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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 02:43:21 No.36482322 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>36482352 >>36483810 >>36483818 >>36483826 >>36484866 >>36484891 >>36485129 >>36485162 >>36485228 >>36485380 >>36486616 >>36488128 >>36488472 >>36488489 >>36490377

The best team for a regular playthrough of Red and Blue is

>Blastoise
>Nidoking
>Raichu or Jolteon
>Alakazam or Exeggutor
>Snorlax
>Filler

Change my mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 02:50:36 No.36482352 Report

Quoted By: >>36484019

>>36482322
ok, here's the real best team.
>Rattata
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Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 08:56:59 No.36483810 Report

Quoted By: >>36485519

>>36482322
>Venusaur
>Golem/Nidoking
>Alakazam
>Starmie
>two fillers

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 08:59:34 No.36483817 Report

Quoted By: >>36486297

Venusaur is the canon starter so you should choose it. Blastoise is a non-canon starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 08:59:44 No.36483818 Report

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>>36482322
Charizard/Venusaur
Eeveelution
Lapras
Snorlax
Flyer
Filler

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 09:00:46 No.36483820 Report

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Pidgeot is also canon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 09:01:56 No.36483823 Report

Quoted By: >>36485103

And finally, Pikachu is canon.

If you don't choose Bulbasaur, Pidgeot and Pikachu, your team is NOT canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 09:02:54 No.36483826 Report

Quoted By: >>36488531

>>36482322
Walled by Lance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 10:08:25 No.36484019 Report

Quoted By: >>36488389

>>36482352
Thanks Joey, very cool!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 14:44:09 No.36484866 Report

Quoted By:

>>36482322
Charizard
Exeggutor
Jolteon
Nidoqueen
filler
filler

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 14:49:47 No.36484891 Report

Quoted By:

>>36482322
>Blastoise
>Snorlax
>Snorlax
>Zapdos
>Articuno
>Moltres

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 14:56:08 No.36484919 Report

Quoted By: >>36485112 >>36485502

The Slowflake team:
>Venusaur
>Alakazam
>Gengar
>Articuno
>Zapdos
>Moltres (basically a filler)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:37:42 No.36485103 Report

Quoted By: >>36485932 >>36485940

>>36483823
There is nothing in this picture suggesting Charizard is Blue/Green's Pokemon, not Red's and you cant prove otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:38:58 No.36485112 Report

Quoted By: >>36485847

>>36484919
>using a starter and 3 legends
>snowflake

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:42:01 No.36485129 Report

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>>36482322
I don't think trade evolutions should be listed for "regular playthrough" teams.

Also, Exeggutor pretty much requires you take Exeggcute, a late-game Pokemon, all the way to level 48 for Sleep Powder if you want to make the most of it.

I agree with Blastoise, Nidoking, Raichu/Jolteon, and Snorlax, though. People can argue that Lapras outclasses Blastoise, but by the time you get it, Blastoise is already a much higher level and has plowed through half of the game. You can grind for Lapras to catch up, but at that point it isn't worth it.

Venusaur a shit because of the nature of its types in battle making the game a slog. And you'll want Nidoking, but definitely don't want to double up on a Psychic weakness with no real counters in Kanto.

Charizard is out because Fire types are pointless. Can easily be replaced by any bird type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:48:04 No.36485162 Report

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>>36482322
The best team for a playthrough is:
>Blastoise

That's seriously the easiest way to beat the game. You may not like using only one pokemon, but that's what an optimized team looks like. Nidoking/Nidoqueen would be even better if not for the fact that Nidoran has a harder time against Brock and it takes a bit of grinding (compared to 0 grinding with Squirtle and Brock being a joke to him).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 15:55:10 No.36485193 Report

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Take Squirtle, pick up a Nidoran-m and Pikachu early on.

Add a Snorlax who is already a decent level when you get him.

Add Articuno for Flying and for Ice STAB against Lance to back up Blastoise.

Throw in an HM friend or your favorite Pokemon for shits.

Congrats, you destroyed RB with little to no grinding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 16:01:58 No.36485228 Report

Quoted By: >>36485352

>>36482322
>Blastoise (Surf)
>Nidoking
>Kadabra (Flash)
>Dodrio (Fly)
>Jolteon
>Sandslash (Cut, Strength & Dig)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 16:23:54 No.36485352 Report

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>>36485228
Adding on to this;
>Blastoise
Water types are pretty rare until late game outside of Magikarp. Blastoise is the best user of Misty's TM at that point in the game and can upgrade to Surf at Fuchsia. Blizzard TM is buyable early too for some coverage and Blastoise can practically solo Lance with Surf/Blizzard combo.
>Nidoking
Swiss Army Knife mon who can pick up a variety of powerful TM's as coverage for the rest of your party such as Thunderbolt, Blizzard, Fire Blast as well as a late game STAB option in Earthquake.
>Kadabra
Don't actually need to trade evo it because it's stats are still good in it's midform and it's a Psychic Type in Gen 1. Psychic TM from Saffron is all you need but it can tide itself with Confusion > Psybeam until then. Good Flash carrier because it can spare the moveslot too.
>Dodrio
Naturally learns powerful dual STAB options like Drill Peck & Tri Attack and comes before Erika which Doduo can solo and evolve into Dodrio along the way. Can also be the teams Fly user.
>Jolteon
Can be evolved immediatly from Eevee and given Surge's Thunderbolt TM to become an immediate threat. Will level easily off all the Flying users on the way to Fuchsia and destroys the two water routes too.
>Sandslash
Can carry the rest of the HM's while also being a threat itself thanks to the Dig TM giving it an early powerful STAB option. Naturally learns Slash too which is OP in Gen 1 thanks to crit rates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 16:27:47 No.36485380 Report

Quoted By: >>36485438

>>36482322
-Nidoking
-filler bullshit
-filler bullshit
-filler bullshit
-filler bullshit
-filler bullshit

Sometimes Mew if you're feeling cheeky

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 16:37:45 No.36485438 Report

Quoted By: >>36485530

>>36485380
this
Nidoking can solo the entire game with its coverage., you don't need anything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 16:47:31 No.36485502 Report

Quoted By: >>36485847 >>36487957

>>36484919
>3 legendaries
>2 OU
>Starter
Nah. Actual Snowflakecore team:
>Parasect
>Farfetch'd
>Mr. Mime
>Marowak
>Omanyte
>Kangaskhan

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 16:50:29 No.36485519 Report

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>>36483810
This but one of the fillers is Snorlax

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 16:52:33 No.36485530 Report

Quoted By: >>36490482

>>36485438
But it takes some grinding to actually get through Brock with just Nidoran. Squirtle can solo the whole game with its coverage from start to finish with no grinding at all. And even in the two gyms where it should have a type disadvantage, it gets the super-effective TM move to wreck it right before going in. Any pokemon that you add to a Squirtle team aside from HM friends is just slowing it down, including Nidoran.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:33:09 No.36485803 Report

Quoted By: >>36485847

I don't know how anyone can recommend Venusaur over Blastoise in RB. It's not even close.

Blastoise thread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:38:44 No.36485847 Report

Quoted By: >>36485899 >>36486040 >>36486186

>>36485112
>>36485502
Not "snowflake". This is literally the team used by Slowflake in his 2008 Pokemon Red LP/podcast, calculated to be the most efficient way to beat the game.

>>36485803
There are better Water types than Blastoise, Venusaur has a huge edge over both its alternatives with instacrit Razor Leaf going off 100 Special.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:45:05 No.36485899 Report

Quoted By: >>36485917

>>36485847
>There are better Water types than Blastoise
All of which are underleveled by the time you get them in the second half of the game. A waste of time during a regular playthrough for a minimal difference to gameplay.

>>36485847
>Venusaur has a huge edge over both its alternatives with instacrit Razor Leaf going off 100 Special

Venusaur, Victreebel, and Vileplume are pretty useless, are Poison types not named Nidoking, and are outshined entirely by Exeggutor. STAB Grass attacks from a /Poison type aren't going to help you in a region dominated by other Poison types, unchecked Psychic types, and birds everywhere. I like Venusaur just fine but we don't have to pretend here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:47:45 No.36485917 Report

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>>36485899
To add, Jolteon deals with the Water types you'd pit Venusaur against (and the ones you wouldn't, like Lapras and Gyarados). Jolteon also isn't weak to Psychic and is super-effective against Flying types. Venusaur can keep his Razor Leaf, really.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:49:15 No.36485932 Report

Quoted By: >>36485940 >>36485984 >>36486026 >>36486052

>>36485103
It's Blue's Charizard because Blue was always seen with Charmander/Charizard during Red/Green promotional artworks

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:50:31 No.36485940 Report

Quoted By: >>36485984 >>36486026

>>36485103
>>36485932
Also this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:56:48 No.36485984 Report

Quoted By: >>36486010

>>36485932
>>36485940
I always thought it was pretty clear that it was Blue's Charizard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:58:54 No.36486004 Report

Quoted By: >>36486028 >>36486040 >>36486072

Every retarded that says Venusaur isn't the best pick or useless as the dumbasses above need to replace their damaged brains.

>Venusaur has the highest special stats in Gen1, which go for both Offense and Defense
>Venusaur has mutliple broken moves, 100% Critical Rate Razor Leaf and the infamous Leech Seed/Toxic combo
>Only two gyms have a chance against it
>Only Lance of the E4 has an advantage over Venusaur, Bruno and Loreli are small fries while Agatha justs walls it
>Almost 90% of the game have Water, Rock, Ground, Grass and Poison Pokemon, rendering Venusaur to be the one with most advantages.

Meanwhile we have Blastoise
>Outclassed by almost every water type except Seadra and Seaking
>85 special stats and pathetic attack stats.
>slowest Kanto starter
>mono-type
>nothing it can do the other water pokemon can do better

and the fan-favorite starter
>literally useless except for 1 gym which is surrounded by 3 fire pokemon
>only worth it if you like wasting time grinding
>Has only Ember for the majority of the game until lvl 41~48 Flamethrower

Charizard was trash, Blastoise was irrelevant except for Speedruns, Venusaur was the game killer they made it ugly to balance things out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 17:59:24 No.36486010 Report

Quoted By: >>36486026

>>36485984
Also fits that Red has the "green" starter and Green has the "red" starter this way.

It works with the original Red/Green versions, where as the more modern Charizard vs Blastoise, Red vs. Blue fits with the localization more and is the more adopted canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:00:25 No.36486017 Report

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>Not using glitchmon

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:01:36 No.36486026 Report

Quoted By:

>>36485932
>>36485940
>>36486010
Even the Pokemon Center associated Red with Venusaur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:01:42 No.36486028 Report

Quoted By: >>36486042

>>36486004
>Blastoise was irrelevant except for Speedruns
The fact that Blastoise is by and large the best choice for speedruns kills your argument entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:03:36 No.36486038 Report

Quoted By:

Mewtwo
Mew
Alakazam
Tauros
Exeggutor
Starmie

Fire types are worthless in gen 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:03:49 No.36486040 Report

Quoted By: >>36486048

>>36485847
>Not "snowflake". This is literally the team used by Slowflake in his 2008 Pokemon Red LP/podcast, calculated to be the most efficient way to beat the game.
I don't know who that guy is, but how is that team efficient? Unless you're setting some kind of rule where you HAVE to have 6 pokemon, a full team is an inefficient way to beat R/B. The most efficient is a solo run, or at most 2 or 3 pokemon.

>>36486004
>Leech Seed/Toxic combo
You're actually retarded if you think a 2-turn setup combo makes Venusaur good for in-game. Your starter should be getting a KO in two turns, not setting up for one. Also, no gym has a chance against Blastoise thanks to Dig and Ice Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:04:07 No.36486042 Report

Quoted By: >>36486101

>>36486028
Only because it learns Bubbles (level 7) before Bulbasaur learns Vine Whip (level 12), doesn't mean Venusaur is inferior to Blastoise stats-wise and usability-wise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:05:42 No.36486048 Report

Quoted By: >>36486078

>>36486040
>You're actually retarded if you think a 2-turn setup combo makes Venusaur good for in-game.
I didn't say it's a mandatory set, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:05:55 No.36486052 Report

Quoted By:

>>36485932
>Bulbasaur was always Red's canon starter
>gets retconned into being Pikachu because of Ash

It's not fair

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:09:19 No.36486072 Report

Quoted By: >>36486145

>>36486004
If you're sitting there using Toxic/Leech Seed to win battles, you chose the wrong starter. Critical Razor Leaf (165 BP including the STAB) hardly outdamages base Surf (142 BP total) and is ineffective against about half the Dex. Useless against every Poison, Grass, and Flying type, of which there are so many.

Venusaur is also weak to the only somewhat challenging Gym Leader in the game, Sabrina, and is ineffective against the entire Elite Four.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:10:12 No.36486078 Report

Quoted By: >>36486145

>>36486048
You specifically listed it as one of Venusaur's advantages, faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:12:38 No.36486101 Report

Quoted By: >>36486145

>>36486042
>Only because it learns Bubbles (level 7) before Bulbasaur learns Vine Whip (level 12)

Jesus what am I reading. The list of reasons Squirtle is the best choice have already been outlined in this thread. Do you really think Blastoise is the speedrunners' choice because of a 5 level difference in learning a move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:18:35 No.36486145 Report

Quoted By: >>36486157 >>36486159

>>36486072
>He can catch other Pokemon by the time he reaches Sabrina
kek

>>36486078
Still doesn't mean you have to do it

>>36486101
Time is important for speedruns duh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:20:12 No.36486157 Report

Quoted By:

>>36486145
Yeah you're making a pretty retarded argument here, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:20:23 No.36486159 Report

Quoted By: >>36486923

>>36486145
>"Venusaur is the best because he has this combo"
>"That combo is useless for in-game, dude"
>"UUUUGH! YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT! IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION!"
How fucking retarded can someone be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:23:52 No.36486186 Report

Quoted By: >>36486207 >>36486235

>>36485847
Snowflake sounds like a dumbass. Ignoring the fact that one mon is most efficient team, his team has serious oversights.
>Alakazam and Gengar
Needs to be babied early on, requires trades to reach full potential.
>Legendary Birds
Out of the way, low catch rate.
Actual optimal 6 mon team would be (assuming r/b)
>Venusaur
>Nidoking
>Slowbro
>Persian
>Snorlax
>Zapdos (use Master Ball)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:26:32 No.36486207 Report

Quoted By: >>36486235 >>36486271

>>36486186
Replace Snorlax with Arcanine/Ninetales for coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:29:55 No.36486235 Report

Quoted By: >>36486259

>>36486207
What the fuck? Arcanine/Ninetales are terrible in RB, and Fire grants zero coverage not better provided elsewhere. Snorlax is literally one of the best Pokemon in the game.

That being said, >>36486186 is close, but replace Venusaur with Blastoise, Zapdos with Jolteon so that the Power Plant is not required, and replace Slowpoke with filler. Blastoise + Nidoking is overkill as it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:30:53 No.36486245 Report

Quoted By:

>Nidoking
>Farfetch'd as a HM slave
>Squirtle as a HM slave
>
>
>

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:32:24 No.36486259 Report

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>>36486235
Really, just Blastoise or Nidoking are overkill on their own. Anyone else is just there for flavor and HMs (and even then Blastoise has two of them covered). No type is actually necessary in RB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:33:39 No.36486271 Report

Quoted By:

>>36486207
Arcanine and ninetales are litteraly shit in first gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 18:37:21 No.36486297 Report

Quoted By:

>>36483817
Blastoise/ Squirtle is almost if never depicted as Red or his counterparts main starter mon. The most capacity it has is as one of his starter trio. The canon main starters rotate between Pikachu, Charizard, or Venusaur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:14:57 No.36486616 Report

Quoted By: >>36486645 >>36486667

>>36482322
>Fearow
>Nidoking
>Gyrados
>Jolteon
>Kadabra/Alakazam
>Snorlax
>Wildcard
And use Butterfree for Brock and/or play Yellow and get Double Kick Nidoran

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:18:44 No.36486645 Report

Quoted By: >>36486675

>>36486616
>Gyarados
Literally zero point in raising a Gyarados when you can just have Blastoise.

Blastoise, Nidoking, Jolteon, Snorlax, any Psychic type if you want, and a flier. Efficient as hell, no grinding required.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:21:55 No.36486667 Report

Quoted By:

>>36486616
>Fearow
Dodrio is better in every way

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:23:44 No.36486675 Report

Quoted By: >>36486690 >>36486706

>>36486645
I just usually feel like it's dumb to waste your starter on a water type when there's so many good water types in gen 1
If we were to condense this we could have Starmie/Slowbro, Charizard and Jolteon and you'd be set realistically. In yellow because I always forget Charizard can't fly in RB

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:25:39 No.36486690 Report

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>>36486675
>I just usually feel like it's dumb to waste your starter on a water type when there's so many good water types in gen 1
Gyarados of all things in gen 1 is not a good water Pokémon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:27:43 No.36486706 Report

Quoted By:

>>36486675
Any starter in RB is technically outclassed. But Blastoise is extremely convenient, plenty strong enough, and requires no grinding. Absolutely the most efficient.

Charizard is near-useless using your criteria. Venusaur too. Anything is a "waste" in that regard. And Gyarados certainly doesn't fill the same niche as Blastoise/Lapras/Vaporeon. Literally just a brute force mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 19:59:23 No.36486923 Report

Quoted By: >>36486957 >>36487925

>>36486159
Except it is not useless and actually many people like to use it, that's why it's a popular combo among Gen1 players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 20:04:21 No.36486957 Report

Quoted By:

>>36486923
It really isn't. Toxic + Seed is too slow to set up to match simply sweeping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 21:22:27 No.36487573 Report

Quoted By:

Is there a version of gen I that let's me catch them all and uses the red/blue sprites?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 21:47:29 No.36487729 Report

Quoted By: >>36488476

Venusaur
Ratticate
Primeape
Dugtrio
Dodrio
Starmie

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:12:07 No.36487925 Report

Quoted By: >>36488316

>>36486923
Oh, you can KO an opponent in 4 - 5 turns provided they can be poisoned? That's such a great combo! Blastoise has strong super-effective attacks against 8 types and at worst hits the other 7 for neutral damage (6 actually, since all Ghost types are Poison). But your 5-turn kill combo is pretty sweet too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:16:00 No.36487957 Report

Quoted By: >>36487983

>>36485502
Let's go full snowflake.
>Lickitung
>Onix
>Seadra
>Pinsir
>Jynx
>Porygon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:17:46 No.36487983 Report

Quoted By: >>36488337 >>36488464

>>36487957
Nah, Jynx is actually a really good Pokemon that fills a unique niche in teams, and you can get her by mid game.
Replace her with Mr. Mime or Dewgong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:36:28 No.36488128 Report

Quoted By: >>36488135 >>36488170

>>36482322
>Charizard
>Gyarados
>Alakazam
>Gengar
>Dragonite

If you didn't play with this team then you were too old.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:38:00 No.36488135 Report

Quoted By:

>>36488128
For filler it's either Jolteon or Kabutops.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 22:45:19 No.36488170 Report

Quoted By: >>36488429

>>36488128
Dragonite isn't available until very late game, and requires an extreme amount of grinding. Plus Dragon is such irrelevant type in gen 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:10:17 No.36488316 Report

Quoted By: >>36489224

>>36487925
You can attack while they are sleep/poisoned/seeded dumbo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:13:33 No.36488337 Report

Quoted By: >>36488464

>>36487983
this. i used Jynx to break the shit out of Brown because of just how busted Sleep is as a status in gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:21:30 No.36488389 Report

Quoted By: >>36488898

>>36484019
If you don't have a top percentage Rattata, you can't call yourself a trainer tbqh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:27:12 No.36488429 Report

Quoted By:

>>36488170
>nugenner thinking

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:33:56 No.36488464 Report

Quoted By:

>>36487983
>>36488337
Jynx should probably go in that Psychic slot as an option, I agree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:34:34 No.36488472 Report

Quoted By:

>>36482322
>Squirtle
>Nidoking
>Pidgey
>Paras

This team can beat the game in under 2 hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:36:37 No.36488476 Report

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>>36487729
based and redpilled

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Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:39:18 No.36488489 Report

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>>36482322
>Blastoise or Starmie
>Alakazam or Hypno
>Exeggutor
>Jolteon
>Tauros or Snorlax
>Dragonite

The ONLY acceptable "serious" team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Sep 2018 23:44:47 No.36488531 Report

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>>36483826
Both Nidoking and Blastoise learns Blizzard and Ice Beam by TM, friend. You can speedrun the game with either of the two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 00:55:54 No.36488898 Report

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>>36488389
This tbph
https://my.mixtape.moe/rcgrlo.webm

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 01:59:36 No.36489224 Report

Quoted By: >>36490006

>>36488316
You can also just attack without a bunch of pointless setup. The only reason people who pick Venusaur think this setup is somehow good is because they're used to a starter with bad coverage. Charizard and especially Blastoise don't need this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 04:49:37 No.36490006 Report

Quoted By: >>36490031

>>36489224
Because each type has a different playstyle genuis.

Fire is type is offensive glass cannon.

Water is defensive.

Grass focuses on status moves and support but Venusaur stats allows it to function an offensive tank.

It's RPG classes. You can't claim one is better than the other based on its designed playstyle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 04:57:21 No.36490031 Report

Quoted By: >>36490170

>>36490006
Yes you can because this thread is about who is better at getting through the game. So a pokemon that has bad coverage and needs to resort to multi-turn setup KOs would in fact be worse than a pokemon that is never at a disadvantage and has the type coverage to just straight-up sweep the whole game. Also, that whole argument about whether Toxic+LS is pointless started because someone claimed that Venusaur was better because of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 05:34:05 No.36490170 Report

Quoted By: >>36490208

>>36490031
You don't need coverage with Venusaur until you reach the 4th or 5th gyms. And if you solo'd them with Bulbasaur you get a pretty overleveled Bulbasaur that will make the rest of the game trivial.

Blastoise needs a grass/electric for the 2nd gym, Ground move/pokemon by the 3rd gym and ice/Flying for the 4th gym.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 05:44:03 No.36490208 Report

Quoted By: >>36490376 >>36490441

>>36490170
That's hilariously wrong. Wartortle can easily overpower Misty's pokemon in a Normal move fight, whether it's already learned Bite or is just spamming Tackle. This is still the pinnacle of difficulty in a Blastoise run.

3rd gym gets utterly destroyed by Dig, which Squirtle can learn from a TM that you get before even getting to that town. Remember that Dig had 100 BP back then? It actually wrecks a lot more than just that gym. Too bad Bulbasaur can't learn it. And 4th gym is also wrecked pretty thoroughly by Ice Beam, which you get in that same town. Blastoise doesn't need any backup ever. It has both of its weaknesses covered and no one can resist all of its moves.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 05:47:52 No.36490223 Report

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>>36490211
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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 06:32:38 No.36490376 Report

Quoted By: >>36490379 >>36490420

>>36490208
I didn't deny that, but the difference is one can beat the 4th gyms with Vine Whip/Body Slam while the other need to consume TMs

Bulbasaur line has much higher damage output since it has 100 special stats and Grass was all special while Blastoise has 85, like Charizard.

You don't need water type until HM Surf. By the time you get Surf you get dozens of better water pokemon and a free Lapras. Making Blaine's gym a total joke as well.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 06:32:59 No.36490377 Report

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>>36482322
>using anything but your starter and a couple HM users sitting in the back for their moves before the post game in a game before X/Y
No thanks, I'm autistic, not brain damaged.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 06:33:44 No.36490379 Report

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>>36490376
I mean the first 4 gyms, not the 4th gym.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 06:47:04 No.36490420 Report

Quoted By: >>36490441

>>36490376
Bulbasaur needs a TM to learn Body Slam. And suddenly saying that how many TMs you use is a factor is what's often referred to as a moving goalpost. It doesn't matter if Squirtle needs TMs to reach its full potential. The fact is that it can deal with anything much faster than Venusur. 85 special is more than enough when you have Blastoise's coverage, since he's so likely to get super-effective attacks in and will hit neutral damage against anything else. Venusaur only gets to use its 100 special stat against pokemon that don't resist Grass. When it needs to rely on Body Slam, its only viable non-grass move, it will have to rely on an 83 attack stat and no super-effective damage. As for there being better Water types, there's also better Grass types than Venusaur. But unlike Water, Grass isn't even necessary. And unlike the Water types you'll get by the time you have Surf, Squirtle is readily available at the start of the game instead of needing to be grinded up to speed and is definitely more than adequate.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 06:52:59 No.36490441 Report

Quoted By: >>36490457

>>36490208
>>36490420
Factoring in TM usage is pretty dumb, because that assumes the player is savvy and knowledgable enough to both get them and apply them (AND you guys want them to do that right off the bat as they are available? Come on). At this point who gives a shit about the supposed 'difficulty' of the run, if you know the game you can clear it with whatever.

But for a new player Bulbasaur makes the first half of the game way easier than Squirtle, and you'd naturally have way more Pokemon options to deal with the second half, so even a dumb player could compensate for Bulbasaur's weak gyms at that point.

I'd say the big thing for Squirtle for absolute beginners is that he's a better mon for starter-only runs so if you're an absolute animal like that...

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 06:57:28 No.36490457 Report

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>>36490441
You get Dig as a reward for a mandatory fight. And it doesn't take a genius to find Ice Beam. It's given to you by a girl who is saying that she wants a drink and is conveniently standing right in front of a vending machine. Unless you don't talk to anyone, you wouldn't miss it. And those are the only two TMs Blastoise need. You're likelier to miss out on Body Slam, without which Venusaur is even worse than it already is, since then it only gets Grass moves.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:06:47 No.36490482 Report

Quoted By: >>36490486

>>36485530
>But it takes some grinding to actually get through Brock with just Nidoran.

Nidorin learns Double Kick at Level 12, which destroy's Brock's shit. There's no reason you can't level a Level 2-4 Nidoran to Level 12 by having it fight everything up through Brock.

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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:07:45 No.36490486 Report

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>>36490482
That's only in Yellow.

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