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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2017 23:28:17 No.33565814 View View Reply Original Report

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This franchise always seems to hint that Pokemon are about as intelligent and cognizant as human beings. The few that find ways to communicate with people do so at a very advanced level.

Why haven't Pokemon formed independent societies, economies, language?

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2017 23:29:10 No.33565819 Report

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>>33565814
They have dude. The bigger question is why arent people fucking pokemon? If they are of equal intelligence to us its not weird

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Anonymous Sat 16 Sep 2017 23:30:29 No.33565831 Report

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>>33565819
But why don't they ALWAYS do it? Why are they quiet slaves to people?

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 00:07:25 No.33566200 Report

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>>33565831
I don't know man they seem pretty loud when they go out of my pokeballs

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 00:08:55 No.33566223 Report

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>>33565814
maybe we did it first

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 00:12:57 No.33566270 Report

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I was disappointed Pokemon Village in X wasn't something closer to a real town, at least with a few Pokemon npcs.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 00:16:25 No.33566302 Report

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>>33565831
Pokemon benefit from human "captivity", just like pets do in real life. The difference is that Pokemon are intelligent enough to realize this.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 01:09:56 No.33566778 Report

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>>33565814
The level of inteligence of the pokemon in this franchise doesnt make sense and It varies depending of the medium you are watching. Some pokedex entries hint that some pokemon are smart because they can understand human speech, even tough this is apparently something all of them can do.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 01:11:27 No.33566791 Report

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>>33565814
Latios, a legendary pokemon has a very similar pokedex entry.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 01:21:01 No.33566891 Report

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>>33565814
Why would they want an independent society when the one they're a part of revolves around and caters to them in the extreme?

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 01:34:24 No.33567017 Report

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My standard answer, for all sci-fi/fantasy settings where ostensibly superhuman creatures coexist with humans, is that the human superpower is bureaucracy. Pokemon might be strong and smart, but they're not organized. No Pokemon is going to pay their taxes or collect the garbage just because some piece of paper told them to. Only human civilization scales past Dunbar's number, because only humans will tolerate paperwork. The best Pokemon can do is the angry mob, and angry mobs never beat real armies.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 01:49:38 No.33567181 Report

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>>33567017
so in the pokemon universe, civilization is the survival strategy developed by humans, and subsequently pokemon developed a commensal relationship with them? But then they also fight each other and resist captivity. Sounds like conflicting strategies.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 01:51:36 No.33567199 Report

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>>33565831
They like fighting, its part of their nature. As for being with people, I take it as a friendship way

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 02:11:44 No.33567372 Report

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>>33565831
I have a theory that the pokemon you encounter are challenging you to fight due to their natural love of fighting and that the pokeballs dont 'overpower' them but that if your battle proved to the pokemon you could be good together they accept the pokeball 'capture'

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 02:13:44 No.33567387 Report

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>>33567199
why do they mostly want to fight pokemon? Why do they have special reverence for people even though they could genocide at will?

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 02:16:25 No.33567416 Report

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>>33565814
Sinnoh lore states that they used to be regarded as human equals.

Probably changed when humans invented the first pokeballs.
Kinda hard not to be a slave when you can literally be pocketed by your husband.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 02:19:06 No.33567449 Report

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>>33567387
Maybe because they only grow and become stronger when fighting other pokemon? Mowing down people won't grant them EXP.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 02:27:46 No.33567544 Report

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>>33567449
that's too literal. It would make more sense if EXP is an evaluation of experience that the pokedex makes, not a biological feature of mons

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 05:31:08 No.33569009 Report

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>>33565814
dont know off the top of my head word for word, but canalave library in gen 4 says all about this, how pokemon used to be equals to humans, but gave in and wanted to be the lesser, wanted to serve humans and still live in this agreement today.

Lily

Lily Sun 17 Sep 2017 05:33:39 No.33569021 Report

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>>33565814
No thumbs

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 05:38:08 No.33569036 Report

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>>33566891
This was actually an arguement a gardevoir character of mine had once.

Autism ahead: "Sure, I could break the 'chains', teleport away, or even psychically dominate you in your sleep... But where would that leave me? I'd have to hunt for my own food,
find my own shelter, defend myself from wild pokemon with a decent risk of being killed and eaten. With you, I worry about none of those things, you spend so much of your time and money on making my happy, safe, and warm.
all of us. All humanity does this for all pokemon.
You might hold the ball, you might shout the commands, but in the end... Your society revolves around us. And to be perfectly honest? I don't want to anyway. I like you, and more than my trainer, I think of you as my friend."

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 05:40:07 No.33569045 Report

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>>33565814
I always thought it was because almost all Pokemon have an innate desire to do battle with each other, regardless of species or even age in some regards. Even man, who loves to fight with its own kind all the time, doesn't have the desire to do so programmed into his body. Obviously society can never happen if you constantly want to fight.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 05:41:31 No.33569057 Report

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>>33569036
Thank God I don't know you in real life or I would kill you to spare you and myself from further embarrassment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 05:42:43 No.33569063 Report

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>>33569057
But anon, maybe we do know eachother! This is an anonymous image board!

For all you know I could be your fucking dog in the next room!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 05:46:17 No.33569082 Report

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>>33565814
>Why haven't Pokemon formed independent societies, economies, language?

The anime suggests they do sometimes and I think GameFreak just doesn't know how to properly implement active Pokemon translation into the games, despite Rotomdex being fluent.

No one knows if Ultra Beasts speak Pokemon or some slightly linguistic code in addition to that.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 05:47:58 No.33569090 Report

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>>33565814
According to lore as established in the Canalave library in D/P/Pt Pokemon and humans once we're one in the same and sometimes got caught in romantic affairs leading to marriage. It is said that that as humans evolved Pokemon became dependant on humans for battle strategy. I think perhaps that humans and Pokemon have the same common ancestor before mew. Mew might be how all Pokemon cane to fruition but it's not explained how all humans came to fruition in the Pokemon world. Perhaps mew is an evolved species that is the ancestor to the first humans as well. It gets incredibly deep.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 05:58:28 No.33569146 Report

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>>33567372

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:00:05 No.33569151 Report

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>>33565819
>The bigger question is why arent people fucking pokemon?

It became taboo, but back in the day the people in Sinnoh gave no shits about it

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:02:46 No.33569160 Report

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Reminder that Sinnoh is the deep south of the Pokemon world.
They're a bunch of superstitious hicks who made up some legends to justify fucking Pokemon.
I mean, the bit about once being one and marriage is right next to the myth of eaten Pokemon regenerating by putting their bones in water.
They also thought that wimp Regigigas towed the continents into place.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:04:17 No.33569164 Report

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>>33567372
That's not really a theory when it's supported by both the Sinnoh myths and multiple characters who say similar things in the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:07:35 No.33569177 Report

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>>33567372
Pokeballs are most likely forceful because in order to make it easy for the technology to work you need to weaken your target and possibly add a status condition. The pokeballs in the anime seems to turn. Them into a red energy which would further weaken them as energy is most likely a Pokemon's simplest form. The pokeballs would then do it's best to contain the energy but if the energy overpowered it, the pokeballs would break and the Pokemon is reverted to a solid state. If it's successful though, the pokeballs has securely locked down the energy and made it so you are able to use it. That's all I can come up with off the cuff

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:09:08 No.33569181 Report

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>>33569146
Ill give you thats a fair point, but i feel that that can be explained away by game mechanics. The game needed a masterball for the kids who dont like legendary hard mode.

Or perhaps it is just so irresistibly comfy inside.

Either way i find it hard to believe this kid friendly world of befriending critters to adventure with has sinister mechanics that cause your cuddly monsters to follow you.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:09:22 No.33569183 Report

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>>33569160
After experiencing Sinnoh, you can see why Cyrus wanted to destroy the universe. He just needed to take a vacation in another desu

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:11:52 No.33569190 Report

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>>33569164
Its been a forever since i played the sinnoh games. What did they say?

>>33569177
See
>>33569181

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:14:35 No.33569201 Report

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>>33569160
>it's another "the south is bad" episode

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:28:29 No.33569251 Report

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>>33569160
>They also thought that wimp Regigigas towed the continents into place.
Let me guess. You're one of those "continental drift" faggots. Am I right?

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:31:56 No.33569260 Report

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>>33569201
Reminder that Kukui is a kantocuck who married a woman from Unova and destroyed years of island culture just so Alola would fit in with the other regions.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:34:08 No.33569265 Report

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Slave mentality. Alternatively, PMD series.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:36:14 No.33569277 Report

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>>33565814
because humans did it first

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:37:19 No.33569287 Report

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>>33565831
They aren't slaves. Why do people keep saying this? We have examples of disobedience, like Charizard. Hell Ash's Snivy pretty much dumped her old trainer for being incompetent. Pokeballs work as a contract. Pokémon can break it anytime. That is why Poachers use Cages and stuff like that instead of balls.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:49:31 No.33569335 Report

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>>33569036
As much as Autistic that might be, it is good point. The Human society in Pokémon is Pokémon centered. Hell, trainers live for the sake of their Pokémon. That reminds of that Anime episode were this girl was dominated by her Gothita.

>>33569190
>>33569181
The Master Ball was featured in The Hoenn Anime once, it failed. Hell, it used to have a very small chance to fail in game, like 255/256 or something like that.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:49:53 No.33569339 Report

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>>33569287
Well i believe this thread is mostly talking about the games, not the anime. That being said AZ's Pokemon willingly left him so your point still has something.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:51:43 No.33569342 Report

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>>33569335
Well that doesnt really have anything to do with how pokemon capture works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:52:06 No.33569344 Report

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>>33569335
>Furries where accepted into society
ill keep my english censorship thank you

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 06:58:26 No.33569369 Report

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Because humans are a type of pokemon who have an ability that lets them send suggestive mental messages to pokemon that brainwashes them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 07:10:30 No.33569423 Report

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>>33569339
The thing is, the games are too vague and tell us nothing. All we really know is that Pokémon like fighting. I suppose, there is the things that Dr. Footstep says but that is post catch.

>>33569344
Nigga, the folk tale is saying that Pokémon and Humans used to be the same species. So, Pokémon and Humans share an evolutionary ancestor. If you are willing to accept the folk tale as true.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 07:13:17 No.33569437 Report

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>>33569260
>white people destroy native culture
what did gamefreak mean by this

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Anonymous Sun 17 Sep 2017 13:25:59 No.33570737 Report

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>>33566223
maybe not

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