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>>41918432
It's
a) the first dungeon
b) mandatory
c) a cave so you can get attacked permanently by additional pokemon
d) designed so you come back later, when you have surf
e) is also preceded by a route.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 19:30:58 No.41918497 Report

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>>41918474
It hasn't gotten any better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 19:32:21 No.41918516 Report

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>>41918472
Don't forget the Ironworks.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 19:33:02 No.41918526 Report

Quoted By: >>41918552 >>41918557 >>41918588 >>41920969

They didn't even try with this one....
Pathetic....

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 19:34:20 No.41918542 Report

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>>41918472
WHERE DID THE SOUL GOOOOO
WHERE DID THE SOUL GOOOOO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 19:34:25 No.41918543 Report

Quoted By: >>41918558

lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 19:35:38 No.41918552 Report

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>>41918526
>cherrypicking sections

that's as if I took galar's mine small dead ends as their own dungeons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 19:36:08 No.41918557 Report

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>>41918526
>Have to remember to come back here during the post game to see hippopotas
That dex completion sidequest was really shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 19:36:12 No.41918558 Report

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>>41918543
i mean galar mine is better than op at that point of the game, but that's about it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 19:39:42 No.41918588 Report

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>>41918526
>The Ruin Maniac (who uses the sprite of a Collector, in spite of his name), when the player first encounters him, will propose a race: he will dig straight through the mountain as the player captures the different Unown. This race, of course, ends in a tie; after the player has captured the 26 Unown that are in the form of letters, the tunnel itself will extend straight through to the previously-inaccessible upper chamber of the ruins, where only the ? and ! forms of Unown are available.

>As the player progressively catches the various forms of Unown, the cave will lengthen, and the encounter rates of the Pokémon in the cave will change (specifically, Hippopotas will be more common).

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 21:45:05 No.41920414 Report

Quoted By: >>41920470 >>41921253

LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 21:46:59 No.41920446 Report

Quoted By: >>41920563 >>41920594

>>41918432
>hallways with random encounter time sink is good gameplay guys!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 21:48:29 No.41920469 Report

Quoted By: >>41920581 >>41920607

man....pokemon games used to have such complex non-linear routes.....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 21:48:31 No.41920470 Report

Quoted By: >>41920579

>>41920414
pls understand, we have no more space but we need kanto somehow anwyay

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 21:54:03 No.41920563 Report

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>>41920446
>tiny cluttered hallways with retarded Pokemon walking into walls that you can't get past so they might as well be random encounters anyway good gameplay guys!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 21:55:19 No.41920579 Report

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>>41920470
It was the opposite, it was running tight on space but genius magic compressed it amazingly and shrunk it enough to add a second region. Also, maps are one of the lightest things in the game, they're basically coordinate ranges with a variable attached, and can be compressed very easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 21:55:32 No.41920581 Report

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>>41920469
>cherrypicking this hard
>the route clearly goes on

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 21:56:31 No.41920594 Report

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>>41920446
>giant empty field with overworld pokemon popping into the word is good gameplay though!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 21:57:17 No.41920607 Report

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>>41920469
Now post the missing 90% of that area

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:13:21 No.41920853 Report

Quoted By: >>41920925 >>41920954

>>41920607
There is no missing area. That's the entire route.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:14:30 No.41920873 Report

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>>41918485
what did they mean by this

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:15:29 No.41920882 Report

Quoted By: >>41920925 >>41920983

>>41920581
>clearly goes on
LMAO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:18:14 No.41920925 Report

Quoted By: >>41922916

>>41920853
>>41920882
Compare now Galar map with Sinnoh map cucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:19:53 No.41920954 Report

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>>41920853
It's a route connecting a town to a water route you fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:20:58 No.41920969 Report

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>>41918526
i laughed.
>>41918588
>it's literally a straight line!!111!!!!one!!eleven!!!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:21:56 No.41920983 Report

Quoted By: >>41921000 >>41921109

>>41920882

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:22:23 No.41920989 Report

Quoted By: >>41921002 >>41921019 >>41921036 >>41921054 >>41921088 >>41921127 >>41921306

I like that suddenly people act like caves were always fun and not the most tedious thing in every game

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:23:00 No.41921000 Report

Quoted By: >>41921029 >>41921066

>>41920983
inb4
>b-b-but that's 3 routes, it's not fair

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:23:02 No.41921002 Report

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>>41920989
I've been bitching ever since X and Y had shit for dungeons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:24:03 No.41921019 Report

Quoted By: >>41921064

>>41920989
They were fun, piece of shit. Go play a Barbie hair dresser simulator and never touch another JRPG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:25:03 No.41921029 Report

Quoted By: >>41921065

>>41921000
yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:25:13 No.41921036 Report

Quoted By: >>41921053

>>41920989
>Turns on Repel
>Free to explore it without interruption
Yeah, they were pretty fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:26:06 No.41921053 Report

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>>41921036
meh, caves are all the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:26:15 No.41921054 Report

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>>41920989
>man this part of the game is too gameplay intensive i really could do with an NPC talking to me for 5 minutes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:26:38 No.41921064 Report

Quoted By: >>41921085 >>41921097

>>41921019
>muh mindless buttonmashing inside of a shitty tedious location is for big boys only!!!
Imagine being an elitist over the most popular franchise in the world

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:26:48 No.41921065 Report

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>>41921029
lmao, cry more bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:26:53 No.41921066 Report

Quoted By: >>41921107 >>41921215

>>41921000
Putting it in green text doesn't make it wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:28:11 No.41921085 Report

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>>41921064
>he's so retarded he doesn't even use repels, a gen 1 feature
Just off yourself, drone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:28:20 No.41921088 Report

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>>41920989
the whole fucking point of pokemon is to get a bro and explore forests and caves and shit you knuckle dragging neanderthal.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:28:57 No.41921097 Report

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>>41921064
>Exploration on an adventure game is bad, give me less content

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:29:54 No.41921107 Report

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>>41921066
Because comparing a route connecting to other route, in an entirely OPTIONAL zone is totally the same as picture related being 1 out of your 10 routes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:30:01 No.41921109 Report

Quoted By: >>41921136

>>41920983
>has to include multiple routes to make it look good
OH NO NO NO NO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:31:28 No.41921127 Report

Quoted By: >>41921145 >>41921155 >>41921282

>>41920989
"muh dungeons" is the newest reddit circlejerk. People are pretending tedious caves that had nothing but easy puzzles padded out with retarded random encounters were good.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:32:11 No.41921136 Report

Quoted By: >>41921182 >>41921267

>>41921109
This is the entirety of Galar. LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:32:43 No.41921145 Report

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>>41921127
>padded out with retarded random encounters were good.
Dang, if only there was a cheap item you could use to avoid the encounters entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:33:13 No.41921155 Report

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>>41921127
t. retard that got stuck 3 months in ice path

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:33:16 No.41921158 Report

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>>41921145
>dude just ignore the pokemon in the pokemon game and keep going into your bag tediously every 1 minute, this is totally great game design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:34:15 No.41921167 Report

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>>41921158
>every 1 minute
but i thought it was easy to solve the puzzles? looks like you got stuck faggot, LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:35:17 No.41921182 Report

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>>41921136
holy fuck that's pathetic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:35:44 No.41921187 Report

Quoted By: >>41921202

>>41921158
>But encountering pokemon in a pokemon game is too tedious for me
Make your fucking mind up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:36:24 No.41921197 Report

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>>41921158
>implying you had enough money to buy repels
I bet you got demolished by NPCs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:36:45 No.41921202 Report

Quoted By: >>41921230 >>41921239 >>41921315

>>41921187
>durr either see no pokemon at all or encounter 15 zubat and geodude to find something interesting, there is no better solution to this
Try playing less shitty games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:37:41 No.41921215 Report

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>>41921066
3 routes is one third of Galar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:37:59 No.41921222 Report

Quoted By: >>41921239

>>41921158
>Huur I hate facing these Pokemon!
Okay you can do this...
>Huur I'm not facing Pokemon!

Is this your attempt to show to everyone that you are a worthless faggot who doesn't have a point besides eating vomit from Gamefreak?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:38:20 No.41921227 Report

Quoted By: >>41921254 >>41921459

Pokemon should put a bigger focus on dungeon crawling imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:38:43 No.41921230 Report

Quoted By: >>41921239 >>41921428

>>41921202
Name one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:39:00 No.41921239 Report

Quoted By: >>41921267 >>41921302 >>41921382 >>41921408

>>41921222
>>41921202

>>41921230
Pokemon Sword and Pokemon Shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:39:15 No.41921245 Report

Quoted By: >>41921271

>>41921158
>complains about random encounter wich has nothing to do with the dungeon itself as Let's go already fixed that problem with able to dodge the pokemons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:39:49 No.41921253 Report

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>>41920414
At least the remakes didn't disrespect it like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:40:04 No.41921254 Report

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>>41921227
Pokemon should put a bigger focus on open world imo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:40:39 No.41921267 Report

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>>41921239

this one? >>41921136

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:41:05 No.41921271 Report

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>>41921245
>gameplay of the ""dungeon"" has nothing to do with the ""dungeon"" itself
>bringing up Let's Go when we're talking about Sinnoh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:41:32 No.41921282 Report

Quoted By: >>41921290 >>41921398

>>41921127
The random encounters argument to dissuade new, proper dungeons doesn't work any more since we no longer have random encounters in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:42:06 No.41921290 Report

Quoted By: >>41921343

>>41921282
>doesn't work anymore
>when we're talking about older games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:42:25 No.41921294 Report

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>>41918485
No... observing the fact that the cave likely continues on past the visible stairs still pays heed to contextual comprehension.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:42:53 No.41921302 Report

Quoted By: >>41921312

>>41921239
Anon...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:43:31 No.41921306 Report

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>>41920989
Some people just don't know what they've got until it's gone...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:43:51 No.41921312 Report

Quoted By: >>41921444

>>41921302
Wow anon, thanks for showing me a webm of the player biking around all those wild Pokemon which he wouldn't be able to do in the shitty Sinnoh games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:44:00 No.41921315 Report

Quoted By: >>41921328

>>41921202
>durr either see no pokemon at all or encounter 15 zubat and geodude to find something interesting
So the problem is NOT dungeons or caves, but variety? Oh man, maybe if we had more mons that wouldn't be a problem!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:44:53 No.41921328 Report

Quoted By: >>41921380

>>41921315
>So the problem is NOT dungeons or caves
No, it is the dungeons and caves, because they're poorly designed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:45:34 No.41921343 Report

Quoted By: >>41922496

>>41921290
But you're propping up these issues you have with the older games to dismiss the idea of including them in new games when the issues no longer exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:46:56 No.41921380 Report

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>>41921328
Show us your favourite dungeon designs, Anon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:46:59 No.41921382 Report

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>>41921239
>Pokemon Sword and Pokemon Shield.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:47:59 No.41921398 Report

Quoted By: >>41921446 >>41921465

>>41921282
>big dungeons are bad because they have too many random encounters
>so take out the random encounters
>NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT
You sound like a child getting frustrated after being told Batman can't teleport.

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:48:32 No.41921408 Report

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>>41921239

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:49:29 No.41921428 Report

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>>41921230
Shin Megami Tensei, at least the enemies in the original Monster-Collecting Sim put up a fight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:50:50 No.41921444 Report

Quoted By: >>41922480

>>41921312
Are you blind?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:50:55 No.41921446 Report

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>>41921398
Did you reply to the wrong person, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:51:57 No.41921459 Report

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>>41921227
Even still, Shin Megami Tensei does it far better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 22:52:41 No.41921465 Report

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>>41921398
Random encounters are a pain in the ass in Pokemon games. There's a buffer of a few steps and then every step you take and every turn you make can provoke one. The proper way to do random encounters is to roll a reasonable number and count down from it so they're at least consistent.

One change I would make to Pokemon, an option to "avoid" encounters which actually simulates you using the Run command, if you fail the enemy gets a free hit on you when the fight starts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 23:03:15 No.41921608 Report

Quoted By: >>41922439

>>41921428
>shin megami tensei
handcrafted maps > random generator of maps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 map that was randomly generated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 23:57:31 No.41922439 Report

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>>41921608
>1 map that was randomly generated
what?
Also I am pretty sure not all maps in Megaten are randomly generated, cause I've seen maps for some games and you wouldn't be able to do that for random maps.
I know Persona 3 and 4 abuse RNG maps, but can't recall anything else off the top of my head

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:00:06 No.41922480 Report

Quoted By: >>41922532 >>41922546

>>41921444
Are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:01:09 No.41922496 Report

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>>41921343
>But you're propping up these issues you have with the older games to dismiss the idea of including them in new games
Argue against the post, not the strawman you made up in your head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:04:14 No.41922532 Report

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>>41922480
Well no, we're not
Proof is we can see the turd you call of SwSh a good game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:05:30 No.41922546 Report

Quoted By: >>41922881

>>41922480
>he's resorting to a no u
Fine, I'll spell out for you what you're failing to see in that gif:
At the end of the gif, a Steelix comes out of nowhere without any warning.
This is not how you do overworld encounters.
This is not good game design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:26:31 No.41922848 Report

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>>41918588
I could never get a hippopotas from this cave despite the guide saying that they should've showed up by the time it connects to the ruins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:28:49 No.41922881 Report

Quoted By: >>41922927

>>41922546
>he's resorting to a no u
Fine, I'll spell out for you what you're failing to see in that gif:
At the beginning of the gif, the player bikes around various Hippopotas.
This is how you do overworld encounters.
This is good game design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:31:24 No.41922916 Report

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>>41920925
this is a super cool pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:32:19 No.41922927 Report

Quoted By: >>41922937

>>41922881
That's not even a good attempt at doing a "no u" now, your statement here doesn't make any sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:32:56 No.41922937 Report

Quoted By: >>41922995

>>41922927
That's not even a good attempt at doing a "no u" now, your statement here doesn't make any sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 00:37:59 No.41922995 Report

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>>41922937
For the love of god, stop copying me.
You're not a kid.

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