>>33100554>forretress, macargo, cofagrius...Oh yes, now that Swagger is unbanned I see ALL of them running Swagger on every team that uses it.
Nevermind that Magcargo isn't even good and is afraid of most common physical attacks. Nevermind that Smogon tiers are based around OU and they are PU, BL3 and barely UU.
>bp is banned now. thoughts?Stop spreading FUD, it's only banned in cases where multiple stats including speed can be passed.
>its relevant to shitmons.But it's not relevant to Swagger. You say how you don't want to drag on an argument too long but you keep getting sidetracked.
>now stop using the shitmon argument.I backed my "shitmon" argument with actual statistics and the whole meta primarly revolves around OU. Why should I NOT use the shitmon argument?
>if you don't have an actual argument just don't argue.Says who? You have yet to back any of your claims of mons being good in higher tiers.
>in other words, just because a pokemon is 2 tiers under doesn't mean its less able.As I said:
>Try using a mon from two tiers below. It puts you at a disadvantage>30% miss isn't luck?Did you not even read anything I said? It's not even popular and it's far less dangerous than both hitting yourself hard much more often than missing Focus Miss AND taking a move from the opponent in the same turn.
>yeah tangled feet(+shiny powder) isn't that viable.And that's why it doesn't justify poisoning gen 6 meta with Swagger.
>so why is haze and clear smog so bad, again?Again asking me to prove a negative. Fine.
Most fast Haze users will die from a hit even after dropping the stats. You just traded a mon to break a setup that is likely to happen again.
Most slow Haze users won't get to use it. And before you say Sturdy, it would generally be better to use the time you waste on Haze to either set up yourself or break the opponent's momentum, or even just defeat the one set up.
