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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:11:40 No.29772234 View View Reply Original Report

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Would you say this chart is accurate? If not what would you change?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:13:16 No.29772268 Report

Quoted By: >>29772338 >>29773661

>>29772234
Guzzlord has a good design, but it's trash outside of its HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:13:18 No.29772270 Report

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Competitively? I thought Tsareena and Guzzlord were pretty crappy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:14:43 No.29772294 Report

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>>29772234
>Guzzlord
>Good
Bulk Up and Swallow does not save this thing. Not one bit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:14:50 No.29772296 Report

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I think wishiwashi might be good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:15:02 No.29772300 Report

Quoted By: >>29772338

Is komala confirmed shit?

Norp

Norp Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:15:47 No.29772316 Report

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>>29772234
Incineroar is decent, it has good bulk and intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:16:03 No.29772321 Report

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I would add Lurantis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:16:50 No.29772334 Report

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>>29772234
Guzzlord is basically a bigger Drifblim

he's cute but has nothing going for him stats-wise

also Shiinotic might be good since Strength Sap is insane

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:17:22 No.29772338 Report

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>>29772268
>>29772268
>>29772294
Understood.
>>29772300
Actually might need to be added. Komala, while not anything insane, is pretty reasonable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:17:28 No.29772339 Report

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>>29772234
rhibombee is a meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:17:44 No.29772344 Report

Quoted By: >>29772450

How the fuck is the origami UB not on there? It looks like the most OP one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:17:56 No.29772350 Report

Quoted By: >>29772363 >>29772370

Of course it's not accurate. Where's Lycanroc?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:17:59 No.29772352 Report

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>>29772321
But it's just a worse Serperior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:18:10 No.29772356 Report

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Ninetales is gonna be good senpai wait and watch her laugh at you from behind the hail stall wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:18:21 No.29772360 Report

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>>29772234
>Guzzlord
>Not papercut UB

Anon what the actual fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:18:28 No.29772363 Report

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>>29772350
middle top

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:19:02 No.29772370 Report

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>>29772350
Top center, you blind fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:19:20 No.29772375 Report

Quoted By: >>29772389

Add Null with Eviolite, Celesteel, and the origami UB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:19:29 No.29772377 Report

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NINEHAILS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:19:49 No.29772385 Report

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>>29772363
>>29772370
Maybe he means Midnight form

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:20:03 No.29772389 Report

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>>29772375
>eviolite
anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:20:42 No.29772399 Report

Quoted By: >>29772789

>>29772385
But Midnight form is shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:22:32 No.29772436 Report

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Was working the polls today wasn't able to see leaks. Where can I find all the stats of all the gen 7 Pokémon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:23:03 No.29772444 Report

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>>29772234
Kommo-o's move pool is a bad joke, dude.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:23:10 No.29772450 Report

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>>29772344
>>29772360

Probably because it has paper-thin defenses!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:23:59 No.29772464 Report

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Update, thoughts?

Sorry for the non pokedex order.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:25:05 No.29772482 Report

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>>29772464
Yeah, you're good. I agree with this list, give or take a couple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:25:29 No.29772492 Report

Quoted By: >>29772566 >>29772574

I thought Golisopod was confirmed shitty because of Emergency Exit?

What's wrong with Toucannon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:25:43 No.29772501 Report

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>>29772464
rhibombee is literally just alolan ninjask

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:25:51 No.29772504 Report

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>>29772444
I wish Gamefreak would stop with the shit movepools.
Gen 5 suffered massively for it IMO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:26:51 No.29772522 Report

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>>29772464
Looks solid for the most part. But don't count Primarina out; it's got great SPA and SPD, and a solid movepool. And honestly, I don't think Bruxish is too bad either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:27:31 No.29772535 Report

Quoted By: >>29772566

>>29772464

why the Koala??

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:28:50 No.29772560 Report

Quoted By: >>29772576

>>29772464
What about silvally?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:29:02 No.29772566 Report

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>>29772492
Actually its signature move is a bug extreme speed that works only on the first turn it is in battle, might not be terrible. Also I may be wrong but I believe emergency exit might also affect the opponent's pokemon, probably wrong though.
>>29772535
Immune to all status effects with decent stats. While not OU material probably it definitely is far from shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:29:18 No.29772571 Report

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>>29772234
So whats up with all these pokemon with, like, ExoskeltonShields they can close up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:29:29 No.29772574 Report

Quoted By: >>29773837

>>29772492
Emergency Exit could actually be very good since it has the stats and typing to take almost no damage from a lot of mons, and it's basically a free pivot after smacking the opponent with one of several priority moves.

Toucannon has bad Speed and bad defenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:29:46 No.29772576 Report

Quoted By: >>29772595

>>29772560
It's nothing. 95 in all stats isn't good enough. Being mediocre at everything doesn't add up to greatness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:30:01 No.29772578 Report

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>>29772450
forgot "special"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:30:38 No.29772595 Report

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>>29772576
It has a great movepool though, plus a lot of mons with 100 in everything do great in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:31:01 No.29772606 Report

Quoted By: >>29772632 >>29772653 >>29772732

>>29772234
Kartana and Tapu Koko are the new gods. I bet there will be at least one of these two on every team in ranked battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:31:54 No.29772631 Report

Quoted By: >>29772669 >>29773096

>>29772464
Where's my mushroom boy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:31:54 No.29772632 Report

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>>29772606
>not the mon with a godly defensive typing and free status immunity for your whole team

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:32:08 No.29772639 Report

Quoted By: >>29772669

>>29772464
Consider Drampa

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:33:20 No.29772653 Report

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>>29772606
>Tapu Koko

Not while being an ELECTRICAL PHYSICAL mon whose best STAB is Wild Charge and doesn't even learn fucking Play Rough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:33:32 No.29772658 Report

Quoted By: >>29772834

>>29772234
I thought Drampa sounded fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:33:57 No.29772669 Report

Quoted By: >>29772720 >>29772761

>>29772631
>>29772639
I admit to knowing little on these two, may I ask why you would feel they deserve a mention?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:35:46 No.29772700 Report

Quoted By: >>29772715 >>29772739 >>29774419

Does he have a chance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:36:25 No.29772715 Report

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>>29772700
no

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:36:28 No.29772720 Report

Quoted By: >>29772768

>>29772669
Shiinotic has that access to spore and has Strength Sap which looks like it could potentially be really good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:36:59 No.29772732 Report

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>>29772606
Kartana's uber for sure, it's not on the same playing field. Are we counting ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:37:30 No.29772739 Report

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>>29772700
yes

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:37:34 No.29772741 Report

Quoted By: >>29772844

YFW Alola mons are actually powerful in general, as all other mons are being checked and balanced. GF does what people want but because you faggots actually don'w like change you still bitch. This new meta will be balanced more thought out and most importantly FUN. Have fun enjoying the game like everyone else will you fucking babies.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:38:40 No.29772761 Report

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>>29772669
It has respectable bulk and the move variety that Normal mons have with an actually good Sp.A to take advantage of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:38:44 No.29772766 Report

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>>29772450
So does Deoxys-A.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:38:56 No.29772768 Report

Quoted By: >>29772835

>>29772720
Strength Sap is gonna be fucking crazy. Imagine using it in Doubles with an ally that doesn't care about the attack drop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:39:12 No.29772775 Report

Quoted By: >>29772809 >>29772851 >>29773270

>>29772234
So what does Mimikyu actually DO? I'm aware that it has a cool ability, good typing and stats that somehow avoided being as bad as most Alolan Pokemon, but what do you use it for? What kinds of things does it kill/support?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:39:47 No.29772789 Report

Quoted By: >>29772830 >>29772844 >>29773027

>>29772399
>No Guard
>Stone Edge
It's not shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:40:16 No.29772799 Report

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>>29772464
Alolan Raichu?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:40:43 No.29772809 Report

Quoted By: >>29773011 >>29774125

>>29772775
Potential sweeper. Attack and speed are surprisingly high, also gets sword dance and bulk up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:41:29 No.29772830 Report

Quoted By: >>29772857

>>29772789
>gets fucked by fighting and ground moves before it even gets the chance

It's shit. Maybe if it had like 140 attack instead of measly 115 it would be usable with Choice Scarf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:41:50 No.29772834 Report

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>>29772658
Me too, but I was wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:41:50 No.29772835 Report

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>>29772768
oh shit, i didn't even consider that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:42:05 No.29772843 Report

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>>29772761
Might use one of those in game if I still have a slot on the team since it looks kind of later game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:42:09 No.29772844 Report

Quoted By: >>29772857 >>29772902

>>29772741
The new pokemon are on borrowed time until Bank goes live for SM. The old pokemon will instantly outclass most of the best Alola mon.
>>29772789
It's slow and not powerful enough to be a Scarf sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:42:46 No.29772851 Report

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>>29772775
Ghost/Fairy is resisted by literally only Litleo and Pyroar (unless a new type combo introduced this gen also resists it). Combine that with access to SD, Bulk Up, and Hone Claws, as well as Wood Hammer, Leech Life, priority, et cetera...Mimikyu is actually really solid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:42:59 No.29772857 Report

Quoted By: >>29772890 >>29772907

>>29772830
>>29772844
You clearly have no clue about how strong and useful SE is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:42:59 No.29772858 Report

Quoted By: >>29772869

Anyone got komalas stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:43:30 No.29772869 Report

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>>29772858
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:44:30 No.29772890 Report

Quoted By: >>29772959

>>29772857
It is strong and useful. If you can actually get it off without getting 1 or 2HKO'd. Which this will have a hard time doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:44:48 No.29772895 Report

Quoted By: >>29772927

>>29772234
What can lycanroc even do? It's stats are usable but it doesn't learn anything but Stone Edge and Accelrock.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:45:08 No.29772902 Report

Quoted By: >>29772934 >>29772976 >>29772986 >>29773054

>>29772844
Old mons will be banned. Anything not caught in Alola will not be permitted in competitive battle. Have fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:45:14 No.29772907 Report

Quoted By: >>29772959

>>29772857
You clearly have no clue how OU works. Midnight Lycanroc needs the Scarf. It only has 115 ATK. Even with STAB and Stone Edge that's not enough of a threat in OU to justify using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:45:43 No.29772922 Report

Quoted By: >>29772932

What are the odds that fucking fairy bee ends up being the best non-UB/Tapu mon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:45:52 No.29772927 Report

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>>29772895
It goes first, comes close to OHKOing the opponent, then is OHKOed. Partner of the year all years am I right

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:46:16 No.29772932 Report

Quoted By: >>29773055

>>29772922
0

it's shit really

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:46:16 No.29772934 Report

Quoted By: >>29772982

>>29772902
Keep dreaming, SuMotherfucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:47:29 No.29772959 Report

Quoted By: >>29773105 >>29773169 >>29775179

>>29772890
Stone Edge was enough to make Aerodactyl UU, a pokemon with less bulk and attack.

>>29772907
A pokemon doesn't have to be OU to be good. Thinking about it No Guard would also help it in Doubles since it gets to spam 100% accurate Rock Slide and passively helping its team mate with its ability.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:48:05 No.29772974 Report

Quoted By: >>29772995 >>29773024 >>29773064

Update 2, interested in reactions.

What Alola forms should be added? Heard golem seems solid with its new HA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:48:11 No.29772976 Report

Quoted By: >>29773010

>>29772902
They sell mega stones though. Can't wait to get to post game and roll over everyone online with post-nerf Gengar.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:48:27 No.29772982 Report

Quoted By: >>29773020 >>29773054

>>29772934
Reality is here. Give it a look up. Your Speed Sweeper or Tankmon meta is over. Moves will be more decisive and more strategies will come forth. Why is diversity in the game state so bad to people?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:48:33 No.29772986 Report

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>>29772902
Anything not in the Alola Dex*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:48:50 No.29772993 Report

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>>29772234
Needs the psychic gorilla chimp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:48:55 No.29772995 Report

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>>29772974
Raichu, Golem, Ninetails

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:49:33 No.29773007 Report

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>>29772234
Incineroar will be good in doubles as a bulky support mon thanks to WoW and Intimidate.
It occupies the same niche that Arcanine, a top tier mon has currently, but with better typing and Fake Out.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:49:36 No.29773010 Report

Quoted By: >>29773047 >>29773054

>>29772976
Megas aren't permitted either. It's almost as if you people didn't read the new rules for VGC 2017.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:49:39 No.29773011 Report

Quoted By: >>29773085

>>29772809
I don't think you know what a sweeper is

>>29772761
It has less bulk than latios and goodra, that's not very respectable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:50:01 No.29773020 Report

Quoted By: >>29773166

>>29772982
>reduce options
>add diversity
Hahaha! Oh wow!
Keep dreaming, SuMotherfucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:50:16 No.29773024 Report

Quoted By: >>29773033

>>29772974
persian

dugtrio

exeggutor

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:50:23 No.29773027 Report

Quoted By: >>29773057

>>29772789
>No speed
>No guard also effects defense
>Shitty typing
yeah so good :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:50:37 No.29773033 Report

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>>29773024
Explain why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:50:45 No.29773037 Report

Quoted By: >>29773058

>>29772464
Where is Magearna?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:51:02 No.29773047 Report

Quoted By: >>29773075 >>29773098 >>29774641

>>29773010
I'm sticking by my statement. Gengar alone without mega evos can roll over every single new non-legendary Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:51:34 No.29773054 Report

Quoted By: >>29773098

>>29772902
>>29772982
>>29773010
Nice thumbnails, homo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:51:39 No.29773055 Report

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>>29772932
I dunno about that. Bug/Fairy/Grass coverage hits a lot of things decently hard, especially with Quiver Dance boosts. Ribombe is fast as all get-out, too, so it can net some handy KOs against common threats like Lati@s.

Besides, in doubles, Pollen Puff is an amazing utility move, functioning as either a Bug Buzz or Heal Pulse, and Sweet Veil is an amazing ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:51:40 No.29773057 Report

Quoted By: >>29773103 >>29773110 >>29773209

>>29773027
>No speed
Enough to be a viable scarf user.
>No guard also effects defense
What?
>Shitty typing
Rock has always been a great offensive type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:51:41 No.29773058 Report

Quoted By: >>29773081

>>29773037
Not on there because it's shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:52:00 No.29773064 Report

Quoted By: >>29773084 >>29773097

>>29772974
Alolan Ninetails is going to be good because of snow warning+ aurora veil, absolutely core if you intend to run hail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:52:39 No.29773075 Report

Quoted By: >>29773112

>>29773047
Gengar lost Levitate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:52:53 No.29773081 Report

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>>29773058
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:52:58 No.29773084 Report

Quoted By: >>29773133 >>29773146

>>29773064
Snow Warning has never been good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:52:59 No.29773085 Report

Quoted By: >>29773148

>>29773011
>Comparing an attacker to walls, the best ones of the typing at that

whew lade

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:53:29 No.29773096 Report

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>>29772631
sitting with its shit 405 BST

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:53:32 No.29773097 Report

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>>29773064
seconded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:53:33 No.29773098 Report

Quoted By: >>29773135 >>29773159

>>29773054
Nice rebuttal big boi.
>>29773047
Nothing wrong with that. Hoping new HA Crobat can combo well with Salandit's evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:53:43 No.29773103 Report

Quoted By: >>29773179

>>29773057

No Guard makes it Focus Blast bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:53:48 No.29773105 Report

Quoted By: >>29773179

>>29772959
And much better speed and typing.
Midnight doggo is shit, get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:53:58 No.29773110 Report

Quoted By: >>29773179

>>29773057
No guard means everything will always hit it on the receiving end

Also having a good offensive typing =! a good typing, otherwise Ice and Rock mons would be more common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:54:08 No.29773112 Report

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>>29773075
The only Pokemon that could hit him fast enough with an EQ is Dugtrio, and even then you're guaranteed a free switch if the Dugtrio is dumb enough to stay in and use it.

So yeah remove that 1 check and Gengar rolls over everything.

Sexyloser

Sexyloser Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:54:36 No.29773127 Report

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Kartana and tapu koko and pink tapu koko. Maybe purple tapu koko too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:54:50 No.29773133 Report

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>>29773084
You are dumb. It's never been on a good Pokemon that can utilize it effectively. Ninetales has the speed and moves to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:54:56 No.29773135 Report

Quoted By: >>29773188 >>29773190

>>29773098
New HA Crobat? This is news to me. What is it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:55:25 No.29773146 Report

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>>29773084
Because it didn't have a swift swim equivalent. Now we have slush rush 130 base attack beartic to consider.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:55:26 No.29773148 Report

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>>29773085
Except I very obviously did that to highlight the fact that it has shit bulk you incompetent moron

I don't understand why people think that a pokemon with under 100 defenses qualifies as bulky by any measure. The only exception is Porygon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:56:02 No.29773159 Report

Quoted By: >>29773230

>>29773098
Where did you see new HAs on old Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:56:18 No.29773163 Report

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OBVIOUSLY the only GOOD Pokemon is Trubbish. All the rest are awful. They always have been, and they always will be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:56:23 No.29773166 Report

Quoted By: >>29773232

>>29773020
>Reduce options
How so? There will still be speedy sweepers, and tankmon. More diversity will be added. And everyone will use what they want when they see it works. But for now keep thinking you know what you're talking about!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:56:28 No.29773169 Report

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>>29772959
>Stone Edge was enough to make Aerodactyl UU, a pokemon with less bulk and attack.
Maybe it had something to do with that 130 speed stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:57:01 No.29773179 Report

Quoted By: >>29773203 >>29773213

>>29773103
Thankfully the game allows you to carry six Pokemon.
>>29773105
Aerodactyl's flying type is pretty useless, he has no stabs and immunity to Ground doesn't help since everything can 1shot it anyway.
>>29773110
Having a good offensive typing is having a good typing if the pokemon in question is an attacker, see Weavile and Terrakion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:57:33 No.29773188 Report

Quoted By: >>29773245

>>29773135
Crobat with Merciless?
Deals more damage to poisoned pokes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:57:37 No.29773190 Report

Quoted By: >>29773245

>>29773135
Infiltrator is now a normal ability, and it gets a Merciless as its HA.

Merciless, FYI, makes any attack on a poisoned mon auto-crit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:57:37 No.29773191 Report

Quoted By: >>29773218 >>29773242 >>29773266

I think Mudsdale is pretty good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:58:03 No.29773203 Report

Quoted By: >>29773207

>>29773179
And why the fuck would I make verlisrock one of those six when it's a liability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:58:31 No.29773205 Report

Quoted By: >>29773231

I still think Sylvally and Primarina aren't shit, maybe not OU material, but definitely on UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:58:37 No.29773207 Report

Quoted By: >>29773261 >>29773267

>>29773203
Guaranteed Stone Edge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:58:39 No.29773209 Report

Quoted By: >>29773226 >>29773305

>>29773057
No guard means focas blasts, hydro pump, will never miss edgewolf

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:58:53 No.29773213 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773179
>Weavile and Terrakion
These two have something in common that Nightman doesn't. It starts with Sp and rhymes with seed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:59:19 No.29773218 Report

Quoted By: >>29773254

>>29773191
Mudsdale is shit you fucking horsefucker

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:59:39 No.29773226 Report

Quoted By: >>29773302 >>29773313 >>29773333 >>29773350

>>29773209
All very rare moves. Switching out is an option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:59:48 No.29773230 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773159
Another leak here. No photo evidence on me so I guess you can take it as bullshit....

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:59:53 No.29773231 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773205
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 03:59:54 No.29773232 Report

Quoted By: >>29773314

>>29773166
>way less pokemon
>everything is slow as fuck except for a small handful that are OP as fuck
>more diversity
Are you actually retarded or just pretending?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:00:06 No.29773238 Report

Quoted By: >>29773295 >>29773296 >>29773324 >>29774396 >>29774565 >>29775956

Final(?) update, alola edition.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:00:12 No.29773242 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773191
Before I tell you why you're wrong, please tell me why you think that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:00:24 No.29773245 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773190
>>29773188
That is amazing. I love Crobat even more and he was already my favorite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:00:58 No.29773254 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773218
>100/100/85 defenses
>125 attack
>gets Earthquake and Superpower
literally perfect for an Assault Vest set

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:01:07 No.29773261 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773207
Whoopty fucking doo, it's not fast or strong enough to matter or make up for getting OHKOd by everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:01:20 No.29773266 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773191
Mudsale is only okay ingame, it looks like it'll be shit in competitve

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:01:28 No.29773267 Report

Quoted By: >>29773286

>>29773207
Guaranteed Hydro-pump and Focas-miss on Furryrock

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:01:34 No.29773270 Report

Quoted By:

>>29772775
I think it'll be good at checking set up sweepers. It's ability will let it take a hit, and then it can T-wave/Destiny Bond/Will-O-Wisp it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:01:55 No.29773275 Report

Quoted By: >>29773792 >>29773811 >>29773831

I think Mudsdale is pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:02:26 No.29773286 Report

Quoted By: >>29773574

>>29773267
Switch out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:02:40 No.29773295 Report

Quoted By: >>29773353

>>29773238
Stop adding shitmon just because one idiot said to. Your chart is worthless since you don't actually know anything about these pokemon or competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:02:41 No.29773296 Report

Quoted By: >>29773345 >>29773359

>>29773238
How is Minior not a shitty version of Aerodactyl?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:02:56 No.29773302 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773226
>All very rare moves
T. Someone who doesn't play any competitive.
>Switching out is an option
So is using something better

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:03:12 No.29773305 Report

Quoted By: >>29773359 >>29773367 >>29773497

>>29773209
I feel like what a lot of people are missing is the fact that you're not supposed to keep Lycanroc in on something with Hydro Pump.

M-Pidgeot isn't shit just because Thunder exists. The moves one Pokémon can't deal with ought to be handled by at least 1 of the other 5 members of your team.

It's like when everyone was saying Decidueye was shit back when we thought it was still a flying type, just because it was double weak to Ice Beam. Just like how Quagsire is 4x weak to Grass, which means it could not ever be viable.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:03:33 No.29773313 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773226
>Focus Blast
>very rare

And the best part is even weaker moves will OHKO it with its shitty bulk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:03:35 No.29773314 Report

Quoted By: >>29773356 >>29773394

>>29773232
>Implying you used even 10% of what was available before
>implying a meta where more of what's available is now viable is bad
>Implying new strategies other than this guy is fast and this guy is beefy are also bad

How can someone pretend to be retarded when they're actually making sense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:04:13 No.29773324 Report

Quoted By: >>29773420

>>29773238
Why is Shiinotic on here?
I like it's design but it's essentially just a Whimsicott with no Prankster

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:04:39 No.29773333 Report

Quoted By: >>29773388

>>29773226
you know what move isnt rare?
SCALD, that slow counter using emobitch will be destroyed by a fucking luvdisc

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:05:16 No.29773345 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773296
Aerodactyl doesn't get Shell Smash, with solid set-up bulk before shifting into offense mode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:05:24 No.29773350 Report

Quoted By: >>29773388

>>29773226
>Hydro Pump is rare
Right I never see Washer Rotom ever :^)
>Focus Blast is rare
Of course, no one runs fighting moves for coverage :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:05:31 No.29773353 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773295
This list is simply to list what pokemon appear to have the most potential. Obviously nothing here is set in stone, I made this simply out of interest in hearing others thoughts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:05:40 No.29773356 Report

Quoted By: >>29773475

>>29773314
>implying making 90% of the pokemon shit will discourage people from using the 10% that are good
Why the fuck would people use the shitty new pokemon when there are a small handful that are way better? All this accomplishes is reducing the number of viable pokemon and making the meta even more concentrated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:06:01 No.29773359 Report

Quoted By: >>29773527

>>29773296
It gets Shell Smash

>>29773305
Mega Pidgeot is fast and hits harder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:06:20 No.29773367 Report

Quoted By: >>29773426 >>29773527

>>29773305
mega pidgeot doest have a negative priority move like counter as its main moves, also mega jesus is not outsped by fucking molasses

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:07:01 No.29773388 Report

Quoted By: >>29773436

>>29773333
Tons of UU and OU Pokemon are weak to Scald.

>>29773350
Focus Blast is mostly used by shitmons who have no better alternatives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:07:17 No.29773394 Report

Quoted By: >>29773490

>>29773314
Are people just forgetting you can now Z-move into a trick room?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:08:26 No.29773420 Report

Quoted By: >>29773463

>>29773324
Strength Sap

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:08:31 No.29773421 Report

Quoted By:

How is Tsareena any good? I am so confused

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:08:45 No.29773426 Report

Quoted By: >>29773507

>>29773367
>main moves
What does this mean? You're not forced to use counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:09:10 No.29773436 Report

Quoted By: >>29773502

>>29773388
Right, like Gengar and every other special mon than can't learn anything else to cover steels and ttar :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:10:14 No.29773463 Report

Quoted By: >>29773510

>>29773420
What does it do? I can't find a list of all the new moves anywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:10:50 No.29773475 Report

Quoted By: >>29773615

>>29773356
So wait what if the 10% of poke'mon were better would be limited usage, or all out banned? Merely speculation at that point, but aren't you also speculating. Based on the rules set in stone. GF intends on making this a more balanced and varied meta. You can think what you want to. But you'll be among the rest playing the meta when it comes out regardless of what happens. And judging by your respones you'll also be among the many bitching for no apparent reason. Play what you want if you can, that's why poke'mon is fun. But at the end of the day, if you truly believe that that's what the meta will become then you might just be retarded, I so far have seen nothing as over powered as the primals and nothing without potential either so why wouldn't anyone compete with it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:11:08 No.29773480 Report

Quoted By: >>29773526

>>29772234
Give me a single reason why Tsareena isn't completely outclassed by Serperior in every single way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:11:39 No.29773490 Report

Quoted By: >>29773534

>>29773394
Explain

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:11:53 No.29773497 Report

Quoted By: >>29773542 >>29773690

>>29773305
>I feel like what a lot of people are missing is the fact that you're not supposed to keep Lycanroc in on something with Hydro Pump
No, we're suggesting there's better options for scrafed revenge killers than a mono rock type with middling stats and an okay ability and you're going full autism about it's weaknesses don't matter that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:12:11 No.29773502 Report

Quoted By: >>29773525 >>29773545

>>29773436
As I said, Focus Blast isn't very common, and if you're facing something that could use it you can switch out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:12:20 No.29773507 Report

Quoted By: >>29773547

>>29773426
then there is literally no reason to not go for the faster doge with accelerock and better abilities.

thats all sanicrock has, counter, slightly more bulk (while losing speed) and no-guard

Rock types are great offensively, not defensively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:12:32 No.29773510 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773463
Heals Shiinotic for as much as the target's attack and then lowers the target's attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:13:13 No.29773525 Report

Quoted By: >>29773547

>>29773502
Even then, Midnight Lycanroc is completely outclassed by its sibling, who can use a Choice Band. a 20% chance to miss really isn't that bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:13:16 No.29773526 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773480
legs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:13:19 No.29773527 Report

Quoted By: >>29773541

>>29773359
>>29773367
Base 82 speed is fine for a scarf mon. Run max attack with an Adamant nature for maximum offensive power.

It's not the best by any means, but it's decent. Just because a Pokémon has weaknesses isn't enough to make it objectively bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:13:49 No.29773532 Report

Quoted By:

>>29772234

>not shitty Alola club is filled with bugs and fairies

Excellent

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:13:58 No.29773534 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773490
Not him but a while ago I remember seeing an anon say he used a Z-move off trick room, had it have normal priority and trigger trick room immediately after. Might be bullshit, but I don't know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:14:18 No.29773541 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773527
No, but if a Pokemon's strengths aren't useful compared to other Pokemon, there's no reason to put up with its additional weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:14:18 No.29773542 Report

Quoted By: >>29773581

>>29773497
>>29773497
Banded sun doge > Scarfed edge doge

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:14:23 No.29773545 Report

Quoted By: >>29773573

>>29773502
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/moves/focus_blast/

As of ORAS this is everything that can run FB, alot of pokemon use it as a coverage move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:14:37 No.29773547 Report

Quoted By: >>29773566

>>29773507
This is why I'm saying that moon Lycanroc should run Scarf.

>>29773525
>a 20% chance to miss really isn't that bad
It is for a frail pokemon like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:15:32 No.29773566 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773547
80% chance to be actually impactful is better than a 100% chance to fall short.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:15:46 No.29773573 Report

Quoted By: >>29773588 >>29773601 >>29773652

>>29773545
>alot of pokemon use it as a coverage move
But only a small selection of them is relevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:15:48 No.29773574 Report

Quoted By: >>29773590

>>29773286
Switch from Moon to Sun

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:16:25 No.29773581 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773542
That's what I'm saying. No guard stone edge isn't all that amazing when you have to scarf to use it and there is already a form with good speed and a decent movepool that can already outperform it.

I mean fuck, 80% accuracy never stopped people from running Hydro Pump, Focus Blast, or Fire Blast before has it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:16:53 No.29773588 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773573
>relevant
unlike moon dog

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:17:02 No.29773590 Report

Quoted By: >>29773638

>>29773574
You can have both on a single game.
Looks like there are two basic concept that /vp/ will never understand; switching out and trading.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:17:32 No.29773601 Report

Quoted By: >>29773618

>>29773573
Yeah none of those are like commonly seen in OU or UU or anything like that :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:18:23 No.29773615 Report

Quoted By: >>29773682

>>29773475
What you're suggesting are the things that kill metas. And they're things that have no logical means of implementation since they're just needlessly complicated and impractical, which are simply not compatible with a game made for children. You clearly have no idea how any of this works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:18:26 No.29773618 Report

Quoted By: >>29773674

>>29773601
Only a small selection is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:19:20 No.29773638 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773590
I meant Moon bitch and Sun doge, my bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:19:56 No.29773652 Report

Quoted By: >>29773675 >>29773678

>>29773573
Riddle me this anon. Since smogonbird is dead, No Guard Machamp is relevant again, as priority flying was the main thing keeping it out of OU, and it gets stone edge and better moves like dynamic punch and bullet punch.

Why is it worth my time using edgelord dog over Machamp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:20:19 No.29773661 Report

Quoted By:

>>29772268

Max HP Guzzlord with a little defense investment can survive a Mega Lopunny Hi Jump Kick. It's not great and the 4x Fairy weak hurts it, but it's not Wailord tier bad like some people have said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:21:01 No.29773674 Report

Quoted By: >>29773701

>>29773618
Right, because so many pokemon are viable in OU :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:21:02 No.29773675 Report

Quoted By: >>29773702 >>29773733

>>29773652
Typing, speed tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:21:08 No.29773678 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773652
Its not :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:21:26 No.29773682 Report

Quoted By: >>29773827

>>29773615
So for what reason do you think gamefreak wouldn't push toward a more varied meta? Though it's in the rules. But I guess that means nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:21:58 No.29773690 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773497
The anon you're referring to as "going full autism" and I different people, but that's beside the point. And to be quite honest, I came into the middle of the conversation and just wanted to throw my two cents in.

Regardless, if you want to point out an actually large flaw with Lycanroc-Night, I think it's biggest issue is the lack of coverage. It gets Rock and Dark moves, pretty much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:22:25 No.29773698 Report

Quoted By:

>>29772450

It has 109 speed and massive physical defense meaning priority outside of Vacuum Wave can't fucking touch it. It's only drawbacks are that it has no high BP moves but it's still a threat to watch out for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:22:29 No.29773701 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773674
So you're basically telling me that only a very small selection of pokemon carry Focus Blast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:22:32 No.29773702 Report

Quoted By: >>29773733

>>29773675
>Typing
Fighting > Rock
>speed tier
Bullet punch, plus Bullet Punch checks one of it's primary weaknesses

I'll ask again, why should I use shitdog over Machamp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:24:19 No.29773733 Report

Quoted By: >>29773806 >>29773846

>>29773702
>Fighting > Rock
Not really.
>Bullet punch, plus Bullet Punch checks one of it's primary weaknesses
A single (weak) move isn't a speed tier.
>I'll ask again, why should I use shitdog over Machamp?
>>29773675

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:24:39 No.29773742 Report

Quoted By: >>29773765

>Expecting 140+ Base Attack due to all the surrounding flavor text nearly bragging about how strong it is, even without exerting itself
>only 125 base

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:24:40 No.29773743 Report

Quoted By: >>29773782

So is Anchorbro just a good Decidueye?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:25:43 No.29773765 Report

Quoted By: >>29773786

>>29773742
125 is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:26:39 No.29773782 Report

Quoted By: >>29773885

>>29773743
Basically. Ability gives it a extra STAB and overall better stats. No one really knows what to make of it but it seems like it might have some relevance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:26:58 No.29773786 Report

Quoted By: >>29777071

>>29773765
It's below both Ursaring and Beartic. Among bears it's a bitch nigga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:27:16 No.29773792 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773275
grass knot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:28:12 No.29773806 Report

Quoted By: >>29773846 >>29773847

>>29773733
>Not really.
5 weaknesses vs 3 weakness
>A single (weak) move isn't a speed tier.
It's not no, but I don't have to band my Machamp to cover faster pokemon and fairies. And if bullet punch is so weak, why do people use it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:28:23 No.29773811 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773275
Nah, right to the glue factory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:29:40 No.29773827 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773682
Limiting options to make shitmon more viable =/= more varied meta. Removing options from players removes their interest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:30:05 No.29773831 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773275
>dreadlocks
Get out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:30:15 No.29773837 Report

Quoted By: >>29773855 >>29773905

>>29772574

Its bad speed can be remedied by Tailwind, and with that it's a bulkier and stronger Cinccino, which did well enough as a Skill Link Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:30:35 No.29773846 Report

Quoted By: >>29773918 >>29773927

>>29773733
>>29773806
Are both of you idiots forgetting Lycanroc-Night has Sucker Punch? So the priority question is moot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:30:41 No.29773847 Report

Quoted By: >>29773876 >>29773927

>>29773806
>5 weaknesses vs 3 weakness
Neither can take a neutral hit so it doesn't really matter.
>but I don't have to band my Machamp to cover faster pokemon and fairies
What fairy types can Machamp OHKO with Bullet Punch? It's a situational move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:31:00 No.29773855 Report

Quoted By: >>29773902

>>29773837
>it's good if it gets boosts
off yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:32:28 No.29773876 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773847
The better question is what can Machamp 2HKO with Bullet Punch, and the answer to that is: most Fairies. A lot of things straight-up can't switch into it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:32:40 No.29773885 Report

Quoted By: >>29773907 >>29773968 >>29774006

>>29773782
Is there ANY chance of Decidueye making UU? It gets a lot of solid support and doesn't have to fear contact effects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:33:28 No.29773902 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773855

It requires a minimum amount of setup, with a move that it can learn, that also benefits everybody else on the team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:33:36 No.29773905 Report

Quoted By: >>29773937

>>29773837
A lot of mons are great with boosts. What makes a mon good is that it stands on its own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:33:43 No.29773907 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773885
It's slow and frail. You can't save that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:34:16 No.29773918 Report

Quoted By: >>29774098

>>29773846
Sucker Punch got nerfed and it won't get STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:34:43 No.29773927 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773847
I can put an Ass Vest on Machamp and not worry about speed and take some hits, while moonshit needs a scarf. A well built Machamp can 2KO fairies without boosting because it has a high attack to make up for low BP.

>>29773846
Right, sucker punch is good as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:35:24 No.29773937 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773905

Good thing you're not just using the mon on its own then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:37:29 No.29773968 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773885
Starters are a real mixed bag, all three can be argued as shit or above average. As of the info we have at the moment I would say I don't see it as likely, still just speculation.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:39:35 No.29773994 Report

Quoted By: >>29774024 >>29774098 >>29774213

Was it confirmed if eviolite was nerfed to only a 20% boost? If not and it potentially is still 50% what are your guy's thoughts on eviolite null?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:40:11 No.29774006 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773885
slow, low defence, mixed attacker :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:41:08 No.29774024 Report

Quoted By: >>29774057

>>29773994
If Eviolite hasn't been gutted, it'll be a way better Pokemon than Silvally. I like its design more too.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:43:18 No.29774057 Report

Quoted By: >>29774096

>>29774024
Same, helmet seems really cool.

I know the moveset and speed aren't great but I think if it gets access to a 50% boost in in its defendes it could be usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:45:24 No.29774096 Report

Quoted By: >>29774147

>>29774057
There are already half a dozen slow, bulky shitmon in Alola. Why would one more make a difference?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:45:27 No.29774098 Report

Quoted By:

>>29773918
So? Bullet Punch is weaker still, and Machamp doesn't get STAB on that either. They're essentially on equal footing in that regard.

>>29773994
Honestly, even if it's only a 1.2x boost, that still means Type:Null is working with effective base 118 defenses in addition to dual 95 offenses. What it lacks in Silvally's speed and versatility, it makes up for with perfectly acceptable bulk, and a virtually identical movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:47:07 No.29774125 Report

Quoted By: >>29774162 >>29774170

>>29772809
>wood hammer
what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:47:57 No.29774147 Report

Quoted By: >>29774181 >>29774186

>>29774096
Any with 190 in defese and special defense and a cool helmet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:48:54 No.29774162 Report

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>>29774125
it's holding a stick

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:49:30 No.29774170 Report

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>>29774125
The tail I suppose, I do wonder if it still hurts itself if the decoy isn't busted before using the move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:50:24 No.29774181 Report

Quoted By: >>29774273

>>29774147
That's not how math works, dummy. 50% =/= 100%

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:50:49 No.29774186 Report

Quoted By: >>29774273

>>29774147
Its fully invested base 95 defenses would be equivalent to base 167 of a fully-invested pokemon without eviolite. It's gonna be bulky as fuck but not 190 bulky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:52:53 No.29774213 Report

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>>29773994
Using Type-Nulls stats and ability with eviolite, its a monster

252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Munchlax: 140-165 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Munchlax: 178-210 (45.1 - 53.2%) -- 32.8% chance to 2HKO

252- SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 125-148 (31.7 - 37.5%) -- 87.6% chance to 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:54:46 No.29774247 Report

Quoted By: >>29774286 >>29774303

Where the fuck is Palossand?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:56:19 No.29774273 Report

Quoted By:

>>29774181
>>29774186
Fuck, don't know why I doubled it. My mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:57:21 No.29774286 Report

Quoted By: >>29774322 >>29774363

>>29774247
Said to be a worse golurk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:57:34 No.29774291 Report

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Tsareena has okay defenses, but grass isn't a great defensive type without something crazy like Regenerator or Thick Fat. Doesn't even like switching into water types because Scald exists. It gets Rapid Spin but has no way to hit ghosts besides Payback. Its best grass STAB is 70 BP. It sits at a shitty speed tier too, 72 is just horrendous. Also, its only boosting moves are Acupressure and Z-move Splash. It's a cute mon, but it's definitely gonna be ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:58:21 No.29774303 Report

Quoted By: >>29774349

>>29774247
Not on here because he's sadly shitty
>Gamefreak will never learn that ground is not a good slow defensive type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 04:59:26 No.29774322 Report

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>>29774286
Palossand gets good recovery, defense boosting moves, and an overall better stat spread than golurk, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:01:34 No.29774349 Report

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>>29774303
gamefreak KNOWS ground isn't a good slow defensive type, just like ice and rock, and that's why it continues to be put in that niche cus that's the design of it
fast, powerful ground types are a bit too good
remember excadrill in gen 5?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:02:54 No.29774363 Report

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>>29774286
Is disagree with that notion; Palossand is more specially focused on terms of offenses, has solid bulk, and has recovery options in both Giga Drain and Shore Up. Throw it on a Sand-Based team, and it actually could function very well as a spinblocker, among other things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:03:39 No.29774370 Report

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I mean, this might sound gimmicky, but pair palossand with greninja. Turn 1: greninja uses mat block and palossand uses amnesia. Turn 2: Greninja uses water shuriken on palossand, activating water compaction at least 2 times, giving palossand at least +4 in defense. From there, you can give it a weakness policy and use palossand as a tank or give him luminous moss/ leftovers and use him as a wall

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:05:46 No.29774396 Report

Quoted By: >>29774423

>>29773238
Where's alolan Muk?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:07:37 No.29774419 Report

Quoted By: >>29774444 >>29774465 >>29774480

>>29772700
>Alolan Muk with Power of Alchemy holding an Air Balloon
>Shedinja with Scarf and Final Gambit OR Protect and Flame Orb
>Alolan Muk used Protect!
>Shedinja dies from either flame orb or Final Gambit
>Power of Alchemy Triggers
>You now have an Alolan Muk that cannot be damaged or hurt outside of burn and weather effects

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:07:52 No.29774423 Report

Quoted By:

>>29774396
Not on there because it's only mediocre

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:09:18 No.29774444 Report

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>>29774419
Why not use Shadow Sneak Muk?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:10:19 No.29774465 Report

Quoted By: >>29774499

>>29774419
wonder guard is probably an exception... like usual...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:11:02 No.29774480 Report

Quoted By: >>29774499 >>29774595

>>29774419
What makes everyone think you can actually copy wonder guard like this when it can't be copied or swapped any other way?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:12:47 No.29774499 Report

Quoted By: >>29774517

>>29774465
>>29774480
Here's hoping GF doesn't make it an exception. I want this to be thing so badly

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:13:53 No.29774517 Report

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>>29774499
>Potential to fuck up and make invincible pokemon
It will not happen anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:17:38 No.29774565 Report

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>>29773238
Add Bruxish
>Base 105 Attack and 92 Speed
>Great ability in Dazzling
>Access to Swords Dance
>Decent move pool, with access to Ice Fang, Crunch, Waterfall, Aqua Jet, and strong pyschic physic type STAB Psychic Fangs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:19:43 No.29774595 Report

Quoted By: >>29774646

>>29774480
It can be copied with trace, only attacks can't copy it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:23:02 No.29774641 Report

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>>29773047
not my boy toxapex

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:23:37 No.29774646 Report

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>>29774595
Holy shit you're right. I never knew about this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:39:00 No.29774905 Report

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whats a good haircut? playing girl of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:46:19 No.29775051 Report

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>>29772389
What? Type Null evolves into Sylvally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 05:51:13 No.29775179 Report

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>>29772959
>Likes Midnight form
>Doubles
>"Doesn't have to be OU to be good."
Go to sleep, Verlisify.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 06:21:17 No.29775720 Report

Quoted By: >>29775738 >>29775756

>ctrl+f
>no Vikavolt
what's it's stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 06:22:31 No.29775738 Report

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>>29775720
Hot garbage, usuable maybe on trick room

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 06:23:41 No.29775756 Report

Quoted By: >>29775847

>>29775720
Slow as shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 06:30:44 No.29775847 Report

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>>29775756
So pissed about that, he looked like he'd have been fast. Guess they had to separate him from Galv I guess. Still going on my team though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 06:37:17 No.29775956 Report

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>>29773238
Pretty much everything I wanted to use is here, except Lurantis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Nov 2016 08:16:32 No.29777071 Report

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>>29773786
this

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