>>55638099Guts is still unreliable, the fact that you have to have Swellow permanently statused in order for it to be stronger than Kecleon just proves my point, with it's stronger base attacking stats and significantly better movepool, Kecleon objectively hits harder. Being stronger in niche scenarios is irrelevant when Kecleon can more easily output similar power.
>not remembering the TM your fucking father gives youI didn't forget anything? Kecleon gets facade too, gets stab on it too, and has the higher attacking stat, there's no reason to mention it. It's a fucking normal type move that hits harder in niche scenarios. If you wanna count that then I could easily argue that Kecleon hits harder since it'll be doing double damage way more often through the coverage provided by its much better movepool, I mean, fuck, I could argue that a smart player could manage to strategically type change to get stab on that coverage, but I figured we were being realistic and arguing who can dish out the most damage consistently. And when Kecleon has all the same meaningfully good moves that swellow gets, and much more, AND has the higher attacking stats, then that's fucking Kecleon retard.
