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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 18:58:41 No.34315350 View View Reply Original Report

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Made to mirror Arceus and kill Ultra beasts and has a great design, but is actually shit tier in battle. What will save this poor creature?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 18:59:22 No.34315360 Report

Quoted By: >>34315901 >>34317695 >>34319630

>>34315350
105 stats across the board, all of Arceus' moves, and removing memories and making its ability work off of plates and Z-Crystals

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:00:23 No.34315371 Report

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>>34315350
Mega evo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:00:38 No.34315375 Report

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>>34315350
A better movepool. Things like Dragon Dance and Recover/Roost to start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:05:22 No.34315415 Report

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I like what I see. Too bad it will never happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:05:59 No.34315421 Report

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>>34315350
Protean HA

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:06:57 No.34315432 Report

Quoted By: >>34315466

>>34315350
is it true that this fucker is NU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:10:06 No.34315466 Report

Quoted By: >>34315511

>>34315432
PU. It's worse than fucking Cryogonal

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:12:04 No.34315491 Report

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>>34315350
There are lots of ways. Give it espeed, EQ and recover, make drives boost damage like plates, make it change type from z crystals, or even change the drive mechanic to be an inventory toggle, allowing it to still hold an item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:12:25 No.34315497 Report

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>>34315350
headcanons will save it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:14:13 No.34315511 Report

Quoted By: >>34315562 >>34317275

>>34315466
i haven't been keeping up with smogon. obviously. what makes Silvally so awful? does it have the worst moveset in existence?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:19:23 No.34315562 Report

Quoted By: >>34315575

>>34315511
No it's just really lucklustre in its stat spread and movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:20:36 No.34315575 Report

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>>34315562
Like, it lacks reliable recovery and strong coverage moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:24:10 No.34315610 Report

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>>34315350
It does what it was made for. Would be nice if it was better, but eh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:31:29 No.34315695 Report

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It isn't a true Arceus so 120 on attack,special attack and speed while having 60 on the other stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:45:21 No.34315901 Report

Quoted By: >>34316069 >>34317043

>>34315360
>Arceus Lite
Great way to make it even MORE pointless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:46:58 No.34315913 Report

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>>34315350
>What will save this poor creature?
Inevitably, a signature Z move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 19:48:14 No.34315932 Report

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>type changes with Z-crystals
>gets recover, close combat, earthquake, stone edge, aura sphere, hydro pump
>breedable
There I fixed it. Or at least made it more fun to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 20:02:30 No.34316061 Report

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>Adaptability
>RKS System is a Key Item

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 20:03:30 No.34316069 Report

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>>34315901
>making it useful is making it more pointless

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 20:03:38 No.34316071 Report

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>>34315350
>disc actually work like plates
>+5 bst to each stat
>a better move pool

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 20:05:12 No.34316092 Report

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Hidden ability that gets a speed and attack and special attack boost when an ultra beast is on the field? It's supposed to be the Ultra Beast Killer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 20:43:24 No.34316527 Report

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Give Type:Null some form of recovery and it's fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 20:45:33 No.34316551 Report

Quoted By: >>34317043

>>34315350
Don't evolve it, give it Eviolite

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:25:03 No.34316998 Report

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JUST
GIVE IT
RECOVER

pls GF as a sweeper it's fucked but it has good support potential

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:26:44 No.34317015 Report

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Buff its BST to match Mew and make its memories not use an item slot. The anime already showed they get inserted into its skull so its easy to justiry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:28:13 No.34317030 Report

Quoted By: >>34317499

>>34316069
Giving it Arceus's movepool and plates makes it pointless

There's no point in using it if it plays exactly like Arceus but weaker

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:28:54 No.34317043 Report

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>>34316551
Then it's just a worse Porygon 2.

>>34315901
Arceus isn't usable in ranked you dumbass. That was the whole point of this thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:32:10 No.34317075 Report

Quoted By: >>34317601

>buffing its stats
No, it's supposed to match gen 7 legends with 570 BST. If its movepool and Drives were buffed it would be perfectly usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:37:50 No.34317123 Report

Quoted By: >>34317152

>>34315350
give multi-attack +1 priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:41:03 No.34317152 Report

Quoted By: >>34317268

>>34317123
Come on son, you gotta meme harder than that
>+2 priority to match extreme speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:44:16 No.34317188 Report

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Z heal block
Tri attack
Flamenwerfer
Coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:45:04 No.34317199 Report

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>>34315350
Expand its movepool, both in terms of coverage and utility. Defog was nice to get, but not quite enough. Recover wouls be great. Also, either allow Z-crystal to change its type or give the drives another effect like plates do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:51:33 No.34317268 Report

Quoted By: >>34317315 >>34317353

>>34317152
i mean
that really wouldnt change much aside from pissing off sucker punch users
its still weak as shit, the utility of being able to change its type is what matters since you get to basically tailor-make a revenge killer to delete specific threats
thats the only thing you can really do to make it good aside from just making it mew 2.0 by overloading its movepool
and even then mew would still be the one with better stats, stab, and a not-worthless ability while all it would have on mew is parting shot and moderately better defensive typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:51:54 No.34317269 Report

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>>34315350
1. Recovery
2. All the support moves that Arceus doesn't have like Leech Seed, Heal Bell, Rapid Spin, etc.
3. Nasty Plot and Dragon Dance
4. Drives can activate Z Moves

This makes it different from Arceus while still being good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:52:08 No.34317275 Report

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>>34315511
1. Crap move pool, even with tutors, it is still extremely shallow and lacks recovery or setup moves.
2. No definitive slot or role, being mediocre in all stats, with a forgettable ability and outshined by all manner of other Pokemon.
3. Sacrifice held item in order to be *type*.
4. Appeared in a generation against 4+ *really* strong legendaries, and all the min-maxed ultra beasts, it died through being too average.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:56:01 No.34317315 Report

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>>34317268
It's not a big difference. It's a harder meme by combining Arceus's two signature moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 21:59:34 No.34317353 Report

Quoted By: >>34317543

>>34317268
90 BP priority with any type is a hell of a niche. It also lets you take advantage of its bulk with the option to forego speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:00:23 No.34317359 Report

Quoted By: >>34317396

>>34315350

Hes actually good vs UB's...

You see, UB's are not pkm battles, are wild pkm. And when you're vs wild UB, your type is everything. Ex. Steel Silvally vs Nihilego is a easy win, he cant touch you. Fairy vs Guzlord, Fire vs Kartana, Ground vs Xtree, Fight vs Stakataka.

I could go on but you should have understood by now. Silvally is actually really good vs wild UB's, hence the name UB-Killer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:04:39 No.34317396 Report

Quoted By: >>34317555

>>34317359
But we are talking about competitive meta, not about PvE fights.

Also there are better options for all of those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:09:38 No.34317438 Report

Quoted By: >>34317465

Remove RKS System as its ability, replace it with Adaptability. RKS System is now a key item, lets you program Silvally to be any type or any dual-type combo. Multi-Attack works off Silvally's primary type. Or maybe it can function like Flying Press and take both types into account.

Expand Silvally's movepool. Give it EQ and ESpeed, Hydro Pump, Stone Edge, Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Sludge Bomb/Wave, Gunk Shot, Recover, Nasty Plot, Dragon Dance, etc. Just fuckin load it up with options.

If that's not enough toss +5 or +10 to each of its base stats, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:10:43 No.34317449 Report

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>>34315350
Give it a not garbage movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:12:26 No.34317465 Report

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>>34317438
>Multi-Attack works off Silvally's primary type
"Multi" attack should be multityped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:15:49 No.34317499 Report

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>>34317030
It's already Arceus but weaker you fucking retard
That's the entire point of the design, might as well make it actually usable

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:21:44 No.34317543 Report

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>>34317353
its still weaker than most of the other prominent priority abusers because no item, no ability, 95 base attack
not to mention no recovery
check dem calcs, i set the mew to typeless:
+2 252+ Atk Silvally Multi-Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 261-307 (76.5 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 281-331 (82.4 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Dread Plate Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 294-346 (86.2 - 101.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Sharp Beak Gale Wings Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 342-403 (100.2 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:22:47 No.34317555 Report

Quoted By: >>34317647

>>34317396

Maybe there are better options, but not as a single pkm, that you only have to train once.

And there is nothing wrong with the nickname or the fact that it is shit.

The birds are shit, the beasts are shit, the regis are shit. Silv is no different.

I say, let it be, no point arguing about something we can do nothing about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:24:08 No.34317568 Report

Quoted By: >>34317598

>>34315350
>and has a great design
too much of a manlet for what it's supposed to mirror

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:27:05 No.34317598 Report

Quoted By: >>34317657

>>34317568
>manlet
>7'7 tall quadruped

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:27:26 No.34317601 Report

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>>34317075
>it's supposed to match gen 7 legends with 570 BST
fuck that.
If donut steel OC can get 600 so can Silvally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:31:50 No.34317647 Report

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>>34317555
>The birds are shit, the beasts are shit
Suicine and Zapdos are pretty solid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:32:55 No.34317657 Report

Quoted By: >>34317684

>>34317598
>without the pencil neck and head crest it would be shorter than a fucking child

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:36:29 No.34317684 Report

Quoted By: >>34317714

>>34317657
Nigger a siberian tiger is only about 3'9" at the shoulder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:37:50 No.34317695 Report

Quoted By: >>34317704

>>34315360
>make it work off z-crystals
I didn't want to spend today pissed at gamefreak, and yet here we are

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:38:35 No.34317704 Report

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>>34317695
I guess you already know that Z crystals change Arceus's type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:39:15 No.34317714 Report

Quoted By: >>34317988

>>34317684
and mythological chimera are like 10 feet + at the shoulder.
Your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:48:34 No.34317820 Report

Quoted By: >>34317926

>Change nothing about it's stats and movepool
>make new item "multi memory" that lets you change type whenever you use multi attack

Is it good yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 22:59:45 No.34317926 Report

Quoted By: >>34317992

>>34317820
no

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 23:06:13 No.34317988 Report

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>>34317714
The fuck are you talking about? Mythological creatures never have consistent sizes. Here's an ancient depiction of your "giant" Chimera.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 23:06:33 No.34317992 Report

Quoted By: >>34318001

>>34317926
>SD + STAB super effective coverage against the entire game
>not good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 23:07:10 No.34318001 Report

Quoted By: >>34319560

>>34317992
>get outsped by my mom's dog and oneshot
wew

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Nov 2017 01:23:42 No.34319211 Report

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>>34315350
>Item "RKS System" that lets you change type freely
>Ability RKS System swapped for Adaptability, Memories changed to add a secondary typing on any Silvally (incl. transformed Pokemon)
>Multi-Attack decreased to 70 BP, attacks once for (and as) each of its user's types
>Give it an actual movepool
Boom. Now you can have a single type pseudo-Arceus, or a dual type with a 140 BP move and Adaptability. It even has crazy cheese with Trick or Treat/Forest's Curse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Nov 2017 02:04:46 No.34319560 Report

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>>34318001
>Everything base 95 speed and lower auto loses to a single moveslot
Shucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Nov 2017 02:13:03 No.34319630 Report

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>>34315360
The Memories not working with Z moves is really fucking lame, it should just be something like Rotom where you pick it outside of battle and have it set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Nov 2017 02:14:36 No.34319647 Report

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Given it genders and decent group egg

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 29 Nov 2017 02:17:37 No.34319668 Report

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His card is pretty solid

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