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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 01:58:59 No.42102248 View View Reply Original Report

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Pokemon at any point in any generation that got screwed by GameFreak

Movepool/stats/typing etc.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:05:27 No.42102332 Report

Quoted By: >>42103343

Electivire in every way possible

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:05:38 No.42102337 Report

Quoted By: >>42102346 >>42103544 >>42104614

>>42102248
Charizard
Gyarados
Every slow, frail mixed-attacker
Ampharos
Theivul
Samurott
Typhlosion
Meganium
Chesnaught
Delphox
Most quadrepeds compared to bipeds
Many Pokemon introduced in older gens who haven't been updated since
Pikachu/Raichu
Seismitoad
Machamp when Conkeldurr came out
Onix
Every slow, defensive Ice/Grass/Rock-Type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:06:16 No.42102346 Report

Quoted By: >>42102370 >>42102376

>>42102337
How was Onix screwed over? It's DEF is massive.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:07:59 No.42102370 Report

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>>42102346
its also the only thing he has going for him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:08:36 No.42102376 Report

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>>42102346
Shit Attack
Shit HP
Mediocre Speed
Fuck-all BST for it's size and design
I don't care if Onix is LC, it should still have the same BST as Steelix. Also, both mons should get a 540 BST

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:08:42 No.42102378 Report

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Meganium.
That fucking movepool, what the FUCK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:08:53 No.42102382 Report

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>>42102370
>45 attack

Wait, what? When did this happen?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:09:42 No.42102389 Report

Quoted By: >>42103071

>still no recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:09:44 No.42102391 Report

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>>42102382
gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:09:52 No.42102394 Report

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>>42102382
Since gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:10:01 No.42102398 Report

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Anything that was the opposite attacking stat for their type pre-gen 4.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:10:09 No.42102400 Report

Quoted By: >>42103591 >>42103829 >>42104370 >>42107955

Lost Hidden Power, lost Signal Beam, got nothing new in return. It hurts, bros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:11:08 No.42102419 Report

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Dedenne's movepool is abysmal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:12:19 No.42102431 Report

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>>42102248
Everything that learned toxic via tm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:12:37 No.42102438 Report

Quoted By: >>42104757

>>42102370
How is it's HP so fucking low? Water gun could like OHKO it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:12:43 No.42102444 Report

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every bulky mon with no recovery

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:13:08 No.42102453 Report

Quoted By: >>42102672 >>42102823

>Clefable tier movepool
>outclassed at anything it tries to do because of its NFE tier stats
>ray of hope comes in the form of Contrary + Superpower
>GF drops this for no reason in the very next game, and to this day Superpower remains illegal on a ton of otherwise decent sets
Really wish GF would buff mons that actually need it instead of giving Charizard another new form every gen.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:13:13 No.42102458 Report

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>>42102248
Is Vespiquen too basic an answer?
A slow, defensive mon that's also one of the worst possible typings for that, and SS got rid of its best healing options (until we can trade up).
Heal Order isn't even more useful than Roost, but it seems so unnecessary to get rid of it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:13:35 No.42102462 Report

Quoted By: >>42102479 >>42102525

don't worry they'll fix it in the remak-

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:14:38 No.42102479 Report

Quoted By: >>42102525 >>42102766

>>42102462

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:17:18 No.42102525 Report

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>>42102462
>>42102479
Clefairy?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:17:34 No.42102530 Report

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>>42102248

>Once had more competitive use than Lucario
>Then gamefreak nerfed priority phasing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:17:56 No.42102537 Report

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>>42102382
butterfree has the exact same attack stat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:18:06 No.42102539 Report

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>>42102525
Stantler you bloody buffoon it says so right there in the image

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:18:14 No.42102541 Report

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>>42102530
what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:19:09 No.42102552 Report

Quoted By: >>42102580

>>42102537
This is insane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:21:21 No.42102580 Report

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>>42102552
Onix is a total shitmon
Why do you think it was given an evolution?
And then they had to give that evo a mega.
And its STILL garbo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:23:09 No.42102603 Report

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>still made it into galar

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:24:19 No.42102618 Report

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>>42102541
Riolu used to have Prankster Roar, which was equal parts amazing and stupid lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:27:32 No.42102649 Report

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Any regional variant that outright replaces the original. Why will anyone ever use normal Muk and Weezing when then new ones are just them but more. Same with Raichu.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:28:12 No.42102659 Report

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>>42102248
>Shit movepool (no Stomping Tantrum for Steel + Hustle synergism, Rock Slide for Ice, etc)
>shit Speed
>only has DD or Blunder Policy strats going for
it's not that bad but holy shit it was this close to being OU or at least BL

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:30:15 No.42102672 Report

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>>42102453
>Really wish GF would buff mons that actually need it instead of giving Charizard another new form every gen.
I personally think it's not even so hard. Remember Pelipper going from trash to god just after receiving drizzle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:37:59 No.42102766 Report

Quoted By: >>42102949

>>42102479
Are you kidding? Calm Mind is pretty good as a level up move, especially before unlimited TMs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:41:46 No.42102823 Report

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>>42102453

Never got how Contrary thematically fits this Pokémon? It’s a red panda dizzy Pokémon so since it’s drunk it does things backwards? Kind of sucks Contrary is worthless on it, would love to use it in game.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:43:36 No.42102847 Report

Quoted By: >>42102883 >>42102916 >>42107548

>>42102248
The nerfing of the Soul Dew really fucked over Lati@s entirely.

>gens 1-6: soul dew increases lati@s' special attack and special defense by 50%. makes them uber tier
>gen 6: they get mega stones. but mega stones were inferior to the soul dew
>gen 7: gamefreak nerfs the soul dew to make their mega stones less obsolete. now the soul dew only boosts Psychic/Dragon attacks by 20%. MASSIVE Downgrade
>gen 8: gamefreak gets rid of the mega stones altogether. AND the soul dew is still nerfed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:46:04 No.42102883 Report

Quoted By: >>42103083

>>42102847
>but mega stones were inferior to the soul dew
this were always bullshit
>gen 8: latios and latias don't exist anymore lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:48:52 No.42102916 Report

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>>42102847
You're also overlooking that no battle facility or official Pokemon format would let you use the original Soul Dew. It had to be changed; it was a broken item and you never got to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:51:15 No.42102949 Report

Quoted By: >>42102970

>>42102766
>all of its level up moves are physical

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:52:27 No.42102970 Report

Quoted By: >>42103334

>>42102949
TMs exist since gen I.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 02:59:05 No.42103058 Report

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>>42102382
Day 1, the giant rock snake is as strong as a rat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:00:00 No.42103071 Report

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>>42102389
You will never get it, get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:00:44 No.42103083 Report

Quoted By: >>42103122

>>42102883
>this were always bullshit
How so. Soul dew Latios and mega Latios were about the same. Except the soul dew didn't make you waste your 1 mega evolve in battle. You could have had a soul dew Latios and another mega mon on the same team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:03:23 No.42103122 Report

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>>42103083
>How so
>Except the soul dew didn't make you waste your 1 mega evolve in battle.
You answered your own question. The regular pokemon is better than its mega form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:16:47 No.42103307 Report

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>>42102248
>Movepool
Sceptile post-split
Zamenzenta
>Stats
Cursola wasted on attack
Frosmoth
>Typing
Yanmega not being bug/dragon
Basitodon
>All of the above
Frosmoth

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:18:11 No.42103334 Report

Quoted By: >>42103421

>>42102970
Stantler's attack is higher than it's sp attack

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:18:38 No.42103343 Report

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>>42102248
Game Freak did this line insanely dirty by dropping its (at the time) unique typing by putting it in one of the most crowded type combos. At least SM put it in a better state than its kin statwise.

>>42102332
I think you could put any physical electric type that isn't Zeraora.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:21:48 No.42103396 Report

Quoted By: >>42104264

>>42102248
Shouldn't have gotten a dumb metal coat evo in gen 2, imagine getting mega syther in gen 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:23:36 No.42103421 Report

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>>42103334
If it could at least learn Calm Mind to boost its Sp Atk or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:31:33 No.42103544 Report

Quoted By: >>42103946

>>42102337
>Charizard
>Gyarados

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:34:18 No.42103591 Report

Quoted By: >>42103732 >>42104119 >>42104354 >>42107403

>>42102400
>they got rid of signal beam
what the shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:44:06 No.42103732 Report

Quoted By: >>42103968 >>42104354

>>42103591
And if you think that's bad, they also got rid of Return so normal types are screwed on STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:51:03 No.42103829 Report

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>>42102400
Yep, I bred a perfect one and when I was setting up its movepool I realized that was a total waste of several hours because I will never use it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:57:36 No.42103946 Report

Quoted By: >>42104355 >>42105718

>>42103544
Charizard got pretty fucked yeah
His movepool is mostly geared towards physical moves, with only a shit tier 80 something attack to work with

Also 100 special attack and speed with almost no special attack to work with. Also fire/flying is straight up bad typing made even worse by stealth rock existing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 03:58:39 No.42103968 Report

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>>42103732
Return I can at least kind of understand but Signal Beam is great bug coverage and tons of stuff that actually learned it are still in SwSh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 04:08:01 No.42104119 Report

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>>42103591
Yeah, thank goodness Bug Buzz is a TR you can get in the Wild Area, or poor Joltik/Galvantula would be screwed for Bug STAB until the 60s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 04:15:41 No.42104264 Report

Quoted By: >>42104460 >>42105466

>>42103396
Best part about getting an evo is eviolite

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 04:21:13 No.42104354 Report

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>>42103591
>>42103732
And yet there's three dozen moves that can be used perfectly fine but nothing in SS gets them. Mostly legendary signature moves, but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 04:21:13 No.42104355 Report

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>>42103946
>fire/flying is straight up bad typing made even worse by stealth rock existing.

It’s amazing. Moltres and go-oh abuse it well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 04:22:27 No.42104370 Report

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>>42102400
rain dance, weather ball, thunder, yawn/volt switch is a decent set for UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 04:28:13 No.42104460 Report

Quoted By: >>42105466

>>42104264
this, eviolite syther was incredibly annoying to face without rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 04:37:22 No.42104614 Report

Quoted By: >>42105425

>>42102337
how was gyarados fucked over it’s still top tier as fuck and steamrolls anything that doesn’t have electric or rock coverage with moxie or 1 dd

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 04:46:17 No.42104757 Report

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>>42102382
>>42102438
It was the first boss of the series, it was designed so you would have an easy time with Bulbasaur/Squirtle but also wouldn't hit an impassable brick wall with Charmander

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 05:28:21 No.42105425 Report

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>>42104614
But against rock has water stab and grass coverage like power whip abd earthquake for electric types

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 05:31:27 No.42105466 Report

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>>42104264
>>42104460
Yeah but now everything has rocks so it's worthless

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 05:51:22 No.42105718 Report

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>>42103946
Then they added Mega Evolutions and made Charizard usable.

And then when they took away Megas they gave Charizard a new replacement form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 06:54:18 No.42106337 Report

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>the people who complain about this are shithead fans of aggron, golisopod and the like

I'm sensing a pattern

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Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 09:43:28 No.42107360 Report

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>>42102248
What the fuck were they thinking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 09:50:34 No.42107403 Report

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>>42103591

Yep. Return, Hidden Power, Signal Beam all wiped. But Light of Ruin? You know, exclusive to the event Floette that has never been made available to anyone ever? Still programmed in, with a new animation to boot!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 10:16:20 No.42107548 Report

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>>42102847
>>gen 8: gamefreak gets rid of the mega stones altogether. AND the soul dew is still nerfed
>quickly look up Latios and Latias on Bulbapedia
>both were snapped out of existence
The item only works if held by them, so literally who fucking cares.
It may or may not receive changes when/if the Lati@s ever come back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 11:22:52 No.42107955 Report

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>>42102400
It's not terrible with Dynamax, with E-terrain thunderbolt hits 195 as a max move and ~130 without. it has a great speed tier this gen too

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