) he makes a blasphemous/offensive oath.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 01:20:10 No.5837606 Report

Quoted By: >>5837613 >>5837645

>>5837552

I’m not counting you guys out, you guys have already inadvertently touched on each of the 2 things I’m thinking about in this voting window.

Just gotta put all the pieces together.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 01:25:52 No.5837613 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837606
If only we anons were able to put together cohesive thoughts we might figure it out kek. Then again, our wildcard antics seems to work out pretty well for us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CLef/fR3 Tue 21 Nov 2023 02:18:00 No.5837645 Report

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>>5837606
I see.
The answer is that we must throw a rock at Paris

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 02:21:29 No.5837650 Report

Quoted By: >>5837664

Whew, this update has become bigger than I expected - bear with me anons.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 02:37:13 No.5837661 Report

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The messenger boy streaks off, once Teukros is satisfied that he has memorized your message. In the chaos of the dockyard, with streams of goods, carts, men and animals jostling one another along the stone walkways, you lose sight of him nearly immediately.

It’s easy for you to part the crowds, given your bulk – even wearing your cloak and chiton, you are given a wide berth, due to your physique. You return to the galleys, Teukros in tow, and proceed to your bunk within the Salaminian vessel. As far as you know, your absence was not noticed by the other party members – none were above deck when you returned, but that’s hardly reassuring. Your intestines writhe as you consider the possibility that your scheming could be discovered by Odysseus - you are learning that you greatly prefer contests on the battlefield, opposed to this sort of subtle action. At least during a duel, you know when you are winning and when you are losing. You try to calm yourself in the very cramped space of your bunk, succeeding only when you begin playing petteia against yourself within your mind.

—

You startle awake in the gloom of the hold - Teukros is sending over you, tugging at your elbow and whispering fiercely:

“Nikandros, wake up! A Trojan is on the main deck of the Spartan vessel!”

You leap out of your bunk, your drowsiness shattered into pieces, and sprint up to the main deck of the Salaminian vessel. Once above-deck, you make a show of bleariness for the crew, yawning and stumbling to the bow deck of the Salaminian vessel - the galleys are docked front to back, and so from your position, you can listen to Menelaus, Odysseus, Palamedes and the Trojan standing upon the stern deck of the Spartan ship. Teukros joins you, of course – beyond his own personal curiosity, you need his Luwian. Unfortunately, you cannot see the meeting from your angle on the bow deck. Above you, the sky is darkening – beaming Helios has nearly slipped below the waters of the west, and you see glimmering stars beginning to emerge through Nyx's raiment. As you eavesdrop, you conclude that you’ve already missed introductions, as you listen to Menelaus speaking:

“- may be the case, Helicaon Antenorides, but I am quite sure our message had been garbled by the messengers.” Palamedes, serving as interpreter, quickly translates Menelaus’ words, and Odysseus interjects before the Trojan Helicaon can respond, his melodious voice a soothing balm:

"“If there is any fault, let us blame our rough Hellenic accents and the poor pronunciation of our interpreter. We ask your forgiveness for any confusion in your οἶκος or in the court of King Priam. Please – I ask for the opportunity to apologize to your father personally.” Of course, Odysseus takes the opportunity to chip away at Palamedes’ reputation, even as he burnishes his own - the man cannot help himself.

>cont

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 02:41:01 No.5837664 Report

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>>5837650
>bear with me anons.
Is it brown or black? Gods help you if it's white.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 02:44:49 No.5837668 Report

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A young man’s voice responds in Luwian, suppressed annoyance in his voice –

“Eerst vraag je om snelheid, daarna om drie dagen. Nu vraag je nogmaals om snelheid. Wat moet ik geloven? Is dit hoe zaken worden gedaan in Sparta?”

There is a pregnant pause, and then the Trojan - Helicaon, you presume - continues with a sigh:

“Er is 's avonds tijd genoeg om terug te keren naar het paleis van mijn vader, en hem te laten weten dat uw gezelschap vanavond arriveert, en dan terug te keren om u te begeleiden met mijn broers.”

Palamedes coughs faintly, and then translates -

“Lord Antenor will be pleased to host our party tonight. Helicaon will return as soon as he is able with his brothers to escort us to his father’s palace.”

The meeting on the Spartan stern deck is adjourned, and you do your best to slip below deck with Teukros before you are noticed. Teurkos is quick to provide context – Helicaon made complaints that were omitted when Palamedes translated for Menelaus and Odysseus’ benefit. The unexpected development causes your heart to hammers in your chest - but did you really expect your deception to last three full days? When the second messenger arrived, of course, a Trojan noble would be sent to King Menelaus to clarify. King Priam would not want Menelaus linger aimlessly in the docks for days any more than Menelaus would. This first dabbling in court politics has revealed your own inexperience - but thankfully, you exercised restraint in your tampering and no angry kings are yet flaying your reputation, as you once suffered at the hands of Peleus.

Your anxieties aside... you have successfully placed a tiny spark of flame in the kindling – and now, you must fan it into an inferno - without burning yourself in the process.

>Nikandros’ actions have resulted in one point of Council Chaos! Each point of Council Chaos will apply a one-point malus to messages of comity during the council, and provide a one-point bonus to messages intended to inflame agita between the Trojans and Achaeans. Generally speaking, as Council Chaos increases, discussions between the two factions will become increasingly strained and unlikely to be successful.

>COUNCIL CHAOS METER: [1/??]

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 03:00:43 No.5837681 Report

Quoted By: >>5837749

When the Trojans arrive just after nightfall, you have already taken the opportunity to bathe in the sea, oil your hair and beard as best as you can, and wear your best cloak and chiton – unfortunately, you have only three sets, and all mark you as a man of humble means.

Menelaus and Odysseus are dressed as kings, and even Teukros produces robes of very fine quality – out of the party, you clearly stand apart. You try not to feel embarrassment at your rural origins or impoverished status as you are introduced to the Trojan nobility upon the pier – three sons of a city elder named Antenor. Surprisingly - there is no honor guard of spearmen, and even the sons appear to be unarmed. The eldest of the three is Coön – a graying and beardless man of fifty, of average height and with solid shoulders, piercing green eyes and a polite demeanor. The second, Helicaon, is decidedly shorter and younger – a dark-eyed man of thirty or so, with a prominent nose and a sour look on his face - perhaps irritated to travel twice to the docks in one evening, you guess. The last is youngest of the bunch, a slender, handsome man who must be a year or two younger than yourself – his name is Polybus, and his grin strikes you as both earnest and naïve. During another round of introductions, the three Trojan brothers grasp your arm in turn with no condescension, but it is clear from their glances that they notice your plain garb. You curse the oversight – you could have purchased better robes in Samia. As for Teukros - he introduces himself as a "son of Telamon", but the brothers Antenoridae must perceive the difference in build and ancestry between Ajax and Teukros.

The sons of Antenor clarify that guests are not permitted arms and armor within the High City - small blades, like the Lebinthian knife in your belt, are not prohibited. Menelaus assures the Trojans that your party intends to adhere to these rules, and once all are agreed - you set off by torchlight.

You listen to the polite discourse between Menelaus and the Antenoridae as your group marches quickly - the sea air is rapidly becoming brisk. Despite your presence in the rear of the group, you learn many valuable details as you listen – that Antenor has been advisor to Priam since his ascension to the throne of Ilion; Priam's father Laomedon was unceremoniously murdered after a dispute after Herakles sacked the city nearly fifty years ago. Additionally, there is some tenuous familial connection between Antenor and Priam – distant cousins through the line of old King Ilos. Antenor’s wife, Theano, is sister to Queen Hecuba, the wife of Priam; Theano is a priestess to one of the Olympians just as King Priam is a priest of Zeus. The Antenoridae speak knowingly of Priam’s fifty sons – clearly, there are very warm relations between the two houses. Odysseus’ prediction to you was accurate, of course – you are being housed in the palace of the second-most important man in Ilion!

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 04:00:52 No.5837729 Report

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Even in the darkness, the white walls of Ilion astound you - you have never felt dwarfed as you do when passing through the legendary Scaean Gate. The name is a misnomer – it is more like a tunnel, as you take many strides passing underneath the divinely-joined stone before exiting into a plaza. The idea that men could destroy the walls is laughable – you discard any delusions that the walls themselves could be assailed or damaged by a force of men. A blasphemous thought occurs to you:

Can the gods build a wall that they themselves cannot tear down?

You abandon the philosophical conundrum as soon as you consider it - you can hardly contain your excitement. The inevitable victory of the Achaeans against the defenders of Ilion will be immortalized forever in song and legend. You lose yourself in your fantasies of glory, and only come to your senses as you pass through another immense gate leading to the High City – the High Walls are more modest in construction, but even so, they would still be one of the world’s greatest fortifications if the Lower Walls were absent.

It is difficult to gain a measure of the size of Antenor’s palace in the deepening darkness – suffice it to say that it rivals the size of King Peleus’ palace in Phthia, and you suspect it may be larger even than High King Agamemnon’s palace in Mycenae. The brothers Antenoridae quickly shepherd your party through the palace gates, through a main hall that feels a stadia in length, and finally, to an open courtyard.

Here, a feast has been feverishly prepared by hordes of servants – your mouth waters as you see the huge range of roast meats, endless platters of grain, vegetables, silver and golden bowls of well-mixed wine, honeyed breads, and even more foodstuffs that you cannot readily identify. There is not one feast table, but three – each of them lacquered and wellwrought; many strides in length. Hundreds could easily dine here, in the courtyard of Antenor – and looking at the sheer amount of food and wine on display, you suspect they will!

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 04:07:22 No.5837735 Report

Quoted By: >>5837749

Antenor himself stands beside the central table – he is kinglike in his own right, wearing deep purple robes of exquisite fabrication, embroidered with golden designs. He is a silver-haired man of seventy or perhaps even eighty years – he nonetheless projects health and strength through his movements. His welcome to Menelaus is gracious, pleasant and he emits an aura of grandfatherly wisdom – he hews to the dictates of Zeus and does not ask your party a single question about your identities; he instead assigns each of you a personal servant to attend to your needs during the feast. Most of these appear to be Hellenic by appearance (and as you later confirm, bilingual in both Luwian and Hellenika).

Antenor is flanked by his wife, Theano - a beautiful women and graceful women of the same advanced age, and surrounded by their many sons and their wives – at least one younger woman is present who you suspect is Antenor's daughter, based on their resemblance. At the very end of one feast table, you notice an older man sitting apart, in relative isolation – the resemblance to Antenor is clear, and yet he does not sit closely with his father. You wonder at his connection to Antenor – but not for long. He must be a bastard of Antenor, and perhaps unliked by Theano and Antenor’s trueborn sons as a result. Finally, you see a group of nobility that do not share resemblance to Antenor – at first glance, you guess that they are priests or seers, given the cut of their robes and their general demeanor.

With a clap of his hands, he opens the feast, and your diplomatic party is offered seating amongst his family. Teukros, by your side, whispers in your ear:

“I’ll be sticking with you tonight, Nikandros – you’ll need someone to speak on your behalf, wearing that cloth sack as you are.” You attempt a scowl but instead smile against your will – Teukros grins even more widely, sensing weakness, and says, ‘You speak of eternal glory, Nikandros, but dress like an unwashed peasant. The man who teaches you to dress appropriately will be renowned through the ages, a Sisyphus who persevered and conquered…” You shush him as you consider your options.

Once again, you are faced with several choices regarding conversational partners – you weight the benefits and risks of each:

>vote post coming, good lord.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 04:08:23 No.5837737 Report

Quoted By: >>5837747 >>5837748 >>5837749 >>5837771 >>5837827 >>5837828 >>5837830 >>5837838 >>5837896 >>5837935 >>5837988 >>5837999 >>5838041 >>5838099

>What do, /qst/? Teukros will be joining you, no matter your selection. This vote will close at 8am tomorrow.

>The Kings Menelaus and Odysseus have quickly seated themselves adjacent to Antenor, and they are joined by Prince Ajax. You would be out of place at this seating, although none would castigate you for it. If you wish to overhear the discussion between the most important men in the room, this is the means to do it.

>Sit instead with the Antenoridae, who guided you into the city - Coön, Helicaon, and Polybus. Other sons of Antenor, as well as their wives, sit with them. These men may be willing to share what they know of local happenings within the court of Priam. The Dioscuri have made their way to this region of the feast halls – Pollux already trying to determine the pugilist among them.

>Sit amongst the priests or seers, along with Palamedes – you’re curious to learn what information Palamedes is seeking from these pious men. If nothing else, you imagine that they would know of the practices and beliefs of the Royal Family.

>Join the bastard of Antenor, sitting in relative isolation. Of all present, the advantages of this are least clear – but bastards can surprise, as Teukros has well-demonstrated.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 04:14:23 No.5837747 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Tue 21 Nov 2023 04:15:04 No.5837748 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

>>5837737
>Sit alongside Castor who is attempting to impress the servant girls and widows(and perhaps show-up the servant men and widowers)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 04:17:01 No.5837749 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

>>5837681
>wear your best cloak and chiton – unfortunately, you have only three sets, and all mark you as a man of humble means.
I wonder if anyone will see Nikon's (comparative) rags juxtaposed with his truly exquisite and unique knife and come to the conclusion that he is a man of extreme humbleness or trying to make a subtle but very clear statement that he is a killer first and noble second. Either of those is quite funny to imagine.

>>5837735
>The man who teaches you to dress appropriately will be renowned through the ages, a Sisyphus who persevered and conquered…
Teukie bro we are gonna mog the shit out of you next time literally anything physical needs to get done. Bet. Better hope the next jar of wine doesn't have an overly-tight stopper, little man.

>>5837737
I am torn between joining Palamedes and meeting with the bastard. Then again, the gossip amongst nobles can be a valuable thing. And it's funny to see Pollux beat the shit out of people. But I will flip a coin to see where my vote will lie because I can't decide. Tyche guides me.

>Join the bastard of Antenor, sitting in relative isolation. Of all present, the advantages of this are least clear – but bastards can surprise, as Teukros has well-demonstrated.
Let us hope the fortune is good, not ill.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:enbWdk1l Tue 21 Nov 2023 04:35:19 No.5837771 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

>>5835348
I am him.
>>5837737
>Sit instead with the Antenoridae, who guided you into the city - Coön, Helicaon, and Polybus. Other sons of Antenor, as well as their wives, sit with them. These men may be willing to share what they know of local happenings within the court of Priam. The Dioscuri have made their way to this region of the feast halls – Pollux already trying to determine the pugilist among them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Tue 21 Nov 2023 05:31:05 No.5837827 Report

Quoted By: >>5837831 >>5838108

>>5837737
>Sit amongst the priests or seers, along with Palamedes – you’re curious to learn what information Palamedes is seeking from these pious men. If nothing else, you imagine that they would know of the practices and beliefs of the Royal Family.

Might give us clues as to the identity of our divine grandpa

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Anonymous ID:LV7/HBiO Tue 21 Nov 2023 05:31:25 No.5837828 Report

Quoted By: >>5837831 >>5838108

>>5837737
>>Sit amongst the priests or seers, along with Palamedes – you’re curious to learn what information Palamedes is seeking from these pious men. If nothing else, you imagine that they would know of the practices and beliefs of the Royal Family

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Tue 21 Nov 2023 05:33:07 No.5837830 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

>>5837737
>>Join the bastard of Antenor, sitting in relative isolation. Of all present, the advantages of this are least clear – but bastards can surprise, as Teukros has well-demonstrated.
>mystery box
>probably hits compassionate trait
>possible synergy with big t
Let's face it, this probably wins if no one metagames provides some very compelling arguments to the contrary

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 05:33:33 No.5837831 Report

Quoted By:

>>5837827
I will never understand how every time a priest(ess) comes up people go "Maybe they know grandpa" but I do respect the dedication.

>>5837828
Fuck my sides

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 21 Nov 2023 05:40:05 No.5837838 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

>>5837737
>Join the bastard of Antenor, sitting in relative isolation. Of all present, the advantages of this are least clear – but bastards can surprise, as Teukros has well-demonstrated.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LV7/HBiO Tue 21 Nov 2023 05:50:56 No.5837851 Report

Quoted By: >>5837871 >>5838108

I also made this if we go with the "I am far from home" melancolic theme of the last thread

>Tell Me, Ye Winds
Tell Me, ye Four winds, where you have been, wherever you've dinned
>In yon naked groves, on bens and in coves icy flows beneath raging floes
Might you have seen wherever you've been deep-reaching scars carved into crags
>On crests clad in winters reflected in waters, untrodden trails to faraway gales

>As you fly fast like thought, round the earth taut
Passing high seas, wastelands and leas
>Find her, gleaming gold, my yearning of home, if nests in my soul, I won't find my pall
Tell me, ye four winds, where you have been, wherever you've dinned
>In yon naked groves, on bens and in coves icy flows beneath raging floes

>Relentlessly stride, seek far and wide, by night and by day, here and away
In the sun and the moon, in the bad and the good, never repose, nor ever pause
>Tell me, ye four winds, where you have been, wherever you've dinned
If you find gold that wilts, my yearning of home, it'll nest in my soul, I won't find my pall

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 06:24:30 No.5837871 Report

Quoted By: >>5838131

>>5837851
This is a very cultured quest with very cultured players. Rad.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:ORRgtCvx Tue 21 Nov 2023 06:47:27 No.5837896 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

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Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Tue 21 Nov 2023 07:25:44 No.5837935 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

>>5837737
>>Join the bastard of Antenor, sitting in relative isolation. Of all present, the advantages of this are least clear – but bastards can surprise, as Teukros has well-demonstrated
Might be decent, might be the opposite of that. Never think all bastards are treated the same.
If its bad we can go to Pollux or Palamedes.
This said eh, people will not like us that much if we join the others especially the first. We are a poor fuck provincial, so we would need to count on support of others to defend our kleos. And we could be one kleos shotted by simply saying a wrong word with Antenor, and Memelaus and Odysseus don't give a fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 08:31:49 No.5837988 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108 >>5838132

>>5837737
>Sit instead with the Antenoridae, who guided you into the city - Coön, Helicaon, and Polybus. Other sons of Antenor, as well as their wives, sit with them. These men may be willing to share what they know of local happenings within the court of Priam. The Dioscuri have made their way to this region of the feast halls – Pollux already trying to determine the pugilist among them.

I still think Pollux is the man to stick to if we want to make the chaos meter go up

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Tue 21 Nov 2023 08:58:37 No.5837999 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

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Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Tue 21 Nov 2023 10:45:52 No.5838041 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

>>5837737
>Sit instead with the Antenoridae, who guided you into the city - Coön, Helicaon, and Polybus. Other sons of Antenor, as well as their wives, sit with them. These men may be willing to share what they know of local happenings within the court of Priam. The Dioscuri have made their way to this region of the feast halls – Pollux already trying to determine the pugilist among them.

Havent done anything with good old Pollux in a bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 11:19:46 No.5838063 Report

Quoted By: >>5838131

How do we broach the prophecy of the twin dogs we got on Delos? Do we not tell Pollux, since he will probably act specifically to spite it thanks to his own philosophy of self-determination? Or do we tell him and hope he sees Nikon's concern as a reason to humor us? Obviously we should tell Castor, since he does take stock in prophecy. Telling him that two sets of similar pedigree will tear each other apart. Advising him that they should not seek to quarrel with twins that are their erstwhile equals?

Obviously I don't think we should float it with either of them right now, just some time before they part ways with us. They're probably going to sail back with us, right? Maybe we should try to make proper friends of them so they heed us more.

And yes I know a central theme of Greek prophecy is that trying to avoid it often makes it come true, but many times that comes down to vagaries in the telling or rash action in seeking to subvert it. A lot of the time if it was clearer, or the people listening would just slow the fuck down they could have acted better. I know they are doomed, but I like em. They're cool so I don't want them to bite it in some field under a random fucking tree.

Also damn I hate how I always have to miss the morning votes kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Tue 21 Nov 2023 12:16:58 No.5838099 Report

Quoted By: >>5838108

>>5837737
>Join the bastard of Antenor, sitting in relative isolation. Of all present, the advantages of this are least clear – but bastards can surprise, as Teukros has well-demonstrated.

he may take offense of us like an uncool tryhard kid being put in the loser's group. or reveal himself a bro.

i'm curious about Palamedes reasons but i want to let him cook, also Odysseus won't have a reason to grill us about it.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 12:36:57 No.5838108 Report

Quoted By: >>5838131 >>5838132

~30 min warning and tally so far:

Bastards of the world, unite!
>>5837747
>>5837749
>>5837830
>>5837838
>>5837896
>>5837935
>>5838099

Harass the waitstaff (lol)
>>5837748

A manly discussion for manly men
>>5837771
>>5837988 (but one-post ID - give me a backlink, an original TWQ meme, or some Homeric poetry, anon)
>>5837999
>>5838041

Palamedes and Priests
>>5837827
>>5837828

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>>5837851

More extremely based poetry - I love to have this stuff in reserve for an appropriate moment. Nikon is certainly becoming a bit more worldly between his experience in the Lesser Delia and now this interest in sculpting...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:LV7/HBiO Tue 21 Nov 2023 13:08:55 No.5838131 Report

Quoted By: >>5838193 >>5838342

>>5838108
>>5837871
Thenks, this is the best quest I ever played and I just want to give my best too

>>5838063
>How do we broach the prophecy of the twin dogs we got on Delos?

Like we plan the last thread

>Hahahaha! Oh Pollux, remember the face of Menelaus when he tried to sing and no-one cheer him? Hahaha!
>Hahaha! He was so mad! And Odysseus rage when he acted all cocky just to fail to aim his bow? Hahahaha!
>Hahahahaha! And the next day when Apollo say that you and Castor will be killed by anothers twins? Hahahaha!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 13:09:24 No.5838132 Report

Quoted By: >>5838193

>>5838108
Looks like my ID changed
>>5837988
I'm this guy
>>5836957

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Tue 21 Nov 2023 14:11:43 No.5838175 Report

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>>5837406
Starting rumours might be a good ploy - if only because if said rumors get enough weight behind them Paris could hear about it. If he gets nervous enough that some alleged fuckboy might try to steal Helen from him, he could end up causing more Chaos for us.

Berossus

Berossus ID:wk9Iknvr Tue 21 Nov 2023 14:28:06 No.5838185 Report

Quoted By: >>5838193

One skill we do have is being able to outdrink pretty much anyone in the city - good way to get some councillors good and drunk/hungover so they can make a nuisance of themselves.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 14:38:16 No.5838193 Report

Quoted By: >>5838393

>>5838185

Are you guys going to make me design boozing tolerance mechanic? Kek. It’s an original idea and certainly Nikon can expect to find Dionysian cults within the city of Ilion’s size. IC, Nikon can reasonably infer that as a giant, he can drink a lot of wine, but he may not realize his true potential here…

>>5838132

Your vote is now validated, thank you anon.

>>5838131

Thanks for your kind words - all praise should be directed to Homer for creating something so based.

—-

Update should be out for 2pm or so today, looks like you guys are joining the misfits club at dinner. Sort of a high-risk, high-reward strategy.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:20:25 No.5838312 Report

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You nod towards the isolated man, surprising Teukros.

“Why him? He hardly looks entertaining to speak with.”

“Ah, but Teukros - we are not here to be entertained. I think he must be a bastard of Antenor – look at the cast of his nose and the shape of his shoulders. Here is a disaffected man in the palace of King Priam’s most trusted councilor - what information does he have to share with us? Many may have valuable information about the state of Priam’s court, but who is most likely to share these details with guests? Perhaps it is the unhappy man who curses his position.”

Teukros searches your face, his mouth twisted sourly, before muttering - “I hadn’t taken you for a schemer, Nikandros - but you may have a point about the disaffection of bastards.”

The isolated man seems to hardly notice you taking your seat across from him, already nursing a kylix of wine - a half-empty serving bowl sits before him. He is an unbearded man of twenty-five, with a rudely-shorn head and round cheeks - a bizarre and uneven hairstyle; some parts of his scalp retain hair. His eyes are hooded and shadowed, and yellow bruising mottles his cheeks, clearly visible in the torchlight. He makes no attempt to meet your eyes or the eyes of Teukros. Finally, you note that the man’s left arm is bound and braced, partially obscured by his cloak - this does not seem to impede the man’s consumption of wine. In fact, as you examine him – you sense that he is overtly avoiding your eye, sullenly pretending that you simply do not exist. You exchange skeptical glances with Teukros, before shrugging – a nut to crack later tonight.

You begin to feast - and the substance is spectacular, and the wine is simply extraordinary, despite its foreign origin. You had previously believed that wine of Delian extract to be the best of the Aegean, and by definition, that Hellenic wine is superior to foreign alternatives, just as Hellenic men are superior to the endless barbaroi hordes. You are forced to do the unconscionable and admit to yourself that Antenor’s vintage is superior to any Hellenic wine you’ve tasted - not that you would utter such a shameful thing aloud. As for the food - you favor huge quantities of roasted meats of all kinds, and Teukros reveals himself to have a preference for honeyed breads, fruits, and smoked fish.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:36:40 No.5838322 Report

Quoted By: >>5838333 >>5838336 >>5838342

Rolled 10, 17, 15, 11, 20, 17 = 90 (6d20)

The dictates of ξενία are followed rigorously here – there is essentially no conversation beyond the whispered words between the guests and their personal attendants, as platters of food and serving bowls of wine are whisked between the feast tables. There is little change in the forlorn man’s affect over the course of the dinner - he seems to eat almost nothing, instead slowly draining the remainder of serving bowl of wine. ξενία demands that a guest’s needs are addressed before your own, and that meaningful discourse wait until the feast is concluded, but the bastard’s indifference is something else entirely - apathy, wine or both burdens this man such that he cannot even pretend interest. He occasionally glances at the table of the Antenoridae, and then to Lord Antenor and his wife Theano, with an unreadable look in his eyes, but otherwise makes no other action.

You confer with Teukros in a whisper – asking him to join you in resolving the mystery of the bastard’s appearance and demeanor.

“I’m no seer, Nikandros – but I will attempt it, yes.”

>Okay, /qst/ - this will be a difficult INT check for both Nikandros and Teukros. You’re rolling against the bastard’s CHA at a significant context penalty. The bastard gets TWO extra dice (one for being a stranger, two for being sullenly drunk). I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+7 for Nikandros’ ability to discern the bastard’s situation. Additionally, a smart write-in correctly guessing some part of the situation may result in a partial or full auto-success.

>I’m rolling two dice first for Teukros (he gets a +2 for his INT, and another +2 to his rolls for being a fellow bastard), and then finally four dice for the bastard with his natural CHA bonus (+5).

>cont, vote post coming

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:43:04 No.5838330 Report

Quoted By: >>5838408 >>5838518 >>5838534

As you begin your analytical assessment of the man, it occurs to you that the hour is growing late - the feast will soon be concluded and the proper conversation will begin. Introductions will be loudly announced for all to hear, and therefore you have a chance to make an impression upon the Trojan nobility present. Likewise, Teukros will need to introduce himself as well.

>/qst/, how should Nikandros introduce himself? This vote will close at 8pm EST.

>Proudly reveal yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly, son of Hippomedon, and of the line of Adrastus of Argos, and also the man who revealed Achilles on Skyros through your magnificent petteia play, foiling the deceptions of the goddess Thetis, chief of the Nereids. Explain that despite your youth, you are known for your strategic acumen, your mighty frame, your fearsome intellect. In short, announce yourself loudly and self-promote your abilities.

>Take a moderate stance, revealing yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly, and that you had been graciously invited upon this diplomatic voyage by King Menelaus. Briefly explain that in Hellas, you are somewhat known for locating a missing prince, and take the moment to thank Lord Antenor as graciously as you can for his hosting. Essentially, avoid unnecessarily vaunting, but do not shy away from your achievements either.

>Take a humble stance, revealing yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly, lord of a minor estate within the rural foothills of Mount Olympus. Keep your speech short - do not mention your achievements or how you came to be in Menelaus' company. An aura of mystery may serve you better in the short term.

>Something else for Nikandros' introduction?

As for Teukros, you could encourage him to alter the way that he introduces himself:

>Encourage Teukros to proudly announce his full lineage - that he is a bastard of King Telamon, brother to Prince Ajax, but also the son of Hesione, and therefore nephew to King Priam himself. By definition, he would also be announcing himself as a distant relative of the Antenoridae, although this is much less important. This will immediately raise attention and scrutiny on Teukros for the remainder of his time in Ilion. Teukros is not comfortable with such formal addresses, nor with interacting with high nobility - he may need a true pep-talk from yourself in order not to fumble this sort of address.

>Encourage Teukros to announce himself only as a bastard son of King Telamon of Salamis and brother to Prince Ajax. The information regarding his true heritage is best revealed another time; Teukros would likely also prefer to avoid the attentions of hundreds of people at this feast as well...

>Something else for Teukros' introduction?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:45:43 No.5838333 Report

Quoted By: >>5838346

Rolled 8 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>5838322
>25
Lesches, pls

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:48:49 No.5838336 Report

Quoted By: >>5838346 >>5838736

Rolled 13 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>5838322
He wants to have sex with Theano. He was beaten when found out, but because he is his father's son, was not killed.

>Something else for Nikandros' introduction?
I am a Champion of Nike.

>Encourage Teukros to announce himself only as a bastard son of King Telamon of Salamis and brother to Prince Ajax. The information regarding his true heritage is best revealed another time; Teukros would likely also prefer to avoid the attentions of hundreds of people at this feast as well...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 18:06:56 No.5838342 Report

Quoted By: >>5838408 >>5838736

Rolled 13 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>5838131
>>Hahahahaha! And the next day when Apollo say that you and Castor will be killed by anothers twins? Hahahaha!
That is absolutely the worst way to do it kek. He will absolutely throw down with every pair of twins he meets. Part of the whole discussion we had with the deity in disguise was "overcoming one's nature". If we want Pollux to survive we need to get him to not do what he would normally do. At least that's what I think. Which is basically impossible. And Castor is pretty much an enabler because he knows how hard it is to wrangle Pollux.

>>5838322
You'd think being drunk would make him worse at stuff. Yet here you are rolling high again.

The bastard seems to not be looking at them with envy, more sullen or resigned. Maybe he knows something about one or more of them that is not provident and in expressing this sentiment he got the shit kicked out of him? No one likes being given bad news after all, perhaps one of them is prophecized to die in the near future. Or he knows that one of the children is ALSO a bastard, and they beat him this badly because they didn't believe him or he was going to tell one of the parents.

Those are my guesses.

>Take a moderate stance, revealing yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly, and that you had been graciously invited upon this diplomatic voyage by King Menelaus. Briefly explain that in Hellas, you are somewhat known for locating a missing prince, and take the moment to thank Lord Antenor as graciously as you can for his hosting. Essentially, avoid unnecessarily vaunting, but do not shy away from your achievements either.
We're just a completely average noble. Do not look at us.

>Encourage Teukros to announce himself only as a bastard son of King Telamon of Salamis and brother to Prince Ajax. The information regarding his true heritage is best revealed another time; Teukros would likely also prefer to avoid the attentions of hundreds of people at this feast as well...

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Tue 21 Nov 2023 18:12:30 No.5838346 Report

Quoted By: >>5838353 >>5838463 >>5838518

>>5838333
>>5838336

>Nik rolls a 20 vs 25 - not enough
>Teukros rolls a 21 vs 25 - also not enough.

Nik and Teukros are definitely not LBA Sherlock and Watson.

However, you guys have the ability to write-in a cogent guess for the bastard’s situation and partially salvage Nik’s rolls.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 18:24:54 No.5838353 Report

Quoted By: >>5838361

>>5838346
>However, you guys have the ability to write-in a cogent guess for the bastard’s situation and partially salvage Nik’s rolls.
You say that but when all we got is, "He's getting shitfaced and keeps glancing at his family" there's not really any way to make educated guesses. The only way he'd get beaten is either defending someone he shouldn't, saying something he shouldn't, or doing something he shouldn't. Which doesn't narrow it down at all. He's looking either at either his brothers then to his father/mother, or he's looking at the religious functionaries then his father/mother.

So I can only guess it is some friction either between the siblings or with the temples. But without any feedback we're basically dart-boarding this.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Tue 21 Nov 2023 18:34:32 No.5838361 Report

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>>5838353

>it’s difficult to guess

Yes, completely appreciate that. If Teukros or Nikandros had scored even one success, I’d give you guys more to go on. This set of rolls was just to determine whether you have any bonuses for the actual encounter with him later tonight.

However, would definitely encourage players to write up guesses anyways and submit - one of you could get lucky and score a success for Nikon.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:w+le3ndq Tue 21 Nov 2023 19:33:34 No.5838393 Report

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>>5838193
Yes please do. That would be Hella based.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:w+le3ndq Tue 21 Nov 2023 19:51:12 No.5838408 Report

Quoted By: >>5838736

>>5838330
>>5838342
>support
Well... Since we're a big boy combat wombat. I think we should honor his wounds in some way. "My friend and I have a question for you fierce warrior. Was is 10 barboi or 20 barboi that you fought to look as you do. I personally think it was 10 but my bastard friend (introduce T) thinks it was at least 20."
"Would you care to enlighten us?" Offer him a cup of wine.

Hopefully if he's more drunk it'll be easier. And who doesn't like to recap how strong of a warrior they are especially to foreign warriors. We don't really care about the truth of what happened more so to grease him into talking.

Have T talk about the negatives of being a bastard. If he doesn't really jump Gung-ho into retelling his scrap. See if we can get him to commiserate. We could talk about being cursed by rivers and standing in the shadow of our father.

Also I'd like to ask about the two nobles colors that we fucked up recently. Since we don't know who they were. we don't have to mention we bodied then yet.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:nKY1P9ga Tue 21 Nov 2023 21:02:27 No.5838463 Report

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>>5838346
>However, you guys have the ability to write-in a cogent guess for the bastard’s situation and partially salvage Nik’s rolls.

>I fucked one woman and make her cum dweeb

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 21:58:42 No.5838510 Report

Quoted By:

3 hour warning errybody

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Tue 21 Nov 2023 22:06:02 No.5838518 Report

Quoted By: >>5838521 >>5838535 >>5838736

>>5838330
>>Take a humble stance, revealing yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly, lord of a minor estate within the rural foothills of Mount Olympus. Keep your speech short - do not mention your achievements or how you came to be in Menelaus' company. An aura of mystery may serve you better in the short term.
>Encourage Teukros to announce himself only as a bastard son of King Telamon of Salamis and brother to Prince Ajax. The information regarding his true heritage is best revealed another time; Teukros would likely also prefer to avoid the attentions of hundreds of people at this feast as well...
Keep the mystery and dont make a claim like we are a champion. Never play with deities.
We want this man intrigued by us not jealous, bored or annoyed. Why would anyone too important approach him ? Doesn't make sense, but people of minor importance that were still brought with the greeks ? Now thats more interesting.

>>5838346
Err. Meh.
I think it will end in a gaff at best. Nothing important because we can just move on from here to listening to someone else. Anyway i ll throw my half cooked attempt.

"You seem to have choose a poor fight, or the poor fight choose you stranger. Whatever it is for, you fought for it. I can respect that, i had fought against multiple before and gave them what they deserved for go against me. I am interested though, was your fight something related with your family or the priests ? I cant help but notice you throw a glance or two there. What for ? Do your foes really deserve any attention from you ?"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Tue 21 Nov 2023 22:07:25 No.5838521 Report

Quoted By: >>5838535 >>5838631

>>5838518
Ops
>Write-in
>"You seem to have choose a poor fight, or the poor fight choose you stranger. Whatever it is for, you fought for it. I can respect that, i had fought against multiple scum alone before and gave them what they deserved for go against me. I am interested though, was your fight something related with your family or the priests ? I cant help but notice you throw a glance or two there. What for ? Do your foes really deserve any attention from you ?"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 22:17:44 No.5838534 Report

Quoted By: >>5838549 >>5838560 >>5838631 >>5838736

>>5838330
>Take a moderate stance, revealing yourself as Nikandros of Thessaly, and that you had been graciously invited upon this diplomatic voyage by King Menelaus. Briefly explain that in Hellas, you are somewhat known for locating a missing prince, and take the moment to thank Lord Antenor as graciously as you can for his hosting. Essentially, avoid unnecessarily vaunting, but do not shy away from your achievements either.

>Encourage Teukros to announce himself only as a bastard son of King Telamon of Salamis and brother to Prince Ajax. The information regarding his true heritage is best revealed another time; Teukros would likely also prefer to avoid the attentions of hundreds of people at this feast as well...

One thing I would guess about the bastard that he had his head and beard shaven as a form of punishment. He put up a fight and got his arm hurt. He is being shunned. He did not want to partake in this feast but he was forced to go so even the foreigners could see his shame. So he doesn't eat and tries his best to get blackout drunk.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 22:17:52 No.5838535 Report

Quoted By: >>5838736

>>5838518
>>5838521
+1

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 22:31:40 No.5838549 Report

Quoted By: >>5838560

>>5838534

>One thing I would guess about the bastard that he had his head and beard shaven as a form of punishment. He put up a fight and got his arm hurt. He is being shunned. He did not want to partake in this feast but he was forced to go so even the foreigners could see his shame. So he doesn't eat and tries his best to get blackout drunk.

Ding ding ding! I will consider this one success (out of three possible elements, you’ve guessed one).

There will be a corresponding bonus when it comes time to interact with him

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 22:40:53 No.5838560 Report

Quoted By:

>>5838534
>>5838549
Nice one anon. I'd have never guessed that about the hair. I neglected the significance of it in the ancient world. Smarter than me at least kek

But there are three things? Dayum.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 22:45:56 No.5838564 Report

Quoted By: >>5838572

Wild guess but maybe he got into a fight because of foreigners, maybe he somehow heard of this diplomatic trip and has some divisive opinions

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 22:49:40 No.5838572 Report

Quoted By: >>5838577

>>5838564
I'd laugh if those dudes we killed on the shore were his idea and the family sponsored/hired them and is down men and money now and they blame him.

But we know better than that. That would be way too coincidental. Or not. I have no idea who they were, still.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 22:56:37 No.5838577 Report

Quoted By: >>5838582

>>5838572
Yea, be one hell of a coincidence. I don’t know if some Trojans, especially young ones, have a desire for glory/fame in war. Some meta game knowledge but the translation of the guy who got brained said he was targeting the King of Ithaca. It would be one hell of a coincidence that a bastard to a powerful noble family like this tried setting up Odysseus for death so a war could spark and he gain glory.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 23:00:57 No.5838582 Report

Quoted By: >>5838608 >>5838645

>>5838577
I may not know the motives but targeting Odysseus is always a good pastime. He has apparently been by this way before, seeing as how he does speak the language and recognize the city. He probably has quite a few people around the Aegean who would want him dead if the chance arose.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 21 Nov 2023 23:18:46 No.5838608 Report

Quoted By: >>5838622

>>5838582

To be clear, Nikandros doesn’t believe that Odysseus speaks Luwian. Earlier, Odysseus was reading Palamedes and the messenger boy’s body language and deducted that Palamedes was tampering with the message from this alone.

However, Nik has inferred that Odysseus has been here before from their conversation, even though Odysseus hasn’t flat out told Nik this

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 21 Nov 2023 23:39:42 No.5838622 Report

Quoted By: >>5838628 >>5838629

>>5838608
>Odysseus was reading Palamedes and the messenger boy’s body language and deducted that Palamedes was tampering with the message from this alone.
Fucking hell. That shit has to be cheating. Does Palamedes just have the shittiest poker face or is Odysseus even more disgustingly socially capable than I already thought he was?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Tue 21 Nov 2023 23:53:27 No.5838628 Report

Quoted By: >>5838706

>>5838622
Here are his traits that are basically confirmed based on his actions and status before you even get to the bonuses he gets for being a king.

>(Tier 2) Chosen: Many men are blessed by the gods. Priests, prophets, and oracles are said to commune with them. Exceedingly few mortals, however, have ever had a personal relationship with any deity. You are one of those few. (Subvote for which god/goddess later. The consequences of this trait depend wholly on what god/goddess has chosen you, but you are guaranteed double the benefits of Favored.) So at a min +6 stats from this one are probably closer to 8.

>(Tier 2) Silver Tongued: Language is a marvelous thing. All are susceptible to its influence, gods and men alike. Hermes robbed All-Knowing Apollo blind by wit alone. Prometheus bested Almighty Zeus with his winged words. You too are a master of the cunning tongue, sharper than any blade. (+3 to all seductive, deceptive, persuasive, or otherwise self-interested speech acts, +6 charisma, +4 charisma cap)

>(Tier 1) Literate: You can read. This is a rare skill to begin with, restricted to a fading class of scribes born for the task and almost unheard of among the Hellenic nobility. Yet you are not merely literate like the common scribe. You can read common Hellenic, Minoan, Egyptian hieroglyphics, Phoenician, Hittite cuneiform, and likely anything related to these scripts. Consequently, you also have a much-enlarged understanding of the wider world despite your provincial upbringing. (+4 intelligence, a lot of extra knowledge, and the ability to speak the common trading languages on top of the above).

>(Tier 1) Rhetor: Hellenic noblemen must be warriors, not only on the battlefield but also in the assembly hall. One must speak well in order to be chosen for honors by social superiors, to convince a father that you deserve his daughter’s hand, to impress fellow demigods on the field of battle, and so on. The art of persuasion is in a nascent stage, but you already know it better than most all men. (+3 for all formal speeches/appeals, +4 charisma)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 21 Nov 2023 23:53:59 No.5838629 Report

Quoted By: >>5838636 >>5838706

>>5838622
He has max charisma and max intelligence.
All the heroes all cheating with both stats and plot armor, it's the reason Nikon's chance of survival are so low

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:c9S+9Cea Tue 21 Nov 2023 23:55:59 No.5838631 Report

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>>5838534
Makes sense. Good catch.
>>5838521
>support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Wed 22 Nov 2023 00:00:01 No.5838636 Report

Quoted By: >>5838638

>>5838629
Yes, but here's the thing. Their fates are pretty much set similar to the Born Under a Bad Sign Malus on top of their individual maluses. Compared to us who only lose a couple of stats and can't really do anything involving rivers we are basically in the Olympics with a bunch of tier-one athletes juiced up the gills or having their criminal contacts axe the competition who may outperform us but are likely to have their hearts exploded or have whatever honors they win stripped when their candles are revealed whereas we are competing based on good old-fashioned training, genetics, a desire to be the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Wed 22 Nov 2023 00:01:46 No.5838638 Report

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>>5838636
*scandals
Stupid auto-correct, tiredness, and not being able to edit posts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 00:07:13 No.5838645 Report

Quoted By: >>5838706

>>5838582
>if the chance arose.
He does steal Kleos as shown with Nikon. If Nikon had godly rage I would imagine we might've been provoked into attacking him right there and then.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 01:03:24 No.5838706 Report

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>>5838628
I consistently forget how busted some of the tier two traits are.

>>5838629
I don't think he has max int, I think that goes to Palamedork, but he certainly has really high int. That's just my headcannon though.

>>5838645
>tfw if we did kill Odysseus we'd make more friends than enemies
>a LOT more
>a staggering amount more

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 02:14:08 No.5838736 Report

Quoted By: >>5838754

Announce yourself as Nike's champion (a bit presumptuous, if I do say so myself)
>>5838336

Moderate Approach
>>5838342
>>5838408
>>5838534

Humble Approach
>>5838518
>>5838535

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Teukros Humble (unanimous)

>>5838336
>>5838342
>>5838408
>>5838518
>>5838534
>>5838535

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 22 Nov 2023 02:37:42 No.5838754 Report

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>>5838736
Oh yeah. It makes the Trojans wonder why a Champion of victory is with a foreign party on their home soil and hopefully Nike to take an interest in us.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 02:59:24 No.5838766 Report

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The moment comes soon enough – Lord Antenor stands, and for the benefit of your diplomatic party, addresses the hall in accented Hellenika:

“Guests, it is my pleasure to welcome you to the halls of my father, Hicetaon. You have dined, you have availed yourselves on the finest wine and substance that my οἶκος can provide. Now that we have put aside our need for eating and drinking, let us know you – what are your names, and the names of your fathers? From what ports have you sailed, and why have you come to shining Ilion?”

Antenor’s words are grand, his voice and tone metered – again, you are struck by his kingly presentation. He exudes good will – his eyes glimmered in true pleasure as he regards your party in turn. As is custom, your party introduces themselves one by one, in descending order of peerage - the attendants whisper Luwian translations to their respective guests, if needed. King Menelaus is first – and he delivers a short and humiliating address to Antenor, making no reference to Paris’ crimes - Odysseus has transformed the brother of Agamemnon into a prideless beggar, and Menelaus's speech suffers for it - despite his natural charisma, he seems to struggle with formal address – the words escape the barrier of his teeth in odd bursts. Nonetheless, the crowd receives his speech well. Next, Odysseus speaks – but to your honest surprise, he delivers a short and borderline humble speech, introducing himself as a King, but referring to Ithaka as a “humble domain on the far side of Hellas” - he manages to alter his posture as well, rounding his shoulders, and reducing his noble bearing.

Prince Ajax stands, enormous, and delivers a booming address that leaves no doubt regarding his affiliations – he has come to protect the interests of King Menelaus, whatever they may. As Prince of Salamis, the representative of the second-greatest naval power on the Peloponnese, his presence is a reminder that Hellas is capable of making good on High King Agamemnon’s threat of a call to arms. And yet - Ajax makes it unclear what his own opinions might be - he gives no hint about his true thoughts about the conduct of Paris and how the council should conclude. Prince Palamedes is next – and after a summary of his status and family, he delivers a somewhat awkward and over-long recitation of your travels through the Cyclades and up the coast to Ilion. He sits to polite but confused applause.

The Dioscuri stand together, of course – they announce themselves vauntingly, as Argonauts and heroes of a hundred tales. The entire feast hall seems to crane their necks in order to better glimpse Pollux, son of Zeus – an Argonaut and son of Zeus once sacked the city, after all. Together, they do absolutely nothing to abase themselves before Antenor and his family, standing proudly and demanding the attention of all present. Pollux, guileless that he is, finishes his short address as follows:

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 03:15:01 No.5838770 Report

Quoted By: >>5838772

“We seek the return of Helen, my sister, to Sparta. She was wedded lawfully in Hellas, she resides in Hellas, and to Hellas she must return.” His words are the first (of very many, you suspect) to directly touch upon the diplomatic crisis – there is a long lingering silence, before you realize that you are next to stand.

You keep your address plain and to the point – between your humble garb and your lack of formal education, you don’t feel comfortable stretching for more. You state your name, origins, and briefly mention your locating of a missing prince in Hellas – you don’t provide specifics about Achilles, Thetis, Skyros or the petteia tournament. Instead, you spend the majority of your short address thanking Antenor for his gracious hosting of yourself and your party, and to Menelaus, to providing you with the opportunity to travel to sacred Ilion. The reception of your words is polite, and there is mild interest at your reference to a missing prince, but attention quickly turns away from you once you cease your address.

Teukros, at your encouragement, delivers the shortest address of all:

“I am Teukros Telamonios – brother to Prince Ajax of Salamis, and bastard son of King Telamon. I thank you earnestly for your hospitality.”

Even this short speech seems to have taxed him severely – you note that his hands are actually shaking due to nerves. Teukros, for all his playful confidence in private, seems to falls to pieces in a formal setting. The forlorn man sitting opposite to you shows the first signs of life as Teukros sits – his eyes flashing over Teukros’ face. As for the audience - they seem to forget Teukros even before he takes a sip of wine to steady himself.

Antenor stands once more and releases the feast attendees to mingle as they see fit – Pollux, having found his audience amongst the Antenorida, gregariously engages them with a combination of charades and the halting interpretation of one of the Trojans, to the great amusement of all. By the central table, Lord Antenor is in deep discourse with Odysseus and Menelaus. You cannot hear what they are saying from your seat; not over the din of laughter, conversation and clinking bowls and plates, but Odysseus seems at ease, Menelaus appears tense, and Antenor listens on with a grave expression on his noble face.

>cont

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Anonymous ID:Pf7t4drO Wed 22 Nov 2023 03:20:27 No.5838772 Report

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>>5838770
>She was wedded lawfully in Hellas, she resides in Hellas, and to Hellas she must return.
The Dioscuri are so fucking based

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 03:33:30 No.5838785 Report

Quoted By: >>5838789 >>5838808 >>5838811 >>5838832 >>5838883 >>5838925 >>5838970 >>5838998 >>5839047

As you scan the feast crowd, full of notable Trojans and seemingly all of Antenor's blood relatives, wives, and friends - a piece of the puzzle falls into place. The Trojan bastard's unkempt and strange appearance, in combination with his healing wounds... You can see it now - the bastard losing a fight and being shorn of his hair and beard as punishment. You've never suffered such an indignity, of course, but you can now better understand the man's sullen behavior; you would hardly want to attend such a formal dinner with your shame clear to your family and all others present.

But the rest of the man's predicament are unclear to you - who did this to the bastard and why? You cannot ascertain this information from a visual inspection alone.

Undaunted, you whisper what insights you have to Teukros, and suggest that he find a means to get the bastard talking. Teukros' admission of his heritage seems to have created an opening in the bastard's drunken shell of self-loathing - and when Teukros speaks in Luwian, the Trojan bastard responds out of reflex. Within several minutes, Teukros has managed to keep up the flow of conversation, given his own natural charms.

>Nikandros is smart enough to let Teukros handle the talking here, between the shared bastard status and Luwian proficiency of Teukros.
>Nikandros' insight about the bastard's shorn hair removes one die of difficulty from Teukros' impending persuasion attempt.

You, for the most part, create the appearance of ignoring them as they chat in Luwian - the uneducated Hellene who is disinterested in foreign tongues. In truth, you are considering what piece of information the bastard might be willing to provide - you will slip your suggestion to Teukros at the appropriate moment.

>What will Teukros try to learn from the bastard?

>Who is expected to attend the Trojan Council? This surprisingly simple request may be hardest for the bastard to answer, depending on his current relationship and interests in recent affairs. A risky query and one that could easily backfire.

>Who assaulted you, and can we be of assistance? You deem this request to be moderately dangerous - it implies that the bastard may need assistance, angering him in the process. Nonetheless, you are very interested to turn this man into your ally, and perhaps learn of divisions within the house of Antenor.

>Where can I find the Bronzesmithing Quarter of the Lower City, and would you be willing to guide us there tomorrow? Your oath to Polypias must be addressed - and the bronzesmith Auletes will be killed, as you swore in Samia. This is a simple request, and by ξενία, should be honored. You deem this request least risky.

>Is there a witch within the city of Ilion that might be of use to me? Could you guide us to this person? This request is moderately risky, given that it implies that the bastard trafficks in such circles.

>Something else?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 03:38:42 No.5838789 Report

Quoted By: >>5839106

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 03:51:01 No.5838808 Report

Quoted By: >>5839047 >>5839106 >>5839143

>>5838785
>>Something else?
>What news is there amongst the nobles of Ilion, the sentiment on the arrival of Helen and the men that pursue her, the tidings and politicking is this echelon.
Probably a risky thing to ask. But hearing if a bunch of people are afraid or angry or confident or whatever is quite useful to know for the negotiation. Know your enemy and their attitude.

Also as an aside, I was wondering if we could utilize INT to make sort of insight checks on enemy characters before battle, to get a general idea of their stats. Like in a range, not exact. I feel like we only ever get to use INT for petteia and pretending to be a detective. It'd feel nice to be able to use one of our best stats more often. Though I'd understand if you wanted to not have that sort of thing. Plenty of heroes get into fights they can't win without even realizing. On the other hand, most heroes are lacking in general intelligence which could be used to explain why they make those mistakes. Just figured I'd ask.

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Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Wed 22 Nov 2023 03:53:02 No.5838811 Report

Quoted By: >>5839106

>>5838785
>Where can I find the Bronzesmithing Quarter of the Lower City, and would you be willing to guide us there tomorrow? Your oath to Polypias must be addressed - and the bronzesmith Auletes will be killed, as you swore in Samia. This is a simple request, and by ξενία, should be honored. You deem this request least risky.

KILL BRONZESMITH! But only after he tells about his rocks and how they become bronze

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 22 Nov 2023 04:05:11 No.5838832 Report

Quoted By: >>5838847 >>5838849

>>5838785
>Something else?
What do you think of Socrates? Specifically, his way of defining ἀρετή?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 04:17:07 No.5838847 Report

Quoted By: >>5838849

>>5838832
Socrates hasn't been born yet. You're like, seven centuries early kek

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 22 Nov 2023 04:19:19 No.5838849 Report

Quoted By: >>5838851 >>5839106

>>5838847
lol Aww shit, you're right.

Changing >>5838832
Who are you? How do you define ἀρετή ?

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 04:21:15 No.5838851 Report

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>>5838849
>ask the bastard what he thinks of sock crates?
>local time traveler defines virtue in response

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Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 22 Nov 2023 05:05:47 No.5838883 Report

Quoted By: >>5838892 >>5839106

>>5838785
>Where can I find the Bronzesmithing Quarter of the Lower City, and would you be willing to guide us there tomorrow? Your oath to Polypias must be addressed - and the bronzesmith Auletes will be killed, as you swore in Samia. This is a simple request, and by ξενία, should be honored. You deem this request least risky.

We'll be here for more than one day, probably. Should ease into it and have some good ol' fashion bro time killing local tradesmen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 05:10:19 No.5838892 Report

Quoted By: >>5838897

>>5838883
>he doesn't want to backdash noclip through the walls of the palace of priam and then abuse the physics engine to levitate out of a window with helen in tow
Any% let's go

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Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 22 Nov 2023 05:13:49 No.5838897 Report

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>>5838892
It's our first play through. I'll start voting for frame skips and noclipping on the MAXIMUM SEER run.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Wed 22 Nov 2023 05:55:15 No.5838925 Report

Quoted By: >>5838945 >>5839106

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 06:16:21 No.5838945 Report

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>>5838925
I dunno man, it might be better to wait until we're on the way out. Besides, do we really need to ask this guy of all people? Just go to the docks, find some assclown selling things and ask him "where bronze place". If he doesn't understand or won't point us there, go to the next guy. EZ PZ. Then when we get there we just walk around repeating "Auletes?" until someone either answers or points us toward the guy.

Man this seek and destroy shit is piss easy. Yea.

No really though, why are people wanting to ask this guy specifically?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Wed 22 Nov 2023 07:00:47 No.5838970 Report

Quoted By: >>5839106

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Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 07:29:13 No.5838998 Report

Quoted By: >>5839106

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Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Wed 22 Nov 2023 09:23:17 No.5839047 Report

Quoted By: >>5839054 >>5839106

>>5838785
>Who assaulted you, and can we be of assistance? You deem this request to be moderately dangerous - it implies that the bastard may need assistance, angering him in the process. Nonetheless, you are very interested to turn this man into your ally, and perhaps learn of divisions within the house of Antenor.
If he is too proud it will backfire, but honestly we can just leave.
Pollux and Castor will do something, the fact they have essentially announce it is bad. And good because we might be able to attempt to start the rumors ideas, with the attention of our foes on them.

>>5838808
i recon INT will come up when there are more situations related to it. So far they really didn't.
Not many scholarships or learning situations, not many strategical or tactical situations and so on. We did mostly exclusively socials, some combat, and little to no training or learning in this travel.
I very much imagine that INT and military genius are also completely blocked in their true potential, by the fact Nikandros has bare minimum education. If he would actually become a learned man his true potential would shine.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 09:24:20 No.5839048 Report

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You know this kind of sounds like the opener to a bad joke, two bastards and an orphan walk into a feast. Or a cripple, a bastard and an orphan. Depending on how you want to stretch the Trojan's injuries. But the beginning of a bad joke regardless. And yes I know Nikon and Nira's mom is still alive, but she ain't all there and that can be just as bad, sometimes.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 09:37:04 No.5839054 Report

Quoted By: >>5839072

>>5839047
I would imagine there would be little chances for learning at all considering the quest is going to be centered around civilized world war. Not much time for academia when you're gutting people one day and trying to stop a thousand men from stumbling over one another the next. I get where it will have uses but I can also see how it has effectively zero direct application outside of leading men.

Like you can insult men to death or be insulted to death. But int doesn't seem to help with either of those. You can beat someone to death or be beaten to death, but int doesn't come into play there, either. It sits in this weird place of isolation amongst stats. I guess I just feel a little weird about having a stat that exists more as a soft check that has more use in directing others than in blunt application. Granted, it could be that it is specialized so because it is EXTREMELY powerful in its limited domains. But as you said, we haven't really had the chance to see that. Other than that one battle with Nira who really wasn't in charge or a trained leader anyway. So it's hard to say.

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Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Wed 22 Nov 2023 10:08:38 No.5839072 Report

Quoted By: >>5839077 >>5839081

>>5839054
In theory there will be a window of time of war prep in Greece, if the war starts. Some months likely. That is our opportunity for get what we need. I think we will see it when the conditions for it are made, like battles. Talking is the realm of charisma can't do much about it. Int could help for boost it if it was related in an argument Nikandros knows, seem a bit difficult. And fighting i can't see INT use unless you know something that the enemy doesn't like "my shield is drowned not in water but super poison".
And i fully believe it is blocked by being not educated. Not being able to read greek books (they aren't books i know but lets just call them that), automatically puts a wall on Nikandros.

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Wed 22 Nov 2023 10:22:36 No.5839077 Report

Quoted By: >>5839081 >>5839145

>>5839072
Int is useful in passively avoiding pitfalls and stupid mistakes. Imagine having to roll to see if we realize we are in the perfect position for an ambush or to realize that saying a particular thing in a particular place to a particular person is a bad idea. Int keeps us from making stupid mistakes which we would probably be making if we were the average uneducated hick that people assume we are.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 10:31:06 No.5839081 Report

Quoted By: >>5839083 >>5839086 >>5839145

>>5839072
Mustering would probably only last a couple months. If not less since technically it has been happening the entire time we've been on the journey. Ever since Agamemnon put out the call, really. But you see what I mean though, right? INT seems to function more to enable other things. High INT means you can figure something out to make a persuasive argument. Or that you can learn a certain something to allow you to build plans around. It's useful, but only insofar as that it lets you do other things or approach from oblique angles instead of straightforward. Every other stat is a hammer, but INT is the wrapping that makes it feel good in the hand. The only other application for INT I can think of is the medical stuff, which is a direct application but it's also limited in when it may present itself, we're not gonna kill a guy by diagnosing him with gay after all. That being said it is useful for stealth in that regard. Also very funny, Nikon without any malus has only 1 point less bonus to medical stuff than Nira was in her first thread. I think that's kinda funny.

As for literacy, I think the only literate nobles (on our side at least) have been the Dork, the Dick, and maybe Agamemnon or Electra? Most nobles aren't literate, that's what the hired help is for, apparently. Being literate is absurdly useful for Nikon though, being a general type. Writing your own orders, and more importantly, not needing anyone to interpret the communiques sent to you is amazing for operational security. Otherwise he's actually pretty okay not being literate, so long as he has someone around to do it for him. But he's a poorfag so that's never.

>>5839077
>Int keeps us from making stupid mistakes
I dunno about that, chief. We go on hikes a lot. Half of the time that nearly kills us. But I get what you mean. It can be really hard to see since that's "under the hood" though. We don't really know when it's kicking in because it's automatic.

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Wed 22 Nov 2023 10:40:38 No.5839083 Report

Quoted By: >>5839092

>>5839081
Example. Can you imagine if we had failed the riddle from totally not Apollo? It could have gone as bad as Thetis or worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 10:46:07 No.5839086 Report

Quoted By: >>5839092

>>5839081
>Half of the time that nearly kills us
Nikon is still a Homeric hero after all. He may be smart but he is also eighteen.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Wed 22 Nov 2023 10:55:12 No.5839089 Report

Quoted By: >>5839092

I’ll just chime in here and say legitimately that we haven’t made it out of the prologue of TWQ.

Nikon basically has undertaken two separate and VERY substantial side quests before going to Aulis to take command of his First Platoon. There’s one more pre-war module that Nikon could undertake as well. Once the war begins properly, you’ll be using INT a LOT for battle strategy.

tl;dr - Nikon is a military genius but hasn’t had command of his own troops just yet. His high INT will be very important in later threads.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 11:05:10 No.5839092 Report

Quoted By: >>5839103 >>5839113

>>5839083
That wasn't an int check though. If it was we would've had a +6 or 7 to the roll, we had either 3 or 4 int modifier plus the 3 from FOB. We had a +5. And it was also spurred by a write-in I'm pretty sure?

>>5839086
Those birds would have still been there if he was 30! Fuck birds. But fair.

>>5839089
>His high INT will be very important in later threads.
With the apparently abysmal odds of survival, the constant threatening to kill Nikon, and alarming amount of innocent jogs turned deathworld thunderdomes, it seems rather front loaded to not get us there kek

I'm honestly just worried that INT won't feel good from lack of "feedback". I'm not trying to be a perfectbuildfag. I'd have still voted the same way in chargen, I just want it to feel rewarding to have it by using it.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 11:23:25 No.5839103 Report

Quoted By: >>5839113

>>5839092

All things in due time, anon.

FWIW, you guys wouldn't have been able to reveal Achilles and then unlock this subsequent sidequest with a high INT and military genius - it's hard to overstate how important Nik's experience will be here for his development arc.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 11:26:38 No.5839106 Report

Quoted By:

90 min warning - current tally so far.

Where did he touch you?

>>5838789
>>5838970
>>5838998
>>5839047

What news in Ilion?

>>5838808

Hitman: LBA

>>5838811
>>5838883
>>5838925 (technically a one-post ID but also a namefag who has been posting)

Philosophical inquiry

>>5838849

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Wed 22 Nov 2023 11:44:12 No.5839113 Report

Quoted By: >>5839119

>>5839103
>>5839092
Personally, I like filling a pseudo-Erebus role where we are not the strongest at any one particular thing, but where we are present at all the important places with all the important people dripping poison into ears, seeking our the disenfranchised for our own ends to provoke a war that probably would have happened anyway, and guiding important individuals from making dumb mistakes because it goes against our interests. We also have an amazing poker face while seeking our glory and knowing that we can't show our true intentions until the war has started at which point there is no longer a need for a charade and there is no going back.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 11:49:36 No.5839119 Report

Quoted By: >>5839122 >>5839124

>>5839113

>good poker face

Yes, you guys have done a pretty good job of flying under the radar by intentionally limiting contact with Odysseus and Menelaus where you can, and by merely pretending to be mentally disabled when you have no other option

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Wed 22 Nov 2023 11:54:00 No.5839122 Report

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>>5839119
To be fair even if we were to act stupid on purpose we would still be less stupid than every other teenage nobleman in the country.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Wed 22 Nov 2023 11:57:07 No.5839124 Report

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>>5839119
Mentally disabled? I think we come across as more socially inept, inexperienced, and as an impoverished hick who does not know much. Also, I don't mind that we are poor and in what is comparatively rags as do you know what you can't achieve through glory, charisma, skill, or money? The status of a trueborn son.

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Anonymous ID:RIJ1OWvE Wed 22 Nov 2023 12:36:27 No.5839143 Report

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>>5838808
Support

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Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Wed 22 Nov 2023 12:36:46 No.5839145 Report

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>>5839077
possibly

>>5839081
I know but is still something.
ye

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 13:02:34 No.5839159 Report

Quoted By: >>5839165 >>5839197

Rolled 12, 16, 18 - 2 = 44 (3d20 - 2)

Teukros is making progress – the bastard’s responding, his speech muddled by wine. You make a show of continuing to eat large quantities of roasted meat, although you slow your pace somewhat – even you have your limits. At the appropriate moment, you whisper to Teukros, explaining that you’d like to know who beat the bastard and shaved his head– with this information, you may reveal divisions in the house of Antenor. Teukros is quick to nod, clearly curious himself, and turns to his Trojan counterpart.

“En jouw naam, vriend?” Teukros inquires.

“…Pedaeus,” the bastard replies – his name finally pried loose by Teukros’ charm.

”Als de ene slecht verwekte zoon voor de andere: wie van hen heeft jou geslagen, Pedaeus? Ik ben er zelf geweest; de afgewende ogen, de terneergeslagen gezichten. Het is het beste om er met vrienden over te praten en het gif uit je aderen te zuigen…” While you don’t know what Teukros is saying, he gestures to his own face and hair in an apparent show of solidarity. You presume that he is attempting to commiserate on the general treatment of bastards.

Pedaeus' jaw locks; his lips compress to a fine line. Again, you’re struck by the bruising on his face, and looking again – his face is puffy, his skin ashen. You suspect that this is not the first time the man has overindulged on his father’s fine wines. On general principles, you find drunkenness distasteful, as all proper Hellenes should – such lack of discipline is unbecoming of a man, in your opinion. As a Thessalian, the tale of King Ixion and Nephele, and the savage carousing of the Κενταυροι, is never far from your mind. And yet - you do have a small margin of pity for the man. No man chooses to be a bastard, and dragging that stone for one's whole life must take a toll on one's mind and well-being.

Pedaeus fails to respond to Teukros, at first, and so Teukros plies him again:

"Weet je, toen mijn vader mij betrapte met het dragen van de helm van mijn broer..."

You stare at Pedaeus eagerly - information wins battles more surely than spears or swords do, and this upcoming council is surely a battle. Gratitude swells in your breast - what good fortune for you to have met Teukros, and for finding him a companion and friend! The right information from Pedaeus may very well lead you down the path towards eternal glory - fame everlasting...

>okay /qst/ - let’s roll for Teukros’ attempt to charm Pedaeus and learn his tale. I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+7. Teukros is naturally charming (+3 CHA bonus) and has a variant on the Man of the People trait (+3 to interactions with commoners/non-nobility). I’m additionally assigning a +1 for bastard solidarity.

>Pedaeus is still drunk, still angry, but is now rolling WILL to defend Teukros’ CHA attempt. So I’m rolling dice+3d20+-2 to resist. He has a standard WILL bonus of +0 and I’m assigning a moderate WILL penalty due to his inebriation.

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Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 13:12:19 No.5839165 Report

Quoted By: >>5839205

Rolled 17 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>5839159
Schmoozing TEUKIE

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 14:11:57 No.5839193 Report

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>me waiting for 2nd roll

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Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 22 Nov 2023 14:16:45 No.5839197 Report

Quoted By: >>5839205

Rolled 4 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>5839159

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 22 Nov 2023 14:25:03 No.5839205 Report

Quoted By: >>5839427

>>5839165
>>5839197

>lil T rolls a 24 vs 16
> Just barely 3 successes

You guys don’t really know how lucky you are to have Teukie, he just delivered a massive W. Very exciting.

Update for 1pm EST

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Wed 22 Nov 2023 17:43:23 No.5839312 Report

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>Teukros rolls a 24 vs 16 – 3 degrees of success!
>Pedaeus spills his secrets like a chump
>I’m going to be traveling for several days so my apologies for the lack of fancy formatting.

Pedaeus begins to weep – he manages to stifle his sobs and avoid unwanted attention from the other guests, but the tears roll down his swollen cheeks freely. You open your mouth to speak, but Teukros, under the feast table, swats at your hip – his eyes flash at you in warning, and you clamp your jaw shut.

“Pedaeus - Ik ben klaar om te luisteren als jij klaar bent om te spreken.”

And then Teukros does something that you would never have thought to do: he simply remains silent, and for much longer than you would have had the patience for. As the heartbeats pass by, you grow uncomfortable – how much longer until –

“Coön – hij was… Mijn vader is de afgelopen maanden onredelijk geweest – hij wil mijn verhaal niet eens horen," Pedaeus begins, his speech slurred. It has the feel of a confession, even if you cannot understand his words. " Het is aan Coön om de orde onder de zonen te handhaven. Hij is altijd vriendelijk tegen mij geweest - hij houdt zijn kracht in als hij toeslaat - maar hij is de oudste van ons, hij moet handelen als mijn vader dat beveelt.” Pedaeus masters himself somewhat – his sobs lessen, although his tears continue to roll.

“Antheus is dood,” whispers Pedaeus piteously. “En van alle Antenoridae huilt alleen de zielige Pedaeus om hem.” Teukros’ eyes flash in understanding, and he whispers to you in Hellenika:

“One of Antenor’s sons, Antheus, was killed and Pedaeus observed it; Pedaeus was beaten and shorn in punishment because he demanded to tell his father the true account of it.”

" Maar waarom zou je oudere broer je hoofd scheren? Waarom laat je je niet met je vader praten?” Teukros gently probes.

“Omdat we hier in Ilion de rechtvaardigheid belachelijk maken. Voor de misdaad van eerlijkheid moeten klootzakken lijden. Hier in Ilion worden bloedverwanten geëerd boven hun slachtoffers...” The torrent of Luwian flows freely now, from Pedaeus’ mouth - he speaks faster, his words become more distinct.

“Alexandros daagde Antheus afgelopen herfst uit voor een strijdwagenrace - de aarde was modderig, buiten de tweede greppel. Alexandros heeft een hekel aan verliezen, heeft er altijd een hekel aan gehad. Zijn wielen kwamen vast te zitten in de eerste etappe en Antheus rende vooruit, stak de paal over en keerde terug. Alexandros kon het niet verslaan: hij overschreed de linies en stak zijn reserveprik in de wielen. Antheus werd omvergeworpen, door de wielen verpletterd in de modder...”

Pedaeus groans in mortal distress - “Hij verdronk, Teukros, snakkend naar adem terwijl zijn tanden de modderige aarde vasthielden. Mijn vader maakte het ongeluk snel bekend, en toen werd Alexandros over de zee naar Hellas gestuurd. Ik zal niet langer zwijgen!”

>cont

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Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 22 Nov 2023 17:54:10 No.5839325 Report

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Here's a translation of the conversation so far

And your name, friend?

Like one ill-begotten son to another: which of them has struck you, Pedaeus? I've been there myself; the averted eyes, the downcast faces. It's best to talk about it with friends and suck the poison out of your veins...

You know, when my dad caught me wearing my brother's helmet...

Pedaeus - I'm ready to listen when you're ready to speak.

Coön – he was… My father has been unreasonable in recent months – he doesn't even want to hear my story,

It is up to Coön to maintain order among the sons. He has always been kind to me - he holds his power when he strikes - but he is the eldest of us, he must act when my father orders.

Antheus is dead, and of all the Antenoridae only the pitiful Pedaeus weeps for him.

But why would your older brother shave your head? Why don't you let yourself talk to your father?

Because here in Ilion we make a mockery of justice. For the crime of honesty, bastards must suffer. Here in Ilion, relatives are honored above their victims….”

Alexandros challenged Antheus to a chariot race last fall - the earth was muddy, outside the second ditch. Alexandros hates losing, always has hated it. His wheels got stuck on the first stage and Antheus ran forward, crossed the pole and turned back. Alexandros couldn't beat it: he crossed the lines and put his reserve shot in the wheels. Antheus was overthrown, crushed by the wheels in the mud...

He drowned, Teukros, gasping for breath as his teeth gripped the muddy earth. My father quickly announced the misfortune, and then Alexandros was sent across the sea to Hellas. I will remain silent no longer!

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Wed 22 Nov 2023 17:57:36 No.5839328 Report

Quoted By: >>5839365 >>5839366

Teukros whispers to you in shock – “Paris of Ilion murdered his own cousin during a chariot race last autumn – the crime was hidden by Antenor; Pedaeus’ testimony was silenced!” In your amazement, you drop your act of apathy – you can’t help it. A phenomenal accusation from Pedaeus and an incredible secret to fall into your lap.

Pedaeus, having started his confession, cannot stop himself - he rants wildly now:

“De zonen van Priamus worden altijd beschermd, ongeacht de zwarte daad. Als Hector een man in opleiding doodt, wordt dat plotseling de wil van Zeus. Als Alexandros alle wetten en gebruiken overtreedt, wordt hij beloond met extravagante jachtexpedities naar de berg Ida...”

Teukros sharply questions him now:

“Jacht expedities?”

“Natuurlijk: geen kosten zijn te hoog voor de gezegende Alexandros. Natuurlijk zweren we allemaal om te zwijgen, alsof we hem vanochtend niet hebben zien vertrekken om op zijn wild te jagen...”

Teukros’ eyes now alight with victory, and he turns to you –

“Paris left the city on a hunting expedition to Mount Ida just this morning!”

This is no coincidence - your mind assembles the facts rapidly. When Paris murders his cousin, he is sent to Hellas until his crimes are forgotten – by Priam, no doubt. And now, Paris’ transgressions are so great that Hellas has followed him home. You can imagine it now – Priam, desperate, sets a watch upon the docks once word of High King Agamemnon's call to arms becomes widely known. Priam can expect that some delegation of Hellenes would arrive before open war is declared. Once your black-hulled vessels appear on the horizon, he smuggles Paris out of the city while the council is held - Priam will quash the matter safely until it is safe for Paris to return... But why smuggle Paris out of the city?

Unless Priam cannot trust him to make matters worse!

And of course, this is the case - only an impulsive fool would steal the wife and rob the treasury of King Menelaus of Sparta. Who knows what could emerge from his mouth when confronted with Menelaus, or what Menelaus might say to him? You nearly weep with joy - here is precisely the conspiracy needed to spoil the talks. You cannot believe your fortune - that you would choose, nearly at random, to speak with the only man at the feast who carries your solution. There is only one reasonable explanation - this is the will of the deathless gods. And better yet - none amongst the Achaeans could possibly know what you and Teukros now do.

>cont

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:svc9J6Wd Wed 22 Nov 2023 18:25:13 No.5839358 Report

Quoted By: >>5839365

>Find social inferior with connections to your objective
>Don't be an asshole to them
>???
>Profit
TWQ has proved this method true over and over again

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 22 Nov 2023 18:36:55 No.5839365 Report

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>>5839328
Priam's sons are always protected, regardless of the dark deed. When Hector kills a man in training, it suddenly becomes the will of Zeus. When Alexandros breaks all laws and customs, he is rewarded with extravagant hunting expeditions to Mount Ida...

Hunting expeditions?

Of course: no cost is too high for the blessed Alexandros. Of course we all swear to silence, as if we didn't see him leave this morning to hunt his game...

>>5839358
Being the only sympathetic person pays off, even if it has it's costs as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Wed 22 Nov 2023 18:39:21 No.5839366 Report

Quoted By: >>5839393 >>5839713

>>5839328
Fucking Paris.
Shit this is a big bomb, and the fucker is out of the city.
Okay us and Teukros have to talk with Pollux and Castor.

Uhm
But what about Pedaeus.... he needs to be kept alive. His truth cannot be destroyed.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Wed 22 Nov 2023 18:55:51 No.5839386 Report

Quoted By: >>5839397

But how to act on it? The answer is obvious - you MUST travel to Mount Ida to find Paris and convince him to return. There is simply no other reasonable option. Even better, you are already known as a hiker and enjoyer of landscapes - your travel outside of Ilion for this purpose can only be considered more rural foolishness by Odysseus and the others. The remainder of the feast is a blur - in your mind, you are already racing south along the paths of the Troad countryside to find yet another missing prince.

To your expectation, Lord Antenor concludes the night's festivities with another speech, delivered sonorously in a pleasant baritone:

"I announce a message from King Priam himself - tomorrow, we shall cleanse ourselves in purification by the river Scamander, to honor the father of our great city, and to the Thunderer; a hecaton of cattle will be sacrificed for his pleasure. Let each of us spend the day in private prayer and contemplation of how best to please the gods, before our council begins."

Menelaus twists his mouth in irritation - the Atreides are not known as pious men, and no doubt the delay is an annoyance to him. Odysseus does a better job of hiding his true thoughts, only smiling blandly upon hearing Lord Antenor's winged words.

You grit your teeth - your absence during such prominent religious ceremonies is regrettable, but you must risk it, even if the Trojans consider you a rural heathen for it. As for the delay - you are fortunate that Priam is a priest as well as a king. That Menelaus cares little for such things is even better - there's little risk to your standing with him by disappearing. As you and the other Achaens are shepherded to your respective rooms for rest, you whisper feverishly with Teukros as you walk through the gilded halls, explaining your plans.

"We will need horses or chariots, Nikandros - the mountain is stadia away from here, and who knows how quickly Paris has traveled?" Teukros speaks sense, of course - but as guests of Antenor, you hope that transportation might be provided to you...

---

You awake early next morning, having restlessly tossed and turned through the night, and well before beaming Helios has risen. You wander the palace halls of Antenor, searching for Teukros' - only a few servants are present, but eventually, you locate one who speaks Hellenika, and can direct you to your companion.

Teukros is bleary-eyed - it seems that he struggled to sleep just as you had. No matter - the excitement of the day shall keep both of you awake. You must leave early as possible in order to ensure that you locate Paris in time, but you may have time for a brief conversation with one of your party members, if you so choose. You discard Odysseus immediately from consideration - sharing this information with him would be catastrophic to your purposes. Once you are ready to depart, you will locate Antenor's stables and leave the city as rapidly as you can.

>cont, vote post inbound momentarily

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Wed 22 Nov 2023 18:58:52 No.5839390 Report

Quoted By: >>5839393 >>5839394 >>5839396 >>5839400 >>5839427 >>5839448 >>5839459 >>5839477 >>5839554

>what do, /qst/? Please note that you guys are effectively in a race with Paris to Mount Ida, and time is precious. This vote will close at 9pm tonight.

>Awaken Menelaus and explain to him that Paris is outside the city, and that you will be locating him and returning him - such important news must be shared with Menelaus directly, and if you are successful, will no doubt improve your standing in his eyes. Of course - any information you share with him could then be revealed to others...

>Awaken Palamedes and explain to him what you have learned - he has previously denied cooperation with you, but now the situation has changed tremendously. Beyond Paris himself, Pedaeus' testimony is explosive in its own right - and once Paris returns, you suspect that his life will be threatened. Palamedes could assist you in keeping him safe. But can you trust Palamedes himself, or that Odysseus will not weasel the truth from him?

>Awaken the Dioscuri and attempt to persuade them to join you in the retrieval of Paris. Of all in the diplomatic party, they have the most experience with charioteering, smuggling, and special tasks of import. As helpful as they would be - Pollux is hot-tempered, and you are unsure how he might react to meeting with Paris face-to-face.

>Awaken Ajax and attempt to persuade him to join you and Teukros? You may need him, if there is hostile action during your journey - even unarmed, he is incredibly dangerous. Of course, it may be difficult to convince him to leave the side of Menelaus - he is effectively serving as Menelaus' personal body-guard within Ilion.

>Leave immediately with Teukros - you haven't the time to share what you know with another person or engage in further conspiracy. Every second is precious! This option will provide a moderate speed bonus to your travel with Teukros.

>Something else I haven't thought of?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Wed 22 Nov 2023 19:03:58 No.5839393 Report

Quoted By: >>5839554 >>5839715

Fucking hell, imagine being related to fucking P*ris at all. Everyone in his family deserved better.

>>5839390
>Leave immediately with Teukros - you haven't the time to share what you know with another person or engage in further conspiracy. Every second is precious! This option will provide a moderate speed bonus to your travel with Teukros.
As much as I'd *like* to trust this with Palamedes, the man doesn't have the poker face to keep this from Odysseus.

>>5839366
>Okay us and Teukros have to talk with Pollux and Castor.
Imagine the Chaos Paris would return to.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 22 Nov 2023 19:04:43 No.5839394 Report

Quoted By: >>5839715

>>5839390
>Awaken the Dioscuri and attempt to persuade them to join you in the retrieval of Paris. Of all in the diplomatic party, they have the most experience with charioteering, smuggling, and special tasks of import. As helpful as they would be - Pollux is hot-tempered, and you are unsure how he might react to meeting with Paris face-to-face.
I can't believe that all of our hiking is actually turning up on our favor. Are we idiot savants?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Wed 22 Nov 2023 19:04:54 No.5839395 Report

Quoted By: >>5839713 >>5839715

This is our chance to try and gank Paris before the war has even started. Even if we fail we the war will be unavoidable. I don’t care how charismatic Odysseus is let’s see him try and talk his way out of the Greek equivalent of shooting Abe Lincoln/Franz Ferdinand.

>Get Castor and Pollux

I’m phone posting but I’m the anon who posted at

>5827949

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Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 22 Nov 2023 19:07:39 No.5839396 Report

Quoted By: >>5839715

>>5839390
>Awaken the Dioscuri and attempt to persuade them to join you in the retrieval of Paris. Of all in the diplomatic party, they have the most experience with charioteering, smuggling, and special tasks of import. As helpful as they would be - Pollux is hot-tempered, and you are unsure how he might react to meeting with Paris face-to-face.
Hell yeah, let's go fuck with Paris with the boys. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this. At all.

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Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 22 Nov 2023 19:08:24 No.5839397 Report

Quoted By: >>5839398 >>5839715

>>5839386
Don't worry Nikon, even if we didn't find this out it skipping it would be for the best.
The river faggot would probably throw a hissy fit and try to drown us.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Wed 22 Nov 2023 19:10:16 No.5839398 Report

Quoted By: >>5839401

>>5839397

>he thinks there are no rivers on the way to Ida

Oh, my sweet summer child...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 19:15:19 No.5839400 Report

Quoted By: >>5839715

>>5839390
>Awaken the Dioscuri and attempt to persuade them to join you in the retrieval of Paris. Of all in the diplomatic party, they have the most experience with charioteering, smuggling, and special tasks of import. As helpful as they would be - Pollux is hot-tempered, and you are unsure how he might react to meeting with Paris face-to-face.

Keep in mind, the word of a bastard and a random Thessalian noble won’t be enough,in all likelihood. Getting the support of the Dioscuri however will lend a lot more weight to Nikon’s words.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 22 Nov 2023 19:18:23 No.5839401 Report

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>>5839398
But we won't be ritualistic immersing ourselves in them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 19:59:51 No.5839427 Report

Quoted By: >>5839715

>>5839390
>>Awaken the Dioscuri and attempt to persuade them to join you in the retrieval of Paris. Of all in the diplomatic party, they have the most experience with charioteering, smuggling, and special tasks of import. As helpful as they would be - Pollux is hot-tempered, and you are unsure how he might react to meeting with Paris face-to-face.
Will it slow us down to go and wake them and try to talk them into it? Yes. Will they accept, possibly not. But they're very, VERY good at kidnapping people. And everything else really. I doubt Pollux would beat the little bitch to death with his bare hands when he starts mouthing off. Might break his hand though.

Though I wonder what we would be grabbing him to do. Just to bring him back so he pisses Menelaus off? Try to bring justice to the dead Trojan and Padeus? Kidnap him? Murder him? Making a divide between the two greatest noble houses in Troy would be great for down the line as well as during the talks.

Nikandros, finder of men, avoider of baths.

>>5839205
Teukros truly is best boy of the age of heroes. I'm glad he's our friend. Now to just set him up with our sister or get him a throne of his own.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 22 Nov 2023 20:19:35 No.5839448 Report

Quoted By: >>5839470 >>5839715

>>5839390
>Something else I haven't thought of?
Find Pedaeus to help track down Paris.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Wed 22 Nov 2023 20:32:26 No.5839459 Report

Quoted By: >>5839715

>>5839390
>Leave immediately with Teukros - you haven't the time to share what you know with another person or engage in further conspiracy. Every second is precious! This option will provide a moderate speed bonus to your travel with Teukros.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 20:49:01 No.5839470 Report

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>>5839448
I'd be down for it if he didn't have a broken arm. But he's kind of limited in how helpful he'll be because of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 20:58:18 No.5839477 Report

Quoted By: >>5839529 >>5839715

>>5839390
>Awaken the Dioscuri and attempt to persuade them to join you in the retrieval of Paris
Wonder if Zeus being god of justice will mean Pollux also feel strongly about murder

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 21:22:26 No.5839499 Report

Quoted By: >>5839529

I'm a little worried about getting shot by Paris. So the more people we bring the better. He'll also probably have a couple of guards babysitters with his as well.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Wed 22 Nov 2023 21:47:03 No.5839529 Report

Quoted By: >>5839543 >>5839554 >>5839558 >>5839564 >>5839622

>>5839477

>Zeus, god of justice

This is true, but it’s my personal take is that Zeus’ justice is primarily focused on maintaining his personal honor and respect, maintaining the rules of Xenia, and maintaining order on Olympus. Zeus literally dgaf about murder as a general rule. He is not the Christian God.

A more relevant question is:

What happens if Pollux freaks out and tries to kill Paris?

>>5839499

>what if Paris attacks Nikandros?

I appreciate the concern for this but this probably doesn’t even crack the top 10 lethal threats to Nikandros during this excursion to Mount Ida.

>also, friendly reminder that the arms and armor of the diplomatic envoy are currently on their respective ships. Nikandros and the others are unarmed and unarmored.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:svc9J6Wd Wed 22 Nov 2023 22:02:50 No.5839543 Report

Quoted By: >>5839557

>>5839529
I don't know about that take on Zeus. The Greeks seemed to consider Zeus to uphold the "natural order" of things- hence he (or rather, some of his creations) punishes incest or kin-murder

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Wed 22 Nov 2023 22:11:35 No.5839554 Report

Quoted By: >>5839715

>>5839390
>>Awaken the Dioscuri and attempt to persuade them to join you in the retrieval of Paris. Of all in the diplomatic party, they have the most experience with charioteering, smuggling, and special tasks of import. As helpful as they would be - Pollux is hot-tempered, and you are unsure how he might react to meeting with Paris face-to-face.
Awaken friends!

>>5839393
True true

>>5839529
I know i know, they didn't allow us to have anything with us beside the dagger here in the troyan estate. Thats why we need to get to the ships too. Going on a hike without anything would be just a bad idea.
:)

Like i am dead serious. I prefer to just return to character creation than going with nothing.
You don't even need to roll, like just skip the part. We are getting back to the ships nothing else is an option.
And if there are locals that know the outside, we will ask them were we can pass the river.
Fucking hell. We will not be fast, but we will reach that place. Hopefully Paris is busy being an idiot there.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Wed 22 Nov 2023 22:12:58 No.5839557 Report

Quoted By: >>5839564

>>5839543

that’s a great counterpoint about kinslaying and incest. Fwiw, I’m using Homer more for reference than Hesiod - so Zeus’ justice is colored by his personal biases rather than Hesiod’s framing of him as being a truly neutral arbiter of justice, etc etc

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 22:13:54 No.5839558 Report

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>>5839529
>What happens if Pollux freaks out and tries to kill Paris?
Elektra wins. The gods bail out Paris' ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 22:20:24 No.5839564 Report

Quoted By: >>5839576 >>5839622

>>5839529
>probably doesn’t even crack the top 10 lethal threats to Nikandros during this excursion to Mount Ida.
I would imagine "Getting shot by the guy you're trying to drag home" would be a pretty direct and likely threat. Unlike "a giant snake slithers out of the clouds and bodyslams you". So I like to be cognizant of that sort of thing. Kinda making me not want to go at all.

>friendly reminder
I figure that as long as we get close enough to speak with him and whoever is with him, so long as it isn't one of his brothers, we could probably just grab him. Even unarmed Nikon can fold commoner guards. What are the odds the men sent on a hike with Par*s are even in full regalia and not equipped more conservatively to aid with mobility on a mountainside. And the bitchboy himself is a pushover in melee. Though I don't plan on actually fighting anyway. Just being aware of it.

The chances of us actually catching him are already stupidly slim. So I'm more concerned about padding our chances of not dying than really getting him.The moment we go by even a single stream or creek we're gonna get harassed by some stupid fucking river shit and they'll autofail us so they will get the chance to interrupt us and bar our path regardless. We can't even keep a big rock on us for self defense because it'll slow us down too much. It seems so counterproductive to chase Paris. We could be trying to shout from the rooftops that Paris has killed the Antenna boy. It would probably amount to as much.

What else are we gonna do, walk towards the prick and say "Hey you know they're about to start talking about taking Helen back to Greece?" and he'll turn right around or something? Eh.

And considering his side piece is a river nymph with a river daddy. I'd rather not be on the mountain they live on, either, when going after the pretty boy.

>>5839557
There's also Dike, Praxidike (why are they different? ARE they different? Greeks, pls kek) and Poena. They're all big on this justice thing. They might be interested in speeding us along?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 22:29:09 No.5839576 Report

Quoted By: >>5839578

>>5839564
>side piece
If I recall correctly from what I know of the Iliad said side piece is very pissed that Paris has dropped her for Helen. Who knows, maybe she help Nikon if it means getting back at the man who dumped her for another woman.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 22:32:26 No.5839578 Report

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>>5839576
I see it as either or. She's so wishy washy with her "I hate him I want him back" stuff. Maybe she wouldn't want us to nab him because she's worried we'd kill him, and she's having a "I love him" episode rather than "I want him to drown in his own blood" episode.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Wed 22 Nov 2023 23:25:47 No.5839622 Report

Quoted By: >>5839634 >>5839641 >>5839659 >>5839715

>>5839529
>HERE AT TOP TEN OLYMPUS, TODAY WE LOOK AT A YOUNG UNEDUCATED PROVINCIAL HERO FROM THESSALY, AND WHAT HE AND HIS FRIENDS COULD FIND ON THEIR UNPLEASANT HIKE ON MOUNT IDA. SHOULD HAVE PRAY TO (THUNDER STRIKE SOUND) THE THUNDERER TODAY !
>- N1 APROHODITE, GTFO OF HERE OR I WILL MAKE ALL YOUR BALLS FALL !
>- N2 RIVER DAIMON OF ULTRADEATH, GRAAARRGH NIKANDROS I WILL SLAUGHTER, DROWN YOU, MURDER YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS PUT AN HALF CUT PIECE OF BREAD WITH SOME OLIVE OIL ALL THOSE YEARS AGO ON OUR ALTARS, INSTEAD OF MAKING AN OATH AGAINST US HAS A KID !!!! DIE!
>- N3 GIANT DRAGON, GRAAGRH MEN FLESH GRRAAARG!
>- N4 CHIMERA, GRAAGRH MEN FLESH GRRAAARG!
>- N5 GIANT SNAKE, GRAAGRH MEN FLESH GRRAAARG!
>- N6 FLESH EATING SUPER HORSES, GRAAGRH MEN FLESH GRRAAARG!
>- N7 HARPIES, GRAAGRH MEN FLESH GRRAAARG!
>- N8 CENTAURS, GRAAGRH MEN FLESH GRRAAARG!
>- N9 PACK OF ARES WOLVES, GRAAGRH MEN FLESH GRRAAARG!
>- N10 PARIS AND HIS GUARDS, OH SHIT ?!? WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ?! DAD BROTHER MOM HELP MEEEEEEE ! please dont kill us we are just his guards !

>>5839564
Its not likely we can just close to him without a fight. The whole problem comes after i guess we probably need to present that he was hiding, to everyone and that he killed someone.
I fear that part a bit.
I almost dont want to know of all of this, because paying people for spread rumors for pin Odysseus in a wave of womens while having Memelaus becoming enraged at how everyone in the city hears rumors of him being a fat dumb smelly pig, would have been far safer.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 22 Nov 2023 23:32:52 No.5839633 Report

Quoted By: >>5839641 >>5839659

If we come back from this, this will be the second time we find and return a prince in hiding. We might make a profession out of this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 23:33:48 No.5839634 Report

Quoted By: >>5839641 >>5839659

Rolled 6 (1d10)

>>5839622
The more I consider it the more of a baller Nira seems by her being able to resist the will of greater divinity and contest a lesser divinity in combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Wed 22 Nov 2023 23:38:44 No.5839641 Report

Quoted By: >>5839659

>>5839622
I don't think getting close is a problem if we do find him. Being as we are unarmed. Sure we're big and scary but we're also just walking up and waving at him to slow the fuck down. The problem is if he starts to be a bitch about it. He may send a guard forward to talk to us instead of him directly. Or stop in comfortable "loud talking" range rather than inside voice range.

The main issue is how we want to approach it. We could probably easily get him back by telling him they've come for Helen. But then we aren't grabbing him and bringing him back to tell everyone he killed Antheus and we have a witness. So we get to pick between sabotaging the talks with Paris' sheer retardation or going the hard route and citizen arresting him to put a huge amount of strain between Antenor and Priam and probably adding to chaos for the negotiations because him just being there is liable to piss Menelaus off.

>>5839633
Maybe we'll get a new epithet for it. Once is luck. Twice is a little more. The more names we get the cooler we are. SETTRA, KING OF KINGS, HIGH KING OF NEHEKHARA, KHEMRIKHARA, LORD OF THE EARTH, MONARCH OF THE SKY... you get the idea.

>>5839634
Well, the horses aren't so bad. They tend to move in straight lines at least. Easier to throw rocks at.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 22 Nov 2023 23:41:44 No.5839642 Report

Quoted By: >>5839659 >>5839713

Actually, I now wonder whether everyone looked at us when we said we found a prince in Hellas because they had heard of Achilles, or if they knew of Paris and thought we would find him as well. Or maybe even both?

Although it would be funny if we came back and tried to pass this off as something innocent. "King Priam, I heard a rumor that Prince Paris was missing from the court, so I immediately decided to investigate to return him to his home in utmost haste. And as a diplomatic gift, I grant this service to you free of charge!"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aXQipwjy Thu 23 Nov 2023 00:11:41 No.5839659 Report

Quoted By: >>5839670

>>5839622
>RARE CRIT ENCOUNTERS
>- FISH BITCH DAIMON, ANOTHER HIPPODEMON?!? *PROCEEDS TO CHAOTICALLY MOVE AROUND, THEN GETS ***** AGAIN BY HER FATHER*
>- HOT TWINS IN YOUR AREA, NIKANDROS TAKE RESPONSABILITY ! AND DIE TOO !
>- SOMEWHAT FRIENDLY AND HOT DAIMON GIRL, Helloh Thessalian ~~ !
>- TALKING ROCK, ROCK NOISES.

>>5839634
Yeah she is pretty metal.
Well horses aren't too difficult, still strong to kill and no easy foe. Imagine taming one....

>>5839641
Maybe
Well he is a big bitch, and we need Menelaus super angry.

>>5839633
>>5839642
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 00:20:09 No.5839670 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839659
>Well he is a big bitch, and we need Menelaus super angry.

>tfw whether we find paris or not we can tell menelaus that paris went up to mt ida to hide like a pussy and priam knows it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Thu 23 Nov 2023 01:14:40 No.5839713 Report

Quoted By: >>5839716

One possibly surefire way to goad Paris into returning is informing him that they are absolutely stealing his Helen behind his back. And negotiations to do just that are happening Right Now, while he's gallivanting off on this hunting trip. Then he rolls back, full of fire and vitriol, and arrives in time to hard commit the Trojans to a position that prevents that at all cost.

>>5839366
It's cold, but it is unlikely that Pedaeus's testimony really matters very much. Paris killing someone else in a chariot contest and it all being swept under the rug is all internal Trojan stuff, which our Hellenes wouldn't care about.

You could try to frame it as proof that this kingdom is unable to properly uphold justice? But, again, this is not our city, not our laws.

>>5839395
Fucking Franz Ferdinand'ing Paris might actually defuse tensions, as Odysseus would throw us out as a scapegoat, and then they'd trade Helen back for gift-wrapping the murderer of Paris, and everyone would still be super angry.
But we'd be super super dead. Probably.

>>5839642
My job? Hunting lost Princes. I have a very particular set of skills.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 01:21:47 No.5839715 Report

Quoted By:

Ride away with lil T pronto

>>5839393
>>5839459

Call in Team Zeus

>>5839394
>>5839395
>>5839396
>>5839397
>>5839400
>>5839427
>>5839477
>>5839554

Get the bastard to guide you
>>5839448

---

Top kek

>>5839622

---

Whew, okay - it's clear that Nikon is calling on the Dioscuri here. I'm going to say "update tomorrow at 8am EST" but there's a very small chance that I get it out before midnight tonight.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 01:23:24 No.5839716 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839713
>Paris killing someone else in a chariot contest and it all being swept under the rug is all internal Trojan stuff, which our Hellenes wouldn't care about.
True, but when they are trying to negotiate with said Hellenes to get them to fuck off without much issue, it really helps when they aren't calling them unjust curs who would likely fuck them over unfairly if they don't even honor their own families properly and have no self respect.

How do you make a good deal with someone if you're willing to let your family die in a culture that does strongly respect familial ties for the most part? While it isn't quite as much of a smoking gun as it could be, it still gives bad optics.

Though it is more than likely a pipe dream. Sorry, Padaeus. Shame he seems a decent sort.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 02:10:17 No.5839741 Report

Quoted By: >>5839746

It occurs to me that the only nobles present in our delegation without a brother are Odysseus and Nikon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 02:16:46 No.5839746 Report

Quoted By: >>5839764

>>5839741
Well Odysseus does have a sister, Ctimene.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 02:37:08 No.5839757 Report

Quoted By: >>5839764 >>5839779 >>5845415

Rolled 17, 8 - 4 = 21 (2d20 - 4)

Don’t mind me, just rolling for kicks.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 02:43:58 No.5839764 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839746
That is why I said brother specifically, kek. So does Nikon. They're almost like foils. Odysseus is a glory seeking dickhead. A liar and a knave. Born to be a king. Nikon is a glory seeker as well, but an honest man and decent person. Born as low as he could have while still being a noble.

Quite fascinating.

>>5839757

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Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:08:45 No.5839779 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839757

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:24:06 No.5839784 Report

Quoted By: >>5839885

Teukros awaits your word with excitement, and some part of you cries out that you throw away caution and speed off to Mount Ida with all haste - that you and Teukros alone share the victory of locating Paris, and if Zeus wills it, returning him to Ilion. You have confidence that Paris’ presence at the council will be disruptive, and that serves your purposes well enough - although truthfully, you’re not sure that you’ve worked out all of the likely consequences of his return.

You open your mouth to exhort speed to Teukros, to exclaim that you will charging south of Ilion together on a chariot…

But you can’t.

The matter is so much larger than yourself - to approach Paris, prince of Troy, with only Teukros as your companion… It is shameful, but your will fails you. You are an unknown Hellene, and Teukros is cousin to Paris, it is true - but when Paris believe it, having never met Teukros before? Would he even care about the familial relationship if he does? You know nothing of the man personally, and the uncertainty drains your enthusiasm.

You sigh aloud, searching the ceiling of the palace halls for answers, in the pre-dawn gloom.

You need the Dioscuri.

Of the Achaeans present, they have met with Paris - he will recognize them. Of all the Achaeans present, they have expertise in charioteering, horsemanship, and kidnapping. Their skills are needed here. Of course, of all Achaeans present, you also presume they are most motivated to return Helen to Sparta, between their address last night and your previous conversations with Helen. Ultimately, you’re unsure how they will react upon potentially meeting Paris - you haven’t asked Pollux his thoughts on Paris’ deeds directly.

At any rate, you have restrained Pollux twice before - once through sheer physical force and dumb luck, and the other through winged words. It occurs to you that if Pollux murders Paris on the slopes of Ida, it would almost certainly lead to your own death as well.

It is a risk that you will have to take.

You explain to Teukros your decision and he is clearly uncertain that you are making the correct choice.

“But Nikandros - can you be certain that Pollux will not kill him?! We will be hunted to the ends of the earth if we are party to his slaying…”

You are sympathetic to his concerns, but you have another motivation - you owe Pollux the truth, for he has become a friend to you as well. You explain that your decision is final, and Teukros is swept along by your force of will. Locating the chambers of the Dioscuri is simpler - beyond his fame, Pollux’s fair hair and gold-flecked eyes are quite notable in Ilion, and the first servant you flag down is able to quickly bring you to the Dioscurian chambers.

Once inside, you are apologizing to Castor and Pollux for the disruption. Their room is extravagantly furnished - two beds, pillows, a long couch, and a small table are present.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:28:05 No.5839791 Report

Quoted By: >>5839795 >>5839799 >>5839800 >>5839805 >>5839808 >>5839815 >>5839908 >>5839951 >>5840059

Interestingly, the room smells faintly of burning herb and spice - a small pot smokes on the table.

“Speak, Thessalian, speak!” Pollux cries in mock irritation as he gets dressed in cloak and chiton, pretending that your presence is intolerable. Castor has already risen - he is engaged in a series of morning stretches, seated before the smoking pot.

There’s no artistry in your revelation - you simply state the truth:

“Paris is on Mount Ida, or on the way there.”

Pollux’s frivolity vanishes. Hard focus lights his eyes, and his face draws tight - for the first time since your meeting by the walls of the Royal Palace of Mycenae, his presence deeply unsettles you.

“Speak, Thessalian, and quickly,” Pollux states, sitting on the couch. This time, it is an order, delivered with the absolute certainty of his father.

—-

Once your recitation of the tale of Pedaeus is complete, Pollux does not hesitate -

“I will sprint to the docks to retrieve Arion. Nikandros, Castor, Teukros - go to the stables with all haste, and demand two chariots. Meet me outside the Scaean Gates.” And with that, he is gone - sprinting out of the room.

You realize your error, as you run after Teukros and Castor in the halls. By informing Pollux, you are no longer in control. You are now part of Pollux’s mission to retrieve Paris - not the other way around.

The stable master of Antenor is a fat commoner man - with his carefully oiled beard and fine garb, he strikes you as a competent manager… who is completely unprepared for three noble guests storming his facility, demanding chariots and horses as soon as possible. By the time you’ve ridden your four-horsed chariot (alongside Teukros, of course) to the Scaean Gates, you’re amazed to see Pollux riding atop his immortal horse, Arion, from the docks - he’s covered the distance shockingly fast.

Castor is quick to react - he is already untying his lead horse from his chariot, and without delay, is replacing the dun with the huge black stallion. As he does so, saffron-robed Eos begins her stately ascent in the east. Pollux winks as he unstraps two heavy bundles, wrapped by wool blankets, from Arion’s back - one, he tosses to you, and the other is stashed within the other chariot.

You feel within the bundle - Salaminian ash spears - of course!

“Now, we are at least armed,” Pollux states calmly. “We are already late! Let us be off!”

>okay anons, give me a dice+1d20+4 to see how quickly the boys can navigate south to Ida.

>Also, which twin will Nikandros ride with? This vote will close at 8am EST.

>Castor

>Pollux

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:29:33 No.5839795 Report

Quoted By: >>5840059 >>5845415

Rolled 5 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5839791
>Pollux
If we are to restrain him we got to be next to him.
Rolling, Nike grant Nikon speed!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3jcqGWYt Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:30:34 No.5839799 Report

Quoted By: >>5839814

Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>5839791
>Pollux
Need to convince him not to just murder Paris on the spot

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:31:22 No.5839800 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 14 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5839791
>>Pollux
I wouldn't want him to fling Teukros off in his haste.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:41:35 No.5839805 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839791
>Pollux
You can beat him up, but please no killing.
Odysseus the faggot would definitely have us executed. Pollux and Castor might get away with it, but we wouldn't.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:46:28 No.5839808 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839791
>pollux
The other two can yeet arrows and we can charge.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:51:31 No.5839814 Report

Quoted By: >>5839832

>>5839799
Just have to explain to him that killing Paris would guarantee a war, which would complicate rescuing Helen. Not that it wouldn't happen, but that it would just make it a bit harder and take longer. Hopefully we don't have to choke him out again. At least we have Castor there to give us first aid if Pollux breaks our face.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Thu 23 Nov 2023 03:51:37 No.5839815 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839791
>Pollux

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 04:20:11 No.5839832 Report

Quoted By: >>5839838

>>5839814
>"I have a sister too, and for that I ask you to think Pollux, think. Give him pain for a minute at most, and risk her life forever? There will be others ways to hurt him, but if you do kill him there will be many ways that the family of this worthless animal could hurt her too."
>"Lets to use him to weaken the Troyan case, and give us a chance to get more that the most shameful deal of hellas's history."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 04:31:12 No.5839838 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839832
Good ol fashioned short term kill vs long term torture with a fresh squeeze of logic. Nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Thu 23 Nov 2023 05:30:31 No.5839885 Report

Quoted By: >>5839890 >>5839893 >>5839897

>>5839784
>between their address last night and your previous conversations with Helen.
Eh? We've yet to meet Helen face-to-face, have we?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 05:34:36 No.5839890 Report

Quoted By: >>5839893 >>5839938

>>5839885
MAXIMUM SEER HAS BLESSED US WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF ANOTHER TIMELINE

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Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 05:39:57 No.5839893 Report

Quoted By: >>5839938

>>5839885
>>5839890

>This is part of the his Plan

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 05:41:30 No.5839897 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839885

Derp, should read as

>and your previous conversation with Castor

This is what I get for composing and posting the update by phone

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Thu 23 Nov 2023 05:54:22 No.5839908 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 8 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5839791
>Castor

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 05:59:09 No.5839914 Report

Quoted By: >>5839932 >>5840059

Rolled 20 (1d20)

Lets keep rolling

For Athos!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 06:23:13 No.5839932 Report

Quoted By: >>5839948

>>5839914
Athos blesses you. May your boulders be heavy and your arms strong enough to hurl them. kek

This did remind me though, I still have no idea who rolls a 2d20 at -4. That's a huge debuff. I can only imagine it's Paris and co.'s travel roll with a penalty for being leisurely, but why would it be a best of 2 for a travel roll, right? So my next best guess is Padaeus rolled for hangover. And my next next best guess is Palamedes rolling stealth to find a library but he ate too many onions and he smells bad. My curiosity will always be my undoing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Thu 23 Nov 2023 06:35:58 No.5839938 Report

Quoted By: >>5839945 >>5840059

>>5839890
>>5839893
>In another Quest, in another timeline, Nikandros was born on the Trojan side.
>The poor bastard.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 06:53:13 No.5839945 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839938
Trojandros truly is the most cursed existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Thu 23 Nov 2023 06:56:37 No.5839948 Report

Quoted By: >>5839953

>>5839932
Well, Paris was a shepherd for a while, I think? Might be the wrong myth I'm thinking of. That would suggest some skill. Could be local terrain knowledge or some deity helping him along, also.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2VNvvsU4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 07:00:33 No.5839951 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839791
>>Pollux

“Now, we are at least armed,” Pollux states calmly. “We are already late! Let us be off!”
Pollux is just like Albus, we just needed him to shake people (with calm of course)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 07:05:15 No.5839953 Report

Quoted By:

>>5839948
I had thought about that, local familiarity. But at the same time, wouldn't that have meant Nikon would be able to benefit from Odysseus' insane sailing skills and breadth of knowledge on foreign shores and stuff? Or Ajax's also extreme talent as a mariner and sailor? I could be overthinking it of course. And Paris really does just get an extra die because he knows the place well, or Aphrodite is sucking him off and giving him a boost or something. I dunno. I'm sure we'll find out later. Not that it would help us catch him if he did get an extra roll since we'd still only get one die, and it's a 13 v 9 anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Thu 23 Nov 2023 11:42:34 No.5840059 Report

Quoted By: >>5840065

>>5839795
>>5839791
i won't mind if we don't reach Paris immediately, more time for Pollux to cool instead of punching heads off.
>>5839938
probably a feeble nerd who's friend with Paris and Helen and beloved by rivers

>>5839914
and what about Porthos and Aramis?

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Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 12:09:22 No.5840065 Report

Quoted By: >>5840067

>>5840059
Who? Is that some new TWQ lore from the Nira Quest?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 12:13:08 No.5840067 Report

Quoted By: >>5840107

>>5840065

He's making a Three Musketeers reference, anon.

:)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 13:20:02 No.5840107 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840067
All the greek words broke my brain man

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 13:47:31 No.5840119 Report

Quoted By: >>5840122

Updates may be somewhat delayed today, given that it's American Thanksgiving! Enjoy time with your families, American-anons. I'll likely get a morning update out before 12pm though.

Additionally, it seems most fair to me to let Tyche determine Pollux's emotional state, rather than determining this by QM fiat alone.

I need ONE roll of dice+1d20. This is for Pollux's composure - Pollux needs to roll under a 16 (his WILL stat) to keep his cool. Lower is calmer.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Thu 23 Nov 2023 13:50:46 No.5840122 Report

Quoted By: >>5840124

Rolled 14 (1d20)

>>5840119
Happy Thanksgiving to the Yankees in the thread!

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 13:52:28 No.5840124 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840122

Gracias, anon - Pollux is fucking simmering but barely managing to restrain his menis…

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 14:53:41 No.5840160 Report

Quoted By: >>5840162 >>5840170 >>5840209 >>5840220 >>5840232

Rolled 20 (1d20)

How mad is Castor?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 14:56:59 No.5840162 Report

Quoted By: >>5840168 >>5840209

>>5840160
Lol

>Face to face with paris
>"Look at me Pollux, stay calm for now"
>"Agh! Alright! But later I will-"
>A arrow one-shot paris

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Thu 23 Nov 2023 15:08:59 No.5840168 Report

Quoted By: >>5840209

>>5840162
>Nikon & Teukros: Horror
>Pollux: Beaming pride

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 15:15:06 No.5840170 Report

Quoted By: >>5840209

>>5840160
I feel this is canon now.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Thu 23 Nov 2023 16:21:19 No.5840209 Report

Quoted By: >>5840281

>>5840160
>>5840162
>>5840168
>>5840170
Fuckin ultimate kek. We're all worried about pollux. Expect castor to be the ever constant voice of reason. Little did we know castor is the one with the sister complex.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:/NwrS4tC Thu 23 Nov 2023 16:45:12 No.5840220 Report

Quoted By: >>5840232 >>5840239

>>5840160

I feel like I have to respect this roll now…

Update has been delayed due to being roped into holiday preparations, new ETA is 3pm EST

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 16:55:19 No.5840232 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840160
>>5840220
Castor right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 17:04:01 No.5840239 Report

Quoted By: >>5840281

>>5840220
I feel that if we calm Castor down we may gain that trait we are working on.

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Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 18:01:51 No.5840281 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 7 (1d20)

>You are not worthy of my onee-san!

>>5840239
>>5840209

If we calm down these 30+ years of repressed rage, dealing with gods will be a piece of Nike's blessed cake.

Rolling for victory and the rock-spirit of calm

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 19:33:11 No.5840350 Report

Quoted By:

The teams having been bound properly to borrowed Trojan chariots, and with the first glimmers of dawn in the sky, Pollux nods at you, saying only - “With me, Thessalian. I’ll hold the reins, and you hold the spears.” His face is taut with anger, and you dare not offer anything but a quick nod of understanding.

The dirt roads are wide and orderly , and there’s little foot traffic amongst the arteries of sacred Ilion in the early morning, as your two teams set off to the south.

But something is amiss.

The horses begin to flag almost immediately – as if they had already been running all day. Within a few minutes, Pollux turns to you –

“A divinity works against us, Nikandros – see how Arion is undaunted as the lead horse, but the others balk? Their energy is waning despite the early hour, and even Arion, a king amongst horses, cannot make them eager to fly again.”

“What can be done?” you ask, speaking loudly to be heard over the spinning wheels and thundering hooves.

“Nothing,” he replies, twisting his mouth. “But I suspect that one of the Olympians contrives to slow our progress, and perhaps also hasten Paris’ journey to Mount Ida as well. We may not reach him before sunset. I need your eyes, Nikandros – scan the countryside at all times for daimons and divinities. We are being watched.” You take Pollux’s counsel about antagonistic divinities seriously, but no matter what direction you peer in, you see nothing unusual.
There has been a change in him, since you delivered the news about Paris’ location. Gone is the cheerful man of action; the smiling pugilist. Now in his place, a man of grim determination, resolve, simmering fury – the Argonaut and son of Zeus who has only barely mastered his anger. He has been undaunted by the petty dangers of your travel from Hellas to Ilion, and become a friend to you as well – but for the first time since you’ve met him, he appears to be fully alert, on edge, uneasy.

As the morning develops, cart, chariot and foot traffic along the paths increases as local Trojans rise and begin their days of labor; you are interested to see so many people, so many varied modes of dress and hairstyle… The peoples of the Troad are quite different than the ones of rural Thessaly, and there is no small amount of foreigners either - ebony-skinned men of Aegyptos, their hides charred many decades ago by Phaëthon’s mishandling of his father’s chariot; pale men with forked beards, sweating under hides and leathers, their necks adorned with golden torcs; Phyrigians of the East with pointed faces and haughty eyes… You see more men from far beyond the Aegean in an hour than you have seen previously in your life.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 19:42:00 No.5840355 Report

Quoted By: >>5840364 >>5840367 >>5840372 >>5840400 >>5840401 >>5840527 >>5840639 >>5840647 >>5840653 >>5840705 >>5840743 >>5840793 >>5845415

Pollux’s analysis proves correct – the horses, heaving with unnatural exhaustion, forces four rests before noon. You note that even Castor and Teukros are slothful – they can barely keep their eyes open, and fall into brief slumbers during the rests. Pollux, yourself, and the black stallion Arion are unaffected – your respective divine blessings providing protection. During the rests, you must shake Teukros firmly to rouse him from slumber, and Castor is hardly better off, sleepwalking to and from his chariot.

You make halting progress along the roads south of Ilion, and Mount Ida grows larger against the southern sky. Pollux’s frustration grows, and you are burning with desperation - what is Pollux planning? He has said nothing of his goals, emitting rolling waves of force besides you in the chariot. You finally inquire, and he speaks:

“Nikandros, we rectify this state of affairs tonight. Paris will brought back to our ships tonight. In the morning, we sail to Tenedos, and find a hidden cove. Menelaus and Odysseus will negotiate for the release of Helen in exchange for Paris’ return, recompense for Menelaus, and a hefty fee. We put an end to this sorry episode within a week’s time and return to Sparta before autumn.”

You are crushed - if Pollux is successful, your compact with Electra is void. Worse, your dreams of glory evaporate, and you are consigned to obscurity. You would return to your estates in Thessaly with little to show for your journey; your achievement on Skyros forgotten within a few years. Panic sets in - you must do something!

>Nikandros has a chance to persuade Pollux to change his plans, if he so chooses. Nikandros does have a bond of friendship with Pollux, and so these bonuses will apply to any persuasion attempt. PLEASE NOTE: Attempting to persuade Pollux during this high-tension moment and failing may result in SIGNIFICANT reputational penalties with him.

>Master yourself, and say nothing. Attempting to influence him now can only damage your relationship with the son of Zeus. Better to help Paris escape at the right moment…

>Attempt to persuade Pollux to notify Paris of the upcoming diplomatic council only, and escort Paris back to Ilion. You presume that Paris is unaware of the arrival of the Achaeans; explain to Pollux that the man has the right to stand before the council, explain his actions, and speak his mind. This is a high-risk attempt - from Pollux’s perspective, you would be defending Paris’ actions.

>Attempt to persuade Pollux to kidnap Paris, and then use him to enter the Royal Palace. Once inside, you will seek out Helen herself and hear from Pollux’s sister about her desires, and her side of the story. This suggestion is daring - if successful, the infiltration will no doubt become famous. However, it is extraordinarily dangerous - although that may appeal to Pollux. This would be a moderately-difficult social attempt.

>Something else that I haven’t thought of?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 19:43:00 No.5840357 Report

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This vote will close at 10pm EST.

Consider carefully - gods and daimons watch closely from their respective viewpoints.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 19:50:06 No.5840362 Report

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I know Nikon has been lucky in reaching this point, but somehow I get the feeling that the gods will interfere no mater what Nikon does.

Perhaps we can frame an attempt to bring Paris to justice on behalf of Pedaeus someone shamed for trying to speak the truth about a kinslayer? I don't know how much being a son of Zeus, god of justice, will work tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:bfnKgtxA Thu 23 Nov 2023 19:50:44 No.5840364 Report

Quoted By: >>5840775

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 19:51:56 No.5840367 Report

Quoted By: >>5840376 >>5840391 >>5840400 >>5840504 >>5840647 >>5840775 >>5840801

>>5840355
Safe to say that we are probably almost as smart if not smarter than Pollux despite the age gap. I say acting in our role of "good counsel" we remind Pollux that the gods' eyes are upon us and it is unlikely such an attempt to even be successful.

>Speak calmly to Pollux and inform him of the prophecy at play. We have waited long enough and this is an opportunity to let him know with no one around to overhear. Inform him that his acting rashly now could be a part of fulfilling that prophesy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Thu 23 Nov 2023 19:53:08 No.5840372 Report

Quoted By: >>5840398 >>5840400 >>5840401 >>5840504 >>5840647 >>5840655 >>5840775

>>5840355
>Attempt to persuade Pollux to kidnap Paris, and then use him to enter the Royal Palace. Once inside, you will seek out Helen herself and hear from Pollux’s sister about her desires, and her side of the story. This suggestion is daring - if successful, the infiltration will no doubt become famous. However, it is extraordinarily dangerous - although that may appeal to Pollux. This would be a moderately-difficult social attempt.
>"I also have with me a Nepenthe potion, a mind clearing potion gifted to me by my sister. I always intended to gift it to Castor so you two could apply it to Helen in case Paris found the service of being that could have bewitched her mind."

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 19:54:55 No.5840376 Report

Quoted By: >>5840391

>>5840367
He is on the verge here. All we have to do is redirect his barely contained-anger. We can also disrupt his flow by saying something is not prepared for.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 20:11:02 No.5840391 Report

Quoted By: >>5840395

>>5840367
>>5840376

Anon, could you clarify further? You want to cite the prophecy that Nikandros heard in Delos, but to do what? Convince Pollux to turn around? Convince him to bring Paris back? Or simply to calm him down as much as possible so that he is calm when he meets Paris?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 20:16:31 No.5840395 Report

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>>5840391
My idea was to advise him that we have to do this by the book. Brink Paris back to the city to answer for his crimes, that the gods will not allow us to kidnap Paris, and that trying to could play into the prophecy's plans.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 20:20:14 No.5840398 Report

Quoted By: >>5840775

>>5840372
+1, might as well go for the big leagues.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 20:21:26 No.5840400 Report

Quoted By: >>5840401 >>5840404 >>5840775

>>5840355
>You are crushed - if Pollux is successful, your compact with Electra is void.

Ehh... No? Electra wanted to uphold the honor of her family, not just war. If we can't get Hellen and the money in a deal than yeah, war.

>>5840367
Support

>>5840372
Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 20:27:23 No.5840401 Report

Quoted By: >>5840425 >>5840775

>>5840355
>>Attempt to persuade Pollux to kidnap Paris, and then use him to enter the Royal Palace. Once inside, you will seek out Helen herself and hear from Pollux’s sister about her desires, and her side of the story. This suggestion is daring - if successful, the infiltration will no doubt become famous. However, it is extraordinarily dangerous - although that may appeal to Pollux. This would be a moderately-difficult social attempt.
As much as this is disheartening, if we have Paris and Helen, we can bring her back and just kill him. Murdering Paris is for sure going to cause a war, however instead of the Achaeans being on the offensive they will be on the defense. Even better we can just hand him off to Menelaus after we get Helen so that HE is the one who gets the ire of his murder, and he'll like us a whole lot more and the armies of the Trojans and their allies will sail to Lacadaemon instead of to Thessaly and the Oath will kick in to keep Helen protected so this whole shebang will happen in the weirdest backwards way so the gods are hopefully still appeased with their hero-butchering war. And Padaeus gets a little justice on the side. Everyone wins. Except no one wins and we'd still have to not die doing all this shit. This whole thing is a pain. But I suppose it always was gonna be.

Oh and throw in the >>5840372
Nepenthe part. Might as well.

>>5840400
Part of the deal with Electra was Paris, dead. If we used Paris as a bargaining chip he would be returned as a hostage afterwards. Unless you want to break the terms and oath that will undoubtedly be sworn upon the gods by Menelaus and Priam.

I don't want to go into the Palace, we will probably die there. I'm kinda hoping we fail to persuade Pollux.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 20:31:10 No.5840404 Report

Quoted By: >>5840425 >>5840433

>>5840400

Here’s a copy paste from the thread 1 Electra encounter of the quest, anon:

“My uncle is a softhearted man. The Trojan prince stole his wife and a great deal of treasure from his stronghold in Sparta. By rights we ought to be given the prince’s head, the treasure plus damages, and my aunt back. But knowing uncle, he may well be willing to accept only his lady Helen in order to avoid the strain of knowing that the deaths of untold thousands lay entirely on his head. It would be a perversion of justice, an unacceptable stain on our honor to leave such damages unpunished.”

You think as she ceases speaking for a moment to retrieve her jar and incense. Such an agreement would also be an unfathomable display of weakness from the Peloponnesian lords- whatever Menelaus’s reasons are, to lords foreign and domestic it will appear that they were too weak to take their price of the Trojans in full. The appearance of weakness in an army can be almost more dangerous than the reality of it.

“You want me to make sure no such deal is made.” She nods her affirmation. She wants you to be her inside man on the mission.

“Consider it mutual self-interest. A man like you- clever and strong- would have infinitely more opportunities to gain renown, connections, and wealth at war than at peace. My house would suffer greatly from an ill-formed peace, while we could gain much by conquest. That our interests align with justice itself makes it all the better.” It is an exceptional thing that a little girl speaks in such terms. Perhaps being raised with the obligations of an heiress to a kingdom hanging over one’s head like a sword will do that.

“Lady Electra, why should I accept such a deal? Why swear myself against peace in your name, even as I swear to your uncle that I pursue it in earnest?” The idea of it rankles you. It would be a deception the likes of which you are unused to performing. Not to mention the potential dangers of such an undertaking.

“I will make it worth your while lord Nikandros. While most women have little power, by virtue of my birth I have much of it. My father trusts my advice in counsel, particularly concerning social matters- surely you have goals which the House of Atreus could help you fulfill?”

—-

Electra isnt asking Nikandros to organize proper recompense from Ilion, she is explicitly asking for Nikon to organize armed conflict with Ilion.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 20:53:11 No.5840425 Report

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>>5840404
>>5840401
Thenks I come back from reread and find it again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:01:16 No.5840433 Report

Quoted By: >>5840441

>>5840404
I'm going to pretend I haven't been wrong this whole time, and gaslight anyone who says otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:07:47 No.5840439 Report

Quoted By: >>5840449 >>5840452

I'm a bit confused about the timeline, but has Pollux invaded the Palace before with Heracles, or was the palace built after that?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:09:28 No.5840441 Report

Quoted By: >>5840449

>>5840433

In fairness, here’s the second part of that same encounter:

“Lady Electra, I will not do anything underhanded in order to overtly sabotage the mission. I trust you are alright with that?”

“My lord, short of killing my uncle I don’t care what you do. Only make sure that an unacceptable peace does not come to pass, and I will be satisfied.” Such callousness! With her intellect she will be a fearsome opponent for her husband’s enemies.

“And how would you define an ‘unacceptable peace’?”

“The only kind of peace possible to be arranged, anything less than what the justice of Zeus Xenios demands: peace in exchange for the treasure, the Trojan, and Helen delivered into our hands.” Understandable. Now to talk terms.

—-

So I don’t think you’re totally misremembering here. Presumably, Electra would be happy if Menelaus comes home with full monetary recompense, Helen and also Paris’ head, but that’s not actually what she contracted with Nikon for.

Anyways, Nikon also now knows that Odysseus is a dove and has basically ruled out an aggressive diplomatic posture by Menelaus.

If we had built a knock-off Odysseus in char-gen, obviously we could have gone word-against-word with Odysseus, but Nikandros (and you players) is/are smart enough to know that he cannot overcome Odysseus’ counsel through legitimate means at this point in time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:15:27 No.5840449 Report

Quoted By: >>5840455

>>5840441
Ah, I will pretend I haven't realized that I am technically wrong momentarily and gaslight anyone who says otherwise. This never happened. kek. Why are little princesses so damn hard to work with? Brats.

>>5840439
I don't think Pollux raided the palace of Troy. Heracles did when some guy refused to pay him for monster slaying. But Castor and Pollux did raid Attica and invade the palace there to get Helen back before. So surely this isn't that different?

This attack from Heracles is how Priam came to be king, and Telamon got a waifu to birth Teukros.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:19:13 No.5840452 Report

Quoted By: >>5840455

>>5840439

I’m not a classicist obviously but here’s my headcanon:

- Pollux HAS been to Ilion before, but after his journey on the Argo. Nikandros doesn’t know precisely when or where, but the Argo episode happened decades ago when Pollux was a young man.

- Heracles was also an Argonaut, but sacked Ilion as part of a seperate expedition with Telamon, Oicles, and others. After the sack of the city, the divinely-constructed walls of Ilion are installed.

-Basically, Nikandros can expect that Pollux and Castor have visited Priam’s palace before, but they aren’t viewed as “sackers” of the city.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:23:25 No.5840455 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840449
>This happened
>>5840452
>Pollux and Castor have visited Priam’s palace before
That's good to know, in case Nikon does persuade Pollux and captures Paris, knowing the layout could mesh well with tactical genius, as in predicting how to avoid guards and reach Helen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:23:56 No.5840456 Report

Quoted By: >>5840460 >>5840462 >>5840493

I'm regretting bring those two along. Even if we enter the palace and get out alive, how are we starting a war?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:27:35 No.5840460 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840456
When something goes horribly wrong they will be a good distraction, battle buddy, and person to blame. Had we gone by ourselves we may not have even detected the gods (plural) present.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:31:03 No.5840462 Report

Quoted By: >>5840466 >>5840469

>>5840456
>how are we starting a war?
By killing a bunch of guards and forcing the diplomatic party to flee or be detained/killed by the Trojans when we inevitably fuck this whole thing up.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:34:45 No.5840466 Report

Quoted By: >>5840476

>>5840462
Our party consists of a combat-obsessed son of Zeus, a bastard, a medic barely holding back his rage, and us. Paris probably has a higher charisma bonus than all of them put together do to either being favored if not chosen by Aphrodite. Do you honestly believe this will not end in violence?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:38:27 No.5840469 Report

Quoted By: >>5840473 >>5840476

>>5840462

I have to admit that that this is a very exciting turn of events for me, I was NOT predicting that N&T would actually find out that Paris was in hiding (I personally estimated 10% chance) and then subsequently inform the Dioscuri (1% combined probability?).

Basically, even I don’t know wtf is going to happen here

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:42:41 No.5840473 Report

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>>5840469
The unexpectedness of this almost mirrors the Achilles situation. I wonder if Nikon is getting a sense of déjà vu.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:44:09 No.5840476 Report

Quoted By: >>5840478 >>5840480 >>5840484

>>5840466
I fully expect this to go wrong. But if it does, there are a few ways it can play out. If Paris alerts the guards before we make it in, he's dead, neck snapped. We run before we get surrounded and everyone scatters. I can see it now. Or we do get caught, Pollux goes full bro and says he conscripted Nikon to find Paris thanks to our prince finding rep. Ajax is able to rescue Teukros through a combination of threats and ransom. And the Dioscuri naturally are let off the hook because Zeus is dad and they were simply trying to rescue their sister but more because Zeus is dad.

My only worry is running into Hector or a handful of the lesser princes. We'd get the shit mogged out of us by either a superior man or a numbers game.

>>5840469
Truly we are all flying by the seats of our pants. It's funny cause I'd really rather just go home at this point, and yet here I am voting to do the dumbest shit. We'll have to make sure to tell Teukros he can marry our sister if we die. There is so much that needs to be done though, so surely we can't die yet. Surely. The gods have to have other plans.

Which does beg the question, how are the gods reacting to this shitshow?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MecNcuI7 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:45:56 No.5840478 Report

Quoted By: >>5840490

>>5840476
>Implying Aphrodite won't teleport Paris away if he's in mortal danger

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:48:17 No.5840480 Report

Quoted By: >>5840490

>>5840476
>how are the gods reacting to this shitshow?
Laughing probably. I wonder how Nike is doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Thu 23 Nov 2023 21:52:48 No.5840484 Report

Quoted By: >>5840490

>>5840476
>Which does beg the question, how are the gods reacting to this shitshow?
Exactly like us, no idea what the fuck is going on.
The anti-war camp is probably seething, trying to stop us and blaming others for helping us to get info.
The pro-war are smugly cheering our group on and trying to counter the anti-war group's influence.
Tyche, the true culprit, is laughing her ass off together with Eris. Nike is confused because she is actually agreeing with both of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:01:16 No.5840490 Report

Quoted By: >>5840494

>>5840478
Can't do that if we're actively holding him. She can't teleport things, just grab them and fly away. Thankfully the gods cannot into real teleportation. She won't be fast enough to stop our large, rough, strong, manly hands. Probably.

>>5840480
>nike is glaring at the back of aphrodite who is telling the horses to take a nap
I hope she's doing alright. The goddess of victory deserves a REAL w amongst her peers.

>>5840484
Eris is probably frothing at the mouth hoping Pollux will fall to his anger and murder Paris. "GET HIS ASS FUCKING KILL HIM DO IT PUSSY NO BALLS!"

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:02:32 No.5840493 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840456
What if we kill some important people or Paris ? That is enough to start a war.
Shif what if we burn the palace.... or troy....
Honestly the besr outcome would be to get the money, Helene but start the war anyway while Paris dies, and Troy is somewhat damaged

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MecNcuI7 Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:02:32 No.5840494 Report

Quoted By: >>5840502

>>5840490
>She won't be fast enough to stop our large, rough, strong, manly hands.
Thetis had Nikon in bitchmode, this is delusion

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:08:39 No.5840502 Report

Quoted By: >>5840507

>>5840494
We walked right up to Thetis. Aphrodite isn't going to be hovering three feet away from us this entire trip. Be reasonable. Be confident. Why give up before we even get there? SURELY we will have the chance. Don't plan to fail, plan to succeed and prepare to fail. Come on, bud.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:09:17 No.5840504 Report

Quoted By: >>5840510 >>5840527 >>5840775

Like think on it......
What if :
- We get the cash. Cash
- Get Helene
- Murder Paris
- Damage Troy in more than one way prior to the conflict starts. Like announcing Paris was a murderer or just creating chaos around the city
- Start the war anyway

>>5840367
Support

>>5840372
Support

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:11:09 No.5840507 Report

Quoted By: >>5840520

>>5840502
You are tripping balls hopligga
Get this man a shower of olive oil

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:13:08 No.5840510 Report

Quoted By: >>5840520 >>5840527

>>5840504
If you are going to vote, link your post to the QM post anon. It will get lost otherwise

And dont forget to kill the blacksmith

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:25:27 No.5840520 Report

Quoted By: >>5840522 >>5840527

Rolled 39 (1d100)

>>5840507
Seriously though, I wouldn't discount the -possibility- or murdering Paris here. If Pollux is a real risk of killing the prick, then we can only assume there is a chance we can do the same. And don't @ me with that son Zeus not grandkid of Who? shit. I know.

>>5840510
Damn I completely forgot about him. What are the odds he's in the palace for some dumb reason. On a hundo he falls right into our lap

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:26:31 No.5840522 Report

Quoted By: >>5840525

>>5840520
>inb4 he is Paris' personal smith and is travelling with him

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:29:37 No.5840525 Report

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>>5840522
>tfw

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:30:29 No.5840527 Report

Quoted By: >>5840530

>>5840504
>>5840355
My vote here Lesches

>>5840510
True

>>5840520
Is possible but divine protection is a big bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:32:03 No.5840530 Report

Quoted By: >>5840548

>>5840527
>but divine protection is a big bitch
Very true. If only Grandpa actually cared about us.

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Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:47:07 No.5840548 Report

Quoted By: >>5840551

>>5840530

>Thenks for everything grampa
>I am just a titan, mortal boy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 22:54:29 No.5840551 Report

Quoted By: >>5840557

>>5840548
Athos ain't even a titan. He's a -real- giant. One of the gigantes. Which would explain why he doesn't really do anything, cause he is stuck. On the other hand it doesn't explain how he could be our grandpa, because he is stuck.

But he is our grandad in spirit. Rocks never fail us.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:56uPKoAi Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:00:44 No.5840557 Report

Quoted By: >>5840560

>>5840551
>But he is our grandad in spirit. Rocks never fail us.

Maybe the rock that is our life isn't going in the way we wanted, but what is important is that we throw it with all our strength and spirit.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:04:21 No.5840560 Report

Quoted By: >>5840565

>>5840557
>Maybe the rock that is our life isn't going in the way we wanted, but what is important is that we throw it with all our strength and spirit.
>Nikon right before caving in some poor sop's head with a rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:07:34 No.5840565 Report

Quoted By: >>5840573

>>5840560
Philosopher warriors gotta be my favorite kind of characters. Step aside warrior kings, you take second place.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:15:10 No.5840573 Report

Quoted By: >>5840581

>>5840565
Ah yes, Nikon the pioneer Philosopher Warrior of Rock and Roll

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:15:14 No.5840574 Report

Quoted By: >>5840576 >>5840581

If we kill Paris (or if he otherwise dies here), doesn't that mean the blame will be pinned on us and we'll be hunted down and (most likely) die? We won't be part of the war itself, at least not in a way that sides us directly with invading Troy and gaining glory from it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:17:45 No.5840576 Report

Quoted By: >>5840578 >>5840584

>>5840574
Fellow anon, we are literally on the mountain Zeus was born at, with two sons of Zeus, and about to potentially kick off the war Zeus wants. There is not the slightest chance that the big Z is not personally watching over what is about to go down.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:19:43 No.5840578 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840576
Also, let's not forget that if all else fails we try and talk our way out. We just told Pollux what we heard it was his decision to chase after Paris.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:20:46 No.5840581 Report

Quoted By: >>5840584 >>5840587

>>5840573
>Nikon, what is this "rock and roll" you speak of?
>Oh that is simple. The rock represents us, and how even the most stalwart are ground down by the world around us. And the roll is our journey through life, across any and all obstacles, in its meandering path or speedy crash.
>Then why are you lifting that stone?
>Because someone is about to live the rest of their life very rapidly.

>>5840574
Well Pollux, Castor, and Teukros are here as well. They would all also receive blame. Potentially more because everyone thinks Nikon is just a retard from the country who is big.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:24:18 No.5840584 Report

Quoted By: >>5840593

>>5840576
I'll give you that, there's a very big chance he's watching. And it's confirmed that the big daddy Z doesn't care about murder.

>>5840581
Teukros might receive some blame, but I doubt Pollux and Castor will receive any if Paris dies. Higher Kleos, birth, and all that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:25:42 No.5840587 Report

Quoted By: >>5840593

>>5840581
>everyone thinks Nikon is just a retard from the country who is big.

Just as planned.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:32:30 No.5840593 Report

Quoted By: >>5840801

>>5840584
>Higher Kleos, birth, and all that.
Well they'd still blame them, they just couldn't do it to their face. Or they wouldn't be able to openly act against them right away. Being famous or having superior parentage doesn't mean people won't hate you or want you dead. I mean look at Odysseus. TONS of kleos. He's still a dickhead who people wouldn't mind seeing gone.

>>5840587

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:46:10 No.5840607 Report

Quoted By: >>5840620

~2 hour warning.

Lurkers, now’s your chance to step in and change history…

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:6O5cROTU Thu 23 Nov 2023 23:55:56 No.5840620 Report

Quoted By: >>5840775

>>5840607
This lurk cant. I wasnt here for the registering and I'm unable to make memes atm, y'all are on your own.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Fri 24 Nov 2023 00:06:13 No.5840639 Report

Quoted By: >>5840775

>>5840355
>Attempt to persuade Pollux to kidnap Paris, and then use him to enter the Royal Palace. Once inside, you will seek out Helen herself and hear from Pollux’s sister about her desires, and her side of the story. This suggestion is daring - if successful, the infiltration will no doubt become famous. However, it is extraordinarily dangerous - although that may appeal to Pollux. This would be a moderately-difficult social attempt.
I didnt have Nikandros pegged to be such a glory hound. But if we are FUCK IT WE BALL.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Fri 24 Nov 2023 00:07:49 No.5840643 Report

Quoted By: >>5840651 >>5840655

In all honesty thou we need to hope Paris escapes and/or Pollux kills him. That WOULD kick off a war right proper.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Fri 24 Nov 2023 00:10:17 No.5840647 Report

Quoted By: >>5840775

>>5840367
>>5840372
Also support these.
>>5840355

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 00:16:41 No.5840651 Report

Quoted By: >>5840775

>>5840643
>so the Dioscuri show up with those gloomy achaeans, they give introductions and one that is a total nobody with seemingly no ties to the rest says some trivia about himself
>the very next day the Dioscuri roll out and fucking murder paris, no one knows how they figured it out that he was there
>wait, the trivia, the nobody said he found a prince
>realization.jpg
I do wonder if anyone would come to this conclusion or if we'd be overshadowed by men of greater standing yet again. It's kind of amusing to think about.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Fri 24 Nov 2023 00:19:06 No.5840653 Report

Quoted By: >>5840775

>>5840355
>Attempt to persuade Pollux to kidnap Paris, and then use him to enter the Royal Palace. Once inside, you will seek out Helen herself and hear from Pollux’s sister about her desires, and her side of the story. This suggestion is daring - if successful, the infiltration will no doubt become famous. However, it is extraordinarily dangerous - although that may appeal to Pollux. This would be a moderately-difficult social attempt.
Barely made it home in time. Hope everyone had a good thanks giving, or failing that a good day.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Fri 24 Nov 2023 00:20:33 No.5840655 Report

Quoted By: >>5840684 >>5840775

>>5840372
support!
humiliate Paris, being a bro to Castor, totally pissing off Odysseus and all troyans thus kicking off the war anyway and extoll the talents of our sister.
this plan has my complete approval, let's rock

>>5840643
but that would also strip the party of any diplomatic immunity and see us hounded and killed immediately after.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 00:48:58 No.5840684 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840655
>but that would also strip the party of any diplomatic immunity and see us hounded and killed immediately after.
They'd have to find out first. Which would probably give us just enough time to get back, tell our party that we need to leave and then rush out of the city.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Fri 24 Nov 2023 01:17:00 No.5840705 Report

Quoted By: >>5840775

>>5840355
>Attempt to persuade Pollux to notify Paris of the upcoming diplomatic council only, and escort Paris back to Ilion. You presume that Paris is unaware of the arrival of the Achaeans; explain to Pollux that the man has the right to stand before the council, explain his actions, and speak his mind. This is a high-risk attempt - from Pollux’s perspective, you would be defending Paris’ actions.
Just realized I didn't vote lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Fri 24 Nov 2023 02:05:00 No.5840743 Report

Quoted By: >>5840775 >>5848054

>>5840355
>Something else that I haven’t thought of?
Kill Paris.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 02:35:40 No.5840775 Report

Quoted By: >>5840779 >>5848054

Tally so far

Ilion's Eleven

>>5840364
>>5840372 (plus write-in about nepenthe)
>>5840398
>>5840400 (splitting this vote in half because anon voted for two separate things at the same time)
>>5840401
>>5840504 (another split vote for two separate things)
>>5840639
>>5840651
>>5840653
>>5840655

Convince Pollux to bring him in peacefully AKA by the book

>>5840367 (plus the smart write-in about prophecies and gods)
>>5840400 (splitting this vote in half because anon voted for two separate things at the same time)
>>5840504 (another split vote for two separate things)
>>5840705

Anon plz, you only get one vote

>>5840647

Contrarian-anon throwing away his vote again (which is his choice)

>>5840743

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>>5840620

You can always throw out some Homeric-ish poetry to register, anon.

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WEW LADS - looks like Nikandros is doubling-down on insanity by suggesting infiltrating the Royal Palace to Pollux. Seems unlikely that we'll get enough votes to overturn by 10pm EST.

As a friendly reminder, if Nikandros persuades poorly here and doesn't sell his plan effectively, he will probably lose respect/regard points with Pollux.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 02:41:09 No.5840779 Report

Quoted By: >>5840817

>>5840775
Fine, I'll change to
>Master yourself, and say nothing. Attempting to influence him now can only damage your relationship with the son of Zeus. Better to help Paris escape at the right moment…

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Fri 24 Nov 2023 02:54:46 No.5840793 Report

Quoted By: >>5840817

>>5840355
>>Attempt to persuade Pollux to notify Paris of the upcoming diplomatic council only, and escort Paris back to Ilion. You presume that Paris is unaware of the arrival of the Achaeans; explain to Pollux that the man has the right to stand before the council, explain his actions, and speak his mind. This is a high-risk attempt - from Pollux’s perspective, you would be defending Paris’ actions.
>Refer to prophecy
I hope I didn't miss the vote, I was working : (((

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:03:52 No.5840801 Report

Quoted By: >>5840807 >>5840817

>>5840593
I will also support this anon's write-in >>5840367
For whatever that's worth.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:06:36 No.5840807 Report

Quoted By: >>5840831

>>5840801
Why're you telling me that? lol

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:17:13 No.5840817 Report

Quoted By: >>5840821 >>5840822

>>5840779
>>5840793

These votes are noted but don't change the outcome.

>>5840801

You missed the cut-off by three minutes, unfortunately, but even if it counted, "Raid the Palace" still wins by a pretty big margin.

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Update inbound shortly - maybe 5-10 minutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:21:06 No.5840821 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840817
I'm banking on the gods helping us a little along the way. They do want the war after all. Right? Us getting caught in the palace would certainly instantly torpedo the talks. Though would Nikon walk away after that? Probably not.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:21:43 No.5840822 Report

Quoted By: >>5840831 >>5840834

>>5840817
Can we atleast mention both the potion and the prophecy to attempt to reduce the dc?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:26:59 No.5840825 Report

Quoted By:

I was wondering if the Nepenthe would work on Cassandra. I have come to the conclusion that that is dumb. Of course it wouldn't work. Her mind is fine, everyone just doesn't believe her. She doesn't speak gibberish or anything. Alas, no waifu for us. I would like to make Cassandra love us specifically to spite Apollo for interfering with the lesser Delia's archery contest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:34:12 No.5840831 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840807
Meant to reply to the QM's post lmao

>>5840822
I'd be fine with that, but I don't think the QM will allow it.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:38:14 No.5840834 Report

Quoted By: >>5840835

>>5840822

Yes, you will be referencing the nepenthe for a small write-in bonus, since that was part of the "Ilion's Eleven" winning vote.

The prophecy write-in is sort of nonsensical from the "Ilion's Eleven" perspective - "the gods are trying to kill you, now lets do something crazy dangerous together and raid Priam's palace" and the prophecy write-in itself came from a vote for something else (let's catch Paris and bring him back to face justice during the council), so it won't be part of Nikon's persuasion attempt.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:40:02 No.5840835 Report

Quoted By: >>5840838

>>5840834
I mean "the gods are trying to kill you, now lets do something crazy dangerous together and raid Priam's palace" DOES sound like something that would appeal to a greek hero

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:41:56 No.5840838 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840835
You never know, maybe Poseidon would give a hand. He fucking hates those guys. Though, Apollo would be sitting in the guest room since he seems so damn interested in the family.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:46:47 No.5840842 Report

Quoted By: >>5840849 >>5840852 >>5840859 >>5840861

Rolled 14, 2 + 4 = 20 (2d20 + 4)

A daring plan comes together in your mind, as you prepare to speak with Pollux, son of Zeus.

The nepenthe vials, sitting inside your coin-pouch, tied to your belt. Paris, currently traveling to Mount Ida for a secretive hunting expedition, likely expected to be absent for many days. Helen of Sparta, almost certainly being kept hidden within the Royal Palace of Ilion. If you succeed in catching Paris later this evening, you may be able to return during the night. And with Paris - the Royal Palace becomes accessible.

Why not allow Pollux and Castor the ability to speak with Helen directly – hear from the absconders together, to explain themselves and their conduct?

As siblings, the Dioscuri would no doubt be able to appeal to Helen’s reason effectively – who better to understand her condition and mindset? And they’ve already rescued her from kidnapping once before. A part of you imagines that Helen may have been ensorcelled through some nefarious action of Paris – if so, perhaps the application of your nepenthe could break the enchantment? If it is a matter of straight-forward kidnapping on Paris’ part, Helen will no doubt leap at the chance to return to the galleys and return to Mycenae. And – some greedy part of you imagines that a daring infiltration of the Royal Palace would make for a phenomenal song or tale. The lure of such Kleos tugs at you, despite the incredible danger of the attempt.

With Paris in your possession, there would be multiple avenues to war between Mycenae and Ilion – not the least of which could be the raid of the Royal Palace itself and the (possible?) execution of Paris before the opening day of the diplomatic council. Even should Pollux decide to take Paris hostage instead, the chances of a successful diplomatic resolution would almost certainly diminish… Unless Odysseus intervenes. If Paris is kidnapped, he would likely counsel Menelaus to ransom him back to Ilion for a larger share of treasure than was stolen. But if this comes to pass, you need only ensure that the ransom attempt fails…

Finally – it occurs to you that failure to penetrate Helen’s apartments in the Royal Palace would – by definition – return Paris to the Palace, and would cause no shortage of tension in its own right, as well as reveal deception on Priam's part. Of course, there’s a substantial possibility that you would be imprisoned, ransomed, or killed in this scenario. Better then, that you succeed.

Your head whirls with possible outcomes – but ultimately, bringing Paris back to the Royal Palace (by force, if necessary) best serves your interests, and so you make your pitch to Pollux...

>okay, players – I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+4. Nikon has a +0 CHA bonus, but his respect/regard level with Pollux correlates to a +3 bonus to his persuasion attempt. I’m assigning an additional point for mentioning the nepenthe (but only +1, since Nikon doesn’t actually know that Helen is cursed).

>good luck

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:53:27 No.5840849 Report

Quoted By: >>5840853

Rolled 15 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5840842
Hopefully we only barely fail so he doesn't get angry, just irritated.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:54:32 No.5840852 Report

Quoted By: >>5840862

Rolled 16 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5840842

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:54:33 No.5840853 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840849
On the one hand LET'S FUCKING GO

on the other

aw fuck we have to go in there now

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Fri 24 Nov 2023 03:59:24 No.5840859 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 6 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5840842

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 04:01:04 No.5840861 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840842
Does this count toward the Pollux whisperer trait?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 04:01:22 No.5840862 Report

Quoted By: >>5840942 >>5841088

>>5840852

Good news - you beat the DC.

Bad news - you beat the DC.

Update tomorrow for 8am

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 06:32:13 No.5840942 Report

Quoted By: >>5840961

>>5840862
It’s only been a few days since Nikon set foot in the city, and he’s already off to kidnap a prince and sneak into the Royal Palace. He doesn't waste time. I can only hope if a fight breaks out, Teukie’s damn fine archery can hard carry.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 06:50:42 No.5840961 Report

Quoted By: >>5840964

>>5840942
Problem, he has a spear right now, not a bow. We will have to find him one.

I'm more worried about Nikon's very poor stealth. He only gets a +1. Teukros is aces with his stupendous AGI, and Pollux and Castor both do this shit for a living, they've got decent AGI and probably plenty of traits for it. First hurdle, getting in, but Paris is a blubbering bitch so it shouldn't be too hard to cow him just because he's a wuss. Second hurdle, getting to Helen without Paris finding his balls Third hurdle, actually getting out with both of them in tow.

Though I suppose the real first hurdle is catching Paris in the first place. The odds are always stacked against us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 07:03:25 No.5840964 Report

Quoted By: >>5840966

>>5840961
>find him one
Just steal Paris’ bow.
>The odds are always stacked against us.
Probably might get even more egregious once gods actively interfere.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Fri 24 Nov 2023 07:05:25 No.5840965 Report

Quoted By: >>5840966

Well, shit. Things really spiraled into overdrive the instant Nikon and Teukros learned about Paris' whereabouts.
I only hope Tyche is willing to cover our asses for what is to come.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 07:07:40 No.5840966 Report

Quoted By: >>5840974

Rolled 3 (1d20)

>>5840964
>Just steal Paris’ bow.
>my brainlet ass forgetting he'd have one despite mentioning it myself earlier

>Probably might get even more egregious once gods actively interfere.
I would say fuck the gods but there's only one I'm interested in. Nike all the way all day baybee. Fuck though yeah that's gonna be a huge problem. And the only defense we have against it is that maybe Zeus will stop the others from interfering with one of his favorite children. Dire.

>>5840965
>rolling for odds tyche throws us a bone because she finds our flailing in the roiling tides of fate amusing

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aNW5h+2+ Fri 24 Nov 2023 07:24:39 No.5840974 Report

Quoted By: >>5840979

>>5840966
Tyche is lady luck man, she don't take sides. And her attention dosen't mean good luck...

Leaving that aside, lets to pray to Nike, the true waifu, and that the simping begin!

>O come, O come, Lady Nike,
that captivates my heart,
that fly so close, so far
until the day of pride arrive.

>Rejoice! Rejoice! O Hellas,
to thee shall come Lady Nike!

>O come, Thou of Glory, from on high,
and honor all of wit and might;
to us the path of grandeur show,
and teach us in her ways to go.

>O come, o come, Thou Lady of Light,
who to thy tribes on olympus's height
in ancient times did give her sight,
in cloud, and majesty, and awe.

>O Rose of Triumph, standing as a sign among the peoples;
before you kings will shut their mouths,
to you the nations will make their prayer:
Come and embrace us, and embosom us.

>O come, Thou Ally of Thunder, come,
and open wide your soft wings,
make safe the way that leads on high,
that we no more have cause to sigh.

>O come, Thou Confort in the Dark,
and cheer us by thy drawing nigh;
disperse the gloomy clouds of night
and death's dark shadow put to flight.

>O come, Desire of the Nations, bind
in one the hearts of all mankind;
bid every strife and quarrel cease
and fill the world with true peace.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 07:31:04 No.5840979 Report

Quoted By: >>5840983

>>5840974
Bad luck can become good luck at the drop of a sandal. All it takes is a little bit of creative accounting! But yes, when Tyche is around, it just means that life is a spinning coin poised to fall on either end. Not that good things are coming your way. Which is why we ask for good fortune, and not the fortune of being born related to Par*s. So hey she already blessed us.

Is that an actual prayer to Nike from somewhere?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aNW5h+2+ Fri 24 Nov 2023 07:37:22 No.5840983 Report

Quoted By: >>5840985 >>5841091

>>5840979
Nah, is a cristian song that I edited a bit because I never find a true prayer

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 07:40:40 No.5840985 Report

Quoted By: >>5841091

>>5840983
It works pretty well. Let's just pretend it was ours to begin with. That works for Odysseus.

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Anonymous ID:aNW5h+2+ Fri 24 Nov 2023 11:52:18 No.5841088 Report

Quoted By: >>5841105

>>5840862

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Fri 24 Nov 2023 11:53:21 No.5841091 Report

Quoted By:

>>5840983
>>5840985
how do you know it wasn't stolen in the first place by christians? most of what they have is because they supplanted pagan stuff with their own.

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Fri 24 Nov 2023 12:03:10 No.5841105 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841088
man these warmonger Castor memes remind me of nuclear Ghandi from the civ games.
aggression value so low it circled back to max.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Fri 24 Nov 2023 12:07:07 No.5841109 Report

Quoted By:

Shit is popping off. I should by some pop rocks to celebrate

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 12:22:54 No.5841120 Report

Quoted By: >>5841156 >>5841160 >>5841178 >>5841187

>20 vs 18 – Nikandros convinces Pollux to conduct the raid, but without any changes to their relationship.

“Pollux - forgive me,” you begin tentatively. This situation requires your most delicate approach…

“But with Paris, we can access the Royal Palace… and your sister Helen. He is the key that unlocks the gates to the Royal Apartments. With Paris, we need not negotiate for days or weeks on end to obtain her.”

Pollux turns to you incredulously, his pale blonde hair ruffling in the breeze.

“You can’t be serious suggesting that - ”

“I am, Pollux. Paris has been smuggled out of the city by his father, but Pedaeus implied that this was done with an oath of silence amongst the nobility of his family. Priam’s household staff may not even know that he departed yesterday. And beyond this, Paris is certain to know the best method to approach Helen’s apartment in secret. With Paris, we would have the means to infiltrate the Royal Palace, the advantage of surprise… We will never have a better chance to retrieve Helen than we do tonight.”

Pollux stares you, shaking his head in disbelief - but he does not deny your logic. He stares blankly at the dusty path before him, his eyes open overly wide in distress.
“And Pollux - with me, I have two doses of nepenthe.” Now Pollux stares at you in true shock. You offer him an explanation: “A gift from my sister.” But his stunned expression does not change for several long moments. Suspicious words tumble out of his mouth:

"Who are you, really, Thessalian? You're like no country bumpkin I've ever met - first, the business with Achilles, and now this!" You sense that this is a rhetorical question, and finally, Pollux continues:

“...With the nepenthe, legendary stuff, it is - we could kill Paris, force it upon Helen to calm her, and then return her to Sparta without her distress.”

“What?!” you exclaim. “I had thought to use a dose to break any sorcery upon the mind of your sister!”

“Sorcery?” Pollux, with one hand on the reins, using the other to scrub his face in bewilderment. “Nikandros, you are a young man - an intelligent man, but a young man. I have known my sister Helen for much longer than you have been alive. Trust me when I say that I doubt that sorcery was required for her to leave her husband’s palace.”

You’re not sure how to interpret Pollux’s statement, but before you can inquire, Pollux is continuing:

“But two doses of nepenthe are certainly something to consider – it changes things.” Pollux mutters to himself for another several minutes, wrestling with the possibilities. You give him additional time to contemplate, and he finally makes a determination.

“Nikandros, I cannot believe that I am saying this – but you are correct. If we capture Paris, we return to the citadel of Ilion with all haste.” And then a deep sigh. “Zeus above, Thessalian...If we live, they will sing of this in Aegyptus and Argos alike.”

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 13:09:09 No.5841156 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841120

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 13:13:43 No.5841160 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841120
You know shit is about to go down when an argonaut sighs in exasperation at the sheer insanity of an idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Fri 24 Nov 2023 13:31:45 No.5841178 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841120
WOOOWOOWOWOWO
holy shit he is in

"If we live, they will sing of this in Aegyptus and Argos alike." Nikandros heart must be going like a train now. He wants Kleos and fame

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Fri 24 Nov 2023 13:33:03 No.5841182 Report

Quoted By:

And the treasure yes yes just imagine .....

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 13:36:20 No.5841187 Report

Quoted By: >>5841214

>>5841120
We are madmen
>I doubt that sorcery was required for her to leave her husband’s palace.
Well, Menelaus is a massive faggot. And apparently he likes to turn consensual sex into rape

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:04:50 No.5841214 Report

Quoted By:

Other half of the morning update in 5-10 minutes, sorry for delay.

>>5841187

Yes, but remember that in the deeply misogynistic culture of LBA Greece, there is basically no cultural/religious prohibition against sexual violence against unrelated women. So Menelaus and other (sociopathic) men like him may not even be able to clearly distinguish between consensual sexual encounters and sexual assault.

I mean, to be very clear, the Mytilenian twin thought she was getting a nice picnic with a rich old grampa while her sister was in the bushes with Nikandros, she wasn't imagining that Menelaus would assault her. So Menelaus had the opportunity to sexually assault her and took it.

Nikandros is one of the few people in TWQ so far who might hesitate momentarily to rape and slaughter given his sympathy trait, but even so, Nikandros is ALSO not a good guy here. He's a slightly-more sympathetic sociopath, and he happens to be OUR guy.

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Anonymous ID:aNW5h+2+ Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:16:08 No.5841224 Report

Quoted By: >>5841235

The A-Team is on the job.

(Aegean-Team)

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:35:56 No.5841235 Report

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>>5841224

Incredible work, haha.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:38:13 No.5841238 Report

Quoted By: >>5841270

Relief washes through your limbs – keeping Paris off the vessels of your diplomatic envoy and within Ilion is almost certainly best for your purposes.

As for the business about killing Paris – well, you’re ambivalent about his actual murder, of course, and his death may certainly cause war between Mycenae and Ilion. But if his death becomes common knowledge while you are also in Ilion, then your own is almost certainly to follow. You’d likely be standing directly behind the man, waiting to be judged by King Minos in Tartarus. Murder of a prince of Ilion would shatter the diplomatic privileges of your party, and would be a de facto declaration of war. Perhaps there’s some small chance that your party could battle out of the city, reach the vessels and then sail to freedom, but you suspect it would be a very small one. Perhaps more likely, each of you would scatter out of the city independently and in secret, and you’d be forced to find your own way home, dodging Trojan soldiers, Dardanians, and Zeus knows what other forces seeking your capture, imprisonment and execution. Escape from the Troad under these circumstances would be phenomenally dangerous. War with Mycenae would certainly follow the death of Paris, but you’d hardly be in the position to reap the rewards, decomposing in a swampy ditch.

You’ll have to think of something to restrain Pollux once more, and spare the life of Paris, if the moment comes. Your anxiety builds – each “solution” that you produce here in Ilion is prompting a larger, more dangerous problem to grapple with. Despite the warm of the day, you are sweat coldly with dread. Noon passes by, and your pair of chariots continue their stuttering progress – you wonder if you might move more quickly if you bind yourself to your chariot, rather than one of the sleepy Trojan steeds.

Passing over a small ridge, you see below you, several stadia away, the mighty Scamandros. You nearly shout a curse at the top of your lungs at the sight – it runs west to east, a deep and mighty outflow to the Aegean. There’s simply no way to find a way around it, not without traveling far to the west and adding days or weeks to your journey.

You grit your teeth. You’ll have to risk a fording. There’s simply no other way - not without putting Paris outside your reach.

Pollux, sensing your tension, asks –

“What is the matter, Nikandros – you have the pallor of your great-uncle*.” It occurs to you that despite your weeks at sea with Pollux, you haven’t mentioned your – boyhood dispute – with rivers and their respective deities.

This is a reference to the “pallor of Adrastus” – during the Seven Against Thebes, Adrastus’ reaction to the deaths of his seven champions is the stuff of Hellenic legend. Interesting, Adrastus’ life was later saved by his magic horse, a huge black stallion...

>cont

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:50:07 No.5841247 Report

Quoted By: >>5841259

Best idea is to hide and have Pollux be the one to cross. How to hide despite our great size? We lay down on the floor of the chariot and have Pollux stand atop us while we hold on for our lives.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:52:44 No.5841250 Report

Quoted By: >>5841252 >>5841253 >>5841267

“I have…sometimes been at odds with the issue of earth-encircling Oceanus,” you admit to the greater of the Dioscuri. He looks at you puzzlingly –

“With – with ALL issue of Oceanus? Does this have to do your father’s death? Nikandros, that is foolishness – your quarrel should be with Ismenos…” Pollux’s lecture continues, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot budge from your stance now – you swore an oath and you meant it. Pollux eventually gives up when he sees that you are resolute in your vendetta…

As you approach the river, you try to prepare yourself - you may very well find yourself confronted with Scamandros himself, or any number of naiads, nymphs, or other such daimons.

>Okay /qst/, cross your fingers – here’s another river encounter…
>I need ONE roll of dice+1d20 to see who’s in the river.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:53:39 No.5841252 Report

Quoted By: >>5841259 >>5841270 >>5841276

Rolled 14 (1d20)

>>5841250

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aNW5h+2+ Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:53:47 No.5841253 Report

Quoted By: >>5841254 >>5841270

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>5841250

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:55:05 No.5841254 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841253
Glad I rolled first.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:aNW5h+2+ Fri 24 Nov 2023 14:58:27 No.5841259 Report

Quoted By: >>5841270

>>5841252
Thenks the gods you roll faster anon.

>>5841247
Just sit in your knees

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 15:07:28 No.5841267 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841250
They are all bad Pollux, ALL OF THEM! Except one in particular, she gets a pass
But yeah, we keep digging ourselves further into trouble. Involving the dioscuri put on the mad path

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Fri 24 Nov 2023 15:11:54 No.5841270 Report

Quoted By: >>5841273

>>5841252
keep around because we will need luck crossing rivers on the way back too.

>>5841253
the Scamandros will remember you

>>5841238
i think the best plan would be to convince Pollux humiliating Paris would be the best course of action
leave him bound and naked with a carrot up his ass in his rooms kind of humiliation.
at least he won't murder him on the spot
Castor however might

>>5841259
>sit up Nikandros you look ridiculous
>a lowered center of gravity helps with stability
>what is this gravity you speak of??
Nikandros then flies away because gravity wasn't invented yet

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aNW5h+2+ Fri 24 Nov 2023 15:17:07 No.5841273 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841270
>i think the best plan would be to convince Pollux humiliating Paris would be the best course of action

Sound plan kek this will be remember for eternaty if we do that

Calm Castor by droping inflamable oil on the roll and leaving a lit candel clouse to paris. He is too retarded to not kill himself

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 15:19:08 No.5841276 Report

Quoted By: >>5841281 >>5841517

>>5841252

>14
>moderately better than average but not great

Alright I have a plan for the river encounter. Next update for 2pm EST or so.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 15:19:40 No.5841277 Report

Quoted By: >>5841280 >>5841324

The true horror is if we end up facing Hector in combat

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aNW5h+2+ Fri 24 Nov 2023 15:20:25 No.5841280 Report

Quoted By: >>5841517

>>5841277
Rock is our only hope

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 15:21:29 No.5841281 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841276
Wow. I imagine that this location has a particularly high average difficulty so we have to roll well above average to not meet something that could one shot us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 15:59:24 No.5841319 Report

Quoted By: >>5841517

I'm low-key hoping Paris somehow dies because it might save Achilles.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Fri 24 Nov 2023 16:03:56 No.5841324 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841277
We can defeat him by overwhelming him with rock facts

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 18:50:53 No.5841517 Report

Quoted By: >>5841531

>>5841276
I think 14 is a pretty great roll. Especially considering the circumstance. As long as the Scamander is off doing something somewhere else I'll call it a W.

>>5841280
Anon, Hector knows the power of rocks, too. He's a fellow rockchad. Against Hector there can be only death. Unless we somehow manage to grapple him with Pollux and ourself. We might be strong enough to hinder him a little, and Pollux skilled enough in wrestling to match him. Otherwise, whew. He's stronger, faster, and tougher than we are. I think the only thing we beat him in is INT.

>>5841319
Honestly I think the absolute best case scenario is we somehow get Helen and Paris and escape with both of them, then Menelaus either publicly executes him in Lacedaemon or Mycenae. Or just, on the trip home. But cutting off his head and chucking him into the sea will probably piss off more gods than if he just got put on the block and chopped. I sincerely doubt we'll get it.

But without Paris to cheapshot him with Apollo's guidance, who really can bring down Achilles? I can only imagine Memnon or Aeneas with a ton of help from a god or two.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 19:13:20 No.5841526 Report

Quoted By: >>5841529

As the pair of chariots approaches the Scamandros, you’re so busy scanning the river water for divinities, you pay no attention to the fording ahead. But as you examine the currents with a nervous eye, you see no nymphs or naiads, no Potamides of any kind. Likewise, you see no river-deities. You remember the footrace on Delos - the river-deity Inopos had been blessedly distracted, but there was no mistaking his enormous frame, standing knee-high in the rushing current. You hear a strange sound and your head whips about - but it is only Pollux, chuckling at your paranoia.

“Be at peace, Nikandros - I see no Flowing Ones for you to meet with in the strong encounter.” Your cheeks heat in embarrassment - Pollux is wryly mocking you, suggesting that you are equally matched with a nymph in combat.

Your fears abated, you look ahead to find a low stone bridge, perhaps twenty strides in length and wide enough for two large ox-carts to pass one another, crossing the span of the Scamandros. On the opposite side, you see a man approaching in a fine horse-cart. He is dressed quite well, in fine robes of deep scarlet and a red hat, trimmed with gold in the Phyrigian style - even from this distance, his garb speaks of wealth and prestige. In the empty seat to his right, a recurve bow rests - the expensive weapon of a nobleman. Likewise, his horses are clean-limbed and healthy; the horse-cart itself is finely made and painted gaily. In the back of the cart, there is a hide tarp covering some bulky objects. From this relatively short distance, you can easily hear the jostling of empty amphorae against one another.

Pollux and yourself exchange knowing glances with one another, having the same thought:

This man returns to Troy from Priam’s expedition.

Perhaps they have run short of wine? Once again, you wonder at your fortune – and are beginning to feel claustrophobic. Is every happenstance occurrence a result of the machination of the gods?

Pollux is quick to react - he orders Castor to pull his chariot alongside your own, blocking passage on the bridge. He takes another few moments to explain further.

“Castor, Teukros – this man represents the chance to infiltrate Paris’ camp. We must take him – alive, preferably. Teukros, you will convince the man to reverse course, and when we cross to the opposing side, we subdue him."

The man approaches - and he vaguely resembles Teukros. The same dark features and high cheekbones - the same mop of curly hair peeking out from under his Phyrigian cap. Only the age, the frame of the man and the eyes are wrong - he is leaner and even more wiry, older than Teukros, and his eyes and brows are shaped differently. Still - in the twilight, these diferences should not matter. The man calls out to your chariots in a outraged tone;

"Wat betekent dit? Dius, zoon van Priamus, eist dat je ruimte maakt voor mijn doorgang!"

>someone give me a dice+1d20 to see if Dius spots the ambush - 12 and under, he does.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 19:17:00 No.5841529 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 17 (1d20)

>>5841526

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 19:17:42 No.5841531 Report

Quoted By: >>5841538

>>5841517
So we must bond over our shared love of rocks to distract him while the rest of the gang sneaks by

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 19:21:59 No.5841536 Report

Quoted By:

YEAH SUCK IT DIUS

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 19:25:38 No.5841538 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841531
>run out of rock talk
>"So uh, why are you here anyway, large man who only speaks Hellenic?"
>"Just uh, on a tour."
>"Yeah alright buddy come on we're heading to the prison."
>"okay... :( "
kek

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 19:38:14 No.5841551 Report

Quoted By: >>5841554 >>5841566

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 19:39:24 No.5841554 Report

Quoted By: >>5841559

>>5841551
How can a man incandescent with rage sneak up on someone? Just ask Castor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 19:41:59 No.5841559 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841554
I imagine by repressing it the same way he does living ever day knowing he is widely accepted to be lesser to his twin.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 19:49:18 No.5841566 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841551

KEK

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:04:47 No.5841583 Report

Quoted By: >>5841586 >>5841588 >>5841589 >>5841595 >>5841597 >>5841599 >>5841616 >>5841619

Rolled 16, 3, 4 + 1 = 24 (3d20 + 1)

Teukros leaps into action, calling back to the man:

“Heer Dius - mijn oprechte excuses. Mijn paarden zijn slecht getraind, ze keren niet vanzelf terug! Ik moet je vragen je terug te trekken - voor dit ongemak zal ik je compenseren met goud!”

Dius sighs in frustration, but says nothing – he instead descends from his cartseat, and begins goading his horses backwards. It’s a slow process, but it allows Teukros and Castor’s chariot to advance slowly, bringing them quite close to Dius’ cart. His team reverses nearly to the far banks...

And that is when the naiad vaults up onto the low side wall of the bridge – as graceful as she is stunning. She must have been lurking below the stonework!

She is blonde, beautiful and naked – as is the way of the naiads. She stands up, and steps lightly from the low wall, onto the bridge surface besides Dius’ horse-team – and only yourself and Pollux react. Of course, she is visible only to the pair of you! She catches sight of Pollux, and calls out in a ringing voice:

“Son of Zeus! I bring a message from my uncle Scamandros – desist in this hunting of Alexandros Priamides. Skamandros forbids the molestation of his descendants – he reminds you of your station and demands that you return to Ilion at once!” She smiles venomously - and then notices you, standing besides Pollux. Her perfect, oval face contorts grotesquely, a mockery of normal human emotion, and she shrieks:

“YOU! Is there no corner of the Aegean free from the vermin spawn of Hippomedon!? I gave your sister the justice she deserves – and now I’ll do the same for you!”

You startle in confusion – what in the name of the deathless gods is she talking about? Does she know Deianira?! Before you can call out to her, the naiad is violently striking the backsides of Dius’ horse-teams – the pair of Dius' steeds scream in terror and leap forwards, straining against their cart rigging! They streak forwards, crashing into Teukros and Castor’s horse-teams, shoulder to shoulder, and Dius’ horses flail their front-hooves and snap at the necks of the Antenoridae steeds with their grinding teeth.

The sudden chaos seems to shatter the illusion of friendly conduct - Dius trips backwards onto the grassy earth after the bridge, before spinning to flee. The naiad, seemingly content with her work, hisses acidly at you, before launching herself back into the waters of the river - disappearing into the fast-moving currents. Pollux screams out at Teukros:

“AFTER HIM, BOY!”

>Oops - turns out Pollux was wrong about there being no divinities present. We're rolling for Teukros to catch Dius now - Teukros has a normal +6 AGI bonus, but he has to dodge flailing hooves and snapping horseteeth in the process - I need THREE rolls of dice+1d20+4 to see if Teukros can catch the man.
>This turn of events counts as Nikon's Disfavored of the Rivers thread failure, btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:07:58 No.5841586 Report

Quoted By: >>5841612

>>5841583
Oh shit, it's the bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:08:10 No.5841588 Report

Quoted By: >>5841627

Rolled 16 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5841583

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:08:19 No.5841589 Report

Quoted By: >>5841592 >>5841610 >>5841619

Rolled 9 (1d20)

>>5841583
We need a 14 or above.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:11:25 No.5841592 Report

Quoted By:

HA TWO TIMES FOOLED DIUS

>>5841589
Dont worry, we are in a stone bridge

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:13:20 No.5841595 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841583
Oh, this is going to be good.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:14:05 No.5841597 Report

Quoted By: >>5841604

>>5841583
>>This turn of events counts as Nikon's Disfavored of the Rivers thread failure
I fookin knew it was gonna be summat loike dis. Wait

> I gave your sister the justice she deserves – and now I’ll do the same for you!”
You little cunt. YOU BITCH YOU BETTER RUN

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:15:38 No.5841599 Report

Quoted By: >>5841607 >>5841627

Rolled 19 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5841583
Nat 20 go

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:16:18 No.5841600 Report

Quoted By:

QM need a last 1d20+4 roll anons!

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:16:59 No.5841604 Report

Quoted By: >>5841608

>>5841597
I was gonna suggest capturing her for fun timez.

Too bad she gapped it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:18:01 No.5841607 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841599

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:18:08 No.5841608 Report

Quoted By: >>5841626

>>5841604
The only fun she'd be having is her skull being compressed into a diamond with our bare hands.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:18:48 No.5841609 Report

Quoted By: >>5841615

Just a reminder that crits are in affect I believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:19:49 No.5841610 Report

Quoted By: >>5841614

>>5841589
Should I roll again if this does not count?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:20:11 No.5841612 Report

Quoted By: >>5841622

>>5841586
well, now we know and if we survive so will Deianira who will switch places with Nikandros in the war to get a shot at this wet whore*.
*no lesbianism intended

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:21:13 No.5841614 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841610
Do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:21:16 No.5841615 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841609
Only when we fight or talk to spirits/gods directy. The water bitch just fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:21:29 No.5841616 Report

Quoted By: >>5841622

>>5841583
THE BITCH OMFG I WILL FRY YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID TO IUDAS !!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:22:38 No.5841619 Report

Quoted By: >>5841627

Rolled 10 + 4 (1d20 + 4)

>>5841583
>>5841589

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:22:56 No.5841622 Report

Quoted By: >>5841636 >>5841641

>>5841612
>>5841616
Don't worry my friends, that shitty stream of hers will be drained and walled over.
Just being dammed is not enough of a punishment, she needs to experience the same fate that the ghost goddess suffered

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:25:12 No.5841626 Report

Quoted By: >>5841636 >>5841644

>>5841608
Idk carrying a rock baby sounds pretty good. There once was river nymphs now they're all half rock half water nymphs. Grandpa would be proud.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:25:30 No.5841627 Report

Quoted By: >>5841631 >>5841633 >>5841634 >>5841636 >>5841638

Rolled 20, 10, 16 + 0 = 46 (3d20 + 0)

>>5841588
>>5841599
>>5841619

>Teukros is fast AF - 23 vs 17.
>He catches Dius pretty quickly.

Now, they gonna wrassle. Dius isn’t a trained wrestler, but neither is Teukros. I need three dice+1d20+1 to see if lil T can subdue him in wrestling, or if Dius breaks free again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:27:30 No.5841631 Report

Quoted By: >>5841639 >>5841653

>>5841627
This is ridiculous. No bonus from the degrees of success last round?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:27:43 No.5841633 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841627
Unless we roll 19, he is

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:27:44 No.5841634 Report

Quoted By: >>5841653

Rolled 5 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5841627
Surprisingly good wrestling

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:28:08 No.5841636 Report

Quoted By: >>5841653

Rolled 7 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5841622
It won't be enough. We need to use her offal to decorate a tree. Her skin should be made into a rug. She should be rolled up like a sweet nut cake. She needs to be keelhauled in the saltiest of brine.

>>5841626
No. Death is her only reward. There is no room for foolishness.

>>5841627
This fucking guy. Castor, jump his ass. Hell, we should hop in.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:28:33 No.5841638 Report

Quoted By: >>5841642 >>5841653

Rolled 10 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5841627

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:28:47 No.5841639 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841631
At the very least, this might give us and Pollux enough time to catch up to him

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:30:02 No.5841641 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841622
Indeed.
I will see any altars of her destroyed in to dust and her being turned in the first fish and chips.
River scum
Too bad she fucking escaped ....

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:30:20 No.5841642 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841638
I think he breaks free but we managed to slow him down so that we can catch up.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:32:44 No.5841644 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841626
That disgusting being does not deserve anything other then whatever closest fate to death a divine can suffer

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:37:25 No.5841653 Report

Quoted By: >>5841654 >>5841657 >>5841660

>>5841631

Actually, that’s a good point. Teukros got two or so degrees of success on the foot chase, so let’s give Teukros an additional +4 bonus on the wrassling check to delivering a vicious sliding attack on Dius.

>>5841634
>>5841636
>>5841638

Unfortunately, even with the revised +5 modifier, Teukie can’t keep a grip on Dius…

Now I need a dice+1d2 to see if Pollux orders Nikandros to fire a javelin or not at Dius or not. 1 = mass footrace, 2 = Nik is ordered to throw.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:38:15 No.5841654 Report

Quoted By: >>5841659 >>5841660

Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>5841653

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:38:28 No.5841657 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>5841653

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:39:22 No.5841659 Report

Quoted By: >>5841665 >>5841666 >>5841668

>>5841654

Uh oh. The situation is spiraling out of control.

Update at 10pm EST tonight.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:39:55 No.5841660 Report

Quoted By: >>5841666 >>5841681

>>5841653
>>5841654
I'm actually happier with this option. We are slow as a rock, better at throwing, and if my translation program is correct just got permission from Polus to kill a son of Priam.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:41:40 No.5841665 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841659
The important thing is that hopefully we have crossed the river, getting closer to Paris, and can silence Dius before anyone knows we are here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:41:59 No.5841666 Report

Quoted By: >>5841670

>>5841659
I fucking hate rivers. And I hope Pollux apologizes now that he knows this is the sort of bullshit we have to go through all the time.

>>5841660
Yeah we're slow, but Teukros, Pollux, and Castor are all fast as fuck. And since this would have been a "mass" footrace I can only imagine it'd be more than Teukie chasing him down.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:42:36 No.5841668 Report

Quoted By: >>5841710

>>5841659
Can we just, I don't know, throw the javelin backward to just hurt him?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:45:50 No.5841670 Report

Quoted By: >>5841674

>>5841666
I counter by saying it is normally it is easier to hit a fleeing target as they can't see behind them, our last spear throw was successful, and I like the idea of us being the first Greek to spill Trojan blood.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:47:21 No.5841674 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841670
Oh I mean I'd prefer to catch him, because more hostages is always good. But killing him is fine too. I don't mind it. Fuck this family for putting us on this dumbass trip. We had to hang out with Odysseus because of it. Gross.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:51:39 No.5841681 Report

Quoted By: >>5841688 >>5841696 >>5841710

>>5841660

Nikandros is about to be ordered to throw a javelin at a named bastard son of Priam, on Trojan soil, in full view of Trojan-aligned divinities. And then he wants to break into the Royal Palace tonight. And then he wants to attend (almost certainly) multiple days of diplomatic council face-to-face with Priam.

You shouldn’t be happy - Nikon’s chances of dying before the war are rising with every update!!!

Nikon will have the opportunity to choose between following Pollux’s order OR disobeying that order during the next update.

I would strongly encourage all players to consider what is more valuable to Nikandros - the respect of Pollux or survival. Lurkers, now would be the time to register with a meme and make your voice heard

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:55:26 No.5841688 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841681
Oh we get a choice? Neat. Let's grab him. Well, that's how I'll vote at least. This guy only seems to have a +1 to AGI so Nikon is just as fast, and Teukie is much faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 20:57:56 No.5841696 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841681
I appreciate the response and the fact that you did so at all has impressed some level of severity of the situation.

I will revise and say that we should aim to wound and then hope that Castor can medic him so that we can also take him hostage. How many bastards does Priam have? I guess a lot. Also, the neriad did not even know we were there until she saw us. My guess is everyone including the gods thinks this was Pollux's idea (which to be fair it was technically) and we are just on for the ride.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:09:37 No.5841710 Report

Quoted By: >>5841719 >>5841722

>>5841681
I'm echoing >>5841668, why not do this? Sure, with Nik's strength it'll still very likely fuck up Dius but shouldn't be immediately lethal...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:16:58 No.5841719 Report

Quoted By: >>5841722

>>5841710
Well you can't really through a javelin backwards. The ass end would be heavier and trailing so it would start to tumble. Physics is kind of weird like that. And we have at minimum a +6 to damage. So the spear probably has d4 damage. This guy starts at 8 HP and we don't know what his CON is so while the odds aren't too bad for his survival, they aren't necessarily good, either.

Unless we're allowed to throw at half-strength. Which seems reasonable to me. But I am not in charge. Pollux seems to expect us to kill the guy here, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:18:41 No.5841722 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841710
>>5841719
I forgot to mention, if we throw at half strength we'd not only be doing half damage mod, but half penetrate mod to beat his block roll.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:36:57 No.5841737 Report

Quoted By: >>5841744 >>5841746 >>5841747 >>5841749 >>5841753 >>5841756 >>5841760 >>5841769 >>5841770 >>5841771 >>5841780 >>5841818 >>5841859 >>5841905 >>5841916

D

I said 10pm earlier for this update, but we’re already way behind schedule, fuck it

Teukros leaps out of his chariot at Pollux’s word, but his advance along the bridge is hampered by the equine chaos before him - he has to dodge under flashing kicks and vicious bites, scrambling between Dius’ horse cart and the stone wall of the bridge.

Dius, meanwhile, is beginning to sprint northeast along the far bank of Scamandros - no doubt he hopes to put distance between himself and your group, and then cross by foot while the chariots are stuck upon the bridge.

You, meanwhile, are frantically scanning the waters of the Scamandros for the naiad, a Salaminian javelin in hand - you can’t be sure that she is not lurking for a second strike. Pollux has leapt from the chariot and with Castor, they are disentangling the warring horses, calming them with expert technique.

You hear a frantic shout from Dius, and turn just in time to watch Teukros take him from behind with a vicious sliding kick against his shins - they topple together into a wild scramble in the river reeds. Dius fights wildly, clearly untrained - but catches Teukros across the jaw with a careening left hook. Teukros stumbles backwards, rolling downslope and nearly into the river. Dius is escaping!

Pollux, seeing the same events unfold and occupied with the horses, screams up at you from your position atop the chariot -

“THESSALIAN, BRING HIM DOWN!”

You are paralyzed - by killing a member of Priam’s royal family, you lose diplomatic protection and thus open yourself up to retribution. If you disobey Pollux, you damage your relationship with the man at a critical time - during a heist to save the man’s sister, with all of Hellas hanging in the balance.

>what do, /qst/? This may be the most consequential vote of the thread. This vote will close at 10pm

>cast javelin at Dius at full strength. This maximizes your chances of taking him down.

>cast javelin at half-strength. This maximizes Dius’ chances of survival, but significantly increases the chances that he escapes.

>disobey Pollux and hope that Teukros can bring him down a second time.

>something else?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:41:23 No.5841744 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912

>>5841737
>cast javelin at half-strength. This maximizes Dius’ chances of survival, but significantly increases the chances that he escapes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:42:42 No.5841746 Report

Quoted By: >>5841750 >>5841771 >>5841905 >>5841912

>>5841737
>Throw a rock, either one we carry or quickly off the ground, as hard as we can at Duis legs to trip him up.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:43:07 No.5841747 Report

Quoted By: >>5841769

>>5841737
>>cast javelin at half-strength. This maximizes Dius’ chances of survival, but significantly increases the chances that he escapes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:43:45 No.5841748 Report

Quoted By:

Whatever we do we cannot fail.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:44:12 No.5841749 Report

Quoted By: >>5841771

>>5841737
>>cast javelin at half-strength. This maximizes Dius’ chances of survival, but significantly increases the chances that he escapes.
Oh, we can't chase him with Teukros. Too far away I guess. Lame. Well, I want to hobble him. If we do that he just can't escape, Teukie will be on his ass.

Teukros does get one extra attempt regardless, right? Or does he only get another chance if we just sit on our hands?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:44:40 No.5841750 Report

Quoted By: >>5841755 >>5841758

>>5841746
There are loose rocks on this bridgt QM?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:46:13 No.5841752 Report

Quoted By:

I considered
>>cast javelin at half-strength. This maximizes Dius’ chances of survival, but significantly increases the chances that he escapes.

But I did not like the word significant. Can we instruct Teukros that if we miss he has to be the one to secure the takedown?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:46:15 No.5841753 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912

>>5841737
>cast javelin at half-strength. This maximizes Dius’ chances of survival, but significantly increases the chances that he escapes.

Inb4 nat 20 his head explodes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:47:48 No.5841755 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841750
I assumed from the horses going crazy or that we just carry stone on us either for game/stone work practice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:49:59 No.5841756 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912

>>5841737
>>cast javelin at half-strength. This maximizes Dius’ chances of survival, but significantly increases the chances that he escapes.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:53:50 No.5841758 Report

Quoted By: >>5841769 >>5841771 >>5841781

>>5841750

For a commoner? No.

For a demigod with a STR of 18? Yes. Nikon could tear loose a fist-sized stone from the bridge and huck it. He would be intentionally choosing a smaller than normal stone and it would deal 1d1+6 damage.

However, Nikon would need to spend an extra second or two tearing the storm loose, and so I would represent this mechanically by giving Dius a small +2 bonus to his defense roll.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Fri 24 Nov 2023 21:56:04 No.5841760 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912 >>5841916

>>5841737
>cast javelin at half-strength. This maximizes Dius’ chances of survival, but significantly increases the chances that he escapes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Fri 24 Nov 2023 22:01:39 No.5841769 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912

>>5841758
>>5841747
>>5841737

Change my vote then

>Rock the fucker

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 22:02:03 No.5841770 Report

Quoted By: >>5841796

>>5841737
>cast javelin at half-strength. This maximizes Dius’ chances of survival, but significantly increases the chances that he escapes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 22:02:50 No.5841771 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912

>>5841758
Mechanically that would give us 1 point less penalty to hit, and guarantee at best an absolutely mangling but not fatal blow. Ouchie. You know what, I'll switch to it

>>5841749
>>5841746
>>5841737
Rock lobster. if this is a trap option and he has -1 HP bonus from low con I'll cry at you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Fri 24 Nov 2023 22:08:46 No.5841780 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912

>>5841737
>Something else?
Throw the javelin butt-end first at three-fourths strength.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Fri 24 Nov 2023 22:09:07 No.5841781 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841758
I feel that even if he hold back the odds of killing the bastard provided we hit will still kill him.

Just a reminder that even if we used an inferior spear we would still roll 1d4+6 and something tells me Pollux's spears are not inferior. Even if we hold back it can likely still slay.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 22:21:13 No.5841796 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912

>>5841770
Actually, I change my vote to throwing a rock.
Even if it gives Dius a +2, Nikon still has a +6.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Fri 24 Nov 2023 22:46:56 No.5841818 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912

>>5841737
>disobey Pollux and hope that Teukros can bring him down a second time.
Sorry dude, if throw our javelin our chances of dying go up to the sky.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 23:07:10 No.5841834 Report

Quoted By: >>5841839 >>5841843

What is Castor doing was he also not close enough to help in wrestling Dius down?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 24 Nov 2023 23:12:50 No.5841839 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841834
Presumably he was handling the horses so they wouldn't freak out from the other horses freaking out. Still wish he'd have jumped on to help. Not like the horses would have been able to go anywhere fast when hitched to a chariot and trapped on a bridge.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Fri 24 Nov 2023 23:15:18 No.5841843 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841834

He was busy disentangling the horses (which Pollux later joined him in doing).

Unfortunately, Castor doesn’t have his bow (it’s on the Salaminian ship), he’s slower than Teukros, and he’s not a good javelin-tosser, so Pollux let him do what he is doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Fri 24 Nov 2023 23:37:58 No.5841859 Report

Quoted By: >>5841912

>>5841737
>Throw rock at Dius
Seems a better option that half-assing the spear or risking mercing him

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sat 25 Nov 2023 00:48:10 No.5841905 Report

Quoted By: >>5841908 >>5841914

>>5841746
>>5841737
Bless you fellow rock Chad
>YEET ROCK. WE BRING HIM DOWN POLLUX YUS. PRAISE GRANDPA

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 00:51:40 No.5841908 Report

Quoted By: >>5841909 >>5842783

>>5841905
Thanks. This quest has shown then whenever there is a viable opportunity to throw a rock that is what we will probably end up voting on, that we have uncommonly done well when throwing walks, that throwing rocks usually saves our life, and that technically we are not disobeying Pollus since he did not tell us to actually throw a spear.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 00:53:05 No.5841909 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841908
*rocks. I sincerely wish I was not so tired and that we could edit posts on this site especially when phone posting.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 00:59:09 No.5841912 Report

Quoted By:

2 hour warning/tally

Toss a softball

>>5841744
>>5841753
>>5841756
>>5841760

Toss a rockball

>>5841746
>>5841769
>>5841771
>>5841796
>>5841859

Contrarian vote

>>5841780

Do nothing and hope for the best

>>5841796
>>5841818

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:00:13 No.5841914 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841905

Oops I missed this rockball vote but it has been noted

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:03:35 No.5841916 Report

Quoted By: >>5841921

>>5841760
>>5841737
I'll switch my vote to rock.
At this point even if we never get a sling we should just carry around a satchel of baseball sized rocks anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:09:16 No.5841921 Report

Quoted By: >>5841922

>>5841916
What's our carrying capacity for rocks anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:11:04 No.5841922 Report

Quoted By: >>5841952

>>5841921
More than a few less than a ton.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:34:44 No.5841952 Report

Quoted By: >>5841953 >>5841955

>>5841922
All right, let's do some maffs. A typical sedimentary rock density is ~2.8g/cc. A typical baseball of 7.5cm diameter has a volume of 1767.15cc, so would weigh 4,948g if made of rock. Therefore, if we were carrying one tonne of ammunition, that would be 202 rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i7Or0qpt Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:36:48 No.5841953 Report

Quoted By: >>5841954 >>5841955

>>5841952
Uh, shit, I used diameter instead of radius. It's actually 1,617 rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MqukRnSn Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:38:47 No.5841954 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841953
>Not even 2000 rocks

We need to upgrade the Giant Trail now

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:39:06 No.5841955 Report

Quoted By: >>5841967 >>5841976

>>5841952
>>5841953
Well you see the problem isn't the weight, it's the volume. They take space. And having a bigass bag on your hip or back does get in the way of stuff. And the limit of the material used to make the bag also hinders the amount it can carry before it rips.

Carrying a stone or two? Easy. Carrying fifty? Major hassle.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:54:24 No.5841966 Report

Quoted By: >>5841967

Really thinking about it, I could probably carry about 6 or 7 baseballs without it really becoming an annoyance to fling around while doing things, Nikon's about half a foot taller than me, so I figure he could carry about 9 or 10 with the same ease of movement.

Compared to how many javelins a person can carry, that's really a huge jump. Since if you weren't on a chariot you'd have to carry them behind your shield or in your main hand. Which would mean only a few at best. Granted the javelins would have higher individual damage potential, you'd have more than double the number of shots. Of course, being on a chariot you can line up javelins a lot easier along the thing and depending on the size of the chariot, and the fact they can be bundled that way, you could get 20 or so, maybe more on a chariot.

The real kicker is ease of logistics. Broken javelins might take a week or so to replace. More if you want them brought over from Greece proper. But a decent approximation of a fist sized stone can be found basically anywhere with rocks. Fun.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 01:57:20 No.5841967 Report

Quoted By: >>5841971

>>5841955
>>5841966

I do plan on giving you guys a “sling training” option if you select any of the Tier 0 combat traits (although it would come at the cost of another combat skill)

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 02:01:03 No.5841971 Report

Quoted By: >>5841978

>>5841967
There's already so many good choices for traits that we can't possibly get them all, stop making the decisions harder kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sat 25 Nov 2023 02:02:29 No.5841976 Report

Quoted By: >>5841985

>>5841955
i'm sure there's some divine trinket that would let us carry enough.

or we somehow digievolve into an Hecatoncheires of the hundred arms so we maximize the firepower

anyway i support the rock throw, even a slight hobbling would stop the fucker.

besides Priam's got 50 legit sons (and who knows how many daughters) would he really care for a bastard?
would he order us to marry one of his grandaughters to replace the loss with grandgrandchildren in a cruel twist of fate leaving us married and Deianira husbandless??

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sat 25 Nov 2023 02:03:53 No.5841978 Report

Quoted By: >>5841985

>>5841971
We might not even live long enough to be able to pick up a new one, we are going to the belly of the beast afterall

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 02:14:03 No.5841985 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841976
>i'm sure there's some divine trinket that would let us carry enough.
>bag of stone ensmallening
>makes stones smaller
>do not put your nads in the bag

>>5841978
That's quitter talk. We're about to level up in about 46 minutes. Trust.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 03:31:28 No.5842052 Report

Quoted By: >>5842058 >>5842072 >>5842073 >>5842079 >>5842084 >>5842225

Rolled 9, 2, 18 + 2 = 31 (3d20 + 2)

With Pollux’s voice ringing in your ears, you evaluate your options – and find them wanting. You cannot quite summon the courage to cast Salaminian ash at the fleeing Trojan. Neither can you risk disobedience to the greater of the Dioscuri; not with the possibility of a raid upon the Royal Palace of Ilion later tonight.

You choose the third option – your own.

You step heavily off the borrowed chariot, and lay your massive hands upon the stones of the bridge wall. It’s trivial to find a loose stone amongst the weathered construction, and tear it loose. It is even simpler to smash it against the flooring into fragments. You scoop one such piece, roughly spherical, and prepare to cast.

Dius is growing distant - he is no sprinter, but even the common nobleman can move quickly if his life is at risk.

Pollux is screaming at you, having finally separated the two horse-teams with Castor’s assistance.

“WHAT ARE YOU DOING? CAST NOW!”

You measure the distance, heft the stone - you smell the air and sense the wind. At these distances, such minor variables can make the difference between success and failure. You explode forwards, and the stone rockets out of your right hand, flying into a low arc at incredible speed…

>/qst/, give me three rolls of dice+1d20+6
>I’m rolling for Dius - he has a standard CON (poor guy is specced for social), but he gets the +2 bonus I had mentioned before

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Sat 25 Nov 2023 03:41:12 No.5842058 Report

Quoted By: >>5842080

Rolled 12 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5842052

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:PNVHtMC4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 03:59:05 No.5842072 Report

Quoted By: >>5842080

Rolled 10 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5842052

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sat 25 Nov 2023 04:00:58 No.5842073 Report

Quoted By: >>5842080 >>5842225

Rolled 13 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5842052
Nat 20 go

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sat 25 Nov 2023 04:07:07 No.5842079 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842052
>Our prayer to grandpa... get us there?
I failed us rock bros. I'm sorry...

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 04:07:09 No.5842080 Report

Quoted By: >>5842097

>>5842058
>>5842072
>>5842073

Nikon blows the toss. Sad!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sat 25 Nov 2023 04:17:00 No.5842084 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 3 + 6 (1d20 + 6)

>>5842052

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 04:28:52 No.5842097 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842080
I blame the gods. Well, at least we know we would have missed with a half-strength toss as well.

Is Teukros still trying to get up? I hope the river isn't eating him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 04:35:31 No.5842104 Report

Quoted By:

Seriously though if Dius gets away Pollux has no one to blame but himself. The horses were the LEAST pressing matter. We could have literally cut the cart's horses loose and shoved the cart over into the river to get it out of the way and freed all the horses from each other with deft knifework on any tangled reins/yoke. He could have thrown a spear as well. Yet he is going to bitch at us regardless. Because he is brash Pollux. He's a good man, but damn. Now we'll feel what Castor has to deal with all the time kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 06:20:08 No.5842225 Report

Quoted By: >>5842229

>>5842052
>>5842073
I'm very surprised that we did not get a slight bonus from Dius fleeing/Teukros' assistance with his back to us. We barely missed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 06:22:45 No.5842229 Report

Quoted By: >>5842230

>>5842225
Alternatively, I hope Teukros still gets to roll or that we can explain to Pollus that we calculated the distance and had we thrown a spear it would either have missed or landed with such force it would have slain him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 06:24:15 No.5842230 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842229
Since we missed by literally 1 I like to think one of the deities present just threw a gust of wind at it or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 06:30:28 No.5842244 Report

Quoted By: >>5842246

Can't Pollux use that immortal horse of his and run down Dius?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 06:32:54 No.5842246 Report

Quoted By: >>5842256

>>5842244
He'd have to unhitch him. Takes time. I'm assuming this is less "Dius reaches Paris" and more "Dius gets far enough that Paris and co. hear him screaming".

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 06:37:48 No.5842256 Report

Quoted By: >>5842270

>>5842246
Maybe we'll get to see the system Lesches has whipped up for chariot combat.
I don't know if after this Nikon will get any chance to do Petteia gambling with the nobles of Troy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 06:43:20 No.5842270 Report

Quoted By: >>5842276

>>5842256
With every step we take, we move further from being the happy hero who plays board games and throws rocks. The war hasn't even started and I already tire of these "people". The foolish kings and T r o j a n s all suck. The only people we get along with are princes and bastards.

Man I hope Teukie isn't currently getting drowned by that stupid fucking river whore.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 06:45:48 No.5842276 Report

Quoted By: >>5842282

>>5842270
>With every step we take, we move further from being the happy hero who plays board games and throws rocks.
When you put it like this, Nira and Nikon really are siblings. Except no one has drowned yet, expect maybe Teukie.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 06:48:25 No.5842282 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842276
>When you put it like this, Nira and Nikon really are siblings
Let no one cast aspersions upon their heritage kek. They suffer together, even when apart.

>Except no one has drowned yet, expect maybe Teukie.
I would actually vote to ignore all the bullshit going on around us, hand Pollux a dose of Nepenthe, tell him to fuck off and save his sister, then march along the river to find the bitch and murder her. Odds be damned. Danger be damned.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 10:59:30 No.5842506 Report

Quoted By:

You know if Pollux does talk shit about us not just immediately going to murder this guy at his command and you really want to piss him off just tell him that we don't have the benefit of protection from our father and must always find our own way to survive. Guarantee you that will make him push our teeth in but damn will he hate hearing it. I'm sure he's heard it before of course. But still. The implication is basically attacking his self-worth after all.

I do wonder how insults work though. Like not just the normal bants but REALLY spicy ones. Do they proc a kleos check or a will check? We've seen they can damage kleos, but I assume that's just what happens when you take them lying down, if you can respond with an equally or more scathing remark it probably deals kleos damage back. Or maybe you both take the damage? Curious. Not that I want to try and engage in such behavior to find out. We'd probably die.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 12:27:28 No.5842569 Report

Quoted By: >>5842585 >>5842590 >>5842597 >>5842601

Your stone sails through the arid afternoon air, spinning end over end, as Dius sprints - his figure becoming smaller and smaller as he leaps over muddy ditches and reeds. You groan in disappointment when you see that you have underestimated Dius’ speed, and your stone falls short, tearing a long gouge into the soft earth of the river back. Dius himself calls something back to your group, but the Luwian is garbled by his panting and by the distance – Teukros isn’t sure what he has said, either.

Pollux wheels back to you, and scowling in frustration -

“Nikandros – when I said “take him down”, I did not mean “waste precious time with ROCKS!” You immediately sense that you have lost respect in the eyes of Pollux – you say nothing, hoping to avoid further breach of relationship with him. He glowers at you for a moment more before continuing to maneuver the horse-teams into the appropriate locations.

>Nikandros has damaged his respect level with Pollux!

Dius continues to flee, vanishing behind a copse of riverside trees – you lose sight of his scarlet robes quickly. In a minute more, Pollux and Castor have arranged the chariots and Dius’ horse-cart along the pathway, facing south. Pollux is already delivering new orders, as he unlashes Arion, his enormous black stallion, from your shared chariot.

“I will be retrieving Dius. Teukros, you will ride in the horse-cart, Castor, you will take your chariot. Nikandros…” Pollux sighs in irritation here, “you will ride last in our chariot, with only three horses. Do your best to keep up. I will hitch Arion to our chariot once more when I return.”

You keep your face carefully neutral as you nod in understanding. Teukros offers you a subtle shrug, offering his condolences, but there’s little time for conversation by the roadside, with afternoon passing you by. You each set off as once, as Pollux canters away, Salaminian ash spears in hand. You see that your attempt to spare Dius’ life has only guaranteed his death. Dius' chances to avoid the greater of the Dioscuri, on the back of a magic horse, are close to zero. You try not to quail as you consider the implications of the murder of a beloved bastard son of Priam on the day before the diplomatic council.

As you set off, you quickly calculate the time needed for travel. Mount Ida looms before you - it would be a difficult, but not impossible, to ride back to sacred Ilion in a single night, but obviously, delays in the afternoon will delay your return...If you return to Ilion and the sun has risen, your proposed palace raid becomes much more uncertain.

>Okay, /qst/ - I need a new dice+1d20 roll to determine the party’s speed as they move south. Nikon only has three steeds on his chariot, and Teukros is pushing his horse-cart as fast as he can, but it’s not a quick mode of transport.
>You guys are looking to beat an 8, or else more bad things will start happening.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 12:41:46 No.5842585 Report

Quoted By: >>5842590 >>5842593 >>5842594 >>5842597 >>5842856 >>5845415

Rolled 20 (1d20)

>>5842569
Please.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 12:43:14 No.5842590 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842569
>>5842585
What were you saying about it not being a quick mode of transportation? I guess we just regained our lost respect by commanding these horses like our men to exceed mortal limits.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 12:45:32 No.5842593 Report

Quoted By: >>5842597

>>5842585

Well, I'll be darned. You guys fly the wind and definitely make up for the slow pace in the morning... Update at 2pm EST today.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sat 25 Nov 2023 12:46:06 No.5842594 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842585
Dear Pollux, you are a hotheaded bastard, Castor's patience is boundless.

Thank you anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 12:47:17 No.5842597 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842569
>>5842585
>>5842593
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MUhf9DSXTQ

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sat 25 Nov 2023 12:51:27 No.5842601 Report

Quoted By: >>5842606

>>5842569
I wanted to half throw the spear because I imagined Pollux would be angry even if we succeed with a rock throw. But he probably would be angry with a half throw as well because we didn't go all out anyway.
Involving the Dioscuri as probably the biggest mistake we made. Pollux has done nothing but give us headaches in this mission.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Sat 25 Nov 2023 13:00:44 No.5842606 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842601
>spoiler
I absolutely agree. But the worst part is that it's not over yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sat 25 Nov 2023 14:04:36 No.5842653 Report

Quoted By: >>5842673

Hindsight 20/20 but I have to wonder...
Was there any point in trying to spare Dius' life? Yeah yeah, murder would remove any diplomatic protection, of course - but frankly so will kidnapping Paris. And besides, would we spare the lives of Paris' hunting party and risk them returning to Troy and revealing what happened at the worst possible time?
Blegh, this entire situation is an uncontrollable spiral of events, isn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sat 25 Nov 2023 14:20:51 No.5842673 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842653
it would have been better to just show up on the mountain with Teukros say to Paris that his dad sent him there so he could give Helen away and win or fail nobody could blame us for the shitshow.

but it is what it is and this is the way the rock rolls.
so buckle up, for every ride can be Nikon's last and glory waits for nobody.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 14:35:00 No.5842679 Report

Quoted By: >>5842689

I really want to get through this module ASAP, I'm nervous about our timetable here. I wasn't planning for this!!

You set off to the south, and unlike before – every hoofbeat seems to add to your momentum, every prod of your goad prompts an instantaneous reaction from your team of Antenoridae steeds. Once again, you feel like a bowl set adrift upon the river current, bobbing this way and that – without control, you go where the water wills you. Whatever divinity that stood in your path previously must have been countermanded by a higher one. The horses, now brimming with the energy held back from them earlier in the morning, fly down dusty paths, barely touching the earth. In two hours, you cover more distance than in the six hours previous – you have the sense of racing downhill as you head south, although you know this to be an illusion.

When Pollux returns atop Arion, he is alone – he carries only blood-stained Salaminian ash, and a bundle of damp scarlet fabric that you recognize as Dius’ garb. His fingernails carry the traces and residues of dried river mud – hastily cleaned. Your mind fills in the details – Pollux ran down Dius, killed him, stripped his clothes and Phyrigian hat, and then dug a shallow grave by the riverside to hide the body within. He then washed the scarlet robes of blood, before riding to meet with you. You grimace, but there is nothing to be done about it now.

Pollux tosses the scarlet bundle to Teukros – who quickly adorns the clothing of the dead man. The familial relationship serves him well – you suspect that Paris or his men would have to be quite close to Teukros before he spots the imposter. Pollux, now grim with determination, says little – he joins you on your chariot, but he still burns with fading anger. You say nothing to him as you ride, fearful of additional castigation.

Pollux is impatient now – there are only a few hours before twilight begins. With the recent burst of speed, it is possible to arrive back in the Royal Palace a few hours after midnight, if all goes well. He pushes for ever-greater speed, and this time, the horses do not flag. You catch Pollux praying at one point – his eyes closed and face upturned towards the blue sky – no doubt he is thanking his father for assistance. Ida grows all the while as you ride – you draw near to the storied peaks of Gargarus, daubed white with frost even in mid-summer - that peak which scrapes the heavens of the Troad.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 14:39:47 No.5842681 Report

Quoted By: >>5842689

Just after twilight falls, Castor, breaker of horses, spots it – about a hundred strides off the path, and just before the slopes of Ida begin to rise - a large tent, dyed royal purple and deep blue – propped up by multiple poles, aglow with ruddy, flickering light of campfire. By its side, you see multiple teams of carts and chariots – perhaps twenty-five horses in total. Even better – you see an extravagant palanquin-cart. It is no doubt Paris’ litter, a comfortable lounge that he can rest upon while traveling. It seems that they have stopped short of the ascent of Ida – preferring to rest and then hike tomorrow morning. There’s no obvious sentries present – this part of the Troad is almost certainly quite safe from banditry, this close to Ilion. You do some quick calculations – by the number of horses and carts, there are at minimum ten Trojans present, and perhaps as many as thirty, besides Paris himself. Pollux quickly orders the teams off the pathway, hiding them under the brush on the opposing side of the path.

These Trojans are almost certainly nobility, like Dius – and perhaps other bastards of Priam and their attendants. In practice, this means that your group of four is almost certainly outnumbered by a wide margin. You consider the possibility of an outright ambush – but immediately discard it – your team of four might be successful at first, but unarmored, your force would be quickly swamped by Trojans, or turned into pincushions – the men of Ilion are on a hunting expedition and therefore you anticipate the men to be well-armed with bows and arrows both.

Pollux does not have your military genius – but catching his eye, you see that he has come to the same conclusion – decades of experience in ambushing, raiding, and abduction granting him the same accurate assessment as yourself. No words are exchanged between you, but you see Pollux reach the only reasonable conclusion: deception.

Pollux is quick to explain his strategy:

Teukros, wearing Dius’ robes, will approach in the darkening twilight. The horse-cart itself will carry yourself, Pollux and Castor, under the hide tarp. Teukros must somehow lure Paris himself to the ox-cart, at which point yourself and Pollux will leap out, gag and bind the prince, and then Teukros will quickly reverse course. With luck, it may be several minutes before Paris’ absence is noted, and by that time, your teams will be speeding north once more. It’s likely that a search party will be sent out, and they may even overtake you on the way back to Ilion – it’s possible that more of Priam’s royal family dies tonight.

Pollux add:

“We cannot allow Paris to speak – he is godlike in his beauty and grace; more persuasive than he has any right to be. We must silence him so that he cannot call out to his brothers or weaken our resolve.” Pollux’s simmering wrath is still intimidating, as he draws up this plan.

>cont

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sat 25 Nov 2023 14:53:42 No.5842689 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842679
>>5842681
So short of a miracle we are killing Paris here after all. I doubt we can stop both Pollux and Castor.
This is bad. The war will start due to this, but we won't be able to participate even if we manage to survive and run away. The Dioscuri will get away with a slap on the wrist due to their daddy, but if we show up in the army, or even back home, the greeks would just hand us over to stop the fighting.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 14:57:08 No.5842693 Report

Quoted By: >>5842698 >>5842704 >>5842708 >>5842798

Rolled 18, 1, 1, 9, 16, 9 = 54 (6d20)

Teukros risks a question:

"Lord Pollux, what do you know of Paris? What deception is most likely to lure him from the tent?"

Pollux considers briefly, before Castor responds instead:

"We did not know him well, while he was at Menelaus' court - we did not find him interesting, truthfully. A pampered foreign prince, and a man who avoided manful pursuits. We spoke with him several times, but frankly, I found him to be a bit slow, with a dawdling mind." Pollux nods in agreement at his brother's words, adding only -

"A fair accounting, Castor. Best that we take a moment to develop an appropriate fiction for Teukros to deliver on his approach. I caution each of you - we need Paris to be alive to secure entry into the Royal Palace, and locate my sister."

>I'm rolling for Pollux (+1 bonus), Castor (+4 bonus), and Teukros (+2 bonus) respectively to invent a lie or deception that will lure Paris and Paris alone to the horse-cart. The highest roller wins!
>from the players - I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+5 for Nikon's suggestion. Nikon has a chance to undo his reputational loss with Pollux earlier if he provides the best plan (and it actually works). A smart write-in will provide an additional context bonus to Nikon's roll. I'll provide a short two-hour window (until 12pm EST) for these write-ins.
>Once the ploy is developed, Teukros will approach the campsite and attempt to sell the deception to Paris' and his team of Trojan hunters.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:02:44 No.5842698 Report

Quoted By: >>5842709

Rolled 7 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5842693
Dice please don't fail me now

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:YE5zr9Eh Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:11:56 No.5842704 Report

Quoted By: >>5842709

Rolled 5 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5842693

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:YE5zr9Eh Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:14:04 No.5842708 Report

Quoted By: >>5842712

>>5842693
>Nikon has a chance to undo his reputational loss with Pollux earlier if he provides the best plan (and it actually works)

Plan about what?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:CNQx3s35 Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:14:34 No.5842709 Report

Quoted By: >>5842713

>>5842698
>>5842704

Nikon blows it yet again. However, Pollux rolled pretty high (19), so the plan he provides to Teukros is a good one, and will provide a moderate bonus to Teukros’s performance

Next update for 2pm or so.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:CNQx3s35 Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:16:56 No.5842712 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842708

Oops I wasn’t clear in my update - Teukros is being ordered to bait Paris out of his tents and hopefully separate him from his companions, so that you guys can kidnap him.

Nikon was rolling to develop a lie that would accomplish the above and provide a reason to come alone to Teukros’ horsecart

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:19:59 No.5842713 Report

Quoted By: >>5842716

>>5842709
Being Nikon is suffering.
I have the rough outline of a plan but even with an additional bonus I don't think we'd come close to matching Pollux's roll.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:21:16 No.5842714 Report

Quoted By:

Atleast Pollux is pulling his weight finally.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:22:38 No.5842716 Report

Quoted By: >>5842730

>>5842713

Yes, that’s unfortunately the case. The context bonus was going to be between +2 to +4, but even with a stellar write-in, Pollux has the better idea.

For better or worse, Nikandros called in the Dioscuri, and now this mission is Pollux’s show to run.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:34:26 No.5842730 Report

Quoted By: >>5842737 >>5842738

>>5842716
The only better I can see now is the extra rolls that two more people grants us.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:39:47 No.5842737 Report

Quoted By: >>5842802 >>5842804 >>5842890 >>5842927

>>5842730

That’s definitely true, but anons shouldn’t be too down - remember that the palace raid itself is Nik’s idea, and if largely successful, Nik stands to benefit in multiple ways.

If it fails, though…

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Sat 25 Nov 2023 15:41:50 No.5842738 Report

Quoted By: >>5842890

>>5842730
If there is any fairness Paris will be drunk and have to roll int which is likely hid weakest stat to see through our deception. And let’s be real here. Everyone will think that this was Polux’s idea which it was. Wink wink.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 16:33:21 No.5842783 Report

Quoted By:

>>5841908
....we already had the javelins in our hands.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 16:50:31 No.5842798 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842693
Cant think of anything here.

I was thinking a distraction but it would only alert the troyan prince men. The details about the camp dont help much. Nikandros isn't particulary stealthy and without education is intelligence cannot help, there was alsono bare minum prep or thinking for how to approach this. Maybe if Teukros could put us near the cart, two troyan guards us and Pollux could gut them by the throats with our knives and use their equipment. By this i mean a full sudden thrust from the back with no way of making a noise.

I was also considering to have Teukros offer food or drink for shut up the prince.
Also Pollux doesn't consider that even if we take Paris, the guards will at a point search for him and we would be going away.

So that need to be resolved with either an entire fire around the tent for kill all the guards, simply the Prince ordering to get back to the palace for everyone, or buying time with saying a lie like the Prince took a nap when in reality its in our cart.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 16:56:00 No.5842802 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842737
No I am definetly down anyway. Because we have no prep for this, we are doing all of this on the moment. Nikandros made the palace raid idea, but its lets be honest a very vague idea. Barely sticking on a wall, he didn't truly prepare it nevermind finish it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 16:56:48 No.5842804 Report

Quoted By: >>5842813

>>5842737
>Nik stands to benefit in multiple ways.
A level-up in the cards?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 17:05:12 No.5842813 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842804
The true upgrades, level ones were already guaranteed with the end of Troy travel, are the share amount of prestige, renown, Kleos and Wealth that could be gained if they are successfull. And aren't killed or captured.
There is also the problem that the other side of the greek expedition knows nothing of this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 17:13:15 No.5842823 Report

Quoted By:

In fact we need to think on how to get the rest of the expedition away somehow, if we are successfull. Otherwise they will be imprisoned or killed.
While i don't like Memelaus or Odysseus, it would be foolish to allow to leave them here. They are more useful alive and in a conflict.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sat 25 Nov 2023 17:35:29 No.5842856 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842585
Praise being on hard packed earth and stone. Grandpa saw our plight

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 17:59:09 No.5842890 Report

Quoted By: >>5842921

>>5842738
I wonder if Pollux will ever realize that Nikon didn't even have any compulsion other than his own choice to inform the Dioscuri about Par*s' location. If he does it probably won't be tonight. Yet here we remain being treated like a fool for still trying at least to get the best outcome. And then we get to make eye contact with Castor and see nothing but Ares' own rage in them. What a night. Next time we're just letting everyone else fuck everything up. This is a pain in the ass.

>>5842737
>but anons shouldn’t be too down
You sure do say that a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 18:31:06 No.5842921 Report

Quoted By: >>5842932

>>5842890
The rock was foolish though.
I like the memes, and i don't mind using rocks but it was foolish. There is no justification for Pollux eyes, when we had a javelin in our hand that we could throw right there and then. Instead Nikandros lost time searching and taking one stone from the bridge.
Beside a stone could still kill like a javelin, if not being even more lethal if it doesn't immediately kill.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sat 25 Nov 2023 18:37:03 No.5842927 Report

Quoted By: >>5843007 >>5843041

>>5842737
Weren't we supposed to get a level up once we got to Troy? Or are we waiting for something else?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 18:40:27 No.5842932 Report

Quoted By: >>5842947

>>5842921
We know that mechanically the stone would not be fatal. Even though the characters can't see that because they don't have a game-ified view of their world. But it was absolute NOT foolish for us as players. It was in fact a better choice than the javelin by all metrics unless we wanted to full send it and potentially kill him.

Does Pollux understand this? No. But he also is extremely brash and headstrong so he may have been upset by us not throwing to kill Dius as well, which was going to win the vote had there been no rock choice. Pollux is going to be very high strung regardless because he is trying to save his sister. Any half measures or failures are going to grind on him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 18:41:01 No.5842933 Report

Quoted By: >>5842960

In Pollux eyes we didn't use a weapon already in our hand, we hesitated, and then lost time for pick a stone.

Nikandros cant even say a word about this right now by how actually embarassing it is.
He looks like a dumbfuck.
And the thing is if does a similar decision again ? His Kleos might get butchered not just friendship.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 18:47:15 No.5842947 Report

Quoted By: >>5842955

>>5842932
Mechanically yes
But for Pollux it wasn't. Eitherway maybe this will all quickly pass away if we do something that he appreciates.
But I am bit negative that it will happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 18:54:57 No.5842955 Report

Quoted By: >>5842959

>>5842947
Well Pollux can stuff it. He could murder Paris here and put him in a ditch and still get away with little to no repercussion. Nikon couldn't even shove the little shit in view of his family without getting his arms broken. I kind of don't even want to try to explain it to him if we get the chance later. It'll just proc a roll that we will inevitably fail anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:00:44 No.5842959 Report

Quoted By: >>5842971

>>5842955
Yeah he could, beside the troyans wanting him dead he would be safe. Nikandros yeah.
I agree explaining this will never work.

Anyway we should do something about the guards. We can't have them follow us if we just rapidly leave with Paris, and even if we don't leave rapidly they will check were is their Prince if there is no reasonable lie for no do so.
Our attempt to enter the palace can end shortly if this guards discover the treachery and arrive at the city.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:OyN9x3E8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:01:01 No.5842960 Report

Quoted By: >>5842984 >>5842985 >>5846011

>>5842933
That’s how memes fuck with actual common sense. Like the rock meme is funny, but it’s also retarded trying to turn every option into a variation of “me throw rock” or “me talk about rocks” like a caveman. The meme has had it’s time to shine, now let it go.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:08:43 No.5842971 Report

Quoted By: >>5842988 >>5842990 >>5842991 >>5843041

>>5842959
Collapse the bridge. Any chariots they have would get too bogged down in the river, horses would probably not have fun crossing it either. And men risk being swept away. It would take a fair while for them to make the trip then.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:17:04 No.5842984 Report

Quoted By: >>5842986

>>5842960
Bro. It was literally the metagame best choice. We were trying to NOT lose diplomatic immunity. And get the whole party murdered for our transgression.

You sound like a river loving cuck. Might want to check to see if your stones are still there. I bet they're in Athenas purse tho next to ODESSYUS'S.

This is literally the first time a rock has not worked out for us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:17:33 No.5842985 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842960
I want to argue with you but I understand I am getting quite heated so I will not engage. But I will express umbrage with your statement.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:18:17 No.5842986 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842984
Off by one.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:19:49 No.5842988 Report

Quoted By: >>5842995

>>5842971
Excellent suggestion, though it raises the question if Nik and his party have the means to pull it off

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:20:06 No.5842989 Report

Quoted By: >>5842994 >>5842995 >>5843008

Rolled 11, 14 - 2 = 23 (2d20 - 2)

Pollux hears out various strategems from the group, judging each of them. Castor suggests a ploy involving a wounded horse and Paris’ status as the senior member of the hunting expedition, to determine the beast’s fate. Castor, you notice, fingers his Salaminian spearpoint absentmindedly - his features carved from stone, slate-gray in the diminishing twilight. He unsettles you - always he has been the most reserved and contemplative of the Dioscuri, but now, he wears the expression of a man considering black murder.

Teukros suggests a plan in which “Dius” is attacked by bandits, making a large enough distraction for yourself and Pollux to kidnap the prince as a team. At first, Pollux seems most attuned to this strategy, taking a moment to survey the landscape for a possible chase. But after a few minutes more, he seems to turn against it - there are too few of you to make a bandit raid convincing.

As for yourself, your heart is divided - you cannot find your typical strength of will, and you offer Pollux a half-hearted ambush plan, in which you rain javelins down on the camp of Paris from the path above, taking care to wound their horses to prevent effective pursuit. Even you acknowledge that Paris could be wounded or killed in this plan of action, however.

Pollux finally waves a hand, discarding these various ideas. He speaks:

“Despite his princely upbringing, Paris struck me as a simple man in his conceptions, and therefore a simple plan is best. Teukros, you will approach the tent, dressed as Dius upon your horse-cart, but stay thirty strides distant. Keep the cart-side toward the pathway. Dius referred to Paris as “Alexandros” and therefore you should do the same. Call out to Paris in a friendly manner, unafraid and warmly, and tell him that you have brought a gift from Helen. Insist that the gift is meant for Paris’ eyes alone, but do not specify what it is – his mind will supply the rest. With luck, he will approach without accompaniment to view the gift from his beloved. Once he is close, we will leap out and bind him, and be on the path north within seconds.”

You pray it will be that easy.

Teukros’ dark face grows pale, but he nods in agreement. You offer him a steadying grasp on his shoulder, before you each take your positions. Teukros, of course, retains Dius’ expensive hunting bow in the seating of the horse-cart. Underneath the tarp, you are armed with your Lebinthian knife, as well as Salaminian ash - Pollux stashed a number of these for emergency use. The mood is tense - each of you breathe heavily in the bed of the horsecart as it moves.

>okay /qst/, this is yet another important roll. This time, we are rolling for Teukros’ deception against Paris’ INT. I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+5. Teukros is naturally charming (+3), and will have a +2 context bonus for Pollux’s (bretty gud) plan.

>Paris will be rolling to defend, and I’m giving him a penalty for his slight face-blindness (-3 total)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:20:42 No.5842990 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842971
That sounds good enough, i was thinking to burn them with a circle of fire around the big tent and hope they all died, but we are on Mount Ida and that means you can see a fire easily because is higher + the smoke.

Our strength should help in throwing stones away from the bridge, if that doesn't work we can try and break some bushes and small trees and put them there for do some blocking.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:20:54 No.5842991 Report

Quoted By:

>>5842971
AND it blocks the river! Genius!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:20:58 No.5842992 Report

Quoted By: >>5842994 >>5843041

Rolled 13 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

We need at least a 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:22:40 No.5842994 Report

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>>5842989
>>5842992
So 18 vs. 11. Nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:22:46 No.5842995 Report

Quoted By: >>5843000 >>5843041

Rolled 10 + 5 (1d20 + 5)

>>5842988
Thanks to the powers of engineering, it's actually pretty easy to break bridges. Just have to knock off enough of the arch beneath it and it'll collapse under its own weight. Nikon should be strong enough to do it.

>>5842989
Fuck you Paris, you retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:26:58 No.5843000 Report

Quoted By: >>5843005

>>5842995
Ah fuck. Nikandros probably doesn't know how bridges are made. Hopefully the others do or his strength is enough. Frankly we don't even need a perfect collapse if its just a chaotic mess of a bridge we leave behind is good enough.

Hopefully the guards will need days for arrive to Troy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:30:03 No.5843005 Report

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>>5843000
Bridges are actually really, really simple. At least stone bridges. You don't need to know how the physics of weight distribution and geometry play together to know that the support comes from the bottom and not the sides.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:30:51 No.5843007 Report

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>>5842927
I think that's what Homer wanted to do
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5579585/#p5601898
But this is Lesches, so he might have a different plan

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:33:35 No.5843008 Report

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>>5842989
I do wonder if Nikon will get to see the Chosen of Aphrodite that Paris probably has come into play. At least TEUKIE has a bow now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:33:48 No.5843011 Report

Quoted By: >>5843028

Here's what Lesches said
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2023/5742360/#p5771859
So instead of reaching level 3 by arriving in Troy like Homer said, we will reach when we come back home, and only if the diplomatic talk fail.
I wonder if that means we will reach less then the 6 levels that Homer said we probably would by the war end

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:40:07 No.5843028 Report

Quoted By: >>5843034

>>5843011
>I wonder if that means we will reach less then the 6 levels
Thanks for digging that up, and maybe but I'm sure Lesches will figure something out for us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:43:51 No.5843034 Report

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>>5843028
No problem, I was curious as well because I vaguely remembered something about leveling up when reaching Troy, so I wanted to double check just to be sure.
And yeah, Lesches has been doing a fantastic work so far, so he probably has something in mind

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:54:02 No.5843041 Report

Quoted By: >>5843043 >>5843045 >>5843051 >>5843065

>>5842992
>>5842995

>18 vs 11 - ~2 degrees of success.
>Pollux is being a dickhead but he DOES know how to capture people.

At least one more update today, but I'm hoping for two before 12pm tonight.

>>5842971

This is a clever idea, but the stone bridge is a squat, sturdy construction - even two demigods like Nikandros and Pollux couldn't topple it into the river at a moment's notice by hand. If they had a morning and sledgehammers, sure, definitely. However, Pollux will have a related idea that is roughly equivalent.

>>5842927

By QM fiat, I moved the Level 3 ding from "seeing Ilion for the first time" to "stepping onto Mycenae's harbor, having failed the diplomatic talks". I basically want to space out the level-ups a bit because they WILL be quite scarce across the course of the war. Leveling up twice in short succession and then nothing for years of Nikandros' life would be more frustrating to play, I think.

A successful night raid on Priam's palace would instead go to Nik's Kleos/Timae/relationship rewards rather than speed up the level-up timeline.

One last thought - I've been thinking hard about power-levels in the quest and have mostly determined that a "typical hero" maxes out at Level 6. Nikandros has a slightly higher potential, given his recent divine ancestry - Level 7. However, even if NIkandros hits his Level cap, there are meaningful ways for him to gain more power/prestige/wealth. For example, accumulation of narrative traits, collection of heroic gear, divine favor, and some secrets that players will have to work hard to unlock. Additionally, I think it would be fun for Nikandros to mentor other heroes and give them "noncanonical" characteristics in special circumstances - that way Nikandros can be instructed by his peers and vice-versa.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:56:23 No.5843043 Report

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>>5843041
>This is a clever idea, but the stone bridge is a squat, sturdy construction - even two demigods like Nikandros and Pollux couldn't topple it into the river at a moment's notice by hand.
Well ok then.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sat 25 Nov 2023 19:58:32 No.5843045 Report

Quoted By: >>5843046

>>5843041
Nice, you really do have everything figured out.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:01:01 No.5843046 Report

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>>5843045

HomerQM triggered my autism and at the exact moment in my life where I have the misplaced drive and ability to do this. /qst/ has given me lots of entertainment over the years and it seems fair to give back.

But also this is self-serving - I want to see if Nikandros can really go the distance...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:07:10 No.5843051 Report

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>>5843041
Huh a level cap. I had just assumed that the higher the levels go the more crazy dangerous shit a hero has to pull off to reach them.

Maybe a success here will earn a talk with Nike.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:19:58 No.5843065 Report

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>>5843041
Cool, thank you for elaborating.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:25:06 No.5843070 Report

Quoted By: >>5843072 >>5843074 >>5843075 >>5843152

Here is my hypothesis on levels.

>Level 0 is where all mortals/children start regardless of ancestry barring exceptional circumstances like Achilles who could probably kill a man at one.

>Level 1 is where all heroes start after they reach maturity and have done a little training/is a level that common blood mortals can reach if they dedicate many years of their life.

>Level 2 is the cap for most common-blooded mortals and the level we are currently at.

>Level 3 is the absolute cap for the most exceptional of common-blooded mortals without any heritage and the max for the most watered-down of nobels who have a divinity somewhere long ago in their ancestry.

>Level 4 is the cap for the majority of nobles who are not heroes but who have lived their lives to the fullest.

>Level 5 is the cap for lesser heroes like Teukros.

>Level 6 is the cap for most heroes and the various naiads/dryads/nymphs.

>Level 7 is the cap for fresh Olympic blood nobles like Castor, Pollux, and us.

>Level 8 is the cap for the best of the best like Achilles, Heracles, Diomedes, and Persues.

>Level 9 are the lesser gods

>Level 10 are greater gods.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:27:06 No.5843072 Report

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>>5843070
Let me know where you think I am off or if this is inaccurate.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:30:00 No.5843074 Report

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>>5843070
Well Homer did describe Nikon as being a mid tier hero even at his current level.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:30:30 No.5843075 Report

Quoted By: >>5843080 >>5843084

>>5843070
I don't think other characters should be viewed as having levels at all. The gods don't exist on the scale, they're literally a higher existence. My problem is if we start using levels as a metric for every character it'll just start to feel even more infuriating as Nikon is very consistently outperformed at everything even by characters within his own scope of "level". Since characters are more driven by narrative in terms of how grand they feel. Nikon already barely feels like a hero, let's not make that even worse by giving everyone else a powerlevel.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:34:46 No.5843080 Report

Quoted By: >>5843088

>>5843075
I see it more as us skipping the tutorial and going into the raiding party severely under-leveled. I also see levels as something flexible where the higher the level generally correlates to higher age, stat, and traits. Of course gear and situational bonus also play a role. Had we speced into a combat focused character we would still be the same level but capable of fighting well above our weight class (i.e. level).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:36:02 No.5843082 Report

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Of course things like level start losing their meaning the higher you go.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:37:48 No.5843084 Report

Quoted By: >>5843088

>>5843075
My dude, we could literally punch down a gate, kill dozens of men without struggle, and are capable of extreme mental feats all at level two.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:40:48 No.5843088 Report

Quoted By: >>5843094 >>5843095 >>5843099

>>5843080
Nah man it just doesn't apply in the same way. Characters are not made equally. So treating them mechanically - though they have stats - isn't sufficient. Odysseus just plain has more stuff than we will once we level up all the way. So does Achilles and Diomedes. They're literally just built different. The strength of most characters comes from a narrative perspective first, mechanical second. Is what I am saying.

>>5843084
Cool, great, still a punching bag. Whatever man. I need a break.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:47:57 No.5843094 Report

Quoted By: >>5843108

>>5832305
>>5843088
I refer you to the QMs post where he conclusively refutes your point.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:49:45 No.5843095 Report

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>>5843088
I'm also not so crazy as to try min max our way to OP status. I think a realistic goal to have is to become a smarter version of Ajax as a medium-term goal while acquiring wealth, Kleos, and not death.

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Anonymous ID:h35c1xAb Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:52:30 No.5843099 Report

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Think it this way people:

Achilles is not strong because he has a +999 bonus. He is strong, so he has a +999 bonus.

>>5843088
Meme to light your mood

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:53:34 No.5843100 Report

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“Heer Alexandros! Ik ben terug van Ilion!” Teukros calls out, once the horse-cart had halted. In your judgment, he does a fair impression of Dius’ voice, having been coached by Pollux during the planning session. There is a long silence before you hear Luwian voices shouting and laughing – a gruff Trojan voice rings out in return:

“Dius, je bent zo snel terug! Heb je de wijn meegenomen waar Lord Alexandros om vroeg?”

Teukros pauses for a moment – and Hermes Κλεπσιφρων must be sprinkling grace upon his shoulders, because he manages to respond laughingly, at complete ease –

“Ach, maar dat heb ik wel! Zijn nieuwe bruid kent hem al te goed en heeft mij buiten de stad ontmoet! Zeg hem dat hij hierheen moet komen - de goudharige vos stond erop dat ik hem een cadeau voor hem en hem alleen zou brengen!”

The gruff voice replies –

“Ach, als je erop staat. Altijd een optreden daarmee. Eén moment, één moment.”

And there’s additional silence. Teukros whispers through the hide tarp in Hellenika –

“I think it’s working – Paris is being fetched! Prepare yourselves!”

And in just a few moments, you hear the sound of a tent flapping – drunken Luwian voices momentarily growing louder, and muting once again.

And then you hear him – there’s no mistaking the ringing tenor as anything but the voice of Lord Paris himself. The sound of his voice is – it is a kind of music, truthfully - you have never heard anything like it.

“Ben jij Dius? Wat hoor ik over een geschenk van Helen?” calls out Paris.

“Hier, hier! Ik heb gezworen de verrassing niet te bederven!” Teukros replies mischievously. You resolve to shower Teukros with gifts, gold and women – you do not know the words, but you sense the tone of their exchange - the man is chit-chatting with Paris as if they’ve known each other for years!

You hear Teukros leap off his horse-cart seat, and listen as he steps about to the back of the cart. Paris’ own light foot steps approach, even as Teukros’ fingers tap nervously against Dius’ cart. Under the tarp, Pollux, yourself and Castor make an effort to silence your breathing – you shift your weight forwards in preparation for the reveal. Teukros continues the charade, until you hear Paris step behind the horse-cart, and then, Paris’ voice:

>cont

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:56:48 No.5843108 Report

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>>5843094
No, it doesn't, because it only address their combat capability. They are literally better than Nikon. If we want to match them in combat we have to go all in and neglect everything else. The mechanically "weakest" character there is Ajax, and if we want to match him in brawn he'll still have higher social stats barring INT than us. Because they aren't bound strictly by the level system like we are. Their mechanics are determined by their narrative, whereas in Nikon's case, his narrative is enabled by his mechanics.

Really just fuck the whole level thing. It's stupid and not applicable.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:57:25 No.5843110 Report

Quoted By: >>5843115 >>5843118 >>5843121 >>5843124 >>5843125 >>5843133 >>5843152

Rolled 4, 3 = 7 (2d20)

“Dius, waar gaat dit allemaal over? Waarom niet - WIE ZIJN-?” and Teukros rips the hide tarp aside.

Even under the moonlight, you can see Paris’ beauty – his face is perfect. High cheekbones flank a perfectly-proportioned nose, warm brown eyes in an unblemished face. His black hair cascades freely down his neck and shoulders. Even in this instant of surprise, his face communicates innocence and a lack of guile. It is clear to you, even as you throw yourself out of the horse-cart, that he is easily the most handsome man you have ever seen. Teukros has wrapped Paris in a vicious headlock, partly strangling him - Paris manages only a strained whisper. Pollux, wasting no time, springs forward, and delivers a phenomenal blow to Paris’ diaphragm – Paris’ face purples immediately; you watch as he silently retches huge strings of mucus from his open mouth. As for you, you deliver a paralyzing blow to the man’s side – his legs seize momentarily from the pain. With the prince incapacitated, he is quickly hog-tied, gagged, and stuffed into the back of the horse-cart.

>no need for rolling here – it was a 3vs1 ambush and Paris is not physically adept.

You breathe shakily, as Teukros returns the horse cart to the path. Castor remains in the back of the cart, watching over your package carefully - Teukros has handed Castor’s Dius’ expensive bow. As for yourself – you commandeer Castor’s chariot, as Pollux takes up the reins on his own. All three teams make haste for Ilion.

Soon, you are back at the stone bridge over the Scamandros – and Pollux orders a brief halt once all three teams are aboard the bridge.

“Nikandros, I want you to slit the throats of your steeds, pile the bodies, and overturn your chariot and smash the wheels in the process – block the bridge! Join me when you are done - bring the Salaminian javelins with you!”

It’s a waste of good horseflesh - but Pollux has the right of it. By blocking the bridge, you either force a smaller team of men to ford the Scamandros at another location, or delay them by forcing them to clear the bridge. The amount of blood shocks you, as you open the throats of the horses with your Lebinthian knife, but killing them is not a difficult task for a man of your strength. Likewise, flipping the chariot itself and smashing the wheels is trivial.

Your hands covered in horse’s blood, and their mortal shrieks echo in your ears as you join Pollux upon his chariot. Bright-tressed Selene gleams above – you have two hours until midnight, by your estimation.

Now, the true race begins.

>okay /qst/, give me a dice+2d20. You guys need to hit a combined total of 17 to make it back to Ilion in time. A higher score = faster travel.
>I am rolling for the pursuers – they have a big malus to their first dice (-7), to reflect the relative stealth of Paris’ capture and then the blocking of the bridge over the Scamander, but no penalty on the second dice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sat 25 Nov 2023 20:59:13 No.5843115 Report

Quoted By: >>5843163

>>5843110
>he is easily the most handsome man you have ever seen
He's even prettier than Achilles?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:01:08 No.5843118 Report

Quoted By: >>5843129 >>5843130 >>5843132 >>5843151 >>5843152 >>5843154 >>5845237 >>5845415

Rolled 1, 16 = 17 (2d20)

>>5843110

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:01:19 No.5843121 Report

Quoted By: >>5843124 >>5843151

Rolled 18 (1d20)

>>5843110
Hahaha!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:02:20 No.5843124 Report

Quoted By: >>5843151

Rolled 6 (1d20)

>>5843110
>>5843121

I thought you wanted 2 d20 but here is a second roll incase I am mistaken.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:bfnKgtxA Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:02:29 No.5843125 Report

Quoted By: >>5843129

Rolled 1, 5 = 6 (2d20)

>>5843110
>no need for rolling here – it was a 3vs1 ambush and Paris is not physically adept.
KEK

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:bfnKgtxA Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:03:31 No.5843129 Report

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>>5843118
>>5843125
How tf did we both roll a one first.
You still passed the barrier, but barely.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:05:20 No.5843130 Report

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>>5843118
That's a combined total of 17

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:09:56 No.5843132 Report

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>>5843118

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:09:59 No.5843133 Report

Quoted By: >>5843152

>>5843110
We may of barely cleared the DC and are short of time but with those rolls of
>1 and 16 v. -3 and 3
We completely lose our pursuers and should have time to do what we need to do before they arrive to alert anyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:14:52 No.5843142 Report

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I can't believe we are actually succeeding. The gods watching must be very entertained.

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Anonymous ID:h35c1xAb Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:18:59 No.5843148 Report

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Anonymous ID:h35c1xAb Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:20:47 No.5843151 Report

Quoted By: >>5843154 >>5843176 >>5845229

>>5843121
>>5843124
>>5843118
Nice

18 and 16 vs -3 and -4

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:22:06 No.5843152 Report

Quoted By: >>5843159

>>5843118
>>5843110

Okay, I have a plan to interpret this.

>>5843133

Basically this.

>>5843070

Ah, the level up system is really only meant for demigods of Nikon’s general power level - apologies if this was unclear. I used it to inform charsheets of the other characters in a more general way, but some characters are intentionally broken (like Achilles), for example. IIRC, Homer said something once about fidelity to the classic literature being more important than “balanced crunch”.

Mortals, monsters and deities don’t fall neatly into the level-up system and so it wouldnt be right to assign Zeus a level, if that makes any sense

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:24:10 No.5843154 Report

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>>5843151

I think only the one below is valid seeing as how only a 2d20 was called for.
>>5843118

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:26:34 No.5843159 Report

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>>5843152
Oh, that is completely fine. Thanks for the clarification. This is all abstract anyway.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:DpXj75ir Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:31:35 No.5843163 Report

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>>5843115

Yep, although not by much, and Achilles is obviously his vast superior by all other metrics

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03WxjiPb Sat 25 Nov 2023 21:43:08 No.5843176 Report

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>>5843151
Fuck yeah. A rock god just yeeted us to illion. The gods are having a massive laugh at the expense of the Trojans

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Anonymous ID:jnei+MSB Sun 26 Nov 2023 00:38:20 No.5843402 Report

Quoted By: >>5843416

So glad to see that trojan war quest is back. Oddyseus is a rat, rockchads stay winning, and we need to get a sling posthaste. Also, any idea when Nira quest comes back?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:h35c1xAb Sun 26 Nov 2023 00:54:59 No.5843416 Report

Quoted By: >>5843499

>>5843402
>Also, any idea when Nira quest comes back?
Maybe after we do some more progress? That way there will be feedback with the other quest.

Also, now that I think about it, we will look like this was the plan all along.
>Agamnenon hear about some country boy who found a prince.
>We befriend the bastard that could talk Liwan
>In Ilion, out of nowhere, we discover the secret about Paris whereabouts
>You need him and Hellen nice and calm? Don't worry, god-level drug here.
>You need goods winds to escape of Ilion? Don't worry, god-gift here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 02:26:55 No.5843499 Report

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>>5843416
I for one would be high-key pissed if some chucklefuck declared Nikon was an agent of the gods or blessed with divine providence instead of getting what little he has done with his merits alone. It's bad enough he gets overshadowed by proximity to a bunch of asshats, he doesn't need even more glory being stolen by an even higher station.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 02:38:20 No.5843513 Report

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The night is calm and clear, despite your hurried travel north. You come across no one; you sometimes catch sight of deer flitting through the sparse trees, or in the shallow valleys between the hills.

You breathe easier now - with Paris unharmed, trussed and bound, and Mount Ida behind you, successful infiltration of Priam’s Royal Palace seems… possible, if not likely.. Castor and Paris remain hidden under the hide tarp; Teukros continues to wear the garb of Dius and urges his steeds onwards, pushing them forwards. He’s no horseman, but the steeds understand his directions on the reins well enough.

You ride behind the cart in Pollux’s chariot; the son of Zeus to your side has also calmed somewhat - the waves of rage emitting from his person have lessened, although there is still a constant pressure centered around him; a miniature maelstrom, a lesser form of Thetis’ crushing will. You keep watch constantly behind you, but you see no pursuers or torches, no clattering hoofbeats of Trojans rushing to rescue their master. Pollux grunts in acknowledgment as you report this occasionally – he has not quite forgiven you for allowing Dius to escape the banks of the Scamandros, and forcing him to chase him on horseback.

After an hour, your caution and anxieties begin to slip away in the boredom of pathfinding by moonlight.

Exhausted from the day’s excitement, you begin to nod off, despite every effort to stay alert. You find yourself losing a minute or two, before you jump awake; the landscape around you warping strangely as you begin dreaming, only to snap back when a stone in the path jolts your chariot. In one strange dream, a man with winged helm rides by your teams, carrying a horn – he leaps ahead, before Teukros’ cart, and a cloying smell fills your mouth and lungs. You’re irritated – doesn’t the man know that you are dreaming and thus cannot smell anything? You open your mouth to shout a complaint, but he instead rides off into the darkness. Funny, you have the sense that -

You wake up.

Pollux is shaking your shoulder violently, and you startle awake, rising from a deep slumber – he pulls at your arm to help you to rise from the earth. Somehow, you’ve fallen beside the chariot in your drowsiness.

“More divinities working against us – this time, gentle Hypnos.” Pollux is irritated, but not stunned like you are – he has had more of such interactions with the divines, you suppose.

“Next, the horse-cart,” Pollux says calmly – it has drifted gently off the path, and Teukros is sprawled against the horse-cart seat, snoring loudly. You shake him aware, and find that he is just as disoriented as you had been. Behind you, Pollux removes the hide tarp, revealing a slumbering Castor – and the cast-off bonds that held Paris’ feet in place. Pollux ignites, and once Castor is awake to defend the horse teams, you scatter into the surrounding brush, looking for signs of the escaped Prince.

>cont

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 02:55:00 No.5843537 Report

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Three hours of rage and terror pass.

After the panic of the first few minutes, a system was rapidly established by yourself and Pollux; a search grid formed. Bizarrely, Paris’ tracks disappear into a copse of brush; a mystery that is only solved when Teukros looks up to find Paris hiding in the boughs – he had managed to scramble up into the trees despite his hands having been bound behind him. No doubt the prince was hoping to hold out until morning, and then beg travelers for assistance on the path. Paris is induced to climb down safely, and once again, bundled tightly into the back of the horse-cart. His knots are doubled – Pollux seemingly has no shortage of rope for this very purpose.

---

The delay has nearly damned your chances for infiltration – less than seven hours remain until saffron-robed Eos makes her appearance.

It is a good thing that the horses keep their previous energy – they fly at top speed until the white walls of Ilion are within sight. For the last hour, Teukros and Castor have been interrogating a gagged Paris through a combination of Luwian and impromptu hand signaling to determine the best way to proceed through the Royal Palace. Castor needs only strike the man in the middle every few minutes to keep the interrogation ongoing. Paris, for his part, is desperate to assist your group - he is shameless in his eagerness to avoid pain and discomfort.

Approaching the Lower Gates, Paris is placed within the horse-cart seat, alongside Teukros, and it is decided that Teukros will hold your Lebinthian knife at Paris’ side, under his robes. Likewise, yourself and Pollux hold Salaminian spearpoints against his lower back, the ash only just protruding from the hide tarp. Paris' hands are also unbound - but not the ropes binding his ankles together, under his prince's garb. Castor lies ready with Dius' bow under the tarp - even should Paris do the impossible and escape his bonds, and then the cart itself, Castor will plant an arrow in his back. Paris is therefore held in position by no less than four deaths – once this is repeatedly explained to him, and his frantic nods of understanding observed by all - only then is his gag removed.

Paris is well-loved by the people of Ilion – the Lower Gates and the High Gates fall open at the sound of his voice alone. It is a good thing that he is a coward – he clearly fears death, and does not try to flee the cart or attempt to signal the gate guards.

Entrance to the Royal Palace itself is almost as easy, with a living Paris able to speak - a service entrance to the kitchens of the massive structure is easily passed by your horsecart, as well as a guard station. Thousands of wagons pass through the same checkpoint every week to deliver substance, wine, oils and other such provisions to the King's οἶκος - your horsecart does not raise alarm.

>cont

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:13:21 No.5843551 Report

Quoted By: >>5843553 >>5843554 >>5843555

The royal staff were apparently not notified of Paris' secretive departure two mornings prior - his people only react in good-natured confusion as he passes by, so early in the morning.

As you pass through the extravagant halls of King Priam's palace, servants and guards pass by - but your group does not raise alarm, even as you flank Paris in a tight gaggle - Teukros keeps your knife digging into the flesh of Paris' side, his other arm thrown around Paris' shoulder in a friendly embrace. You can't believe that none stop your party, as you cross deeper in the temple complex - but everywhere you look within the temple, you see poor discipline, poor planning, poor readiness. The city of Ilion teems with foreign visitors, and so too does Priam's palace - guests of many foreign lands are present, and so the Hellenic garb of yourself, Pollux and Castor do not raise alarm.

The Royal Guardsmen are finely-equipped, but lazy - they roll their spearhafts in their hands like bored children, and worse, they are completely incurious about the passersby. The guards by the kitchen gate assume that you should be granted entrance due to Prince Paris' presence - the guards in the interior of the palace make the same assumption. The spearmen are dressed for appearance, with brightly-painted shields and bronze-plated breastplates; but there are no archers, and the security checkpoints at the intersections are unmanned.

Worse, the royal family has apparently not developed a method by which guardsmen could be called through secret gesture or if there is such a method, Paris has either forgotten it, or the guardsmen aren't responding to it.

In short - for all the power and prestige of Ilion and King Priam, the Trojans have not seriously conceived of a hostile party within the Royal Palace. They are making nearly every mistake you can imagine in the interior defense of their structure...

Perhaps security would tighten as King Priam's apartments in the Northern Wing were approached - but Paris leads you to the western side of the palace. Furious whispering between Paris and Teukros reveals that the majority of Priam's children are housed in this corner of the palace. Paris is becoming tense - early morning is rapidly approaching, and with it, increasing chances that a nobleman of Priam's court might catch you in the halls, and spoil your infiltration.

>Paris' ungodly CHA has basically made "peaceable entry" into the Palace a breeze - good job on catching him unharmed.
>Now I need a dice+1d20 to see who might catch you guys as you approach Helen...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:14:18 No.5843553 Report

Quoted By: >>5843556 >>5843559 >>5843560 >>5843571 >>5845415

Rolled 3 (1d20)

>>5843551

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:h35c1xAb Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:14:23 No.5843554 Report

Quoted By: >>5843560

Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>5843551

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:14:29 No.5843555 Report

Quoted By: >>5843556 >>5843560

Rolled 3 (1d20)

>>5843551

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:15:30 No.5843556 Report

Quoted By: >>5843560

>>5843553
>>5843555
Our rolls continue to lower it seems

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:16:34 No.5843559 Report

Quoted By: >>5843560 >>5843564

>>5843553
Twenty bucks says this means it's someone who knows Paris isn't supposed to be here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:16:49 No.5843560 Report

Quoted By: >>5843564 >>5843903

>>5843553
>>5843554
>>5843555
>>5843556
>>5843559
King Priam himself would be likely to make an appearance, all things considered.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:19:43 No.5843564 Report

Quoted By: >>5843567

>>5843559
>>5843560
It's not a one, so it's probably not Priam or Hector.
But it's definitely something bad

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:21:33 No.5843567 Report

Quoted By: >>5843583

>>5843564
It'll be worse than the birds. Didn't we get them on a 6 or 7?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:26:17 No.5843571 Report

Quoted By: >>5843583

>>5843553

Oh no.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:31:48 No.5843574 Report

Quoted By: >>5843583

Next update for 8am EST - I have to complete reconsider this encounter given the circumstances.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:36:17 No.5843583 Report

Quoted By: >>5843586 >>5843709

>>5843567
>>5843571
>>5843574
Well shit.
We might be dying soon

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 03:39:09 No.5843586 Report

Quoted By: >>5843709

>>5843583
Kinda hoping we do.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 04:32:14 No.5843614 Report

Quoted By:

Actually I think I'll take my own advice and take a break. Remember to pick up Castor's medical trait or the Dioscuri's training trait because once we set foot on Mycenae they're gone for the rest of the quest unless things go really fucking weird. The Dioscuri don't actually take part in the Trojan war at all. So once they are out of the party the traits are locked until we spend an appreciable time with them (never). So if you want either of those traits, that's the time to pick them up. This is per the way the rules were described to us anyway. And no, you can't get a medical trait from Palamedes, he doesn't actually do medicine. If someone says otherwise it's revisionist history and you should hit them with a rock.

Anywho, good luck anons. See you in a while.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 05:59:47 No.5843709 Report

Quoted By: >>5843985

>>5843583
>>5843586

Excellent. We get a chance to steal persephone from the underworld then. Yall stressing too much. Rock grandpa will protect us.

Plus we have Paris in a hostage situation. Nobody even if they realize what we're actually doing would be able to stop us. Or we'd kill Paris and we know there's like 5 God's that are wet/hard for him. Ain't no way they'd let him get hurt.

Plus if we gapped it immediately we'd probably get away. Maybe not pollux and castor... but we knew that was always a possibility due to the prophecy.

@lesches I forget what we have in the pastebin. Can you relink it please. We probably gonna need to pull something out of our ass.

Since we're in the royal apartments. Can we send a runner to all of our party? We need backup asap. I'm thinking we send someone to palamedes and Ajax. And desu we might need to tell ODESSYUS. Cause we will need his silver tongue.

We might also need to use T's family lineage to get us out of hot water.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 26 Nov 2023 12:31:52 No.5843903 Report

Quoted By:

>>5843560
it tracks, as geriatric as he is he's bound to wake up earlier than the sun like all old people

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 13:21:47 No.5843922 Report

Quoted By:

If we ever die can we RP appearing in the underworld to be judged?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:14:42 No.5843950 Report

Quoted By: >>5843958 >>5843962 >>5844025

The western wing of the palace is lavishly decorated – everywhere, there are fine statues (the carven physiques and lifelike expressions catch your approving eye), there are tapestries from the East adorning the walls; braziers of incense are scattered through the thoroughfares, emitting redolent scents of myrrh, honey, and other spices that you cannot name. It makes for a strange juxtaposition – to be terrified in a place so beautiful. Pollux and Castor must be feeling as you do – they appear haggard from the night’s travails, their eyes are open too widely, their lips compressed to nervous lines. Teukros, still hanging onto Paris’ shoulder with your Lebinthian knife tip in Paris’ side, has the feverish and glassy-eyed expression of a man gripped by Dionysian illusion – perhaps he is struggling to believe that you truly hold Paris hostage in his own palace; in the palace of his uncle. On Paris’ other shoulder, Pollux has wrapped an arm around his side – to another, it might be a friendly gesture between friends, but you know that Pollux’s grip on Paris is iron.

Traffic amongst the halls is still very light – but beginning to increase, as night begins to transition to early morning. Your group walks briskly through the wing’s passageways, passing the apartments of Priam’s children, and gray-robed servants begin to appear from side entrances hidden in alcoves and trap-doors expertly hidden in the floor masonry.

Paris’ heels only barely touch the bright mosaics and plush carpets that dot the palace hallways, being carried mostly by Teukros and Pollux by his sides – here, you see a frieze of Heracles’ sack of the city, there, you see a floor mosaic depicting the purchase of Priam as a young man from Heracles, by Hesione, with a golden veil. Paris is muttering directions in Luwian to Teukros, and you get the sense that your destination is approaching swiftly. From within the palace walls, you cannot be sure how long you may have until dawn breaks, but time must be growing very short. You may have only minutes until the early-risers of Priam’s household exit their apartments and begin their day.

Your group turns to the right and enters the final hallway; a quarter-stade expanse where the apartments of Priam’s sons are located, with murals of the Olympians daubed brightly along both walls. Paris’ whispering is defeated – Teukros explains at the end of the hall, there are only two apartments facing one another – to the left, where Paris and Helen reside. To the right, where Hector, greatest warrior of Priam’s court and Paris' elder brother, resides. Your group enters a light jog - your goal and safety within reach, only thirty strides away!

And then a man exits the right-hand-side apartment, closing the broad doors behind him softly. The man hasn’t noticed you yet, as he fastens the door shut. Your team freezes –

It is him.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:24:12 No.5843956 Report

Quoted By: >>5843961 >>5843985 >>5844025 >>5851551

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUyJ2Zcw0zo&list=PLnpIGDCblPQX01akhfpzeQZMQTjYi9Hwz&index=12

There is no mistaking him – he is tall, muscular, and handsome; dressed only in a chiton of pale blue. Priam’s features are broadened on his face – his jaw is hewn of stone, like one of the statues dotting the halls, and his hair is akin to Paris’ – a flowing black mane, currently restrained by a warrior’s knot. He exits his apartment with an easy grace; stepping silently on the stone floor. He moves not like a man, but like a stag – his weight shifts effortlessly from foot to foot; majesty hangs invisibly off his shoulders like a cloak. You cannot see it – but you feel the prince’s crown upon his head. The sheer physicality of presence reminds you of the Aeacides – Achilles or Ajax. A glorious stag, as opposed to an implacable bear, or a ferocious lion. You know nothing of the man personally, only the rumors of his combat prowess, but even this quick glimpse is proof enough – the rumors are true.

He is Hector, and he is the greatest of the Trojans.

You nearly weep on the spot – his presence is the doom of this venture and the herald of your death – almost certainly. You think of your sister and curse your fate - to be sent to into the realm of the dead, with Deianira unmarried. To become an oathbreaker to your beloved sister...

You recognize at once that he carries a pair of overly-long training spears on his back– δόρυ. In his right hand, he carries a heavy, hide bag, with a red horse-hair crest peaking through the opening – his panoplia, no doubt. He has awoken early for this morning’s exercises; something you have done countless times yourself. He turns to stride down the hallway towards you, and stops immediately when he sees you.

Your group has frozen as well, twenty strides away - paralyzed. Paris has stiffened like a board, but his eyes dance wildly – a fawn realizing that escape is possible with an elder brother’s assistance. Pollux and Teukros tighten their grips respectively – you shift slowly forwards with Castor, until you flank Teukros on his left, and Castor joins his brother on the right. Behind Hector, the door to Paris' apartment, and to Helen - it may as well be on Mount Olympus, completely out of reach.

Under your robes, you have a pair of Salaminian javelins. Castor still wears the bow of Dius upon his back. Teukros holds your Lebinthian knife. Pollux has a pair of javelins on his back as well.

“Alexandros!” Hector calls. “Wat doe je in de gangen van onze vader? Wie zijn deze mannen bij jou? En ben jij dat, Dius?”

The appearance of peaceful conduct amongst your group, Teukros' disguise, and the surprise of Paris' presence has created the smallest opening possible - the briefest moment where winged words may fly.

>cont

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:27:10 No.5843958 Report

Quoted By: >>5843962

>>5843950
>Actually LITERALLY HECTOR.
Welp gentlemen it was VERY nice knowing you. And hey we do kick off the war. Even if we get killed to do so.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:29:19 No.5843961 Report

Quoted By: >>5844168

>>5843956
There is only one way out. Have Tuekros in the guise if Dius says the Dioscuri challenge Hector to a spar. He would never turn it down.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:30:36 No.5843962 Report

Quoted By: >>5843974

>>5843950
>>5843958
This is why we went to the twins. For this exact situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:32:45 No.5843965 Report

Quoted By:

I think we should in character start praying.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:40:59 No.5843974 Report

Quoted By: >>5843979

>>5843962
Pollux vs Hector is how this winds up when it comes to blows. I do NOT favor our odds.
>ACTUALLY LITERALLY FUCKING HECTOR.
FÙUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:44:14 No.5843979 Report

Quoted By: >>5843983 >>5844003

>>5843974
Could be worse. Could have rolled a 1 and met a god in the guise of a mortal.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:46:09 No.5843983 Report

Quoted By:

>>5843979
I think we can say that this was our greatest fear the entire time we were doing this plan to an even greater degree than the river. I bet you are all happy now that we did not kill Dius since apparently Hector seems to have a positive impression of his bastard brother.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:50:05 No.5843985 Report

Quoted By:

>>5843709
Not-anon, you can't @ people in 4chan.
>>5843956
Fuck

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:53:45 No.5843987 Report

Quoted By: >>5843989 >>5844012 >>5844018 >>5844025 >>5844073 >>5844080 >>5844085 >>5844088 >>5844089 >>5844168 >>5844187 >>5844190 >>5844430 >>5844479 >>5844631 >>5844738 >>5844963 >>5851235 >>5851243

>what do, /qst/? I am so sorry - this was nearly the worst possible encounter. This vote will last for 12 hours, closing at 10pm tonight, given the extreme danger. I would like to encourage anons to consider each option carefully and perhaps develop a smart write-in.
>I want to be very clear - failure in this encounter will lead to EXTREMELY BAD CONSEQUENCES.

---

>Suggest to Pollux that you each attack at once with missile fire, casting aside the political ramifications - perhaps working together, you may be able to bring him down. He is currently unarmored!

>Suggest to Pollux that your group surrenders unconditionally in exchange for safe passage from the Palace. The mission is over - you cannot hope to face off against Hector, even together as you are. If this vote wins, Pollux will attempt to negotiate this.

>Suggest to Pollux that you both charge Hector at once with your javelins, and engage in melee combat. Castor would fire with his bow, and Teukros would continue to restrain Paris. Perhaps together, you can defeat him, and hide the body inside Paris' apartment.

>Suggest to Pollux that you charge Hector unarmed, and attempt to grapple him into submission. The man is rumored to have divine strength, but Pollux is a champion wrestler, and you are very strong yourself. If you are lucky, you may be able to force his submission.

>Suggest to Pollux that you openly proclaim your identities and your intentions - by holding Paris hostage, you may be able to force passage into Paris' apartment, and then bar the door, keeping Hector on the outside. This would be a desperate act in its own right, but perhaps Hector's love for his brother is stronger than his reason.

>Suggest to Pollux that you simply murder Paris now, and drop his body on the palace floor. Then, you will all simply flee the Palace at high speed, and then to the docks. Escape is still possible, even if you cannot hope to speak with Helen. The murder of Paris now may distract Hector long enough for you to flee the palace proper.

>Something else I haven't thought of? Pro-tip: there's at least one good strategy that I did not list above

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 14:58:14 No.5843989 Report

Quoted By: >>5844002

>>5843987
Half of these options are literally just death with extra steps.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:12:26 No.5844002 Report

Quoted By: >>5844004 >>5844025

>>5843989

Well, you guys did select the most dangerous option by suggesting the night raid, and then rolled very poorly on the encounter. If It’s any consolation, Nikandros is the smartest man in the hall.

Best get your thinking caps on.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:13:23 No.5844003 Report

Quoted By: >>5844010

>>5843979
A 1 would have been Priam.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:15:55 No.5844004 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844002
Nik smart, we dum-dum

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:20:03 No.5844010 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844003
I think that would have been a 2. Had we rolled high it could have been Hellen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:22:44 No.5844012 Report

Quoted By: >>5844027 >>5844088

>>5843987
Right so i will take the first bout. We are dead. There is no way we escape from here. Pollux, Castor and MAYYYYYYYBE Teukros can get away, but us? A minor nobody redshirt? HAHAHAHAHA no.
>Suggest to Pollux that you each attack at once with missile fire, casting aside the political ramifications - perhaps working together, you may be able to bring him down. He is currently unarmored!
Him being unarmored gives us a CHANCE to either kill him or force him to flee. We lose hand to hand and ALL of the other options are death but slowly. Either way we do not make it out of the Palace alive.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:26:24 No.5844018 Report

Quoted By:

>>5843987

You know, I think I’m going to extend the voting window to 8am EST tomorrow. I want to encourage thoughtful discussion and make sure that all players and lurkers have a chance to weigh in.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:29:03 No.5844025 Report

Quoted By: >>5844071 >>5844073

>>5843950
>>5843956
>Actually fucking Hector
SWEET FUCK WHY
TWQ Dice keep going between extreme highs and extreme lows. Finally context with which to post this meme

We CANNOT afford to have Hector capable of calling guards, yet we have very poor odds of subduing or otherwise silencing the man... I sure hope some Anon has a flash of brilliance because I sure am not! As for my vote:
>>5843987
>Suggest to Pollux that you openly proclaim your identities and your intentions - by holding Paris hostage, you may be able to force passage into Paris' apartment, and then bar the door, keeping Hector on the outside. This would be a desperate act in its own right, but perhaps Hector's love for his brother is stronger than his reason.
I don't know as much about Hector as I probably should, but I believe grabbing hold of Hector's heartstrings is one our best plays here?

>>5844002
>If It’s any consolation, Nikandros is the smartest man in the hall.
It is, in fact, NOT any kind of consolation. Being a smooth-brain sucks ):

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:29:37 No.5844027 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844012
Anon, QM giving us extra time and telling us we are the smartest in the room in telling us to come up with a plan to make Hector roll int to see through our deception. The combat bonuses Hector has will make what Diomedeses did to us look like a love tap.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:31:27 No.5844029 Report

Quoted By: >>5844038

We need to lie our faces off.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:33:06 No.5844032 Report

Quoted By:

>Hector
>not even a crit fail
Brutal.

But anyway, there is still a chance to slip out of this. The QM has already said that there are more plans to get out of this one that aren't in the votes, so I won't go into doomer mode just yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:37:37 No.5844038 Report

Quoted By: >>5844041

>>5844029
>Lie our faces off.
Bruh NONE of us speak Trojan except Teukros. Teukros probably speaks it with a HEAVY Achaen accent. HOW DO WE LIE?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:41:15 No.5844041 Report

Quoted By: >>5844053

>>5844038
It worked on Paris who was only slightly drunk, we legit know Teukros can sound like Dius as he was coached, and I’m hoping Hector is stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 26 Nov 2023 15:55:12 No.5844053 Report

Quoted By: >>5844068 >>5844084 >>5844087

>>5844041
Paris IS stupid. Paris is the worthless drunken lout and retard that picks hot ass over bettering himself and/or his people.
Hector is the man that turned the Achaeans aside MULTIPLE TIMES during the war. He is the VERY VERY BEST of Priam's sons. If he had lived to be King of Troy he probably would habe conquered a Trojan Empire to stand the test of fucking time.
I do NOT know or believe that we are somehow smarter than him. I cannot believe that but whatever QM fiat.
The only other strategy i can even see is if we simehow use our second dose of super drug to take him out and either escape or (SOMEHOW) find Helen in all this mess.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:09:37 No.5844067 Report

Quoted By: >>5844070 >>5844085

Alright, fuck, we might still pull this off. Lesches is right, Nikon is the smartest man in the room right now but Hector isn't stupid. Hector loves his family and has a strong sense of duty but he's opposed to the war. His dialogue indicates that Teukros might be able to pull off the disguise still. However out of everyone in the palace he'll definitely know Paris isn't supposed to be here right now. And that can work to our advantage.
Whatever it is we do, we have to remember that Paris is an idiot. If we lean on that we can probably bullshit our way through this. Claiming Paris wandered back on his own and was discovered by the Greeks isn't an unrealistic situation. Tuekros can try and pretend to still be Dius and claim as such, and that Priam greenlit the Dioscuri (her brothers) and some nonthreatening servants of theirs to see if she's in her right of mind before the talks actually begin.
We've got all day to figure this out, start spitballing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:10:13 No.5844068 Report

Quoted By: >>5844084

>>5844053
QM just said we are the smartest person in the hall. So it doesn't matter what you believe, we are Nikon has a higher intelligence then him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:13:43 No.5844070 Report

Quoted By: >>5844108

>>5844067
Paris just not able to stay away from Hellen despite all the reasons to do seems very in character.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:13:59 No.5844071 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844025
Yeah, the pains of playing a genius character is that it doesn't matter much unless you can think of something.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:15:12 No.5844073 Report

Quoted By: >>5844089 >>5844720 >>5845069

>>5843987
Actually, I'd like to change my vote >>5844025 to a write-in. I'll format it as a greentext later if necessary, though I can't promise I can do it before tomorrow's end to the voting window if it comes down to that.

Someone more familiar with Paris' character and the wider setting shoot me down if this is a bad suggestion.
Paris seems to be fond of competition and games. Perhaps we could claim that while out hunting, Paris was challenged to a footrace by one of our number (Pollux is the most athletic of our current group, isn't he?). And so confident was Paris in his victory, he swore (perhaps under the name of a divinity) that he promised a personal item in the event of his loss. Of course, turns out that said item is in his quarters and not on his person so here we are.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:51rAtefZ Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:18:52 No.5844080 Report

Quoted By: >>5844720 >>5844856 >>5845069

>>5843987
>>Something else I haven't thought of?

>Let's act like friends he made on the way

>Let Teukros say that Prince Paris was injured outside the city, and that he wanted to rest in the palace, in place of the countryside, to recover.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:21:31 No.5844084 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844068
This ended up sounding way more aggressive then I intended to.
>>5844053
Sorry about that anon

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:21:57 No.5844085 Report

Quoted By: >>5844108 >>5844552

>>5843987
first off Hector probably speaks hellenic so anything above a whisper will be understood

>>5844067
i agree the best bet would be to introduce the Dioscuri as being allowed to visit their sister on order of Priam himself

i don't think we can kill Hector as we are, unless there's a heavy enough marble pedestal around in lieu of a stone.

small consolation that he is not armed with bronze, though he probably can oneshot Teukros or Castor in one throw anyway.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:22:25 No.5844087 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844053

Sure, but Hector turned aside the Achaeans multiple times not through battle strategy, but through sheer lethality and CHADdom on the battlefield.

The Hector we see in the Iliad isn't quite the Hector standing before Nikandros. Don't forget that TWQ is taking place ten years before the Iliad opens.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:23:09 No.5844088 Report

Quoted By:

>>5843987
I am withdrawing my vote >>5844012. I cannot see a way out of this that does not kill at LEAST Nikon. But since everyone else wants to try i am not going to stand in their way.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:51rAtefZ Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:23:52 No.5844089 Report

Quoted By: >>5844168 >>5844720 >>5845069

>>5843987
>>5844073
I like this, too.

>We all meet on outside of the city.
>We all become friends (Paris stupid CHA), being to drink and Paris challench Pollux, making a deal out of it
>He loss.
>Here we are.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:26:06 No.5844093 Report

Quoted By: >>5844094 >>5844095 >>5844374

Could mentioning that Teukros is a bastard grandson of Priam help explain how they became friends?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:27:34 No.5844094 Report

Quoted By: >>5844118 >>5844552

>>5844093
No wait, Hector thinks Teukros is Dius.
Ignore that.

As for how we found him, we simply like to go on hikes, and invited our friends along

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:27:57 No.5844095 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844093
not while dressed as Dius i fear
and i don't think it would even spare his life once the question of the missing bastard arises.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:37:00 No.5844108 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844070
Exactly, he's very naive. Probably wasn't even told WHY he was going out on a hunting trip. So long as we stick with that angle on him, however that turns out, I think we'll survive this encounter.
>>5844085
I'm not sure if it's the best one, it was just the first I could think of. Again, no rush in all of this. We have <9 hours.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 16:45:06 No.5844118 Report

Quoted By: >>5844143

>>5844094

In fairness, the Dius disguise didnt quite work at very short range for Paris, so Nikandros and co shouldn’t expect it work on Hector.

You guys caught Hector by surprise and he’s 60 feet away, and doesn’t know Teukros, so the Dius disguise has worked so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:01:59 No.5844137 Report

Quoted By: >>5844508

Oh no, it’s Hector. If Ajax was here, maybe a fight could've worked. I don't know what to do, my mind springs to the wild idea of challenging him to a Petteia match and hoping we make a big enough bet.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:05:58 No.5844143 Report

Quoted By: >>5844374 >>5844655

>>5844118
Huh, then maybe Teukros taking the initiative and saying something "Paris also thought I was Dius, must be family semblance" could work better, since when Hector notices, whatever lies we tell him will fall apart.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:H971O+Na Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:07:15 No.5844144 Report

Quoted By: >>5844153 >>5844161

Paris wanted to come back and see helen. Dius brings him back and they meet the dioscuri. Polix wanted to spar with Hector to see if he truly was the greatest trojan warrior

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:11:49 No.5844153 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844144
Simple is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:16:08 No.5844161 Report

Quoted By: >>5844171

>>5844144
But what do we do once Hector sees that Teukros is not Dius?
paris saw through the disguise while he was drunk and was darker

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:21:20 No.5844168 Report

Quoted By: >>5844552

>>5843961
>>5843987
Have T say that the dioscuri want a spar.
Come on T we need this.
>>5844089
>Your brother lost a footage too us. And he tripped and hurt himself. And now wants a double or nothing. Praise the gods we ran into you! These boys want to give ya a spar and get twice the goods!

Imply it was some nice item he was going to give us.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:22:36 No.5844171 Report

Quoted By: >>5844552

>>5844161
Say that he learned that he's your cousin. And gave him his colors in friendship...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:32:30 No.5844187 Report

Quoted By: >>5844207 >>5844720 >>5845069

We don't need a spar.
We aren't here for remain we need to leave, spar attracts attention on us because people would want to see it. And attention on us being close and holding Paris with weapons. Thats what we are doing, and Paris simply needs to leave our sides. Then its over. So no spar. Absolutely no spar.
The friendly encounter seems good enough. Hector doesn't know any of us so it can work if he thinks its just Paris fucking around with another group of people fucking around.
Because Paris likely love fucking around and being a young fool

>>5843987
>Write-in
>We all meet on outside of the city, became friends begin to drink and Paris challenged Pollux (Teukros uses another name), making a deal out of it. Others of our groups also partecipated for fun. Paris arrived 3th and lost. Here we are for getting the prize.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:36:56 No.5844190 Report

Quoted By: >>5844199 >>5844208 >>5844720 >>5844856 >>5845069

>>5843987
>Suggest to Pollux that you both charge Hector at once with your javelins, and engage in melee combat. Castor would fire with his bow, and Teukros would continue to restrain Paris. Perhaps together, you can defeat him, and hide the body inside Paris' apartment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:43:29 No.5844199 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844190
My man we ain't wining this fight, at least not without us getting seriously maimed or killed. Please reconsider your vote, or at the very least give us your reasoning as to how you think we can win.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:53:48 No.5844207 Report

Quoted By: >>5844217

>>5844187
Were going with Paris to his room with Helen. The Dioscuri take Hector the fuck away from us to an arena.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:55:29 No.5844208 Report

Quoted By: >>5844211

>>5844190
We can fight after our deception fails. Let's not blow it. We won't leave the city alive. Especially after the 9 gods that sit on Paris dick get pissed that we murdered him and Hector. We just need to get Hector to leave with the Dioscuri.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 17:57:17 No.5844211 Report

Quoted By: >>5844226

>>5844208
I agree with most of this except the kill Hector part. This guy is literally the Trojan version of Achilles and will go on to kill dozens of greek heroes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:03:51 No.5844217 Report

Quoted By: >>5844229 >>5844233

>>5844207
No I refuse and oppose the spar.
You don't understand what happens with a spar. Spar attracts people, people talk about it and then people notice the fucking DIOSCURI are here.
They aren't supposed to be here, none of us is supposed to be in the palace. Everyone here of this group needs to stay together, Pollux and Castor are absolutely needed for their skills in getting the fuck out.

The last thing we need is being split even more, if its just Nikandros and Teukros holding Paris he would definetly try something. And when we found Helene, look at that she doesn't know us. Then we have the situation of being split thrice and that somehow Nikandros and Teukros need to get out while still holding hostage Paris and away with Helene.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:13:22 No.5844226 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844211
I mean you're not wrong. Hence a non killing arena fight our best bet to redirect him outside. Looked like he was going to spar or something anyways. Plus he probably would like to body both the Dioscuri.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:14:22 No.5844229 Report

Quoted By: >>5844240

>>5844217
We're not sparring in the fucking hallway. That would be braindead asf...smdh

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:18:00 No.5844233 Report

Quoted By: >>5844240 >>5844552

>>5844217
Paris obviously invited us into the palace we're fine. UNLESS HECTOR REALIZES WHAT IS HAPPENING AND MURDERS ALLL OF US. HENCE get him outside with the Dioscuri away from Paris and Helen.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:25:17 No.5844240 Report

Quoted By: >>5844247 >>5844271

>>5844229
>>5844233

Anon, to clarify, your plan is convince the Dioscuri to abandon their infiltration attempt at the last possible moment, leaving Helen behind with Nikandros and Teukros, to instead duel Hector publicly in the training yard outside the palace?

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:30:29 No.5844247 Report

Quoted By: >>5844251

>>5844240
Yes. Teukros and I won't fail you. We need a distraction desperately.

I get we might fail to convince pollux. But if we do combat is going to happen anyways. But it's our best shot to try to get him away from us. If not we die gloriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:32:35 No.5844251 Report

Quoted By: >>5844276

>>5844247
Why does your plan just sounds dumber the more you explain it?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZA6dxG5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:32:59 No.5844252 Report

Quoted By: >>5844266 >>5844720 >>5845069

EVERYONE WHO WANT TO VOTE THE WRITE-IN:

We all meet on outside of the city, became friends begin to drink and Paris challenged Pollux (Teukros uses another name), making a deal out of it. Others of our groups also partecipated for fun. Paris arrived 3th and lost. Here we are for getting the prize.

WITHOUT "THE DUEL AGANST HECTOR" PART PLEASE LINK THIS POST

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:44:41 No.5844266 Report

Quoted By: >>5844273

>>5844252
I think the prize could be some special wine reserve he kept stashed away. I'm not sure if the Greeks have wine reserves though. However, perhaps we could lean into the fact that Paris drank all the wine last night and sent Dius back for more but he failed to bring back enough so Paris came back for more wine. Paris does seem like a heavy drinker if last night was anything to go by.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:H971O+Na Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:47:42 No.5844271 Report

Quoted By: >>5844279

>>5844240
The council is today right? Paris being inside the palace is already a win. Teakros is wearing Dius clothes and no one on our side has the cha to convince Hector of much. He's just woken up and is on his way to train, has walked out into the hallway to find this. The man must be confused and that confusing will soon turn to annoyance if this goes on for too long or sounds out of place

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:47:57 No.5844273 Report

Quoted By: >>5844275

>>5844266
This also gets the bonus of being true as Paris did drink all the wine, sent Dius out for more, "Dius" did not bring back enough, with the small addition of Paris bringing his drinking companions back for more wine. I think this is a very good thing to tell Hector which seems to be very believable.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:49:23 No.5844275 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844273
This seems like a better idea since it involves the least outright subterfuge.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:49:29 No.5844276 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844251
That was rude of me, sorry.
I'm stressed because of the situation.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:51:23 No.5844279 Report

Quoted By: >>5844320

>>5844271

>The council is today right?

Correct, the first day will begin in several hours. Nikandros assumes that this will be introductions and initial pitches for how the issue will be resolved; additional days of council will almost certainly be needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:51:28 No.5844280 Report

Quoted By: >>5844283 >>5844306 >>5844424 >>5844430 >>5844451 >>5844608 >>5844720 >>5844856 >>5845069

>Wispher to Teukros to tell Hector that Paris drank all the wine last night, and sent him back for more, he did not bring back enough, so Paris and some drinking companions came back for some more wine that Paris kept in his rooms.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 18:52:30 No.5844283 Report

Quoted By: >>5844300

>>5844280
We can also say that we helped drink all the wine.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 19:13:41 No.5844300 Report

Quoted By: >>5844303

>>5844283
Hector isn't drunk... he will recognize that Teukros isn't dius..... and if he comes closer he will see blood on the clothes. Hence have pollux go spar Hector. So they walk away from us. And teukros doesn't have to answer any questions. Teukros can say he fell in the river and dius had been nice enough to give his clothes after a wager on the footrace.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 19:15:15 No.5844303 Report

Quoted By: >>5844552

>>5844300
We can keep castor. We just need pollux really. Or have castor go get Ajax and palamedes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZA6dxG5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 19:17:22 No.5844306 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844280
We dont have to wisper, just tell Teukros out right, like normal, is will be easy to belive then

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZA6dxG5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 19:24:20 No.5844320 Report

Quoted By: >>5844363

>>5844279
Lesches QM, can we roll with Nikandros INT to see the secret option?

Having a mega smart character is worthless if we can't use his gigabrain.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sun 26 Nov 2023 19:35:29 No.5844332 Report

Quoted By:

I gotta sleep soon, so I'll just put this out here while I have the time.
Mentioning Helen might not be the play here, I think? I'm not sure we can be certain about how much Dius knew. If he was kept in the dark as to why Paris is going on an impromptu hunting trip he might not have even known about Helen!

Man I wish we coulda have kept him alive. Also wishing Polymekanikos had won during chargen, we coulda created bolas for capturing people! *sigh* Oh well, spilled milk and all that

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 20:00:45 No.5844363 Report

Quoted By: >>5844420 >>5846312 >>5851243

>>5844320

This is going to be unpopular, but the answer is: no, players cannot vote to have Nikandros figure out an "I WIN" button by simply rolling dice. This is my final decision and I will not change my mind.

The danger to Nikandros here is EXTREME, and players have placed him here through their choices. Players will need to collectively determine the best way to help him survive, or he will likely die.

However, I will poke the discussion a bit to reflect Nikon's big brain at work. To help players think systematically and improve the quality of write-ins, here are some helpful questions that players should ask:

1) Who are the individuals present in this hallway, and what are their respective goals?

2) What is Nikandros' actual goal here? Are his goals aligned with the others?

3) What is more important to Nikandros - a good relationship with those in his party, or to live? Does loyalty to your friends matter if you are dead?

A few details that Nikandros knows and have been shown in this thread, but I will lay out for clarity:

>At this point in TWQ, multiple Trojans have been shown to be bilingual. Nikandros does not know how proficient Paris or Hector are in Hellenika.

>Nikandros and his group are trespassing in the royal apartments. Achaeans SHOULD NOT be present here. Don't forget that Nikandros, Castor, Pollux and Teukros all went missing during Antenor's religious cleansing yesterday, instead choosing to chase after Paris. It will have been noticed that HALF of Menelaus' diplomatic envoy went missing, even if the Trojans don't know where you guys went.

>Teukros' disguise will not fool Hector at close range, but he does not HAVE to pretend to be Dius either.

>Teukros has not yet announced his royal heritage to the Trojans.

>Paris has not been harmed, and Paris does not know for sure that Dius is dead.

>Pollux is theoretically in charge, given his fame and divine heritage, but Nikandros is feel to execute independent action.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 20:05:16 No.5844374 Report

Quoted By: >>5844556 >>5844720

Posting again about the Teukros/Dius disquise
>>5844143
>>5844093

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sun 26 Nov 2023 20:40:12 No.5844420 Report

Quoted By: >>5844552

>>5844363
I will be frank i am not sure this will help, if anything this might just divide us.
The Dioscuri just want their sister back, and might kill Paris out of anger. Teukros is on board with us in theory, frankly even if he agreed what a few days passed ? Doubt he is fully sure. Nikandros wants war, he knows he breaks an oath with Elektra if he fails.
No neither Pollux or Castor are likely interested in a war, they want Helene and really hate Paris maybe they also disliked trojans. Doesn't mean they want Troy burned.

Nikandros will not live without them, this plan was done on instinct, its not a proper intelligent plan backed by info and knowledge of the palace. Its chaotic and just doing one thing after the other hoping it works. And the intelligence of Nikandros is not truly at his true potential. He is very unexperienced and with no education. So he needs all the help he can for actually see this plan through.
And he will likely kill himself if he betrays his friends, better say his superiors though. His Kleos would be utterly butchered, and the Hippodemon household would be burned to ash.

There is also three very important things
>We are short on time and the gods showed their hand, and helped the trojan
>The rest of the greek expedition risks to die if we fail, or if we don't tell them
>Paris very much has seen what we did to him.
Him not being harmed doesn't truly matter for the trojans, he will want all our heads placed on a spear when he finally can talk. Shit he just might with words make us do that with our own hands.

Ultimately i think we will fail, Hector is too much of a danger and he isnt dumb. We have also been doing this "plan" for much much time. I believe the fake friendship approach might work since Paris likely is a big socializer, and Teukros saying he isnt Dius but someone else is likely better. I am not sure is a good idea for Teukros for say who he is, because Hector might in fact actually know the names (not anything else) of the greek diplo party.
He has never seen any of them, but he is a Prince too important for not be informed by his father of at least this bare minum info.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 20:42:52 No.5844424 Report

Quoted By: >>5844631

>>5844280
I guess I'll change to support this. Just don't pretend to be dius. Just pretend to be a trojan of Paris company.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sun 26 Nov 2023 20:46:20 No.5844430 Report

Quoted By: >>5844720 >>5844856 >>5845069

>>5844280
>>5843987
Fuck it, this is the simplest plan thus far. Supporting unless something better comes along. I'll join with the other anon's stipulation too, Teukros shouldn't pretend to be Dius.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sun 26 Nov 2023 20:54:34 No.5844438 Report

Quoted By: >>5844489 >>5844552

And the last important thing
>This palace and intrigue, are not the battlefield of Nikandros
What i mean by this ? Simple. They aren't where he fights. The dark truth is that, this is truly the worst place for Nikandros. No, someone like Odysseus fits better here not our Thessalian.
But we can't do much about that, because we aren't in a position for choose our battlefields. Our plan, received little planning.

Maybe we could tell Hector, that he has to bring Helene and the robbed treasury of Sparta to this X location, without any guards or men with him, or without him informing anyone in the government or military or otherwise his brother dies. But would it truly work ? It might just be changing a gun to the head situation for another gun to the head situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:09:30 No.5844451 Report

Quoted By: >>5844562 >>5844631 >>5844720 >>5845025 >>5845069 >>5846312 >>5846664

>>5844280
Can't Nikon have Paris lie for this plan instead of Teukie? He does have a ton of charisma, but I guess it would be a question of does he think Hector can save him before the knife kills him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZA6dxG5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:11:46 No.5844452 Report

Quoted By: >>5844461 >>5844475

Lets to pray for big numbers.

Even the shiter, most retarded plan ever will work if we roll better that the enemy. Just remember that we lie to Agamnenon to his face with the most stupid lie ever and it worked.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:18:08 No.5844461 Report

Quoted By: >>5844473

>>5844452
The most retarded plan was to attempt outright to kill Hector and Paris when we know that 1. We cant win, 2. will get one shot, and 3. know that the gods are watching. Hector is favored if not chosen of Apollo and Paris is favored if not chosen of Aphrodite who can legitimately rescue them should we attempt kill them outright. Also, metagaming, but I think there may have been a prophecy that Achilles can only kill Hector.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZA6dxG5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:25:18 No.5844473 Report

Quoted By: >>5844477

>>5844461
No. If we roll better that the gods we win. Because big numbers.

Big numbers mean good things

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:26:34 No.5844475 Report

Quoted By: >>5844489

>>5844452
Rolling well is all good. But the best plan or one of the best, will help us far more than something we think will be detrimental. It might even receive a bonus if Lesches thinks its good

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:27:32 No.5844477 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844473
Great plan, genius even. One small problem. We don't succeed on rolls.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:27:41 No.5844478 Report

Quoted By: >>5844489 >>5845181

The only thing i can say after having though about it is, maybe we could play on Hector's desire to outright avoid war. If i remember correctly Hector wanted peace. Maybe we could just offer Helen for Paris right here and now and get all of this out of the way.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:28:27 No.5844479 Report

Quoted By: >>5844487 >>5844508 >>5844541

>>5843987
I'm not gonna vote, but I'll still observe and complain. Don't be like that man. If you can think of an option that a character should conceivably be able to take you should include it even if it's objectively better than the others. You also include options that are instant death sentences like trying to kill the most dangerous man currently on the continent in his own home where the clash will undoubtedly be heard and draw an entire army to. Don't include trap options if you aren't going to include actual superior ones as well. Especially considering anons sometimes aren't able to see things you do even if they have all the information you do.

At the very least don't tease anons that there's a good way out but you're not telling. That's just plain being a dick. Just my two cents.

But I was really popping in for the meme. I couldn't remember if someone made this one before so I decided to slap it together real quick.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZA6dxG5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:35:53 No.5844487 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844479
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:37:20 No.5844489 Report

Quoted By: >>5844494

>>5844475
So just going dont think about a plan is a
negative to us.

>>5844478
We don't have the knife in our hands with that, things aren't that simple. Lets not be naive. We cannot simply make an exchange here not with Paris being definetly ready for have our blood. We would also hold Helene hostage instead, Castor and Pollux would likely not harm her.
>>5844438
It needs to be an alternative like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:42:43 No.5844494 Report

Quoted By: >>5844536

>>5844489
If thats the case then i have NOTHING. Ill let you guys argue this out.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Sun 26 Nov 2023 21:55:51 No.5844508 Report

Quoted By: >>5844536

>>5844137
>Petteia match
Based. We put our life on the line for a game. Sounds like some anime shit (the good kino type of anime shit).

>>5844479
kek, nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:17:04 No.5844536 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844494
Anything at all can help, if we can try and avoid anything bad and reduce our options to just the best plans then we are on a good track. My idea is hardly good. It could be improved upon or discarded for something better.

>>5844508
l'll give you that it might completely stun Hector, Paris, Pollux, Castor and Teukros for some moments for what we said.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:20:10 No.5844541 Report

Quoted By: >>5844557 >>5844562 >>5844579

>>5844479

I’m sure players would appreciate your insight and your write-in, anon.

Just chiming in to say that only one anon so far has touched on an objectively superior strategy and his post has been ignored so far

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:31:48 No.5844552 Report

Quoted By: >>5844556

>>5844094
>>5844168
>>5844171
>>5844233
>>5844303
>>5844420
>>5844438
>>5844085

These are the posts I think people have ignored.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:34:15 No.5844556 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844552
There's also these ones, since only I replied to myself
>>5844374
And Lesches has gone out of his way to mention Teukros heritage and that the disguise will not hold twice now

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZA6dxG5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:34:53 No.5844557 Report

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>>5844541
You heard anons, vote to attack Hector with your bare hands while Castor disintegrates everything in his path to Helen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:37:24 No.5844562 Report

Quoted By: >>5844575 >>5844608

>>5844541
>Just chiming in to say that only one anon so far has touched on an objectively superior strategy and his post has been ignored so far
You mean this guy?
>>5844451
Hector loves his family, even Paris. Paris is really good at bullshitting. Hector has no reason to think this is a hostile situation so he should be pretty relaxed. All in all, if Paris said we were his friends he met when out hunting Hector would probably buy it. Or maybe this is THE WORST idea because Paris could just flat out say "Help me my vastly better in every way except singing voice and cock size brother!". Paris is the biggest piss baby in Troy though. Fun to speculate but I don't want to kill us.

As for voting I'm on break kek. I realize I'm getting way too stressed over the goings-on in the quest so I'm taking it easy. No rolling or voting for me. Wouldn't want my autistic ass to flip out at all my homies in here, you included.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:45:25 No.5844575 Report

Quoted By: >>5844578

>>5844562
>I realize I'm getting way too stressed over the goings-on in the quest so I'm taking it easy.
Same reason I stopped rolling. It's not good for your health.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:47:55 No.5844578 Report

Quoted By: >>5844580

>>5844575
>here lies anon, death by aneurysm over group make-believe session

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:48:23 No.5844579 Report

Quoted By: >>5844597 >>5844600

>>5844541
That guys just dumb cunt. Don't take him so seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZA6dxG5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:48:47 No.5844580 Report

Quoted By: >>5844585

>>5844578
In your honor

Autumn casts blood-freezing rainfalls
Grief flowing down like the river
Styx of old
In mournful shroud attired

Charon stands shuddering, stills his oars
His boat he is loath to set forth in
That you, hawk, may
In yon deep be never mired

See us haste our stride
Join your gloomy tide
To where sorrows abide
Look forth for us from beyond death’s doorway

Windstorms would gather their forces
To thwart your drear advance
And mountains would eagerly fall in
To a dam in your way stood

Knowing its strife unavailing
Yet lest it should ever lose sight of you
Time itself, death it would hamper
If only it ever could

There was no silken flutter
No farewell ever received
Not one sole parting kiss
On furrowed brow did alight

But a shadow enthralling the autumn
Has instilled its chill in hearts
And you set off down the pathway
In the night.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:54:10 No.5844585 Report

Quoted By: >>5844588

>>5844580
This is why I like this place. The anons are great. This is an artist's rendition of local anon. Nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 22:57:06 No.5844588 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844585
I wish I knew how to edit gifs so I could put helmets on the gigachads

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:Grv8hcuk Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:06:59 No.5844592 Report

Quoted By: >>5844594

even though i cant vote i would urge anons to remember we don't really have plot armor. our plans have gone to shit before because of over looking something

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:RZA6dxG5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:10:17 No.5844594 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844592
Also remember that we are face to face with Hector because we roll a 3.

If we have roll the 12 or 20 we would have be fine.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:12:26 No.5844597 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844579
No it isn't. I use name fag for everything cause I'm a phone poster. And my ip changes. I supported one of the other anon's write in. I had forgotten no acheans in the royal palace so the spar was a bad idea.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:15:57 No.5844600 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844579
I'm just spit balling ideas man. Feel free to poke holes in them. And like anon said don't take me so seriously. And I was against fighting Hector the whole time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:22:44 No.5844608 Report

Quoted By: >>5844611 >>5844615 >>5844662

>>5844562
>biggest piss baby
The Achaeans do have him dead to rights, as in a literal knife poking into his side. As in if shit goes down, Paris stands a pretty good chance of either getting hurt. If Nikon wants Paris to use his charisma for this write-in >>5844280, it depends on how much of a coward Paris is.

Also, is Paris just pronounced like the city?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:25:56 No.5844610 Report

Quoted By:

Wait a second, a fear/intimidation check would be against WILL, I going to say that Paris probably doesn't have the highest of WILL stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:26:14 No.5844611 Report

Quoted By: >>5844616

>>5844608
>Also, is Paris just pronounced like the city?
I don't know, but wikipedia has this to say about it's origin
The Ancient Greek name Πάρις is probably of Luwian origin, and comparable to Parizitis, attested as a Hittite scribe's name.[1] The name is etymologically unrelated to that of France's capital city, derived from the Gallic Parisii tribe.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:30:21 No.5844615 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844608
Paris in Greek has a different vowel length for the "a" but otherwise, yeah. They use an "ah" instead of an "ai". So in English it would be "Pair ees" but in Greek it's "Pah rees". There's also another i that sounds like an e on the end, though whether that's in modern Greek or ancient Greek as well I can't say.

They are linguistically completely unrelated of course. But the French say it closer to the way the Greeks do than the English.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:32:52 No.5844616 Report

Quoted By: >>5844619

>>5844611
Whoops, meant to double the "s" for the English pronunciation, not the "e".

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:38:09 No.5844619 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844616
>can't even link posts properly

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Sun 26 Nov 2023 23:56:32 No.5844631 Report

Quoted By: >>5844720 >>5845069

>>5844424
I'll change my support for
>>5844451
>>5843987
Paris is the best liar and we have him dead to rights. Hopefully he's enough of a coward like we've seen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 27 Nov 2023 00:33:23 No.5844655 Report

Quoted By: >>5844662 >>5844720

>>5844143
>Teukros taking the initiative and saying something "Paris also thought I was Dius, must be family semblance"

whisper to Teukros to reveal his ancestry and that the Dioscuri have been allowed to visit their sister before the talks.
if Hector asks what Paris is doing here it's because he sneaked in the palace to see Helen
Nikon is just here to see if Helen is as good looking as his sister she isn't

i don't want to intimidate Paris than he already is otherwise he might piss himself which would tick Hector off

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 00:42:09 No.5844662 Report

Quoted By: >>5844667

>>5844608
What's fun about lying through our teeth is we can make shit up that is logically consistent. Why are we here? Paris new bud. Why weren't we at the cleansing yesterday? Went out hunting instead for fun also how we met Paris (assuming we introduce ourselves properly or Hector recognizes Pollux and Castor, very likely). Why is Teukie wearing Trojan garb instead of Achaean like everyone else? Got fucking sloshed and puked on his robes, the Trojans graciously let him borrow these since he had no replacement clothes on him. It'd be the funniest fucking set of "well uh"s in history. To put Skinner's steamed hams to shame.

>>5844655
Honestly if Paris does actually piss himself, I think Hector would be extremely confused and ask how absurdly drunk he must be. But either way that would be the greatest send off in history. Killed by piss. I'd die laughing.

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 27 Nov 2023 00:54:21 No.5844667 Report

Quoted By: >>5844670

>>5844662
i already know that everybody will start yelling excuses except for Castor who will just nail Hector in the eyes with an arrow.

also here's a fresh meme

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 00:59:01 No.5844670 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844667
>no more Hector; breaker of horses
>now TRAKTOR; tiller of fields
Man I wish Teukros had the bow now. His archery is almost twice as good as Castor's IIRC. But does Castor do more damage? Hard to say. Also because they aren't using their personal bows here, but a borrowed one of good but not fantastic quality. I feel bad for Castor though. He is VIBRATING with pent-up rage. Probably has years of dealing with Pollux ready to pop-off now combined with shit-heel Paris kidnapping his sister and being RIGHT THERE.

I half expect his hair to burst into flames at any second.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 02:03:54 No.5844720 Report

Quoted By: >>5844722 >>5844724 >>5844730 >>5844856 >>5844893 >>5845006 >>5845034 >>5845058

I'm attempting to collate the various votes and write-ins into an orderly list. Anons, please try to green text your write-ins when you are actually voting. It's hard to distinguish between conjecture and an actual vote unless you actually green text it out.

I'm sure I made mistakes in counting these out - anons, please let me know where I made errors.

Mid-Vote Tally

Pollux will claim that he beat Paris in a competition, we all came back for rewards (like a special wine vintage, etc)

>>5844073
>>5844089 (your most recent vote supersedes your write-in)
>>5844187
>>5844252

Paris was hurt while hunting and now we're back in the palace to help him to his apartment

>>5844080

Contrarian-anon strikes again

>>5844190

Teukros explains that Paris got shitfaced last night and we need more wine!

>>5844280
>>5844430

Teukros intimidates Paris into explaining to Hector that he got shitfaced last night, etc.

>>5844451
>>5844631

Teukros introducing himself as a royal bastard to Hector, and that we're allowed to be here.

>>5844374
>>5844655

---

Friendly reminder that the vote will end in ~12 hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 02:08:52 No.5844722 Report

Quoted By: >>5844728

>>5844720
Odd, the reply to my post didn't show a (You), but the other replies in the thread did. Almost made me think I had to properly vote.
But to be honest, so far I have only written conjecture, spitballed ideas and talked with other anons, and not properly voted.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 02:10:57 No.5844724 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844720
Mines correctly counted.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 02:14:22 No.5844728 Report

Quoted By: >>5844738

>>5844722

Okay, no problem. Have made a note that your post was just spitballing

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 02:14:56 No.5844730 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844720
The dreaded curse of vote tallying. I remember arguing with anons in other quests years ago that they should properly link and greentext when voting. You can imagine how that went down. But there totally is proper etiquette to voting. It just makes it easier when all posts are linked to one so you can hover over the top band of linked posts to count.

Though with extremely contentious or shifting votes it can be pretty useful to have notepad or something open on the side to mark.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 02:26:49 No.5844738 Report

Quoted By: >>5844743 >>5844744 >>5845069

>>5844728
Eh, I'll vote for it properly, why not
>>5843987
>Something else I haven't thought of?
>Tell Teukros to reveal that he is not Dius, and Hector is merely confusing him with someone else. Push him to reveal his ancestry to Priam. Our group met Paris in his hunting trip while we went on hike through Ilium's countryside.

Just realized how weird it is that write-in option is "something I haven't thought of", but at the same time it says there's one good idea that you have thought of, but it's just not listed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 02:30:20 No.5844743 Report

Quoted By: >>5844756

>>5844738
This might be a problem because Acheans were not supposed to be here and we went missing, but the explanation could be that it was Paris is the one that invited us, due to Teukros' ancestry.
Inviting Pollux and Castor really was a mistake, Nikon and Teukros disappearing would be easier to brush off, both the discuri?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:XqVZVwE/ Mon 27 Nov 2023 02:31:22 No.5844744 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844738

That’s a really good point - I got into the habit of writing “something I haven’t thought of?” at some point along the way, but for the last update, not an accurate statement.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 03:01:17 No.5844756 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844743
Always think two steps ahead with lies. Whether we're making Paris use his CHA or Teukros use his CHA, we can supplant it by making a proper thorough series of events to feed to them when necessary. Use that big INT in place of theirs. Cooperation makes a great nation?

Hopefully we can get Hector to speak Hellenic so we can hop in as necessary without looking too shady.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 04:58:46 No.5844823 Report

Quoted By: >>5844893

We should tell Hector he can fuck our sister. That'll confuse him long enough for us to dive through the wall and outside to safety. The walls probably aren't even that thick. The pain is probably thicker than the stone.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Mon 27 Nov 2023 05:22:45 No.5844843 Report

Quoted By: >>5844854

I have some goofy plans. I think the most important thing here is to shut Paris up, and have an excuse to do so. None of the plans yet do that.

>Tell Teukros to immediately turn Paris around, making sure to block the knife at his back from Hector's view with your own body. Let out a loud, stupid, drunken laugh, and tell Teukros to do the same and nothing more or we'll stuff his balls in his mouth after putting it in his ass. Proceed to leave the area as quickly as possible.
My goofiest suggestion but also the one I like the most right now. I feel that this is the easiest ruse to sell, and the safest one should it fail. We will at least have a head start. I feel like the hardest roll here would be that to scare Paris into not doing any shenanigans of his own, and those are our best odds. Lastly, it keeps the party together.
It might be just stupid enough to work.

>While Hector is approaching calmly instruct Teukros to do the following: Introduce [highest CHA in the group] as Odysseus and inform Hector that Ody and Paris have entered into a competition on who can convince the most delegates on the opposing side of the council, but with a twist. The two competitors may not let a single breath leave their lips from the sixmost position of the sun (some greek way of saying the time) until the official start of the council. The starting position inside the palace but with three Greek delegates was considered fair for both sides. Oh would you look at that, the sun just reached the sixmost position, time to start!

>Have Teukros inform Hector that Paris has acquired some manner of Greek disease that is highly infectious, being capable of spreading at distance, but one for which the cure is known. The king has thus allowed one interpreter, one learned man, one assistant, and two donors of divine-tinged blood to seek the Luwian equivalent of the Greek herbs used for the cure. Be sure to mention that the disease's main symptom is that any attempt at speaking comes out as unintelligible gurgles. Should Paris try anything funny fucking punch him in the gut but be discreet about it. Go full 80's slapstick on the motherfucker.

>Have Teukros reveal his ancestry and introduce the rest of the group, then inform Hector that Teukros' Luwian mother has died just recently, and he is here in the palace with Paris' permission to collect some personal effects to bury with her mother's ashes. In the course of fulfilling his mother's last wishes, he has had occasion to venture into Mount Ida, where he chanced upon Paris' camp, who, being touched by his dedication and filial piety, has taken a vow of silence until the rites are concluded.

Just to be clear my vote is for the first plan, but I am willing to change to one of the other less goofy plans. If none win, I like the duel plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 05:38:26 No.5844854 Report

Quoted By: >>5844890 >>5844930

>>5844843
The only thing about the duel is that barring some extreme good and bad luck, Hector wins in a single round. Against anyone of the Achaean delegation except Ajax. While he may not outright one-shot them, he's going to hit hard enough that the battle is a foregone conclusion even if holding back.

Ajax has at max like 16 bonus to damage and 8 bonus to hit? I want to say. Can't remember off the top of my head. Hector is likely not as physically strong but more dexterous. I'd wager he gets a 10 or 12 to damage and probably similar bonus to hit. The best fighter we could offer right now is Pollux and I think he has +5 or 6 to either hit or damage. And in keeping with Hector's namesake, he's probably a brick wall in terms of constitution or defensive traits.

But if we really get down to brass tacks, if we have Pollux or Nikon (yeah, get one-tapped nerd) challenge Hector, everyone else with us right now will have to follow to watch or it would be kinda suspicious. Well, excepting maybe Paris. After all, why WOULDN'T we want to watch great warriors in action?

But anyway, link your vote, goofy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Mon 27 Nov 2023 05:39:27 No.5844856 Report

Quoted By: >>5844941

>>5844080
I like this. If Paris tries anything we just sock him one discreetly. We might even be able to give him a real injury discreetly before Hector gets too close.

>>5844280
>>5844430
I kinda like this too but there's nothing to stop Paris from blowing the entire thing outside of the knife at his back. You should probably switch to the Paris intimidation plan (or vice versa) because those plans both rely on Paris being scared enough to play along

>>5844190
Never change brother

>>5844720
Is it ok to do conditional votes? I might not be able to post later when people shuffle votes around.
By the way, I love how the first thing that came to Nikon's mind was various tactical combat plans, even as he acknowledges that it would be suicide. It reinforces his characterization as military tactician and soldier before being some kind of wacky adventurer.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Mon 27 Nov 2023 06:13:09 No.5844890 Report

Quoted By: >>5844924 >>5844930

>>5844854
I understand and believe you on the crunch side of things, but to me the point of the duel is not to win or even to stall during the fight. The goal is to distract Hector, known fightnerd, with the prospect of a good fight, and to buy enough time before the fight to attract enough of a crowd that we can just slip away. Paris seems to be the type who disdains martial pursuits, and it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that he and his two new friends would just leave instead of watch.

Perhaps the Dioscuri would pose enough of a threat (and a treat!) to keep Hector's attention?

i think i'll save my final vote. i've laid out my preferences for anons anyway. while we're at it, if you're set on throwing away your vote as a protest, why not instead choose from my wacky selection? ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 06:17:02 No.5844893 Report

Quoted By: >>5844924

>>5844720
>Teukros intimidates Paris into explaining to Hector that he got shitfaced last night, etc.
Yup, that's my vote. I'm banking that Paris negative character trait is that he's a coward who easily folds to force, and we have a metaphorical gun but a literal knife pressing into his back right now. I'm not confident enough in Teukie's CHA bonus against what I will assume is an INT check for Hector.
>>5844823
>We should tell Hector he can fuck our sister
I mean out of all the Trojans he is the best personality and skill wise. I do think he would rather die than be captured and dragged off to be made some witch's husband.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 06:49:32 No.5844924 Report

Quoted By: >>5844930

>>5844890
Perhaps we could slip away, but then we'd have to roll again for who we run into in the halls. Well, we probably would have to do that anyway, as we leave with Helen. But probably an extra one beside. My main concern right now is he recognizes the Dioscuri. And by extension realizes we're part of the delegation. I'm sure Priam has filled Hector in on the details.

There is an alternative way to distract him which is to basically fanboy over him. Ask him if we can join his morning training, maybe ask Pollux to come along and introduce him if he doesn't immediately recognize him. The only problem is we'd be rolling for CHA and we'd have to surreptitiously ditch the spears we're carrying, which is only possible from this distance and we'd have to pawn them off on Castor. It's not a good look though. No one here has CHA that can match Paris. Teukros loses a significant amount of his smooth talking bonus when he isn't talking to commoners. His CHA is only actually +3. The other +3 he only gets when dealing with non-nobles. Paris on the other hand has meh will and he's a pushover. I reckon he'd get an effective and huge +5 contextual bonus from Hector, THE MAN being here but then he'd have a huge malus from having one guy who could fold him in half with biceps alone, another guy who could fold him in half with technique, a third man who can also throttle him to death, and finally a dude a knife pressed against his ribs all at the same time and all within arm's reach. It may not be as hard a sell to bully him as it seems.

If we want to examine it critically, we have shit odds lmao. Tremendously shit odds. I'm not abstaining out of protest, I'm doing it for my mental health. Or I'll cry at you and everyone here.

>>5844893
Hector loves his own wife too much. It truly is too bad he's got gusto and principals.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 06:55:10 No.5844930 Report

Quoted By: >>5844934

>>5844924
>>5844890
>>5844854
No acheans ate supposed to be in the royal palace by decree of the king priam. We are going to start a problem if we he realizes we're part of the delegation. Lesches told us that. It's why I changed my vote.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 07:03:31 No.5844934 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844930
Naturally, but can you fault the Dioscuri for wanting to see their sister? Hector probably wouldn't. Nikon and Teukros on the other hand are totally just bus-boys and servants. Yep, don't worry about them.

But the kicker is Paris doesn't know any of that so we can blame being here on him. It's perfect, he insisted we follow him. Of course that's only if Hector does recognize them. Ah the problem with being famous.

It is definitely a bad look, but I'm just entertaining the idea out of fairness. Dismissing people out of turn is rude. And I probably have done so in this thread to someone or another and if so I'd like to formally apologize. And blame Odysseus.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:gTshSWIk Mon 27 Nov 2023 07:34:55 No.5844941 Report

Quoted By:

>>5844856

>can we do conditional votes?

I will politely recommend that anons do not do this, it becomes very difficult to tally when multiple anons do this.

~Six hour warning.

I would encourage all anons and lurkers to make their votes known; Nikandros needs all the help he can get.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Mon 27 Nov 2023 08:28:32 No.5844963 Report

Quoted By: >>5845069

>>5843987
>Teukros reveals his ancestory to Hector. And that he is here to collect whatever effects his mother has left.

Why is Teukros wearing Dius' clothes? Why, as one bastard to another, he said that Teukros should not arrive to the palace dressed in the garbs of a Hellen.

Why the secrecy? Secrecy was not intended great Hector, rather Paris here simply wanted it to happen as quickly as possible, and so we mere mortals have been swept into his gale.

I think these can be helpful reasons if Hector asks.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 09:27:18 No.5844980 Report

Quoted By:

I was thinking about some of the advice Lesches gave. And no this isn't a slight against him. But "Think about what other people want" is very shaky advice. Not because it isn't relevant or important, it very much is, but because some people just don't really get it. I don't blame them. I often don't understand what characters want. Some people when they hear that advice it clicks for them immediately and they get a brainwave. Others not so much. So what'll happen is you have some people who are very cognizant of how to manipulate the characters while others don't. It's kind of interesting, really. Usually the people who can use that info are already aware from the start I'd imagine.

Pollux wants to save his sister, he's driven and singleminded, he's close to his goal and that probably makes him reckless
Castor wants to butcher Paris like a dog and flay him so the world can see his cowardly insides save his sister, he's self-sure but cognizant of the outside world
Teukros probably wants to get out alive, the goal of getting Helen most likely evaporated when fucking Hector stepped out, he's not a coward he's a pragmatist
Paris wants to get out alive, he'll do whatever it takes to survive and do what is most likely to ensure it, secondarily he wants to keep Helen but he'll probably trade her for his life in all honesty
Hector is living his best life, the superior child of a great and FILTHY rich king, a man of simpler tastes and honest pursuits, probably just wants to go train
Nikon wants daddy
And then you got the gods who are doing their best to suck Trojan cock right now. Seriously guys, fuck off, we're killing ourself fast enough without your help thanks.

When you get all reductive it gets simple and palatable but you can't really work with it. You have to psychoanalyze and shit. And that's exhausting. Certain character's goals and motivations matter more than others depending on what you want. If you want Nikon to survive you'll vote differently than if you want Nikon to be glorious. The same goes based on how you view other characters. If you're willing to treat them as expendable. Are you willing to trade the respect of the Dioscuri for success? You could vote to try and throw them under the bus and attempt to finish the mission on our own. Would they hate Nikon for getting the job done and rescuing Helen if it meant using them as chattel? Does it matter? Do you care? But that's Odysseus talk. And no guarantee of victory besides.

There is no clear path so we anons panic. Wish I was smart enough to figure it out but them's the brakes. All we can hope for is good luck.

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Anonymous ID:AmGuz8mp Mon 27 Nov 2023 10:01:27 No.5844996 Report

Quoted By: >>5844999

Today I discover that Pollux and Castor are a thing in Fate, and no, Pollux is the girl. Yeah, that surprise me too.

But you know what is funny? Castor is of class of Avenger. Just Castor, not Pollux.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 10:12:52 No.5844999 Report

Quoted By: >>5845003

>>5844996
Fuck Fate is so weird. It'd be super fucking cool if it wasn't fetishbait. And just plain fetish kek.

>castor is avenger
Considering his attitude this day, it seems to be accurate! That is actually really amusing.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 10:19:33 No.5845001 Report

Quoted By:

Low hanging fruit with the gets, but kinda neat nonetheless, post number 1500 was dubs+trips. Very cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AmGuz8mp Mon 27 Nov 2023 10:26:44 No.5845003 Report

Quoted By: >>5845011

>>5844999
>Fuck Fate is so weird. It'd be super fucking cool if it wasn't fetishbait. And just plain fetish kek.

Don't forget that it "works" based on one of the most unnecessarily complex and frankly autistic power systems that Japan has ever created.

But fuck if the Milf waifus isn't worth it existing on my timeline

>>castor is avenger
>Considering his attitude this day, it seems to be accurate! That is actually really amusing.

He hate all humanity, each and every one. The mortal-born twin.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 10:30:18 No.5845006 Report

Quoted By: >>5845011

>>5844720
Considering all you just said, my vote is to

>Book it

Like literally turn around and run. Jump out a window or something. Leave the argonauts to figure this shit out. Will take a Cleos hit but survive.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 10:40:53 No.5845011 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845003
Japan do be liking their unnecessarily arcane and incomprehensible rules.

>But fuck if the Milf waifus isn't worth it existing on my timeline
Like all of the fetish stuff out there, the art is unusually on point.

>>5845006
I'd suggest voting for whatever you think is most likely to get us to survive other than just sprinting. Mostly because I don't think it's likely there will be a large shift in where the votes fall this late in the count. Do hold out for as long as you feel comfortable of course. Just in case people do decide to switch. Or be truly unshakable and stay your course regardless, I can't actually tell you how to vote. Unfortunately with the way it works, only the winning option truly matters.

Only what, two and a half hours left to vote? It is slightly contentious still. I wonder how close to the wire it'll be. I guess we'll see soon enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AmGuz8mp Mon 27 Nov 2023 10:51:55 No.5845018 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 35 (1d100)

Lady Tyche, what are our chances to survive this encounter with Hector

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AmGuz8mp Mon 27 Nov 2023 10:52:56 No.5845019 Report

Quoted By:

>Higher that 0
HOPE

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 11:03:32 No.5845025 Report

Quoted By: >>5845069

>>5844451
Changing to this, forcing Paris at knife-point to make his bro go away

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Mon 27 Nov 2023 11:23:42 No.5845034 Report

Quoted By: >>5845064 >>5845066 >>5845069

>>5844720
Looks like no one's changing votes. I guess I'm voting for
>Teukros explains that Paris got shitfaced last night and we need more wine!
The advantage for this plan over the one currently winning is that it doesn't require Paris' active participation. I just don't trust any plan that involves Paris opening his mouth.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 11:35:42 No.5845049 Report

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90 minute warning.

Last chance to vote, anons.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 27 Nov 2023 11:51:47 No.5845058 Report

Quoted By: >>5845069

>>5844720
I'll go with this
>Teukros explains that Paris got shitfaced last night and we need more wine!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 12:25:49 No.5845064 Report

Quoted By: >>5845071

>>5845034
The only problem is Dius was the wine runner. And Teukros is wearing his clothes. I doubt Hector knows that but it's something to keep in mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 12:28:43 No.5845066 Report

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>>5845034
>I just don't trust any plan that involves Paris opening his mouth.
Oh and keep in mind that him opening his mouth is how we made it in here at all. It's like the one thing he is good at. I know what mean by don't trust him, I am just being snarky. But still.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 12:34:10 No.5845069 Report

Quoted By: >>5845169 >>5845288

Final Tally

Pollux will claim that he beat Paris in a competition, we all came back for rewards (like a special wine vintage, etc)

>>5844073
>>5844089 (your most recent vote supersedes your write-in)
>>5844187
>>5844252

Paris was hurt while hunting and now we're back in the palace to help him to his apartment

>>5844080 (this vote is superseded by your most recent one, anon)

Contrarian-anon strikes again

>>5844190

Teukros explains that Paris got shitfaced last night and we need more wine!

>>5844280
>>5844430
>>5845034
>>5845058

Teukros intimidates Paris into explaining to Hector that he got shitfaced last night, etc.

>>5844451
>>5844631
>>5845025

Teukros introducing himself as a royal bastard to Hector, and that we're allowed to be here.

>>5844738
>>5844963

---

No clear consensus with 27 min to go.

LAST LAST CHANCE TO SWITCH YOUR VOTES OR CHIME IN, ANONS

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Mon 27 Nov 2023 12:34:51 No.5845071 Report

Quoted By: >>5845072

>>5845064
Dius never made it back for wine last night so unless that is something he always does then I think it’s fine. And if pressed just say enough was not brought back.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 12:36:59 No.5845072 Report

Quoted By: >>5845073

>>5845071
That's why I said I doubt Hector knows. Paris could only have been gone for a couple days. I doubt they drank more than an entire cartful in that span of time. That'd be probably close to what, thirty gallons of wine?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Mon 27 Nov 2023 12:41:46 No.5845073 Report

Quoted By: >>5845079

>>5845072
It’s believable exactly because Paris sent Dius back for more wine. Paris could have just come with some drinking bodies so that there would be enough wine for a couple days. I doubt Paris knows about the talks.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 12:49:43 No.5845079 Report

Quoted By: >>5845085

>>5845073
I am certain Paris doesn't know about the talks. Because he's a brainlet and would insist on being there since it's about "his" woman. Completely missing the fact that him being there would be an unmitigated disaster.

It would still be quite odd that Paris and some Achaeans just so happened to meet at such a time and not other Trojans. A lot of coincidences if you look deeper. Better hope Hector is still happy and relaxed enough to not be paranoid. War is on the horizon after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Mon 27 Nov 2023 12:58:20 No.5845085 Report

Quoted By: >>5845089 >>5845093

>>5845079
It’s going to come down to a dice roll on which plan since the windows about to close. Each of these plans are a desperate last ditch effort to avoid violence.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 13:04:18 No.5845089 Report

Quoted By: >>5845095

>>5845085
Though have you thought why we would be here to fetch wine and not the kitchens or storehouses? Obviously Paris MUST want to go see his wife while he had the chance. But it's strange he brought four people with him for that. Even if they became fast friends.

I dunno. Just sounds like something someone should make up some excuses for. But yeah, too late now.

Whole reason I didn't want to vote is because if I have to watch another plan go up in smoke after people put some real thought into it just from a dice roll I'm gonna fucking lose it. It ain't just frustrating, it's painful.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 13:05:40 No.5845093 Report

Quoted By: >>5845096

>>5845085

The stakes are so high here that I am uncomfortable simply rolling to decide. My hope is that players will coalesce behind a plan through discussion.

There will be a tiebreaker vote window extension until 10am EST. If we’re still deadlocked, I will roll to decide Nikon’s plan

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Mon 27 Nov 2023 13:08:40 No.5845095 Report

Quoted By: >>5845099

>>5845089
Agreed. Not sure if Hector is close enough to see Trojans or recognize the twins but if he asks who we are or why we are here we can say he met us while out hunting (which is true) and that one of us challenged him by saying that there is no way Hellen is as attractive as everybody says or that she would leave a king for a prince and he took that as a challenge.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:UHeJxm3h Mon 27 Nov 2023 13:09:41 No.5845096 Report

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>>5845093
Thanks QM and props for creating such an amazing amount of tension and discussion.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 13:15:11 No.5845099 Report

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>>5845095
The fact that Paris is stupid and probably vain enough to actually make a wager like that and -let- random dudes ogle his girl just to show off is really silly kek. But uh, might not really fly if Hector does recognize the Dioscuri. So that's more of a seat of our pants type thing to say. I mean, it's really weird to come check out your own sister. Unless you're a god of course.

I suppose we could say it was us or Teukros who made such a challenge. We're actually really hindered by not knowing exactly how much Hector knows. I assume he does know the Dioscuri, simply because of how famous they are, and he might have been alive when they visited the city prior? I don't know off the top of my head.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:21:20 No.5845131 Report

Quoted By: >>5845133 >>5845134 >>5845175

bump

This is a QM's cry for help, plz don't make me roll to decide

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:htwR+12w Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:23:22 No.5845133 Report

Quoted By: >>5845136

>>5845131
Make nikons intelligence decide. I haven't felt this anxious about an encounter since early banished quest

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t8vshg8M Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:24:36 No.5845134 Report

Quoted By: >>5845175

>>5845131
You are a great QM and I’m sorry more anons are not chiming to vote or change vote.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:25:01 No.5845135 Report

Quoted By: >>5845141

Just to make everyone more paranoid. Lesches is only desperate to get a vote so he doesn't feel responsible in case the bad option gets picked.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t8vshg8M Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:26:05 No.5845136 Report

Quoted By: >>5845138 >>5845147

>>5845133
Am has already ruled on that please don’t make him repeat. Please break the tie! I can’t because home posting.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t8vshg8M Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:30:03 No.5845138 Report

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>>5845136
In hind sight Paris drank all the wine does not explain the presence of the twins so that one may be a better option.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:38:18 No.5845141 Report

Quoted By: >>5845144

>>5845135
What exactly is the bad option? I hope I ain't the one picking it.

Please help me anons. I genuinely don't know much about Greek mythology or the Trojan war I'm just going with my gut (cause I don't feel like Paris is going to take any accusation of getting beaten in a competition sitting down).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:41:26 No.5845144 Report

Quoted By: >>5845151

>>5845141
Don't worry I'm just joking. I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:htwR+12w Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:43:43 No.5845147 Report

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>>5845136
I can't vote sadly, not registered and phone posting. Only posting now cause I'm so damn invested

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t8vshg8M Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:45:35 No.5845151 Report

Quoted By: >>5845153

>>5845144
The worst option is combat and there is no real better option here just less worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:48:38 No.5845153 Report

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>>5845151
Nah, combat is the suicide option. It's not bad, it's just playing russian roulette with a glock. It'll do exactly what you think it'll do.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t8vshg8M Mon 27 Nov 2023 14:55:39 No.5845156 Report

Quoted By: >>5845158 >>5845161

Whatever happens QM know we appreciate you and we did it to ourselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:00:19 No.5845158 Report

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>>5845156
What a quest that'd be. Never gets out of the "prologue". The Trojan War Quest that didn't even make it into the actual war. Almost comical if it happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:03:18 No.5845161 Report

Quoted By: >>5845232

>>5845156
>We did it to ourselves
Not entirely correct. I'd say persistent roll failures have at least half of the blame. When you introduce RNG to a game the outcome isn't wholly determined by the player.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:11:42 No.5845169 Report

Quoted By: >>5845170 >>5845171 >>5845174

Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>5845069

Seeing that no new votes have come forwards in the emergency vote extension, we must now leave Nikon's life to chance.

1 = Pollux competition deception

2 = Teukros wine deception

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:13:24 No.5845170 Report

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>>5845169

Next update for 2pm EST.

This would be the time to sacrifice to the deathless gods, friends.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t8vshg8M Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:14:03 No.5845171 Report

Quoted By: >>5845178

>>5845169
Now that it is decided which option was worse?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:14:09 No.5845172 Report

Quoted By: >>5845178 >>5845186

If we die, will Nira's sidequest becomea the main one, do we go back to chargen, or does the quest just die?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:15:14 No.5845174 Report

Quoted By: >>5845178

>>5845169
Can you say what was the good hidden idea you had?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:16:32 No.5845175 Report

Quoted By: >>5845184 >>5845232

>>5845131
Will be honest its our fault for picking this option, me especially since i rolled with it and now have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to try and keep it going.
>>5845134
Its still going to come down to a roll to see if Hector buys our bullshit or not. Also something else that needs to be said. Even IF we get out of here, Paris is going to rat on us as SOON as he is out of our reach. We do NOT have an exfiltration plan set up. If we dont find Helen and/or are forced to let Paris go, we will all be killed before the morning ends we have no way out other than running to ships that arent ours. Ajax, Odickseyus and Memelaus will have us killed to keep negotitations going. So anyway we look at it this was probably a mistake to do in the first place.
And i am one of the idiots that voted for it.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:18:09 No.5845178 Report

Quoted By: >>5845241

>>5845171
>>5845174

Will answer these questions if the quest ends.

>>5845172

Not sure yet, honestly. Really, I only ran Deianira's Sidestory as a stalling tactic, until I felt confident enough in my understanding of the Epic Cycle to run TWQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:19:39 No.5845181 Report

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>>5844478
This is me btw. Am phone boasting rn.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:21:43 No.5845184 Report

Quoted By: >>5845192

>>5845175
You didn't think two steps ahead. It is what it is. No one else was thinking that far ahead either.

Pollux and Teukros have the same CHA anyway, right? Maybe Pollux can even rock a kleos check. Who knows.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:22:47 No.5845186 Report

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>>5845172
I mean DESU the quest probably just dies. Im not really interested in starting ALL over again at this point from a personal standpoint.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:29:35 No.5845192 Report

Quoted By: >>5845197 >>5845201

>>5845184
The plan, in my eyes at least, was supposed to be this.

Step 1: Find out that Paris has a known location. (We did this entirely on accident.)
Step 2: Acquire Paris. (Success)
Step 3: Inflitrate the Trojan Royal Palace using Paris as cover. (Moderate Success)
Step 4: Locate and acquire Helen. (We are here.)
Step 5: Exflitrate the Palace with Helen in tow.
Step 6: Win all the Kleos forever.

Seeing as we managed to so BRUTALLY fuck up step 4 and had no plan for step 6, it is safe to say that this was the players being stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:37:52 No.5845197 Report

Quoted By: >>5845201 >>5845204 >>5845209

>>5845192
>Fuck up step 4
We didn't. People need to stop conflating random chance with genuine success or failure. Nikon didn't run into Hector because our plan was bad, we ran into Hector because the dice said so. This is, at the end of the day, a game with RANDOM encounters.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:41:27 No.5845201 Report

Quoted By: >>5845209

>>5845192
See the problem is being aware of the steps isn't planning for them. It's just acknowledging they exist. Nothing was prepared. Though that's not really anyone's fault. There simply wasn't time if we wanted to nab Paris.

I think the biggest annoyance all quest has been the random encounters aren't really random. It's just a coin toss between "are you gonna get fucked in the ass" or "are you going to have a chance to get fucked in the ass if you're stupid about it". d20s are swingy like that. So since there isn't an actual table it's just a sliding scale of danger more than anything. A 14 doesn't mean anything other than "It isn't hostile", not like "it's an animal" or "it's a friendly face". Course that also has it's shortcomings. If it's on a table you may end up with some serious bullshit as well. Tables tend to work better with d100s, which we aren't using so I guess that's moot, eh?

So we really didn't fuck up step four, there was in fact literally nothing we could do other than "be luckier" to not run into Hector. Which we cannot control.

>>5845197
Honestly, when is Pollux going to ask Zeus to come and just make Hector leave. I'm starting to despise Pollux. He literally cannot die here. Even if Hector is about to crush his skull you already know Zeus isn't going to let his favorite boy in the mortal realm bite it. Fuckin plot armor dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:44:33 No.5845204 Report

Quoted By: >>5845208 >>5845210

>>5845197
Problem with that is, aside from ROCKS!, we have had bad dice rolls near the entire quest. I probably should have taken that into account before I voted for the Ocean's Eleven option.
Not going to tell others what to do or how they should have voted cuz that's being a dick. But i was dumb and im sorry anons.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:45:48 No.5845208 Report

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>>5845204
Stop being self deprecating. No single choice led us hear, it's an accumulation of bad rolls and on the spot decisions.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:46:45 No.5845209 Report

Quoted By: >>5845214

>>5845197
>>5845201
No you don't understand, if we were smarter, we could use our big brain to will the dice to have a better result using our superior mind.
But we did choose the most difficult option, and bringing the dioscuri along set us on this path, so it is our fault on, just not in the way anon is proposing

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:48:03 No.5845210 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845204
I'm also having extreme regret over voting for those two options. But it is what it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:54:21 No.5845214 Report

Quoted By: >>5845217

>>5845209
Oh I'm not saying our current predicament isn't the consequences of our actions, just that it's an unfair assessment given the rawdogging we get constantly. Most of our ideas are fine and then wind up spiraling completely out of control at the drop of a hat.

I just chalk it up to the fact that we get punished twice or thrice as hard for bad rolls compared to the reward we get for good rolls. I mean look at the Leukothea encounter. That was a fantastic outcome on the roll which we then had a chance to seriously fuck up with a bad roll/choice. And I know, LBA hellhole and 20s or 1s mean divine intervention and all but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:58:13 No.5845217 Report

Quoted By: >>5845218 >>5845219

>>5845214
Yeah, and even when we succeed against all odds, the loot and kleos gets taken away from us by our superiors.
Being a minor noble is suffering.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 15:59:33 No.5845218 Report

Quoted By: >>5845237

>>5845217
Nah man, Teukie is a minor noble. We're a fucking nobody.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:01:03 No.5845219 Report

Quoted By: >>5845223

>>5845217
I've enjoyed hanging out with Teukros on the trip but that's really been the only highlight. Gonna be real, staying back in Greece and bro'ing out with Achilies was probably the better option.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:03:16 No.5845223 Report

Quoted By: >>5845227

>>5845219
I'll say it again, bastards and princes are the only cool people Nikon knows kek I do miss Achilles though. I wonder how many brothels he's knocked over while waiting now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:05:34 No.5845227 Report

Quoted By: >>5845242

>>5845223
Truth, haven't had a good encounter with any other sort. I'd guess all of them, probably. At least the one's around where he's camped out.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:06:59 No.5845229 Report

Quoted By: >>5845237 >>5845242

>>5843151
I don't get how we got a negative off this roll. We had like 9 degrees of success if not more. Yet we were put to sleep and were late to the apartments which is why we ran into hector...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:07:50 No.5845232 Report

Quoted By: >>5845234 >>5845238 >>5845242

>>5845161
the salt levels have been pretty bad lately. if lesches just decides to up and leave forever i'd understand.
anons just don't know how to handle anger and frustration without making it everyone else's problem.
>>5845161
come on now. are you suggesting a fully narrative-based no roll system? instead of perfectbuildfags we'd get powergaming anons and railroads.
>>5845175
dont fall for the doomer bs.
paris snitching is not a problem because the plan was to bring him to hellas as a hostage. the exit plan was to link up with the rest of the hero characters and fight our way to the ships. they don't have enough demigods to stop us. hector is the only trojan warrior worth the name at this point afaik. no amount of mortal soldiers will stop the entire party. the fancy walls are designed to keep people out not in.
If we do fail, the plan was to let Pollux kill Paris. dead men dont snitch. and if paris is dead no amount of impoverished nobles can stop war, so ajax and the rest wont waste good thessalian blood.
I genuinely believe things were going ok up until we met Hector. Anons had a response or at least a reasonable chance to win a roll against anything but that.
so far these are the major decisions after hearing about mount ida
1) involve dioscuri instead of going immediately
2) kidnap instead of kill paris immediately
I still stand behind these decisions. Without Castor/Pollux's potent divine ancestry, we would not have been able to counter the multiple divinities between Troy and Mount Ida. Not just daimons but capital G Gods/Goddesses. We would have died every time. Kidnapping opened the possibility of more reward at more risk. We could have bullshitted our way through anyone but King Priam and Hector. It was good odds, in a seemingly cursed quest.

People need to grasp that there's no level scaling here. There's no invisible hand gently pushing us away from high level areas.
There's also no strong vision. Everyone's just voting what seems to be the best option at the moment.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:09:49 No.5845234 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845232
Based rock chad

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:E9pTD/j7 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:12:07 No.5845237 Report

Quoted By: >>5845242 >>5845250 >>5845265

>>5845229

I called for a dice+2d20, actually, so this was the travel roll that was accepted, anon

>>5843118

—-

>>5845218

We do technically outrank Teukros in Hellas peerage, being a true born son of Hippomedon. However, in Ilion, Teukros being Hesione’s son would be much more important. Palamedes believes that Teukros would “have more standing than the rest of the diplomatic envoy combined” IIRC from the initial Palamedes encounter

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:12:16 No.5845238 Report

Quoted By: >>5845268

>>5845232
>come on now. are you suggesting a fully narrative-based no roll system? instead of perfectbuildfags we'd get powergaming anons and railroads.
Not at all, you're reading too much into what I said. I never claimed to want to change the system or remove dice, only that the players aren't the final decision makers in an RNG based game. I just want people to understand the current situation doesn't wholly fall on our own shoulders and that there's really nothing to be upset about.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:14:17 No.5845241 Report

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>>5845178
Also, Lesches. Even if people start throwing salt at you for what happens next, i think you have been a pretty great quest runner all told.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:14:53 No.5845242 Report

Quoted By: >>5845268

>>5845227
>mycenae's bastard population ^107%

>>5845229
Rolled a 1 and a 16. 1 means hostile divine action. It is how it is.

>>5845232
Yeah bringing Pollux and Castor has been frustrating, but it was the right choice in that it guaranteed us arms and speed. But they really didn't protect us from any divinities. The river nymph still came in and was a twat. Hypnos still came in and gave us a nap. We haven't seen the divines actively be thwarted. There was some passive resistance like having their immortal horses to keep the train rolling but other than that? Not really much.

I'd have still picked it, but damn.

>>5845237
Teukros was still more famous than Nikon. Even if it was only for being the brother of Ajax and oft at his side. So far as I can tell. The only people who seem to know Nikon exists are the rivers! And we hate them!

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:19:00 No.5845250 Report

Quoted By: >>5845253 >>5845255

>>5845237
Wasn't it still a 1 vs -4?

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:20:48 No.5845253 Report

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>>5845250
I thought that was 2 degrees of success. Then the other one was 16vs 4 should be 6 degrees of success ya?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:21:50 No.5845255 Report

Quoted By: >>5845262

>>5845250
We suffered divine intervention due to the 1 which is unrelated to their -4. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the hunting camp hasn't even realized Paris is missing yet.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:24:29 No.5845262 Report

Quoted By: >>5845272

>>5845255
Ye but they got lower. Wouldn't that be like Zeus being like God damn by children are Chad's? Fuck off hypno. Just wondering. Cause that's a lot of success for near 0 gain. Even with the nat 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:26:19 No.5845265 Report

Quoted By: >>5845270 >>5845272 >>5845291

>>5845237
It was confusing for me because when you said it was the combined roll, my first instinct was that we were meant to add the result, not that they were two individual rolls for some reason I can't explain.
Maybe that's the case for him as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:27:43 No.5845268 Report

Quoted By: >>5845272 >>5845276 >>5845277

>>5845238
yeah sorry. i got what you mean especially downthread. it was just whine town at that point so i responded to that energy and i type slow lmao

>>5845242
That Hypnos nap would have been way more dangerous without them. Two dudes on a chariot falling asleep at the wheel in hostile territory.
And consider that this level of divine meddling is what we got with them. There would only be more fuckery without them and less resistance to boot.
Other quests have this shonen-style 'monster of the week' structure where you never really face anything you can't handle. all choices are essentially cosmetic. with these, you're essentially on the qms railroad.
Some quests have strong overarching plans with paragraph posters and fuckin spreadsheets. generally on sv/sb. here you're essentially on the 'power player clique' railroad.
we just have to temper expectations because this quest is neither. and it must be said there are a bunch more low rolls than other quests.

seriously. ogreciv quest was nonstop 99s/100s. there was like one mediocre roll. qst dice just shrimply worse than tg dice i guess

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:27:59 No.5845270 Report

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>>5845265
Same. Either it was a contested roll and we won handily. Or it was hit 17 and the nat 1 shouldn't matter cause we hit 17.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:30:24 No.5845272 Report

Quoted By: >>5845274 >>5845275

>>5845262
We cant determine how much we actually gained or lost unfortunately because no one saw what happened to the hunting party after we left. We have no further context about it.
>>5845265
Typically 'combined' means together so you're not wrong in this assumption. I also assumed that
>A combined total of 17 to make it back to Ilion in time
meant our 17 would succeed. Which we did, but how much of that was because of the hunting camps own failure can't really be determined without further context from the QM.
>>5845268
No worries man, I get it.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:33:30 No.5845274 Report

Quoted By: >>5845278

>>5845272
"Three hours of rage and terror pass.

After the panic of the first few minutes, a system was rapidly established by yourself and Pollux; a search grid formed. Bizarrely, Paris’"

We lost 3 hrs.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:34:38 No.5845275 Report

Quoted By: >>5845415

>>5845272
He said the first roll was for the camp.... it's the only one we got a -7 malis on

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:35:02 No.5845276 Report

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>>5845268
>That Hypnos nap would have been way more dangerous without them. Two dudes on a chariot falling asleep at the wheel in hostile territory.
Pollux had fallen asleep too, as well as Castor who was notably less able to resist the fatigue and such earlier. He woke us up, but Nikon probably would have been first to wake if he wasn't there. Did it help? Probably. By how much I can't say.

>And consider that this level of divine meddling is what we got with them. There would only be more fuckery without them and less resistance to boot.
That's just conjecture though. We can think that but we can't prove it without Lesches saying so.

I'm not saying they didn't help, but I'm not saying we would have been assfucked thirty times over the span of a single kilometer if they weren't there either you know what I mean?

>seriously. ogreciv quest was nonstop 99s/100s. there was like one mediocre roll. qst dice just shrimply worse than tg dice i guess
I remember the absolute fucking insanity that was ImprovAizen. I have never seen such consistently good luck.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:36:13 No.5845277 Report

Quoted By: >>5845278

>>5845268
It's not /qst/ dice, just trojan war quest dice

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:36:49 No.5845278 Report

Quoted By: >>5845284

>>5845274
I misremembered what the travel roll was actually for. It wasn't contested with the hunting party chasing us but to
>to make it back to Ilion in time.
So yeah, we didn't succeed with a combined roll of 17.
>>5845277
Absolutely, rare to see such a low success rate with the dice here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:38:16 No.5845280 Report

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Also, part of the insanity of ogre civ was that 100s, 1s and doubles (11, 22, 33...) were all crit successes, on top of having regular successes on high results, like 70+

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:41:30 No.5845284 Report

Quoted By: >>5845292

>>5845278
Tyche and Nemesis are just having a giggle.
Anyway, no more complaining guys, remember what happened to Homer. Even if I think it's more tame right now, it should still sap enthusiasm .
As much as I hope that Lesches is made of sterner stuff, it's better safe then sorry. Let's try to not drive away another good QM, alright?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:42:31 No.5845286 Report

Quoted By: >>5845294 >>5845301 >>5845303

Guys please stop bitching about the dice. I dont want to see Lesches up and leave like Homer did.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:44:13 No.5845288 Report

Quoted By: >>5845301 >>5845312 >>5848072

>>5845069
>Something else I haven't thought of?
Tell Hector the truth. We are from the diplomatic party coming to negotiate the return of Helen.
We went to Mount Ida, found Paris, and returned him here. This is Pollux and Castor, whom bear a grudge against Paris, but have opted to give him a chance to return Helen. This is Teukros, your cousin, whom has decided to assist us, and I'm Nikandros, the man who thought of this plan.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:45:24 No.5845291 Report

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>>5845265
Oh, the "for some reason I can't explain." is for why I thought it was added results, and not that it was two different rolls by the way.
Because you never added results before, so why did I think you have done that out of nowhere?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:45:53 No.5845292 Report

Quoted By: >>5845295

>>5845284
>he doesn't know lesches has secretly been homer this entire time

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:46:25 No.5845294 Report

Quoted By: >>5845303

>>5845286
Homer left because he's a bitch who couldn't handle frustrated players. Lesches hasn't done anything wrong and isn't at fault for bad dice. I like Lesches, he's been a good QM.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:46:42 No.5845295 Report

Quoted By: >>5845298

>>5845292
Odysseus-tier bamboozle

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:49:02 No.5845298 Report

Quoted By: >>5845303

>>5845295
Man if there is one thing I want to be able to do in this quest, just once, is to one-up Odysseus and just s m i l e at the guy. I'd cream my tunic. Just do something cool he can't take credit for or just make him look like a fool. Mh, good eatin'.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:50:33 No.5845301 Report

Quoted By: >>5845303 >>5845311

>>5845288
This actually could've been a good plan. Oh well.

>>5845286
This. Let's not have another perfectbuildfag situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:54:16 No.5845303 Report

Quoted By: >>5845304 >>5845307 >>5845311 >>5845333

>>5845298
If we survive the heist, that should give enough opportunity.
>>5845286
>>5845294
>>5845301
This is now a Lesches appreciation thread. Post what you like about our QM.
I like his earnest enthusiasm about the world, the languages, the cultures, the characters, the players and the quest itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:55:35 No.5845304 Report

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>>5845303
I like how high he rolls.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:56:41 No.5845307 Report

Quoted By: >>5845308

>>5845303
I like how he explains shit and doesn't flake when people ask him to elaborate.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:57:19 No.5845308 Report

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>>5845307
This DESU

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 16:59:26 No.5845311 Report

Quoted By: >>5845333

>>5845301
>perfectbuildfag
I still don't quite get that guy's damage. I can understand being upset over being sub-optimal sure. But that level of hostility over it? Bro needed Jesus. And Jesus ain't here for a while yet.

>>5845303
Survive the heist? That's small potatoes. I want to survive the war. Then sail to his home before he can and adopt his son (who is older than us) and raise him to be a cooler dude. His wife can stay though, she's too much woman for us, straight up. She's a bad bitch.

You think I'm going to give praise just because someone asks? yeah ok
Being perfectly honest, I like how he had the guts to actually step into big shoes. But also the temperance to take it slow to acclimate. Those are two surprisingly difficult things.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t8vshg8M Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:00:36 No.5845312 Report

Quoted By: >>5845321

>>5845288
Nice plan except for the murder of Dius, us holding Paris at knife point, beating Paris, and Paris going to be asked by Hector what’s going on. Still a much better idea than most of these option.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:13:21 No.5845321 Report

Quoted By: >>5845323

>>5845312
Just say we defended ourselves once Dius tried to murder us after we explained what we were trying to do and Paris is drunk.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:AmGuz8mp Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:14:29 No.5845323 Report

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>>5845321
Lol

Lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:25:51 No.5845333 Report

Quoted By: >>5845335

>>5845303
I like how flexible he is with our autism.

>>5845311
Probably unironically had the tims.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:27:19 No.5845335 Report

Quoted By: >>5845337 >>5845346 >>5845364

>>5845333
>Probably unironically had the tims.
I unironically have the tism kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0hKo/Joz Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:30:27 No.5845337 Report

Quoted By: >>5845341

>>5845335
Remember that we have 35% chance of surviving this, dont lose hope

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0hKo/Joz Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:31:28 No.5845339 Report

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Sorry wrong post

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:32:49 No.5845341 Report

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>>5845337

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:41:36 No.5845346 Report

Quoted By: >>5845359

>>5845335
So what extra bonuses did pick with the extra point from the Autism malus?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:0hKo/Joz Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:49:41 No.5845355 Report

Quoted By: >>5845361 >>5845364 >>5845415

Whatever happen next, it was a honor edit shity memes and post poetry and songs for this quest.

Here one for dad, or maybe us.

Eyes pulled towards the holy peak
Clearly defined on the horizon
Each wind from there
Carries a memory of you

Certainty of your wit and strengh
Drowns me in lowliness
Doubly sting the wounds
That nobody else can see

Guest in Hades's hall
Until you are given pass
To song of Muses, in weave of Fates
The thread strengthened by fortune
From former fathers, former mothers
Your perpetual lineage

Guest in Hades's hall
Until Fates spin you a new thread
From water you were brought forth
By water you will be brought back

From water you were brought forth
By water you will be brought back.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:53:57 No.5845359 Report

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>>5845346
Literate. Don't take it, it's a trap.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:56:32 No.5845361 Report

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>>5845355

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 27 Nov 2023 17:58:32 No.5845364 Report

Quoted By: >>5845387

>>5845335
Based?

>>5845355
Based.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 18:35:32 No.5845387 Report

Quoted By: >>5845397

>>5845364
>Based?
I got to tell the more mentally deficient kids in the SpEd classes to fuck with people. It was a good time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 27 Nov 2023 18:52:32 No.5845397 Report

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>>5845387
lmao, nice

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 19:18:39 No.5845415 Report

Quoted By: >>5845417 >>5845420 >>5845718

>>5845355

I, for one, am glad that based poetry has emerged from the players.

>>5845275

Anon, I'll give you a full breakdown of the travel rolls/recent events. Please note that players had previously voted to bring in the Dioscuri and by definition, give up command of the party to Pollux. You guys effectively traded control of the mission for a short-term bonus to the travel/Paris abduction aspects

>>5839757

This was the roll to see how far Paris' boys made it to Ida. I had previously determined that each point represents 5% of the distance to Ida (20 travel points needed to get there). Paris left a day before Nik and company did, so he had two days to travel there. I applied a -4 malus because Paris and his boys are in no rush and are traveling with multiple carts, chariots, etc.

Anyways, it's an additive roll and they only made it 17 distance points - they didn't even reach the real slopes of the mountain. Paris is lazy and wants to booze, etc.

>>5839795

Anons roll a 9 and make pretty mediocre progress towards Ida - barely halfway there by late afternoon. This means that players get an encounter roll. If you guys had rolled a 17 or higher, you would have found Paris by late afternoon and skipped the encounter.

>>5840355

You guys choose to persuade Pollux to engage in the most dangerous mission possible once Paris is obtained and you guys actually succeed in your attempt. Then, Nikandros botches the Dius encounter - otherwise, you would have had an uninjured/wounded Trojan to utilize as well as Paris. If Dius was alive, it would have opened additional possibilities for Palace infiltration and provided you guys with much more information about the best way to get in and out.

>>5842585

You guys roll a 20 and make unbelievable progress in a short time, catching Paris just after nightfall on the same day you left.

Then you guys actually capture Paris unharmed, triggering a race back to Ilion. Paris' CHA is so high, he needs to be gagged or he might diplomance his way out of the situation. I give you guys two days of travel (2d20) time and you need to score a 17 or higher to actually make it back and make the Palace raid possible.

>>5843118

You guys actually make it back barely in time, but there's literally no real time for strategy or clever tactics - Pollux simply uses Paris like a security pass and blasts through all checkpoints ASAP. Paris' natural CHA is so high and he's a big wussy, so he does nothing to stop Pollux while he's held at knifepoint.

>>5843553

You guys get VERY unlucky with the encounter roll, but trust me when I say that rolling a 1 or 2 would have been worse for Nikandros.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 19:22:34 No.5845417 Report

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>>5845415
This is what I'm talking about, however little we understand about what's happening you actually try and elaborate. Thank you Lesches.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 19:26:44 No.5845420 Report

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>>5845415
Ah makes sense. Thanks bruv for taking the time to explain it.

So back to snagging persephone from hades? Ya. Kek

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:11:06 No.5845441 Report

Quoted By: >>5845445 >>5845446

Teukros says nothing, but gives a friendly wave to Hector – which is not returned. Hector begins marching quickly towards your party, his panoplia clinking within his hide bag – you can tell by the set of his shoulders that he is alarmed and irritated.

You’re forced to invent a wild falsehood in the bare moment you have before Hector closes the distance. All of you, except Paris, plaster broad smiles across your faces. Teukros shifts - you have no doubt that his hands grip your Lebinthian knife even tighter against Paris' side. Castor subtly shifts his hand-positioning on Dius’ bow, and as for yourself, your right hand drifts to your right hip; where you can quickly draw the Salaminian javelin hidden against your bulky torso.

You hiss at Pollux as quietly as you can – the blonde pugilist still standing by Paris’ side, whose sandaled feet square up - ready to propel him into combat. You say:

“We met Paris on his hunting trip, he challenges us to an archery context, you win, we drink all night, now we’re back to collect your trophy.” As you finish, you say a silent prayer to Zeus the thunderer, and to whatever deity you owe the ichor flowing in your veins – desperation making you suddenly as zealous as a priest.

Pollux is frozen as he considers your suggestion – his sky-blue eyes flick towards Castor's eyes of riverstone brown... and Castor shrugs – worth a try?.

Teukros jabs at Paris, hissing in his ear, and causing him to jump slightly – and Paris calls out to Hector, falsely cheery:

“Beste broer, hoe gaat het? Ik ben teruggekomen!”

Pollux clears his voice, and launches into a halting pidgin – you realize with dread you have made a significant oversight - Pollux is not fluent in Luwian! He knows only bits and pieces of the language that he must have gathered during his decades of adventuring. At points, he becomes stuck and is supplied Luwian phrases from Teukros, who barely moves his lips, in a fervent whisper.

“[iHeer Hector, lord of men! Goedemorgen! Ach, hoe zeg je dat… I am Atromenos, and this is my brother, Telekles!” he says, pointing at Castor. “My friends, my brother and I - we hebben Lord Paris twee avonden geleden ontmoet – Ah, Zeus – how does one say it? The godlike Paris challenged me to a contest of archery. But I defeated him!” Pollux manages to laugh drunkenly.

“Heer Paris zette een gouden schaal in... and now we are here to collect the prize! Parijs geeft ons een rondleiding!”

Hector seems to ignore Pollux’s greeting entirely, and is now only fifteen strides distant, his pace accelerating, and he is close enough for you to see the concern and anger splashed over his noble features. Hector calls to Paris again, the clear sounding of a brazen horn:

>cont, will call for rolls momentarily.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:t8vshg8M Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:15:23 No.5845445 Report

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>>5845441
I guess this was the dumb one.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:15:48 No.5845446 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845441
>Pollux is not fluent in Luwian!
HAH. Fuck me what a goof. Yeah I guess we never really thought about that, huh? Whoops.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:24:17 No.5845454 Report

Quoted By: >>5845459 >>5845462 >>5845469 >>5845718

Rolled 13, 6, 14, 16 + 1 = 50 (4d20 + 1)

“Parijs, wat is dit voor onzin? Er wordt niet van je verwacht dat je terug- Wie zijn deze mannen?! Waar fluister je over?”

---

>okay players, I need TWO rolls of dice+1d20+-3 for Pollux’s deception attempt.

>I’m assigning a -1 malus for the actual content of the write-in. This story about an athletic competition necessitating a very early morning trip into the most secure part of the palace is implausible at best, but Paris is sort of an idiot and could actually do something dumb like this. I’m also assigning an additional -5 context malus because you guys are a bunch of Hellenic strangers in the Royal Apartments, and Hector is not stupid – you absolutely should not be here.

>However, I am also assigning a partial bonus for Pollux’s delivery (+3 normally, but since he doesn’t speak Luwian fluently, only a +2). I am also assigning a general +1 bonus because while Paris has been roughed up during his journey, Pollux and Castor were smart enough not to damage his face – he appears to be totally unharmed and standing at ease amongst you.

>As for Hector, he is somewhat sharp by noble standards and has a +1 INT bonus; this is his weakest stat, obviously. I’ve giving him four context dice here (one extra die because Paris should be out of the city and boozing in the first place, another extra die because you guys are armed strangers in a secure wing of the Palace).

It's been a pleasure to QM for you, anons

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:28:04 No.5845459 Report

Quoted By: >>5845466 >>5845473 >>5845479 >>5845489

Rolled 6 - 3 (1d20 - 3)

>>5845454
>another extra die because you guys are armed strangers in a secure wing of the Palace).
But he doesn't know that? Aren't the weapons hidden?

But yeah we're fucking dead now GG. Oh well. Smartest guy in the room everyone, forgets a very simple detail. kek.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:29:06 No.5845462 Report

Quoted By: >>5845479 >>5845489

Rolled 9 - 3 (1d20 - 3)

>>5845454
Well boys. We need a nat 20...Praise Zeus praise grandpa. 20 get

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:31:09 No.5845466 Report

Quoted By: >>5845471

>>5845459
:( we had a good run. Let's see who dies first.

Time to ask for hostage swap or unmolested escort to our boats.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:32:43 No.5845469 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845454
If we die can we reroll a character and hear about all this. It'll probably start the war....kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:32:49 No.5845471 Report

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>>5845466
Nah dude, we're dead. Us and Teukros. Pollux and Castor escape on plot armor. Hector isn't going to fuck around and try to capture us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:dLNp63xi Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:34:47 No.5845473 Report

Quoted By: >>5845477

>>5845459
Collapsible fold-down concealed throwing spears. Brand new tech, straight from the blacksmith's forge

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:36:37 No.5845474 Report

Quoted By:

Disappointing

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:38:58 No.5845477 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845473
I'm just confused because Lesches did put in the updates "hidden" in reference to the spears and even bow. I guess yeah he's just close enough that he can plainly see them but it's still kind of like ??? why mention them as hidden at all, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:39:45 No.5845478 Report

Quoted By: >>5845488

kleos check?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:42:17 No.5845479 Report

Quoted By: >>5845481 >>5845494

Rolled 19, 1, 20, 13, 1 = 54 (5d20)

>>5845459
>>5845462

>6 vs 19
>total failure

Hector halts in position suddenly, feet firmly planted on the tiles, and he draws one of his training spears from his back.

"Paris - Spreken!"

Paris is paralyzed - the situation seems to overwhelm him entirely, and he can only manage a sort of strangled grunt. Fear is written across Paris' features - and instinctively, each of you in the group change your stances, preparing for combat.

To a warrior like Hector, this is a flashing red flag. He roars out:

"INDRINGERS IN DE KONINKLIJKE APPARTEMENTEN! INDRINGERS! BESCHERMERS!

His training spear flashes - he is preparing to cast!

>I'm rolling initiative for Hector, Paris, Pollux, Castor and Teukros in this order with manual +10/+4/+3/+4/+6 bonii

>Players, I need a dice+1d20+1 for Nikon's initiative.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:44:01 No.5845481 Report

Quoted By: >>5845488

Rolled 13 + 1 (1d20 + 1)

>>5845479

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:46:28 No.5845483 Report

Quoted By: >>5845488

This is still not the worst timeline. We still have a chance. Teukros and us are still alive. He has yet to draw weapons. We can invoke Priams name, we can say that we have spilled no blood (for all they know Dius is fine and just tied up naked in the woods), we can run in all directions and try to find a place to hide, we can try and barricade ourselves in Hellen’s room, we can do so many things. No matter what option we chose besides being honest we knew something like this would happen.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:51:04 No.5845488 Report

Quoted By: >>5845490 >>5845491 >>5845492

Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>5845481

Okay, initiative goes as follows:

Hector: 29
Pollux: 23
Castor: 17
Nik: 14
Teukros: 7
Paris: 5

I'm rolling for Hector cast targeting now. 1 = Pollux. 2 = Teukros.

>>5845478
>>5845483

Gentleman, the time for discourse is passed. If you defeat him, further conversation might be possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:52:36 No.5845489 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845459
>>5845462
...........
Man the dice truly do fucking hate us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:53:26 No.5845490 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845488
Boss fight!
Mission objection: Survive
Priority: Objective
Que the dark souls music!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:54:01 No.5845491 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845488
>Defeat Hector.
All he has to do is summon guards and probably ALL of his brothers from the rooms that SURROUND us.
No. We should tell the rest to run and sacrifice ourselves.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:54:24 No.5845492 Report

Quoted By: >>5845495 >>5845496

Rolled 6, 19, 7, 19, 12, 2 = 65 (6d20)

>>5845488

Rolling for Hector's training spear attack on Pollux (first set of 3 dice) , and Pollux's defense (2nd set of three dice). Hector attacks with a +14 bonus. Pollux defends with a +3 bonus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:55:23 No.5845494 Report

Quoted By: >>5845588

>>5845479
>teukros and paris both get a 1
Makes sense. They're effectively already grappling.

Well since we're basically as good as dead. For whatever you want to do next Lesches, if you run another quest later or keep on with this one somehow or shift over to just Nira, in the future please keep in mind that anons are not actually the character. If we're playing a certifiable genius, hold their hands with decision making. Nikon should not have forgotten Pollux doesn't speak Luwian. I know you don't want to totally coddle and baby your players but in some cases you have to. Maybe you don't want to drop "Hey yeah be aware of X" but you should at least make real hints that anons can use to tease it out. People dig their heels in VERY hard after they vote most of the time. I mean fuck look at how hard I was trying to convince people to take a moment and rethink things and nothing You can't repeatedly state at how exceptional the player character is in a certain way and then anons flat out make the opposite appear true. Especially not when you're making the game itself extraordinarily hard. I know, it's a dangerous time, but that doesn't mean you should just throw your hands up and say "deal with it". Also please don't doomsay so hard. This one is a personal gripe but it really kills enthusiasm when you have to constantly be reminded that you're more than likely gonna fucking die and your chances of success are basically nil every other post. At least keep it tasteful.

If we do survive this somehow, fan-fucking-tastic, I'll be back. But I haven't slept in over a day and I need a nap. Good luck everyone. Sorry for being such a preachy dicknose.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:55:58 No.5845495 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845492
> +14 bonus
> FUCKING PLUS FOURTEEN.
QM just skip to us getting murdered.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:57:29 No.5845496 Report

Quoted By: >>5845497 >>5845498

>>5845492

>33 vs 23
>Hector hits and wounds with his training spear cast.

Someone roll me a dice+1d2+14 to see how many wounds Pollux is dealt.

Unfortunately, we'll have to stop here and pick up again at 9pm EST or so. We may be able to finish things tonight.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 20:59:43 No.5845497 Report

Quoted By: >>5845500

Rolled 1 + 14 (1d2 + 14)

>>5845496
At this rate Castor might straight end up enter a godly rage.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:00:05 No.5845498 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845496
That is fucking ominous!

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:03:45 No.5845500 Report

Quoted By: >>5845501 >>5845502 >>5845504 >>5845507 >>5845524 >>5845533 >>5845537 >>5845557 >>5845615

Rolled 1 (1d36)

>>5845497

Funny that you mention it - I'm calling for aristeia rolls next, now that true combat has begun.

Players, please pick a character and roll for them. I'll take the first correct roll for each character. An aristeia will proc on a 1.

Nikandros: dice+1d24
Castor: dice+1d37
Pollux: dice+1d11
Teukros: dice+1d39
Hector: what I roll
Paris: dice+1d42

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:04:52 No.5845501 Report

Quoted By: >>5845503 >>5845559 >>5845718

>>5845500

Wow, Hector enters aristeia. Fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:07:52 No.5845502 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 5 (1d39)

>>5845500

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:09:02 No.5845503 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845501
>Hector goes berserk.
>Gains OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!! Stats.
Just write us dying horrifically please.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:09:10 No.5845504 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 11 (1d24)

>>5845500
Nikandros

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:11:25 No.5845507 Report

Quoted By: >>5845511

>>5845500
What is wrong with you and your fucking dice!!! It keeps getting worse!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:14:03 No.5845511 Report

Quoted By: >>5845514

>>5845507
Bruh why do you think im asking him to just write our death scene and get it over with. All i hope for is that while he butchers us MAYBE the rest will escape.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:14:42 No.5845512 Report

Quoted By: >>5845520

I am honestly looking forward to how Pollux’s plot armor will survive this. Could you imagine this was almost happening to Teukros?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:16:54 No.5845514 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845511
I’m hoping a god shows up. No way are they not watching this. I’m also hoping he eats us last.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:17:54 No.5845516 Report

Quoted By:

Looking at it on the bright side, we did fulfill our oaths to Electra and start the war.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DEjvFg1L Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:19:39 No.5845520 Report

Quoted By: >>5845523

>>5845512
>Pollux
>Plot Armor
The only thing in the Iliad about him is that he died before the war lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:21:55 No.5845523 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845520
>Pollux was spared his OG fate only to be killed by us instead.
....I feel really bad now. Like wow, we are an asshole.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:22:27 No.5845524 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 6 (1d11)

>>5845500
Pollux

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:22:32 No.5845525 Report

Quoted By: >>5845530 >>5845534

If aristeia is a hero’s greatest moment of glory then we may have just saved Achilles as I doubt a hero gets more than one in their life.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:25:39 No.5845530 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845525
Achilies beats the shit out of Hector during the war so bad the gods have to step in multiple times during their duel to stop him from getting instagibbed. The pecking order is Achilies>>>Hector/Ajax>>>>>>>Everyone else.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:28:04 No.5845533 Report

Quoted By: >>5845540 >>5845543 >>5845559

Rolled 2 (1d39)

>>5845500
I'm rolling for Teukros. Out of everyone here I hope he survives.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:28:22 No.5845534 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845525
Achilles dies due to plot from Paris, not Hector. Really all we did was correct the timeline here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:29:25 No.5845537 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 30 (1d42)

>>5845500
Sure why not
>Paris

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:30:18 No.5845540 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845533
Give us this QM!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:31:46 No.5845543 Report

Quoted By: >>5845546

>>5845533
Nevemind someone already rolled for him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:33:07 No.5845545 Report

Quoted By:

>tfw finish reading the archives recently and looking forward to next thread so I can get in and vote early
For FUCKS SAKE
there's a difference between tragedy and dickery and the dice are dicking all right

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:33:14 No.5845546 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845543
I don't see any roll for him besides my own.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:38:20 No.5845550 Report

Quoted By: >>5845555 >>5845562

An anon already rolled d39. I’m fine also with a fade to black where our fate is left oblivious.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:41:03 No.5845555 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845550
I'm gonna be pedantic and say he rolled incorrectly because he didn't say Teuk's name. Thus, dibs.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0hKo/Joz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:41:55 No.5845557 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 17 (1d42)

>>5845500
Paris

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:45:08 No.5845559 Report

Quoted By: >>5845564 >>5845580 >>5845588 >>5845610 >>5845718 >>5845775

>>5845501

Okay, I think I have a thematic solution for this.

Update tonight between 9-10pm.

>>5845533

Sorry - only a natural 1 will proc.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:46:10 No.5845560 Report

Quoted By: >>5845718

Dying in the fucking prologue all because we rolled like shit on a side quest. QM please pull some background bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:46:16 No.5845562 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845550
>Hector goes full berserk.
>We have even the remotest chance of survival.
No we are dying here. We should tell the others to run. Sacrifice ourselves, do the noble and honorable thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:46:45 No.5845564 Report

Quoted By: >>5845566

>>5845559
does he get so mad he gets a stroke?
otherwise i don't think i want to read it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:0hKo/Joz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:49:19 No.5845566 Report

Quoted By: >>5845571

Rolled 7, 55 = 62 (2d100)

>>5845564
Lady Tyche, what are our chances of surviving? And that you hate us?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:cHSho5qb Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:52:10 No.5845571 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845566
Low chance of survival, but doesn't actually hate us. Just ambivalent.

Accurate, I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:54:15 No.5845575 Report

Quoted By: >>5845576

Hellen is about to lose both her brothers and has to live with knowing it’s her fault.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:55:17 No.5845576 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845575
Do you really think a whore like her cares?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:56:46 No.5845580 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845559
Can you tell us what was the right option now?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Mon 27 Nov 2023 21:58:43 No.5845582 Report

Quoted By: >>5845615

Also I shall attempt to look on the bright side of our death.
Atleast I'm not going to be so stressed about the quest anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 27 Nov 2023 22:18:20 No.5845588 Report

Quoted By: >>5845605 >>5845615

>>5845559
Thanks for QMing. You did a good job and don't let others say otherwise.

>>5845494
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 22:29:52 No.5845605 Report

Quoted By: >>5845615

>>5845588
This quest brought so much joy and I am sad to see it go down in flames. I can only imagine how you feel QM. Please don’t give up on QMing as you been great and it has been a pleasure to see your writing develop. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise but yes it feels railroady but that is just because we were so invested in our character thanks to you. We blew our shot when failed to pic a smart plan despite being given extra time to do so. Atleast we may not have failed our oath as there is a women out there possibly with our child and our sister is still alive even though we failed to achieve any glory.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Mon 27 Nov 2023 22:32:42 No.5845610 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845559
Time to vote to kill Paris before we all die.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C3+hQ071 Mon 27 Nov 2023 22:33:06 No.5845612 Report

Quoted By: >>5845740

To all those who voted to fight look what happened. We did not even get past initiative.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 22:34:55 No.5845615 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845500
Sure am glad I went to take a nap instead of try to power through more. I would have actually cried seeing this.

Not even given a chance to surrender or anything. Just instantly butchered. Jesus fucking Christ. Really just plain fucking stupid at this point. And people say it's wrong to bitch about the dice. Genuinely unbelievable.

Now I just feel like a prick for not actually voting or trying harder when I had the chance, I might've been able to tie break or get a three-way tie. Well it's been fun guys. This quest was the highlight of my day when I could get into it. Y'all were fantastic. God what a massive letdown of an end to such a great quest.

>>5845582
I guess. I've probably got a stomach ulcer cause of it at this point. I really just desperately wanted Nikon to succeed.

>>5845588
Not even that, we didn't even have a plan. All we had was abuse the entire time.

>>5845605
You know, if we rolled for the enemy as well we'd be a king somewhere by now. What a joke. Nira's probably dead on the road to get her foot fixed at this rate. Yes I am very bitter.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Mon 27 Nov 2023 23:05:12 No.5845640 Report

Quoted By:

Fuck it. Nothing stopping me from 40k posting again.

>Sing praise to the glory of Nikandros Hippomedion who died gloriously in combat against Hector, the greatest son of Troy, alongside the legendary Dioscuri while attempting to save the stolen Hellen.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Mon 27 Nov 2023 23:13:39 No.5845644 Report

Quoted By: >>5845654

Is killing your family considered evil in Greek myth/culture? If Hector kills Teukros is he cursed for killing his nephew?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 23:33:49 No.5845654 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845644
There is sometimes. It depends. Orestes was cursed for most of his life for killing his mom. But since Paris isn't cursed for killing his cousin, I doubt Hector would be cursed for killing his nephew. Not like the gods really give a shit anyway. They play favorites.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 23:47:31 No.5845667 Report

Quoted By: >>5845672

Well, I guess this is just how the cookie crumbles.
The only way I would see Nikon and co getting out of this is by either getting really luck with dice rolls or Helen coming out and seeing her brothers getting killed and making everyone stop fighting.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 27 Nov 2023 23:52:07 No.5845672 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845667
There's plenty of ways out of it. None of them are up to us though.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:69feajOc Tue 28 Nov 2023 00:57:02 No.5845718 Report

Quoted By: >>5845752

>>5845415
Ah well.
Then i blame the bastard of Antenor, that roll going well didn't really help with the high risk and high reward. And we had many a taste of what this quest actually means by high risk.
To be completely fair after that info reveal from the bastard it was too much of a rush. I frankly didn't truly know what to truly do at certain points, too uncertain beside for the stuff i voted which looked good at the time. Dius being alive would have really help.
But frankly also capturing another troyan servant.

Brainstorming becomes difficult too in a situation of big danger, and we didn't think about Pollux not knowing much of Luwian.

>>5845454
and well its over.
>>5845501
Yes indeed over.

>>5845559
Kek, has in an end or something else. I can hardly see it, i do hope Nikandros life ends rapidly. His life has been pretty shitty so I just want that. He hasnt achieved his goals, his oaths are broken, he failed his plan and he is no champion or favored by deities. For the last point he never arrived to the point of gods taking true notice and interest.
Nira eh, we were in a sort of good situation with her but I ll be honest even with Hekate help she would be rapidly surrounded by jackals from all sides. And then Nikandros news death arrives.
We can start with someone else, i don't want to read how the Hippodemon house is burned months after.

>>5845560
This quest is hyper lethal nothing to do about it. I am definetly going for an easier
prologue like no travel to troy, because I want to actually get to the war part next character.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 01:15:44 No.5845735 Report

Quoted By: >>5845761

I really do feel bad for the others here. Us dying and them getting away WOULD be the best outcome here. Sadly poor Teukros is probably going to fucking die. Sure the twins will probably make it out cuz Daddy Zeus and all that, but i dont want Teukros to suffer for our utter failure.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 01:18:20 No.5845740 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845612
Why do you think i withdrew my vote?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Tue 28 Nov 2023 01:24:32 No.5845752 Report

Quoted By: >>5845772

>>5845718
>next character
>assuming there will ever be another trojan quest
I'm sorry anon but I don't feel that's likely

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Tue 28 Nov 2023 01:29:42 No.5845761 Report

Quoted By: >>5845768

>>5845735
If Teukros dies here than Nikandros better die here too. Friends Never Abandon Friends (FNAF). Also Ajax would skullfuck Nikandros if he somehow lived anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 01:32:53 No.5845768 Report

Quoted By: >>5845770

>>5845761
Hector is using training spears. Maybe he's just going to take our eye out and break our neck and shatter all of our ribs and rupture one of our testicles when we dive in front of Teukie to save him from certain death. We regen. We'll survive. Probably. Ajax would absolutely kill us if Teukros died. Hector's an honorable guy, maybe he'd respect that enough not to flatten our skull.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 01:37:17 No.5845770 Report

Quoted By: >>5845773

>>5845768
>Training Spears
>Hector just gained OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stats due to going hyper berserk.
He could probably just rip us in half with his bare hands. No, we are dead. No ifs, ands or buts. We need to make our death count.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:0hKo/Joz Tue 28 Nov 2023 01:39:08 No.5845772 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845752

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 01:39:18 No.5845773 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845770
I was trying to be funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 01:39:47 No.5845775 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845559
So here is a question. You gonna run a different quest once we die horribly here? It doesnt have to be Trojan War rleated, but i do like you as a QM.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 03:36:29 No.5845863 Report

Quoted By: >>5845887 >>5845896 >>5846489 >>5865098

Hector’s arm is an indistinct blur, and the spear leaves his whirling grip like a thunderbolt.

And then -

It hangs there, motionless - suspended before the greatest son of Ilion.

You cannot breathe.

Your mind tries to make sense of things. Hector is a graven statue; frozen in mid-cast, he is kneeling with his release. His face is a study in righteous anger; the patriot who stops at nothing to save his kin. The eternal warrior; the immortal legend. Your envy is eternal. His robes are suspended in mid-air; the hide bag of his panoplia lies forgotten at his feet.

You cannot hear anything. Not even your own heartbeat. Strange.

You cannot breathe.

You try to turn your head, but you cannot. You try to move your eyes, and they slide so slowly – the smallest shifting takes hours, days. To your side, your friends and compatriots standing at the ready - Pollux, Castor, Teukros, dressed in scarlet, and your hostage, Paris. You know this - but you cannot see them; your head will not turn. From the corner of your eyes, you see a glimpse of Teukros’ red robe, but this is all.

You cannot breathe.

All you see is Hector; the doom of you and your κλέος alike. Far beyond him, the door leading to Paris’ apartments, and to Helen.

You spend an eternity staring at the threshold; a sleepless, dreamless period of days, months, years. You cease wondering why you have been granted this indeterminable period of consideration.

You cannot breathe.

You invent poetry. You write love songs. You conquer Ilion, the First Platoon at their head. You conquer Mycenae as King of Argos. Hector crushes your skull, your spine, your lungs, your heart. You find a husband for Deianira; she dies a maiden; she kills you for power. You sail away from Hellas to a shining island to the west. You observe the murals of the Olympians painted precisely on the walls of the royal hallway - you will never know which of them is your forebear.

You evaluate your mistakes, your fatal errors. The first and smallest was to wake the Dioscuri, you decide. The second - to convince Pollux to raid the palace. The third - failure to capture Dius alive. The fourth and largest - failure to utilize Paris. Why didn’t you consider that Paris himself could be induced to pacify Hector? He had opened the gates of the palace itself with his gilded tongue; scattered the guards with a word. Pollux had warned you numerous times that he must be gagged due to the power of his tongue… And yet, when the moment came, you fumbled.

And the fifth - failure to surrender, when there was still control.

At each point, you cast caution aside, thrust away reason, and charged into the unknown. Hubris - the arrogance of a young man who believed he could write his name into the heavens. You consider your short life - the pleasures, the small victories. The harsh future that awaits your sister. You weep without tears, or breath, or motion.

You cannot weep.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 03:55:45 No.5845887 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845863
>failure to utilize Paris.
Gee, who could have seen that coming. It's almost as if people were arguing for it the entire time. Knew I should have laid on train tracks earlier instead. What a shit day. At least anon was vindicated in his suggestion.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:04:14 No.5845896 Report

Quoted By: >>5845908 >>5845914

>>5845863
>the filename's Kronos
Time Travel?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:12:37 No.5845906 Report

Quoted By:

There is motion in Hector’s spear, after all. How many eons have you spent here without noticing it? The subtlest rotation of its polished spearhead; the shine of the oak rippling by the smallest of margins.

And then you see them, exiting Paris’ apartment, as if nothing was strange at all. They stride closer - it is Lord Antenor, his wife, Theano, and their daughter, Crino. They are dressed richly, as they were during the feast two nights ago - two lifetimes ago.

But of course - that is not who they are.

They stop to regard Hector - Theano speaks, but you cannot hear her clearly. The sound of silk rubbing against itself; the choir of a thousand doves.

And then Antenor speaks, a mountain shaking itself apart; the sky rending itself to pieces.

Crino says nothing, shaking her head, dark tresses cascading over her bared shoulders. They move beyond Hector, standing before your group – before Pollux, you realize.

The Trojans begin speaking amongst themselves; Crino is doubtful, eyes downcast. Theano, still beautiful despite her advanced age, motions firmly with her hands – resolute, decisive. Antenor peers at them carefully, and then at Pollux, saying nothing.

Antenor speaks, and you hear the muted reply – catching only fragments:

“Forgive me. I – my companion,” replies the greater of Dioscuri, before continuing faintly “- too far, I see – but I beg you –“

Antenor suddenly turns to peer at you – and ten thousand stones crush you; ten thousand hooks pry apart your flesh, your mind. It is infinite – it is an instant. Antenor turns to depart, striding past Hector. Theano follows at his heels; they turn into Hector’s apartment, closing the door silently behind them.

Now beautiful Crino approaches, she of the shining eyes, and speaks – his voice the clear ring of bronze on bronze; the soft sounds of wool upon the loom.

>cont

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:12:42 No.5845908 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845896
More likely a moment hanging in time; life flashing before his eyes in the second between life and death

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:15:15 No.5845914 Report

Quoted By: >>5845922

>>5845896
No. Just no. Let the quest end. Let Nikon dies to save his friends. Just fucking no. I do not want to partake in a quest after we get Prince of Persia'd backwards. It will literally become either:
A) We take EVERY bad option avalible like a gambling addict that was just given a marker at a casino to make up for what we lost here.
or
B) We literally avoid all dice rolling forever and become a passenger.
Niether of these options are fun. Hell this quest isnt fucking fun anymore if us doing ANYTHING exciting leads to our demise.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:16:37 No.5845915 Report

“Do not be afraid, Nikandros of Thessaly. You have already seen too much. You were not meant for this, nor will you remember this moment, stretched to make room for counsel and debate.”

Hector’s spear wafts forward infinitesimally, brushing the air aside.

Was it all for nothing? I had only just begun...

”And yet, an intercession has been made for you, because you have done something unexpected, because you have amused us, and because it is not yet too late to make amends. But amends are earned."

Crino holds up her hands and lowers her head in a merciful gesture:

”I have been given leave to offer you a choice, Nikandros. If I nudge Hector’s spear to the left, it will strike you and kill you. If I do this, Teukros of Salamis will live a long and prosperous life as a king; your sister will flourish despite your death. If I nudge the spear to the right, it will strike Teukros of Salamis, and he will be killed, sent to King Minos for judging. If I do this, you will have another uncertain chance to earn the glory that you seek, with no promise of success - and your sister's life depends on your actions.”

”You may ask no questions of me, Nikandros; look to the left if you wish to spare Teukros. Look to the right, if you wish to know the true costs of glory.

>what do, /qst/? This vote will end at 10pm EST tomorrow night.

>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.

>Look right – Teukros dies, and Nikandros goes on to fight in a darker world.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:18:26 No.5845919 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.
I swear to god if ANY OF YOU EVEN THINK OTHERWISE.....

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:18:48 No.5845921 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look right – Teukros dies, and Nikandros goes on to fight in a darker world.
I want to see this tragic world.
So this is how Pollux's prophecy armor works.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:18:49 No.5845922 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845914
I mean, didn't really get a chance to participate before nikandros fucking died

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:18:53 No.5845923 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.

Ah yes, our options are
A.) End the quest
or
B.) End the quest the next time we have to roll another actual combat encounter.
Why is this even a choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:20:30 No.5845927 Report

Quoted By: >>5845929 >>5845936 >>5846426 >>5846998 >>5847060

>>5845915
>>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.
End quest now or end quest in 2 updates time when Ajax finds us.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:21:51 No.5845929 Report

Quoted By: >>5845932 >>5845933 >>5846180

>>5845927

What’s in Nikandros’ pocket, anon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:23:47 No.5845931 Report

Quoted By:

Honestly, I don't care anymore. I'm exhausted. I know I'm gonna wind up screaming into the void or being thwarted by plain bad luck in the future. I really did love this quest. It's been fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:24:19 No.5845932 Report

Quoted By: >>5845933 >>5846180

>>5845929
Nepenthe

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:25:00 No.5845933 Report

Quoted By: >>5845941 >>5845945

>>5845929
Two javelins and a fistful of pocket sand?
>>5845932
I would love for that to be the case but didn't we leave that on the ship in our gear box?

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:uds36sla Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:25:54 No.5845936 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845927
It's a real shame too because I LOVE this quest and what Lesches has done, but it's better Nikon dies here saving his friend then alone and friendless in the next hypothetical thread. I mean really he'll die either way, he just doesn't match up unfortunately, but it was fun to pretend even for a little while.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:26:21 No.5845939 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look right – Teukros dies, and Nikandros goes on to fight in a darker world.

Glorious. Thank you Lesches.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:26:49 No.5845941 Report

Quoted By: >>5846180

>>5845933
>I would love for that to be the case
I take that the fuck back. No way in hell is it okay to use Nepenthe on Ajax THIS fucking early when it's entirely our fault that Teukros dies.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:27:29 No.5845945 Report

Quoted By: >>5845959

>>5845933
>The nepenthe vials, sitting inside your coin-pouch, tied to your belt.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:33:35 No.5845954 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:35:54 No.5845959 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845945
You're right. Either way it's still fucked up.

Now, for every other anon reading I'd like to inform you the Greek parable Hermes and the Woodman. There is a none zero chance that we're being fucked with by this god/ess. We could very well chose the selfish reason and end up getting killed for it. Or there's the same chance we save Teukros and are rewarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2Z8l/B5j Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:38:30 No.5845963 Report

Quoted By: >>5845997 >>5846426 >>5846760

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods

No other choice, cant let him die before he impregnates sis.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DEjvFg1L Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:43:14 No.5845965 Report

Quoted By: >>5845974 >>5846070

Fascinating. Either the players are too moralfaggy to continue playing in the Bronze Age, or they're trve sociopath heroes who will act like it henceforth.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:47:13 No.5845968 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look right – Teukros dies, and Nikandros goes on to fight in a darker world.
How can I not go for a proper Greek tragedy?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:3VweJA2t Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:50:08 No.5845971 Report

Quoted By: >>5845997 >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 04:52:43 No.5845974 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845965
>Become an actual monster to keep playing.
No. Fuck that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:05:41 No.5845990 Report

Quoted By:

>Me, going to check the thread: "Oh boy, I sure hope Anons had luck on their side in this encounter!"
>HECTOR
What the fuck man. I'm actually saddened by this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HZmAYTu6 Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:09:34 No.5845993 Report

Quoted By: >>5845997 >>5846426 >>5846558 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.

To save a brother by bond and a sister by blood? Well worth it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lE7LdxlT Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:11:46 No.5845996 Report

Quoted By: >>5845997 >>5846021 >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.
It is only right and just

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:12:28 No.5845997 Report

Quoted By: >>5846021

>>5845993
>>5845971
>>5845963
>>5845996
Please link back to your previous posts if you're a 1PID vote.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zdF/n5BI Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:12:46 No.5845998 Report

Quoted By: >>5846005

>1 Post IDs ENTER
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:14:53 No.5846005 Report

Quoted By: >>5846259 >>5846426 >>5846998

ok i am kinda pissed that letting paris talk was the canon better option. no way anyone's that stupid. he's got to know he's getting killed at the first convenient opportunity. this was his best chance to escape. and yet the odds of convincing him to dig his own grave are better than those for the (admittedly not great) winning plan. he must do some real stupid shit in the iliad apart from the obvious.

also there's a bunch of anons telling me that there is only one objectively and morally correct answer so have one last contrarian vote. in honor of contrarianon.
>>5845915
>Look right – Teukros dies, and Nikandros goes on to fight in a darker world.

>>5845998
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HZmAYTu6 Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:16:24 No.5846011 Report

Quoted By: >>5846558

>>5842960
This be my last post. The last few votes were just hard to actually decide on, So I decide to abstain and stop reading the thread for a couple days.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lE7LdxlT Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:23:14 No.5846021 Report

Quoted By: >>5846028

>>5845997
I'm >>5845996
I'm still reading thread 1

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:26:25 No.5846028 Report

Quoted By: >>5846030

>>5846021
You've got some homework then.
>One-post ID votes will be ignored, unless they back-link their previous posts, to claim them for identification.
>Players must “register” by posting within the thread within 48 hours of thread creation; only “registered” posters will have valid votes.
>Players who miss initial “registration” window may choose to provide six lines of original poetry in Homeric style OR an original TWQ meme of high quality to register.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lE7LdxlT Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:27:39 No.5846030 Report

Quoted By: >>5846037

>>5846028
Well RIP
I hope you guys make it somehow

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:31:10 No.5846037 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846030
No worries anon, for what it's worth regardless of what happens next you should continue reading the archive. It's good.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:54:59 No.5846066 Report

Quoted By: >>5846071 >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look right – Teukros dies, and Nikandros goes on to fight in a darker world.
Poor T. Guys I know we love him. But timea and kleos takes sacrifices.
Well time to go body king mino and get T back. We can get persephone too right?

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:57:01 No.5846070 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845965
Based rock chad. The horrors of war. They think it's a party and everyone lives happily ever after.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 05:58:51 No.5846071 Report

Quoted By: >>5846080

>>5846066
>We can get persephone too right?
You should look into the story of Pirithous for how well trying to take Persephone goes.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Tue 28 Nov 2023 06:08:44 No.5846080 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846071
Never look back fren.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 07:46:10 No.5846179 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.
Fuck this

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 07:48:44 No.5846180 Report

Quoted By: >>5846256 >>5846275 >>5846379 >>5846419

>>5845929
>>5845932
>>5845941
Goddammit anons are too dumb to understand simple cues again. The Nephrene can take Hector out of his rage.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:W+n7sBy9 Tue 28 Nov 2023 08:43:24 No.5846216 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.

i don't believe the gods but is best to see our oikos, teukros and sister live, even if we utterly fail.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:ZQlKXhGi Tue 28 Nov 2023 09:45:25 No.5846256 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426

>>5846180
How do you feed it to him as he kills all of us?
Please sir stop killing us and drink this totally not suspect drink.

And desu the people that revoted for pollux saying he won a contest just totally ignored lesches saying dumb idea multiple times. Acheans weren't supposed to be in the royal palace. And we knew pollux didn't speak ludwins. That's the whole reason we used Teukros and Palamedes as interpreters.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:VwuJFkEp Tue 28 Nov 2023 09:48:28 No.5846259 Report

Quoted By: >>5846312

>>5846005
Lesches flat out told us that. In his clarification post.

People just read it and ignored it or didn't read it and then voted for the same dumb stuff.

It was the whole reason I changed my vote. I was the person that pushed the spar so hard until he informed us of key things.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:P68v80rB Tue 28 Nov 2023 10:03:09 No.5846262 Report

Quoted By: >>5846276

>>5845915
>>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.
>>5845915

How can man die better: than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:P68v80rB Tue 28 Nov 2023 10:06:07 No.5846263 Report

Quoted By:

Also, remember that we say to the Dioscori that we will give a sacrifice for our sister. We just don't say what type.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:P68v80rB Tue 28 Nov 2023 10:34:41 No.5846275 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846180
Unless throw it to his face left him as a zombie, we are dead

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:P68v80rB Tue 28 Nov 2023 10:39:47 No.5846276 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
Fuck why not?
>>5846262
Change my vote, use the Nepenthe

The only vote to this will get

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Tue 28 Nov 2023 11:11:44 No.5846290 Report

Quoted By: >>5846312 >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.

one little grace at least.
Teukros survives because berserk Hector thinks he's Dius

though killed by a training spear, was it our fate we thought avoided against Diomedes?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:flyFJdno Tue 28 Nov 2023 11:48:35 No.5846312 Report

Quoted By: >>5846313 >>5846664

>>5846259
are you talking about this (>>5844363) one?
i dont see it. nowhere does he say 'paris is a colossal idiot/pussy'. the closest thing is this line:
>1) Who are the individuals present in this hallway, and what are their respective goals?
and maybe this one:
>Paris has not been harmed, and Paris does not know for sure that Dius is dead.

imagine this. youre paris. four greek dudes kidnap you to try and sneak into the palace. what could four greek dudes possibly want that they'd risk kidnapping princes and breaching the highest security location in the realm? obviously helen. if these dudes want helen back, how do they feel about the guy who 'kidnapped' her in the first place? obviously we're not holding him for ransom. if we were we'd be going far from troy not inside the damn palace. if its not ransom they want, whats going to happen to you after the plan? if the choice is death now with a small chance of escape or death/worse fate later, why would you ever cooperate?

like if you're in an uber then the driver locks the door and tells you youre getting kidnapped, then suddenly a cop car asks the car to pull over. the window rolls down and its your brother. your brother is literally holding his gun in his hand. youre really going 'this is bob we're getting food at chipotle do you want anything?' youre not even going to try to hint at anything? at most maybe if youre scared youd shut up and just hope the cop puts things together on his own, but i just cant imagine anyone actively helping the kidnapper kidnap their own damn self.

its just like this >>5844451 anon said. we looked at the same set of facts and got two different conclusions. maybe you have more info on the classics or on hostage situations. i just dont think he would have cooperated with what i know.

to be fair my writeins were pretty stupid. the high level trojan nobles know something's up with the greeks. the staff and soldiers are complacent. but we shouldnt have just hoped we wouldn't bump into anyone halfway competent. Aside from King Priam and Hector, we could have bumped into Antenor or one of his sons. Imagine if it was Pedaeus we bumped into.

Next time we do any sneaky shit this side of the aegean, we should remember to bring the damn horse.

>>5846290
wont that be just poetic. hubris really is our flaw. imagine if we get hit in the same spot on the forehead.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:P68v80rB Tue 28 Nov 2023 11:52:59 No.5846313 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846312
>Aside from King Priam and Hector, we could have bumped into Antenor or one of his sons. Imagine if it was Pedaeus we bumped into.

Or we rolled a 20 and find Nike who open a magic gate so we can escape with Hellen

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 13:41:31 No.5846372 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426 >>5846998

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 13:50:50 No.5846379 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846180
Lesches replied about the Nephente over a comment talking about Ajax, not Hector

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 14:38:01 No.5846419 Report

Quoted By: >>5846426

>>5846180
Alright, first Hector is in a blood rage trying to kill us. How do you plan on feeding it to him? Second, the Nephrene is in reference to giving it to Ajax after we get his little brother killed which will still ultimately annihilate what little of a relationship we had with him anyways.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 14:48:58 No.5846426 Report

Quoted By: >>5846452 >>5846460 >>5846466 >>5846544 >>5846558 >>5846600

Mid-Vote Tally

Please let me know if I made any tallying mistakes!

Save Teukros, kill yourself

>>5845919
>>5845923
>>5845927
>>5845954
>>5845963
>>5846179
>>5846216
>>5846290
>>5846372

Save yourself, kill Teukros

>>5845921
>>5845939
>>5845968
>>5846005
>>5846066

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Non-registered voters

>>5845971 (one post ID)
>>5845993 (technically a 2-post ID, but anon has not backlinked their prior votes, provided a meme, poetry etc to register)
>>5845996 (technically a 3-post ID, but anon has not backlinked their prior votes, provided a meme, poetry etc to register)
>>5846276 (technically a 5-post ID, but anon has not backlinked their prior votes, provided a meme, poetry etc to register)

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>>5846256
>>5846419

Anons, please use your critical thinking skills here.

The spear that is about to kill Pollux is being diverted by the gods - Nikandros can pick who it kills. However, once this happens, what next? Hector is still in an aristeia in the hallway along with Pollux and Castor. What do you think the gods will do next?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:oms9Pr6V Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:15:37 No.5846452 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846426
>Anons, please use your critical thinking skills here.
That's a very high request for qst anons. Last vote proved that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:19:53 No.5846460 Report

Quoted By: >>5846501

>>5846426
Hey Lesches, you will do the reveal if the look left option wins, because that would end the quest, right?
All this shitflinging between anons saying which option was the correct one is tiring

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZbEuxOPB Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:22:19 No.5846466 Report

Quoted By: >>5846474 >>5846477

>>5846426
>Anons, please use your critical thinking skills here.

are you saying we could make the spear hit someone else, or maybe the place it hits? like a shoulder hit instead of a killing hit?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:P68v80rB Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:29:35 No.5846474 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846466
No. The gods stoped time, and now let you choose who die

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:29:44 No.5846477 Report

Quoted By: >>5846478 >>5846482 >>5846496

>>5846466

>are you saying we could make the spear hit someone else, or maybe the place it hits? like a shoulder hit instead of a killing hit?

No, that is not what I am saying. Forget about the spear for a minute - what happens AFTER Nikandros/Teukros die in the hallway?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:32:31 No.5846478 Report

Quoted By: >>5846485

>>5846477
Can I try?
Since Pollux and Castor are being protected by the gods, likely because they are prophesied to die in a specific way, the gods will take Hector out of aristeia so they do not die right here and now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZbEuxOPB Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:34:48 No.5846482 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846477
what happens after?

pollux and co, will get off with a slap on the wrist?
Teukros lives: he will be thrown in jail for some time.
Nikandros lives: Ajax will want revenge, either on us or Hector (probably both)
either way a major breach on negotiations have been made, and the war will probably start?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:38:24 No.5846485 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846478
I do not know much about the mythology of the Dioscuri by the way, so I don't know what's supposed to happen to the twins other then that prophecy we received by the god pretending to be the prince.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:42:25 No.5846489 Report

Quoted By: >>5846501

>>5845863
Nevermind, there was this
>failure to utilize Paris.
So that was probably what Lesches meant by the correct option

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:44:25 No.5846490 Report

Quoted By:

Although there was also this
>failure to surrender
So there was yet another option to live, but it likely would have resulted in a bad end anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:48:32 No.5846496 Report

Quoted By: >>5846540

>>5846477
.....yknow i have my suspicions but im not going to say cuz it will just cause more shitflinging.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 15:54:05 No.5846501 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846489
I didn't link correctly, it was meant to be a reply to this post
>>5846460
And then end with a reply to the update I that I had to read twice.

I just woke up, I must be still be groggy.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:19:28 No.5846540 Report

Quoted By: >>5846544 >>5846546 >>5846807

>>5846496

I appreciate the sentiment, anon, but one could argue that a lack of thoughtful debate and open communication between players is what put Nikandros in this horrible situation to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:23:03 No.5846544 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846426
>Anons, please use your critical thinking skills here.
Thinking too hard about this shit is what got us in trouble in the first place. The javelin wasn't aimed at us, now our options are to take the hit or make Teukros take the hit. If we take the hit, the party is still sitting in front of Hector. If Teukros takes the hit then we're still sitting in front of Hector. Should we just close are eyes?

>>5846540
I wholly disagree, talking too much and getting into our own heads about it is what put us in this situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:23:48 No.5846546 Report

Quoted By: >>5846548 >>5846551

>>5846540
No im being serious. You REALLY do NOT want me to post what i think you are about to do. I REALLY hope that i am wrong here. I really do.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZbEuxOPB Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:25:32 No.5846548 Report

Quoted By: >>5846552

>>5846546
just tell us anon, what are your thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:27:05 No.5846551 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846546
Come on anon, don't blue balls us. You can't say something that inspires such curiosity and not follow up on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:28:05 No.5846552 Report

Quoted By: >>5847488

>>5846548
I will wait and see if Lesches hangs himself here or not. What i am thinking will NOT inspire thoughful conversation. It will only provoke. Like i said i REALLY REALLY hope he doesnt.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:bXk3TCFY Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:29:20 No.5846558 Report

Quoted By: >>5846563

>>5846426
>>5846011
>>5845993
>>5828199
This is my oldest post on the thread. Happy? This is a pain in the ass, even If I understand why.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:30:48 No.5846561 Report

Quoted By: >>5846568

Imagine if this, the entire quest, was all a vision of MAXIUMUM SEER Nikandros.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:31:00 No.5846563 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846558

Noted, thank you anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:jXTYR/pG Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:33:27 No.5846567 Report

Quoted By: >>5846794

I'm just a lurker but there's only one worthy option here and that is to die with honor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:33:33 No.5846568 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846561
A horrible nightmare.
He then wakes up to meet with his friend and neighbor combatandros to talk about it while he caves in a barbaroi with his fists

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ol9oek5B Tue 28 Nov 2023 16:49:29 No.5846600 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846426
Polux will be stripped of his divinity for continuing after being warned bot to do something outside his station

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:DZK7ZnpH Tue 28 Nov 2023 17:11:57 No.5846641 Report

Quoted By: >>5846643 >>5846648

While I haven't participated or even lurked in this quest at all before this vote, I have to say that the emotions on display by Anons here at (possibly) the end of it all is testament to the quality of Lesches writing. Only an audience fully invested in the fate of Nikandros and his party would rage-, cope- and doompost like this. Even if the quest ends here I hope he remains and continues QM'ing in the future. Maybe next time I can find the time to participate myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:iblf7ie/ Tue 28 Nov 2023 17:13:25 No.5846643 Report

Quoted By: >>5846864

>>5846641
I'd like him to try his hand at a norse saga

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 17:14:45 No.5846648 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846641
Cute pig

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Tue 28 Nov 2023 17:25:20 No.5846664 Report

Quoted By: >>5846672

>>5846312
That gave context. But it was referring to this post. It followed after Paris got us past all the guards
>>5844451

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Tue 28 Nov 2023 17:28:09 No.5846672 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846664
Lesches even then said there was a post that hadn't gotten much traction that was the best idea. Then people jumped on pollux pretending to be a Trojan. After another anon had already said ONLY Teukros knows ludwin. And I had changed my vote. From pollux to have Paris lie for us.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 18:03:40 No.5846721 Report

Quoted By: >>5847185

~9 hour warning until vote closes.

Last chance, anons - if any of you would like to see Nikandros survive the morning, this is your final opportunity to make a pitch, convert some "save Teukros" votes, and continue TWQ as Punished Nikon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZbEuxOPB Tue 28 Nov 2023 18:13:02 No.5846737 Report

Quoted By: >>5846741 >>5846998

Fuck it! I change my vote, to let teukros die, im just not ready to let this tale of big dreams, utter dissapointment and ROCKS die!

Its gonna be in bad taste, and be completly against nikandros empathi, but I Will just miss nikandros more, then i Will miss teukros

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 18:14:45 No.5846741 Report

Quoted By: >>5846760

>>5846737
Unless your ID changed, you haven't voted yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZbEuxOPB Tue 28 Nov 2023 18:24:02 No.5846760 Report

Quoted By: >>5846769 >>5846772 >>5846799

>>5846741
My id changed, such is the life of a phoneposter
>>5845963 is me

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 18:27:40 No.5846769 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846760

Anon, you linked back to another one-post ID.

You'll need to link back to an older post from around the thread start, or otherwise post a new OC meme, six bars of Homeric-ish poetry to register.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Tue 28 Nov 2023 18:28:42 No.5846772 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846760
Do you remember if you have voted before in the quest? Because that vote, and your vote change aren't going to count unless you do.
Or if you make a meme or a poem

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:10Oz0ELi Tue 28 Nov 2023 18:48:03 No.5846794 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846567
>Still a poorfag
>No glory to his name
Nice "honor" you've got there. Nikandros never had the makings of a varsity hero

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZbEuxOPB Tue 28 Nov 2023 18:50:10 No.5846799 Report

Quoted By: >>5846827

>>5846760
Nikandros desire for
fame and repute.

A love of rocks and
tribute to Nike.

Great danger he faced
on his quest for conflict.

His end the gods foretold,
To his goddess dismay

Would Come, by Eagles claw,
Or Spears of Hector.

Could fate intervene,
To save this hellene?

I have never studied homer, and wnflish is not my first language, but I gave it a shot

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Tue 28 Nov 2023 18:53:52 No.5846807 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846540
Idk frankly we talked quite a lot like another anon pointed out. Also we had other plans for make chaos prior to the bastard reveal.
I think that and the Dioscuri announcing what they wanted to do, created the situation proper for get them with us. Creating this wild rush that not even you could predict.

The death of Dius was also another large problem. Big one, if he knew at which hours the royals do their activities and knew a lot of the palace.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 19:06:16 No.5846827 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846799

Good enough, your vote is now validated. Thank you anon!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 19:30:57 No.5846864 Report

Quoted By: >>5846976

>>5846643
Seconding this! The Saga of Nylk, son of Hirstorn shall commence!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 20:48:46 No.5846976 Report

Quoted By:

>>5846864
Maybe the dice will be less utterly cursed.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 21:10:55 No.5846998 Report

Quoted By:

Revised Tally (6 hours remain)

Obviously this is the most important vote in the quest so far, so please let me know if I missed anyone or mischaracterized their vote.

Save Teukros, kill yourself

>>5845919
>>5845923
>>5845927
>>5845954
>>5846179
>>5846216
>>5846290
>>5846372
>>5845993

Save yourself, kill Teukros

>>5845921
>>5845939
>>5845968
>>5846005
>>5846066
>>5846737

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Non-registered voters

>>5845971 (one post ID)
>>5845996 (technically a 3-post ID, but anon has not backlinked their prior votes, provided a meme, poetry etc to register)
>>5846276 (technically a 5-post ID, but anon has not backlinked their prior votes, provided a meme, poetry etc to register)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 21:36:00 No.5847030 Report

Quoted By:

Man, maybe this is what all those charioteer drivers went through each time a thrown spear was redirected into them rather than the hero it was meant for. I guess what makes this comparison even worse is that Nikon lost his chariot.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Tue 28 Nov 2023 22:04:04 No.5847060 Report

Quoted By: >>5847137

>>5845927
Actually fuck it anons comment of greek tragedy got me.

I am switching my vote:

>Look right

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 22:58:30 No.5847137 Report

Quoted By: >>5847163 >>5847170 >>5847175

>>5847060
Bruh we already ARE a greek tragedy. To keep going on after this is literally just for laughs.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:14:09 No.5847163 Report

Quoted By: >>5847185

>>5847137
>To keep going on after this is literally just for laughs.
I don't know about that, anon. I'm voting to see Nikon look right because out of the writing Lesches did for the Nira sidequest, how she coped with the grief of losing someone was one of my favorite parts of that.

I want to know how Lesches will write Nikon coping with the grief of losing what can best be described as one of the only close friends he has ever made around his age and his equal, someone he could have confided in.

Out of all the Greek tragedies, it is the aftermath that follows all the hubris, fury, and madness that I find the most interesting to read.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:18:57 No.5847170 Report

Quoted By: >>5847175 >>5847185

>>5847137
Technically, one could argue that we are a comedy. The definition of a comedy in ancient greece, iirc, would be a story that ends in the world the same way it began; and with our death here, it'd almost be as if Nikandros never existed at all.

Almost. I don't think Teukros normally becomes a king, which is a happy thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:22:36 No.5847175 Report

Quoted By: >>5847176 >>5847189 >>5847190

>>5847137
The Trojan war wasn't some great and grand adventure, and for almost every character it's
>And then they died
I voted to protect Teukros but if he dies then it'll be a good chance to propagate exactly what sort of story this is and establish a major change in Nikandros as a character.

>>5847170
He's the founder of a city on Cyprus after the war.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:23:24 No.5847176 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847175
Oh. Then it really IS a comedy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:27:34 No.5847185 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847163
>>5847170
We already made our mistakes. We made too many of them. We get the ending we deserve. Im not gonna play in a quest where we utterly betray our best friend like that. I come to these things to have fun. This hasnt been fun in a long time. I'd rather seeing Nikon get his just desserts than have this thing shamble on.
>>5846721
>Punished Nikon.
You only get that title if the thing punishing you ISNT yourself.
Right here right now we have the ability to prevent yet ANOTHER tragedy from happening. Id rather take that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:30:21 No.5847189 Report

Quoted By: >>5847194

>>5847175
>The Trojan war wasn't some great and grand adventure, and for almost every character it's
>And then they died
Yeah this isnt IRL. This is a quest. I at least do this to have fun. Not for the drama. I get enough of that in my life as it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:30:23 No.5847190 Report

Quoted By: >>5847194

>>5847175
> a major change in Nikandros as a character.
I don’t suppose this line of thinking could get you to change your vote?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C9IIsXf+ Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:32:28 No.5847193 Report

Quoted By: >>5847199

>Makes a bed of blades and thorns
>Doesn't want to lie in it

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:32:34 No.5847194 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847189
>This is a quest.
Yes, one with multiple players whom all have different goals and ideas. Many of them opposed to your own. No one is keeping you here.

>>5847190
Not at all. I'm happy to keep playing whatever happens but I vote on my own morals and goals, not consensus.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:37:39 No.5847199 Report

Quoted By: >>5847200 >>5847210

>>5847193
>Wanting to punish someone else for our mistakes.
Sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ewgDKe6i Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:38:38 No.5847200 Report

Quoted By: >>5847211

>>5847199
>Doomer AND a moralist
Egads

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:44:13 No.5847209 Report

Quoted By:

Good discussion all.

If I tallied right, the vote is currently 8-7, with Nikandros’ death in the lead.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C9IIsXf+ Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:47:03 No.5847210 Report

Quoted By: >>5847213

>>5847199
You misunderstood anon. I'm mocking those who wants to kill our friend for our own hubris and foolishness.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:47:57 No.5847211 Report

Quoted By: >>5847284

>>5847200
Id ask why having morality is a bad thing but i dont think i need to. Lesches can just start another quest that isnt anywhere near as cursed as this one is.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Tue 28 Nov 2023 23:48:58 No.5847213 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847210
Ah my appologies. Dont mean to sound rude.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Wed 29 Nov 2023 00:32:47 No.5847257 Report

Quoted By:

>>5845915
>Look right – Teukros dies, and Nikandros goes on to fight in a darker world.

I am changing my vote I cant let Nik die this easy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Wed 29 Nov 2023 00:54:30 No.5847281 Report

Quoted By: >>5847285

Welp that tears it then. You pack of monsters have fun with this. Im done.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Wed 29 Nov 2023 00:59:52 No.5847284 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847211
>Lesches can just start another quest that isnt anywhere near as cursed as this one is

he still gotta finish Deianira off too.
i think i remember she can call upon shades too so she can get the tale directly from Nikon, won't that be fun for her vengeful trait?

Teukros quest in the Troyans prisons soon?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C9IIsXf+ Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:00:50 No.5847285 Report

Quoted By: >>5847293

>>5847281
Same. Enjoy breaking Nira's heart before you guys die in the next thread anyway.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:01:54 No.5847287 Report

Quoted By: >>5847288

>>5845915
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.

I can't let our boy Teukros die like this. I gotta get it to a 50/50, give him a chance.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:03:13 No.5847288 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847287
... shit, forgot to finish the spear on the right in my haste

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:d8OpaSh6 Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:03:14 No.5847289 Report

Quoted By:

>Anons are actually voting for Nikandros to kill his best friend in cold blood for a brief reprieve instead of guaranteeing a happy ending for everyone he cares about
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:04:15 No.5847293 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847285
Anons that are voting to continue seen to actively want a bad ending, so I think they will indeed enjoy it.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:29:22 No.5847326 Report

Quoted By: >>5847332 >>5847361

With 90 minutes to go, and the lives of Nikandros and Teukros in the balance, the vote appears to be tied 8-8.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:A8v5Ls9U Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:34:12 No.5847332 Report

Quoted By: >>5847335 >>5847339

>>5847326
Is it time to CAST THE DIE?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:36:10 No.5847335 Report

Quoted By: >>5847338 >>5847339

>>5847332
Be an utterly fitting way considering how the dice have led us here.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:39:52 No.5847338 Report

Quoted By: >>5847339

>>5847335
Lesches always rolls well so whichever it lands on is clearly the better option.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:42:15 No.5847339 Report

Quoted By: >>5847342 >>5847346

>>5847332
>>5847335
>>5847338

My strong preference is for an anon to step forwards and break the tie, obviously. The future of the quest should be decided by its players.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HZmAYTu6 Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:43:32 No.5847341 Report

Quoted By:

Quite frankly, Even If Nikandros lives through the first of Hector’s strikes the likelihood of him surviving the rest is in unlikely, and if he somehow makes it he’ll likely just be executed by the Trojans. Or you know, murdered by Ajax. Because that’s very likely considering Nikon dragged Teukros into this scheme,

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:46:15 No.5847342 Report

Quoted By: >>5847344

>>5847339
QM's are players too. You're just as involved in this game as we are even if it's not exactly the same. You decide what the rolls mean, you decide how our decisions play out. Don't be getting cold feet on us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HZmAYTu6 Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:48:02 No.5847344 Report

Quoted By: >>5847359

>>5847342
Rolling will just leave the other half extremely dissatisfied you realize? There’s nothing more shitty than being forced down a path because of random chance, especially on a vote this important.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:d8OpaSh6 Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:48:28 No.5847346 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847339
I'd vote, but I'm here from /qtg/ and I cba to jump through the hoops required for 1pID verification

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HZmAYTu6 Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:50:23 No.5847347 Report

Quoted By:

Tbh, If Nikon dies here and we start over I’d be super interested in seeing a quest from the perspective of the Trojan side. Make it a true Trojan quest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:55:43 No.5847359 Report

Quoted By: >>5847375

>>5847344
>There’s nothing more shitty than being forced down a path because of random chance
That's how this entire quest has played out. We make a decision, fail the roll, and try to scrape by as best we can. Over and over, every thread. Either the thread ends or Nikon gets to develop as a character in unexpected ways, continue to scrape by and maybe have something to show for it by the end.
>Rolling will just leave the other half extremely dissatisfied you realize?
Yes, I do. I can't say I really care. No one's obligated to continue participating if their choice doesn't win regardless if it's from consensus or random chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C9IIsXf+ Wed 29 Nov 2023 01:58:01 No.5847361 Report

Quoted By: >>5847368

>>5847326
Fine I'll write the lamest Homeric poem ever written. Don't blame me if you died of cringe midway.

Sing, o Furies, of the rash son of Hippomedion
Who challenged the mighty Prince of Troy
And met doom for his arrogant hubris

Young and brave he was, yet also foolish and proud
He thought he could kidnap a Prince of Troy
And match the might of another Prince

He boasted of his might and skill
He armed himself under a cloak of darkness
He tried to take Prince Paris by surprise

Hector heard his voice and turned to face him
He saw his youthful face and his haughty eyes
He pitied him, but also felt his anger rise.

He let his wrath take control, and threw his spear with all his strength
It flew like Zeus' lightning bolt, and pierced the chest of Nikandros
Nikandros fell to ground, with naught a sound

He lay on the ground, his life fading away
He felt the pain of the spear in his heart
He saw the face of Hector, his enemy and slayer

He remembers, his sister, her love
He remembered her smile, her voice, her grace
He remembered his promise, her vow

And so he closed his eyes and muttered with his last breath
"Do not grieve for I have fulfilled my promise"
And with those words he passed from this world into Elysium

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 02:02:35 No.5847368 Report

Quoted By: >>5847378

>>5847361

Anon, this is great stuff. My thanks for your contribution.

Based on your post history, I presume you want Nikon to die, yes? Please throw me some green text to confirm

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HZmAYTu6 Wed 29 Nov 2023 02:09:11 No.5847375 Report

Quoted By: >>5847387

>>5847359
By your logic then there’s no point in voting and we should just let Lesches roll every vote instead of voting ourselves. Self-determination is an important part of questing. Besides, this vote is also different in how the outcome is CERTAIN. It is ordained by fate, the gods themselves. There isn’t any rolling to be done.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C9IIsXf+ Wed 29 Nov 2023 02:10:26 No.5847378 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847368
Yes
>Look left – Save Teukros, sacrifice yourself. Deianira lives well - if you can believe the promises of the gods.
If we can make Nira happy, I will consider it a successful quest no matter what. On the other hand if we break our sacred vow then I don't think I can continue reading (well mostly lurking).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 02:21:22 No.5847387 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847375
>By your logic then there’s no point in voting and we should just let Lesches roll every vote instead of voting ourselves.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion but thematically I wouldn't argue against it.
>Self-determination is an important part of questing.
Self-determination for the player or the character? What you want to do and achieve won't be the same as what other do or will, and even Nikon as a character. You're not Nikon, even collectively calling ourselves Nikon is tenuous. He's a character, we're many conflicting players controlling his actions.
>Besides, this vote is also different in how the outcome is CERTAIN. It is ordained by fate, the gods themselves. There isn’t any rolling to be done.
Even more appropriate that it's the QM who decides even if it's by a flip of a coin. We decide the direction, he determines the destination. If half the players want it to end and half want to keep going then he gets to chose. Not you, not me.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 02:29:29 No.5847401 Report

Quoted By: >>5847442

With 30 minutes remaining, the vote is 9-8, in favor of the death of Nikandros.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:04:31 No.5847442 Report

Quoted By: >>5847445 >>5847448 >>5847456

>>5847401
Idk can we please not count the people that picking something just cause they're butt hurt and want the quest to end?

And also samefagging I massive ATM.

Like look at the previous vote and look at all the 1 post id's dropping a meme or stanzas.

People act like there was no tragedy in the illiad or odessy. Like Achilles died. Hector died and got dragged behind a chariot. ODESSYUS loses every single one of his soldiers.

Like come on what's the Troon basedboy crying shit like an anime character. Let him die. And let us get some fucking revenge and honor his memory.

Fucking disappointed. What happened to the rock Chad's? Bunch of whiney river cunts.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:08:20 No.5847445 Report

Quoted By: >>5847449

>>5847442
S o y b oy. Why does it auto change stuff after you post baka

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:10:47 No.5847448 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847442
>says the one crying like a river

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Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:11:06 No.5847449 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847445

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:17:13 No.5847456 Report

Quoted By: >>5847461

>>5847442
I feel bad for you, so I'll spoonfeed you.
4chan has filters.
S o y has been filtering into onions for years now.
Also namefagging is looked down upon.

I recommend lurking more.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:18:19 No.5847458 Report

Quoted By:

The goddess wearing Crino’s appearance is patient, as you sift through your memories.

Your childhood – in the rolling hills of Thessaly. The morning calls of goats as dawn rises. The scent of fresh earth; rocky slopes exposed to the frigid air of midwinter. Your mother calling you home as dusk spills down the sides of Mount Olympus. Drinking water from the burbling streams as an innocent child of unusual height - before you had sworn your vendetta.

Your beautiful sister – golden-haired, kind. Quick with a joke. You hear her playful voice in your ears - "”Ni-kon~”. You will never see her again. Your heart breaks into pieces – your shattered oaths piercing your flesh. It is agony. You have failed. You pray that she finds a husband with you - you hope she will. You know that she is stronger than she thinks.

Teukros – a friend to you. You had found common cause with him; a man like yourself in many ways. You curse your fortunes - there was so much to be done with him. So many glories to win... So many victories that you will not see. You stiffen your resolve.

It was your error to wake the Dioscuri – you misjudged their desperate need for Helen.

It was your error to persuade Pollux to enter the Royal Palace, Paris in tow. What madness had come over you? You conceived this plan without your panoplia, without your father’s spear. You were armed with nothing but lust for glory.

You hesitated at the bridge, with Dius – with him alive, much would have changed.

And when confronted with Hector, with Paris at knife-point – you foolishly suggested that Pollux attempt to deceive the man. The face of blameless Teukros, laughing, fills your mind. You cannot make this man suffer for your mistakes. You and you alone led them down this path.

The truth is simple - you have earned this death.

In the end – the choice is easy. You shift your eyes to your left, as dark-tressed Crino watches. Her perfected nose wrinkles – bewilderment.

Her voice is a golden chime:

“Your choice is noted, Nikandros, and pleases the gods. You will go down into the halls of the Lord of Many.”. She walks to the slowly-moving spear of Hector, and with a single finger and gentle pressure, she adjusts its flight. Now, the polished tip of the spear faces you head-on.

She turns gracefully, and glides about Hector – still frozen in mid-cast – and makes her way to the other end of the hall, passing alongside the Olympians scribed on the walls. She opens the door to Paris’ apartment, and walks inside. You watch your death approach; the polished spearpoint wafting through the air. It’s interesting – after so many eons here, in this hall, it now feels that your time has been so short.

The spear begins moving more quickly now, rotating about its axis with increasing speed. You wonder how long it will take befo -

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:19:20 No.5847460 Report

Quoted By: >>5847468 >>5847470 >>5847472 >>5847473 >>5847474 >>5847479 >>5847544 >>5847550 >>5847698

Sing, goddess, of a man soon forgotten by kings and gods; who once journeyed far from home alongside famed companions to entreat Ilion’s sacred citadel. Sing of his untimely death, of his unmet aspirations – of his hidden sacrifice. Sing of the wrath of Menelaus, of the folly of Paris, of Zeus’s plan which even now comes to fulfillment…

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:20:09 No.5847461 Report

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>>5847456
Sorry, while s o y filters into onions, s o y b o y filters into basedboy
And here's another freebie: t b h filters into desu

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Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:24:53 No.5847468 Report

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>>5847460
Very good, Lesches. You did an excellent job of picking up where Homer left off. I hope to see more of your writing in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:25:31 No.5847470 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847460
>Her perfected nose wrinkles – bewilderment.
A great victory, confounding a god.

This was a fun quest to participate in. I wish you the best, QM.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:28:27 No.5847472 Report

Quoted By: >>5847496

>>5847460
Do we get an epilogue on Teukros and Nira's good ends?
Anyway, this quest was a wild ride. Thanks for all the good work Lesches!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:28:40 No.5847473 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847460
Thanks for running.

Where are the one post samefaggots' congratulations?
Isn't this what you wanted?
Are you not entertained?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:29:35 No.5847474 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847460
Did we get to piss in the river Styx when we went to the underworld?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:31:52 No.5847479 Report

Quoted By: >>5847488 >>5847496 >>5847505

>>5847460
Huh. Color me impressed. Thanks a bunch. Are you planning on running anything else in the near future Lesches?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:37:16 No.5847488 Report

Quoted By: >>5847535

>>5846552
>>5847479
Spill it, what did you think he was going to do?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:atzj+ecm Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:41:21 No.5847496 Report

Quoted By: >>5847499 >>5847505 >>5847507 >>5847535 >>5847651 >>5847698 >>5847786 >>5847818

Thanks for the kind words all.

It has been surprisingly emotional for me to say goodbye to this world. In the end, I feel a bit like Nikon myself - a tourist in the world of the Late Bronze Age, and one who must depart too soon… It was a pleasure to have you all along with me, while we traveled with Nikon.

>>5847472

This will be hard, but I think the answer is: no. It doesn’t seem right to spell out their endings - not when Nikandros may not ever know them. Better that he died hoping for the best, I think.

>>5847479

No, I don’t think I’ll be a QM again anytime soon. But I’m quite happy with the outcome - Nikandros finds his end, as unsatisfying as it is, and in the process, /qst/ got a little stronger. I hope I have inspired other anons to become QMs themselves - it’s what Homer did to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:43:11 No.5847499 Report

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>>5847496
>it’s what Homer did to me.
Surprising considering he flaked out like a bitch right after ribbing other QM's who did the exact same thing. If you do QM again, please don't act like him. You did wonderfully this go around and I'd hate to see it spoilted.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:47:21 No.5847505 Report

Quoted By: >>5847535

>>5847479
Yeah, Spill it!

>>5847496
I'm actually prepping to run a quest, right this moment.
Thank you so much for running! Even if I only ever got to vote on the last vote, it was a fun read.

And I have to ask again, considering it may never be answered; Did Nikandros deface (throw rocks into, piss in, insult, etc) the River Styx when we hit the underworld?

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Wed 29 Nov 2023 03:48:35 No.5847507 Report

Quoted By: >>5847535

>>5847496
Epic run bud. Thanks for one of the best Quests. Good luck in real life my dude. Hope you have a good holiday season.

Kek, kids threw a tantrum and now nobody gets to play. Played yourselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Wed 29 Nov 2023 04:08:46 No.5847535 Report

Quoted By: >>5847741 >>5847974

>>5847488
>>5847505
Right now that im back in my apartment i can say it.
Little bit of back story. I have had several GMs/DMs in the past turn spiteful as all fuck once the game began collapsing. Bad experiences all around.
I will admit a couple of Lesches's posts started raising major red flags for me. I though i was about to get spited again at the end. This quest has gone badly and we already lost one QM cuz of it.
However as i had no proof i wasnt going to go around accusing the man of doing that. Thats why i didnt say anything. I dodnt want to cause trouble.
>>5847496
I truly do thank you from the bottom of my worthless heart for running this for us. I am sorry things turned out this way but as a QM you were wonderful. If you do ever run anything else in future i will happily play.
>>5847507
>Kek, kids threw a tantrum and now nobody gets to play. Played yourselves.
This quest was cursed from the start. All of the die rolls apart from ROCKS! have been meh to horrific. The Hector scene just utterly solidifies that. There will be other quests friend. That Lady Knight one is actually shaping up to be neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C9IIsXf+ Wed 29 Nov 2023 04:17:46 No.5847544 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847460
Thank you Lesches.
While this is not the end we wanted, this is the end we deserve and some of us can see that any other choice would simply prolong the agony. It saddens me that we won't see or be Nira again though. I hope you get back to writing soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:32bN/8aq Wed 29 Nov 2023 04:21:03 No.5847550 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847460
It was a great run thanks for bringing it back from abandonment.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZZdEUOix Wed 29 Nov 2023 05:35:49 No.5847625 Report

Quoted By:

Wow. I was planning to catch up on this one but uh... yeah. Will read through everything at some point anyway, seems like a good story if anything. Cheers Lesches, thanks for seeing this through to the end.

I wonder if any anon is brave enough to hijack the character system and do an Odyssey quest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lE7LdxlT Wed 29 Nov 2023 05:50:28 No.5847635 Report

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Yeah, still a good story. But the entire quest being a tragedy is only fitting of a Greek tale as the original inspirations are wont to be. I have no hard feelings myself over it.

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Anonymous ID:I4fsiMqk Wed 29 Nov 2023 06:16:37 No.5847651 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847496
RIP

Thanks for running, King.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Wed 29 Nov 2023 07:35:43 No.5847698 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847460
Thanks for running Lesches. You were more than a worthy Qm after Homer, and you very much filled his shoes and more.
It was a good experience from start to end.

>>5847496
That's understandable.
Heh maybe who knows, it does require a bare minimum organization i believe for start one, and an idea that isn't too volatile. But if there is time perhaps, there is no doubt an anon or two out there, that have took note of the system and what you did.
Eitherway if you ever feel like returning, i think many will be there. The experience given was high level and you are a good person, making this far more enjoyable. Until then, thanks again and goodbye Lesches.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MEttGl5I Wed 29 Nov 2023 09:46:08 No.5847741 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847535
> I have had several GMs/DMs in the past turn spiteful as all fuck once the game began collapsing. Bad experiences all around.
Yup, same for me. Here at least, we have closure. For someone doing this for free, Lesches has been professional. Thanks QM!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8BmmA1ZL Wed 29 Nov 2023 11:34:14 No.5847786 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847496
Massive respect. I'm neither a player or a lurker but punishing players for their own stupidity to the point of killing the MC takes guts. I hope the experience does not burn you out however and I will be extremely happy to play any future quest you run. Vale

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:EauEf0uB Wed 29 Nov 2023 12:40:10 No.5847818 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847496

As a lurker from when Homer ran the quest, thank you for picking up where he left off and for following through on the lethality of it all. As cursed as the dice may have been, I think it was a testament to the quality of your QMing that players got as invested in Nikandros' tale as they did. I wish you the best wherever your creative pursuits take you.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Wed 29 Nov 2023 15:22:17 No.5847974 Report

Quoted By:

>>5847535
Hmmm I'll have to check it out thanks anon. Fellow rock chad.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 15:47:37 No.5847997 Report

Quoted By: >>5848002 >>5848006 >>5848008

We can do a little Q&A/post-mortem if anyone has lingering questions or wants some additional context.

I reserve the right to not answer some questions though - I’m still processing the fact that you guys managed to find the worst possible path after learning Paris’ location at Antenor’s feast.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:1Hy14VBx Wed 29 Nov 2023 15:50:26 No.5848001 Report

Quoted By: >>5848006 >>5848007 >>5848008

Idk why anyones just didnt go to paris and tell him about the council meeting and provoke him into fucking it all. Really sad to see the quest end so prematurely

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 15:50:27 No.5848002 Report

Quoted By: >>5848007

>>5847997
Who was the goddess that gave our final option?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 15:56:31 No.5848006 Report

Quoted By: >>5848007 >>5848023

>>5847997
Who was deity you think was grandad?
>>5848001
Because we invited the dioscuri

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 15:58:16 No.5848007 Report

Quoted By:

>>5848002

Athena carrying out the will of Zeus. She couldn't understand why Nikandros would choose to die, obviously.

>>5848001

This is obviously what I thought players would do. All Nikandros and Teukros had to do was tell Paris that the council was happening, and Paris would have joined them willingly on a speed-run back to Royal District of Ilion.

Bringing the Dioscuri into the mix meant that instead, the Dioscuri would insist on kidnapping. Then Nikandros made things infinitely worse by convincing Pollux to infiltrate the Royal Palace, instead of bringing Paris back to the galleys. Basically, the players managed to find the least optimal path for this.

>>5848006

No comment. Some mysteries should stay hidden.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:01:18 No.5848008 Report

Quoted By: >>5848013

>>5847997
>worst possible path
true we could have just coasted until the gods intervened to disrupt the talks themselves but that's kind of like metagaming.
also it was doing kind of ok until fucking Hector appeared!

>>5848001
Paris would have talked circles around us all worse than Odysseus
he might have made us switch sides too.
the smartest thing would have been to go with Teukros alone meet Dius and tell him to tell Paris that the greeks were here for Helen at any cost and Priam sent away Paris for that purpose.

but again, hindsight..

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:06:27 No.5848013 Report

Quoted By: >>5848032

>>5848008
>but again, hindsight..
I honestly expected Paris to be under proverbial lock and key with another Trojan hero, not just with a bunch of laymen. And with how poorly our rolls always go it's not out of the realms of possibility for a major fuck up to happen just on sheer bad luck. I'm if we hadn't brought Pollux our encounter with the naiad would have gotten us or Teukros killed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:13:13 No.5848023 Report

Quoted By: >>5848024 >>5848047 >>5848328

>>5848006
>we
We is a lot of people.

K3QIsEOK
UHeJxm3h
lRCXlGFU
OyN9x3E8
afoGvVo8
JnOWCNZ8
aXQipwjy

You faggots decided to go invite the Dioscuri, then the stupid plan of kidnapping Paris, and finally, because you're such petty disgusting cowards and hypocrites, nuked the quest instead of letting others continue because your a bunch of whiny crybabies who couldn't handle the consequences of your piss-poor decision making.

Fuck off and stay out of other quests, niggers.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:14:03 No.5848024 Report

Quoted By: >>5848028

>>5848023
lmao someone's mad

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:17:03 No.5848028 Report

Quoted By: >>5848034

>>5848024
Yeah, it should be pretty obvious. Are you retarded or something? That's a rhetorical question, because it's obvious you are.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:17:28 No.5848032 Report

Quoted By: >>5848034

>>5848013

> Paris to be under proverbial lock and key with another Trojan hero, not just with a bunch of laymen.

He was there with other bastards of Priam, actually, that’s what Dius was there in the first place. Nik never got a chance to learn this since the actual abduction went pretty well.

Also, the naiad would not have killed Nikon, lol. Nikon is substantially stronger than she is and could have easily wrestled her into submission even if she was dumb enough to attack him. She was just there to delay Nikon’s party on Scamandros’ orders

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:19:00 No.5848034 Report

Quoted By: >>5848035 >>5848048

>>5848028
It's a game. You cry this bad every time someone kills you in fortnight too?
>>5848032
>the naiad would not have killed Nikon
I never said the naiad would have killed us, just that the encounter would have gotten us killed.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:20:35 No.5848035 Report

Quoted By: >>5848036

>>5848034
>fortnight
Fuck off Zoomer. Yeah, you played badly, so instead of ruining it for everyone else, again, fuck off instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:22:11 No.5848036 Report

Quoted By: >>5848045

>>5848035
>ruining it
I voted to face the consequences of our actions. You're free to start a new TWQ and fix it if you'd like. I'll even stay out of it just for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:26:53 No.5848045 Report

Quoted By: >>5848051 >>5848056

>>5848036
No, you avoided to take responsibility by running away. Why should I believe a coward like you? Do you take me for one of your own; an idiot?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:28:12 No.5848047 Report

Quoted By: >>5848050

>>5848023
Says contrarian anon that voted to kill Paris

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:28:33 No.5848048 Report

Quoted By: >>5848051 >>5848054

>>5848034

>I never said the naiad would have killed us, just that the encounter would have gotten us killed.

Also wrong, the auto-fail from Disfavored of the Rivers was meant to be an annoyance and to delay things, but never life-threatening.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:30:45 No.5848050 Report

Quoted By: >>5848054

>>5848047
My vote was to tell Hector the truth.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:32:18 No.5848051 Report

Quoted By: >>5848069 >>5848072

>>5848045
>running away
From what? In what possible way have I avoided responsibility? The option I took was the a punishment in finality, the end of the quest. I'm more than happy to admit the votes I chose were bad.

>>5848048
Yeah you say that but from personal experience with this quest's rolls we'd have fallen in the river and drowned on a critfail trying to get out.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:36:34 No.5848054 Report

Quoted By: >>5848072 >>5848082

>>5848048
Lesches, why don't you continue the quest for them, so they stop throwing a tantrum? This quest's death is not being dignified
I voted for left because the gods said that Teukros and Nira would get a happy ending but without an epilogue, that doesn't matter much.

>>5848050
Forgetting already?
>>5840743
>Kill Paris.
>>5840775
>Contrarian-anon throwing away his vote again (which is his choice)

But I'm not trying to blame you, not voting, or voting for your own things, evne if they don't make sense, is your right.
Voting for Dioscuri was a mistake I regretted, one that I have stated multiple times after it happened, even after Lesches tried to say that it wasn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:38:59 No.5848056 Report

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>>5848045
Actually, why are you even mad? Over half of the players decided to say fuck it and end the quest. You're not the only player here man.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:41:26 No.5848060 Report

Quoted By: >>5848082

And if they are worrying I would play the quest and haunt out of spite, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be interested in playing as a Nikon that would sacrifice his friend and sister's happiness, and I got the closure I was looking for, so for e, the quest has reached it's end. If it continues or not. I'm at peace now either way.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i07YbHpJ Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:46:25 No.5848069 Report

Quoted By: >>5848086

>>5848051
NTA and not even a reader of that quest but I've been observing this shitshow for a bit. Way I see it dealing with the consequences would've been to continue the quest but with Teukros dead thanks to your stupid decisions. Instead you pretty much just flipped the table and set it on fire by just ending the quest then and there. That's like losing a unique item in an RPG and just shunting the entire run 50 hours in. Lesches didn't seem like he wanted to end it just yet either, specially since he literally spent money on an ad for this. Just sad all around

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:47:41 No.5848072 Report

Quoted By: >>5848086 >>5848090

>>5848051
>your sister will flourish despite your death.
What does that mean, exactly? You don't know, because instead of seeing it through to the end, you gave up, died, and had someone else take care of it. Like a deadbeat father or a nigger.

Yes, the killed the player character and ended the quest for everyone else. Congratulations.

>>5848054
Perhaps you should bother to read the quest fully, instead of speculating based on past and incomplete knowledge >>5845288

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:51:30 No.5848082 Report

Quoted By: >>5848118

>>5848054
>>5848060

Sorry, but Nikon’s death is final, anon.

There were many players and lurkers who could have stepped in to save Nikon during the voting period, but it didn’t happen. Trojan War Quest is over.

If you guys had managed to keep Apollo’s banked re-roll from Delos (instead of burning it during the Lebinthian eagles fight), I would have given Nikandros the option to use it in the Hector encounter and things might have gone differently.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:52:24 No.5848086 Report

Quoted By: >>5848100 >>5848215

>>5848072
>for everyone else
Yeah, the minority. Why would I care about minorities? We did see it through to the end. As stated by both QM's previously, the quest only ends if Nikon found glory or death. And we found death. I know it's a hard pill to swallow but at least accept it with some grace instead of a tantrum.
>>5848069
No one forced Lesches to give us this choice. The Javelin was thrown at Pollux, not us, not Teukros. Why offer an option if you don't want to write it?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:54:12 No.5848090 Report

Quoted By: >>5848113 >>5848215

>>5848072
My friend, that was not the same vote we are talking about, you are talking about what to once we met Hector, which you voted to twice to attack before voting to tell the truth, while I'm linking to the other one, on the deciding on the raid of the palace.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:i07YbHpJ Wed 29 Nov 2023 16:59:50 No.5848100 Report

Quoted By: >>5848117

>>5848086
I suppose because it was a thematic choice or something. It's a mistake a lot of QMs do, especially when they just flat out don't expect players to choose it. CHAOS had a "surrender" option during a specific fight and QM literally told us low-key to not choose it as it was a dud. Maybe he was worried we'd actually consider it kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 17:05:46 No.5848113 Report

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>>5848090
I would like to once again reiterate that I'm not trying to argue that you were stupid or something similar, perhaps the framing of "says the anon that did x" was the incorrect way of approaching this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 17:10:33 No.5848117 Report

Quoted By:

>>5848100
It was very thematic and I'm glad Lesches included it. And yeah, sometimes QM's forget their players are still anons on 4ch.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:K3QIsEOK Wed 29 Nov 2023 17:12:58 No.5848118 Report

Quoted By:

>>5848082
Well, that's a shame, I got closure, but brought pain to others, who have entered their aristea.Or perhaps it is better to claim it sorrow instead of rage, even if the two emotions are still deeply connected. I guess in a way, I voted to look right even tough I voted to look left.
I suppose that the death of a quest is a painful thing, specially since this quest has technically died twice now, and this last vote was so split.
Perhaps the wise move is to simply do as afoGvVo8 did and and distance myself from the thread, lingering will just feed the hatred left behind in our hearts.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 18:30:18 No.5848215 Report

Quoted By: >>5848221 >>5848225

>>5848086
>minority
5 one post IDs voting to overturn the decision hardly qualifies as "the will of the majority". I was quite content to stay somewhat quiet regarding my displeasure regarding the vote, but I will not suffer these fools gloating and parading on as though this was the only choice. They had their chance to change course, yet they choose to continue onward to ruin. Instead of "gracefully" bowing out and allowing others to steer the rudder, they opted to crash the ship with no survivors. I say it once more, with gusto, to go fuck yourself.

>>5848090
Ah, so it seems. This was immediately after inviting the Dioscuri. Killing Paris when he was at Mount Ida as opposed to raiding the Palace was still the better course, all things considered.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 18:36:33 No.5848221 Report

Quoted By: >>5848236

>>5848215
>5 one post IDs voting to overturn the decision hardly qualifies as "the will of the majority".
Lesches is the one who accepted them, if you've got a problem with it bring it up with him.
>I say it once more, with gusto, to go fuck yourself.
This is the only substance to you're complaint. Salty that your choice didn't win. Again, I implore you to start your own TWQ. You wont but I'd be happy for you to prove me wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 18:40:17 No.5848225 Report

Quoted By: >>5848236

>>5848215
Also, I wasn't going to say anythign about this but I'm thinking otherwise now.
>I was quite content to stay somewhat quiet regarding my displeasure regarding the vote,
You're the one who tried to name and shame ID's who didn't vote with you. No one else did, not even other people who voted with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 18:51:06 No.5848236 Report

Quoted By: >>5848238

>>5848221
>>5848225
Perhaps reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I'm not blaming Lesches for anything. I'm blaming the disgusting samefaggot hypocrites who would rig a vote because they felt it was the "morally" correct conclusion.

And? Would you rather have people forget who exactly caused these turn of events and blame it on happenstance? Pathetic and cowardly. Be proud of your decisions and stick by them. The slings and arrows of the "minority" should fall from you as water on a rose.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 18:52:52 No.5848238 Report

Quoted By: >>5848273

>>5848236
>I'm blaming the disgusting samefaggot hypocrites who would rig a vote because they felt it was the "morally" correct conclusion.
Absolutely, and Lesches should have cast out those votes. He didn't.
>Pathetic and cowardly. Be proud of your decisions and stick by them.
I'm proud of my decision to vote for the quest to end in a thematically appropriate way and am sticking by it being the right choice even if it wasn't the fun choice.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 19:16:43 No.5848273 Report

Quoted By: >>5848277 >>5848288 >>5848314 >>5848336 >>5848386 >>5848540

>>5848238

Your viewpoint is valid, of course, but now that the quest is over, I can be more transparent.

The point of the “save Teukros” vote was to demonstrate that modern Judeo-Christian morality is a liability and weakness in the Late Bronze Age. Nik had previously demonstrated very poor judgment, thus forcing the vote. Basically, Nik could have been one of the only men with empathy during the Trojan war if he was smart enough to do so. or to say this another way, in the late bronze edge, If you want to live, you can be dumb and cruel, you can be cruel and smart, you can be nice and smart, but you cannot be dumb and nice.

Unfortunately, /qst/ chose to be both dumb and nice, therefore Nik chose to die.

You notice that both myself and Homer took pretty significant pains to demonstrate that none of the named characters of TWQ are “good people” by modern standards.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 19:18:49 No.5848277 Report

Quoted By:

>>5848273
>The point of the “save Teukros” vote was to demonstrate that modern Judeo-Christian morality is a liability and weakness in the Late Bronze Age
Absolutely, I wholly agree. That's why I enjoyed it so much, it made the game that much more difficult. We could have gone full LBA psycho and probably been better off for it.

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Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 19:26:21 No.5848288 Report

Quoted By: >>5848306

>>5848273
>Judeo-Christian
Please don't conflate the two.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 19:47:06 No.5848306 Report

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>>5848288
Now you've got me thinking on how a happy merchant build would have faired. Like Odysseus I'd imagine but less openly narcissistic and more exploitative of everyone around him.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Wed 29 Nov 2023 19:51:59 No.5848314 Report

Quoted By: >>5848373

>>5848273
Oh, I forgot to ask but who was that goddess we found? Was it the PIE progenitor of Eos or Usas of the Rigveda?

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Wed 29 Nov 2023 20:06:00 No.5848328 Report

Quoted By: >>5848373 >>5848476

>>5848023
100%
I mean i voted for the dioscuri. But I understood the risks. I didn't think Hector would attack is when we have him as a hostage. I thought he was going to call guards and we were going to get escorted the fuck out. Maybe lashed at worse and then kicked out/confined to our ship. T should of died for our hubris. And it should of tainted the rest of the game. As our greatest mistake. We should of had it haunt us. It would of been great for character development. And we probably would of been more cautious.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Wed 29 Nov 2023 20:12:12 No.5848336 Report

Quoted By: >>5848337 >>5848373

>>5848273
But I do believe the last 5 1 post id's at the end. After Hector first disastrous roll. Was definitely same fagging. And I also think you would of just started another one cause of the sister quest.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Wed 29 Nov 2023 20:13:12 No.5848337 Report

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>>5848336
They thought you would*

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 20:56:47 No.5848373 Report

Quoted By: >>5848376 >>5848378 >>5848446 >>5848455

>>5848314

>PIE progenitor of Eos

Very close, yes - more like a fragment of the shattered PIE goddess of the dawn.

>>5848328

>didn't think Hector would attack after Pollux's social roll.

Degrees of success mattered for the roll. At ~3 degrees of failure, Hector immediately pegs you guys as hostiles and yeets a spear at either Pollux or Teukros (because they are flanking Paris). Even a typical nobleman wouldn't have risked such a pinpoint shot, but Hector is the ultraCHAD of Troy, and in TWQ, he ALSO received training with Chiron, just like Achilles and Ajax. So once Hector flags you guys as hostiles, it's trivial for him to put down one of Paris' abductors with a cast.

At two degrees of failure, Hector yells for guards, and charges into melee. You guys would have had a free round of missile attacks on him, and it's possible that you could have wounded him somewhat in the process. However, Teukros would have flashed his knife to Paris' throat, causing everyone to freeze. Then Helen would emerge from her apartments to defuse the situation, and everyone survives.

At one degree of failure, Hector yells for guards, and otherwise threatens to delete you guys if Paris is not released immediately. Helen emerges from her apartment to defuse.

At one degree of success, Hector is mega-suspicious and insists on chaperoning the visit to Paris' apartment. This would have caused all kinds of problems but ultimately would resolve in a "victory" for Nik.

At two degress of success, Nikandros and co would have been flagged as idiots like Paris, and Hector would basically flee to Priam immediately to let him know that Paris was back. You guys meet with Helen as planned, etc etc, but Priam and guards interrupt the meeting.

At three degrees of success, Hector is a total dummy and doesn't peg the situation as dangerous at all, leaving the door open for Nik and Pollux to "reveal" Paris at the council meeting in very dramatic fashion for a big Kleos boost.

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>>5848336

>5 1-post IDs were samefagging

Even so, only some of those IDs actually bothered to register and their votes were counted. Exactly zero lurkers came out of the woodwork to counter them with their own memes over 4 hours. So I took it to mean that the players and lurkers as a whole tacitly approved of Nikandros' death, or didn't care enough to counter-samefag.

>>5848336

> And I also think you would of just started another one cause of the sister quest.

Unfortunately, most of the players did not take the stakes seriously enough. Oh well.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Wed 29 Nov 2023 21:03:06 No.5848376 Report

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>>5848373
>Unfortunately, most of the players did not take the stakes seriously enough. Oh well.
I did. Like i said earlier, if you dont want to run something else thats fine. If you do run something again at some point ib future ill play it. You are GOOD QM PEOPLE. I love that.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Wed 29 Nov 2023 21:04:14 No.5848378 Report

Quoted By: >>5848446 >>5848448 >>5848503

>>5848373

Oh, and to be super-clear, if players had voted to kill Teukros, then Helen would have popped out to defuse the situation.

Unfortunately, only one poster seemed to consider that Helen (daughter of Zeus) was literally only steps away, that Zeus was specifically saving Pollux (son of Zeus), and that Hector was in full aristeia mode only several feet away.

Zeus wouldn't save Pollux's life in time-stop mode only to let him get insta-gibbed two seconds later, so the clever deduction would have been that Zeus will make Helen pop out of her apartment to stop the fighting before Pollux dies (and therefore Nikandros would live, albeit with massive penalties to Kleos and probably other bad things).

So I think a lot of posters voted to save Teukros without really thinking about Zeus' motivation to save Pollux or what would happen after Teukros dies (despite my best efforts to get posters to think about it).

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DEjvFg1L Wed 29 Nov 2023 21:19:57 No.5848386 Report

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>>5848273
Supremely based

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 22:39:08 No.5848446 Report

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>>5848373
>>5848378
Fantastic logic and reasoning. You stuck by your principles and I can respect that.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Wed 29 Nov 2023 22:43:27 No.5848448 Report

Quoted By: >>5848629

>>5848378
I voted to Save Teukros because he doesnt deserve to die for our stupidity. I know thats "modern" thinking for "modern" people so i guess at the end of it all im just not cut out for LBA types of thinking. Or im just not cruel enough to do that. I know you REALLY REALLY wanted to continue this quest man, but at this point quite literally EVERYTHING that had been attempted that was even remotely fun has been turned into a train wreck by the fucking dice.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Wed 29 Nov 2023 22:48:25 No.5848455 Report

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>>5848373
You run another quest, I'll jump at the chance to get in early.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Wed 29 Nov 2023 23:13:32 No.5848476 Report

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>>5848328
>T should of died for our hubris. And it should of tainted the rest of the game. As our greatest mistake. We should of had it haunt us. It would of been great for character development. And we probably would of been more cautious.

Yes, exactly, because God forbid we had some fucking ethos and character growth in a Greek quest centered around the Trojan War!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lE7LdxlT Wed 29 Nov 2023 23:57:32 No.5848503 Report

Quoted By: >>5848586

>>5848378
I am still getting caught up. Treating this quest as a real Greek tragedy in and of itself makes the archive read much more engaging. I for one fully expect Nikandros to make it to Elysium where he belongs. It's also very funny that the self-sacrificing end option truly threw Athena off for a brief moment.

What would you say the aftermath of this decision would be, in story? What ripples would Nikandros' death carry in this quest's Trojan War, waves both mortal and divine?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:d8OpaSh6 Thu 30 Nov 2023 00:27:19 No.5848540 Report

Quoted By: >>5848586

>>5848273
>you can be dumb and cruel, you can be cruel and smart, you can be nice and smart, but you cannot be dumb and nice.
Since being dumb was a given, would a quest with an MC who is dumb and cruel be enjoyable? Most anons have decided that it wouldn't but you still sound regretful.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 30 Nov 2023 01:11:49 No.5848586 Report

Quoted By: >>5848624 >>5848656

>>5848503

>What would you say the aftermath of this decision would be, in story?

Nikandros is a literal who, so the practical consequences of his death are limited to short-term considerations, mostly. Hector has murdered one of the Hellene diplomatic party members though, and is enraged by the kidnapping of Paris. Paris and Hector attend the council meetings together and the talks fail as a result - Paris basically counters Odysseus, Hector speaks movingly about how the Hellenes are impious barbarians and cannot be trusted. The talks fail, and the Trojan War occurs and basically proceeds as described in the Iliad. Nikon's influence is so minimal, he is entirely forgotten by the time of Homer. His achievement of locating Achilles is eventually misattributed to Palamedes by Latin fanfiction writers.

Electra never pays up on the contract with Nikon; Deianira is basically left to her own wits (but she's a smart girl).

>What ripples would Nikandros' death carry in this quest's Trojan War, waves both mortal and divine?

Basically, none. He wanders the realm of Hades for an unavenged soul for 10 years before Achilles kills Hector. By that time, Achilles has largely forgotten about Nikandros.

>>5848540

>Since being dumb was a given

I think it's sad when anons set a low bar for themselves and others. Difficult quests are engaging quests, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Thu 30 Nov 2023 01:57:58 No.5848624 Report

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>>5848586
>I think it's sad when anons set a low bar for themselves and others. Difficult quests are engaging quests, anon.
Look at what happened when we had to figure out how to respond to Hector. We literally collapsed into utter confusion and stupidity. Anons aren't smart enough to do stuff like that, sadly.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Thu 30 Nov 2023 01:59:32 No.5848629 Report

Quoted By: >>5848638 >>5849249

>>5848448
No shit Sherlock. But THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF GREEK STORIES. SHITTY STUFF HAPPENS TO EVERYONE. like fuck dude go play God of War. That's literally the world we were in. The gods are vicious and capricious. Like we helped menelaus rape a girl. Like come on. We were told many times MORALITY IS NOT THE SAME AS MODERN TIMES.

baka. Like straight retarded. But I wanted to be a anime hero. C u c k s

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/shjahbz Thu 30 Nov 2023 02:08:11 No.5848638 Report

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>>5848629
Shitty stuff in Greek Tragedies happen to people whom either:
A) Fall to Hubris and do idiotic stuff, kinda like us.
or
B) Are pretty and attract the attention of Zeus, Posideon or Apollo.
Teukros did NEITHER of these things. He DID NOT deserve to doe for our stupidity. We hit the Hubris button and it killed us.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Thu 30 Nov 2023 02:18:11 No.5848656 Report

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>>5848586
9/10 given anons are capable of figuring it out given time, but that drops the more people there are/stressful the situation is due to herd mentality and panic, until eventually only a few people actually understand what the fuck is happening and the rest are just following along.

As well, anons were certainly going to be dumber than the character if the character is particularly smart, much less a genius, just like how they'll be smarter than the character if the character is particularly dumb/given to emotion/a literal animal. In this case anons kept making bad decisions unbefitting of Nik's 17 int simply because he's smarter than them.

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Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 04:13:24 No.5848799 Report

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Lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Thu 30 Nov 2023 11:06:53 No.5849041 Report

Quoted By: >>5849134

i blame the namefags
we were doing ok then they came along and the IQ of anons took a nosedive death spiral.

and whenever i will make a quest i will use set dc for difficulty not this opposed dices otherwise there's too much punishment

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 11:31:33 No.5849061 Report

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The rolling system to determine difficulty in this quest was fucking stupid anyway, a symptom of that retard Homer having no idea how to balance.
Character creation was fucked from the start, too.
I won't miss it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 11:51:42 No.5849072 Report

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Like, I can't imagine being dumb enough to think that players will care about picking the "optimal" or "best" choice when the way the dice worked in this quest is that there was practically at best a 50/50 chance to not get fucked regardless of what was picked.
Of course players were going to take the reckless route when that had practically the same odds of success as being overly cautious anyway.
Really... what were you thinking? Homer too.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Thu 30 Nov 2023 13:32:06 No.5849134 Report

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>>5849041
This anon is correct, namefagging and opposing dice are ALWAYS bad for quests, I've dropped a few quests because of rampant namefagging and all these quests went to shit shortly after.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 14:46:08 No.5849180 Report

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At the end of the day, history proved the anons that drove Homer away by complaining about their dogshit build being worthless for the quest they were in absolutely right.
Ironic.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:d8OpaSh6 Thu 30 Nov 2023 15:51:07 No.5849249 Report

Quoted By: >>5849329

>>5848629
>we helped menelaus rape a girl
You did what?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 30 Nov 2023 17:06:16 No.5849329 Report

Quoted By: >>5849359

>>5849249

Read the archives, my friend.

Anon is factually correct but Nikon didn’t sanction the assault, per se.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 17:27:51 No.5849359 Report

Quoted By: >>5849368 >>5849370

>>5849329
Why bother reading the archives for a dead quest that is written to end "unsatisfyingly"?
Seems like a waste of time.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Thu 30 Nov 2023 17:39:41 No.5849368 Report

Quoted By: >>5849425

>>5849359
Because it's a good read?
Also, you seem to be MAD, anon, you've made 1/2 of the last 10 posts

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Thu 30 Nov 2023 17:40:46 No.5849370 Report

Quoted By: >>5849425

>>5849359
Don't be a horse's ass. Everything has meaning.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 18:31:21 No.5849425 Report

Quoted By: >>5849435 >>5849442 >>5849449 >>5849470

>>5849368
>It's a good read
Subjective, this complete trainwreck of an ending is my evidence put forth to suggest the contrary. As for this quest itself, I'm just here to gloat mostly, I haven't been interested in it at all since I got Homer to abandon it in the first place.
And guess what? I was proven right the entire time. Copiumfags were btfo. The build WAS shit and would never have worked given the voting tendencies anons have. So thanks for proving it for me you fucking Guinea pigs, saved me the effort. At least Homer could see that and jumped ship.

>>5849370
What a nonsensical comment to make.
A dead quest is a dead quest. A QM who says his quest's end is deliberately unsatisfying is no better than a flake. That's what you get when you invite the namefag menace into your quest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DEjvFg1L Thu 30 Nov 2023 18:38:33 No.5849435 Report

Quoted By: >>5849438

>>5849425
What a bitchy faggot you are. Is this really how you spend time in your day? "Gloating" over a dead quest and now-inactive QMs?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 18:46:16 No.5849438 Report

Quoted By: >>5850884

>>5849435
Oh, wow! That's a lot of anger you've got there anon. What's the matter, upset with how the quest went?
It could've only gone this way.
Maybe if you knew what being vindicated and correct was like, you'd be able to gloat, too.
Not sure why you put the word gloating in quote marks either, because like, that's exactly what I'm doing.
To tell the truth I didn't think you and your new QM would be able to fuck shit up this quickly. Then again I also thought that nobody would be dumb enough to try to pick up the disaster that the quest was guaranteed to become.
Still funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Thu 30 Nov 2023 18:49:10 No.5849442 Report

Quoted By: >>5849445

>>5849425
1/2 of the last 14 posts

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 18:50:38 No.5849445 Report

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>>5849442
Damn right, anon.
I missed out on a lot of shitposting, and seeing as this quest will be lost to the sands of time soon enough, I figure I may as well get it done now.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C9IIsXf+ Thu 30 Nov 2023 18:55:09 No.5849449 Report

Quoted By: >>5849475 >>5849484

>>5849425
You're the buildanon who complained and complained until Homer fucked off weren't you?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Thu 30 Nov 2023 19:10:52 No.5849470 Report

Quoted By: >>5849475

>>5849425
>A QM who says his quest's end is deliberately unsatisfying is no better than a flake.
Objectively wrong. A QM who finishes a quest is always better than a flake.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 19:18:37 No.5849475 Report

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>>5849449
That's right. I am.
Now I see myself proven right.
Vindicated.

>>5849470
Ok, SOMNIUS.

Dumb cunt

Dumb cunt ID:03D11EN5 Thu 30 Nov 2023 19:28:29 No.5849484 Report

Quoted By: >>5849485

>>5849449
He admitted that yes that was him. Probably the dude that samefagged the thread too. Killed us just to be cunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 30 Nov 2023 19:29:29 No.5849485 Report

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>>5849484
Oh no, I'd never samefag.You brought this chaos unto yourselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MEttGl5I Fri 01 Dec 2023 08:15:35 No.5850208 Report

Quoted By: >>5850283

Now that Nikon is dead, will First Platoon still deploy overseas? I presume not, and this will make Deianira's tasks easier.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 01 Dec 2023 11:33:05 No.5850283 Report

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>>5850208

Correct, Nikon’s death will reach Deianira pretty quickly, and she’d be able to retain the First Platoon as a result.

She’ll need the soldiers - now that she’s destabilized the northern border of her part of Thessaly, the surviving lords of her patch of the country will need to find a way to keep the barbaroi out…

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 01 Dec 2023 13:27:48 No.5850348 Report

Quoted By: >>5850350 >>5850356 >>5850359 >>5850365 >>5850372 >>5850404 >>5850427 >>5850485 >>5850488 >>5850489 >>5850720 >>5850738 >>5851112 >>5851147 >>5851240 >>5851626 >>5851689 >>5854871

Now that've all had some time to cool off and reflect from the ending of TWQ, I'm thinking that we can make use of the thread while it's still on the board for some non-binding voting.

To be totally truthful, I think we all made mistakes here. I was probably too hard on the players, and I probably should have provided SLIGHTLY more guidance in the actual voting suggestions, as befitting Nik's INT of 17. I ultimately stand by my choices, though - the players chose a very high-risk venture and lost.

I'm absolutely not committing to run a new quest any time soon, but I am wondering whether the players here would have any interest in the following quests.

Feel free to vote for the one you like to play the most:

>Seven Against Thebes (playing as Nikon's father in the failed venture to capture Thebes about 20 years before the events of TWQ). And maybe, find a path forwards in TWQ.

>The Epigoni Campaign (successfully taking the city of Thebes alongside Diomedes, etc)

>Achaean War Quest (playing as one of Priam's sons, defending against the Greeks)

>Sea Peoples Quest (aka raiding along the Aegean/Mediterranean in a big destructive wave after the Trojan War is over)

>Heraclidae Invasion of the Peloponnese (You are an angry grandson of Herakles, smash the current Greek system, set decades after the Trojan War)

>Playing as a captain in Pharoah Ramesses II's army during one of his campaigns of conquest (set at around the same time as the Trojan War)

>Something else?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 01 Dec 2023 13:33:24 No.5850350 Report

Quoted By: >>5850666

>>5850348
>Seven Against Thebes
I’m interested in seeing the brain eater Tydeus and Amphiaraus the seer who provided the brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:C9IIsXf+ Fri 01 Dec 2023 13:39:50 No.5850356 Report

Quoted By: >>5850666

>>5850348
>Sea Peoples Quest (aka raiding along the Aegean/Mediterranean in a big destructive wave after the Trojan War is over)
Fuck being nice. Time to be mean, cruel and rich.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Fri 01 Dec 2023 13:53:29 No.5850359 Report

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>>5850348
With ideas like that it's no wonder you had to steal this quest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HZmAYTu6 Fri 01 Dec 2023 14:13:31 No.5850365 Report

Quoted By: >>5850666

>>5850348
>Achaean War Quest (playing as one of Priam's sons, defending against the Greeks)

Because We really haven’t see anything of the Trojan war in a quest.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Fri 01 Dec 2023 14:24:33 No.5850372 Report

Quoted By: >>5850666

>>5850348
>Sea Peoples Quest (aka raiding along the Aegean/Mediterranean in a big destructive wave after the Trojan War is over)
That'd be neat. Full raider mentality.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Fri 01 Dec 2023 15:17:58 No.5850404 Report

Quoted By: >>5850519 >>5850666

>>5850348
>Something else?
The Twelve Labors of Hercules(Play as Hercules as he completes his 12 labors)

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Fri 01 Dec 2023 15:55:42 No.5850427 Report

Quoted By: >>5850666

>>5850348
>Sea Peoples Quest (aka raiding along the Aegean/Mediterranean in a big destructive wave after the Trojan War is over)

i want to see where this leads... though the boat ride will probably never end

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:PyblmwVO Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:39:52 No.5850485 Report

Quoted By: >>5850488 >>5850489

>>5850348
>Something else?
Redux TWQ as a Trojan Prince trying to sa e his city for Paris's folly and prophetix wrath. We NEVER see this war form the perspective of the Trojans. I think it would be neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:PyblmwVO Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:41:54 No.5850488 Report

Quoted By: >>5850666

>>5850485
>>5850348
Actually shot scratch that.
>Achaean War Quest (playing as one of Priam's sons, defending against the Greeks)
I just saw this. This is an AMAZING idea considering that we rarely ever see the Trojan perspective. I would LOVE this.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:42:09 No.5850489 Report

Quoted By: >>5850491 >>5850666

>>5850485
That'd be the Achean war quest anon
>>5850348
>Seven Against Thebes (playing as Nikon's father in the failed venture to capture Thebes about 20 years before the events of TWQ).
But it'd be fine with any.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:PyblmwVO Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:44:20 No.5850491 Report

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>>5850489
Didnt see that option until after i posted.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 01 Dec 2023 18:14:00 No.5850519 Report

Quoted By: >>5850526 >>5850555

>>5850404

Pretty amusing idea but it would be intimidating to try and build a meaningful quest around a walking natural disaster.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Fri 01 Dec 2023 18:24:04 No.5850526 Report

Quoted By: >>5850531 >>5850555

>>5850519
You couldn't even build a meaningful quest around the Trojan War so I doubt that should be holding you back.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:TNb46wok Fri 01 Dec 2023 18:26:50 No.5850531 Report

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>>5850526
fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Fri 01 Dec 2023 18:54:50 No.5850555 Report

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>>5850526
See you in the next quest.

>>5850519
Yeah, but you could try to ground him more with human interactions and mindset instead of focusing on his godlike strength.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 01 Dec 2023 21:02:03 No.5850666 Report

Quoted By: >>5850678

Seven-Hero Army

>>5850350
>>5850489

Waterworld LBA

>>5850356
>>5850372
>>5850427

Ilion Tower Defense

>>5850365
>>5850488

Earth's Mightiest Hero

>>5850404

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Thanks for humoring me with this poll - I'll keep it running indefinitely for anyone who wants to chime in.

If I actually ran these:

A "Sea Peoples Quest" would take place where Orestes, son of Agamemnon, is King of Mycenae, and the player MC would be a minor noble. This would be probably similar to Total War Quest in the sense that the MC would be starting a low level of power and would be somewhat open-ended.

A "Seven Against Thebes Quest" would start with Hippomedon off at a substantially higher power level (maybe Level 3 - 5) and with superior gear to boot. It would be a shorter, tighter story in some ways.

An "Achaean War Quest" would be pretty interesting, and would start off as Paris returns with Helen. I can imagine a quest in which the Trojan MC has to basically sweep out over the Troad and collect allies before the Achaeans arrive, and then works to prevent the destruction of Ilion from there.

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I'd make some minor changes to Homer's system if I ran again. For example, probably ALL challenges should be Bo3 (including social encounters). I actually DO like the competing dice mechanic (although it absolutely raises difficulty for the MC), so I would probably be keeping that if I continued.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Fri 01 Dec 2023 21:10:32 No.5850678 Report

Quoted By: >>5850744

>>5850666
>I actually DO like the competing dice mechanic ... so I would probably be keeping that if I continued.
Pack it up boys, this bozo is just as retarded as I thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Fri 01 Dec 2023 22:17:27 No.5850720 Report

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>>5850348
>>Playing as a captain in Pharoah Ramesses II's army during one of his campaigns of conquest (set at around the same time as the Trojan War)
Ancient egypt is cool

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Fri 01 Dec 2023 22:46:10 No.5850738 Report

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>>5850348
>>Sea Peoples Quest (aka raiding along the Aegean/Mediterranean in a big destructive wave after the Trojan War is over)
>>5850348
>>Achaean War Quest (playing as one of Priam's sons, defending against the Greeks)
These two sound preem

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:HZmAYTu6 Fri 01 Dec 2023 23:01:45 No.5850744 Report

Quoted By: >>5850777 >>5850893

>>5850678
>Man got so angered by character creation he came back for more.
>behold, this is what we call “loser behaviour”. Point and laugh.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sat 02 Dec 2023 00:24:11 No.5850777 Report

Quoted By:

>>5850744
You're no better than he is, queer.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 02 Dec 2023 02:34:46 No.5850847 Report

Quoted By:

I just want Nikon back.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:bJ11XN8f Sat 02 Dec 2023 03:12:01 No.5850884 Report

Quoted By: >>5850893

>>5849438
This quest was excellent - don't flame it just because you lack the chops to understand the QM's storytelling ability buddy

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sat 02 Dec 2023 03:21:27 No.5850893 Report

Quoted By: >>5850910

>>5850744
Nah, I won.
>>5850884
What story would that be? The unresolved story of the chucklefuck who kept being retarded and then died like a retard?
Everything I thought would happen happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:bJ11XN8f Sat 02 Dec 2023 03:37:48 No.5850910 Report

Quoted By: >>5850921

>>5850893
There is a certain level of artistry there that reddit-tier readers like you can't understand.

You probably think that marvel writing is top tier, since the characters never die and the story goes on indefinitely past any point of reasonable resolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sat 02 Dec 2023 03:48:44 No.5850921 Report

Quoted By: >>5850925

>>5850910
>le reddit
You're not fitting in yet, faggot.
Enjoy your slopquest.
I'll be back to laugh whenever your faggot QM fucks up another quest, though maybe in the future he'll be decent enough to ruin his own ideas.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:bJ11XN8f Sat 02 Dec 2023 03:51:23 No.5850925 Report

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>>5850921
I'm going to be honest.

I've literally never read a single update of this quest, but I dropped by solely to participate in arguing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 02 Dec 2023 08:21:13 No.5851112 Report

Quoted By: >>5851174

>>5850348
>I ultimately stand by my choices, though
>"The players were - by my admission - playing without a full deck because of my oversight. Therefore I will punish them for their sub-optimal half-informed decision-making."
Way to twist the knife. I can't tell if you're being stubborn or just a dick. Also you fucked up on the result on the roll back when Hector saw through the deception. He got a 17 not a 19. Wouldn't change the outcome but if the other write-in would have resulted in even a single positive point of modifier on our end it would have. Which might have even been picked with a minuscule amount of input from you. Which yeah sure you could say it wouldn't actually and we'd still have been instantly fucked, you're the boss, you make the rules, right? Yes I am bitter and yes I think it's shitty how this turned out. All I'm saying is damn dude, stop kicking us while we're down.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:MEttGl5I Sat 02 Dec 2023 09:52:27 No.5851147 Report

Quoted By:

>>5850348
I vote for either finishing Deianira's Side Story or

>Seven Against Thebe
The latter, being a shorter Quest, seems like a good rebound for you.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 02 Dec 2023 10:56:38 No.5851174 Report

Quoted By: >>5851175 >>5851213 >>5851234

>>5851112

>fatfingered 17 instead of 19 in the Hector freakout update

Oops, you’re right. Still wouldn’t have changed anything though, Pollux’s roll was too low.

It’s reasonable to be upset anon, I was very upset too! I spent almost a year of my free time getting ready to run this quest only to watch the players ignore all of my (many) warnings, run headlong into the most dangerous situation possible, then choose to kill themselves and end the quest rather than grapple with their mistakes. It’s a very sad outcome for all involved.

But to explain further, Hector had only a 5% chance of appearing in the hallway, and attempting to deceive Hector wasn’t a terrible choice - essentially close to a 50/50 for even one degree of success, but you guys went about it poorly by using Pollux with a nonsensical write-in (which I had to pick by roll due to lack of consensus).

Then Hector yeets his spear at Pollux instead of Teukros (50% probability), triggering the time-stop process, and then Nikon kills himself rather than face the consequences of his poor decision making. So it’s something like a ~1% chance that Nikon would even be confronted by the suicide vote in the first place even given Hector’s appearance.

>Which might have even been picked with a minuscule amount of input from you.

Anon plz, multiple players noted the extreme danger that Hector presented, and then proceeded to gamble with Nikon’s (very fragile) life anyways.

Pollux, FYI, thought that he was giving Nikon a free pass to save his own skin.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 02 Dec 2023 10:58:09 No.5851175 Report

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>>5851174

> even given Hector’s appearance.

Oops I meant to say “once he entered the palace” here

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 02 Dec 2023 11:58:56 No.5851213 Report

Quoted By: >>5851243

>>5851174
Man all we had to do was get the Teukros write-in and it would have been two degrees of failure instead of three. He would have eliminated the -1 from non-fluency and the the lie itself probably wouldn't have gotten a -1 for being out of character for Paris. Since so far every degree of success has been decided by at least every 3 points over the roll was. And all you had to do was mention the small detail that Pollux wasn't fluent. Literally the smallest thing you could have done. And you still haven't explained where Hector got a bonus die for seeing "armed intruders" when we were within arms reach of guards, servants, and other people on more than one occasion and none of them saw it. With Nikon being big enough to hide both of his spears behind his leg alone and Pollux and Castor being partially obscured by Paris and Teukros. All while being at a distance of fifteen strides, that's almost 40 feet away for a person of his height and strong stride. Without that he would have only had a 15 instead. And yes, I am aware that would have been 9 difference in the roll still and wouldn't have changed anything.

I argued and pleaded as much as I could without directly calling individual anons retarded and that they should change their vote because I was worried it'd make them double down out of spite. Anons were communicating and trying to figure it out entirely in the dark with only two decent options and one that might appear a bad idea at a glance, or both depending on how paranoid someone is. And neither of them were favorable. Give me a break. You think pointing out that Pollux can't speak fluent Luwian is an unreasonable ask considering the panic anons were in? "plz". Jesus.

I'm more than upset, I'm depressed. There's no amount of "It's totally your fault. You wanted to kill yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't have been stupid." is gonna assuage that. You act like you're unhappy about it when you've got reason enough to step back and say "yeah maybe this was a bad call". Yeah right.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sat 02 Dec 2023 12:49:30 No.5851234 Report

Quoted By: >>5851243

>>5851174
i think what made anons choose badly was a lack of communication

Lesches you went on with the assuption based on your choices that Nikon would propose to Pollux any plan he came up with.

i think 90% of anons completely discounted your hints and assumed that Nikon would have taken initiative himself telling Teukros or intimidating Paris to sell the lie

because Nikon is told to be smart and would have know Pollux wasn't the first choice for this course of action.

so instead of doing a secondary vote on who to whisper this plan to you went ahead and wrote the worst possible person to sell the lie.

sorry to say Lesches but the one who killed this quest was you in the end.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 02 Dec 2023 12:52:08 No.5851235 Report

Quoted By: >>5851243

>>5843987
As a matter of fact let's look at the two decent choices given. In between the various flavors of fucking suicide you offered us. One is surrender. Oh yeah that's great, for everyone except Nikon. Everyone else has some way to get out, with Nikon's only armor being that he is part of the Achaean delegation. Something anons may overlook. So this one looks pretty fucking bad since it's easy to assume that'll mean execution for Nikon. Especially considering so far there has been basically zero mention of ransom anywhere in the quest, which contrary to popular belief they did do quite a lot back then, they didn't just slaughter each other. Except for the end of a ten year war when everyone was pissed off, of course. Which hasn't happened yet.

The next? Threatening to kill the one thing keeping us alive at the moment. Yeah, that sounds like a very logical choice. Oh right and the part where we'd be trapped in Paris' room with no knowing if there was a way we could actually escape from. Is there a window? Maybe. Is it so high that jumping from it would kill us? Who knows. Most people aren't going to vote to trap themselves.

So this is our fault for not knowing what to do, Mr. Uncooperative? Making the choice effectively a WAT DO vote? And what, praying that we're smart enough COLLECTIVELY to know what to do and agree on it?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:zU/TXfCh Sat 02 Dec 2023 13:04:34 No.5851240 Report

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>>5850348
>Something else?
Deianira quest

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 02 Dec 2023 13:07:45 No.5851243 Report

Quoted By: >>5851251 >>5851253

>>5851213

Anon, I wept writing the final update. This is not what I wanted - I had to drown my own puppy here.

If it’s easier for you to think I am an asshole QM trying to torture my players, then you have my blessing to do so.

>not pointing out that Pollux can't speak fluent Luwian was unreasonable.

No one asked, and Nikon didn’t know for sure anyways (I would have said that Nikon has never seen Pollux speaking Luwian if asked and therefore it would be reasonable to be cautious). As for the “armed intruders” bonus die, I put out a pretty detailed warning post here (>>5844363) but unfortunately, i think it was either disregarded or misunderstood by most players.

I think the “TWQ BAD END” here has been challenging for everyone, myself included, but I don’t regret running the quest or that we became invested in Nikon’s world.

>>5851234

I’m sorry you feel this way, anon. But Pollux was in charge of the mission, and therefore had de facto authority, which is why all of the initial vote options here (>>5843987) are about Pollux. Maybe you’re right in that I should have collated all of the write-ins and triggered a sub-vote, but I honestly thought discussion was trending in the right direction at that point in time (which is why I keep extending the vote).

>>5851235

Again, I’m sorry that you are upset, anon. But a negotiated surrender would have instead led to everyone being temporarily imprisoned before being bailed out by Menelaus and Odysseus, Hector staying non-hostile in the hallways, and everyone survives to make it to the council. IIRC, there were no votes or even questions about the surrender option presented.

>And what, praying that we're smart enough COLLECTIVELY to know what to do and agree on it?

Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sat 02 Dec 2023 13:30:11 No.5851251 Report

Quoted By: >>5851255 >>5851265 >>5851551

>>5851243
most of all i blame that the Hector panic brainfreezed anons (like me)
otherwise one might have caught on that the somewhat reasonable choice which included telling Pollux was winning

which also weight on the intelligence of Pollux not to ask for an interpreter instead of butting in with a half assed excuse

Hector clearly addressed Paris then Teukros believing him Dius

though the Aristeia triggering immediately was kind of an asspull since no blood had been spilled yet.
and Nikon should have survived a training spear otherwise but that's the mechanics at fault.
without that holy rage something like losing an eye to save Teukros would have been a better fork and while punished wouldn't have ended the quest.

so the mistakes you made were from being new at QMing and trying hard to make no compromises.

also not waiting for me to roll a 19 like when i saved Nikon from the Eagles or a 20 for Deianira against the river bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 02 Dec 2023 13:35:09 No.5851253 Report

Quoted By: >>5851265

>>5851243
I don't think you're an asshole, I think you're unreasonable. Everything you want hinges on anons making the correct decisions, convincing each other they are the correct decisions, and asking questions that slip the mind of everyone because they have other more pressing things to worry about. It is entirely you refusing to be reasonable about it.

>deteailed warning post
None of that actually suggests armed intruders. Only that Hector would recognize that Teukros is not Dius. Would Hector know that they are Dius' clothes? No mention. Would Hector notice the knife? No mention. There is no indication other than to say Hector is paranoid. Which is also not indicated. Nor would that fit his character. Wary, perhaps. But only so that there are a bunch of weirdos with his brother and they all seem friendly enough in the wrong place. Sorry but that ain't it.

Do you know why there were no votes or questions about the surrender? Because anons were overthinking. And fixating on the wrong things. Because they dismissed it out of turn because surrender puts you entirely at your enemy's mercy and they didn't want to put their lives into the guy who could wring their necks like a damp towel.

You repeatedly punish us for not living up to your expectations. That is entirely unfair. We're not just contending with your hints but each other. We have to argue. Sometimes what we say turns the other side off and further away. Sometimes it doesn't. There is no Odysseus amongst us who can just magically convince the others to follow along. I really want to keep playing as Nikon and actually have a chance to do something in the story beyond keep the status quo going. That you'd rewind the quest just a little and give us another go. Just give us the slightest breeze in our sails if necessary. To be part of an "Epic" that the Iliad is and not an anachronistic tragedy that wouldn't exist until centuries after Homer's time, despite the suffering and horror contained therein. No different than the Arthurian Legends, or Beowulf, or the tale of Gilgamesh. But I know I can't have that because you're convinced this is the "right" thing to do and maybe it is, maybe now I'm being unreasonable too. I like your writing. You just got a skull as thick as the rest of us. I'm gonna go get drunk and probably slam my face into a countertop. I'm sorry for ranting at you and I hope this doesn't sour your day.

Even now I panic at the thought of failure. I hope I haven't turned you off on the idea of QMing. Maybe I think too highly of myself, my heroic flaw, hubris. Hah. I wonder what everyone else's is? I still love y'all ya fuckin' nuts. I'll go have my breakdown and leave you alone for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:DaCEj4E8 Sat 02 Dec 2023 13:39:21 No.5851255 Report

Quoted By: >>5851265

>>5851251
I mean, 3 anons (my humble self included) did vote to let the CHA 100 guy come up with a good explanation to get rid of his brother. My only regret is not campaigning harder for this.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sat 02 Dec 2023 14:05:55 No.5851265 Report

Quoted By: >>5851302 >>5851551 >>5852214

>>5851251

>though the Aristeia triggering immediately was kind of an asspull since no blood had been spilled yet.

Well, Hector cast the training spear pre-aristeia. So his +14 bonus was actually at normal combat bonuses. But I thought it would be appropriate for Hector to immediately roll, seeing his brother in a hostage situation, and I thought it would be appropriate for Nik’s party to roll, because fucking Hector is charging them.

>>5851253

>you’re being unreasonable

This is entirely probably possible, of course. But I can’t just turn back time and undo what I wrote - it “happened” now. It wouldn’t be right for me to tease a possible continuation TWQ to anons if I’m not even sure if I’m running again in the near-term or whether it would be appropriate to do so.

As for the “armed intruders” thing, anon - you guys were in the high-security wing of the Royal Palace, most of you guys are clearly Hellenes, and if nothing else, Teukros had Dius’ bow on his back for all to see, even if the Lebinthian knife was hidden. So for Hector, “armed Hellenes carrying weapons through the Royal Apartments with my brother who is supposed to be on Mount Ida with an obviously BS story (based on Pollux’s bad roll) about an competition” was easily translated to “these men are holding my brother hostage and I must crush them to rescue Paris”.

>>5851255

Yes and I was pulling for you guys. Don’t blame yourself, though - it’s no single anons fault.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sat 02 Dec 2023 14:16:33 No.5851268 Report

Quoted By:

I told you, he's not malicious, he's just a dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sat 02 Dec 2023 14:58:07 No.5851302 Report

Quoted By: >>5851931

>>5851265
>But I can’t just turn back time and undo what I wrote - it “happened” now.
Lesches, you're writing a fanfiction on 4chan. I don't care if you give us a mulligan or not but you're taking this, a game, way too seriously. Do what you want, no one's holding a gun to your head.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sat 02 Dec 2023 14:58:14 No.5851303 Report

Quoted By: >>5851931

Holy shit, he put a "surrender" option in a quest and thought that it would be contemplated by anons for even more than a quarter of a fucking nanosecond.
Yeah it's obvious that you have no fucking idea how anons vote and how quests work.
Right, gonna drop my asshole act for just a moment and give some actual advice.

Read more quests. Actually pay attention to the mechanics of how they work, learn how players vote. What you might see as QM's refusing to punish players or whatever the fuck is typically just QM's wanting to keep running a story, this is why so often mechanically things are bent in the favor of the players. Quests back on /tg/ which could end with a single poor choice were often low effort affairs, and not say, things that the QM spent months preparing to run. As a once QM myself, one of the most important things for a QM to do is compromise. It's just a story. If you want to keep writing it, make some bullshit up. Use a plot device. Use a deus ex machina. Nobody cares. Just don't hit us with this "I le wept" bullshit.

You could argue that overuse of these things can lead to feelings of player invulnerability, but that is very often not the case. Players can switch between feeling completely invulnerable and hopelessly doomed on a hair trigger based on the smallest of events regardless.
It's okay to have a difficult quest where a hero strives against the odds and comes out on top.
But it's less interesting to have a difficult quest where a hero gets battered and beaten by the world and then dies.
In addition you can't just expect everyone casually reading a quest about the Trojan War to fucking start RPing as Classical Era Greek Soldiers so that they can only take the IC options. More often than not in delicate situations, their own moral code will define the choices they make unless they're just making troll votes.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 02 Dec 2023 19:45:27 No.5851551 Report

Quoted By: >>5851931 >>5866951

>>5851251
I for one would welcome Nikon being called "the one eyed giant" to disparage him. It would look pretty badass and intimidating anyway. Even if it'd probably confer a 2 or 3 point malus to offensive rolls.

I'd also consider a brutal mangling to Nikon's face that permanently disfigures him and penalizes his already low CHA modifier and lowers the stat cap as well.

>>5851265
>But I can’t just turn back time and undo what I wrote
And why not? It's not like anyone would judge you. Or compel you. The only thing stopping you is you. It wouldn't be the first time a QM has decided to make an executive decision like that. If it's an ending no one wants, not even the QM, no one would advocate keeping it. Except trolls of course. It's one thing to course to punish players for intentionally acting "poorly" in whatever form that would take or for being obscenely stupid, it's another to punish yourself when no one asked you to. There's no reason to hold fast to a decision no one, not even you yourself, wants.

>So for Hector, “armed Hellenes carrying weapons through the Royal Apartments with my brother who is supposed to be on Mount Ida with an obviously BS story about an competition”
See now you're explaining. Now it's making more sense. He used deductive reasoning AS Pollux was trying to deceive him. That's how dumb I am that I needed to be told that in this manner. That's also generally how dumb the rest of us can be at times. You can't possibly expect us to make the decisions that you would make, knowing everything that you do, when we can't even figure out how a damn door opens sometimes and some of us have a reading level that barely got out of high-school like moi.

However
>>5843956
>Under your robes, you have a pair of Salaminian javelins. Castor still wears the bow of Dius upon his back. Teukros holds your Lebinthian knife. Pollux has a pair of javelins on his back as well.
The bow was not on Teukros' back. It was on Castor's. And my earlier assessment of partial concealment by two other men and his own skill at stealth should have been enough in my mind to reasonably hide the weapon from a single man so far away.

I'd even offer myself as a sacrificial bull. I'd give up my right to vote and roll. Or swear to stop voicing complaints wholesale about stuff like unfavorable rolls. I'd steal my voice away, the only thing I have, to get this back. Even if playing the part of the martyr is cringe and egocentric.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:jmI9EaXc Sat 02 Dec 2023 21:08:13 No.5851626 Report

Quoted By: >>5851931

>>5850348
Continue this quest with some story malus. I wish to storm the beaches of Troy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:n3wZyoM4 Sat 02 Dec 2023 21:32:04 No.5851656 Report

Quoted By:

As I see it this entire quest can and should be treated as a tutorial for running an actual Trojan War quest. Barring that, I say we play as Papa Hipomedon and try and deny our fate. I say we start with the Bad Sign malus and fight to usperp our death.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sat 02 Dec 2023 21:37:03 No.5851658 Report

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Anonymous ID:2YpmTWmI Sat 02 Dec 2023 21:50:46 No.5851680 Report

Quoted By:

Damn, I finally have time to read through what happened since the last time I checked this story out and we die.

Good quest QM, I hope you run something else in the future. You are a very competent writer.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:jmI9EaXc Sat 02 Dec 2023 22:01:07 No.5851689 Report

Quoted By: >>5851835 >>5851878 >>5851931

>>5850348
I have been a lurker for this entire quest and an original participant of Homer's. I will agree with anons that more clarified prompts as befitting Nikandros intelligence and the lay-anon would've perhaps changed the outcome. I will also say that anons still at the end of the day is reaping what was sowed.

The quest is still in its prologue. I say, create a malus for the story that will add to the plot and writing due to anon decisions, but continue the quest with this new learning experience for player anons about the nature of Greek Epics for players to have smarter roleplay. Please consider it QM.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 00:08:04 No.5851835 Report

Quoted By: >>5851878 >>5851928 >>5851931

>>5851689
It wouldn't even be that much of a stretch to do. Just write about how Nikon awakens on the ships heading back home, the talks failed, he couldn't complete his oath to the blacksmith yet if ever, and now he's all fucked up in one way or another. His death was just a temporary coma and Castor was trying his damnedest to keep Nikon alive. Then Lesches can say he punished us and everyone can keep playing. It seems like a win win to me. Even if I'd rather have a plain win. A compromise is far superior to nothing. Pollux and Castor can still be upset with the boy. His standing can decrease. Whatever. There's a lot of avenues that can be taken.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sun 03 Dec 2023 00:40:57 No.5851878 Report

Quoted By: >>5851931

>>5851689
>>5851835
Please consider it Lesches.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:jmI9EaXc Sun 03 Dec 2023 01:30:27 No.5851928 Report

Quoted By: >>5851947

>>5851835
Locking us out of endings, paths, etc. can also be something to be done if this example lacks the gravitas of the weight of our actions.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 03 Dec 2023 01:32:44 No.5851931 Report

Quoted By: >>5851947 >>5851965 >>5852214

>>5851302

I take your point, but unfortunately for everyone, autistic focus on the source literature and unreasonably strict adherence to mechanics is how I get my kicks. I'm more neurotypical in my day-to-day life, I swear.

>>5851303

>cogent and apparently well-meaning advice from perfectbuildfag

I am pleasantly surprised, thank you for your feedback and suggestions, anon.

>>5851551

No need for martyrdom, anon (in fact, I would urge you to vote in the future), but my typo about Dius' bow being on Castor's back is well-taken.

>>5851626
>>5851689
>>5851835
>>5851878

I am considering (if only because I regret not being slightly clearer in the Hector social encounter voting options), but it might be several weeks until I have a decision, and even if I decide to run, I might not be ready to do so until mid-February or even March. Again, I'm not promising anything, but any solution to Nikon's death would have to be a very unpleasant? narrative one, not just something done by QM fiat. It will take some time to figure out.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 01:49:08 No.5851947 Report

Quoted By: >>5851960 >>5851999

>>5851928
It wouldn't surprise me if everyone started thinking Nikon even more foolish and useless than they already do. And if Electra were to decide that Nikon didn't do anything to ensure the talks failed, that Pollux was the one who did so the oath is rescinded and she offers no help and no boons in the future. Maybe Pollux would remember the truth of the matter, that Nikon confusingly spared Teukros. But Nikon himself would have forgotten as the goddess decreed. So Nikon would think of himself as a fool and beat himself up over it as well for being a failure on many fronts. He would have gained nothing but misery and pain from the trip with the only winners being the gods. And the only reason Nikon survives is because of his own small but undying resolve to keep on living. I.E. us throwing a fit kek. And it opens up nicely a whole psychological aspect for Nikon. Maybe it manifests as an inferiority complex proper, or he loses some of his personal drive and becomes a grim shell that does things solely because it is his duty. Could be a whole character exploration.

>>5851931
I figured it was a typo but at the time I hadn't because it seemed to flow so naturally. Unironically it just fit. It's a really unfortunate one.

Of course, take your time. It is a lot to think about. Basically asking you to kick what may as well be a hard-coded response. We're all a little high-strung right now anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:03:26 No.5851960 Report

Quoted By: >>5851971 >>5851994 >>5852176

Rolled 9 (1d20)

>>5851947
hey those are some nice ideas for punished Nikon!

rolling for Nikon's unlikely survival!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:07:40 No.5851965 Report

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>>5851931
>autistic focus on the source literature and unreasonably strict adherence to mechanics is how I get my kicks.
That's all fine and dandy, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Just please remember this isn't real life and no one here's going to hold you accountable for self imposed restrictions.
>I'm more neurotypical in my day-to-day life, I swear.
x4doubt

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:11:54 No.5851971 Report

Quoted By: >>5851979 >>5851994

>>5851960

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:17:06 No.5851979 Report

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>>5851971
It's not over til the fat lady sings. And we have met exactly zero fat ladies this entire quest. Checkm8 barbaroi.

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:31:35 No.5851994 Report

Quoted By: >>5851997

>>5851960
>>5851971

WAIT!

i call it null before the gods and may Zeus strike me down as it was not an opposite roll!

i call upon Lesches himself to try and contest this next roll with as many modifiers he pleases!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:33:23 No.5851996 Report

Quoted By: >>5852002 >>5852176

Rolled 8 (1d20)

My rolls are like my builds.
Perfect.

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Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:33:57 No.5851997 Report

Quoted By: >>5852002 >>5852176

Rolled 6 (1d20)

>>5851994
LET GODS AND MORTALS BE MY WITNESS ALL!

I CAST THE DICE OF FATE!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:34:33 No.5851999 Report

Quoted By: >>5852007

>>5851947
>Could be a whole character exploration.
While I don't feel that Nikon becoming some sort of duty-ridden shell is particularly compelling, I heartily agree on the chance for some character exploration.

I feel it would be a chance for some very real introspection. Nikandros has encountered setbacks before, but they have all been just that - setbacks - and oft as not they aren't even his fault, he has just been unlucky. Here and now would be a chance for Nikandros to evaluate a very real, very consequential failure entirely of his own devise. How does Nikandros handle true failure, where his choices directly lead to his current situation (mangled face, loss of eye, loss of kleos, the breaking of his oath). It is only through the suffering of abject failure that Nikandros can fully appreciate what Victory really is.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:35:59 No.5852002 Report

Quoted By: >>5852007

Rolled 19 (1d20)

>>5851996
>>5851997
Even now, even after it is dead, this quest is fucking cursed. No perfect build can change that.
Rolling to break the curse

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:42:10 No.5852007 Report

Quoted By: >>5852014

>>5851999
>is particularly compelling,
Understandable. It's not for everyone and it's kinda done a lot, and rather hamfistedly in other media. I was just throwing ideas out there as they came in here. The ideas do be coming inside of me sometimes. I discounted the one where Nikon develops genuine xenophobia and hates foreigners from the traumatic experience of being shown the river styx.

>It is only through the suffering of abject failure that Nikandros can fully appreciate what Victory really is.
Failing upwards isn't a meme anymore. It's a lifestyle, a journey, and a healthy outlet for grief.

>>5852002
>perfectbuildfag lets go of his perfectbuildfaggotry
>does well
>mfw
There's a lesson here about failure and how to overcome it, I'm sure of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sun 03 Dec 2023 02:44:43 No.5852014 Report

Quoted By:

Rolled 18 (1d20)

>>5852007
The true perfect builds were the dice rolls we failed along the way.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 04:43:54 No.5852144 Report

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As I think about it, Ajax is gonna be pissed we put Teukros in danger. It might be the only reason we get to come back is because Pollux had seen us choose to help Teukros and Pollux can assure Ajax that Nikon saved his little brother. Or perhaps Teukros can convince Ajax by himself to let Nikon's mauled body aboard, even if it is to ostensibly return his body since they think him dead or irrecoverable. The scenarios dance across my mind. Menelaus would be upset because the Dioscuri and a couple of nobodies ruined his chances of getting his wife back. Odysseus would be upset that the war is kicking off and he may target Teukros and Nikon since the Dioscuri are off the table for him. The wider implications of this are very dark indeed should we be able to survive. Punished Nikon indeed. At least Palamedes wouldn't care? Hopium is a deadly drug, do not overindulge, everybody.

On the other hand, I remembered there are a couple legendary healers on the Achaean side in the form of Machaon and Podaleirios, two sons of Asclepius. Not that it helps us now but hey, trivia.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 05:10:17 No.5852173 Report

Quoted By:

One thing I'm pretty surprised by is Thetis not showing up to try and force Nikon to attempt to stop the war with his owed favor, before all of this kicked off. I fully expected something like that to save Achilles.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ZiYKJsSL Sun 03 Dec 2023 05:12:52 No.5852176 Report

Quoted By: >>5852185

>>5851960
>>5851996
>>5851997
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Guys please, PLEASE JUST FUCKING PLEASE, let it go. This quest is fucking cursed. This quest was cursed from the word go. The quest has remained cursed and, even after its fucking dead is STILL CURSED. Punished Nikon would last all of 4 seconds until Ajax, Odicksseus, or Memelaus gets their hands on us. Even IF we survive the trip back home SOMEHOW,
>INB6 LMAO MORE GIANTS DEATH BIRBS
we are gonna get raped by something else. Not one single thing we have done save the boardgame tourney, has gone badly.

>Leaving home for the muster.
>Our fucking Chariot get stolen, we lose the equivalent of 1000000 dollars.

>Attempt to make friends with Peleus to find Achillies.
>REEEEEEEEEEE FUCK OFF BUMPKIN RETARD.

>Have to have a lying contest with Agememmnon that we win only due to the fact the Agememmnon is utterly more retarded than we are. (Funny but also sad AF).
>Partake of the games on Delos.
>Lose horrifically at the race portion even though we should at LEAST do ok at it.

>Manage to get a fate point on Delos to save us from some of the shit rolls.
>On the NEXT ISLAND we land on we go for a fucking walk and have to spend our fate point of stopping a random wild birb monster from utterly raping us to death.

>Find a lead to allow us to get to Paris and possibly seize Helen and start the entire war on our own.
>Find death instead due to MULTIPLE bad dice rolls all at once.

This quest is cursed. Please just stop trying to make it work.

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 05:30:04 No.5852185 Report

Quoted By:

>>5852176
>This quest is cursed. Please just stop trying to make it work.
I certainly have felt that way. I'm not going to disparage you. But I'm locked in now.

Some of those were pretty foregone conclusions.
Losing the chariot, bad, very annoying, but not the hardest thing to work around. We'd find a replacement somehow eventually.
Trying to talk to Peleus who low-key is suffering from dementia was always gonna be weird. Sucks, but honestly not a big deal.
The retard-off with Agamemnon is a highlight and still a success so I don't see why you're complaining. A W is a W.
We were doomed to do poorly on the race on Delos the exact moment we saw there was a river involved. Not really fair to compare.
Fate point hurt, badly, but it still served its purpose. So while I can groan about it I can't really hate it.
The only bad luck that was monumentally bad was here with Hector. Truly. I can't argue that.

May as well fight against fate. Otherwise why live in the first place? I enjoyed my time here so I want it to continue. Despite everything. That's all the reason I need. Even if it comes to naught at least I can tell myself I tried. As useless an affectation that may seem to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 03 Dec 2023 06:02:43 No.5852214 Report

Quoted By: >>5852539

>>5851931
>>5851265
Don't bring this quest back. Those same idiots who voted for this mess and causing the game to end have no right to ask you to continue, especially after throwing a tantrum and being handholded on the right course of action they should have taken. They wanted this end? Fine, let them stew in their mediocrity and pitifulness.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 08:14:07 No.5852365 Report

Quoted By: >>5852897

There is a humor in getting javelined in the face after having done the same thing to that noble on the ship.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sun 03 Dec 2023 11:22:12 No.5852539 Report

Quoted By: >>5852964

>>5852214
>Handholded
HandHELD you disgusting ESL FUCK.
What a terrifyingly retarded sequence of words.
Never dare to try to communicate in my language again.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:VTH+f0hD Sun 03 Dec 2023 18:24:45 No.5852897 Report

Quoted By:

>>5852365
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Sun 03 Dec 2023 19:32:13 No.5852964 Report

Quoted By: >>5852971

>>5852539
Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages
hand·hold
/ˈhan(d)ˌ(h)ōld/
noun
something for a hand to grip on.
"the rock is steep and there are few handholds"
verb
1.
hold (a camera) in the hand when taking a photograph or making a video recording, as opposed to using a tripod.
"we could hand-hold the camera at very slow shutter speeds with hardly any blur"
2.
support or guide (someone) during a learning process or a period of change.
"if you ask a mentor how to register, he or she will hand-hold you through the procedure"

Fuck off, nigger. Just because you can't into English doesn't mean others aren't able to.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sun 03 Dec 2023 19:42:05 No.5852971 Report

Quoted By: >>5852980 >>5852994 >>5853580

>>5852964
>This shit-eating monkey actually got out the dictionary to try to own me
>actually only self-owns
hahahaha. Embarrassing, absolutely fucking embarrassing.
OK ESL retard, but if you actually knew anything about English beyond googling "Handholded" and hoping for the best, you'd know that the past participle of 'hold' is 'held' you dense mouth breathing motherfucker.
Nobody says "She holded my hand." no more than anybody says "I holded the camera" I wouldn't expect this level of nuance about my glorious language to be clear to a retard though. Do me a favor and pick up a book.

But first, you can hold this L.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:r7GxLpQh Sun 03 Dec 2023 19:48:15 No.5852980 Report

Quoted By: >>5852986

>>5852971
>He doesn't know that ablaut is dying out in modern English

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sun 03 Dec 2023 19:53:43 No.5852986 Report

Quoted By:

>>5852980
If by "modern" English you mean "retarded nigger monkey" English, maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 03 Dec 2023 20:01:16 No.5852994 Report

Quoted By: >>5852996 >>5853040

>>5852971
>english
>glorious language

surely you don't mean the deformed rapechild of saxon germanic and viking-french dialect?

i would sooner accept Luwian

you are right on the 'handheld' debacle but please spare us your grammar nazi self-jerking autism.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sun 03 Dec 2023 20:02:47 No.5852996 Report

Quoted By: >>5853125

>>5852994
It matters little how the language came about.
All that matters is that you're complaining about my language IN my language. So suck my gonads, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 20:49:59 No.5853040 Report

Quoted By: >>5853125

>>5852994
>i would sooner accept Luwian
I don't have skin in this particular game but I find this funny because in quest Luwian is represented by Dutch. Which is itself a demonic bastard child pigeon language of German and English.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Sun 03 Dec 2023 21:59:16 No.5853125 Report

Quoted By: >>5853129 >>5853130 >>5853131

>>5852996
the world speaks english because it's been historically predominant as a trade language like greek had been in the bronze age until it was later replaced by roman.

which if we look at it this way, since the leading economy is now the United States not england, technically i'm speaking american.

>>5853040
and that's part of the joke

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Sun 03 Dec 2023 22:03:28 No.5853129 Report

Quoted By: >>5853258

>>5853125
>IESLB
He types, in English.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:kBc17pqQ Sun 03 Dec 2023 22:04:27 No.5853130 Report

Quoted By: >>5853258

>>5853125
>Roman
Latin, you mean

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sun 03 Dec 2023 22:05:26 No.5853131 Report

Quoted By:

>>5853125
>and that's part of the joke
Then I am glad I picked it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 04 Dec 2023 00:00:35 No.5853258 Report

Quoted By: >>5853264

>>5853130
oh yeah, i noticed but didn't bother to call myself out on that

>>5853129
ah yes another american buzzword if you were truly an englishman you would type it all in it's extended form like your germanic roots compel you to.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Mon 04 Dec 2023 00:06:04 No.5853264 Report

Quoted By: >>5853309

>>5853258
>IESLB, again.
Sad stuff.
Wait aren't you one of the retards that voted to fucking an hero lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 04 Dec 2023 00:43:03 No.5853309 Report

Quoted By: >>5853310

>>5853264
>fucking an hero

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Mon 04 Dec 2023 00:43:55 No.5853310 Report

Quoted By: >>5853330

>>5853309
>He is unaware
Fuck off, tourist.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 04 Dec 2023 01:00:08 No.5853330 Report

Quoted By: >>5853346

>>5853310
nah, you'll have to live with the fact that i'm here to stay and there's nothing you can do about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Mon 04 Dec 2023 01:17:14 No.5853346 Report

Quoted By:

>>5853330
At least you acknowledge that you're a pest and a tourist.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 04 Dec 2023 05:54:43 No.5853580 Report

Quoted By: >>5853721

>>5852971
Take an English 101 course, you fucking mongrel. Because you lack basic reading comprehension, I'll explain I was using the word metaphorically, as in Lesches was supporting or guiding them after the fact, not that Lesches literally held their hand, you dumbass retard.

Go ahead and take the last word, cunt. You're exactly the kind of petty, small, worthless person who can't live without it.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:2ZZB/5ZB Mon 04 Dec 2023 09:50:24 No.5853679 Report

Quoted By:

I feel 2nd hand embarrassment for the people attracted by the ad for whom this was their first quest.

PSI: what is happening here is not normal. After the end of a quest, it is customary to say "thanks for running" and move on to other stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Mon 04 Dec 2023 11:43:19 No.5853721 Report

Quoted By:

>>5853580
What a baffling fucking sentence. Like, I can't really fathom how stupid you need to be to wait hours for this to be your comeback.
You're still a retard.
You still don't know what a past participle is.
You still self-owned by pulling out the dictionary.
Now you're trying to change the story? What, do you eat your own shit metaphorically too, big boy?
You utter disgrace.
Now, there's something extra hilarious about claiming to give the last word as you goad someone into responding. It really shows you as the petty little gremlin you are.
Get the fuck out of my sight.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 04 Dec 2023 13:27:55 No.5853749 Report

Quoted By: >>5853760 >>5853761 >>5853879 >>5853888 >>5854072 >>5854194 >>5854241 >>5854293 >>5866951

I've made a decision.

Look out for a new Lesches quest on 02/19/2023.

Second chances are earned in blood. This will not be easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Mon 04 Dec 2023 13:50:26 No.5853760 Report

Quoted By: >>5853766

>>5853749
Lesches are you a time traveller.
How are you running a new quest in February this year.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Mon 04 Dec 2023 13:50:49 No.5853761 Report

Quoted By: >>5853766

>>5853749
>02/19/2023
See you in the past.

How bad is the damage to Nikon's face? Handsome features gone?

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Mon 04 Dec 2023 14:01:42 No.5853766 Report

Quoted By: >>5853888 >>5853933

>>5853760

lol, what a typo to make. 02/19/2024, obviously.

>>5853761

Anon, that entirely depends on the players.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:lRCXlGFU Mon 04 Dec 2023 16:45:26 No.5853879 Report

Quoted By:

>>5853749
See you then, QM.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Mon 04 Dec 2023 16:58:39 No.5853888 Report

Quoted By:

>>5853749
>>5853766
Nice. Can't wait.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:CUGBaXaP Mon 04 Dec 2023 17:52:52 No.5853933 Report

Quoted By: >>5854241

>>5853766
whatever face remains on Nikon i'm sure Deinira will still love him.

rock on Lesches

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8PWHDj6E Mon 04 Dec 2023 20:05:59 No.5854072 Report

Quoted By: >>5854119

>>5853749
You are free to try again of course but given the increased difficulty levels does not correspond with an increase in player intelligence I think you're just wasting your time for something that will inevitably end in tears once more.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:nlndfeY0 Mon 04 Dec 2023 20:56:50 No.5854119 Report

Quoted By:

>>5854072

I’m trying a different tactic, we’ll see if it works out any better

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:aIqjEgpA Mon 04 Dec 2023 22:27:46 No.5854194 Report

Quoted By:

>>5853749
>This will not be easy.
Damn i almost thought it would have been a picnic with the Rivers !

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 04 Dec 2023 23:18:37 No.5854241 Report

Quoted By:

>>5853749
I cannot read Greek, but I do recognize that stick. Let's go

>>5853933
>inb4 nira swears vengeance on hector

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:uds36sla Tue 05 Dec 2023 00:29:04 No.5854293 Report

Quoted By: >>5854306

>>5853749
My niggas what does the greek mean? Also methinkies this a quest to the underworld.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:T6lYWTlj Tue 05 Dec 2023 00:46:10 No.5854306 Report

Quoted By: >>5854316

>>5854293
Επτά επί Θήβας
Epta epi Thevas
Seven against Thebes

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:r7GxLpQh Tue 05 Dec 2023 01:11:57 No.5854316 Report

Quoted By:

>>5854306
Hepta. The reversed comma marks rough breathing, Hs in Ancient Greek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 05 Dec 2023 03:39:38 No.5854495 Report

Quoted By: >>5854554

If you are still taking questions, Lesches, how does aristeia work mechanically besides just a 1 causing it? I'm guessing that the FOB determined that Nikon had a 1d24 rather than 1d37 or 1d39 like Castor or Teukros.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 05 Dec 2023 04:18:52 No.5854554 Report

Quoted By: >>5854607 >>5854715

>>5854495

We obviously never saw Homer’s mechanism for this, but I’m using (IIRC) a system where base aristeia chances are (dice+1d(BASE minus WILL bonus)). So most nobility will have a base 1d40ish chance to proc aristeia on armed conflict or sustained battle sequence.

Nikandros’ divine ancestry lowers his base chances to d25, plus I believe his WILL bonus is +1.

As for the actual combat benefit, I’m 99% sure my equation was (WILL+WILL bonus)/3 = aristeia combat bonus to all physical stats. Some characters have special traits that modify this to some degree though (Pollux retains a super high chance for aristeia, for example, as befitting a son of Zeus, despite having traded away a lot of his natural power).

Additionally, it’s not come up yet, but characters with high WILL also do well in battle command (for morale purposes) and WILL is the stat for charioteering and horsemanship, in addition to magic bullshit like augury (if you happen to be a seer) and social contests.

Practically speaking, if Nikandros or someone else proc’s on his aristeia, he will be substantially more dangerous for the duration of his aristeia (base duration is two turns, plus WILL bonus).

if Nikandros proc’d on his aristeia during the Hector attack, he would have barely survived the cast, FWIW.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Tue 05 Dec 2023 04:49:52 No.5854607 Report

Quoted By: >>5854715 >>5854912

>>5854554
>WILL is the stat for charioteering and horsemanship
That's an interesting stat to choose for that. If I'm not mistaken this means Nira would be better at chariots and horses than Nikon despite not receiving a marital education.

For the equation, does recent trauma and stuff like the death of a close friend play into whether a person enters aristeia?

>aristeia combat bonus to all physical stats
Wait, directly to the stats or a modifier?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Tue 05 Dec 2023 06:28:55 No.5854715 Report

Quoted By: >>5854912

>>5854554
I'm guessing Achilles has a really stupid easy time (comparatively) getting into an aristeia owing to his GODLIKE TEMPER and very recent divine ancestry.

For a second I saw will+will bonus and thought "two points divided by three? Huh?" then I realized it was will raw first, which would have made it 13/3 for Nikon. Which actually yeah is kinda bonkers. Too bad INT tends to be the dump stat for the era so everyone has decent WILL.

>>5854607
>marital education
Poor girl doesn't even know how to get hitched. Sad. kek

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:8XM1dqAc Tue 05 Dec 2023 11:32:52 No.5854871 Report

Quoted By:

>>5850348
>Now that've all had some time to cool off and reflect from the ending
From one tragedy to another. An Aeneid quest would also be nice, though there's a relative lack of interesting characters that aren't Aeneas, Dido, and Turnus.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Tue 05 Dec 2023 13:35:11 No.5854912 Report

Quoted By:

>>5854607

Modifier, I thought about applying to the stats directly but that creates some truly insane bonii for the top tier of fighters and is probably just not fair at all.

>>5854715

>INT is the dump stat for Hellenic nobility instead of WILL

Generally true. Also by using WILL as a base, we can see how even non-martial-build characters could temporarily compete (or even win!) against fighter builds.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 07 Dec 2023 21:41:09 No.5858110 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 07 Dec 2023 21:43:36 No.5858121 Report

Quoted By: >>5858203 >>5859560

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:54:55 No.5858203 Report

Quoted By: >>5858216

>>5858121

Extremely based contribution, anon. Happy holidays to you.

Lest you all think I have been resting on my laurels, here's a sneak peak of things to come. It's gone much faster than I expected to conceive of the next step - all that reading of Statius has paid off. It's possible that I will be ready to launch before 02/19...

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 07 Dec 2023 23:09:11 No.5858216 Report

Quoted By:

>>5858203
I'm pretty sure I misinterpreted the pattern entirely so I'd say it's more cringe. But the limitations of the meter are insane to me so I worked with what I could conceptualize. And I have never before written a poem in my life. Let's just say I invented a new meter instead.

>statius
Eight or nine? centuries of authors are present in these works. There are no words other than "timeless" to describe it. Nice.

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6

Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 07 Dec 2023 23:45:48 No.5858245 Report

Quoted By: >>5858257 >>5858279 >>5858313 >>5861138

You are Hippomedon Aristomachides of Argos, and like other men descended from old King Talaus - you are a giant. Where other smaller men are fearful, you are confident. Where other smaller men retreat, you hold the line. Even at thirty summers old, you never tire of the wondering comments from lesser men...

Currently, you stand astride a chariot in full panoplia, and beside you, your trusted lieutenant Argyros. Behind you, march the Inachian Honorguard, fifty men chosen for their valor upon the field, and equipped for battle at no small expense. The sky above is endless blue – the morning is hot and pleasant both, as you travel down the dusty paths to Argos. To each side, the rolling fields and hills of Hellas are a tumult of life; the buzz of insects and cries of birds are constant.

As is your habit, you reminisce during travel. You have seen victories in the training yard, and also on the battlefield – defending the hereditary domain of Talaus, the Argolid, as they say, from threats both within and without. You have become a beloved nephew to graying King Adrastus, and well-known in the royal court of Argos – better yet, you have become renowned as of Argos’ great captains, a man who can be trusted in military affairs.

As for the prosperous city of Argos itself – it is the finest settlement in Hellas, strongly-founded, and surrounded by shining fields of wheat and rolling hills filled to the brim with rich cattle. The teeming hordes of Mycenae may claim that the capital of Hellas is richest and also the seat of High King Agamemnon besides - a superior metropolis, they boast, but they speak out of ignorance – none can match the Argives for honor and nobility, for their patriotism and loyalty. It is your duty, your honor, your privilege, and your pleasure to shelter the jewel of the Peloponnese from all those who covet it.

Like all members of the Argive royal court, you pay close attention to the moods and whims of the king, as well as rumors and interesting news. For example, last autumn, there was a strange tale from Boeotia - some atrocity had apparently come to light amongst the royal family of Thebes, and King Oedipus was said to have gouged out his own eyes, resigning his throne in shame. You then learned from your aunt, Astynome, that the kingdom of Thebes was arranged to pass between the Theban princes, Polynices and Eteocles, in an alternating basis; a bizarre and novel arrangement meant to preserve comity amongst the sons of Oedipus.

At the time, you thought it a fanciful story, and put it out of your mind.

Only some weeks ago, you learned that the sons of Oedipus are now at odds, and that Eteocles has exiled Polynices beyond the walls built by Amphion’s harp. Presumably, Eteocles has no intention of relinquishing his throne. Polynices subsequently traveled to the court of your uncle, and unexpectedly, wed your beautiful cousin, Argia. This is a shocking development - but the implications are clear...

!!dzmEeDiTjde

!!dzmEeDiTjde ID:ICAj4HXx Thu 07 Dec 2023 23:56:28 No.5858257 Report

Quoted By:

>>5858245
I was banned, but wanted to say you did a phenomenal job.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:18:31 No.5858279 Report

Quoted By:

>>5858245
Papamedon yoooo

Rater

Rater ID:ICAj4HXx Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:52:07 No.5858313 Report

Quoted By:

>>5858245
Your writing style is unique, engrossing, and while your quest is very well-researched, you yourself lack the WILL to create a unique world all your own.
9/10

Anonymous

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 08 Dec 2023 02:24:08 No.5858396 Report

Quoted By: >>5858411

I have also discovered that a potentially more period appropriate designation for Nikon's location would be Perrhaebian. Though that would put him under Guneus and not Peleus. Ultimately it wouldn't matter too much and it isn't truly a necessary distinction. The region itself is still in Thessaly. And it wouldn't have changed any of the actions taken to get to Mycenae.

May even be able to narrow it down to one of the more specific towns. Close to Olympus is Pythium (Πύθιον) on the more northerly end and Gonnos (Γόννος) on the southerly side. Then there's Dodona (not the one in Epirus) and Olooson further from the mountain to the west-southwest. Nira is probably going through one of those places on the way to get her foot fixed right now even. Guneus himself is purportedly from Phalanna which is also in that ballpark.

I included the Greek name for some of the places because searching for just the name might throw you at bacteria and tapeworms or something. Or just to the wrong place. Depending on where you're searching.

We're gonna keep calling it Thessaly though, because there is only so much geography autism anyone can take before they start to lose meaning. It's a lesser detail. Hippomedon himself isn't actually from there anyway (he's a genuine Argive) so Nikon and Nira specifically aren't Perrhaebians in the first place. But I found it interesting so I thought I'd share with the class.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 08 Dec 2023 02:44:50 No.5858411 Report

Quoted By: >>5858419

>>5858396

For everyone’s sanity, I sort of hand waved the Thessalus timeline and am pretending that the region place names have stayed the same . Also, I have been mostly ignoring the Hellenic ethnic group designations because to be totally frank, it seems to be a confused mess in the 5th century BC literature (besides the Aeolian/Dorian divide).

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 08 Dec 2023 03:00:17 No.5858419 Report

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>>5858411
Probably for the best. Most of them are irrelevant details anyway. All that matters is who declared for which side at the end of the day. I don't remember anything from the catalogue of ships really mattering for the overarching story.

And when it comes to Pelasgians that seems to get thrown around literally everywhere. Damn linguistic drift.

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Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 08 Dec 2023 10:06:55 No.5858734 Report

Quoted By: >>5858813

Hey Lesches, could you explain how Hector is also a Student of Chiron?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 08 Dec 2023 12:20:06 No.5858813 Report

Quoted By: >>5858851

>>5858734

This may be wildly unreasonable, but my thinking is that Chiron has lived until just recently (because Achilles clearly trained with him <5 years ago and is only 16 currently). Chiron is obviously a super-famous trainer of heroes and I don't think its unreasonable to believe that the Trojans would have heard of him (especially given that Heracles sacked Ilion and Heracles was trained by Chiron as well).

Priam, as a smart king and having been present when Ilion was sacked, would probably want to have a defender hero to prevent another sacking. How lucky he is when Hector develops into an ultraCHAD! Priam would obviously send his best son for Chiron's training in Hellas to better protect Ilion. In my headcanon, Hector was trained by Chiron sometime after Ajax, and a few years after the events of the Thebaid/Seven Against Thebes.

Also, IIRC, there's a few lines in the Iliad where Achilles expresses some doubts about whether he can actually take Hector down - he might only think this way if he has learned through the course of the war that Hector is also a student of Chiron.

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Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 08 Dec 2023 13:22:57 No.5858851 Report

Quoted By: >>5858870

>>5858813
I would have to question the wisdom of sending the heir to the throne to a foreign land to Mount Pelion in Thessaly where Chiron lived, while Peleus the dangerous power hungry bastard rules. Though I have no idea how Chiron chose his students in the first place.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 08 Dec 2023 13:41:17 No.5858870 Report

Quoted By: >>5859063

>>5858851

A reasonable counterpoint but generally speaking, I don’t see think anyone in Hellas is dumb enough to fuck with Chiron or his students, I am imagining that the gods would blast/curse hostile interlopers on his mountain.

Anyways, Priam would have sent Hector in secret, of course. To your point about heirs - valid, but Priam has heirs aplenty.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 08 Dec 2023 19:13:28 No.5859063 Report

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>>5858870
>I don’t see think anyone in Hellas is dumb enough to fuck with Chiron or his students
Agamemnon is right there. And I'd also wager Locrian Ajax might. He was dumb enough to directly call out the gods after barely escaping with his life. In one retelling of his tale at least.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 09 Dec 2023 08:42:00 No.5859560 Report

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>>5858121
I kept thinking about this since I posted it and wondering why it felt so wrong. So I rechecked and realized a very silly mistake. I was using entire words instead of syllables like you're supposed to. I feel retarded.

So I decided to provide a better example
>Nik - and - | - ros a - | rose fame | in th - | - >ought qua - rrel | - ing dan -
>- gers he | cou - ld not | de - feat | by the | might of his | arms a -
>- lone ...
reading thus "Nikandros arose, fame in thought, quarreling dangers he could not defeat by the might of his arms alone,". The "i" in Nikandros is a hard i like in "Nike" as it is the namesake.

And to give the rules I'm working with in case anyone is wondering or wants to try their hand at it
>L ZZ | L ZZ | L ZZ | L ZZ | L S S | L L

>L = long
>S = short
>ZZ = one long OR two short
>long = hard vowel, diphthong (mouth moves mid-syllable), soft vowel followed by two consonants (including different words, exceptions below)
>[exceptions being combinations of consonants with the letters R or L allowing syllables to change length, example given being patrem which can be separated as pa-trem for soft or pat-rem for hard]
>{H is ignored for the double consonant rule, QU is counted as a single consonant as well? old rules are weird. Y is treated the same as in English, which is to say it is sometimes a vowel and sometimes a consonant}
>The final foot can be a trochee but that seems to be a Latin thing more than a Greek thing despite the word coming from Greek? Either way a trochee is just replacing the last syllable with a short instead of another long
There's also a bit about elisions but that's above my pay grade. I am not clever enough to know how all the things work all at once. But apparently soft vowels are "elided" - or more plainly treated as if they don't exist if they end a word to reduce the number of syllables further to fit the meter better in Greek tradition. They get replaced with an apostrophe. You can't do it with hard vowels in Greek. But you can in Latin, apparently, if it ends with any vowel or the letter M. When you elide a vowel like this it's just not counted as a syllable so you can use another and still fit in the meter. I don't quite get it. So I ignore it. It does happen in the Iliad though, I'm told. I'm ALSO not using the caesura properly, because fuck trying to make every set break right in the middle of the third foot almost every time. Too precise for my liking. I'm doing my best dammit.

However I would consider slurred speech to drop letters and remove syllables as valid, as some people speak like that. E.G. "Bat-'ling" instead of "bat-tl-ing". That's just me though.

These rules hurt my head. Though I must admit when I fuck up really bad. So rant over. Apologies for the wall of autism.

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Anonymous ID:eXi9QxwL Sun 10 Dec 2023 17:01:12 No.5861138 Report

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>>5858245
>He is actually gonna rebuild us from the ground up.
Welp at least it MIGHT break the cursed dice this quest is infamous for.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 14 Dec 2023 12:46:12 No.5865098 Report

Quoted By: >>5865280

I was debating complaining more in a new thread but I figure getting it all out of the way in here is probably for the best to keep the negativity contained. I've been stewing over this for a while now and I'll be as polite and civil as I can be.

>>5845863
>The fourth and largest - failure to utilize Paris. Why didn’t you consider that Paris himself could be induced to pacify Hector?
This is not okay. Genuinely. You cannot lambast us or place the blame on us when YOU yourself specifically took that option out of the prompts so we could "figure it out ourselves" for something probably as sanctimonious as the arguments big game companies make for putting very arbitrary, time wasting or overly-difficult challenges into a game solely to entice players to pay to get around them. I will absolutely own that we made bad decisions. Or erroneous conclusions. But THAT bullshit is not solely on us. Not everyone would have flooded the option had you prompted it, for various reasons. It wasn't an "I win" button we'd all have pushed. But even if it was, it was your choice not to include it. If it had been in the prompt it would have had more traction out of the gate and might have pulled through with more people thinking it was viable to begin with. So please for the love of fucking god don't do that shit again. It is very much infuriating. Moreso than even a stupid run of god-awful luck is. Don't insult us for that which you were complicit in. That being said though there's like a 5% chance of rolling a 1 on any given d20 so if you could not just insta-fail us every time that would also be nice. At least give us a chance to not just get bad-lucked out of/into things. I just realized if Hypnos didn't just insta-sleep us we may have been able to get into the Palace with everyone asleep and bypass the need to roll encounter. So it's a cascading failure example. Which is just like, dude. And yes, yes, complaining about dice again, I know, sorry but this one is something everyone acknowledges and hates here on /qst/ at least, not bad luck but mechanical implications. Why was that an travel roll when it was an opposed check to the hunting party, anyway? I get that it was a "travel" roll but it presented more as a race than anything. And on a 2d20 the chance of rolling a 1 goes up to I think somewhere around 8%? Honestly, I just hate the fucking gods at this point. I hope we never meet grandpa because he's probably gonna be a total douche.

P.S. I am still trying to rework that earlier shitty poem attempt and make it actually be correct. But for now, break time is over. And again, sorry for being so negative in this thread all the time.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 14 Dec 2023 17:40:15 No.5865280 Report

Quoted By: >>5865361 >>5871023 >>5871024

>>5865098

Anon, thank you for your feedback.

>You cannot lambast us

Honestly, I don't believe I have done so.

>or place the blame on us when YOU yourself specifically took that option out of the prompts so we could "figure it out ourselves"

I appreciate that this was a controversial decision but only somewhat regret that I didn't list the "use Paris" option directly. But the poor travel/racing rolls meant that Nikon and the boys did not have even a spare minute to strategize about how they would infiltrate the palace; you guys had to charge into the palace ASAP. From a QM perspective, I decided to "penalize" Nikandros by withholding the objectively superior voting option from the Hector encounter given the poor travel rolls and being very short on time. Unfortunately, players almost completely failed to pick up on the hints I made in every update after Paris' abduction (IIRC) about Paris' golden tongue, poor willpower and general idiocy, and even when I extended votes multiple times, players did not effectively band together or attempt to negotiate with one another in a meaningful fashion to sway one another's votes. I did also notice that several of the more-perceptive players refused to vote at all, which no doubt contributed to Nik's poor decisionmaking.

It was pure bad luck that Hector appeared, of course, but the encounter table was obviously weighted towards "badness" given that you guys were in the Royal Palace of Ilion with Paris as a hostage. The encounter tables would have been decidedly neutral if you guys had instead traveled to the Docks, not the Palace (and therefore rolling a 3 on the pre-dawn Docks encounter table would have "bad" but not "catastrophic" like meeting with a godlike Hector, armed with training spears).

From a meta-perspective, I did repeatedly warn players that they were in extreme danger and taking very serious risks, but unfortunately, players did not heed my warnings or apparently assumed that I would save Nikandros by breaking the logic of the quest.

>Don't insult us for that which you were complicit in

Again, I don't think I have insulted anyone. As a QM, I chose to enforce the logical consequences of poor player decision-making and bad rolls (with catastrophic results), rather than break the integrity of the quest. I did provide players with a "survive at significant cost" option through Pollux's intercession, and players failed to summon the will to continue and sleep in the bed they made, which was very sad for me to see.

From that perspective, yes - I am complicit in Nikandros' death.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 14 Dec 2023 19:28:49 No.5865361 Report

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>>5865280
>Honestly, I don't believe I have done so.
There were a couple of times outside of story posts where it seemed like the phrasing you were using was partially absolving yourself and partially foisting blame onto us. Saying that it's pretty much our fault for just being dumb. Though in retrospect it very much could have been you being rightfully defensive in the wake of monumental criticism or me being bad at reading into things from brain rot.

>hints, anons not banding together
Yeah, that's on us. Anons tend to have the social nuance of a copper-coated brick and an awareness to match. We are notorious for being unable to pick up on things, and those that do tend to be unable to make others aware of it. That's where my "various reasons" spiel comes into play. Even if you present it as a real option you can write it in such a way that casts doubt on its validity, but at least players would see that it's there. That's why the prompt being retracted feels a lot more like penalizing us specifically and not Nikandros. Could we have handled it better? Absolutely. Unfortunately as is human nature, we become inversely intelligent the more of us are in a group!

>didn't vote
Yeah I was one of them. I felt bad about it after. I've been kicking myself. Though I'm sure it saved me from giving myself a stroke or something seeing as how the cards fell. I accept responsibility for that one for sure.

>players did not heed my warnings
I don't think that's entirely fair. I don't think there was any point that people were saying anything to indicate that you had no balls or that they weren't taking it seriously. Excepting maybe one or two but I can't tell if they were just very angry and lashing out or like, actually dumb.

And maybe "insult" was too strong a word. I've been stressed lately if you couldn't tell lel. But people really, really like Teukie and your characterization of him. So it's your fault for making him so likeable. CLEARLY this was a letter agency gay-op style gaslighting mission. Being more serious though, only a few people gave up on that vote rather than try to save a friend. Kind of loaded option there. Like going back to save Iudas when the river bitch was being stanky. It's hard to give up on character bonds, like the borderline paternal figure in Iudas or Agyros, if he died there'd be riots or the sworn friendship between Teukros and Nikon.

Is some of that modern sentiment? Probably. But even way back in the day people would have felt mostly the same, even if they'd be a little more selfish about it. Keep in mind for all the talk about "unenlightened times" the human psyche has remained surprisingly cohesive if our sense of humor is any indication. The shitposting on the walls in Latin from ages past and the nonsensical vandalizing of hard to reach locations from Vikings attests to it. And if that never changed I'm willing to bet our general zeitgeist outside of long-standing traditional norms was also largely the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Sat 16 Dec 2023 01:38:34 No.5866456 Report

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Anonymous ID:DxGnbTBs Sat 16 Dec 2023 18:04:18 No.5866951 Report

Quoted By: >>5871023 >>5871180

It has been about 2 weeks since I gave this thread any attention, I genuinely thought EVERYONE was completely done. Imagine my surprise when I saw that there was active posting.
>>5851551
Would 'Mangled' Nikon take to wearing a bronze mask or a marble mask he carved himself to to hide the ruined portion of his face á la Phantom of the Opera?
It wouldn't help with the Charisma loss, but it would change the flavor text of social interactions from "GOOD ZEUS what happened to your FACE??" to "Tell me about yourself Nikandros, why do you wear the mask?"

>>5853749
Well, hoh-lee shit. So we have a chance to earn a second go as Nik? Even if it is not so, I'll be there. For what it's worth, I'll be happy to read more of your writing.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 21 Dec 2023 11:39:35 No.5871023 Report

Quoted By: >>5871024 >>5871035 >>5871180

>>5865280
You know, you said you didn't explain that Pollux didn't have Luwian fluency because no one even mentioned it, but when I directly asked you to clarify on one of the write-ins being the good option you pointedly ignored it. Curious. I'm just busting your balls don't worry, I'm not trying to rake your over the coals or start something I'm actually stopping in to ask you to do something for me since I don't want to start my own thread to check and potentially knock another thread off the board

Could you use your formatting powers and copy paste the "rolled 2d1+2" thing from here, then bold it? I'm pretty sure 4chanX has scripts that let you see when formatting is used but I just wanted to check how close the Roll font is to bold font in a side by side comparison. Someone made an offhand comment about formatting to fudge rolls but I'm pretty sure the fonts are slightly different in size.

Unless someone here actually just knows off the top of their head, which would remove the entire need for this and make me feel extra stupid.

>>5866951
I'd be down for a mask. Especially something stylish carved by Nikon. Learning how to work it properly to put little designs on it. Or just the plain bronze if it added 1 to armor. I'll suck dick for any advantage at this point. Most helmets of the time didn't actually cover the face IIRC. More armored caps than real helmets.

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 21 Dec 2023 11:40:42 No.5871024 Report

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Rolled 1, 1 + 2 = 4 (2d1 + 2)

>>5871023
>>5865280
I'm genuinely a retard, see? Trying this again.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 21 Dec 2023 12:00:47 No.5871035 Report

Quoted By: >>5871036

>>5871023

[bold] Rolled 1, 1 + 2 = 4 (2d1 + 2)[/bold]

Like this?

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 21 Dec 2023 12:02:06 No.5871036 Report

Quoted By: >>5871037 >>5871045

>>5871035

Hmm strange

Rolled 1, 1 + 2 = 4 (2d1 + 2)

[bold]test[/bold]

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 21 Dec 2023 12:03:07 No.5871037 Report

Quoted By: >>5871045 >>5871084

>>5871036

Well, that’s alarming - looks pretty indistinguishable from a real roll

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 21 Dec 2023 12:08:51 No.5871045 Report

Quoted By: >>5871062

>>5871036
That's the one. Many thanks.

>>5871037
I think it's either a very slight gradient difference on the white or literally one pixel difference. Or it's the same. That is actually kind of wild. Well that's a can of worms.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Thu 21 Dec 2023 12:34:36 No.5871062 Report

Quoted By: >>5871071

>>5871045

Yeah, I think you can see a tiny space where the "bold" character is, but hard to catch, certainly.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 21 Dec 2023 12:43:33 No.5871071 Report

Quoted By: >>5871090

>>5871062
>suddenly all the QMs start having eternal hot streaks
Let's just pretend this never happened and not tell anyone. On the other hand I can see how that might be useful if a QM were to use their meatspace dice instead and wanted to post it without needing pics or din't. Just a bit of tomfoolery.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:/vNw3XQy Thu 21 Dec 2023 13:09:24 No.5871084 Report

Quoted By: >>5871262

>>5871037
It's the same.
QMs can just cheat if they like.
It's why I prefer set DCs.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:E0r5bkk0 Thu 21 Dec 2023 13:21:02 No.5871090 Report

Quoted By: >>5871262

>>5871071
>>5871071

Fortunately, I don’t need to cheat since Tyche favors me IRL and wants the bloodline of Hippomedon to suffer

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:sdXISYUu Thu 21 Dec 2023 17:07:07 No.5871180 Report

Quoted By: >>5871262 >>5871751

>>5871023
>>5866951
Mangled mask would indeed be a good idea to continue the quest. The malus on social stuff should be huge though and Nikandros should also have a stutter. PTSD against Hector would also be great.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 21 Dec 2023 19:36:38 No.5871262 Report

Quoted By: >>5871751

>>5871084
Well that sucks.

>>5871090
>"At some point I stopped and asked myself "What did that guy do to make them niggas (gods) so mad"?"

>>5871180
I don't know about the stutter, that'd indicate brain damage and thus INT loss. Which would be way too much of a bummer. But depending on how severe and where the damage is primarily can definitely lead to various levels of slurring speech or difficulty speaking. I knew a guy who had about an inch of his lip on the side torn off by a couple of snapped wires trailing along his face. He still can't make all the letter sounds properly. Losing cheek can make certain sounds whistle or wheeze instead of come out correctly, but the primary concern when losing cheek and thus the ability to completely close your mouth is chronic dryness which can lead to receding gums, cracked tongue, and tooth decay. Your mouth absolutely needs to stay wet, people.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ahAtkbuw Fri 22 Dec 2023 04:25:08 No.5871751 Report

Quoted By: >>5871766

>>5871180
>>5871262

These are good ideas and I will incorporate them.

Suffice it to say that MC performance in Seven Against Thebes Quest may have significant impacts on TWQ, assuming that the players can dig themselves out of a very significant hole.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:JnOWCNZ8 Fri 22 Dec 2023 04:43:49 No.5871766 Report

Quoted By: >>5871801 >>5872114

>>5871751
Will we atleast get to see kid Nira?

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 22 Dec 2023 05:30:43 No.5871801 Report

Quoted By: >>5872114

>>5871766
Little Nira calling father "Papamedon" or we riot. I had this crazy idea that the future run is literally Hippomedon speaking with Nikon at the brink of death, recounting his own ill-fated war. And even if it isn't, at least we can see why the rivers are being such gigantic dickwaffles.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:E0r5bkk0 Fri 22 Dec 2023 17:59:56 No.5872114 Report

Quoted By: >>5872150

>>5871766

It’s a certainty, how could I resist?

>>5871801

Anon, if you keep feeding me such juicy plot beats I’m going to force you to vote in SATQ at gunpoint

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Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Fri 22 Dec 2023 19:29:11 No.5872150 Report

Quoted By:

>>5872114
>Anon, if you keep feeding me such juicy plot beats I’m going to force you to vote in SATQ at gunpoint
>lesches when beseeching zeus to come and be my stepfather for two hours to teach me a lesson isn't working
It was my one good idea for the year.

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:ahAtkbuw Sun 24 Dec 2023 22:24:59 No.5873839 Report

Quoted By: >>5873995 >>5875935

To anyone still monitoring the thread - Merry Christmas! Be kind to your family, friends and neighbors! Be well in the year to come!

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Mon 25 Dec 2023 04:21:13 No.5873995 Report

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>>5873839
Merry Christmas man. I'll be sure to make some cheesy olives in the thread's honor.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:gv3vwIFY Thu 28 Dec 2023 03:18:04 No.5875935 Report

Quoted By: >>5875937 >>5875968 >>5876004 >>5876050

>>5873839
Merry Christmas.

Dumb cunt here.

My biggest gripe is that we were highly intelligent. And as a qm (I'm more used to being a DM) you should of informed us of key things we 1. Either forgot 2. Didn't know but nik WOULD OF KNOWN

Example 1: the travel roll was contested. They had a -7. That means they would of had a negative on their first roll. Even though we rolled low we beat it. Same with the second. We should of NOT been put to sleep and lost Paris and had to find him.

2. WE KNEW POLLUX didn't speak ludwin. Only ODESSYUS and Teukros knew P bro said the wrong shit to the dock master. Pollux didn't say shit. And ODESSYUS only knew it from body language. With our intelligence you as a QM should of informed us of A. Only P And T speak ludwin. B. Pollux did not seem to catch that P said the wrong thing and heavily imply that he probably didn't speak it.

3. You should of informed us that surrendering under the protection of the delegation and the fact that nobles are almost ALWAYS ransomed. That we would of survived with probably a massive hit to kleos.

4. With our intelligence as a dm I would of flat out pointed out that option x is near 100% chance of instant death. Choose again anons.

5. With our intelligence point out the post that you saw and read. And then said there's "1 good idea that nobody has supported and/or talked about."

6. The way we were holding Paris. There's no way Hector would of engaged us in combat with even a hint of danger towards Paris. He would of called for the guards leaned against the wall. Said some smart ass thing like "Paris so much as sneezes I'll personally escort you to the river Styx." And then waited for all the guards to show up then be like. "Okay you dumb cunts ( see what I did there? K e k) you lost now give me my brother and get back on your fucking boat." Being banished from Troy would of been a good punishment maybe they even lash us or some shit too.

7. Your fucking mechanics sucked perfectbuildfag wasn't wrong about that. (I know you inherited it from homer). The training spear is for ya know not killing people in combat. It's retarded that it can instant kill. It should do the dungeons and dragon shit of NONLETHAL DAMAGE. Oh he did 14 NONLETHAL DAMAGE. We just wake up after being knocked the fuck out.

8. You seem to have forgotten that there was near 250 posts debating the Hector shit. A lot of stuff got jumbled multiple times. You should of pointed out that xyz ideas were refuted by ABC anons (insert link to their post)

I heavily suggest looking at humanity fuck yeah, Spiderman quest, alterac resurgence, rwby vac quest. In rwby we died by like post 7. We retconned it and learned our fucking lesson. Alterac we are fel tainted by a 1/4000 roll or whatever. Did the qm just kill us? No he gave us a new problem to deal with was there pitching and moaning? Yes is it now a key part of the story and a thing we are overcoming? 110%. I don't think anyone is upset with how it played out.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:O8ZLQFQt Thu 28 Dec 2023 03:20:55 No.5875937 Report

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>>5875935
Not killing people in training* ( spear bit)
Otherwise it's just a regular spear not a training spear (usually was just a staff)

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Lesches !!oJEPr0mjkw6 ID:UREaqKJn Thu 28 Dec 2023 04:08:39 No.5875968 Report

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>>5875935

Thanks for your feedback anon, I’ll post a detailed reply tomorrow.

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:ICAj4HXx Thu 28 Dec 2023 04:38:13 No.5876004 Report

Quoted By: >>5876050

>>5875935
1. QM Fiat
2. Discretion
3. Use your brain
4. Use your brain
5. Use your brain
6. Brother's care for their brothers
7. People die from training weapons
8. Use your brain

tl;dr Cry moar

Anonymous

Anonymous ID:afoGvVo8 Thu 28 Dec 2023 05:59:28 No.5876050 Report

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>>5875935
>I'm more used to being a DM
I'm going to be perfectly honest, between the name and frequent questionable spellings I didn't expect that.

>>5876004
>using multiple bullet points instead of 3-5 to save a couple lines
Very inefficient.

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