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>>36863468
>taking oak's soul away
Too soon man

But on-topic:
>Gastly and poison gas
>Aurorus and aurora veil, power gem
>Machamp and mach punch
>Turtonator and eruption
>Zapdos and hurricane

Being honest most pokemon should get most moves of their types that aren't signature moves. There's virtually no reason for phantom force not to be learned by every ghost type except maybe decidueye. In the end, the limited ways of acquiring non-levelup moves (tutors, TMs and eggs) basically makes it so that many pokemon are left out of getting moves that they should logically get. For example, those mons that learn elemental fangs but can't learn bite, despite one naturally implying the other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 10:24:57 No.36863617 Report

Quoted By: >>36864855

I don't get why Conkeldurr gets Drain Punch but not Machamp. Either both or neither should get it.

I'd like to see Eelektross get Dragon Dance. It's not draconic, but neither is Scrafty.

And why the fuck does Crabominable get Ice Hammer but not Hammer Arm? Makes no sense, they're basically the same move but different typings.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 11:43:22 No.36863868 Report

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>the absolute state of the distribution of Power Gem among Rock-types pre-Gen 6
>Diancie literally doesn't even get it in Gen 6 even though Carbink does
it's a special move but that's still no reason to hold it hostage from like half of Rock types

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 11:46:20 No.36863877 Report

Quoted By: >>36864191

>>36863543
Aurorus has no gems, just ice crystals. They even freeze you in Refresh

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 11:47:50 No.36863881 Report

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>>36863543
tfw Machamp doesn't get Much Punch but does get the Steel-type Mach Punch

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 11:48:19 No.36863883 Report

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>>36863468
>FAIRY/ELECTRIC
>Can learn Flash
>Can't learn Dazzling gleam

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 11:51:27 No.36863889 Report

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>>36863543
Wait, Aurorus doesn't get aurora veil? What the fuck?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 11:56:15 No.36863904 Report

Quoted By: >>36863996

Guess who can't learn Cut

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 11:59:45 No.36863915 Report

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U-turn Heracross, back to ou as a scarfed pivot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 12:41:50 No.36863996 Report

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>>36863904
>prevents wasting a moveslot with a shitty HM
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 12:48:21 No.36864011 Report

Quoted By: >>36864038 >>36866085

leech life and insert literally any pre-gen 7 pokemon with fangs that didnt already get it
namely karrablast, skorupi, anorith, venipede, maybe heracross, things that would actually use it
but also things that thematically deserve it like kabutops

lazy fucks at gamefreak did not give leech life compatibility to ANYTHING that did not already get it
but shit like incineroar and mimikyu, sure, yeah, they earned it

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 13:00:21 No.36864036 Report

Quoted By: >>36865989

cant learn slack off

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 13:01:27 No.36864038 Report

Quoted By: >>36866085

>>36864011
>Carnivine can't learn Leech Life
>Alolan Sandslash can
>a venus fucking flytrap can't drain lifeforce but a chilly pangolin can

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 14:04:44 No.36864191 Report

Quoted By: >>36864229 >>36864916 >>36866097

>>36863877
>Aurorus has no gems
Neither do corsola or probopass, but they're shitmon-tier special rock types in need of high-power rock STAB much like aurorus and here we are, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

Reminder that FUCKING DIANCIE didn't get power gem originally and you wouldn't be able to explain that one by the same logic you're using to deny it to aurorus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 14:22:52 No.36864229 Report

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>>36864191
Diancie already had its own signature gem based move

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 14:24:15 No.36864234 Report

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>>36863488
yet Alolan Sandslash and Incineroar do

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 14:59:19 No.36864333 Report

Quoted By: >>36867686 >>36869633

Lunala and Guzzlord should learn Leech Life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 16:54:44 No.36864855 Report

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>>36863617
Scrafty is a lizard hence it's a reptile and all reptiles have dragon privileges
(also dragon egg group master race)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 16:57:59 No.36864869 Report

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>>36863468
>Sneasel can't learn Razor Wind
guess what, both are based on Kamaitachi

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 17:09:54 No.36864916 Report

Quoted By: >>36864946 >>36865132

>>36864191
Power Gem is a light based move though, actual gems are unnecessary

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 17:20:11 No.36864946 Report

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>>36864916
>power gem is a light-based rock move
>the aurora pokemon doesn't learn it
defend this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 17:28:22 No.36864994 Report

Quoted By: >>36865001 >>36865275

Can we talk about Poliwrath's Fighting movepool?
>can't learn Drain Punch when Seismitoad, another Water-type frog-based Pokemon with Water Absorb as a possible ability, gets it by level-up
>can't learn Close Combat
>can't learn Superpower from tutors even though 6.023 * 10^23 other Pokemon can, including a giant palm tree and a dumb fish
Thank goodness for Brick Break, because otherwise Poliwrath would have to fall back on fucking Submission for anything close to a reliable Fighting-type STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 17:30:10 No.36865001 Report

Quoted By: >>36865015 >>36866109

>>36864994
Focus Punch is reliable if you know how to read your opponent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 17:31:59 No.36865015 Report

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>>36865001
>/vp/ gives battle advice
This meme always gets me.

Really though, Poliwrath needs to rely on Circle Throw which actually does make good use of his bulk and interesting defensive typing, but they really just stopped caring about him once Politoed became a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 17:57:02 No.36865132 Report

Quoted By: >>36865243

>>36864916
>coral
>producing light
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 17:58:41 No.36865136 Report

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>Necrozma doesn't learn Dazzling Gleam
the fuck?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 18:22:16 No.36865235 Report

Quoted By: >>36868742

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy

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Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy Tue 30 Oct 2018 18:25:46 No.36865243 Report

Quoted By: >>36865940

>>36865132

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 18:27:47 No.36865249 Report

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>Literally any physical water move

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 18:28:54 No.36865251 Report

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>ampharos doesn’t have tail glow
>despite being known for its glowing tail and lighthouse duty
>xurkitree does

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 18:32:42 No.36865264 Report

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So many Bug-types would get usage if only they had U-turn, but GF only gives it to the special attacking ones.

Imagine if Shuckle could pivot out after setting webs up instead of fucking around with Encore and Infestation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 18:35:32 No.36865275 Report

Quoted By: >>36872283

>>36864994

I tried using Belly Drum Poliwrath on rain teams and it was shit because Brick Break was all it had. Even Superpower wouldn't pair too badly with BD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 20:28:31 No.36865849 Report

Quoted By: >>36866534

>>36863468
>Zekrom
>giant bulky dragon
>doesn't learn earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 20:42:57 No.36865940 Report

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>>36865243
alomomola

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 20:44:36 No.36865948 Report

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>>36863468
>Zangoose can’t learn Cut

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 20:51:04 No.36865989 Report

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>>36864036
Yeah no, we don't need curselax to come back

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 20:59:18 No.36866034 Report

Quoted By: >>36866105 >>36867723

>dog Pokemon
>can't learn Dig
>can't learn Earthquake either
>but it can learn Earth Power, AKA, "special EQ" via tutor despite having a trash Sp. Atk stat

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 21:02:32 No.36866052 Report

Quoted By: >>36866072

>we went through three generations without a Pokemon getting Tri Attack in their movepool
>basically the only move more neglected is Softboiled, which doesn't even have its field use anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 21:06:39 No.36866072 Report

Quoted By: >>36866078

>>36866052
>we went through three generations without a Pokemon getting Tri Attack in their movepool
no we didnt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 21:08:02 No.36866078 Report

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>>36866072
Correction: Any that didn't have a pre-existing evo that had it. Probopass didn't get it until Gen 7, that's fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 21:09:56 No.36866085 Report

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>>36864038
>>36864011
Kabutops learns absorb mega and giga drain
Carnivine eats bugs not blood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 21:12:17 No.36866097 Report

Quoted By: >>36872720

>>36864191
Corsola IS a gem itself (coral)
And Probopass is litteraly made for this ,ove with its mininoses

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 21:13:24 No.36866105 Report

Quoted By: >>36866522

>>36866034
>>can't learn Earthquake either
>>but it can learn Earth Power, AKA, "special EQ" via tutor despite having a trash Sp. Atk stat
That's because Game Freak makes questionable choices. They could give a Pokémon a base special attack stat of 1 and still give it a special-attacking move.
Lycanroc also can't learn Sandstorm and is the only rock type that can't learn it according to bulbapedia. Almost as if Game Freak thought that would have made them OP...

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 21:15:08 No.36866109 Report

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>>36865001
>Focus Punch is reliable if

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 22:32:04 No.36866522 Report

Quoted By: >>36869045

>>36866105
On the flip side they gave Nihilego Head Smash with its massive 53 attack stat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 22:33:15 No.36866534 Report

Quoted By: >>36869051

>>36865849
But Chansey can

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 22:50:26 No.36866628 Report

Quoted By: >>36866803 >>36867631

>Aerodactyl, Rhyhorn, Rhydon and Rhyperior can't learn Head Smash.

Fucking retarded. It would make perfect sense given their designs, and would greatly benefit their Rock Head ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 23:23:53 No.36866747 Report

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>>36863468
Zoroark should get an exclusive move where it creates an illusion that make the target flinch.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 30 Oct 2018 23:36:22 No.36866803 Report

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>>36866628
rhyperior doesnt get rock head
however
>reckless choice band rhyperior head smash
nuke city baby
seriously, look at this shit

252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 586-691 (83.4 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Rhyperior Head Smash vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 678-798 (96.5 - 113.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
if you dont resist rock good luck ever fucking switching in on that thing
fuck a rock head

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 02:26:14 No.36867601 Report

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>Kyurem black can't learn Icicle Crash or Ice Punch
>Entei can't learn Earthquake, only Bulldoze
>The metric fuckload of Rock Types whose best special rock move is Ancient Power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 02:31:38 No.36867631 Report

Quoted By:

>>36866628
or onix

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 02:43:44 No.36867681 Report

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>>36863468
>Swampert can learn Ice Punch
>Mega uses rocket fist for punches
>Doesn't learn Drain Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 02:44:54 No.36867686 Report

Quoted By: >>36869633

>>36864333
jizzlord needs to slay faries

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 02:47:10 No.36867696 Report

Quoted By: >>36868672

>Starmie can't learn hurricane

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Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 02:54:57 No.36867723 Report

Quoted By: >>36867773

>>36866034
>midnight is the only one not to learn Drill Run when even Midday learns it for some reason
>The "defensive" one doesn't learn Drain Punch
>The one that loves to battle doesn't learn Close Combat/Cross Chop
>Doesn't learn freaking head smash when even that jellyfish ub does

thot

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thot Wed 31 Oct 2018 03:06:07 No.36867773 Report

Quoted By: >>36867785

>>36867723
It has Counter and Reversal.
:^)[/spoiler)]

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 03:08:28 No.36867780 Report

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>>36863468
Lickitung couldnt learn lick in gen 1

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Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 03:09:57 No.36867785 Report

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>>36867773
It could have been worse. I thought for sure it'd share its move tutors with Day/Dusk despite being a biped going by gamefreak's past actions

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 05:51:11 No.36868383 Report

Quoted By: >>36868539 >>36870626

>Rampardos can learn Ice Beam but not Ice Fang

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 06:48:53 No.36868539 Report

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>>36868383
Consistency in elemental move distribution is a whole other monster, honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 07:22:22 No.36868650 Report

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>Tyrantrum doesn't have a Rock or Dragon biting move

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 07:31:37 No.36868672 Report

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>>36867696
Why would it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 08:23:24 No.36868742 Report

Quoted By: >>36868900

>>36865235
Earthquake's distribution got axed after Gen 4. It went from nearly every fully evolved Pokemon being able to learn it to huge fucking box legendaries like Zekrom and Reshiram not being able to get it through any means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 09:37:44 No.36868900 Report

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>>36868742
They gave it to too many things to begin with, and now they can't undo it without a huge retcon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 10:52:56 No.36869045 Report

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>>36866522
Even sublegends usually get movepool privileges

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 10:53:59 No.36869051 Report

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>>36866534
Gen 1 pokemon have funky movepools, this is known.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 15:04:52 No.36869633 Report

Quoted By: >>36869903

>>36864333
>>36867686
guzzlord swallows, not bites

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 16:21:25 No.36869903 Report

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>>36869633
>learns bite on lvl 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 16:34:21 No.36869943 Report

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>>36863468
>you relit the lighter, didn't you?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 17:41:40 No.36870210 Report

Quoted By: >>36870514 >>36872244

>>36863468

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 19:02:38 No.36870514 Report

Quoted By: >>36870575 >>36870816

>>36870210
>Yanmega literally a dragonfly
>No dragon typing
>Vibrava is an antlion (not even a dragonfly)
>Dragon typing
What did they mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 19:16:32 No.36870575 Report

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>>36870514
>What did they mean by this?
That the word dragonfly is a misnomer and likely only came about due to mistranslations and/or inaccurate naming conventions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 19:22:45 No.36870602 Report

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https://kotchan.org/chat/int#General

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 19:29:20 No.36870626 Report

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>>36868383
>no Rock Head

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 20:16:50 No.36870816 Report

Quoted By: >>36870828

>>36870514
>>Yanmega literally a dragonfly
>>No dragon typing

All non english speakers don't care

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 20:20:48 No.36870828 Report

Quoted By: >>36871412

>>36870816
>Missing the entire point of my post
I literally just said that they made an Antlion a dragon type (which is not a dragonfly, but bears resemblance to one), but not an actual dragonfly pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 20:30:23 No.36870863 Report

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>>36863468
Dusknoir shouldn't exist period.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 21:04:22 No.36870976 Report

Quoted By: >>36872083

Empoleon cant learn iron head

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 23:06:26 No.36871412 Report

Quoted By: >>36871470 >>36872390

>>36870828
Antlions are also called sand dragons. This nickname exists in Japanese. The term dragonfly does not exist in Japanese.

They still dropped the ball on that, though. If you literally have an elemental type called "Dragon", then you should probably research dragon puns you can use in other languages.

I mean they made A. Exeggutor Dragon merely for being a tree in the Dracanea genus (plus to be strange/quirky I guess,) and Dragalge and Kingdra are also Dragon Type because seahorses are called sea dragons in Asia. Mega Ampharos and Draco Meteor are Dragon because "ryu" can mean either dragon, meteor, or electric current. But the English term "dragonfly" gets neglected. I cry foul.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 23:20:51 No.36871470 Report

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>>36871412
Interesting, wasn't aware of this. Point retracted then

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Oct 2018 23:48:51 No.36871584 Report

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>>36863468
The fact that most flying bug Pokemon can't learn Fly is just dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 01:51:15 No.36872083 Report

Quoted By: >>36872282

>>36870976
Empoleon can't fucking learn roost.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 02:17:18 No.36872191 Report

Quoted By: >>36872284 >>36872394 >>36872792

>Said to spit acidic liquid from its mouth
>Hoodlum Pokemon
>Can't learn gunk shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 02:28:43 No.36872244 Report

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>>36870210
Following in on that
>Yanna
>can't learn Boomburst, despite generating sonic waves with its wings
>Vibrava
>can learn Boomburst because it generates sonic waves with its wings

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 02:35:35 No.36872282 Report

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>>36872083
>penguins can’t fly
>penguins don’t roost

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 02:35:42 No.36872283 Report

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>>36865275
It really needs drain punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 02:35:53 No.36872284 Report

Quoted By: >>36872395

>>36872191
>Throwing Garbage as an attack
>having anything to do with spitting acid
Ignorant Amerilards never read the Japanese names.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 02:51:01 No.36872337 Report

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>doesn't learn Sunny Day
>doesn't learn Solar Beam

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 03:03:25 No.36872390 Report

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>>36871412
don't forget the whole rich lore for Altaria

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 03:04:28 No.36872394 Report

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>>36872191
Gunk Shot isn't spitting something from mouth. It's now tossing garbage at enemy. It's why it's a Physical move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 03:04:53 No.36872395 Report

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>>36872284
>Implying Scrafty still shouldn't learn it for trash talking

Pangoro can learn it, so Scrafty should too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 03:17:07 No.36872442 Report

Quoted By: >>36872768

>>36863468
This is an ability one, but Umbreon and Poison Point (although perhaps a clone ability with a slightly different name because the 'Point' part isn't quite right).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 05:13:21 No.36872720 Report

Quoted By: >>36872773

>>36866097
>coral is a gem
Am I being trolled? This is fucking >implying owls are birds tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 05:45:34 No.36872768 Report

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>>36872442
We have poison touch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 05:48:15 No.36872773 Report

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>>36872720
>Corsola's branches glitter very beautifully in seven colors when they catch sunlight. If any branch breaks off, this Pokémon grows it back in just one night.

>Red coral can be polished to a glassy shine
Google CORAL GEM

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Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 05:55:02 No.36872792 Report

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>>36872191
>Step aside weakling

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Nov 2018 11:05:10 No.36873493 Report

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>>36863543
This is one of my biggest pet peeves with the games, and the frustration is one of the reasons that I stopped playing.

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