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>>34108786

It was successful.

It stopped being shilled at the start of Gen 5 when they started pushing Zoroark, then Zoroark failed they went back to Lucario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:40:26 No.34108820 Report

Quoted By: >>34108838 >>34108855 >>34110766 >>34112698

>>34108783
Silvally was literally marketed by Gamefreak as "the strongest pokemon". It's the shillmon in every sense of the word.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:40:37 No.34108821 Report

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>>34108762
shillmon for gen 7 is lycanroc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:40:45 No.34108824 Report

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>>34108808
It was still shilled in gen5 and made an appearance in smash, if you want the next successful shillmon just look at grenigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:40:58 No.34108825 Report

Quoted By: >>34108835 >>34109417 >>34109462

>>34108762
>what is decidueye

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:41:05 No.34108826 Report

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You can't.

And I don't believe that Null and Sylvally are supposed to be shillmons, they didn't get enough shilling. But something tells me that Zeraora is their another attempt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:41:14 No.34108830 Report

Quoted By: >>34114488

Lucario became popular because of its movie. Kids cried when it died

Make movie and have schill mon die

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:41:22 No.34108832 Report

Quoted By: >>34108852

>>34108786
>zoroark failed to they brought it back in bw2
>goes nuts with lucario pandering in xy
>riolu gets meteor mash as an eggmove in usm
>lucario's in freakin smash

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:41:58 No.34108835 Report

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>>34108825
>what is success

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:42:23 No.34108838 Report

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>>34108820
Was it really? It's canonically a failure.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:42:26 No.34108840 Report

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They're struggling?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:42:41 No.34108842 Report

Quoted By: >>34108886 >>34110839 >>34111447

>>34108762
Because gamefreak doesn't understand why Lucario is sexy. They keep adding exaggerated features to other anthro mons. Lucario's hips are wide, but mostly he's just a dog. And everyone wants to fuck man's best friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:42:48 No.34108844 Report

Quoted By: >>34108872

They're fucking stupid, and keep making them event or postgame exclusive. Lucario had the move to hype it plus you could actually get it and use it in the fucking game.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:43:05 No.34108847 Report

Quoted By: >>34108889 >>34108892 >>34108949 >>34108973 >>34114531

Fundamentally, it's because the people who design the Pokemon don't decide their stats, abilities and move pools.

One of the most important things for a Shillmon that didn't come from Gen 1 is POWER. The player has to feel that they are STRONG because they have said Shillmon. Lucario and Greninja's are the easiest examples of this, because they follow the "Glass Canon" forumla. People don't care think a Pokemon weak if it faints, they only remember how easily they took out other Pokemon.

Zoroak COULD have worked but it's gimmick meant to allow it to be overpowering was basically destroyed by Team Preview. It was clearly designed before they'd decided on Team Preview and since the main Pokemon members don't really "care" about battle viability, they likely thought having a "cool" ability is enough.

Silvally's failing is that likely someone at Gamefreak is thinking "it's a fake Arceus so it MUST be worse than Arceus" so that person who was likely in charge of Silvally's stats, movepool, and ability likely kept hitting it with the nerf stick, because they kept thinking "It's a fake Arceus so it needs to not be able to do things Arceus can"

This is the weakness of every Pokemon, because the designers aren't in charge of what they can do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:43:23 No.34108852 Report

Quoted By: >>34108893 >>34108902 >>34108917 >>34109157 >>34110617

>>34108832
That's what I mean, if Lucario was successful why did it they keep forcing it in so many mediums

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:43:35 No.34108855 Report

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>>34108820
The strongest mon isn't mega fug?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:44:30 No.34108872 Report

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>>34108844
This, plus Lucario rank in the original PMD. I also remember they put Lucario as the players only Pokemon in the D/P demos. They pulled all the stops to make it popular and didn't try half as hard for Zoroark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:45:05 No.34108882 Report

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>>34108838
>It's canonically a failure
Stop fucking spouting this shit meme. It was only a failure because it rejected the RKS System and wouldn't obey them. Gladion and the player make it a success.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:45:12 No.34108886 Report

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>>34108842
I dont.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:45:34 No.34108889 Report

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>>34108847
That explains a couple of things if this is true

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:45:44 No.34108892 Report

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>>34108847
Preach it, Game Master.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:45:46 No.34108893 Report

Quoted By: >>34108932

>>34108852
People like lucario. Why not put it everywhere for potential sales?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:46:19 No.34108902 Report

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>>34108852
It's because Lucario is successful that they keep forcing it, just like Charizard.
The problem is that GF doesn't know when to quit, resulting in heaps of people who are fans of other Pokemon feeling burnt out and ignored, and thusly hating Zard/Lucario//Geninja ect.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:47:17 No.34108914 Report

Quoted By: >>34108953 >>34109680

Is braixen's popularity the reason why gen 7 has so many waifumons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:47:28 No.34108917 Report

Quoted By: >>34108932

>>34108852
They put it in other mediums because it's popular. Lucario generates interest and hype now that they've shilled it, why the fuck would they not take advantage of the popularity they created?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:48:45 No.34108932 Report

Quoted By: >>34108954 >>34108957 >>34108961 >>34108963

>>34108917
>>34108893
Was it actually big post gen4?
I don't remember Lucario ever having a following but I didn't frequent forums or whatever back when I got platinum

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:49:10 No.34108936 Report

Quoted By: >>34108969 >>34108984

>>34108762
The problem with Game Freak is that if that Shillmon isn't immediately popular they generally give up on it easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:50:06 No.34108949 Report

Quoted By: >>34108993

>>34108847
I think availability is a key factor too. You just can't get the other failed shillmons early. That's why they straight up tried again with this new mythical but due to it being a legendary won't grab nearly as large of a group

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:50:21 No.34108953 Report

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>>34108914
No, it's because moe crowd overtook the industry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:50:22 No.34108954 Report

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>>34108932
Lucario has always been pretty well liked. It's the most popular steel or fighting type usually

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:50:45 No.34108957 Report

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>>34108932
Have you seen how fast Lucario porn has grown? People really like that aura doggo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:51:41 No.34108961 Report

Quoted By: >>34108991

>>34108932
They shoved it in early (Riolu) for BW2 and obviously X and Y as a gift

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:51:44 No.34108962 Report

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Lycanroc is this gen's shillmon. I fucking hate that they turned ash's into another edgy little fuck. If I was ash I'd toss that loaded pokeball into the ocean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:51:47 No.34108963 Report

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>>34108932
How it works is
>new Pokemon appear
>GF dumps all attention to 1 Pokemon
>"Look how cool this mon is! Here's a movie, here it is as a gift! Here is all it's merch!"
>kids who are told to like it decide they like it and buy all this shit up
>GF then puts it in everything forever
Lucario is a Pokemon who's primarily only popular because GF wanted it to be popular. If you want a Pokemon that's earned it's popularity, look at Rowlet, who got heaps and heaps and heaps of fanart and attention the day it came out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:51:57 No.34108969 Report

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>>34108936
That reminds me how Clefairy was suppose to be franchise's mascot before Pikachu became the most famous cartoon mouse that isn't Mickey

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:52:17 No.34108973 Report

Quoted By: >>34108985

>>34108847
>
Silvally's failing is that likely someone at Gamefreak is thinking "it's a fake Arceus so it MUST be worse than Arceus" so that person who was likely in charge of Silvally's stats, movepool, and ability likely kept hitting it with the nerf stick, because they kept thinking "It's a fake Arceus so it needs to not be able to do things Arceus can"

This. There's no other reason why the memories would work like plates, or why it can't use Z-crystals to change types like Arceus can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:53:09 No.34108984 Report

Quoted By: >>34109765

>>34108936
They had a winning formula with Lucario and they fucked it up. Zoroark would be way more popular if N had gifted you an egg or something in a mid-late game dungeon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:53:20 No.34108985 Report

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>>34108973
*wouldn't work like plates

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:53:52 No.34108991 Report

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>>34108961
Yeah I remember it in BW2 and XY, that was what I was referencing in terms of post debut shilling but I thought that was just their attempt to keep it relevant after zoroark failed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:54:15 No.34108993 Report

Quoted By: >>34109019

>>34108949
That is also a factor. A proper shillmon NEEDS to be easily acquired, overwhelmingly powerful in some way and aesthetically pleasing. That's the current flaw with almost every shillmon they make now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:55:55 No.34109019 Report

Quoted By: >>34109038 >>34109048 >>34109067 >>34109071 >>34109075

>>34108993
Mimikyu kinda worked out, nobody seems to dislike it and it's OU right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:57:10 No.34109038 Report

Quoted By: >>34109075 >>34109087 >>34109092

>>34109019
It's not a shillmon til it gets a movie or heavy anime presence

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:57:45 No.34109048 Report

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>>34109019
>mfw mimikyu will never have a evolution he gets through happiness when he realizes his trainer loves him for what he truly is and takes off his disguise

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:58:52 No.34109067 Report

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>>34109019
Mimikyu isn't easily acquired, but being a totem, players will still get to see it and acknowledge it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:59:07 No.34109070 Report

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>>34108821
Only because Silvally was a failure

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:59:09 No.34109071 Report

Quoted By: >>34110473

>>34109019
Mimikyu was a surprise success, the shilling didn't begin until after it became a fan favourite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 19:59:16 No.34109075 Report

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>>34109019
It's not the quote on quote "shillmon" but a fan favorite cute Pokemon like Braxien I guess

>>34109038
>THE Pokemon that made Ash lose to Team Rocket
>not relevant

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:00:16 No.34109087 Report

Quoted By: >>34109114

>>34109038
By this logic, there is no shillmons this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:00:22 No.34109092 Report

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>>34109038
Mimikyu does have heavy anime presence
I would say that if any Pokemon qualifies as a Proper Shillmon of Gen 7 it is Mimikyu.

It's an unnatural shillmon, one in which Gamefreak realizes after the fact that it is popular and tries to push. It wasn't designed with shilling in mind, but as it's gained an acceptable level of popularity it is now one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:01:19 No.34109114 Report

Quoted By: >>34109147 >>34109150

>>34109087
Literally duskdog

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:03:15 No.34109140 Report

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>>34108762
Silvally it's not the Lucario of this gen it's the furfag , it's entire design is based that's a failure

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:03:44 No.34109147 Report

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>>34109114
It didn't have that much of a presence outside it's evolution and 2 battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:03:57 No.34109150 Report

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>>34109114
Duskdog is going down the failure hole with the other failed Shillmon. It doesn't have the battle power to be successful

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:04:39 No.34109157 Report

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>>34108852
Are you retarded?

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:07:06 No.34109181 Report

Quoted By: >>34109655

Ultra Necrozma is this gen's shillmon. They finally made a Pokemon that can appeal to both casual normie plebs (le ebin huge powerful dragon) and hipster contrarian weirdo (UB that's practically an objectmon).

Hopefully it becomes popular enough to get a shiny distro with Dragon Hammer, Dragon Tail, and Draco Meteor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:07:29 No.34109188 Report

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>>34108786
dumb ass logic

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:09:12 No.34109209 Report

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These are the non starter Shillmon I can think of. My favorite for sure is Lycanrock and I hope any of its forms makes it into smash or even a Pokken sequel

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:18:09 No.34109306 Report

Quoted By: >>34109543 >>34109719

>>34108762
I hate Lucario so fucking much because his whole campaign ruined Zoroark.

Zoroark is very clearly not an attempt at pandering to furfags; he's based on quite a specific set of legends including not just kitsune but other tricksters from folklore like Reynard the fox and kabuki characters such as Goemon. His body type, in-game mechanics and general lack of presence proves that he was never even considered as a sort of furry dick sacrifice, but has been misconstrued as one. Compare him with Zeraora, which is most definitely the former - it has no qualities OTHER than being a Lucario-style furbait character.

Just...I don't know, Zoroark's not my favourite Pokemon or anything. I just feel bad. He's that guy who came to the party and everyone screamed REEEEEEEE and he's like "What the fuck did I do?".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:20:12 No.34109330 Report

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>>34108786
>Lucario rank is max rank in that spinoff series
>XY give you a free, very strong Lucario with its Mega Stone as your canon first Mega
>Multiple movies starring it
>Multiple powerful characters use one
>I don't know if you've ever been to a Pokecentre store but holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:27:28 No.34109417 Report

Quoted By: >>34109437

>>34108825
It’s underrepresented currently. All it has going for it is Pokken tournament, which no one even cares about. Lycanroc and Incineroar are 10x more shilled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:29:06 No.34109437 Report

Quoted By: >>34109484 >>34109526 >>34109556

>>34109417
they put fucking Empoleon in Pokkén, which is probably the least fan-favourite final stage water starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:31:01 No.34109462 Report

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>>34108825
A shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:32:43 No.34109484 Report

Quoted By: >>34109513 >>34109515

>>34109437
I’d argue that’s Primarina. Either people despise her or love her
Or maybe I’m just saying that because Empoleom is my favorite fully evolved water starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:34:44 No.34109513 Report

Quoted By: >>34109759 >>34109808 >>34109989

>>34109484
I hate him mostly because Torterra and Infernape are so much more cooler than him. It's not like in gen 5 when all the starters are equally hideous

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:34:55 No.34109515 Report

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>>34109484
>her

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:35:02 No.34109517 Report

Quoted By: >>34109562 >>34109576

>>34108762
the key to a good shillmon is to make it appealing and viable without falling under special categories like legendaries, pseudos or mythicals

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:36:01 No.34109526 Report

Quoted By: >>34109569

>>34109437
I always had the impression that people liked it because of Piplup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:36:40 No.34109543 Report

Quoted By: >>34110049

>>34109306
I like the clown makeup it has on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:37:38 No.34109556 Report

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>>34109437
Empolean is pretty well liked though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:38:07 No.34109562 Report

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>>34109517
Starters are a special category and they have some of the most successful shillmons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:38:37 No.34109569 Report

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>>34109526
That's why they gave Dawn's piplup an everstone, the japs and anyone with good taste think Piplup's evos are fugly as hell

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:39:13 No.34109576 Report

Quoted By: >>34109856

>>34109517
This is why Zeraora will fail. I'm sick of game freak locking Pokemon behind stupid events. Even worse when it's unbreedable

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:42:05 No.34109616 Report

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>>34108786
Er what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:44:46 No.34109655 Report

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>>34109181
>(UB that's practically an objectmon)
It was.
Now it's just some etherial dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:46:05 No.34109680 Report

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>>34108914
Braixen isn't even a shillmon. Just another popular waifumon like Gardevoir, but nothing in the top ranks of popularity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:48:55 No.34109719 Report

Quoted By: >>34110049

>>34109306
>His body type
It practically has thunder thighs
>>34109306
>he was never even considered as a sort of furry dick sacrifice
Its debut movie portrayed it as a mother which most people find attractive in anything female.
There was also that whole gag of Zorua turning into Dawn that was done solely so people could fantasize about fucking it as a cute girl

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:52:07 No.34109759 Report

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>>34109513
>literally my mom's ankylomon and literally my mom's goku being better than the patrician bird
Truly the taste of an underage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:52:18 No.34109765 Report

Quoted By: >>34109894

>>34108984
But then that would mean Zoroark would have competed with Lucario's popularity, and Game Freak couldn't allow that. So next gen, you get a Lucario town with a Lucario temple with a giant Lucario statue to commemorate that Lucario was the first Pokemon to achieve Mega, and then you get your own Lucario with a mega stone so you to can have a Mega Lucario.
Lucario's design isn't that special, anyway, it has weird blindfold head tumor dreadlocks, MC Hammer shorts, and a giant nose instead of a dog muzzle. It was supposed to be like Anubis or something, right? All I see is the jackal ears.
Zoroark was more consistently designed, it looks like it has the face makeup, giant wig, and shoulder pads of a kabuki character. The gem on the tail is the fox's soul or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:54:59 No.34109808 Report

Quoted By: >>34109880

>>34109513
Fair point. It took me years to decide on a favorite Sinnoh starter because they’re all pretty great. Up until last year I’d probably choose Torterra.

Same goes for Hoenn. Sceptile was my favorite for a while, then Blaziken, then Swampert when ORAS came out, and now Sceptile again.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:56:26 No.34109831 Report

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these are your gen 7 shillmons and theyre both pretty fucking successful

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:57:52 No.34109856 Report

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>>34109576
What's the point in having event-locked pokemon in the first place? I mean, I know they want to advertise the movies or some shitty konbini or cafe opening in Tokyo, but couldn't they make money by selling the pokemon post-event for a small fee? "Pay 1.99 for Mew", they'd make millions. I mean, I'd prefer them to just have them all available in game and I despise microtransactions, but they are missing out on big money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 20:59:32 No.34109880 Report

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>>34109808
I remember liking Blaziken more before GF made 3 fire/fighting starters in a row

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:00:21 No.34109894 Report

Quoted By: >>34109950

>>34109765
Not really. Lucario was already shafted in BW because it was Unova mons only. Zoroark didn’t have to compete, but GF stupidly made it a pain in the ass to get.

Lucario doesn’t need to compete anymore. It’s reached a high status. They can keep making clones of it while keeping him around, like they do with Pikachu and its clones. That’s why Rockruff was so heavily advertised, available early and the ace mon of a Kahuna and the champion battle.

Now that I think of it, I wonder why Ash never had a Riolu or Lucario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:02:02 No.34109921 Report

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Silvally isn't a shillmon. It didn't even get it's own Z-move, for Christ's sake. I wish it was a shillmon, because shillmon get lots of merchandise and I'm still waiting for a Silvally plush.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:04:06 No.34109950 Report

Quoted By: >>34110001

>>34109894
Ash never had a Lucario because that would mean Lucario would have to lose in the league, but they can't allow that. Unstoppable force meats unmovable object: Ash can't win and Lucairo can't lose. Solution: give Riolu/Lucario to the one character even dumber than Ash who ends up beating Ash anyway.
As for Rockruff...they could have at least made it's evos better. They just ended up being shitmons, despite having fun designs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:06:03 No.34109989 Report

Quoted By: >>34110363

>>34109513
You just have bad taste.

Where I'm from, Empoleon is fucking sick, and everyone, even adults who aren't that into Pokemon, agree. The ankylosaur tortoise is cool but the monkey is gay, too cartoony.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:07:17 No.34110001 Report

Quoted By: >>34110107

>>34109950
Actually, this might be why Greninja lost, too. Greninja was in danger of temporarily overshadowing Charizard, but moreso would be an easybutton for Ash to win a league, so they wrote Greninja out of the show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:11:06 No.34110049 Report

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>>34109543
It's kabuki, but I'm guessing you were being facetious. I like to think Zoroark is one of the first examples of "ironically edgy" that /v/ likes to throw around; its kabuki markings make it look like they tried to make it like Shadow the Hedgehog, yet they're based on legit, actual facepaint you can go and see today.

>>34109719
>It practically has thunder thighs
Anon, I don't know if you will be able to understand what I'm going to try to convey to you, but in short: that's your dirty mind interpreting it as that. Most canid animals have larger upper legs. That's really all there is to it. What you've done is the equivalent of looking at a wolf and going "THICC"

>Its debut movie portrayed it as a mother which most people find attractive in anything female.
I mean fair enough, I don't understand why Zoroark had a movie about it. Especially such a bad one. But I didn't pick up on any of that weird shit; do you fantasize about your own mother? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make fun of you, but genuinely, just because some people find something arousing does not make every instance of it in fiction an attempt at pandering to those people.
As for the Dawn thing, my guess is that it's a reference to how Kitsune usually appear to humans as a female. I mean if the Zoroark in question was a female (mother) anyway, how exactly is that out of the blue?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:13:48 No.34110107 Report

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>>34110001
I mean it's fitting realistically to why Greninja was overthrown by Charizard
Still was abullshit fight though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:19:41 No.34110193 Report

Quoted By: >>34110219 >>34110241 >>34110335

>>34108762
>Why does GF struggles so much to make another succesful shillmon

But they didn't tho. The only problem they have right now is shilling the obvious popular shillmon. But in a sense you're kinda right they tried to shill Lycanrock Dusk which is literally midday Lycanrock recolor.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:20:58 No.34110219 Report

Quoted By: >>34110258 >>34110335

>>34110193
Oh I forgot to put the pic.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:22:31 No.34110241 Report

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>>34110193
go away comedy relief anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:23:30 No.34110258 Report

Quoted By: >>34110301 >>34111319

>>34110219
At this point Rowlett is probably more popular than Decidueye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:26:27 No.34110301 Report

Quoted By: >>34111319

>>34110258
It always was though, Rowlet's merch sell like hotcakes, like Mimikyu and Alolan Vulpix.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:29:09 No.34110335 Report

Quoted By: >>34111424

>>34110193
>>34110219
They tried shilling it a few times, even with Pokken, but it didn't really work out.
Japan don't care enough about, and that's the one place that matters the most.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:31:17 No.34110363 Report

Quoted By: >>34110379 >>34110427 >>34110657 >>34113073

>>34109989
What I don't like about him is that I don't it is even possible to make a penguin look badass, they are just flightless birds with bodies shaped like bowling pins. I think the only animal that can be even less intimidating than a penguin is a dodo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:31:39 No.34110371 Report

Quoted By:

just a reminder that in order to obtain a Zoroark in it's debut game you needed a HGSS event pokemon, so if BW was your first Pokemon game you couldn't get one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:32:19 No.34110379 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110363
>I don't even think it is

fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:34:48 No.34110427 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110363
That's fine, but Empoleon is not a penguin. Empoleon is a Pocket Monster, whose design may have been influenced by real-world penguins. He looks great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:38:01 No.34110473 Report

Quoted By: >>34110505 >>34110511 >>34110631

>>34109071
Nah, they planned for it to be popular too. Remember the dong it got before release?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:39:16 No.34110505 Report

Quoted By: >>34110611

>>34110473
I-I beg your pardon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:39:46 No.34110511 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110473
I-I don't remember Mimikyu's dong

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:45:28 No.34110611 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110505
I uh, mean the song it got. The rap

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:46:03 No.34110617 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108852
WTF?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:47:09 No.34110631 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110473
>the dong it got

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:49:04 No.34110648 Report

Quoted By: >>34110675 >>34110678 >>34110830 >>34110844 >>34111708 >>34111810

Shillmons by Generation:
Gen 1: Pikachu, Charizard, Snorlax, Gyarados, Eevee, Mewtwo, maybe Jigglypuff
Gen 2: none really stand out to me. Maybe Celebi but only because it has 4829 distributions. Togepi and Marill back in the day.
Gen 3: Metagross? Deoxys? Rayquaza? Again, not much here.
Gen 4: Piplup, Lucario, Arceus, Garchomp
Gen 5: Zoroark for 5 seconds. Now it has 0
Gen 6: Greninja, Sylveon but only during XY prerelease. Zygarde for 5 seconds when they showed off it’s complete form but did literally nothing with it
Gen 7: Rowlet, Lycanroc, Mimikyu, potentially Incineroar, Cosmog, Alolan Exxegutor, Alolan Vulpix, maybe Bewear

Feel free to argue or add

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:49:55 No.34110657 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110363
>they are just flightless birds with bodies shaped like bowling pins.
You could make any Pokemon sound useless and weak like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:50:21 No.34110659 Report

Quoted By:

What if Zoroark was Dark/Fairy? Would it make him strong enough with the access of Fairy coverage and STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:51:27 No.34110675 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110648
Suicune is a gen 2 shillmon. Alolan excegutor is more of a mememon than a shillmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:51:39 No.34110678 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110648
>Garchomp
I don't know. Garchomp isn't really on the same level as the other Pokemons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 21:58:44 No.34110766 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108820
Not it wasnt, it was marketed as the Anti-Ultra Beast

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:03:48 No.34110830 Report

Quoted By: >>34111177 >>34111810

>>34110648
Here's my take. Been here since gen 1.

>RBY originally
Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise, Mewtwo, Gyarados, Snorlax
>Post-gen
Eevee, Pikachu, Charizard, Mewtwo

>GSC originally
Togepi, Tyranitar, Lugia, Entei, Suicune
>Post-gen
Ho-Oh, Suicune

>RSE originally
Blaziken, Dusclops, Deoxys
>Post-gen
Blaziken, Rayquaza

>DPP originally
Infernape, Empoleon, Torterra, Lucario, Luxray, Dialga & Palkia
>Post-gen
Lucario, Giratina, Arceus, sort of Garchomp

>BW originally
Zoroark, Purrloin, Cinccino, Haxorus, Galvantula, Druddigon, Cofagrigus
>Post-gen
Nothing

>XY originally
Talonflame, Doublade & Aegislash, Sylveon
>Post-gen
Greninja, Zygarde

>SM originally
Rowlet, Litten, Tapu Koko, Bewear, Alolan Vulpix & Ninetales, Alolan Exeggutor, Vikavolt
>Post-gen
Necrozma, Lycanroc, Mimikyu

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:04:38 No.34110839 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108842
You people sicken me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:04:43 No.34110844 Report

Quoted By: >>34110874

>>34110648
I'd say Blaziken and Sceptile for gen 3, Suicune, maybe Scizor and the legendary dogs for gen 2?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:05:45 No.34110859 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108786
It was shilled before gen 4 even began.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:06:53 No.34110874 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110844
I'm dumb, Suicune is part of the legendary dogs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:07:11 No.34110880 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108786

>if Lucario was a shillmon, it wouldn't be shilled!

You're a complete fucking retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:11:16 No.34110967 Report

Quoted By:

Lycanroc could have worked, any of its forms, but they forgot to make them good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:20:10 No.34111095 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108762
Be nice to my bro Zoro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:26:12 No.34111177 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110830
Munchlax for gen 4. It was everywhere. The Rayquaza movie, May had one, XD, Mystery Dungeon, I think Ranger too. I remember getting actions figures of it, Blaziken and Grovyle as a kid and it’s the only one that didn’t break. I still have it.
Bonsly, Weavile and Mime Jr. to a lesser extent as well.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:36:08 No.34111319 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110258
I've been giving evidence of Decidueye being miles more popular than Rowlet for so long that I think I'm not going to show it this time. I'm just going to give you your (YOU) and be on my way.

>>34110301
First your only looking at the plushis sells how about you look at any other merchandise that both Rowlet and Decidueye gets. And Decidueye is getting some too so what are you on about?

Also I know you don't feel stupid yet but, how can you see the sell results if they haven't been shown yet? Oh, and if you show me results from plushis then you've just proven my point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:43:50 No.34111424 Report

Quoted By:

>>34110335
>They tried shilling it a few times, even with Pokken, but it didn't really work out.

But it did tho. Pokken DX sells were pretty good tho. it wasn't as big of a sell as it's original because it was just a port of the original. But no one is expecting a port to do as good as the original, unless you think pokemon Ultra sun and moon will sell twice more the sun and moon at launch. Plus they only added one new fighter, but despite that the game sells were good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 22:45:13 No.34111447 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108842
Kill yourself you subhuman filth

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:01:22 No.34111708 Report

Quoted By: >>34111891 >>34112149 >>34112645

>>34110648
>Gen 7:
>Rowlet,
*Decidueye
>Lycanroc,
It failed it's job. But it wasn't Lycanrocks fault, it was the lazy people who made Dusk literally midday recolor, and it's stats in game and shiny don't help it's case either. Also a fan favorite of Verlis, And if he likes you then there's something wrong.
>Mimikyu,
Actually yes, it's both popular and cute, and maintains its position unless proven otherwise.
>potentially Incineroar,
Not really, but keep trying weirdo.
>Cosmog,
*Sun lion
>Alolan Exxegutor,
Not a shillmon just a meme that died 2016.
>Alolan Vulpix,
Not really either. Because most of it's shilling comes from lillie in the anime, But I wouldn't call that self shilling. But then again A-Greninja. Okay I'll let her pass.
>maybe Bewear
You watch the anime too much and it's showing. Name one thing this thing got out side of the anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:02:26 No.34111723 Report

Quoted By: >>34112336

>>34108786
this, nobody ever cared about lucario
even mimikyu is more succesful

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:04:35 No.34111762 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108762
>shill it in the anime
>make it easily available ingame
>make it actually worth using both ingame and competitively
That's all you need. There's a reason why Greninja is popular while Zoroark and Lycanroc are ignored.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:07:35 No.34111810 Report

Quoted By: >>34111829 >>34111904

>>34110648
>>34110830

Plusle and Minun were the only Pokemon I remember being pushed around Gen III. If I recall, Duskull and Wailmer were the first two Pokemon revealed and Kecleon got his own episode before Hoenn but none of them were really marketed.

Gen III was a strange time really, PokeMania was dead and a lot of the casual fans had left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:08:52 No.34111829 Report

Quoted By: >>34111879

>>34111810
the first gen 3 pokemon revealed was wynaut

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:11:54 No.34111879 Report

Quoted By:

>>34111829

I always forget about Wynaut. Don't think I even had internet back then, I just remember seeing the new Pokemon in a magazine.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:12:43 No.34111891 Report

Quoted By:

>>34111708

>Bewear
>Team Rocket in show and Lusamine in game
>shit ton of plushes
>literally 6 TCG cards
>Halloween plush series along with Pikachu/Mimikyu/Eevee
>This creepy costume at those japanese pokemon centers

not him but Japan really likes that bear-thing a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:13:35 No.34111904 Report

Quoted By: >>34112631

>>34111810
Pretty much, the franchise's popularity increased again in gen 4 when you could finally play with your friends without buying an add-on accessory(the cable link) and the competitive scenario became huge as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:31:52 No.34112149 Report

Quoted By: >>34112364 >>34112422 >>34113506 >>34117137

>>34111708
Decidueye
>Pokken Tournament
>Off model promo poster for Ultra Megalopolis

Incineroar
>20th Movie Rival’s ace
>Rainbow Rocket Promo Picture
>Interactable character in the over world of USUM

And please show me where Solgaleo is pushed more than Lunala. Nebby spawned a meme, has a shit ton of merchandise and is front and center of the anime right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:43:22 No.34112336 Report

Quoted By: >>34112394 >>34117092

>>34111723
>Lucario is Japan's fifthteenth favorite Pokemon
>No one cares about Lucario

https://www.polygon.com/2016/6/7/11878224/most-popular-pokemon-top-100-list

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:45:01 No.34112364 Report

Quoted By:

>>34112149
>Interactable character in the over world of USUM

Face it you even you know this doesn't need to be here. You only said this because you were very desperate to nitpick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:46:52 No.34112394 Report

Quoted By: >>34112440

>>34112336
>linking to polygon
Yeah, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:48:47 No.34112422 Report

Quoted By:

>>34112149
>And please show me where Solgaleo is pushed more than Lunala

Just look at the pokemon sun and anime poster for what use to be a new photo for the series. And also go look at the new episodes previous, Sun lion is appearing to help out ash find his stolen child.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:50:00 No.34112440 Report

Quoted By:

>>34112394
>Being this afraid of the truth

https://www.dualshockers.com/japan-votes-for-their-favorite-mon-in-the-pokemon-general-election-current-top-100-revealed/

Kek. If Lucario wasn't popular they would've given up on it like they did Zoroark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2017 23:52:52 No.34112475 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108855
No, obviously the strongest mon is a PU shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 00:03:13 No.34112631 Report

Quoted By: >>34112870

>>34111904
The overwhelming amount of piracy for the DS might have worked in Pokémon's favor in the long run, at least around here. Most DS owners around my school were playing DP since so many of them had flashcards. I'd definitely say I was one of them, gen 3 really turned me off at first because I thought the Pokémon designs and promotional art was weird plus the lack of cross-gen trading and more substantial real-time clock use. I've really warmed up to gen 3 now but that was the first time they started cutting a lot of features between gens we're so used to now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 00:04:14 No.34112645 Report

Quoted By: >>34113506

>>34111708
>>maybe Bewear
>Name one thing this thing got out side of the anime
a card in nearly every TCG set since SM launched. Which is unheard of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 00:04:45 No.34112658 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108762
Because they refuse to make it a meta mon. It helped a lot that Lucario was OU back in Gen 4, while Zororak got fucked from the get go with its gimmick getting shitted on due to Team Preview, and Silvally is just plain shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 00:07:12 No.34112698 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108820
You either don't know what a shillmon is or are trying to be funny

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 00:16:29 No.34112860 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108762
How to make it better:

>Give it a 50% recovery move like Roost, Recover, Softboiled, etc
>Have Z Crystals change it's type
>Have the Memories give their respective type attack a boost (maybe 20% or 30%)
>Make it base 100 all around

That would basically just make it Arceaus lite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 00:17:00 No.34112870 Report

Quoted By:

>>34112631
The piracy worked well for gen 3 too, pokemon ruby was the very first game I ever emulated

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 00:31:12 No.34113073 Report

Quoted By: >>34113092 >>34113163

>>34110363
>I don't think it is even possible to make a penguin look badass
>Forgetting the perfect penguin

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 00:32:43 No.34113092 Report

Quoted By:

>>34113073
I yeah I always forget DDD is a penguin, I remember thinking he was some kind of fat blue dude with huge orange lips

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Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 00:37:28 No.34113163 Report

Quoted By:

>>34113073
wrong pic anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 01:00:25 No.34113506 Report

Quoted By:

>>34112645
>a card in nearly every TCG set since SM launched. Which is unheard of.

So, Decidueye before the band of forest of giant plants. The TCG is another shill moment for Decidueye I wonder why this denial fag here >>34112149
didn't bring it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 02:25:47 No.34114488 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108830
Lucario dies in a movie?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 02:31:39 No.34114531 Report

Quoted By:

>>34108847
God talking about god? What nonsense is this?

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Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 03:52:43 No.34115343 Report

Quoted By: >>34117281 >>34117329

>>34108762
but sonichu the mythical's design was leaked only a couple days ago
zeora is the new shitty shillmon for furfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 06:50:24 No.34117092 Report

Quoted By: >>34118808

>>34112336
Considering this list was for pokemon to get the next event thats why all the legends are there
and loads of kids voting to get ash greninja in there games
i wouldn't count this
is Arceus really the second most popular Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 06:55:22 No.34117137 Report

Quoted By:

>>34112149
Solgaleo is appearing in the anime. One of GF's ads made a point that you can ride of Solgaleo in USUM. GF shows obvious favoritism towards Sun/US.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 07:12:56 No.34117281 Report

Quoted By:

>>34115343
>citation needed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 07:20:26 No.34117329 Report

Quoted By:

>>34115343
More like the new Volcanion that's going to be overshadowed by Gen 8 prerelease.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2017 12:28:11 No.34118808 Report

Quoted By:

>>34117092
>is Arceus really the second most popular Pokemon

Why are you surprised? It's powerful, can change types with its unique ability, rare, and is pretty much Pokemon God.

MTS

MTS Wed 28 Mar 2018 20:33:57 No.34118808,3 Report Delete

Quoted By:

Honestly, I would say Incineroar is the shill Mon of gen 7 (YES! After 2 gens in a row where my starter really suffered, my favorite gets more attention.)

Movie 20

Tragic backstory, though this happens with almost all fire starters Ash gets

Best deal with Move Tutors in the Ultra games

Best Hidden Ability, even though I'm not competitive

1st full evo starter to get a focus episode

His debut had him one shot the other 2 and a Machamp after taking 0 damage from their attacks

Ash's Litten is 1st main cast starter to evolve

The only final starter evo where you see the overworld model regardless of which starter you picked in Ultra

Kukui's/Masked Royal's Incineroar has a rivalry with Ash's Torracat

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