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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:14:48 No.22850486 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22850498 >>22850505 >>22850509 >>22850571 >>22850718 >>22850789 >>22851323 >>22851325 >>22851694 >>22851702

Who else here likes stall as a playstyle?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:16:22 No.22850498 Report

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>>22850486
try hard net time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:16:30 No.22850500 Report

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Stall is cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:16:57 No.22850505 Report

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>>22850486
fuck you

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:17:48 No.22850509 Report

Quoted By: >>22850723

>>22850486
EVERYTHING THATS WRONG WITH THE GAME

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:18:23 No.22850514 Report

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It's a fun style if you're looking to piss of people.

Using a stall team I got to 1500 in showdown OU, and most wins were people that just forfeited kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:20:14 No.22850529 Report

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Yeah I sure do love 180 turns of non-stop switching, status affliction and wish protecting and resulting in absolutely fucking nothing happening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:20:40 No.22850532 Report

Quoted By: >>22850728

If you don't ike playing stall because it's too "boring" for you it's one thing but please don't suggest that it shouldn't be allowed to exist.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:24:04 No.22850571 Report

Quoted By: >>22850599

>>22850486
What's your opinion on Mega Gyarados, OP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:24:15 No.22850575 Report

Quoted By: >>22850598 >>22850884

Playing something because you like it is great.

Playing something because you know you can piss off other people by doing it is unfathomably childish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:26:55 No.22850598 Report

Quoted By: >>22850624

>>22850575
What if it's both?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:27:01 No.22850599 Report

Quoted By: >>22851624 >>22851765

>>22850571

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:28:36 No.22850616 Report

Quoted By: >>22850678

its literally a play style that involves making the other person quit.

Nothing wrong with playing defensively but it's just something that's seriously not really "fun" to fight. You don't get the sense of adrenaline or "I better get this swtich right!" so in essence it's kind of boring.

Nothing wrong at all with one or two pokemon that can stall on a team, but a whole team dedicated to stall is just really boring IMO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:29:32 No.22850624 Report

Quoted By: >>22852130

>>22850598
At the end of the day, you're still getting your jollies by being a dick. Enjoying being a dick makes you childish.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:39:23 No.22850678 Report

Quoted By: >>22850689 >>22850710

>>22850616
Pretty much this, its basically playing the way which requires the lowest amount of skill/risk to play and it doesn't even make for a good battle, its just you rely on the guy to wear themselves out while you spam recovery over and over or they get bored of repetition and quit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:40:51 No.22850687 Report

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If you lose to stall you just need to GIT GUD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:41:22 No.22850689 Report

Quoted By: >>22850706

>>22850678
>lowest amount of skill/risk to play
Take one thing out and stall generally falls apart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:43:22 No.22850702 Report

Quoted By: >>22850708 >>22850737 >>22850756 >>22850767

>ITT: Faggots who play hyper-aggro thinking they're the ones playing the game the hard way

Aggro is the most brain dead playstile in every competitive game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:44:40 No.22850706 Report

Quoted By: >>22850829

>>22850689
That is the case yeah, always pack a stallbreaker and watch them get frustrated

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:44:56 No.22850708 Report

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>>22850702
I play balance though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:45:09 No.22850710 Report

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>>22850678
This precisely.
Autism is an actual disorder, not just a meme, but I imagine that the majority of people who play and "enjoy" stall are actually autistic. Someone who is able to do the same thing over and over without getting bored because they lack humanity.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:46:12 No.22850718 Report

Quoted By: >>22850809

>>22850486
I love it, as someone who likes Mawile, I couldn't ask for a better opponent.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:46:50 No.22850723 Report

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>>22850509
It is literally, exactly, the opposite of fun.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:47:08 No.22850726 Report

Quoted By: >>22850729

I balance Stall and Offense on my team.
Stall is a great way to get free switches and to cripple Pokemons that threat my game.

The best way to deal with stall is to have a Cleric Wish passer, Knock Off, Great Special Attackers/Mixed Attackers and a Strong Pursuit trapper.

By the way, who walls and cripple Keldeo? That thing is still a sting in my game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:47:55 No.22850728 Report

Quoted By: >>22850735

>>22850532
It shouldn't be allowed to exist.
Do you believe that people should be able to sit in traffic by the droves blocking off commuters so that said people can't get to work and can't make more money then the retards idling? We give out tickets to subhumans like that for a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:48:03 No.22850729 Report

Quoted By: >>22850753

>>22850726
Starmie. One of the most underrated stallmons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:49:03 No.22850735 Report

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>>22850728
>Comparing oranges to apples

you're beyond retarded

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:49:09 No.22850737 Report

Quoted By: >>22850748 >>22850768 >>22850809

>>22850702
At least it's better than no thought press softboiled button 100 times to win retards who play stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:50:56 No.22850748 Report

Quoted By: >>22850798

>>22850737
Softboiled only has 16pp :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:51:32 No.22850753 Report

Quoted By: >>22850766 >>22850880 >>22850960

>>22850729
I run a scarfed one with Ice Beam to deal with Land-T. Still, it can't survive many Keldeo attacks because it lacks recovery.
If I remove it's scarf, it will get U-Turned/Knocked Off to death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:51:44 No.22850756 Report

Quoted By: >>22850774

>>22850702
>one of the more important factors in a battle to actually causing damage
>asserts offensive pressure into a match
>gives off a challenge of prediction in the game on both ends
>becomes high risk if you fuck up and high reward if you predict right which can easily turn the tide in a game
>brain dead
I bet you think that hyper offense is literally 'all sweepers'

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:53:00 No.22850766 Report

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>>22850753
Why the fuck are you running scarf Starmie to deal with Lando-T? /vp/ really is retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:53:02 No.22850767 Report

Quoted By: >>22850774 >>22850815

>>22850702
No its not. Especially in Pokemon, where you have to make the correct play to not lose. You have to dictate the momentum to win. That is harder than switching into your fat counter every time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:53:13 No.22850768 Report

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>>22850737
>Can't kill eviolite chansey

S H I T L O R D

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:53:51 No.22850771 Report

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http://pokemon.alexonsager.net/48/106 Love my Venolee

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:54:14 No.22850774 Report

Quoted By: >>22850787 >>22850814

>>22850756
>>22850767

You're so much in denial it hurts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:54:35 No.22850776 Report

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Skarmbliss
Steel/Fairy OR Steel/Normal
Regenerator/Serena Grace/Sturdy
HP: 255
Attack: 80
Defense: 140
Sp. Atk: 75
Sp. Def: 135
Speed: 25

Standard Moveset
Roost/Wish
Toxic
Protect
Flamethrower/Ice Beam/Substitute/Heal Bell/Etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:55:28 No.22850779 Report

Quoted By: >>22850794 >>22850819

Stall would most certainly not be an issue if m-gengar wasnt ubers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:56:04 No.22850786 Report

Quoted By: >>22850832

>klk

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:56:07 No.22850787 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850774
How?
Prove its braindead to us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:56:25 No.22850789 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850486

I liked it in other gens, not in XY.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:56:55 No.22850794 Report

Quoted By: >>22850819

>>22850779
Yeah, fuck smogon for sending unbroken mons to Uber. They need to retest Aegislash, Darkrai, Ho-oh, M-gengar, and MegaMom.

And bring Mega Fug back to Uber!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:56:58 No.22850795 Report

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all these people complaining about stall dont want gothitelle banned, lmao
inb4 b-but goth breaks stall
its only used on stall, and breaking opposing stall is just a bonus
it promotes shitty teambuilding because you can just ignore shitloads of threats, because you can just sac whatever is least useful to you, then trap it and you dont have to worry about it, it lets you ignore every support mon, and anything weak to psychic with keldeo's speed or slower, the only real tradeoff to using it is you cant use scarf tar

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:57:15 No.22850798 Report

Quoted By: >>22850816

>>22850748
Whoops. You're right. I mean alternating between protect, heal move, and substitute on 6 different mons for 40 minutes all for a single "win".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:58:28 No.22850809 Report

Quoted By: >>22850846

>>22850737
In my experience, those aren't very good stallers because it's reasonably easy to set up against them if they can't attack well.

I play a mixed stall and offense team, and if you spend too much time stalling in a good spot, it stops being a good spot and you lose.

I usually pair Whimsicott with Mawile (I'm >>22850718) because Whimsicott is the fastest Taunter and can play a pretty good stall game, but I use it more for utility than for wasting time. (Prankster something and then switch.)

But when I know I'm going to lose it, I use Tailwind before it gets KOed, and then switch in a Speed-invested Mawile which can KO most of the game in one hit and can outspeed most threats. (And is pretty Bulky to boot and sports Intimidate just in case.)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:59:07 No.22850814 Report

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>>22850774
Irony the post the movie the game the experience the lifestyle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:59:08 No.22850815 Report

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>>22850767
>That is harder than switching into your fat counter every time.
if that's how stall was actually played it would be very easy to break, in fact it is rather easy for hyper offense teams to break stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:59:11 No.22850816 Report

Quoted By: >>22850854

>>22850798
>what is taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 19:59:27 No.22850819 Report

Quoted By: >>22850826 >>22850836 >>22850840 >>22850842 >>22850975 >>22851146

>>22850779
>Gives a free kill no matter what you do
>Not uber worthy

KEK

>>22850794
>Darkrai
No
>Ho-oh
It's shit anyway
>MegaMom
Broken
>Aegislash
Could see it back in OU atm

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:00:44 No.22850826 Report

Quoted By: >>22850837 >>22850890

>>22850819
>>Ho-oh
>It's shit anyway
are you implying that ho-oh is shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:01:24 No.22850827 Report

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Actually I prefer stall to other playstyles. Watching as my opponent struggles to do any considerable damage while his team gradually loses health and he loses his temper is quite enjoyable and funny at the same time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:01:39 No.22850829 Report

Quoted By: >>22850882

>>22850706
Its fun to bring mega aggron to OU and watch as they try to figure out a way around him

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:01:53 No.22850832 Report

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>>22850786
Good job, you forced in your shitty meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:02:18 No.22850836 Report

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>>22850819
>ho-oh
>S- ranked, same as Gengar
>third most used mon in SPL, outside of pdon and xern
>it's shit
Nice bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:02:21 No.22850837 Report

Quoted By: >>22850876

>>22850826
I don't need to imply anything, it's shit

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:02:40 No.22850839 Report

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http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/frost-ou-1395885

"stall is more than just healing and switching"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:02:46 No.22850840 Report

Quoted By: >>22850858

>>22850819
Git gud And start running earthquake or something faggot, or are you just as in love with stall as smogon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:03:04 No.22850842 Report

Quoted By: >>22850865 >>22850903 >>22850928 >>22851042

>>22850819
That was just off the top of my head.

Heres a list of ubers that need to be lowered.
Aegislash
Arceus-Ice
Blaziken (not mega)
Darkrai
All Deoxys Form except Attack
Genesect
M-gengar
Ho-oh
MegaMom
MegaLucario
MegaMawile
Reshiram
MegaSalamence
Shaymin-Sky

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:03:29 No.22850846 Report

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>>22850809
Jesus, that's vicious.
I do appreciate you using Whimsicott for utility more than stall. Stall Whimsicott is a chore to deal with. And most people play Pokemon to get away from the daily chores of their lives.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:04:54 No.22850854 Report

Quoted By: >>22850872 >>22850885

>>22850816
A move that is not on every Pokemon on my team. Which lies in stark contrast to the very construction of shit stall teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:05:21 No.22850858 Report

Quoted By: >>22850895

>>22850840
EQ? For what purpose? Explain better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:05:57 No.22850865 Report

Quoted By: >>22850898 >>22851146

>>22850842
What
I wanna hear your reasoning for each of them, this should be good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:06:57 No.22850872 Report

Quoted By: >>22850921 >>22850922

>>22850854
>hurrdurr I refuse to run taunt
>why am I losing to stall?
Fucking retards, I swear.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:07:09 No.22850876 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850837
I have no opinion on the matter but your guys' posts are hilarious!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:07:38 No.22850880 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850753
>Scarf Starmie
>At base 115 speed
You're literally retarded

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:07:48 No.22850882 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850829
M-Aggron can cause issues to stall? Interesting to know, it'll make a good alternative to Gliscor

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:07:50 No.22850884 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850575
Caring about what's childish is childish because adults know that people gonna peop, and children get mad when things don't go their way.

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:07:59 No.22850885 Report

Quoted By: >>22850956

>>22850854
here's the thing tho, stall teams lack offensive pressure so its pretty easy to get your taunter out

the most u risk is a status or maybe a seismic toss from chansey, so if you carry a cleric you'll be fine

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:08:12 No.22850890 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850826
here we go...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:08:14 No.22850891 Report

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I like having a stall mon as a safety net in case the rest of my team gets shitwrecked

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:08:40 No.22850895 Report

Quoted By: >>22850942

>>22850858
M-Gengar has shit defense and loses levitate

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:09:03 No.22850898 Report

Quoted By: >>22851146

>>22850865

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:09:30 No.22850903 Report

Quoted By: >>22850930 >>22850975 >>22851146

>>22850842
>Aegislash
debatable
>Arceus-Ice
offensive cm seems 2good
>Blaziken (not mega)
could see it
>Darkrai
retard
>All Deoxys Form except Attack
top kek
>Genesect
>stall is brainless
>wants gene back
pot lel
>M-gengar
>>
>Ho-oh
because 50% burn rate 100 bp move off a good 130 attack+item, regenerator and titanic bulk isnt broken
>MegaMom
lol
>MegaLucario
lol
>MegaMawile
lol
>Reshiram
literally everything in ou is 2hko by this
>MegaSalamence
lol
>Shaymin-Sky
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:11:05 No.22850921 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850872
I am not into battles but can't MSableye do some work? Not Mega: Taunt. Mega against all toxic things.
>inb4 beating stall with stall
Yeah. If he let's you set up...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:11:05 No.22850922 Report

Quoted By: >>22850933

>>22850872
Are you blind or just selectively illiterate?
Are you trying to imply that I should be running taunt on every single one of my mons because of some shit play style that only sees use by actual autists with nothing but time on their hands?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:11:29 No.22850928 Report

Quoted By: >>22850952 >>22850973 >>22850975 >>22850977 >>22851146

>>22850842
>Aegislash
Ok
>Arceus-Ice
Stay uber buddy
>Blaziken (not mega)
It's quite annoying but it has several checks and counters
>Darkrai
Unless you outspeed it ( or magic bounce/ insomnia ) and oneshot this piece of shit can easly rape anything
>All Deoxys form except attack
Maybe only D-D and D-S
>Gensect
Not sure about this one
>M-Gengar
Stay uber
>Ho-oh
Ok
>MegaMom
Broken
>MegaLucario
Just like megamilf
>MegaMawile
Not sure, it's kinda hard to oneshot it and if it manages to get a tailwind or some speed passed on it can fuck you up
>Reshiram
Not sure
>MegaSalamence
Too strong for OU, not that strong in Ubers
>Shaymin-Sky
leflinchinghax.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:11:37 No.22850930 Report

Quoted By: >>22850952

>>22850903
Waaaaahhhhhh my precious meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:11:51 No.22850933 Report

Quoted By: >>22850978

>>22850922
>what is switching

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:12:44 No.22850942 Report

Quoted By: >>22850959

>>22850895
Yeah, you're not gonna kill it unless you outspeed it with a scarfed EQ with STAB. And even if you have that ( Lando-T) your opponent is gonna switch it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:14:05 No.22850952 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850930
what does this mean
>>22850928
>deo-d and deo-s
MUH HYPER OFFENSE
>Ho-oh
Ok
objectively wrong
>MegaMawile
>Not sure, it's kinda hard to oneshot it and if it manages to get a tailwind or some speed passed on it can fuck you up
more like sets up an sd and then it plows through every kind of team
>MegaSalamence
>Too strong for OU, not that strong in Ubers
opinion discarded

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:14:18 No.22850956 Report

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>>22850885
Thank you for a sensible reply good sir.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:14:27 No.22850959 Report

Quoted By: >>22850976

>>22850942
pursuit :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:14:35 No.22850960 Report

Quoted By: >>22851007

>>22850753
>Scarf Starmie to deal with Landorus-T
>Not a random bulky water
>Starmie lacks recovery
I would suggest for you to put a rope around your neck, with the other end being tied on a hook or something similar

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:15:55 No.22850973 Report

Quoted By: >>22850986 >>22852032 >>22852173 >>22852730

>>22850928
>not that strong in ubers

Keep in mind Ubers isn't a tier, it's a banlist from OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:16:11 No.22850975 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850928
>>22850903
>>22850819
just run chople ttar scrubs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:16:11 No.22850976 Report

Quoted By: >>22850983 >>22851015 >>22851028

>>22850959
>unironically running pursuit

LEL

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:16:14 No.22850977 Report

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>>22850928
>I don't play ubers

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:16:14 No.22850978 Report

Quoted By: >>22850987

>>22850933
>what are conversations?
>what is continuity?
Why am I having a discussion with someone who clearly has difficulty tying their shoes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:17:01 No.22850983 Report

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>>22850976
I rest my case

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:17:14 No.22850986 Report

Quoted By: >>22850997 >>22851009

>>22850973
Son, it is a tier now.
Thus Mega Raycraycray and Mega Gengar were banned from it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:17:14 No.22850987 Report

Quoted By: >>22851008

>>22850978
Yeah you're just fucking retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:18:06 No.22850997 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850986
>Mega Gengar were banned from it.
please do some research before spouting shit on this glorious board

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:19:30 No.22851007 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850960
>Starmie lacks recovery
well a scarf starmie does at least

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:19:31 No.22851008 Report

Quoted By: >>22851016 >>22851020

>>22850987
People are this stupid. I live on the same planet as people that are this stupid...maybe suicide really is the answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:19:41 No.22851009 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850986
I'm just trying to say "not that strong in ubers" can't be used in an argument over tier placement. That's irrelevant to if something is balanced in Ou or not

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:20:35 No.22851015 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850976
pursuit is a great move, but its not a reason m-gengar should be unbanned lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:20:35 No.22851016 Report

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>>22851008
Are you simply too retarded to know what switching is? Do you just leave your pokemon in to die if it doesn't have a favourable matchup?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:20:43 No.22851020 Report

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>>22851008

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:21:10 No.22851024 Report

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I played Stall on Showdown for a full two years. Got to rank 4 on OU one day but tanked hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:21:37 No.22851028 Report

Quoted By: >>22851045

>>22850976
Oh Mega-Gengar is out? Let me just switch to my pursuiter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:22:47 No.22851042 Report

Quoted By: >>22851146

>>22850842
>Aegislash
You can discuss that
>Arceus-Ice
120 in every stat, is able too boost every stat, viable recovery, refresh, 100 BSP Stab, awesome movepool. Stay in uber
>Blaziken
Is able too boost it's speed stat and act as an offensive threat while being able to maintain momentum with baton pass and pass these boosts. Besides, it is B+ in UBER
>Darkai
OK, this is getting ridiculous now, I just call you a faggot and make it a day

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:23:04 No.22851045 Report

Quoted By: >>22851058

>>22851028
>switch
Gonna have to sac a mon

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:24:52 No.22851058 Report

Quoted By: >>22851082

>>22851045
thats the joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:26:11 No.22851082 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851058
With all the retards in the thread, there was a big chance he was serious

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:29:20 No.22851105 Report

Quoted By: >>22851119 >>22851224

Well, i personally run
Sableye
Tyranitar
Garchomp
M-Aggron
Steelix
and Lando-T
don't know what to make of it overall right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:30:40 No.22851119 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851105
You have a fighting type problem

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:32:29 No.22851141 Report

Quoted By:

STALL IS NOT FUN

ONLY WHAT I FIND FUN IS FUN

IF YOU DISAGREE YOUR AN AUTIST

KILL YOU ARE SELF I DONT WANT TO RUN TAUNT

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:33:04 No.22851146 Report

Quoted By: >>22851221 >>22851228

>>22850819
>>22850903
>>22850865
>>22851042
>>22850928
>>22850898
Aegislash
ORAS added tons of new checks for Aegislash, making it ok in todays OU meta game
Arceus-Ice
Ice fucks over anything. Even god is screwed over
Blaziken (not mega)
Mega-Slowbro
Darkrai
Its Speed tier isnt that great anymore, Mega Slut Bunny screws it over
All Deoxys Form except Attack
Psychic is a shit typing, frail as fuck or no offensive presence
Genesect
Fire Types
M-gengar
Frail as Fuck, needed to stop stall
Ho-oh
Stealth Rocks + T-Tar = gg
MegaMom
MegaGallade or any real bulky hitter
MegaLucario
Bravest Bird, any priority really. Furbaits frail
MegaMawile
Slow as shit. Sucker Punch not reliable
Reshiram
Sucks in Uber. Out classed by Edgyzard
MegaSalamence
Ice Beam :^) No seriously. Any ice type move can kill this thing
Shaymin-Sky
HAHAHAHA *Points to point above*

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:35:07 No.22851164 Report

Quoted By: >>22851213 >>22851228

I got to 1500 elo on OU on two different accounts, but lost against every single stall team I faced, even despite running a dedicated stallbreaker in one battle (I play only hyperoffense for now). Those fat shits easily tank any neutral STAB attack from my 252+Atk/SpA mons (3HKO tops) and heal up while I take damage from Toxic and hazards. Switching into mons with supereffective attacks isn't even an option because they immediatelly switch out into things that tank those as well.
How the fuck do you beat these teams with HO outside of literally reading your opponent's mind? Keep in mind every team I faced had M-Sableye and thus completely invalidated every physical attacker in my teams. I can't even spam a fairy because it would get invariably worn down by everything else on their teams and then it's practically gg.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:37:27 No.22851187 Report

Quoted By:

>Stallfags thinking their playstyle requires any skill
Top fucking kek, I've build and laddered with all team archetypes, and stall is by far the most brainless one to use, all battling knowledge you need is
>does this thing uses special or physical attacks?
and just switch in the appropriate wall, proceed to heal or use status/hazards. On their defense teambuilding does requires some knowledge of the current meta, that is if you plan on making your own team, otherwise just go to smogon RTM and grab the first stall team you find, thats it, even the most braindead sub 1200 shitter can make it to the top 300 with minimum battling knowledge.

HO is not much farther ahead, its basically lead with SO setter and attack-attack-attack, but at least you need to know the right time to switch and what to sac at a certain situation.

Balance is by far the hardest one to play well. From building a team that wont have a crippling weakness to something, to knowing every possible set a mon might be running so you won't lose a would be counter to an unexpected coverage move, it requires a lot more than just knowing the type chart and whether the opposing pokemon is special or physical.

I do think they are all fun in their own way though, just like playing a game on easy mode and curbstomping everything, or playing it on hard and having a great challenge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:40:26 No.22851213 Report

Quoted By: >>22851289

>>22851164
>mgayra with taunt
>mgard with taunt
>sd+taunt talonflame
>subCM keldeo
>lando-i with knock off/focus blast
All of these HO mons literally shit on stall.

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:41:32 No.22851221 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851146
deo-s/d, aegi and m-mawile could use retests

everything else on that list? nah

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:41:45 No.22851224 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851105
kick bunny solos you, with switch outs every chance you get to intimidate

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:42:18 No.22851228 Report

Quoted By: >>22851258

>>22851146
>Reshiram
>Sucks in Uber. Out classed by Edgyzard
see image
>>22851164
that's because you're building ho wrong
you want to stack counters, and use lures to remove those counters, or if you have obscenely powerful attacks with few counters, which is why cube+latios was so good last gen, or double pony

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:46:13 No.22851258 Report

Quoted By: >>22851290

>>22851228
Does this chart really means anything ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:49:10 No.22851289 Report

Quoted By: >>22851311 >>22851357

>>22851213
Used SubCM Keldeo once and it was just as useless as the rest of my team. Couldn't set up on Sableye because priority WoW. Couldn't set up on Quagsire because lolHaze. Couldn't set up on Clefable because Moonblast. Amoonguss shit hot nukage all over it. I can't even sack a useless mon vs Stall to get a free switch because it immediatelly becomes a CM setup bait for either Sableye or Clefable. Predicting switches is practically out of question because you're taking hazard damage along the way, besides there's nothing stopping your opponent from switching along with you.
I swear fighting against stall requires even more patience and knowledge than using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:49:12 No.22851290 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851258
the difference is that resh has superior bulk and typing, and has the capacity to go physical, special or mix

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:52:40 No.22851311 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851289
>Couldn't set up on Sableye because priority WoW
lol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:54:58 No.22851323 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850486
get that skarmbliss shit out of my face

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:55:08 No.22851325 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850486
I do. Most of the time I run a Magnezone or a Goth.

Fuck stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 20:59:46 No.22851357 Report

Quoted By: >>22851383 >>22851422

>>22851289
If you prevent Sabelye from mega evolving then you basically already won since you can get your hazards up. Of course you're not going to beat Clefable and Amoongus one on one, but getting scald burns as they switch in puts enormous pressure. You're just shit. Who the fuck tries to set up on Quagsire when you can just scald?

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:02:19 No.22851377 Report

Quoted By:

My nigga.

Based stall is the most fun way to play.

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:03:01 No.22851383 Report

Quoted By: >>22851399

>>22851357
well sabelye gets priority the turn it mega evolves anyways so thats not a good point

the bigger question here is why are people trying to wil o wisp keldeo

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:04:42 No.22851399 Report

Quoted By: >>22851411

>>22851383
>he doesn't burn special attackers on free turns

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:06:47 No.22851411 Report

Quoted By: >>22851425

>>22851399
well if its specs keldeo instead of CM then sableye is fucked

big risk just to burn keldeo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:07:41 No.22851422 Report

Quoted By: >>22851433 >>22851452

>>22851357
>>prevent Sabelye from mega evolving
>switch into your hazard setter
>Sableye megaevolves and burns it next turn

>>scald burns
>30% chance
I haxed a lot of people with scald burns, but relying on them didn't win me any game vs stall yet.

>>Who the fuck tries to set up on Quagsire when you can just scald?
>Opponent just switches out into Amoonguss or Clefable

Yeah, I suck. But I really don't see any way to defeat a safely played stall team without a dedicated stallbreaker. Englighten me please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:08:12 No.22851425 Report

Quoted By: >>22851442

>>22851411
>free turns
reading comprehension

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:09:41 No.22851433 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851422
>switch to something that takes the wow and force it out
>if it mega evolves, then you can go back to keldeo and get a sub up
>if it doesn't then it will be forced out and you can switch to a hazard setter

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:10:22 No.22851437 Report

Quoted By: >>22851448 >>22851452

I know i will get laughed at for this, but i enjoy using reuniclus as a way to defend against stall. i know that clefable is better in almost every way, but i already had a wish passer.

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称3天肇 !Nr0v3srNfc Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:11:24 No.22851442 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851425
sableye against keldeo isnt a free turn

the original anon was saying he cant sub and set up calm mind on sableye because hes worried about getting burned before getting the sub up

sableye would benefit more from a calm mind against keldeo and even then specs is a 2hko with scald after cm or keldeo gets a free sub

dont get what u dont understand

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:12:04 No.22851448 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851437
>literal sableye setup bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:12:20 No.22851452 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851422
>Thinking Keldeo is a dedicated Stallbreaker

nigga use Mega Houndoom, it literally destroys Stall teams that rely on Sableye

You can even setup in Chanseys face and break it at +4, while nearly everything else gets fucked apart from Unaware Sdef Clefable

>>22851437
>I already had a wish passer
what the fuck does this even mean, CM Clefable doesn't pass wishes, it doesn't even run WishTect

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:15:19 No.22851480 Report

Quoted By: >>22851491 >>22851498

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-210804157

How to Play Against Stall Using Balance

As a side note, my Tentacruel has Haze for setup mons, although Acid Spray is also good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:15:53 No.22851481 Report

Quoted By: >>22851588

Stallfags, you have no rights to defend yourself, for you're all full of bias and autism.

I will only accept defense of Stall from non-Stallfags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:16:36 No.22851491 Report

Quoted By: >>22851500

>>22851480
>Lotta Loyalty's rating: 1220 → 1248 (+28 for winning)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:17:15 No.22851498 Report

Quoted By: >>22851534 >>22851558

>>22851480
>poliwrath
stopped watching right there
i dont care how high of a rating he had, he's retarded inb4 mu bisharp counter just use hippo or quags

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:17:29 No.22851500 Report

Quoted By: >>22851501 >>22851568

>>22851491
>Suspect Test

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:17:51 No.22851501 Report

Quoted By: >>22851527

>>22851500
And all you needed to do was get 3 flinches with Iron Head :^)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:18:40 No.22851508 Report

Quoted By:

Stall is best boy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:20:27 No.22851527 Report

Quoted By: >>22851545

>>22851501
No, all I needed to do was kill Chansey. Bisharp was expendable at that point, so I just used it to weaken Rhyperior so Manectric could sweep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:22:01 No.22851534 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851498
>using quagshit over based wrath

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:23:19 No.22851545 Report

Quoted By: >>22851614

>>22851527
And the other player was fucking retarded for keeping Chansey in on Bisharp just to get the Aromatherapy off when Sableye was expendable anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:24:36 No.22851558 Report

Quoted By: >>22851596

>>22851498
Do you even know how Poliwrath works? Hippo isn't the same type coverage, and Quag has a different role.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:25:35 No.22851568 Report

Quoted By: >>22851614

>>22851500
User: lotta loyalty
ou 1415 77 1727 ± 70 -- 27 8 0
>1415

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:27:58 No.22851588 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851481
Only reason I would even defend stall is so fags who are new to competitive can see what the metas like without getting absolutely curbstomped, then when they actually feel brave to pull off the real plays, they can work their way to balance or continue being fags who think it'll be an easy win until they get beaten repeatedly and use their brains to fix the team sets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:28:56 No.22851596 Report

Quoted By: >>22851627

>>22851558
um nigga both cover bisharp, and quags recovery, i fail to see the reasoning behind it. suicune or chesnaught would have worked better than poliwrath

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:31:21 No.22851614 Report

Quoted By: >>22851637

>>22851545
You don't get it. He was predicting my Pursuit again, which is why I went for the Knock Off.

>>22851568
I shouldn't be getting into this because I know how these things go, but why do you insist on using numbers to evaluate rather than actual performance? Look at the total number of battles...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:32:50 No.22851624 Report

Quoted By: >>22851734

>>22850599
>Taunt
>DDance
>Earthquake
Yeah no.
90% of Fero run Gyroball/leech seed/stealth rock/knock off so it can't do shit to bulky Megados.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:33:04 No.22851627 Report

Quoted By: >>22851638

>>22851596
poli has the coverage of both and actually phazes shit out

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:34:10 No.22851637 Report

Quoted By: >>22851665

>>22851614
There is no need to predict the pursuit. He can get a softboiled off on literally every other member of your team. Your opponent is just retarded for risking Chansey on such a prediction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:34:11 No.22851638 Report

Quoted By: >>22851692

>>22851627
chesnaught can phaze, set spikes, leech seed, and isnt a shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:37:08 No.22851665 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851637
>He can get a softboiled off on literally every other member of your team.
No shit, that's what he was trying to do, while trying not to lose something else, or did you not notice all the pivoting I did in prediction of this? That's why he tried to make predictions of his own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:39:58 No.22851692 Report

Quoted By: >>22851720

>>22851638
chesnaught doesn't phaze, unless you run roar but no one does that

and funny how you say its not a shitmon when a huge chunk of the community used to laugh at players who used it, but when someone uses a poli theres no excuse for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:40:02 No.22851694 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850486

Stall is best if you're at the top of the ladder because of how safe (and deadly in the hands of a good player) it is.

It's terrible if you're a mid level player though because laddering like that is tedious, even if you win alot since every fight will average like 60 turns.

Another weakness I imagine of a regular player using stall is that the longer a game drags out, the more your tendencies will become clear to an opponent that they might not be able to take advantage of if they'd been defeated 20 turns ago.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:40:37 No.22851702 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850486

I fucking love stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:42:54 No.22851720 Report

Quoted By: >>22851749 >>22851760

>>22851692
>chesnaught doesn't phaze, unless you run roar but no one does that
leech/spikes/roar/attack
inb4 muh spiky shield

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:44:53 No.22851734 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851624

Ferro's gyroball is nothing to play around with. Especially if you're dancing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:46:17 No.22851749 Report

Quoted By: >>22851796

>>22851720
of course spiky shield, what you said is standard set (drain punch) with roar plugged in over shield for the sake of argument

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:46:40 No.22851756 Report

Quoted By:

>This obvious of bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:47:21 No.22851760 Report

Quoted By: >>22851796

>>22851720
How about taunt? You weren't in before taunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:47:54 No.22851765 Report

Quoted By: >>22851776

>>22850599
>hidden power fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:49:58 No.22851776 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851765

protect to scout the surprises :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:52:08 No.22851796 Report

Quoted By: >>22851813 >>22851835

>>22851760
taunt seems pretty good if you have space for it
>>22851749
spiky shield is shit m8, no one is gonna use phys moves on naught anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:55:09 No.22851813 Report

Quoted By: >>22851904

>>22851796

spiky shield's usefulness is not tied to its damage you fucking tool. it's protect with a secondary effect. it's for stalling and scouting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 21:57:39 No.22851835 Report

Quoted By: >>22851904

>>22851796
its not just about the phys moves...
its for scouting and racking up leech seed gains
if you call that shit I cant fathom how you approve of roar since leech seed in the same set conflicts with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 22:07:57 No.22851904 Report

Quoted By:

>>22851835
>you need to use every move in a set on whatever mon is out
>>22851813
except roar is more useful

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 22:22:54 No.22852032 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850973
>ubers isn't a tier
.
Kek.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 22:30:12 No.22852105 Report

Quoted By:

Stall/Control is awful in any game that enables it.

It's why I stopped playing MtG

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 22:31:50 No.22852130 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850624
Enjoying being a dick just means you're enjoying being a dick. Some people can't help it. My name is Richard, I was born a dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 22:37:34 No.22852173 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850973
Ubers has been a tier since late Gen 5, newfag

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Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 22:44:42 No.22852227 Report

Quoted By: >>22852279

Users is not a balanced tier at least.

You can't play seriously when 97.4% teams have Proudon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 22:49:59 No.22852279 Report

Quoted By:

>>22852227
OU is not a balanced tier at least.
You can't play seriously when 99% of teams have sneaky pebbles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Feb 2015 23:46:23 No.22852730 Report

Quoted By:

>>22850973
>Keep in mind Ubers isn't a tier
There are people on /vp/ RIGHT NOW that think this.

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