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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:02:41 No.46080261 View View Reply Original Report

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He wasn't a bad villian

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:03:57 No.46080271 Report

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NIGGERS

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:05:24 No.46080283 Report

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He wasn't, he's the perfect example of a villain that doesn't need to state his motives a million times because the game already proves him right.
It still blows my mind that Kalos had Pokemon-abusing rich people, children in slums, and Pokemon bioenergy being used as a resource yet people love to conveniently state that Lysandre makes no sense in complaining about whether or not there's enough resources to support population growth.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:06:29 No.46080287 Report

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>>46080261
Kalos just had some pacing issues and his team members are very divorced from the things he values, like the exact opposite. So it's more like everything surrounding Lysandre sucks, not Lysandre himself

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:07:22 No.46080291 Report

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>>46080261
Better than Rose, N, Ghetsis, Cyrus, Archie and Maxie at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:08:23 No.46080294 Report

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>>46080287
I'm still convinced Xerosic and the Flare Admins came from Ultra Space and were the true manipulators behind the operation.
Xerosic is even the one to activate the weapon anyway, it makes too much sense.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:09:34 No.46080299 Report

Quoted By: >>46080311

I like how special did him, not only was he proven right, the protagonists almost started going down his path themselves after his death since Marlva started a smeer campaign against them as petty revenge that made everyone afraid and angry at them, it was only by the grace of a few people they didn't go down his path.

Rose, Lusamine,Cyrus, their actions are because of how mentally broken

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:10:53 No.46080309 Report

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>>46080261
>>46080283
Don’t care, XY were boring and I couldn’t even tell you what this guy’s motivations were because I mashed A through all of his dialogue because it was a yawnfest lol.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:11:05 No.46080311 Report

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>>46080261
>>46080283
>>46080287
>>46080291
>>46080294
>>46080299
>so much shit taste

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:11:53 No.46080316 Report

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>>46080309
yeah so many of xy's characters and plotthreads were barebones

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:21:44 No.46080400 Report

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>>46080283
When were there children in slums?

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:26:48 No.46080447 Report

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>>46080261
I was reading the other day about accelerationism in Jewish literature (Tikkun Olam) and many in fact want to bring about the end of the world by basically destroying civilization for the messiah to come.
I think they tried to convey this thing into Lysandre, but poorly.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:28:31 No.46080467 Report

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>>46080400
Emma

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:29:49 No.46080477 Report

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>>46080261
If the game wasn't rushed he unironicaly would've been the best villain in the series if he was developed more

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:30:36 No.46080482 Report

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>>46080283
don't fuck with pokemon fans, we have no critical thinking skills

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:31:10 No.46080487 Report

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my gripe is how the game wants you to think he's a good guy, him revealing himself as the antagonist is supposed to be some huge twist.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:33:55 No.46080505 Report

Quoted By: >>46080568

Lysandre kinda freaks me out in the Ultra arc. Dude has a completely unhinged look on his face the entire time, then i remember, oh yeah, he's from a reality where he won, he killed everbody like he wanted and now that world is just his and Team Flare's.. Talk about nightmare fuel, imagine those psychos restarting a world of their own, there's also the realities of the other leaders, Maxie and Archie are from different realities, meaning one reality is a vast empty scorching wasteland and the other is a ball of endless water, What's interesting is Cyrus didn't' win in his reality, Giritina swallowed his ass up just like in the games we play but he still has Dialga or Palkia
and the reality Ghetsis came from may be saved because he lost to the kid and had a mental breakdown as a result

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:38:29 No.46080532 Report

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>>46080309
Sorry you need to have everything brought up and overexplained 100 times throughout the games' unskippable cutscenes.
God forbid they do actual worldbuilding.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:43:02 No.46080568 Report

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>>46080505
Only Giovanni would travel through time and space to recruit a bunch of world destroying psychopaths and think nothing bad could happen to him.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 20:44:25 No.46080576 Report

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>>46080261
based kaloschad. fags will shit on XY's story even though it was 10x better than the shitty, slow, handholdy, generic SuMo one

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 21:36:27 No.46081005 Report

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>>46080532
Wat
The game makes Lysandre out to be an uninteresting character from the get go complaining about how the champion is gonna have to get old and how terrible it is the world isn’t his ideal of beautiful. Lost interest right then and there. Not my fault they don’t care to make the guy’s motivations consistent from the beginning. Does he wanna nuke everything because he’s a misanthrope or because he hates ugliness? The world building was flawed from the beginning lol. Why should I care about the guy when you only learn of his decent intentions mad late into the game for 10 seconds?

Saving alleged children in slums =/= being a beauty snob. Where were these children anyway? This implies world and motivation building you claim XY had isn’t there. Bad guys misused Pokemon since Gen 1. The bio energy shit isn’t an argument since the player only sees Lysandre using it with no information as to why thus further supporting the notion that the story made no sense perspective wise and gave nobody a reason to care. Horrible writing, horrible game.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:20:39 No.46081329 Report

Quoted By: >>46081409 >>46081423 >>46081432 >>46081443 >>46081455 >>46081466

He'd be a kino villain if they actually took the time to show the problems he kept rambling about, because the Pokemon world has always been portrayed as nearly utopic. He's literally the only character in the whole series to ever claim resources were becoming scarce.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:29:31 No.46081409 Report

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>>46081005
>>46081329
You can't be serious.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:31:04 No.46081423 Report

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>>46081329
>>46081005
Nope, there is nothing to even imply in XY that the world is anything but a utopia.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:32:05 No.46081432 Report

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>>46081329
>>46081005
Perfectly fine, in fact-- there's no conflict after you defeat Lysandre. That's how much of a non-issue his whole deal was.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:33:06 No.46081443 Report

Quoted By: >>46081513 >>46081535 >>46081978

>>46081005
>>46081329
There is absolutely zero worldbuilding in XY. Truly, they are the worst games. The fact that you don't have map markers showing you where to go proves this as the game is basically aimless.
There is zero plot. The world is a utopia, Rose is clearly the better villain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:33:26 No.46081446 Report

Quoted By: >>46081455 >>46081466 >>46081468

>>46080261
>He only wanted to save the rich(5 million dollar joining fee) and no one else
Yeah sure he wasn't a bad guy

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:35:13 No.46081455 Report

Quoted By: >>46081466 >>46081513 >>46081978

>>46081329
>>46081005
>>46081446
Yep, that's exactly right. Team Flare is just about style or something, I didn't play the game btw. No idea what a "chosen one" is.
Team Flare are the only people in Kalos to try and distinguish the rich from the poor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:36:36 No.46081466 Report

Quoted By: >>46081477 >>46081513 >>46081978

>>46081005
>>46081329
>>46081455
>>46081446
There is certainy nothing about the nobility in Kalos anywhere in the game, nope. Lysandre just brings it up for no reason.
I think Swordward and Shielbert were better characters btw. After all, the ENTIRETY of Galar shows just how big of a celebrity icon they are.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:37:13 No.46081468 Report

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>>46081446
Also if you meant he didn't suck compared to other villains then you're still wrong,only Rose was a bigger idiot.How would he have killed the commoners in X?What was the big plan on giving every single person caught in the blast eternal life?

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:38:19 No.46081477 Report

Quoted By: >>46081513 >>46081978 >>46082045

>>46081466
Nope, nothing at all. XY are the worst games story-wise because they don't remind you what's going on every second by saying the same thing over and over. They're also the worst games gameplay-wise because it lets the player have too much freedom and the route design is all over the place, I mean there are entire sections of routes that can't even be accessed until post-game or just before it, that's too much! I like the checkpoint system better.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:39:57 No.46081493 Report

Quoted By: >>46081512 >>46081722 >>46085861

>>46080291
>Cyrus
Lysandre and Cyrus are actually pretty similar, I like Cyrus more because he at least says his grunts are pieces of shit and he will leave them out of his perfect world. It really annoys me how Team Flare grunts are scumbags and you need to pay millions to even join, it really shits on Lysandre's character and contradicts his views. Were Gamefreak just too scared to make the dude wanting genocide somewhat virtuous so they deliberately sabotaged the character? Why not make Flare grunts orphans that Lysandre raised or something? I don't know.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:41:40 No.46081512 Report

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>>46081493
Because the Flare Grunts + Admins are all blue-skins that cover their eyes.
Just remnants of the dropped alien plot.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:41:49 No.46081513 Report

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>>46081409
>>46081423
>>46081432
>>46081443
>>46081455
>>46081466
>>46081477
None of this even remotely comes close to the dire situation Lysandre was describing. The guy was acting like the Kalos war was something that still happened in the present day.
Some of these, like the limited key stones and the homeless kids, get resolved so trivially they barely seem like issues at all.
Game Freak tried to make Lysandre and extremist with some good points, but he comes off as a lunatic trying to genocide the world because some people are mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:45:07 No.46081535 Report

Quoted By: >>46081637

>>46081409
>>46081423
>>46081432
>>46081443
>XYgotes are already starting to infest the board
It's only a matter of time people who grew up with LGPE will start posting as well

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:47:07 No.46081551 Report

Quoted By: >>46081591

I wonder how many of these people saying Lysandre is a bad villain also cock suck Cyrus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:51:28 No.46081591 Report

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>>46081551
All Pokemon villains are gay and retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:55:40 No.46081626 Report

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>>46080261
>>46080283
Jesus christ you fucking people

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 22:56:32 No.46081637 Report

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>>46081535
We've had Alolasome newfags on this board since before USUM's reveal, are you really surprised the Kalosperms are coming out of the woodwork to try and correct them?

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 23:04:40 No.46081722 Report

Quoted By: >>46081842

>>46081493
Geovanni - Money and Power
Maxie and Archie - Echo Autism
Cyrus - Erase all of Existence to remake it in his image as the new God of creation
Ghetsis - Palpatine when he get's betrayed by his apprentice for being too evil
Lysander - Palpatine but now he's Darth Sidious and has a death star that he wants to use to kill everyone cause he's tired of their shit, also star wars ending where everyone gets a medal....GF staff really got into star wars for those games
Guzma - Did it to get laid the absolute chad
Lusamine - why are all women in pokemon like this
Rainbow Rocket - Asspull multiverse were each villain was pulled through a wormhole before they failed so they either never died nor learned their lesson

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 23:17:25 No.46081842 Report

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>>46081722
No.
>Giovanni: Business, Pokemon poaching and selling
>Maxie and Archie: (RSE) Expansion of the Land/Sea; (ORAS) Turn the world back to the beginning
>Cyrus: Unironically just a sperg that wants to live in a world where he doesn't have to pick up on social cues. Wants to create a world where he's the only one there (DPPt) / Was unknowingly searching for a place like the Distortion World (Generations / DP Remakes, probably)
>Ghetsis: Jewish Peta, calls everyone racist bigots in order to usurp power by being the sole user of Pokemon
>Lysandre: Rich Thanos, wanted to pull another AZcaust
>Guzma: Daddy issues
>Lusamine: Mommy issues
>Piers: Probably to stop Rose's whole fuckery with Dynamax but we'll never know
>Rose: Probably to just secure the profits from Galar's stadiums, we'll never know.

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 23:32:17 No.46081978 Report

Quoted By: >>46085795

>>46081409
>some rando lost his dog in a maze
>>46081423
wat
>>46081432
>>46081443
Postgame AFTER beating Lysandre
>>46081455
Literally nothing to do with Lysandre
>>46081477
>>46081466
>There’s nobility in France; this means something more than there’s nobility in France

LOL that’s the best you got? My original point still stands >>46081005 100% completely. The ONLY posts that gives your XY autism credence are the screenshots from after beating Lysandre and that’s literally what I said XD The game fails to explain the motivation for Lysandre in the world set up in the game until after catching Xerneas/Yveltyl. Shit game 0/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 23:38:48 No.46082045 Report

Quoted By: >>46085795

>>46081477
Btw XY is also garbage because the route/map design is atrocious beyond words. There is literally a snow route right next to an autumn route and also right next to sunny Anistar. Oh and a desert right outside the main city like Unova for no reason.

KALOS IS HORRIBLE YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE THIS FACT NO 3RD VERSION OR REMAKE WILL EVER FIX IT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 23:40:20 No.46082058 Report

Quoted By: >>46082157

I remember playing XY and the EXP share put me 10 levels above the Champion and I didn’t even battle all the trainers or use even just 6 Pokemon. Lol worst games in the series hands down. Thank God they didn’t get 3rd versions

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Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 23:43:03 No.46082080 Report

Quoted By: >>46082152

He's interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 23:49:30 No.46082118 Report

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>humans are fuckups that fucking ruin everything, they need to fuck off
Morals are in the right place
>im going to kill them all and be a ruler because that'll stop it
Aaaaand he's an idiot like the rest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 23:55:24 No.46082152 Report

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>>46082080
I'm mad you made me look

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 Jan 2021 23:56:25 No.46082157 Report

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>>46082058
And on top of that you had super training to fully ev train a pokemon in a few minutes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 00:18:29 No.46082289 Report

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>>46080283
Didn’t know bait could be this obvious

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 00:41:49 No.46082445 Report

Quoted By: >>46082517

Sordward and Shielbert were better villains.
>WAAAAAH I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE SO I'M GONNA BLOW EVERYTHING UP
Is this a villain to take seriously or a 13 year old's diary?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 00:52:17 No.46082517 Report

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>>46082445
cope galarvae

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Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 01:01:05 No.46082585 Report

Quoted By: >>46082630

>lol you need 5,000,000 Pokedollars to join Team Flare
>What's that? You don't have that kind of money? Too bad, you and your loved ones can die off along with everyone else.
>But thanks for the contribution, greedy rich douchebag. You get to live to see tomorrow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 01:06:06 No.46082630 Report

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>>46082585
>ecofascist ancap decides to nuke the world in self defense because 13/50
>this is a good villian, whose motivations are supported by the game's setting, according to kalocels

do you guys think you're making XY look good by lying like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 01:19:29 No.46082740 Report

Quoted By: >>46085343

>Be a rich motherfucker
>See injustice in the world, humans abusing pokemon, homeless people living on the streets
>Maybe I should use my massive wealth and influence to help fix what I see is wrong in this world
>Actually nvm lol ill just use an ancient machine to kill all pokemon and poor people instead
>gather team of rich assholes and capture extremely rare and powerful creature to power the machine
>random 15 year old comes along
>dies anyways

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Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 01:34:22 No.46082823 Report

Quoted By: >>46084225

>>46080283
> because the game already proves him right.

Anon, he wants to start holocaust 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 04:50:49 No.46084118 Report

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>>46080261
XY is filled with neat concepts but failed executions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 05:05:24 No.46084225 Report

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>>46082823
That sounds pretty based desu

Also why does that shota have such wide hips

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Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 08:03:11 No.46085223 Report

Quoted By: >>46085247

>>46080261
>overpopulation problem causing resources to grow scarce
>one party wants to rely on altruists to pick up the slack
>one party wants to fix it by killing all the poor people
I dunno, I feel like there is a wrong answer here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 08:07:52 No.46085247 Report

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>>46085223
If there are no resources how do you pick up the slack? The only answer is to kill the poor. I mean the fuck are you supposed to do about there being nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 08:14:06 No.46085271 Report

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Breakaway civilization plot point is nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCFtCa_iSBY

Only problem is even shitmons are like an unlimited energy source. There's pokemon creating energy and matter all over the place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 08:28:51 No.46085343 Report

Quoted By: >>46085356 >>46085754

>>46082740
>Maybe I should use my massive wealth and influence to help fix what I see is wrong in this world
He already tried that. The moment he realized it was hard, he gave up.
>"When I was young, I went on a journey around Kalos with my Pokemon. I reached out to help those suffering because they had nothing. At first, they were grateful, but eventually, they began to take my help for granted and demand more and more… Will fools like those people consume the Kalos region? This world is stable and secure. So the population of people and Pokemon continues to increase unabated. But there is a limit to the amount of money and energy the world is capable of producing. Either everything is lost, or only a handful are saved. This is something best not left to man… I must use a tool of higher power."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 08:31:53 No.46085356 Report

Quoted By: >>46085367 >>46085507

>>46085343
Why is this dialogue so fucking clunky? That's a lot of fucking words for "I don't like people because people greedy, also overpopulation exceeding resources whatever". Is it too much for these characters to talk like actual people?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 08:34:31 No.46085367 Report

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>>46085356
To be fair, this is his journal you find in his lab so of course it reads like a teenager's Livejournal, but new Pokemon games have a fuckton of text and when the game's already releasing in an unfinished state nobody bothers to edit it for readability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 09:17:12 No.46085507 Report

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>>46085356
I wonder how much is fault of the localization, and how much is fault of the original script

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 09:18:44 No.46085517 Report

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>>46080261
>In an alternate universe where Pokémon actually got better as the series progressed

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Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 10:24:25 No.46085754 Report

Quoted By: >>46085782

>>46085343
>I give ppl things but they kept asking for more so instead of finding a way to have them work for it to some extent and teach them not everything is handed out for free ill just kill them all
Man what a fucking loser lmfao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 10:32:05 No.46085780 Report

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>>46080294
wtf based gamefreak

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Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 10:32:40 No.46085782 Report

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>>46085754
>gypsy, sub-saharan african or algerian detected.

kalos belongs to kalosians. stop trying to make people give you money for feeling sorry for your hoothoot: we all know it really has two legs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 10:36:05 No.46085795 Report

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>>46082045
>>46081978
rent-free, this is proof you cant say anything positive about these games

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Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 10:51:19 No.46085861 Report

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>>46081493
I think that the point was to show how Lysandre don't care about his team and treats them only as platform for their bigger scale plans. He was indifferent towards them, ignorant and was not interested in their actions till their were doing their job. From the entire team only Xerosic and maybe Malva knew more about his plans. Normal mooks and even the 5 scientists were there to fuck around and be cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 14:42:27 No.46086648 Report

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>>46080261
Sometimes i feel like people confuse what is with what could have been/the potential the character had

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 14:45:57 No.46086658 Report

Quoted By: >>46087342

>>46080261
Could we please go back to down to earth villains like Giovanni?

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Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 14:46:30 No.46086664 Report

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>>46080261
based

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Anonymous Sun 31 Jan 2021 16:46:32 No.46087342 Report

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>>46086658
Lysandre is the third-most grounded villain next to Guzma.

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