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Anonymous Sat 11 Apr 2020 23:48:01 No.43259329 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43259454 >>43259482 >>43259924 >>43260132 >>43260470 >>43261909 >>43264877 >>43270089 >>43273140 >>43273870 >>43277890 >>43281337

Post Pokemon you've grown to hate for gameplay reasons exclusively.
Fuck people that run this bird, and fuck unburden.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Apr 2020 23:54:08 No.43259379 Report

Quoted By: >>43269284

not a Pokémon but if you walk into someone’s secret base and they have an Ace Trainer as their avatar, especially if it’s a male one, don’t bother fighting them. They always have a legendary, an Ubers mega, or some tryhard set like Orb Heal Gliscor that’s a slog to fight.
Oddly, this same rule doesn’t apply to Veterans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:07:18 No.43259454 Report

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>>43259329
Everything gen 7 OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:10:31 No.43259470 Report

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Aegislash

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:11:53 No.43259482 Report

Quoted By: >>43260039 >>43270712 >>43274664

>>43259329
>hating hawlucha
>the main pokemon for gen 6 speedruns
>the main pokemon for some gen 7 speedruns
>now the main pokemon for gen 8 speedruns
How can you live with yourself if you have such shit taste?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:15:32 No.43259501 Report

Quoted By: >>43259561 >>43286481

The mere presence of this mon on team preview forces you to change your entire fucking strategy and once it's on the field it creates tons of 50/50.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:16:21 No.43259511 Report

Quoted By: >>43259716 >>43260039 >>43260254 >>43288520

Clefable

>deceivingly bulky because of hits high HP stat
>doesn't get chipped by anything because of Magic Guard (or doesn't get overwhelmed by setup if it's Unaware)
>has like every recovery move imaginable
>hits surprisingly hard even uninvested because STAB Moonblast is pretty strong off of 95 special attack
>millions of annoying status/support moves like Thunder Wave, Knock Off, Stealth Rock etc.
>straight up turns into a wincon with Calm Mind that can just overwhelm even supposed "checks" because all its moves have lots of PP and annoying hax chances
>mono-fairy means it's only weak to two not very great offensive types

It really is suprising how annoying a Pokemon that doesn't have a single stat above 100 can be. Even in gen 4 OU where it was still a normal type all sorts of people have actually started using Clefable because Magic Guard plus Calm Mind is that good. To be fair back then Magic Guard was even more broken in gen 4 because it also made you immune to being fully paralysed.

Offensive Life Orb Clefable is fine though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:22:23 No.43259561 Report

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>>43259501

based doubles chad

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:39:32 No.43259699 Report

Quoted By: >>43271115 >>43285832

I hate this fucking starfish with every fiber of my being.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:42:11 No.43259716 Report

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>>43259511
I prefer Unaware Cosmic Power with Metronome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:42:48 No.43259721 Report

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Back in 5th gen, Politoad. Fucking weather wars man. Rotom Wash is a close 2nd.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:44:46 No.43259737 Report

Quoted By: >>43259908 >>43261851

>edgelord's favorite
>buffed celesteela
>celesteela was buffed skarmory

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 00:46:01 No.43259746 Report

Quoted By: >>43260144 >>43270781

To be honest. Hawlucha became popular because everyone used fucking Ditto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 01:09:02 No.43259908 Report

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>>43259737
Celesteela and Skarmory have very different roles that are used on different team archetypes. Beyond the typing they really don't share that many similarities.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 01:12:25 No.43259924 Report

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>>43259329

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 01:32:54 No.43260039 Report

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>>43259482
Because it's an obnoxious piece of shit that has an amazing ability and gets to set up for free on a lot of things. Sometimes I'll run Tox just to spite Hawfags.

>>43259511
Yeah Clef is also really scary. Not so much because any one set is busted, but because it's kind of like Mew in that you have no idea what kind of set it's going to be running until it starts doing whatever. The absolute worst are cleric Clefs with Teleport though.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 01:46:53 No.43260132 Report

Quoted By: >>43260144 >>43271467

>>43259329
Pic related are mons whose randbat sets I can't stand

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 01:47:47 No.43260144 Report

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>>43259746
I don't see Ditto as much these days, especially with Dyna being banned in smogon.

>>43260132
Anything with shell smash is abhorrent in randbat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 01:54:51 No.43260203 Report

Quoted By: >>43260370 >>43262470

>Clefable
>Skarmory SSJ2
>Dragapult
>Mimikyu
>Dragon DIO
>Zeraora
>Mandibuzz

Clefable + Corviknight is the most annoying stall core I've ever seen. Fuck that core. I've had so many games go to 200+ turns because of those two. If only Game Freak weren't retarded and made Toxtricity good, since it's the only Pokemon that can deal with both of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:00:42 No.43260254 Report

Quoted By: >>43260279 >>43260298 >>43260330

>>43259511
daily reminder that clef was garbage before fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:03:09 No.43260279 Report

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>>43260254
It was middling, not garbage. If it didn't get the most busted type in Pokemon history, it'd probably be RU, maybe NU in Gens 6 - 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:05:16 No.43260298 Report

Quoted By: >>43260341

>>43260254
Check gen 4 ou viability ranking

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:07:30 No.43260330 Report

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>>43260254
I literally said people have started using it in gen 4 despite being normal type. It's pretty good there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:09:21 No.43260341 Report

Quoted By: >>43260378

>>43260298
Niche in ou =/= ou
Also "muh GEN 4 tho xD" is a shitty argument when Clefable was only decent in Gen 4 because magic guard was busted. Keep in mind, Clefable still sucked as well in Gens 1-3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:13:23 No.43260370 Report

Quoted By: >>43260411 >>43260459

>>43260203
>If only Game Freak weren't retarded and made Toxtricity good, since it's the only Pokemon that can deal with both of them.
Shouldn't Salazzle shit on both of them as well? Salazzle is in Galar, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:13:54 No.43260378 Report

Quoted By: >>43260411

>>43260341
>niche in ou
It's past 'niche' bro it's just barely outside of top 10.
>clefable was garbage before fairy
>actually it was garbage before magic guard
Idk what the argument is anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:18:22 No.43260411 Report

Quoted By: >>43260478

>>43260378
>it's just barely outside of top 10.
>Still not OU anyway

>clefable was garbage before fairy
>actually it was garbage before magic guard
Easy.
>Clefable became decent when Magic Guard was still busted
>In Gen V Clefable fell off against because Magic Guard couldn't carry its fat pink ass
>In Gen VI Clefable became busted because fairy
I mean you can cry all you want clefag, Clefable is carried by its typing.

>>43260370
Nobody uses Salazzle, probably either because it's really fragile or they don't want to be called pokefuckers for using obvious fapbait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:23:04 No.43260459 Report

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>>43260370
Salazzle is an ugly Gen 7 Pokemon, so that helps dampen its usage. But also it can't really deal with either Corv or Clef successfully, and they're almost always accompanied by Seismitoad, Hydreigon, or Dragapult anyways, all of which shit on Salazzle.

Also, stall Salazzle is the most common usage of Salazzle, so both are more likely to be paired with it than not.

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:24:00 No.43260470 Report

Quoted By: >>43260486 >>43288385

>>43259329
This nigger right here

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:24:52 No.43260478 Report

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>>43260411
>clefag
Oh you're trolling mb, didn't mean to step on your toes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 02:26:15 No.43260486 Report

Quoted By: >>43261827

>>43260470
What aspect of it exactly? fake out + last resort?

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 05:32:47 No.43261827 Report

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The Razor Claw was a GIGANTIC pain in the ass to obtain in SM/USUM, so I've grown to hate Weavile because of that.

>>43260486
Pretty much, yes. Probably my own fault for being too retarded for not having a Ghost in my battling party at all times when playing Singles.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 05:36:50 No.43261851 Report

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I dont hate it, but i think it counts still. My favorite poison type. This thing's design and lore are top tier, but i cant stand seeing it in comp.

>>43259737
This thing too. Love the design, but seeing it in battle guarantees a snoozefest.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 05:48:40 No.43261909 Report

Quoted By: >>43262254 >>43270344

>>43259329
Brainlet unga bunga Pokemon that doesnt really work outside of lead, but somehow still straight up invalidates certain teams when paired with redirection or WP selfproc, especially the physical set

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 06:05:47 No.43261989 Report

Quoted By: >>43271110

Cool mon but trying to prepare every team for it is like flaying your balls

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 07:05:20 No.43262254 Report

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>>43261909
>Even if you lead with a direct counter it will probably just lead with a focus sash and do what it wants to do anyway before dying
>It resists every meta spread move so if it's paired with Clefairy or Togekiss it's borderline unkillable

Fun game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 08:18:13 No.43262470 Report

Quoted By: >>43271484

>>43260203
But Toxtricity IS good you mong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 09:17:26 No.43262768 Report

Quoted By: >>43262802

I hate facing Darmanitan in nuzlockes. One crit and you're dead. Even resists quickly fold to Flare Blitz off base 140 attack boosted by Sheer Force, and it's faster than most things too. Oh and it learns Fighting attacks by level up too.

At least it's great when you use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 09:23:01 No.43262802 Report

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>>43262768
this,my volcarona was one shot to a random hustle darumaka using thrash
unbelievable power in those things

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 15:51:34 No.43264704 Report

Quoted By: >>43264844

Dusclops. I've been playing the April Competition, and the set I've seen is Eviolite, Ally Switch, Protect, and Will-o-wisp.
It is so annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 16:12:59 No.43264844 Report

Quoted By: >>43265088

>>43264704
What's the 4th move?

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Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 16:17:52 No.43264877 Report

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>>43259329
Most stallmons have decent design but I legit think if sabeleye was a shitmon I'll like it more than the sabeleye that just sits on you for a longass time. Counting designs I've hated already M-gardevoir and cinderace

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 16:50:00 No.43265088 Report

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>>43264844
>>43264844
Night Shade and Trick Room are run on 99% of Dusclops, last two are up for debate depending on the rest of the team. Generally its between Ally Switch, Protect, Will-o-wisp, Pain Split, Bulldoze, and Brick Break.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 17:08:32 No.43265199 Report

Quoted By: >>43266876

Chansey, easily.
>blanket checks every special attacker not named keldeo, even those that hit it with STAB SE
>not actually shit at walling physical attackers either as long as they can't hit it SE
>forces you to run knock off on many teams to break it, and even after being knocked off it still walls tons of stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 12 Apr 2020 20:35:30 No.43266876 Report

Quoted By: >>43270737

>>43265199
Chansey is one of those mons that should've made GF realize Eviolite was a bad idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 01:19:44 No.43269284 Report

Quoted By: >>43282093

>>43259379
Same rule applies to anyone with a Red avatar on Showdown.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 02:56:08 No.43270089 Report

Quoted By: >>43270323 >>43270882

>>43259329
Fuck this thing.
I hated seeing it on every team and I dread the day it comes back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 03:23:17 No.43270323 Report

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>>43270089
Even though I hate incarnate forms and the trio in general, I consider the therian forms to be okayish with the exception of landorus', which has a stupid expression and a stupid log head. And yet landorus' therian is the one I'm damned to see the most often.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 03:25:58 No.43270344 Report

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>>43261909
imagine people not using specs dragapult

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:08:56 No.43270712 Report

Quoted By: >>43270724

>>43259482
>speedruns
>pokemon speedruns
The peedrun community is completely braindead, the most boring and worthless thing you could ever do in life is watching someone play through an entire game the fastest they can
>but lmao is fast!!xd fast spderunerino
Then theres pokemon speedruns, the lowest of the low, one of the most rng filled games and where the newest entries will probably take 5-10 hours to fully complete. You don’t even attempt to complete it as fast as you can, you just hope it gets completed fast

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:11:04 No.43270724 Report

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>>43270712
Imagine struggling to beat a Pokemon game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:14:16 No.43270737 Report

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>>43266876
>Chansey is one of those mons that should've made GF realize Eviolite was a bad idea.

It wasn't a bad idea, it just exposed game design flaws.
Eviolite makes Rhydon a credible competitor to Rhyperior: but it's enough to break both Gothorita and Trapinch with their trapping abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:21:22 No.43270781 Report

Quoted By: >>43270884 >>43270893

>>43259746
No, ditto became popular because of everyone using lucha, not the other way around.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:34:40 No.43270855 Report

Quoted By: >>43270949 >>43271502 >>43271507 >>43273165

>make the wrong decision when this thing comes do to its many different sets
>lose momentum if you don’t switch in the exact mon you need to kill it as it comes in, let it get one set up move and hemorrhage a few mons trying to kill it, then just get revenge swept by whatever else they have

Whoops, I guessed wrong on one of his like 8 different sets so I lose now, based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:39:03 No.43270882 Report

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>>43270089
This thread is about gameplay reasons. Low elo confirmed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:39:04 No.43270884 Report

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>>43270781
Ditto became popular because of Dynamax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:40:17 No.43270893 Report

Quoted By: >>43270935

>>43270781
Ditto can't properly copy Hawlucha because of Unburden, you ininformed shitter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:44:59 No.43270935 Report

Quoted By: >>43270951 >>43271092 >>43271751 >>43271848

>>43270893
Ditto copies stat boosts you fucking RETARD

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:47:30 No.43270949 Report

Quoted By: >>43271392 >>43282053

>>43270855
Kommo-o was given a wide movepool to compensate for that bad stat distribution and horrible defensive typing.

In Gen VII, Kommo-o was easily dispatched by the common tactic of "spam Moonblast".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:47:37 No.43270951 Report

Quoted By: >>43271018 >>43271848

>>43270935
Hey 1000 elo mouthbreather. Next time you try to spread your bullshit around here you should at least look up how mechanics work. Ditto does not copy the boost of Unburden you fucking retard. Unless your Ditto isn't holding an item the opposing Hawlucha is still faster and kills you with a flying move.

Have you ever even played against a Hawlucha before? What is up with all these retards who don't even play but try to give their worthless insight?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 04:59:18 No.43271018 Report

Quoted By: >>43271151

>>43270951
No response yet, guess he realized how stupid he is. /vp/ is embarrassing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:11:06 No.43271092 Report

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>>43270935
It doesn't copy invisible stat boosts like the one from Unburden.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:13:36 No.43271110 Report

Quoted By: >>43271392

>>43261989
>Ponyta used ember!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:14:32 No.43271115 Report

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>>43259699
same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 05:19:00 No.43271151 Report

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>>43271018
I'm sorry I was wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:04:02 No.43271392 Report

Quoted By: >>43271457

>>43271110
>>43270949
>dude super effective move lmao
why do you guys even bother posting when it's obvious you don't play

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:14:11 No.43271457 Report

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>>43271392
how new are you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:16:00 No.43271467 Report

Quoted By: >>43272836 >>43273807

>>43260132
I get some of these...but why Cinderace, aside from UNGA BUNGA Fire Type?

like. I get the Legendaries and the Dracos. and Shell Smash is a curse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:18:31 No.43271484 Report

Quoted By: >>43271496

>>43262470
is it though? cos last I checked, it was too frail to get much done and base 75 speed does it NO favors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:21:00 No.43271496 Report

Quoted By: >>43271513

>>43271484
it was good early on before dugtrio began really showing its cancer.
haven't played since before the ban but I'd assume it's good again.
specs is dumb strong and claims a kill each time it's sent out but it's super prediction reliant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:22:19 No.43271502 Report

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>>43270855
the thing may die instantly to Fairies, but you give this piece of shit an inch and you die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:23:24 No.43271507 Report

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>>43270855
>gets Clangarous Soul because Z-moves were removed and somebody at gf wanted to jerk it off
based balancing team

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:24:32 No.43271513 Report

Quoted By: >>43271580

>>43271496
I tried Throat Spray myself, since my Indeedee was using Specs, and it did...okay. sure, it's full of boosts, but I often found myself getting outsped and shit-stomped by the things I'd want to use it against.

maybe in a slower tier it'd do well, but as it is, the thing dies to a few too many things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 06:36:02 No.43271580 Report

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>>43271513
Specs is the ideal item, you bring it to fuck up fat cores since nothing enjoys taking your coverage once you get in on Clefable, Corviknight, etc. Prediction-reliant though, and yeah it doesn't do well into fast offensive teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 07:08:03 No.43271737 Report

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Skarmory previous gens, now Corviknight

They're both cool design wise but they wall too many of my non-fire type bros

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 07:12:33 No.43271751 Report

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>>43270935
Not stat boosts like Unburden, though.
Ditto copies the ability, but doesn't get the boost unless it meets the activation condition of having an item and losing it.
Like how it can copy a mon with Guts, but it doesn't copy the status condition so it doesn't get the attack boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 07:33:13 No.43271848 Report

Quoted By: >>43272848

>>43270935
>>43270951
How is it even possible to think ditto beats Hawlucha I you've spent even 10 minutes on the ladder in the last 3 years

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 12:31:41 No.43272836 Report

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>>43271467
Cinderace has Libero in randbats. It's also pretty fast and has good coverage moves coupled with Libero. Court Change can also be annoying because you obviously won't know in advance that your opponent has Cinderace so if you bothered to set up hazards and/or screens potentially even sacking a Pokemon of yours you get screwed by the Court Change reversal.

Not to mention that one of the main sets is Choice Band which it can also break out of with dynamaxing since it's a pretty strong dynamax abuser thanks to Libero + coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 12:34:55 No.43272848 Report

Quoted By: >>43275166

>>43271848
Sadly, you can't expect much more from /vp/. It's the kind of place that genuinely believes that Dive is good counterplay to dynamax since it wastes a turn. Or that Taunt is a "stall move" since it's a status move that doesn't influence your attacking power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 13:36:45 No.43273140 Report

Quoted By: >>43274657

>>43259329
Togekiss. Togetic was one of my favorite pokemon but serene grace flinchhax altered my perception of the line forever. I still seethe that people defended it on the gen iv smogon forums with "you still have a 25% (or whatever) to hit lol so it's not hax also double team is uncompetitive btw." That shit deserved to be banned under a general hax clause. Still mad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 13:39:49 No.43273165 Report

Quoted By: >>43274613 >>43279788

>>43270855
Reminder that /vp/ are shitters who think Kommo-o is still trash when it wasn't even down in RU for a full year

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 15:03:07 No.43273807 Report

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>>43271467
I have no problem with its heavy duty boots set, but its choice band set is pure cancer to me. Clicks pyro ball or high jump kick, something dies. Its stock moves are too strong for a CB set imo.

Dracovish and zolt are in the pic for the same reason: as soon as you see an opposing vish and you don't have a lapras/gastrodon/vaporeon, you pretty much have to switch something to die to fishious rend every time no questions asked. Zolt is not as much of a pain but I find unfair the fact that scarf is its most common set when arctovish and arctozolt are rotting with a subpar AV set when they're the ones who could really use a choice scarf. Randbat sets feel really unbalanced this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 15:09:49 No.43273870 Report

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>>43259329
Rotom
specially Rotom-Wash, fuck anybody who uses it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 16:45:52 No.43274613 Report

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>>43273165
Hey man, Heatran is unviable because it dies to EQ lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 16:51:28 No.43274657 Report

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>>43273140
If it makes you feel better, Togetic is an oft slept on eviolite abuser that doesn't abuse flinch hax

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 16:52:25 No.43274664 Report

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>>43259482
>speedruns
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 18:10:05 No.43275166 Report

Quoted By: >>43276341

>>43272848
Even that's giving them too much credit. There are people here who don't understand why you'd "waste a turn" on Max Guard instead of using another Max Airstream or whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 20:13:35 No.43276341 Report

Quoted By: >>43276393 >>43278014

>>43275166
Asking as a low ladder shitter, why would you waste a turn on Max Guard other than to avoid an inevitable KO?
Dynamax is a resource limited to 3 turns, so wouldn't you want to get the most out of it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 20:19:33 No.43276393 Report

Quoted By: >>43277182

>>43276341
to stall weather, trick room, poison build up. maybe you want to revenge kill another dynamax pokemon on the other side and you are both on the second turn, so you need your revenge killer in the field at the moment the opponent's dynamax wears off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 21:54:14 No.43277182 Report

Quoted By: >>43277255

>>43276393
Also a thing you didn't mention is sometimes you actually want your dynamax status to go away on the third turn so you have access to your status turns again if whatever your opponent has out isn't threatened much by your max moves anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 22:01:57 No.43277255 Report

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>>43277182
>status turns
Meant status moves obviously.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 23:08:16 No.43277890 Report

Quoted By: >>43277990 >>43278010

>>43259329
I want to strangle this little bastard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 23:19:04 No.43277990 Report

Quoted By: >>43278010

>>43277890
I want to fuck it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 23:20:49 No.43278010 Report

Quoted By:

>>43277990
>>43277890
i want to do both at the same time and then cuddle afterward

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 23:21:00 No.43278014 Report

Quoted By:

>>43276341
I liked using it for an extra turn of leftovers when it's the third turn of dynamax and you kill without the max moves anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 02:13:26 No.43279788 Report

Quoted By: >>43280050

>>43273165
>cutiefly used fairy wind
Wow so hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 02:45:21 No.43280050 Report

Quoted By: >>43280277

>>43279788
this meme is one of the dumbest fucking things on this board

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 03:09:23 No.43280277 Report

Quoted By:

>>43280050
>anon used shitpost!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 06:09:07 No.43281337 Report

Quoted By: >>43281350

>>43259329
Literally just Unga Bunga: The Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 06:14:17 No.43281350 Report

Quoted By: >>43281531 >>43281533

>>43281337
It's more difficult to use than you give it credit for, stealth rock weakness, bad defensive typing and low defenses

Tapu Bulu and Kartana are real unga bungas, since they can switch into a lot of attacks and just spam their moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 07:08:50 No.43281531 Report

Quoted By: >>43282907 >>43286513

>>43281350
God I'm glad the Tapus are gone.
Those, the ultrabeasts, and megas can suck my dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 07:10:10 No.43281533 Report

Quoted By: >>43281593

>>43281350
>It's more difficult to use than you give it credit for, stealth rock weakness, bad defensive typing and low defenses
who cares when it’s not going to be switching in to take a hit? especially with trapping moves and abilities fucking off

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 07:23:48 No.43281593 Report

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>>43281533
>who cares when it’s not going to be switching in to take a hit?

even offensive Pokemon have defensive uses due to their defensive typing, like switching in Greninja on a predicted Psychic type attack. Sometimes, you need to take that kind of risk to win.
Darmanitan-G offers no defensive utility, and that isn't an understatement. It'll die even to a crit from another Darmanitan-G Icicle Crash. Needing a free switch or a switching move to bring it in safely makes it more difficult to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 09:46:42 No.43282053 Report

Quoted By: >>43282131

>>43270949
>Kommo-o was given a wide movepool to compensate for that bad stat distribution
Never understood this meme. Kommo-o is basically Dragonite 2 with less attack and more defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 10:01:52 No.43282093 Report

Quoted By:

>>43269284
Those are usually easy points

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 10:14:59 No.43282131 Report

Quoted By: >>43282162

>>43282053
Kommo-o is well-rounded, which /vp/ tends to consider worse than heavily optimized because most of /vp/ doesn't actually play and theorymon tends to dictate that a Pokemon is literally worthless if a single point of its BST is wasted on a stat that's not being used.
Kommo-o does have an amazing movepool, but it works in conjunction with its well-rounded stats, rather than making up for them like they're some kind of flaw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 10:23:06 No.43282162 Report

Quoted By: >>43282335 >>43282657 >>43282801 >>43285712 >>43286383

>>43282131
>well-rounded, which /vp/ tends to consider worse than heavily optimized
>implying heavily optimized is bad

Congratulations, you're a colossal faggot who also doesn't understand shit about the game!
Dragon/Fighting is an awful defensive typing that resists Bullet Punch, Sucker Punch and Water Shuriken, so Kommo-o would be way better with massive attack and speed stats to synergize with Dragon Dance!
it could spam Close Combat and not worry so much about the defensive drops!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 11:17:32 No.43282335 Report

Quoted By:

>>43282162
Just because it could hypothetically be better doesn’t mean it’s bad now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 12:45:34 No.43282657 Report

Quoted By: >>43282820

>>43282162
1000 elo, it's time to stop posting. First off, you're retarded for thinking Kommo-o resists Bullet Punch. Secondly, Dragon/Fighting is not an awful defensive typing. It's not the best typing ever but it has some key resistances that you don't really get elsewhere and it has good coverage moves to patch up its weaker type matchups.

Defensive Kommo-o sets are a thing and add to the set diversity which also makes Kommo-o more unpredictable. Not to mention that its defensive stats and ability let it use setup moves like Dragon Dance or Belly Drum more easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 13:17:52 No.43282801 Report

Quoted By: >>43282820

>>43282162
>Dragon/Fighting is a [...] typing that resists Bullet Punch
You sure about that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 13:21:24 No.43282820 Report

Quoted By:

>>43282657
>>43282801
I think he assumed Bullet Punch is blocked by Bulletproof, which it isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 13:34:06 No.43282907 Report

Quoted By: >>43286513 >>43288332

>>43281531
You do know that at least 2/3rd of those are coming back, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 19:48:42 No.43285712 Report

Quoted By:

>>43282162
I never said heavily optimized is bad.
Just that well-rounded is also good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 20:05:52 No.43285832 Report

Quoted By:

>>43259699
Stall is cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 21:15:06 No.43286383 Report

Quoted By:

>>43282162
>implying heavily optimized is bad
Who implied that? Heavily optimized is obviously good. Monsters like G-Darmanitan are proof enough of that.
But well-rounded is also good. Kommo-o is proof of that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 21:28:35 No.43286481 Report

Quoted By:

>>43259501
Literally just lead with a fastish dark type and something else that can kill it

Unless lolfollowme in that case then good luck

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 21:31:57 No.43286513 Report

Quoted By:

>>43281531
>>43282907
Megas actually seem to be making a comeback. Not in the DLC as of yet, but it's really a matter of when, not if. Cheers, lads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 01:52:02 No.43288332 Report

Quoted By:

>>43282907
3/3. There's no way megas aren't coming back.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 02:00:40 No.43288385 Report

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>>43260470
Same pokemon, but because it invalidates any non -hypnosis use of pic related.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 02:18:59 No.43288520 Report

Quoted By: >>43288579

>>43259511
Calm mind is for scrubs.
Cosmic Power, Moonblast, Stored Power, and Softboiled/Moonlight is where it's at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 02:28:43 No.43288579 Report

Quoted By: >>43288627 >>43288651

>>43288520
The most fun I've ever had with a clef is by running a calm mind, cosmic power, moonblast, softboiled set with magic guard. If only gamefreak introduced a held item that blocked critical hits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 02:36:43 No.43288627 Report

Quoted By: >>43288646 >>43288769

>>43288579
>calm mind, cosmic power
Kinda redundant.
Work up + cosmic power makes more sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 02:39:53 No.43288646 Report

Quoted By:

>>43288627
No, it doesn't. That's a negative elo set. Why in the world would you run Work Up when Calm Mind not only boosts your special attack but also your special defense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 02:40:58 No.43288651 Report

Quoted By: >>43288769

>>43288579
That sounds like a terrible set
You'll just force opposing Corviknight/Toxapex to PP stall you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 03:01:10 No.43288769 Report

Quoted By: >>43290063

>>43288651
>>43288627
It might be terrible set but I liked it, it was fun when it worked. If I remember correctly I used it in UU a couple times when clef was allowed there (I think it was at some point during gen 6/7?).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 08:38:26 No.43290063 Report

Quoted By: >>43290675

>>43288769
The set's not that terrible.
You'd just be better off giving it something like cosmic power/work up/stored power/softboiled for massive damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 11:54:00 No.43290675 Report

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>>43290063
Yeah but dark types are immunne to stored power. It runs into exactly the same problem as that one cosmic power sigilyph set. Moonblast is resisted by stuff but nothing is immune to it.

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