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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:10:02 No.22231502 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22231504 >>22231514 >>22231544 >>22231644 >>22232800 >>22233168 >>22233558 >>22233778 >>22234158 >>22237553 >>22243460 >>22243865 >>22243902 >>22243974 >>22250919 >>22252253

Where were you when based Serperior became top tier OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:10:36 No.22231504 Report

Quoted By: >>22231517

>>22231502
It's not gonna be OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:11:49 No.22231511 Report

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>leaf storm
>dragon pulse
>hidden power

Wow sure is some great coverage

I wish ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:12:44 No.22231514 Report

Quoted By: >>22232813 >>22234432 >>22243691

>>22231502
Why do you people even fantasize about this? Not everything needs to be OU. The whole point of the tiers is to make your favorite Pokemon useable somewhere. If you like a lot lot of shit-tier PU Pokemon, go play PU. It's a lot of fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:13:09 No.22231517 Report

Quoted By: >>22231528 >>22231531 >>22232816 >>22233594 >>22233822 >>22233908

>>22231504
Yes it's going to be when it practically oneshots the entire metagame with Leaf Storm, stay in denial anti-serperiorfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:17:10 No.22231528 Report

Quoted By: >>22231635 >>22233684 >>22234452

>>22231517
>Gunk Shot Greninja
>Talonflame
>Heatran
>Skarmory
>Specs Weedle
>Ferrothorn
>Salamence
>Magnezone
>Scizor

Nice anti-meta you got there.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:17:51 No.22231531 Report

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>>22231517
>mediocre stats
>shit coverage
>mono grass typing

Yeah, okay m8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:20:38 No.22231544 Report

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>>22231502
Tripping hard, I would assume.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:23:59 No.22231577 Report

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Optimistically it will be UU, realistically it will be stuck in RU with Malamar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:27:31 No.22231602 Report

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It's shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:34:32 No.22231635 Report

Quoted By: >>22231651 >>22232011 >>22247906 >>22252381

>>22231528
>Greninja
Ok
Talonflame
Ok
Heatran
Earthquake is a possible 2hko without any investment
Weedle
HP fire :^)
>Ferrothorn
HP fire
>Salamence
Dragon Pulse
>Magnezone
HP fire
>Scizor
HP fire

Nice anti-anti-meta you got there

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:36:30 No.22231644 Report

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>>22231502
Contrary Serperior can be used in PO right? Has anyone tried it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:37:43 No.22231651 Report

Quoted By: >>22231665

>>22231635
>oneshots the entire metagame with Leaf Storm
It's a list of meta-centric things that aren't oneshot by Leaf Storm. Don't over-analyze it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:41:30 No.22231665 Report

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>>22231651
Not him, but if that's what he meant, then that list means nothing.

The problem is, while yes Leaf Storm wont OHKO it, they will be KOed by the next move that Serperior uses. Mind you Serperior outspeeds any non-scarfed variant, bar Greninja, so it's important.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:42:17 No.22231671 Report

Quoted By: >>22232087

>252+ SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 139-164 (48.6 - 57.3%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO

This is Greninja with poison type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:42:20 No.22231672 Report

Quoted By: >>22231702

>No one has ever played Randoms itt
>Comparing non-STAB slow +1 offense +1 contrary mon to STAB decent speed +2 offense contrary
captcha: spurm

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:49:18 No.22231702 Report

Quoted By: >>22231726 >>22231739 >>22234035

>>22231672
>implying randoms mean anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:52:04 No.22231726 Report

Quoted By: >>22233649

>>22231702
It means I can get a 1700+ score without knowing shit about team building.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:53:07 No.22231739 Report

Quoted By: >>22231752

>>22231702
>Not knowing Contrary Serperior is available
>Not knowing you can easily sweep with that motherfucker

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 12:55:47 No.22231752 Report

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>>22231739
Wow you can sweep against shit teams with Serperior, which is inevitable considering the nature of randoms.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 13:01:36 No.22231777 Report

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>serperior
>good

The leaf storm thing is cool but it literally has no movepool. Maybe UU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 13:21:38 No.22231862 Report

Quoted By: >>22231873 >>22231886 >>22231918 >>22237052 >>22249525 >>22252402 >>22252444

Why is this even being discussed on /vp/? These are the same idiots who swore up and down that Mega Gallade would be UU because of its ability. These are the same morons that bitched and whined about Megagross after its stats were released because they just KNEW it was going to be garbage in the meta.

I really only come here for the giveaways and Pokegirl threads. I don't see any reason to take /vp/'s competitive advice seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 13:25:44 No.22231873 Report

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>>22231862
>Megagross after its stats were released because they just KNEW it was going to be garbage in the meta
I remember that
>shit coverage
>still too slow
>not powerful enough
>no boosting moves
>lol shit type
>implying tough claws is good

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 13:27:55 No.22231886 Report

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>>22231862
>I really only come here for the giveaways and Pokegirl threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 13:33:00 No.22231918 Report

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>>22231862
To be fair, even the Smogon twitter was being a smartass about how shitty Mega Gallade was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 13:47:23 No.22231983 Report

Quoted By: >>22237486

You mean UU at best?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 13:52:15 No.22232011 Report

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>>22231635
Serperior does not learn Earthquake, just a heads up

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 14:08:46 No.22232087 Report

Quoted By: >>22252393

>>22231671

Anonymous
12/19/14(Fri)22:42:17 No.22231671
>252+ SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 139-164 (48.6 - 57.3%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO
>chance to 2HKO

More like guaranteed seeing as the second hit would be twice as strong

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 15:55:35 No.22232787 Report

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It'll be BL2 imo. I don't see it sticking around in NU at all and it'll have a decent chance of being banned from RU. I don't know whether it has what it takes to move up to UU. The potential is there I guess: fast, decent bulk, usable special movepool even if very limiting, Glare, Leech Seed, Knock Off, Taunt, dual screens, Dragon Tail. Not much, but enough to work with. It can screw over switch-ins with Glare/Knock Off, annoy with SubSeed, late-game sweeps/wallbreaking with Leaf Storm/Dragon Pulse/HP Fire, Taunt walls to stop healing/status/phazing.

Glad they are finally releasing it anyway, it isn't going to make OU, but it's been far too long coming. Sheer Force Feraligatr now please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 15:58:15 No.22232800 Report

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>>22231502
>Implying

As much as I'd want it since its pretty much the only good looking design of the gen V starters, its just not gonna happen.
Its a shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 15:59:41 No.22232813 Report

Quoted By: >>22250961

>>22231514
If they were shit-tier PU why would you play them. Then they would be top-tier PU, dumb dumb.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 16:00:20 No.22232816 Report

Quoted By: >>22233059 >>22233642

>>22231517

>75 SpA
>one shots

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 16:31:21 No.22233059 Report

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>>22232816
>What is Life Orb
>What is a free Nasty Plot

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 16:43:11 No.22233168 Report

Quoted By: >>22233201 >>22233306

>>22231502
>mfw Serperior gets Mega in future gens and keep Contrary
>mfw major sp.atk, speed, def boost
>mfw gets dual typing upon mega-evolving
>mfw it's Grass/Dragon
>mfw it gets Draco Meteor from future tutors
>mfw all those delusional faggots in this thread will cry like babies

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 16:47:16 No.22233201 Report

Quoted By: >>22233277 >>22233293

>>22233168
>mfw despite all of that, it will still be shit

Serperior: The eternal shitmon. Even Ledian has a bigger chance to rise from the depths of shitmonhood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 16:54:56 No.22233277 Report

Quoted By: >>22233289

>>22233201
How is that shit? it depends how much they'll buff SpA but +2 Draco Meteor + stab should wreck some shit. It'll be perfect Contrary user

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 16:56:10 No.22233289 Report

Quoted By: >>22233302

>>22233277
>Mamoswine used Ice Shard

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 16:56:38 No.22233293 Report

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>>22233201
>Ledian has a bigger chance of getting a mega than Flygon

It just keeps happening

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 16:57:56 No.22233302 Report

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>>22233289
You forgot to add
>Delibird used Ice Shard
pleb

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 16:58:19 No.22233306 Report

Quoted By: >>22233316

>>22233168

>draco meteor

draco meteor is only available to natural dragon types. that's why sceptile and charizard don't get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:00:01 No.22233316 Report

Quoted By: >>22247935

>>22233306
they can change that in future gens, we don't know yet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:00:11 No.22233317 Report

Quoted By: >>22233342 >>22233361

I think it would be done best as a late game cleaner. That way, its coverage issues can be partially dealt with by the sheer power of its moves. It will also be easier to set up on pokemon with less HP as they have lesser chance of retaliating.

I'm also thinking Emboar will rise in usage, not as much as Serps but still a good rise. With Reckless on tap, Flare Blitz and Wild Charge come off at an equivalent of 158 base attack.

Samurott gets left behind of course, Shell Armor is better than nothing I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:03:21 No.22233342 Report

Quoted By: >>22233392 >>22233413

>>22233317
Is shell armor better than torrent? Really though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:05:41 No.22233361 Report

Quoted By: >>22233413

>>22233317
Samurott only chance is to get mega. It'll probably get Swift Swim like Swampert because muh speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:09:37 No.22233392 Report

Quoted By: >>22233402 >>22233407 >>22233413 >>22233889

>>22233342
Samurott needs to be erased from existence. They should go back to the drawing board and come back with a better evolution for Dewott.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:11:44 No.22233402 Report

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>>22233392
nah, samurott is fine, its prevos need to be erased though. such shitty designs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:12:09 No.22233407 Report

Quoted By: >>22233968

>>22233392

his evolution is fine, it just should have been water/fighting with sacred sword.

but of course emboar had to fuck everything up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:12:56 No.22233411 Report

Quoted By: >>22233475

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The best Serperior can hope to do is Sub Seed with Leaf Storm and either Dragon Pulse, Hidden Power or Glare. 113 base speed isn't that bad, but it means nothing in this current generation where priority attacks rule the day.

Serperior is a one trick pony, just like Swellow. Once you see it in the team preview, you know exactly what it's going to do and how to shut it down. Those free +2 boosts don't mean much coming from base 75 SpA. Especially since grass is such a terrible offensive type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:13:11 No.22233413 Report

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>>22233342
No idea how Samurott is even played where it is, I imagone it would use SD though.

Man, they need to expand on Samurott as a concept and a pokemon. It makes Flygon look like Lucario in terms of how fleshed out it is.

>>22233361
>>22233392
Samurott's only problem play-wise is speed and abilities. Everything else is workable. It has a good movepool, okay offenses, and passable bulk. If a Mega Evolution just gave it good speed or ballooned its bulk and attack, it would be very good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:19:12 No.22233475 Report

Quoted By: >>22233541 >>22233639

>>22233411
Guessing you're one the average /vp/ers who just completely ignores all the damage calcs posted showing the power behind +2, +4, and +6 Life Orbed Leafstorms. Thanks for the shitpost though.

4/10
Got me to reply.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:25:50 No.22233541 Report

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>>22233475
This.
Damage calcs prove that Serperior will rock OU
I mean look at this
0- Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Serperior: 78-92 (42.8 - 50.5%) -- 2.7% chance to 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:26:12 No.22233545 Report

Quoted By: >>22233613 >>22234010

>Azumarill switched in
>Serperior used Leaf Storm
>Azumarill eats all of the Leaf Storm
>Serperior is now completely defenseless against a water rabbit that wishes to devour a snake from head to tail

Nice shitmon, a shame that it's completely worthless against one of the most common OU pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:26:58 No.22233552 Report

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It's got an OU niche at the least, time will tell if it's a big enough niche to warrant a B rank though, no way is it getting to the A ranks there's just too many negatives to it still.

My guess: B or B- rank OU, A- rank UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:27:19 No.22233558 Report

Quoted By: >>22233607 >>22233968

>>22231502
>252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 114-135 (38.3 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

With smart playing, Smogonbird can be taken out, leaving Serperior with less priority troubles

Granted, Heatran and Mega Altaria ruin its day.

>+6 252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Serperior: 165-195 (56.7 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Also call me stupid but being able to tank one of these at least is pretty good, especially when from what I remember, Bravest Bird is the only Priority that hits SE.

>252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Serperior: 126-148 (43.2 - 50.8%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

This is also impressive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:32:17 No.22233594 Report

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>>22231517

It's not going to happen. Everything double resists Grass. Everything.

It'll be BL.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:33:55 No.22233607 Report

Quoted By: >>22233622

>>22233558
I don't understand that Talonflame calculation. Can you explain what you were trying to prove with it?

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:34:40 No.22233613 Report

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>>22233545

>Sap Sipper Azumarill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:35:15 No.22233622 Report

Quoted By: >>22233658

>>22233607
If you hit Talonflame on the switch and have Stealth Rock up, it's pretty much gone.

I'm trying to prove that Talonflame doesn't absolutely destroy Serperior instantly. Heatran and, to an extent, Mega Altaria are the biggest problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:38:30 No.22233639 Report

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>>22233475
>no priority moves
>terrible defensive type
>sub par defenses
>awful movepool, relies on HP for coverage
>75 base SpA
>walled by a ton of things in OU
That damage means squat when it's so incredibly predictable and mediocre. It won't be OU. Deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:38:36 No.22233642 Report

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>>22232816
I thought you were kidding about the 75 SpA, then I checked. Damn it's stats sucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:41:05 No.22233649 Report

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>>22231726
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:42:26 No.22233656 Report

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Emboar is going to be a better Pokemon that Serperior. Just watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:42:28 No.22233658 Report

Quoted By: >>22233685 >>22233706

>>22233622
>guaranteed 2hit after stealth rock
That is not enough you do understand that right?
Every talonflame will be able to onehit Serperior unless you invest 252 in def.
And even then talonflame can still onehit it with life orb which is incredibly common.
The only way to survive that is to go full bulk which still leaves you with a 31% chance to get onehit.
>252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Serperior: 159-190 (87.3 - 104.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
But in that scenario you don't have enough EV left for 252 SpA

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:44:33 No.22233672 Report

Quoted By: >>22233712 >>22233729 >>22233907

Would Serperior be saved if he had moves or does he need good stats with it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:46:20 No.22233684 Report

Quoted By: >>22250596

>>22231528
>Gunk Shot Greninja
Isn't going to come in on Serperior
>Talonflame
HP Rock :^)
>Heatran
Perfect counter, I'll admit
>Skarmory
>Specs Weedle
>Ferrothorn
HP Fire x3
>Salamence
Banned
>Magnezone
>Scizor
HP Fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:46:30 No.22233685 Report

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>>22233658
I'm just saying smart playing can weaken Talonflame enough. I know it's not enough, and I'm not saying it's not a problem at all, but Serperior can eventually make Talonflame coming in outside of revenge killing a risky play, and you can only revenge kill so many times.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:48:39 No.22233701 Report

Quoted By: >>22233728 >>22234533

>Implying Serperior will ever be OU
RU at least, UU if it's lucky, not OU though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:49:05 No.22233703 Report

Quoted By: >>22233718 >>22233761

>Something has a counter
>It must be a shitmon

Typical /vp/ logic all up in this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:50:00 No.22233706 Report

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>>22233658
With coba berry, full physdef serp can eat one banded and fire back with HP rock. Add glare and its a lure that spreads paralysis

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:50:51 No.22233712 Report

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>>22233672
Earth Power would be a god send. Shadow Ball wouldn't hurt either.

Still, it has pretty shitty stats. A somewhat defensive spread with an ability that tries to turn it into a offensive monster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:51:11 No.22233718 Report

Quoted By: >>22233918

>>22233703
If it has enough counters, then yes, it is a shitmon, in that tier at least. It'll be good in others though. Stop being retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:52:17 No.22233728 Report

Quoted By: >>22233763

>>22233701
It gets fucked by Beedrill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:52:24 No.22233729 Report

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>>22233672

It just needs attacking moves.

It has so little to work with that it may be better off with a monoattacking set. Like Substitute/Grassy Terrain/Leech Seed/Leaf Storm to take down the Pokemon it can't kill at +6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:55:16 No.22233747 Report

Quoted By: >>22233769

it gets walled/ destroyed by too many things to be OU. Or maybe even UU.

It was the first starter I had to box for being too bad INGAME for fucks sake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:55:41 No.22233750 Report

Quoted By:

M-maybe we're getting a mega, that would help right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:57:03 No.22233761 Report

Quoted By: >>22233785

>>22233703
Typical /vp/ logic said Mega Gallade would suck because of Inner Focus and Mega Metagross would be terrible because of its stat spread and 4 move syndrome.

Now /vp/ is all about how Serperior is a top tier OU contender.

Right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:57:37 No.22233763 Report

Quoted By: >>22233774 >>22233779

>>22233728
>Beedril goes for the never eber seen before "shh it's a secret im gonna use Protect in the first turn ;~)"
>Suddenly le wild Skarmory
>Protect Fasiled

How did that happen! :o

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:58:28 No.22233769 Report

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>>22233747
Come on man, it wasn't that bad. And b/w was pretty easy.

the first time I played emeraldI boxed my treecko in favor of route rat, wingbro and mushroom puncher

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:59:32 No.22233774 Report

Quoted By: >>22234160

>>22233763
ebin

so what you're saying is that serperior is going to need support up the ass just to be usable in higher tiers, Because that's what's going to happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 17:59:52 No.22233778 Report

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>>22231502
>Always do the opposite of what /vp/ says about competitive
This means Serperior is still a PU tier shitmon.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:00:04 No.22233779 Report

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>>22233763
>skarmory in uu

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:00:46 No.22233785 Report

Quoted By: >>22233817

>>22233761
>/vp/ tiers things based on m-muh waifu
>hates gallade because it takes away from gardevore
>loves serperior because snake waifu
no surprises here man, its the same thing as "pokebros"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:04:20 No.22233817 Report

Quoted By: >>22233884

>>22233785
Right?

Also, forgot about Mega Slowbro. Remember how /vp/ said it was bad because of Shell Armor? Ruined, they said. What a terrible ability to have, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:05:03 No.22233822 Report

Quoted By: >>22233900 >>22243752

>>22231517
>+2 252+ SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 142-168 (47.8 - 56.5%) -- 84% chance to 2HKO
>+2 252+ SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard X: 120-142 (40.4 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>+2 252+ SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 214-253 (33.3 - 39.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:06:05 No.22233829 Report

Quoted By: >>22233931 >>22233968

Its only second place as a contrary user to Malamar, who actually has more of a movepool, better offensive stat and arguably better typing
Only thing Serperior gets it an offensive nasty plot boost to a bulk up buff and even then, fighting is majorly better than grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:10:37 No.22233884 Report

Quoted By: >>22233922

>>22233817
But what they were really saying is that they hated the shell taking over its body, and wanted slowking to get the mega instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:11:18 No.22233889 Report

Quoted By: >>22233930

>>22233392
this

gen 5 starters were shit
so was gen 5 for that matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:12:25 No.22233900 Report

Quoted By: >>22233968 >>22234108

>>22233822
I noticed you used a SpA increasing nature for those calcs. Nobody would run that with only 113 speed in OU, so it would do even less damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:13:38 No.22233907 Report

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>>22233672

Baton Pass

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:13:39 No.22233908 Report

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>>22231517
Even I am a Serperiorfag but u wot m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:14:37 No.22233918 Report

Quoted By: >>22234000

>>22233718
And it has, what, 4 true counters since now we remember HP fire exists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:14:49 No.22233922 Report

Quoted By: >>22233946

>>22233884
The were saying both terrible design and ability.

That thing is a bitch to face without Whirlwind/Roar...

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:15:32 No.22233930 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233889

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:15:32 No.22233931 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233829

Malamar has shit speed and none of his stabs are nearly as strong as leaf storm. His contrary move isn't even a stab, and it doesn't boost to +2. He also lacks bulk and recovery, in comparison, and seperior can cripple with glare if need be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:15:57 No.22233939 Report

Quoted By: >>22233967

>switch in to defog
>start spamming Leaftorm
>Talonflame used Brave Bird!
>It missed!

It won't be OU though, but it'll definitely have a niche. Also Chansey doesn't counter LO sets, it boosts too fast and nothing else on stall besides Heatran and some talonflame sets are able to counter it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:17:13 No.22233946 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233922
They were just trash talking the ability out of hate for the design and trying to pull people over to their opinion by pretending to know more than they do.
Pretty classic trick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:19:28 No.22233967 Report

Quoted By: >>22234087

>>22233939
Don't forget Sticky Web. It increases Serperior's speed, enough to outspeed Greninja I believe, and maybe Sceptile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:19:33 No.22233968 Report

Quoted By: >>22234023

>>22233407
It could've been Water/Steel, but nooo only Fire starters are allowed to repeat types.
>>22233558
It's weak to Ice Shard.
>>22233829
>second place as a contrary user to Malamar
No. It's not going to rule OU, but it's still far FAR better than hypnosquid.
>>22233900
Calcs are mostly to show how two Leaf Storms aren't going to guarantee a kill on everything. It's interesting to note that it DOES push through most of those with just Dragon Pulse and your chosen Hidden Power save Chansey, who can only watch and despair while you Leaf Storm to +6 to kill it.
Specially Defensive Clefable new meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:24:41 No.22234000 Report

Quoted By: >>22234188

>>22233918
>>22233918
HP Fire still wouldn't be enough.

+2 252+ SpA Serperior Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 266-314 (79.6 - 94%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252+ SpA Serperior Hidden Power Fire vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 218-258 (67.2 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

There's always Heatran, Talonflame and Megazard X/Y, it would have to have a team that could support the shit out of it to stick in OU, it's not gonna be anywhere in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:25:20 No.22234010 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233545
>Running Sap Sipper Rabbit
Is this the meaning of over centralizing? Serperior banned when? :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:26:10 No.22234023 Report

Quoted By: >>22237911

>>22233968
Fuck I forgot about Ice Shard, also Mega Pinsir's Quick Attack. I just usually forget about Ice Shard because I hate how this damn board just goes
>MAMOSWINE USED ICE SHARD XD
when anything quad weak to Ice is brought into discussion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:27:14 No.22234035 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231702
Randoms is the truest test of pokemon skill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:27:40 No.22234038 Report

Quoted By: >>22234049

It can use Glare to screw with the quad resist switch ins.

It won't be great but it'll be at least usable in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:30:02 No.22234049 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234038
>Glare
That could be a fun thing to do in double battles, you just gave me an idea for a snake themed team, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:33:28 No.22234082 Report

Quoted By:

It's completely walled by Magnezone, Heatran, Scizor, Talonflame and plenty of others, if you run the right coverage, you still get fucked by half the metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:34:12 No.22234087 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233967
>enough to outspeed Greninja I believe, and maybe Sceptile

You "believe" it outspeeds Greninja at +1 speed? Are you really unsure whether a +1 base 113 outspeeds a +0 base 122 mon?

It has 357 speed, so gets an extra 178 speed from +1 increase, hitting 535 speed assuming Timid. It outspeeds Greninja (377) and Sceptile (427) no problem. 535 is base 194 with max invest and it's almost as fast as Sand Rush Drill (550).

The only problem is that Sticky Web isn't anywhere near as common as Defog. But when it's there, sure it'll help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:36:01 No.22234101 Report

Quoted By: >>22234109 >>22234123

Been away for 1 month.

What happened?
HA released? Where and when and how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:36:48 No.22234108 Report

Quoted By: >>22234125 >>22234163

>>22233900

Daily reminder that 113 speed is just not fast enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:36:48 No.22234109 Report

Quoted By: >>22234127

>>22234101
will be released soon in nippon. contrary serp line is already tradable though

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:37:59 No.22234122 Report

Quoted By: >>22234137 >>22234141 >>22234144 >>22234179

What does Serperior have over Sceptile?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:38:10 No.22234123 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234101
Nothing, no, Japan, January, event.

In that order.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:38:16 No.22234124 Report

Quoted By:

>all it has for coverage is HP, dragon pulse, and leaf storm

Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:38:23 No.22234125 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234108
Outspeeding base 110's is plenty useful, its speed is not the issue it's its movepoool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:38:26 No.22234127 Report

Quoted By: >>22234145 >>22234181

>>22234109
Just Snivy? Why a Snivy particularly?
Not all other starts?
What's the explanation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:39:40 No.22234137 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234122
glare, coil, aqua tail, and a few other moves.
statwise, not much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:40:01 No.22234141 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234122
MUH +2 LEAF STORM
MUH ITEMS

pretty much it, Sceptile is still better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:40:12 No.22234144 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234122
Ability to break through Chansey

Doesn't take mega slot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:40:13 No.22234145 Report

Quoted By: >>22234181

>>22234127
all gen 5 starters.
>What's the explanation?
*laugh* I don't know

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:41:18 No.22234158 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231502
UU at best. Much better though, OU is for autists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:41:20 No.22234160 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233774
No, I'm saying that Beedrill can be easily outplayed and that's why it's in UU
>Forced to run Protect to Mega Evolve
>Predictable as fuck due to limited movepool
>Has to compete for your mega slot
>Weak to SR/Talonflame

It's shit.

At least Serperior can have a niche in OU, and it doesn't waste your mega slot, which is always a nice thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:41:33 No.22234163 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234108
Never said it was, but you need all the speed you can possibly have.

It has to be timid to keep up, so it will run 249 SpA as a result.

Yay...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:43:08 No.22234179 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234122
Doesn't die to one Ice Shard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:43:33 No.22234181 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234145
>>22234127
>inb4 it has to do with some kind of anime cameo
they release events to pander to the anime/movies all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:43:58 No.22234188 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234000
>Skarmory
Looks like an OHKO to me, considering
>it still had to take a Leaf Storm on the switch
>best Serperior set will probably hold a Life Orb
Same goes for Magnezone.

Starting to change my mind about this thing. Leaf Storm/Dragon Pulse/HP Fire or Ground/Glare or Giga Drain or Knock Off may actually be enough to slither into OU. Remember, 75/95/95 bulk is actually pretty damn not-terrible and lets Serperior survive any Priority move that isn't coming from Bravest Burd, and that it becomes a massive pain in the ass if it switches into a Defog. It's also faster than shit like Thundurus-I.
I keep running calcs, and I keep getting 2KHOs with Leaf Storm -> +2 Coverage move or just Leaf Storm -> +2 Leaf Storm using 252 Timid LO Serperior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:44:33 No.22234196 Report

Quoted By: >>22234211 >>22234293

The simple addition of Flamethrower or Earthpower would go a long way, it doesn't even really need both.

Fucking hell its ONLY other special moves are Dragon Pulse and the stuff that everything that learns TMs also get. Like what the fuck, even most physical attackers have a better movepool than that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:46:24 No.22234211 Report

Quoted By: >>22234229

>>22234196
>the stuff that everything that learns TMs also get
except it doesn't even get like half the special TMs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:48:56 No.22234227 Report

Quoted By: >>22234446 >>22234546

You know what the best part about this is?

It only gets Dragon Pulse as a tutor move. So if in the next generation of games, they only allow Pokemon caught/bred in that gen to enter tournies like the did this gen, it'll be down to just Hidden Power for coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:49:20 No.22234229 Report

Quoted By: >>22234267

>>22234211
I was talking about Hidden Power and stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:54:07 No.22234267 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234229
Oh, I thought you meant TMs that many pokemon get, such as thunder, or ice beam..

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 18:57:18 No.22234293 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234196
Superpower tutor would have been nice, just so it isn't a one trick pony Leaf Storm. If Spinda and Malamar can have Contrary Superpower, then so should Serp. Also Malamar should get Psycho Boost, but that's not really related to Serp I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:03:36 No.22234354 Report

Quoted By: >>22234378 >>22234401 >>22234454 >>22252093

>yfw Serperior gets Ice Beam, Thunderbolt and Earth Power in Pokemon Z

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:05:59 No.22234378 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234354
>mfw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:08:50 No.22234401 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234354
N E V E R E V E R

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:12:17 No.22234432 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231514
you're a fucking idiot ideally all pokemon should be ou
>more choices
>more variation
>more fun
>more players
>more money for gf
>more games

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:13:05 No.22234446 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234227
With the obscene power granted by a Leaf Storm boost under its belt, Serperior could always run shit like Nature Power (normally Tri Attack) or Wring Out for when its Grass STAB is doubly-resisted and its chosen Hidden Power is neutral or worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:13:39 No.22234452 Report

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>>22231528
anti-meta is just meta part two, there really is no such thing as anti-meta

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:14:02 No.22234454 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234354

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:20:23 No.22234533 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233701
they said the same about charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:21:29 No.22234546 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234227
So instead it just runs Sub+Leech Seed, Sub+Glare, or Taunt+whatever. It's not the end of the world for it unless they removed Leaf Storm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 23:07:25 No.22237052 Report

Quoted By: >>22237274

>>22231862
did serperior got anything from move tutors because i remember even in gen 5 it wasnt really good, it was a gimmick and it still is a gimmick.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 23:23:37 No.22237220 Report

Quoted By: >>22238012

>Galvantula used Sticky Web!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 23:31:06 No.22237274 Report

Quoted By:

>>22237052
Nope. It has the same move pool that it did in the gen 5 games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 23:57:26 No.22237486 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231983
>You mean UU at best?

It wouldn't even be good at UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 23:58:59 No.22237500 Report

Quoted By: >>22238120

>"Malamar will be OU"

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 00:05:09 No.22237553 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231502
>OU
pfffffff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 00:34:42 No.22237911 Report

Quoted By: >>22237935

>>22234023

Don't forget that while M-Altaria doesn't have anything SE or priority, it walls the fuck out of Serperior's entire barren movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 00:36:49 No.22237935 Report

Quoted By: >>22237977

>>22237911
>Don't forget that while M-Altaria doesn't have anything SE
Fire Blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 00:41:02 No.22237977 Report

Quoted By: >>22238687

>>22237935

I concede that point. But its resists are more important. Immune to Dragon Pulse, 2x resistant to Leaf Storm coming off of 110 base SpD, 2x resistant to non STAB HP Fire as well.

It's not that Serperior's bad, it's just the point that a lot of people have been making in this thread is totally true: there are too many OU pokemon that wall it and/or threaten it with priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 00:45:27 No.22238012 Report

Quoted By: >>22238120

>>22237220
>Braves Bird used Bravest Bird
Speed means nothing in Priority Attacks: The Current Generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 00:57:37 No.22238120 Report

Quoted By: >>22240278

>>22237500
>Shit speed
>Shit bulk
>4x weak to U-turn
>No STAB from Superpower
Holy shit, just kill yourself.

>>22238012
Talonflame in this Stealth Rock economy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:00:45 No.22238159 Report

Quoted By: >>22238756

give it a dragon type with draco meteor

how good is it now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:47:07 No.22238687 Report

Quoted By:

>>22237977
Yea, but like it's been mentioned in this thread, only like FOUR Pokemon outright wall Serperior to hell.

And the only Pokemon that threatens it with priority is Talonflame...and that threatens everything that's not Rock and/or Stell type with priority anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:57:30 No.22238756 Report

Quoted By: >>22252105

>>22238159
no.

Give it a fire typing and overheat?

yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 04:36:09 No.22240278 Report

Quoted By:

>>22238120
>Holy shit, just kill yourself.

Lol you didn't get sarcasm?

I was just imitating the stupid people from early XY who said that Superpower Malamar will be top OU which is similar to serperior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 11:27:09 No.22243201 Report

Quoted By: >>22243560

>Special Movepool is Leaf Storm and Dragon Pulse, plus the unreliable Hidden Power
>the end

Holy shit GF, why couldn't Serperior get at least Earth Power?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 12:22:34 No.22243432 Report

Quoted By:

> 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 32-39 (8.2 - 10.1%) -- you nigga
followed by
> +2 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 328-390 (84.9 - 101%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
sounds good

and
> 0 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Serperior: 228-270 (78 - 92.4%) -- don't forget life orb recoil

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 12:30:04 No.22243460 Report

Quoted By: >>22243542 >>22243590

>>22231502
>>22231502
>worst designed Grass starter
>one of the worst designed Grass types overall
>literally worse than Meganium in usability

Oh OP, you so wacky.

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 12:46:37 No.22243514 Report

Quoted By:

Serperior won't be OU in usage, but it'll definitely have a place in OU. It's a good non-mega alternative to Mega Sceptile, and a dangerous lategame cleaner.

Teams without Heatran or Talonflame WILL struggle with this thing.

... Greninja too, or course...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 12:50:48 No.22243542 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243460
>a snake
>worse than anything
>ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 12:55:41 No.22243560 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243201
>one of the best coverage moves
>"at least"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 12:56:37 No.22243564 Report

Quoted By: >>22243568

How would a Glare/Dragon Tail set fare?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 12:57:34 No.22243568 Report

Quoted By: >>22243574

>>22243564
You don't need Contrary for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 12:59:31 No.22243574 Report

Quoted By: >>22243579

>>22243568
No, but you could run it alongside Leaf Storm and something else to cover a couple roles at once, perhaps?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:00:22 No.22243579 Report

Quoted By: >>22243587

>>22243574
Why don't you just use a Dragonite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:02:01 No.22243587 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243579
Valid point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:03:24 No.22243590 Report

Quoted By: >>22243619

>>22243460
Serperiors entire evolution line was very well designed. Then again I am a grass fag that usually likes the grass starters over the others.
> I took the bait.

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:14:19 No.22243619 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243590
>Then again I am a grass fag that usually likes the grass starters over the others

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:28:46 No.22243691 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231514
gamefreak does not design pokemon around tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:47:45 No.22243745 Report

Quoted By:

>mega-Sableye really needs prankster, too slow and gimmicky
>mega-Metagross has no high-base-power moves, forever UU
>>>inner focus

Serperior will be BL. It doesn't require a mega slot and is very easy to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:49:08 No.22243747 Report

Quoted By: >>22243762 >>22243789

Serperior is a shitmon that's hard countered by Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:50:50 No.22243752 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233822
>Guaranteed 3HKO
Try 2HKO, since its power will have doubled on the next shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:53:55 No.22243762 Report

Quoted By: >>22243779

>>22243747
Didn't know Greninja could switch in on Leaf Storm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:56:03 No.22243779 Report

Quoted By: >>22243788

>>22243762
>what is gunk shot
>what is protean
>what is poison type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:57:48 No.22243788 Report

Quoted By: >>22243820

>>22243779
I'm pretty sure you can't use all that stuff while switching in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:57:50 No.22243789 Report

Quoted By: >>22243795

>>22243747
I don't think you understand what that word means. Sticky web makes your frog an easy kill and a free +2. Doesn't sound like much of a counter to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 13:59:32 No.22243795 Report

Quoted By: >>22243822

>>22243789
>using sticky web
>ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:04:11 No.22243820 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243788
Rekt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:05:37 No.22243822 Report

Quoted By: >>22243825 >>22243831

>>22243795
>Not using sticky
You also don't use entry hazards do you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:06:33 No.22243825 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243822
>using hazards when MSableye has 40% usage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:07:32 No.22243831 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243822
>something something defog
>something something rapid spin
>magic bounce megas

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:17:55 No.22243865 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231502
Shell armor Samurott

oh my god

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:25:51 No.22243902 Report

Quoted By: >>22243904 >>22243910

>>22231502
> Switch in to Talonflame
> Switch in to Ferrothorn
> Switch in to Heatran
> Switch in to Venusaur

It wouldn't stand a chance in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:26:45 No.22243904 Report

Quoted By: >>22243912 >>22243923

>>22243902
>HP Rock
>HP Fire
>HP Ground
>HP Flying
Nice try faget.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:27:46 No.22243910 Report

Quoted By: >>22243939

>>22243902
>Serperior used HP Rock
>Serperior used HP Fire
>Serperior used HP Ground
>Serperior switches to a different pokemon that handles Venusaur

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:27:56 No.22243912 Report

Quoted By: >>22243932 >>22243934

>>22243904
>It can run 4 different kinds of HP
Get fucked, your shitty snake isn't going to make it in OU even it if it runs the best HP for the tier, it still gets walled by fucking everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:28:32 No.22243923 Report

Quoted By: >>22243934

>>22243904
>it magically has four hidden power types at once
epig

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:29:24 No.22243932 Report

Quoted By: >>22243943 >>22243953 >>22243959 >>22243976

>>22243912
>Mega Gallade won't be OU!
>Megagross won't be OU!
>Mega Sableye won't be OU!

When will you people learn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:29:25 No.22243934 Report

Quoted By: >>22243953

>>22243912
>>22243923
>there are teams that run every possible counter to serperior at the same time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:29:45 No.22243939 Report

Quoted By: >>22243946 >>22243956

>>22243910

If your pokemon has to rely on Hidden Power for coverage then it's shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:30:27 No.22243943 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243932
I'm honestly surprised about MegaSableye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:30:45 No.22243946 Report

Quoted By: >>22243970

>>22243939
>It doesn't count because I say so!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:31:08 No.22243953 Report

Quoted By: >>22243962

>>22243932
>Comparing something that's monograss type with 75 Spa to those Megas
Fuck off

>>22243934
Considering Talonflame, Greninja, Heatran, Scizor, MegaGross are all extremely common, it's not getting anywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:31:27 No.22243956 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243939
>Keldeo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:32:24 No.22243959 Report

Quoted By: >>22243987

>>22243932

The difference is they all have good stats, abilities, typing and movepool.

A mono grass type who has lower stats in everything except speed compared to meganium and a movepool that does nothing isn't going to OU anytime soon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:32:50 No.22243962 Report

Quoted By: >>22243978

>>22243953
>Comparing something that's monograss type with 75 Spa to those Megas
Being a mega is a cons though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:33:46 No.22243970 Report

Quoted By: >>22243981

>>22243946
> It counts because I say so!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:33:53 No.22243974 Report

Quoted By: >>22252550 >>22252582

>>22231502
Daily reminder that to be useful Serperior needs to use a +0 Leaf Storm once

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:34:23 No.22243976 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243932
>actually thinking serperior will be OU
come on now, when people were saying those megas wouldn't be OU was before we saw stats. we already know how shit serperior is.

>only useable stat boosting move is an 8PP grass move that can miss
>abysmal movepool
>many things in OU either wall it or outspeed and can kill serperior

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:34:30 No.22243978 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243962
But they are good megas, I don't see your point.

Serperior literally has worse stats than MEGANIUM, apart from Speed

It'll be like C- or D rank in OU, no higher

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:34:52 No.22243981 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243970
>my argument didn't work better use someone else's!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:35:23 No.22243987 Report

Quoted By: >>22243996

>>22243959
>ignoring Contrary
>thinking that stats, typing and movepool are all there is to a pokemon's viability

It seems like that you think that Smeargle is an useless piece of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:37:17 No.22243996 Report

Quoted By: >>22243999

>>22243987
Serperior is still going to be a piece of shit even with Contrary, it has no movepool so it's easily walled and easily revenge killed because Grass is a fucking horrible typing and it has 75/95/95 bulk which isn't good at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:38:03 No.22243999 Report

Quoted By: >>22244004 >>22244008

>>22243996
I can't wait for your ass to get BTFO when Serperior is confirmed to be viable. You better prepare your ass, son.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:38:48 No.22244004 Report

Quoted By: >>22244011

>>22243999
yeah, when it actually gets a movepool then I'll give a fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:39:43 No.22244008 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243999

Don't worry anon I'm already sat down for such an event.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:40:20 No.22244011 Report

Quoted By: >>22244024 >>22244040

>>22244004
Leaf Storm, Dragon Pulse and a relevant Hidden Power is all it needs to destroy your ass.
>m-m-muh smogonbird
Substitute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:43:16 No.22244024 Report

Quoted By: >>22244032

>>22244011

You know pokemon can only run 4 moves right?

You can't have Leaf Storm, Dragon Pulse, every HP it needs for coverage and substitute all at the same time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:44:10 No.22244032 Report

Quoted By:

>>22244024
>Leaf Storm
>Dragon Pulse
>A relevant Hidden Power
>Substitute

>more than 4 moves
Why the fuck are anti-serperiorfags so retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:45:39 No.22244040 Report

Quoted By: >>22244056 >>22244082

>>22244011
So say you're running HP Rock, you auto lose to Scizor, Heatran, Metagross, Mega Altaria, Ferrothorn, Venusaur, Unaware Clefable, Celebi, Magnezone and Chansey

HP Fire is walled by Heatran, Metagross (lmao), Venusaur, Mega Altaria, Clefable, Chansey, Talonflame and AV Tornadus-T

All of these pokemon are very relevant in OU, Serperior isn't going to manage in OU at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:48:28 No.22244056 Report

Quoted By: >>22244186

>>22244040
>chansey
>clefable
lolwat?
they can't wall the snake.

252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Unaware Clefable: 208-247 (52.7 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
almost the same for chaney.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:51:35 No.22244082 Report

Quoted By: >>22245906

>>22244040
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 220+ SpD Celebi: 140-166 (34.6 - 41%) -- 67.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Celebi ain't walling shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:55:42 No.22244104 Report

Quoted By: >>22244112 >>22244119 >>22244125

>itt: retards throwing every possible counter/check at serperior.
>half of them get obliterated if they switch into lf
>depending on the hp, the other half don't work.
>retards get buttmad because you can't run more than one hp (nuh-uh), while demanding that serperior has to beat EVERY SINGLE COUNTER AT THE SAME TIME ALONE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:57:04 No.22244112 Report

Quoted By: >>22244119 >>22244129

>>22244104
You forgot
>ITT: Serperior is the sole member of a team while the opponent's team are all Serperior counters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:58:13 No.22244119 Report

Quoted By: >>22244126 >>22244129

>>22244104
>>22244112
you also forgot
>retards think serperior will be OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:59:17 No.22244125 Report

Quoted By:

>>22244104
itt: retards wishing their shitmon wasn't NU dumpster trash
>get anally annihilated when proven their shitmon can't stand up to OU: The Experience
>m-m-mm--mmuh HP
>mu-mm-mmm-muh contrary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:59:19 No.22244126 Report

Quoted By: >>22244172

>>22244119
>retards think serperior won't be OU viable
FTFY

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 14:59:36 No.22244129 Report

Quoted By: >>22244158

>>22244112
that's what i meant with the last part:
>while demanding that serperior has to beat EVERY SINGLE COUNTER AT THE SAME TIME ALONE.

but you worded it better

>>22244119
it seems i forgot one more:
>it's a shitmon if it isn't OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 15:06:43 No.22244158 Report

Quoted By:

>>22244129
>>it's a shitmon if it isn't OU
at no point did i say that. serperior simply won't be OU, that's all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 15:11:22 No.22244172 Report

Quoted By: >>22244188

>>22244126
Everything is OU viable with the right team.

Is this one of those threads were everybody is a Smogon genius or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 15:13:29 No.22244186 Report

Quoted By: >>22244308

>>22244056
>almost the same for chaney.
Nigga you are insane. Chansey can be beaten by smart application of sub and leech seed, however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 15:13:31 No.22244188 Report

Quoted By:

>>22244172
>Everything is OU viable with the right team.
not really. but some lower tier mons are useful in OU, see amoonguss or alomomola.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 15:32:54 No.22244308 Report

Quoted By: >>22250585

>>22244186
+6 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 390-460 (60.7 - 71.6%)
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 16:19:55 No.22244593 Report

Quoted By: >>22244651

It's good. It has a few cool niches, such as trolling Defoggers and spamming a high-BP STAB that also boosts. The main problems with it are
a) far too predictable, crap movepool etc
b) it's Sp.Atk is bollocks, meaning that until you boost you ain't doing shit.
Still, I'm gonna try this fucker. Looks fun on paper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 16:32:06 No.22244651 Report

Quoted By:

>>22244593
Weird question: are you Irish?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 19:14:20 No.22245906 Report

Quoted By:

>>22244082

Holy shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:26:07 No.22247702 Report

Quoted By:

No one has mentioned Taunt yet, I think it's a pretty good move for it to run

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:29:30 No.22247728 Report

Quoted By: >>22247756

a lot of these calculations for leaf storm don't make sense to me. You have to consider the fact that each time it leaf storms, it gets another +2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:33:35 No.22247756 Report

Quoted By: >>22247815 >>22247850

>>22247728
And you have to consider that a fuckton of things in OU double resist grass, so even at +6 it still does shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:39:20 No.22247815 Report

Quoted By: >>22247871 >>22247932

>>22247756
>What is coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:42:57 No.22247850 Report

Quoted By:

>>22247756
That has nothing to do with what I just said. My point is that these calculations aren't taking into account the additional boosts every time you use the move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:46:12 No.22247871 Report

Quoted By: >>22247940

>>22247815

what coverage

it has shit all for moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:49:54 No.22247900 Report

Quoted By: >>22252529

not even official, so who cares?

SMOGON CAN SUCK MY DICK

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:50:52 No.22247906 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231635
And how are you going to land you dragon pulse before megamence aerilates your ass ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:53:28 No.22247932 Report

Quoted By:

>>22247815

>113 speed

Even if it moves first There's so much priority and scarf users in OU they would destroy it before it has a chance to abuse contrary leaf storm. Not to mention lackluster defense, sp. def and HP lower than say Meganium.

I can see it being UU, but not OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:53:41 No.22247935 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233316
And maybe Delibird bill get a mega with a dragon/fighting type, insane stats, an OP ability and a movepool that includes over 9001 100+ BP moves.
We just don't know yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 22:54:05 No.22247940 Report

Quoted By: >>22252336 >>22252362

>>22247871
>+2 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 359-426 (101.9 - 121%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>+2 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran: 338-400 (87.7 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

>+2 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Hidden Power Rock vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 421-499 (141.7 - 168%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>+2 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Salamence: 400-473 (120.8 - 142.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

You know, the stuff that will make your opponent consider which counter with a quad resist to grass to send after a +2 boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 01:49:53 No.22249525 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231862
>I don't see any reason to take /vp/'s competitive advice seriously.
This but I would like to make this sentence look like this:
>I don't see any reason to take /vp/ seriously
Shit opinions in a sea of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 03:32:34 No.22250585 Report

Quoted By: >>22250817

>>22244308
That requires three boosts. Also assumes that Chansey is doing nothing to you in the meantime while you keep pressing leaf storm and drain your health with life orb recoil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 03:35:06 No.22250596 Report

Quoted By:

>>22233684
HP does fuck all unless you already have your boosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 04:00:28 No.22250817 Report

Quoted By: >>22251882

>>22250585
Just what the fuck is Chansey going to be doing to Serperior though, other than being setup bait?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 04:10:39 No.22250919 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231502
I would call this bait, but I know there are people who would seriously think this is possible.

Serperior will never be OU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 04:15:07 No.22250961 Report

Quoted By:

>>22232813
i dont mind hes very low teir just means i can use him in more teirs
its like people who complain about starmie in UU its still a threat in OU just use it there aswell

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 06:01:07 No.22251882 Report

Quoted By:

>>22250817
t-wave, seismic toss
hell, even toxic is basically a death sentence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 06:07:37 No.22251939 Report

Quoted By: >>22252233

Wasn't Serperior with Contrary useable in some simulators? I remember it being really underwhelming, but I was a Hyper Offense scrub and it was Gen 5 so IDK

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 06:26:17 No.22252093 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234354
the fuck is this, genwun?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 06:27:45 No.22252105 Report

Quoted By:

>>22238756
>serperior's mega is now a pepper

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 06:50:51 No.22252233 Report

Quoted By:

>>22251939
gen 5 dream world it was allowed on PO

It had to compete with the biggest power creep we'd seen at the time, however. Weather was everywhere, and there was stuff like Genesect that took a while to get banned from the tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 06:55:01 No.22252253 Report

Quoted By: >>22252355

>>22231502
>walled by sap sipper azumarill

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Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:03:37 No.22252316 Report

Quoted By:

Why don't any of you serperiorfags get that no competent player in OU is going to let a serperior stay alive long enough to get to +6?
>m-muh mega gallade!!
Most of the reasons people said it would be shit was because of garde's stat spread and I WILL NOT FLINCH. We know serp has shit stats, coverage, and that grass is a terrible offensive type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:05:57 No.22252336 Report

Quoted By:

>>22247940
You know you can only run one hidden power, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:10:12 No.22252355 Report

Quoted By:

>>22252253
If you use sap sipper Azumarill then Serperior has already succeeded. :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:10:40 No.22252362 Report

Quoted By:

>>22247940
>>22247940

So basically Serperior is the only pokemon in history to suffer from ThreeMoveSlotSndrome?

Thats just depressing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:13:39 No.22252381 Report

Quoted By: >>22252415

>>22231635
>earthquake
>EARTHQUAKE
serperiorfags know nothing about competitive :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:15:51 No.22252393 Report

Quoted By:

>>22232087
>2nd hit
>greninja not outspeeding and KOing you in 1 turn
sure buddy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:17:04 No.22252402 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231862
People are were dumb to doubt those.
Problem with Serperior is that is has like 3 moves and shit typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:19:28 No.22252415 Report

Quoted By: >>22252447

>>22252381
Natural Gift + Apricot berry = earthquake
anti-serperiorfags know nothing about competitive :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:21:30 No.22252444 Report

Quoted By:

>>22231862
except both of those have actual good typing and power

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:22:31 No.22252447 Report

Quoted By:

>>22252415
ebic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:35:55 No.22252529 Report

Quoted By:

>>22247900
Obviously care enough to shitpost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:37:30 No.22252543 Report

Quoted By:

Are these threads gonna be a daily thing? A new /vp/ ebin maymay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:38:51 No.22252550 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243974
And nothing else ever has to buff, right?

You're a fucking sperg. Go eat a dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 07:44:18 No.22252582 Report

Quoted By:

>>22243974
Too bad bravest bird, priority, speed creep, resists, and scarf exist :^)

oh and don't forget it's shit movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Dec 2014 12:37:17 No.22254004 Report

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> itt; smogonfafs get epicly trolld by /VP/ yet again

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