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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:28:09 No.33215205 View View Reply Original Report

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Why is it called "Dusk Form"? Are the English translators retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:29:20 No.33215220 Report

Quoted By: >>33215254

How you would name it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:30:12 No.33215230 Report

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>>33215205

Because the Japanese word can translate to either Twilight or Dusk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:32:18 No.33215250 Report

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>>33215205
It's Dusk because it's the transition of Midday to Midnight form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:32:30 No.33215254 Report

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>>33215220
Twilight form.

Is that bland and a little too literal? Yes. But dusk specifically refers to the time of day around sunset. And I guarantee this new Lycanroc is equally as involved with the dusk as it is with the dawn.

They fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:33:24 No.33215259 Report

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>>33215254
>But dusk specifically refers to the time of day around sunset

Which is when Ash's Rockruff evolves into it in the anime

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:33:44 No.33215262 Report

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>>33215230

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:35:34 No.33215279 Report

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>>33215254
This
Other languages got it right, Idk what happened to the english one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:35:39 No.33215280 Report

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If it was Mightnight to midday, would the color be Lavender instead?

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:37:11 No.33215296 Report

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>>33215230
Twilight makes more sense in terms of neutrality. Dusk means everyone will be asking about a Dawn version.
Also

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:38:46 No.33215318 Report

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>>33215254
>And I guarantee this new Lycanroc is equally as involved with the dusk as it is with the dawn

It's not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:39:30 No.33215327 Report

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>>33215296
>Dusk means everyone will be asking about a Dawn version.

Too late, it's not a "will be" but a "now are" because they fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:41:05 No.33215340 Report

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>>33215296
People would be going on about a Daybreak version if they went with Twilight.

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:42:41 No.33215355 Report

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>>33215205
Because "Twilight" was already taken by pic related.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:43:41 No.33215365 Report

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>>33215355
I don't get your point, just because that franchise exists doesn't mean no one can ever use the word twilight again.

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:44:31 No.33215371 Report

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>>33215340
That wouldn't make any sense because Daybreak is in no way the "opposite" of Twilight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:45:14 No.33215382 Report

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>>33215340
Maybe mouthbreathing retards who don't know what the fuck twilight means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:45:47 No.33215391 Report

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dawn really makes it seem like there will be a dusk from too. maybe they just wanted to avoid having anything to do with that shitty twilight franchise. Maybe it sounds too feminine too. idk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:46:08 No.33215397 Report

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>>33215365
I'm afraid that's how trademark and copyright laws work, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:46:36 No.33215404 Report

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I would call it"la naranja "

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:46:45 No.33215406 Report

Quoted By: >>33215439

>>33215371
>>33215382
Sure, it can be used to mean both dawn and dusk, but the way the word twilight is commonly used is just for dusk. If not Daybreak, it would be Sunrise or something else people would be expecting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:47:01 No.33215411 Report

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>>33215397
Yeah, no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:48:49 No.33215439 Report

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>>33215406
Sterilize yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:50:15 No.33215460 Report

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>>33215397
Can you like shut the fuck up and never post again? Don't you dare try and lower the knowledge of this board lower than it already is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:50:40 No.33215468 Report

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>>33215397
No, it does not work like that. Copyright doesn't apply to a single common word like twilight. Trademarks are signs used to distinguish different brands and a video game character is not something a reasonable person will confuse with a romance book/film series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:53:19 No.33215494 Report

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>>33215279
>Lycanroc Forma Crepuscular
>Lycanroc Forma Crepuscolo
>Lougaroc Forme Crépusculaire
>Wolwerock Zwielichtform
>all of which mean Twilight
What the fuck are those dumb burgers doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:53:20 No.33215495 Report

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>>33215439
Calm down, friendo. I'm not saying it's not stupid people misunderstanding the word twilight. I'm saying those people would be expecting another form no matter what the localization team called the Dusk form unlike what >>33215296 this poster implied.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 01:59:48 No.33215561 Report

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>>33215254
Holy shit
this new lycanroc is already in the anime?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 02:01:02 No.33215570 Report

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>>33215561
Airing next Thursday.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 02:08:17 No.33215646 Report

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>>33215205
>>33215230

As someone who speaks Japanese Tasogare is almost exclusively used for sunset. (It's also not a nornal dialogue word, it's mostly used in poems and songs and not casual speech) Same goes for twilight for that matter, yes it can mean both but before people started arguing about this I've only ever seen it used for dusk. My entire life I've never heard a single person describe the time before Dawn as twilight

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 02:23:47 No.33215793 Report

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>>33215205
Should have been Lycanroc - Vespertine form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 02:28:11 No.33215833 Report

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It's edgier and it's Day starting to show traits of Night, not Night starting to show traits of Day

with that in mind the English name makes it slightly less dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 02:35:14 No.33215885 Report

Quoted By: >>33215900

>>33215205
Our italian version is called "Crepuscolo"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 02:36:38 No.33215891 Report

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>>33215254
twilight means gay, that's the reason it's dusk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 02:37:47 No.33215900 Report

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>>33215885
Don't mind my fellow european, literally only the english version was dumb enough to not use "twilight"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 02:49:17 No.33215997 Report

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>>33215468
Look up the copywrite history of the word "edge." It's kinda interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 02:52:52 No.33216029 Report

Quoted By: >>33216957

>>33215494
>>33215900
Hey fuck off, those amerilards can barely read their own dumbed down version of english. Expecting them to understand Japanese is completely insane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 04:44:53 No.33216957 Report

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>>33216029
We're too busy to learn your stupid language

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 07:45:21 No.33218190 Report

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>>33215205
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 07:48:18 No.33218206 Report

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>>33215997
You mean trademark history, but yeah, that shit is neat to learn about. It's weird what some people will try to trademark, you can trademark colors or smells even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 08:08:47 No.33218286 Report

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>>33215205

kid, in the anime or either the game orange sky means dusk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 08:11:12 No.33218290 Report

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>>33215254
>>33215891
This. Also dusk and twilight can mean the same. Twilight and dusk both refer to when the sun is below the horizon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 08:16:09 No.33218307 Report

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>>33215205
Green flashes and green rays are optical phenomena that sometimes occur just before sunset or right after sunrise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 08:21:20 No.33218324 Report

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>>33215254
>I guarantee this new Lycanroc is equally as involved with the dusk as it is with the dawn.
Well the footage we have shows it evolving at dusk, so you'd be pretty dumb to think it'll evolve to Dusk Form at dawn. They obviously named it Dusk for a reason, gobshite.

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 09:08:14 No.33218443 Report

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>>33215205
Yes, yes they are.

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 09:19:22 No.33218489 Report

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>>33215397
Some people shouldn't be allowed to post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 09:28:31 No.33218516 Report

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>>33218443
Yeah, because HARD PLANT is such a great name. Literally all of those are fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 09:50:16 No.33218572 Report

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>>33218489
As somebody who is actually very into IP law, just because it's not supposed to be doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

There have been times where that sort of stuff has been copyright and trademarked and people have sued others for violating it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 09:52:26 No.33218576 Report

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It's because it sounds like Dust and it's a rock type

There.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 10:07:44 No.33218628 Report

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>>33215318
t. Autism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 10:21:30 No.33218689 Report

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>>33218443
are you that retard that thinks Flamethrower is "Flame Emission" even though "kaenhosha" is literally what japs call flamethrower?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 10:28:43 No.33218711 Report

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>>33215494
They mean twilight but they don't include dawn.
Not in french anyway, twilight is just dusk, sunset, we don't use it for dawn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 10:32:24 No.33218721 Report

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>>33215494
>>33215646
>>33218711
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 11:04:06 No.33218830 Report

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>>33218689
Did I put Flamethrower up there? I didn't, because it doesn't have an English name in the Japanese version.

I only included the three evolutionary stones to display that Dusk and Dawn are not actual counterparts (Shiny and Dusk are), and the translators were retarded for doing so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 14:35:54 No.33220056 Report

Quoted By: >>33220369

>>33218443
Don't forget

>Core Punisher -> Core Enforcer

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 14:38:53 No.33220077 Report

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>>33218711
>Not in french anyway, twilight is just dusk, sunset, we don't use it for dawn.
Yes, yes in french. Almost nobody use "twilight" as "dawn" but it's still legit. Twilight fits for both, dusk and dawn, even if most of people around the world only use it for dusk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 14:56:01 No.33220190 Report

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>>33215230
Do note though that tasogare specifically refers to the twilight around sunset. Dusk is a more-than adequate translation.

>>33215279
>>33215494
>get the names of Lycanroc's other two forms wrong
>their translation of the third form's name is considered more correct than the English or Japanese
I want third-worlders to leave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 14:58:29 No.33220206 Report

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>>33215900
English and Japanese, you mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:07:56 No.33220280 Report

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>>33215646
This. I had literally never heard tasogare used to mean dawn before, and had to google around to realize it could actually be used that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:14:20 No.33220334 Report

Quoted By: >>33220351 >>33220360

>>33218443
Not sure what point you're trying to make with the move names or why you can't seem to crop. The localized stone names are stupid, as was giving Pawniard/Bisharp a chess theme and, although it took 20 years, not directly translating the original Poke Ball names ended up biting them in the ass (Ultra/Beast Balls).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:15:50 No.33220342 Report

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>>33218443
Most of those are better in english though. Actually, the only one that's better in Japanese is Nitro Charge.

Stop being a weeb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:16:58 No.33220351 Report

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>>33220334
>KOMAtana
>not chess
Anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:18:10 No.33220360 Report

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>>33220334
>not directly translating the original Poke Ball names ended up biting them in the ass (Ultra/Beast Balls).
That bit them in the ass right away. Even gen 1 had promotional art depicting the "Ultra Ball" as a ball with a giant H for Hyper written on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:19:08 No.33220369 Report

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>>33220056
The latter fits Zygrarde's theme as a keeper of order more. He's enforcing the rules of nature

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:20:55 No.33220383 Report

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>>33218443
V-create because V-generate sounds a lot like degenerate?

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:21:57 No.33220388 Report

Quoted By: >>33220481

>>33215205

Gonna paste this from the other thread I explained it in. This is the reason.

"Tasogare", while meaning "twilight", also is "dusk" in Japanese.

The word for "dawn" is "yoake", so while Dusk is "Tasogare Form" in Japanese, Dawn would be "Yoake Form".

Not that this matters since there probably won't be a Dawn Form, but if there is or could be, now you at least know what it'll be called in Japanese.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:34:11 No.33220481 Report

Quoted By: >>33220587

>>33220388
There's several words for dawn. "Akatsuki" is common, and the ACTUAL opposite to tasogare is "kawatare".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:48:04 No.33220587 Report

Quoted By: >>33220595

>>33220481
"Kawataredoki", which is what you actually meant, is a rather archaic word and is also used in reference to Dusk as well.

"Yoake" is the modern and much more common term used in comparison as the opposite to "Tasogare".

"Akatsuki", however, is another possible word that could be used for the hypothetical "Dawn" form since Japan loves using that word for everything in their media, so you're still not off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:50:07 No.33220595 Report

Quoted By: >>33220632

>>33220587
You can use kawatare on its own, though it's less common. Tasogaredoki can also be used instead of tasogare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 15:55:29 No.33220632 Report

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>>33220595
"Tasogaredoki" is the archaic form that was scrapped for "Tasogare" in modern times. No one ever uses it and you never hear it spoken or referenced for that reason.

"Dawn Form" will either be "Yoake" or "Akatsuki". Plain and simple.

Regardless and much more importantly, OP's question has been answered. Even if they're probably not even reading anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 16:02:32 No.33220715 Report

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>twilight form
>aurora form if there's another form which I doubt it
It's not that hard, burgers.

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