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Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:14:33 No.31473155 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>31473180 >>31473334 >>31473368 >>31473469 >>31473795

Reminder that the only benefit of it's 100 base special attack is Z-Frenzy Plant on a Nasty Plot set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:17:27 No.31473180 Report

Quoted By: >>31473193 >>31473198 >>31473205 >>31473230 >>31473259 >>31473359 >>31473397 >>31474948

>>31473155
Reminder that Decidueye is still the strongest of the Alola starters and one of the strongest starters period.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:18:26 No.31473193 Report

Quoted By: >>31473221

>>31473180
>There are people who actually believe this

Next you'll tell me Unova is based off of Shanghai

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:18:51 No.31473198 Report

Quoted By: >>31473221

>>31473180
Reminder that Decidueye would have been better if its special attack was lower and its other stats had more points put into them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:19:46 No.31473205 Report

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>>31473180
Do you like Greninja?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:20:41 No.31473221 Report

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>>31473193
>>31473198
>>31473205
inb4 200 replies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:21:55 No.31473230 Report

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>>31473180
mega venasaur, mega char, blaziken, swampert, infernape, contrary serperior, greninja, primarina all better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:26:28 No.31473259 Report

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>>31473180
Seal>Owl>Tony the Tiger
Without counting Megas, I would only really say Seal, Serp, Blaziken, Infernape, Gren and (debatably) Ches are better. It's not horrible by any means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:26:28 No.31473260 Report

Quoted By: >>31473463

>>31473230
And Empoleon, Mega Blastoise and Mega Sceptile

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:38:57 No.31473334 Report

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>>31473155
Poor thing. They really should have swapped his Speed and Sp. Atk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:42:06 No.31473359 Report

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>>31473180
I liked the owl since its reveal and I must say that it might not be the best starter but at least it isn't Blaze Incineroar, and that being the only Ghost starter is a great advantage to Abilities like Sand Trap and Shadow Tag. Even I struggle to find a good set outside of All-out Attacker Lead with Focus Sash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:43:13 No.31473368 Report

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>>31473155
>same HP & Def as Dartrix

LITERALLY WHY

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:46:17 No.31473397 Report

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>>31473180
Kek.
It isn't even top 20 in the starter rankings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:50:47 No.31473440 Report

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>>31473368
Torracat has the same Sp. Atk as Incineroar, and more Speed. Why only Popplio/Brionne's stats grow in a consistent way when evolving? They never stay the same or decrease, unlike the other 2 Alola starters.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:52:56 No.31473459 Report

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>Slow mixed attacker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:53:10 No.31473463 Report

Quoted By: >>31473501

>>31473260
I disagree with those.
>Empoleon
I can see it dropping RU this gen as Primarina outclasses it as a better special attacker and lacks recovery for a wall. If Z-Mist could be used more than once it might've been good.
>Mega Blastoise
If your not using its as a spinner its utter garbage. Heck, I'd rather use Clawizter than this thing. Its saving grace is that is less passive than Toise with Leftovers.
>Mega Sceptile
Its better than the base form but gimmicky for a mega. Would kill for a better ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:53:32 No.31473469 Report

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>>31473155
Until it gets Giga Drain whenever move tutors come back

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 16:56:53 No.31473501 Report

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>>31473463
More people are running Empoleon for rocks or Defog though, plus its unique resistances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 17:03:52 No.31473568 Report

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>>31473501
Ah, forgot about it's insane utility. Guess I undestimate it as it's defensive synergy is put to waist with its lack of recovery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 17:24:16 No.31473795 Report

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>>31473155
Hay, that's pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 19:06:56 No.31474948 Report

Quoted By: >>31475307 >>31475456

>>31473180
Decidueye is literally almost Meganium tier levels of garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 19:45:24 No.31475307 Report

Quoted By: >>31475334 >>31475372 >>31475456 >>31475881

>>31474948
Venusaur>Serperior>Chesnaught>Sceptile>Decidueye>Torterra>Meganium

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 19:47:25 No.31475334 Report

Quoted By: >>31475372

>>31475307
This is pretty accurate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 19:50:20 No.31475372 Report

Quoted By: >>31475464

>>31475307
>>31475334
If we're counting megas then shouldn't Sceptile be above Chesnaught?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 19:57:30 No.31475456 Report

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>>31474948
You'd be surprised how far spinblocking and defog could go

>>31475307
10/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 19:58:04 No.31475464 Report

Quoted By: >>31475919

>>31475372
M-Sceptile is underwhelming for a mega, whereas Chesnaught brings utility and bulk to the table.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 20:03:28 No.31475510 Report

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>>31473459
It's gen 3 all over again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 20:41:58 No.31475881 Report

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>>31475307
I'm surprisingly ok with this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 20:47:06 No.31475919 Report

Quoted By: >>31476076

>>31475464
If we're going by viability rankings then MScep is much higher than Chesnaught

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jan 2017 21:02:12 No.31476076 Report

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>>31475919
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-viability-ranking-thread-v5-see-page-43-post-1063.3571990/
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-uu-viability-ranking-thread-v6.3580117/

Huh, your right. Its even higher in OU despite the opportunity cost of better megas to use in the tier. What makes Chesnaught less splashable and useful than a mega?

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