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2D Sprites with Overworld Encounters

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 17:58:05 No.45807218 View View Reply Original Report

Is this the best way to present a Pokemon game? I say yes.
Unfortunately, GF will probably never go back to 2D ever again. 3D just looks so uninspired and soulless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 17:59:06 No.45807224 Report

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>>45807218
but not in Gen IV engine. Too damn slow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:00:20 No.45807236 Report

Quoted By: >>45807269 >>45807463 >>45808321 >>45809752

>>45807218
>OW encounter
Fucking Swooshitter in denial. Play those turds instead of shoving garbage mechanics where they don't belong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:00:45 No.45807239 Report

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>>45807218
>3D just looks so uninspired and soulless.
I can tell by your use of the word souless that you have shit taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:01:55 No.45807252 Report

Quoted By: >>45807449

>>45807218
this looks way too cluttered

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:02:13 No.45807257 Report

Quoted By: >>45807299 >>45807314 >>45807577 >>45808391 >>45810056 >>45812805 >>45812906 >>45814549 >>45820189

Ugh....what could be

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:03:07 No.45807269 Report

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>>45807236
what are you gonna do about it faggot? cry about it? kneel before the superior mechanic

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:05:41 No.45807299 Report

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>>45807257
Based goatfucker

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:07:04 No.45807314 Report

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>>45807257
>Lopunny in a burka
What did they mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:22:51 No.45807449 Report

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>>45807252
it's just an example to give an idea of what I mean, of course, if GF ever did go this route it would have to be alot more spread out to make up for all the overworld mons roaming around

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:24:08 No.45807463 Report

Quoted By: >>45808285

>>45807236
OW encounters are a great mechanic, makes pokemon hunting feel more "realistic" and natural.
Maybe you're just salty about it because the state OW is in now is pretty shit (mons popping in and out, lifeless animations, etc.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:29:06 No.45807502 Report

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>>45807218
>3D just looks so [buzzword] and [buzzword]

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:39:23 No.45807577 Report

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>>45807257
source?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:41:41 No.45807593 Report

Quoted By: >>45807727 >>45807822 >>45807835 >>45807940 >>45808428 >>45808760 >>45808794 >>45810252 >>45820184

theres nothing wrong with 3d

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:42:02 No.45807594 Report

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>>45807577
From the ISIS website

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:57:23 No.45807716 Report

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>>45807218
Cry more

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:58:47 No.45807727 Report

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>>45807593
The sprite just looks cooler

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:03:02 No.45807759 Report

Quoted By: >>45807804 >>45807833 >>45807924

Overworld encounters are only good in caves or other areas where encounters could happen on any tile. Having them outdoors defeats the entire risk/reward aspect of having tall grass because you can just dodge every encounter while simultaneously never having to deal with trainers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:09:11 No.45807804 Report

Quoted By: >>45807833

>>45807759
there is no risk/reward aspect. Clicking the run button does the same thing as walking around the Pokemon except it wastes 15 seconds of my time for no reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:11:07 No.45807822 Report

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>>45807593
sprite looks more noticeably sleeker and overall better to look at

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:12:17 No.45807833 Report

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>>45807759
>>45807804
Agreed, if someone wants to blitz by all the encounters why can't they? Unless you're massively under leveled you juts run anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:12:31 No.45807835 Report

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>>45807593
why did they circumcise his axeblades

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:23:41 No.45807924 Report

Quoted By: >>45807932

>>45807759
What risk/reward aspect? Unless you're intentionally hunting for a mon, there is no rewards. It's just all risk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:24:22 No.45807932 Report

Quoted By: >>45807954

>>45807924
The reward is not needing to put up with trainer battles.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:26:48 No.45807940 Report

Quoted By: >>45807962 >>45807969

>>45807593
Sprite looks cooler, sorry.
Same with gif related. It doesn't work in 3D.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:28:35 No.45807954 Report

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>>45807932
you can still have that with an overworld though, no?
Either you take the path with trainers, or you take the path where you have to put in effort in navigating your way through a bunch of wild mons, especially if you program certain pokemon to be more aggressive to the player

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:30:05 No.45807962 Report

Quoted By: >>45807981

>>45807940
Some pokemon like Kingler or Poliwrath look better in 3D
Some others like Nidoking, Charizard or Gyarados look bad in 3D because the model is based on their nonsensical manlet official sizes and thus have retarded proportions

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:31:17 No.45807969 Report

Quoted By: >>45807981 >>45808178

>>45807940
I think the problem with 3D models in recent games is that they show zero personality. Most pokemon in 3D just kinda stand there.
In the sprite you posted, yea he's just standing there, but he looks angry and a lot more menacing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:32:16 No.45807981 Report

Quoted By: >>45808043 >>45808137

>>45807962
This is the kind of compromise I can agree with.
>>45807969
>Most pokemon in 3D just kinda stand there.
Yes yes, I watch DistantKingdom too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:42:00 No.45808043 Report

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>>45807981
>I watch DistantKingdom
range ban worth

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:50:48 No.45808127 Report

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>>45807218
2D allows players to have more imagination when playing in the region where as 3D,the visualization is already presented to us

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:52:22 No.45808137 Report

Quoted By: >>45808158

>>45807981
>DistantKingdom
what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:54:58 No.45808158 Report

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>>45808137
He says the same thing about most 3D models just standing there being lifeless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:56:18 No.45808171 Report

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Some anon posted this “leak” earlier. If only bros ;_; https://pastebin.com/7WcBJ7vb

https://pastebin.com/7WcBJ7vb

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 19:56:47 No.45808178 Report

Quoted By: >>45811362

>>45807969
>I think the problem with 3D models in recent games is that they show zero personality.
Stop playing Showdown, you retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 20:08:50 No.45808285 Report

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>>45807463
I vote both. Grass patches with random encounters for faster grinding, but roaming OW mons for when you're hunting one in particular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 20:12:57 No.45808321 Report

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>>45807236
Ranger did overworld encounters over a decade before Sword and Shield did and implemented them a million times better.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 20:20:39 No.45808391 Report

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>>45807257
... The unowns

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 20:24:59 No.45808428 Report

Quoted By: >>45808552 >>45808760

>>45807593
>takes one of the better 3D models
>3D IS FINE

bro.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 20:40:55 No.45808552 Report

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>>45808428

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 20:49:22 No.45808623 Report

Quoted By: >>45809580

>>45807218
The problem isn't 3d its just gamefreak being bad at 3d

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:02:21 No.45808724 Report

Quoted By: >>45808778

>>45807218
you can hide flaws, carefully curate an experience, and force people to use their imagination to make up for inexpressiveness or anything else you lack in 2d art
That's why you think it's "soulful".

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:05:02 No.45808748 Report

Quoted By: >>45808831

>>45807218
Just because Indies make it look cheap and eas to make doesn't mean it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:06:16 No.45808760 Report

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>>45807593
>>45808428
Anyone who draws can tell you that 2D's lack of accuracy allows you to exaggerate. Exaggerating with 3D requires moon logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:08:39 No.45808778 Report

Quoted By: >>45808815

>>45808724
No, that's why it IS soulful.
Fucking zoomers never heard of less is more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:09:58 No.45808794 Report

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>>45807593
the 3D model looks ironically more off-model than the sprite.

Different proportions for the neck, legs, tail... it's silhouette is entirely off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:10:08 No.45808795 Report

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>>45807218
this is actually super cute

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:10:34 No.45808799 Report

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>>45807218
Just do it like the Pokemon Ranger games

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:12:21 No.45808815 Report

Quoted By: >>45818354

>>45808778
I'm 30.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:13:47 No.45808831 Report

Quoted By: >>45811409

>>45808748
I'm sure gamefreak, the developer of games of the biggest franchise in the world, has the money and resources to make it happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:14:45 No.45808840 Report

Quoted By: >>45809021

>>45807218
How come I almost never see any of this animated or, better yet, programmed and playable?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 21:43:17 No.45809021 Report

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>>45808840
making games as one lonely autist aint easy nigga, and getting a budget from an investor to build a small team of artists and programmers to expedite the process is impossible when creating a fan project that infringes on the copyright of a famously protective and litigious company

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 22:40:52 No.45809580 Report

Quoted By: >>45809589

>>45808623
>xenoblade
>good
oh my god so this is the kind of people that hate SS? I think I might finally get Sword next month

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 22:42:19 No.45809589 Report

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>>45809580
I never said the game was good but it looks much better than swsh from a graphical standpoint

BME !wp8LJJh.fs

BME !wp8LJJh.fs Wed 30 Dec 2020 23:00:19 No.45809752 Report

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>>45807236
There's not a single downside to overworld encounters, you just don't like change

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 23:34:39 No.45810056 Report

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>>45807257
>The unowns
>Gardevoir in Burka
>Child smuggling
>Air drone strikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Dec 2020 23:51:53 No.45810252 Report

Quoted By: >>45811303

>>45807593
why did they elongate the torso on the model

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 01:22:52 No.45811303 Report

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>>45810252
small indie company please understand

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 01:28:14 No.45811362 Report

Quoted By: >>45820322

>>45808178
Why are the trainers so fucking close

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 01:33:57 No.45811409 Report

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>>45808831
You should know that dot artists are a specialized type of labor. Most industry standard prepares for 3D and texture artists. 2D is possible, but the costs are astronomical these days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 01:37:20 No.45811438 Report

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>>45807218
I'm not against overworld encounters inherently, but the problem with 2D sprites is that your character has to take up a certain amount of the screen in order for them to be sufficiently detailed. You run the risk of the screen being overcrowded and overloading the player if the landscapes aren't big enough to accommodate multiple pokemon moving around, spawning and despawning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 04:53:23 No.45812805 Report

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>>45807257
This looks like it could be from clover

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 05:11:52 No.45812889 Report

Quoted By:

>>45807218
I think they'll bring it back by using nostalgia bait gen 1 graphics

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 05:14:38 No.45812906 Report

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>>45807257
>>45807218
>Looks soulless and uninspired
>Procedes to advocate towards having only 2 sprites shifting back in forth as "overworld" mons

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 05:23:18 No.45812944 Report

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>>45807218
I don't think we'll ever get a proper 2D installment again either, sadly. I would like to see them experiment more with styles though, like they did with the Mystery Dungeon remake and it's storybook-esque look.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 07:05:01 No.45813370 Report

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Random encounters should just be a little more rare and dynamic eg your party pokemon affect the encounter rates. The feeling of wanting to explore but being curious about wildlife is very true to life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 12:05:26 No.45814458 Report

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>>45807218
is that a legit romhack in the OP? it looks amazing.
I think it'll be nice if generic pokemon are in the overworld whereas random encounters are left for rarer pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 12:30:29 No.45814549 Report

Quoted By: >>45814739

>>45807257
That looks terrible.

Everyone who makes fanmade Pokémon fangames are obsessed with recreating the past rather than exploring turns and twists the series could make with its graphical style.

You'd think people would try something more than grid based movement on reskins of the first 3 gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 13:18:02 No.45814739 Report

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>>45814549
>Everyone who makes fanmade Pokémon fangames are obsessed with recreating the past rather than exploring turns and twists the series could make with its graphical style.
if it aint broke don’t fix it. Nothing wrong with that mindset.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 18:29:38 No.45816793 Report

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>>45807218
>soulless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2020 22:26:14 No.45818354 Report

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>>45808815
Post ID

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jan 2021 02:21:16 No.45820072 Report

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>>45807218
is this a mockup or essential?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jan 2021 02:43:12 No.45820184 Report

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>>45807593
when 3D haxorus came out i stopped wanting to fuck it, anyone knows that feel of being cured from dragon lust?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jan 2021 02:44:23 No.45820189 Report

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>>45807257
>Electrodes and Voltorbs everywhere
I fucking love you guys

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jan 2021 03:08:10 No.45820322 Report

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>>45811362
that was always the biggest problem i had with the 3D transitioning. trainers have HUGE ASS ARENAS as backgrounds but they insist on staying in the middle of the fucking field like theyre starting a football match or something

it would create a pretty cool sense of depth and be more soulfull overall if the pokemons had distance between each other and actually approached to make physical attacks

its not even that difficult of a thing to do

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