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I kinda think Smogon and competitive play is dead

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 00:40:26 No.20893491 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>20893551 >>20893552 >>20893861 >>20894201 >>20894259 >>20894345 >>20894948 >>20895030 >>20895052

>Was once top 20 in the UU ranks during Gen 4 and 5
>Since then, Gen 6 has become so immense and now Gen 5 UU is now Gen 6 NU
>Content content content
>Ruby Sapphire re-do,re-do,re-do
>Megas, Megas and more Megas
>Smogon is in disarray
>Good Poketbers like E-lo and NbZed don't even post battles anymore

>This guy is still trying. Why do I even subscribe to him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5bWhyTo2Ck

Yup. I think my competitive days are over and will only play the remakes story

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 00:44:38 No.20893549 Report

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So how is it dead?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 00:44:45 No.20893551 Report

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>>20893491
>git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 00:44:51 No.20893552 Report

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>>20893491
Epic blog post. Followed. ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 00:45:02 No.20893556 Report

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>Old man can't keep up with meta.
Just play OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 00:46:50 No.20893583 Report

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>>20893556
Actually just play ubers minus xerneas that shit looks pretty much the same since gen 3/4

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 00:51:13 No.20893628 Report

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I actually agree. Shit's too messy. Fuck megas as the answer to eviolite. Fuck a metagame where luck still rules.

If I want to play pokemon these days, I go outside and learn how to identify flora/fauna. I train cats and breed bugs. If I really need that Gamefreak image in my life, I play Smash Bros and wreck tech with jiggly.

I'm doing exactly what I did when I skipped Gen III (I did emulate) in favor of diving headfirst into Gen IV--holding out for a gen that advances the metagame by leaps and bounds, opening up many 'mons viability in a non-trivial manner. The stat boosts for some weren't enough. Hard-to-get new abilities aren't enough. The advancements in the ease of breeding and training competitive mons, I can stand by.

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Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 01:05:59 No.20893861 Report

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>>20893491
What will happen to Smogon now that the competitive game is "completely dead"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 01:29:29 No.20894201 Report

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>>20893491
Whats a e-lo and Nbzed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 01:31:22 No.20894227 Report

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I've been done for awhile. It's not fun anymore with the ridiculous power creep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 01:32:27 No.20894241 Report

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>Was once top 20 in the UU ranks during Gen 4 and 5
[citation needed]

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 01:33:24 No.20894259 Report

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>>20893491
Reblogging as we speak!! ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 01:40:55 No.20894345 Report

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>>20893491
Agreed, although I blame a large amount of the problem on Team Preview. There is literally 0 reason to ever run a non-OU pokemon in OU, as you cannot ever take your opponent by surprise. You cannot trick your opponent into attacking you a SE move, they know exactly who you are going to switch to.

There is no strategy anymore - it all comes down to a mindgame that pretty much sets the battle before it even starts.

Gen 4 meta was so much more fun, always trying out new tricks, teams, and counters, but now it's just pretty much picking the better lead + having better predicts. That's it. Nothing more to it. A lot like tic-tac-toe now.

I miss the days of running some overlooked mon on my team that covered some popular mon super well and had a trick or two. Battles were fun and unpredictable.

Fuck, team preview is literally the worst thing to happen to pokemon over it's entire life. Fucking hate it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 01:49:48 No.20894500 Report

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>>20894345
>There is literally 0 reason to ever run a non-OU pokemon in OU
Stopped reading there. This is what tryhard smogonfags actually believe while being stuck in limbo 1400.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 01:56:38 No.20894598 Report

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>>20894500
If a pokemon has a niche in OU, it will be OU before too long. If it doesn't, then why are you running it?

Also, out of curiosity, what non-OU pokes do you run in your main? Or any team >1500, really, other than obviously good UU/BL pokes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 01:58:07 No.20894631 Report

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>>20894598
>what non-OU pokes do you run in your main? Or any team >1500, really, other than obviously good UU/BL pokes?
Moving the goalposts. You said non-OU. UU is not OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 02:02:21 No.20894676 Report

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>>20894631
Alright, then ignore that part and you could still answer. Non OU pokes you use in >1500 teams? I run a Venomoth, but that's just 'cause for fun, and Gardevoir stomps with a Quiver Dance behind her.

>inb4 Whimiscott/Sableye/Ditto

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 02:08:46 No.20894754 Report

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>>20894598
Not him but I don't think I have a single team with only OU pokes.
Ok I have one with Slowbro and 5 OU, I guess that one doesn't count, but when shit like Hippowdon is UU you know being in a lower tier doesn't make them less viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 02:14:31 No.20894824 Report

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>>20894754
Ah, fair enough. There are some good non-OU pokes. But that really wasn't my point, my point is that Team Preview ruined many possible team/teammate options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 02:24:02 No.20894948 Report

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>>20893491
Who's that tryhard in the video?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 02:27:35 No.20894991 Report

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>>20894676
Gothitelle, Hippowdon, Amoongus, Alomomola, Raikou, Quagsire, Mew, Politoed, Ditto.. You seriously can't be this retarded. Just because it isn't in OU doesn't mean that it isn't viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 02:31:06 No.20895030 Report

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>>20893491
I said the same thing when gen 5 came
git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 02:33:07 No.20895052 Report

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>>20893491
>>Gen 5 UU is now Gen 6 NU
Only three BW UU mons are in XY NU - Dusclops (who wasn't exactly good in gen 5 either), Mismagius and Xatu. On the other hand, 6 BW UU mons are currently OU.
Of course there are bits of power creep and viability changes through megas, Knock off and fairies, but it's not even close to that.

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Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 02:34:54 No.20895069 Report

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>>20894948
your dad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 03:52:51 No.20896039 Report

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>>20894598
>If a pokemon has a niche in OU, it will be OU before too long

I don't think you understand the concept of niches and usage-based tiers

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Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 03:54:29 No.20896068 Report

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>>20895052
>Mismagius isn't Ghost/Fairy
>GF could have saved it

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Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 04:00:28 No.20896134 Report

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>>20896068
>Ghost Fairy Misdreavus in LC

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 04:01:31 No.20896153 Report

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>>20894598
To name a few Amoongus with Slowbro Weavile (kind of not OU), Chesnaught, Espeon which I run in Ubers too, Mienshao, Blissey, and Kingra of those all of them with well outside of their tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 04:06:11 No.20896212 Report

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>>20894991
Does anyone actually go off tiers instead of viability rankings anymore? All of those pokemon are very good in OU (Mew is incredibly good, Stall is only viable thanks to regen core). I don't think anyone sees a team with Hippow/Alomola/Amoongus/Mew/Quagsire/Heatran and thinks, "how refreshing! finally an original team".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 04:07:49 No.20896234 Report

Quoted By: >>20896309

>>20894824
>Team preview ruined many teammate options
I'm hard pressed to think of a single poke not named Ambipom that was really effected with the loss of team preview. Zoroark would have been cool but other than that nothing has really been affected and I prefer the mind game of which poke are they going to lead with

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 04:11:55 No.20896288 Report

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>>20896134
Isn't it already banned anyways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 04:13:15 No.20896309 Report

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>>20896234
>Zoroark would have been cool

If by cool you mean "annoying as shit" then I agree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 04:17:05 No.20896361 Report

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>>20894345
I know on PO last gen you were able to play the higher tiers with a no-preview version, Shit was massively different. Like, so different one person was able to get to #10 on the no-preview ubers ladder with a mono Ground team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Sep 2014 07:05:22 No.20897752 Report

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I don't know anymore. The game just doesn't have the same excitement it used to. There's just too much shit running around that's plain better than others. Sure, you can play a lower tier, but then it's the same set run on a worse Pokemon. Every time I battle it's either a stomp or "Oh, I/he doesn't have an answer to this". Fighting the same teams over and over makes me feel like I lose every game regardless of the outcome of the battle. It's just a chore.

Monotype is still kinda fun, but a good portion of the types are just plain garbage, like Grass and Rock.

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