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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 23:43:20 No.50895714 View View Reply Original Report

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fixed

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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 23:52:28 No.50895773 Report

Quoted By: >>50895812 >>50896007 >>50896539

>>50895714
>actually buffing the Steel type
ohnononono

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 23:53:02 No.50895775 Report

Quoted By: >>50895812 >>50896007

>>50895714
>steel only having 2 weaknesses
>Grass being even more worthless offensively
MEDS NOW

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 23:54:59 No.50895791 Report

Quoted By: >>50895812

>sinnohfetus wants dialga to have no weaknesses
you were not subtle enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 23:58:53 No.50895809 Report

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>>50895714
Just make him pure steel type and give it recover.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Jul 2022 23:59:23 No.50895812 Report

Quoted By: >>50895868 >>50895881

>>50895791
>>50895775
>>50895773
>>50895714
He should also get Solid Rock ability, so that those 2x weaknesses become 1.5x.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:07:37 No.50895853 Report

Quoted By: >>50895868

>>50895714
You know, if Solid Rock could give immunities to the Double-Weaknesses, it would just be necessary to just give it to ya, buddy.
Can even help poor Carracosta and Camerupt in the process.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:09:33 No.50895864 Report

Quoted By: >>50895881 >>50896539

>>50895714
>nerfing grass
>buffing steel
Just give bastiodon solid rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:10:13 No.50895868 Report

Quoted By: >>50895921

>>50895714
>>50895812
>>50895853
play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:10:26 No.50895870 Report

Quoted By: >>50895890 >>50895927 >>50896539

Steel should be weak to Water. Water rusts Steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:13:09 No.50895881 Report

Quoted By: >>50896027 >>50896109

>>50895864
>>50895812
Would it even be good with Solid Rock? I feel like it'd need some form of self sustain to keep itself in the fight. Are there even any good minmaxed wall Pokemon that don't have an easy way to heal themselves? I know Forretress fell to the wayside when Pokemon like Ferrothorn showed up but I'll admit I'm not too well versed in what exactly makes a Pokemon viable.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:14:01 No.50895890 Report

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>>50895870
>4x weak to fighting, ground, and water
Kino. Make it happen, Gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:14:19 No.50895892 Report

Quoted By: >>50896539

>>50895714
>buffing steel
absolutely deranged t. steelfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:21:51 No.50895921 Report

Quoted By: >>50895928

>>50895868
>play the game
>by which I mean the smogon fanfic meta
haha no thanks I don't have a need to transition

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:24:21 No.50895927 Report

Quoted By: >>50895938

>>50895870
OK I make steel weak to water only.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:24:26 No.50895928 Report

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>>50895921
You're going full schizo, Verlisify fan. You need to take your pills

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:28:11 No.50895938 Report

Quoted By: >>50895946

>>50895927
>dialga still has no weaknesses
discord thread alert

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:29:17 No.50895946 Report

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>>50895938
>dialga
who? sounds like some sort of troon nickname on discord

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:41:29 No.50896007 Report

Quoted By: >>50896539

>>50895773
>>50895775
sissybois love to cry about Fairy type when Steel is still the most bullshit, OP type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:44:34 No.50896027 Report

Quoted By: >>50896045 >>50896109

>>50895881
Heatran, Tapu Fini, Tyranitar. All great defensive pokemon and very important walls in OU but none of them have any recovery outside of leftovers (or Draining Kiss for Fini but it's not good outside of heavy investment). Ferrothorn pretty much counts too, yes it has Leech Seed but that's not very reliable compared to Roost, Wish, etc and many Ferrothorns don't run it at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:45:25 No.50896033 Report

Quoted By: >>50896039

>>50895714
>nerfing grass even harder
kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:46:40 No.50896039 Report

Quoted By: >>50896049 >>50899600

>>50896033
grass is an early game type like bug
stop trying to use it in serious matches

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:47:21 No.50896045 Report

Quoted By: >>50896064

>>50896027
>Ferro and Fini
Bros you told me Grass is a bad type... did you lie to me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:47:56 No.50896049 Report

Quoted By: >>50896152

>>50896039
t. Meganium hater

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:50:05 No.50896064 Report

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>>50896045
Bulu is the Grass one (and it's UU because Rillaboom is just a better version of it in every way), Fini is water. But yes the people who think Grass is a bad type are retards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 00:58:30 No.50896109 Report

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>>50895881
>>50896027
Aside from buffing Rock and it's HP, what Bastiodon truly needs is more offensive pressure itself. All those other mons check or counter big threats and can threaten them out. Bastiodon does nothing but set up rocks and hope it can decimate something with Metal Burst because it's so fucking weak it can't do anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 01:04:49 No.50896152 Report

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>>50896049
meganium can suck my balls
venusaur is the only good grass starter, with an honorable mention to torterra

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 01:17:39 No.50896247 Report

Quoted By: >>50896539

>OP triggering everyone for buffing steel
Steel doesnt need a defensive buff, but Rock sure as shit does. However
> Removing grass weakness
Grass needs every little bit of offensive power it has, just like poison.

Removing water weakness from Rock is fine though.

Also give it Shore Up and Sand Stream.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:08:29 No.50896539 Report

Quoted By: >>50896542 >>50896548 >>50896556 >>50896587 >>50897398 >>50897735 >>50898520 >>50899713

>>50896247
>>50896007
>>50895892
>>50895870
>>50895864
>>50895773
Steel should regain its resistances against Dark and Ghost, Ground should deal neutral damage to it, and Bug should be nullified completely like Poison. In exchange it should be NVE against Ground and only deal normal damage to fairies. Change my mind.
>b-but it’s broken!
No. Steel’s point is to be a defensive type that resists almost everything but is effective against very little, the opposite of how Ice is an offensive type that resists only itself but is effective against many types. Removing its offensive power in exchange for buffing defense is being true to the point of Steel types. Since Steel has little in the way of offense in the first place this is a fair trade.
>wh-why Dark and Ghost?
Steel originally resisted both until it was unfairly nerfed in Gen 6. Sure Fairy type came into being but that didn’t justify weakening Steel for no reason. In fact if anything since Fairies took over Steel’s traditional role as the anti dragon type Steel needed to be buffed. I am just fixing GF’s mistake by restoring Steel’s natural resistances.
>removing the ground weakness is bad!
And in exchange I made Steel not very effective against Ground. Strengthening defense, weakening offense, kind of the entire point of Steel. A more meaningful type interaction without making Steel OP.
>why no damage from bugs?
Bug is a poor offensive type already relegated to the early game. This is simply a buff to compensate for…
>normal damage to fairies
Poison was supposed to be buffed by it being SE against fairies but Steel is better at this in every way and the huge number of Psychic/Fairies means that Poison really isn’t such a good fairy. Making Poison Fairy’s only weakness will make the meta healthier while balancing out Steel nicely.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:09:34 No.50896542 Report

Quoted By: >>50896659

>>50896539
mentally ill post

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:10:19 No.50896548 Report

Quoted By: >>50896659

>>50896539
>bug should be nerfed b-because it just should be okay???
Kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:11:57 No.50896556 Report

Quoted By: >>50896659

>>50896539
>Buffing Steel back to it's Dark/Ghost resistances
>Now getting rid of it's earthquake weakness, for no reason
Are you retarded?
>Nerfing Bug even more
Good lord yes you're retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:17:26 No.50896587 Report

Quoted By: >>50896607

>>50896539
Steel’s new type effectiveness chart under my proposed changes :

DEFENSIVE
No effect on Steel : Bug, Poison
Not very effective against Steel : Normal, Grass, Ice, Flying, Psychic, Rock, Dragon, Steel, Fairy, Ghost, Dark
Super effective against Steel : Fire, Fighting
Normal damage against Steel : Water, Electric, Ground

OFFENSIVE
Steel super effective against : Rock, Ice
Steel not very effective against : Fire, Water, Electric, Ground, Steel
Steel does normal damage against : Bug, Poison, Normal, Grass, Flying, Psychic, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Dark, Fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:20:43 No.50896607 Report

Quoted By: >>50896659

>>50896587
take your meds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:29:39 No.50896659 Report

Quoted By: >>50896669 >>50896693 >>50896735 >>50897154

>>50896607
>>50896542
This is a thread about proposed type resistance changes and I proposed a type resistance change. If anything you’re the one posting off topic here.
>>50896548
Bug is already a bad type, no one uses bug moves on Steel mons anyways. If it bothers you so much maybe it could be changed to another immunity but I think bug works the best.
>>50896556
Buffing means that you’re making something better, but Steel already had dark and ghost resistances. I am just restoring it, or undoing a nerf, not buffing. As for the loss of ground weakness that’s compensated by a reduction in offensive power. You should come up with better arguments instead of ad hominem.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:31:33 No.50896669 Report

Quoted By: >>50896723

>>50896659
So your solution is to make Bug even worse? Terrible rationale. Bug shouldn't be a victim of your own biases. Why not pick a type that actually deserves a nerf?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:36:30 No.50896693 Report

Quoted By: >>50896723

>>50896659
>Buffing means that you’re making something better, but Steel already had dark and ghost resistances. I am just restoring it, or undoing a nerf, not buffing.
So getting rid of all of Psychic's weaknesses and offensive resists wouldn't be a buff to Psychic? Good to know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:41:31 No.50896723 Report

Quoted By: >>50896734 >>50897888

>>50896693
The psychic TYPE itself wasn’t nerfed, there were just counters introduced for it. No other type directly was nerfed as badly as Steel was in gen 6 and that’s a fact.
>>50896669
Thematically speaking Steel being immune to Bug makes sense. What’s an insect going to do against metal? The only other resistance to immunity upgrade I could think of as a substitute is Fairy, but if I nerfed Fairy too much that would just ruin the type interactions again and make the same problems that cause Fairy to be necessary in the first place. I’m open to discussion though.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:43:16 No.50896734 Report

Quoted By: >>50896807

>>50896723
>The psychic TYPE itself wasn’t nerfed, there were just counters introduced for it.
Psychic was immune to Ghost in gen 1. In gen 2 it became a weakness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:43:22 No.50896735 Report

Quoted By: >>50896807

>>50896659
absolutely deranged

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:53:59 No.50896807 Report

Quoted By: >>50896843

>>50896734
This was a coding error rather than an intentional choice. Doesn’t count.
>>50896735
Why do you hate Steel type for no reason?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 02:58:58 No.50896843 Report

Quoted By: >>50897688

>>50896807
>This was a coding error rather than an intentional choice. Doesn’t count.
If it was really a bug they could've fixed it in Stadium like they did for 1 in 256. Instead they kept it, because it was not a bug.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 03:45:18 No.50897144 Report

Quoted By: >>50897688

>Steelfaggot is delusional
Your balancing would make Jirachi fucking unkillable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 03:46:59 No.50897154 Report

Quoted By: >>50897688

>>50896659
>I am just restoring it, or undoing a nerf
Nigger, that's a buff. An unnecessary, overpowering buff.
You should kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 04:23:39 No.50897398 Report

Quoted By: >>50897718

>>50896539
>and Bug should be nullified completely
Lmao where did the bug touch you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 05:27:18 No.50897688 Report

Quoted By: >>50897721 >>50897964

>>50896843
>why didn’t they fix all the errors in a spin-off game from the 90s
Even if it was intentional (doubtful), Psychic only lost 1 type immunity that only lasted for 1 gen. Steel lost 2 that lasted for 4 generations. Steel was the only type nerfed that badly.
>>50897144
>what is Fire type
Play the game schizo
>>50897154
>unnecessary, overpowering buff
Yes, tell me more about how OP Steel was in Gens 2-5… oh wait, it wasn’t. At all. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to undo unnecessary nerfs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 05:37:24 No.50897718 Report

Quoted By: >>50897743 >>50897745

>>50897398
Bug is already very good since it counters Grass, one of the three starter types, and Psychic, a very common typing for legends and pseudo legends. The Dark super effectiveness is icing on the cake. Any more strength and bug would be OP especially considering that it is an early game type. Making Steel as strong as it used to be justified the means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 05:38:14 No.50897721 Report

Quoted By: >>50897792

>>50897688
Steel doesn't deserve to have any more resistances. It already resists enough things. Shut up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 05:40:17 No.50897735 Report

Quoted By: >>50897792

>>50896539
By that logic, Ice should be super effective against far more than just 5 types. It should be super effective to as many types as Steel resists then. It's only fair.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 05:42:45 No.50897743 Report

Quoted By: >>50897792

>>50897718
totally unhinged

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 05:43:47 No.50897745 Report

Quoted By: >>50897792

>>50897718
I thought you said Bug was a bad typing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 05:57:14 No.50897792 Report

Quoted By: >>50897967

>>50897721
Steel is a defensive type, if anything it doesn’t have enough resistances considering its many common weaknesses. Even so I am not saying to add any more resistances, just restoring Steel’s old resistances and removing some weaknesses. Learn to read.
>>50897735
Defense and offense are different, given the nature of STAB and how a Pokémon can have up to 4 different offensive type moves but only 2 defensive types. In addition Ice hits important and common types like Dragon and Flying super effectively which adds to its power. I do agree that it could be better offensively though.
>>50897743
Yes I agree your autistic hatred for steel type is unhinged
>>50897745
>everyone that disagrees with me is the same person
Less makey threads, more takey meds. And yes, bug is a perfectly strong type considering its archetype in the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 06:23:31 No.50897888 Report

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>>50896723
>No other type directly was nerfed as badly as Steel was in gen 6 and that’s a fact.
The dragon type was, Dragon's were supposed to be this end all be all type, The final boss type and then game freak decided to crap all over logical game design by making an easily accessible type that completely craps all over it. You could make the argument that fighting was also nerfed as hard as Dragon.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 06:54:35 No.50897964 Report

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>>50897688
>(you) have to pick a fire type because ONE mon happens to not take enough damage from Earthquake, Fighting Moves, BoltBeam, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 06:55:44 No.50897967 Report

Quoted By: >>50897971

>>50897792
>if anything it doesn’t have enough resistances considering its many common weaknesses
Bruh
More resistances and more weaknesses is better than less of both. Steel is already the strongest type in competitive due to its versatility and ability to blanket check a lot of threats, it deserved to be nerfed into not resisting ghost and dark, and it doesn't need its current weaknesses removed. If anything it should be better offensively, because steel types had little reason to run steel moves besides STAB.
>Steel’s point is to be a defensive type that resists almost everything but is effective against very little
Says you. No type should be that one-dimensional imo. It's not like there isn't offensive steel types - Bisharp, Escavalier, Excadrill, Magnezone, Metagross, Scizor and so on are all clearly meant to dish out damage.
>the opposite of how Ice is an offensive type that resists only itself but is effective against many types.
Not nearly as effective enough, and it shows in how bad it is. The main thing holding ice back is its defensive shortcomings, because it hinders the versatility of pretty much every ice type. Remember how I said more resistances and weaknesses is better than less? Ice gets neither. You can't switch them in and neutral matchups they don't outspeed usually become losing matchups. Even if you made it hit twice as many types super-effectively, it wouldn't "fix" ice types, just make everything run ice coverage.
>Removing its offensive power in exchange for buffing defense is being true to the point of Steel types. Since Steel has little in the way of offense in the first place this is a fair trade.
It's really not a fair trade. Flanderizing a type is not a good thing for the meta, because taking away steel type offensive efficacy doesn't really matter. They'll literally just stop using steel moves. The suggestion you proposed is a straight buff. You can see this in how steel types were even more prevalent pre-gen 6.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 06:58:20 No.50897971 Report

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>>50897967
>because steel types had little reason to run steel moves besides STAB
before fairies*
>Ice gets neither
Ice doesn't get resistances but still gets plenty of weaknesses*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 08:03:01 No.50898125 Report

Quoted By: >>50898788

>>50895714
Water can cut through and erode rock. Plants can grow through the ground. This is why Water and Grass have type advantages against Ground and Rock.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 10:05:56 No.50898487 Report

Quoted By: >>50898788

>water erodes rock
>grass absorbs minerals
>not good enough according to cock sucking OP
>but martial artists breaking rocks with their bare hands is fine
OP confirmed even more retarded than gamefreak

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 10:13:39 No.50898520 Report

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>>50896539
You're just as retarded as GameFreak, if not even more so somehow.
Steel being the defensive type falls apart as a concept when its paired with just about any other type that isn't fucking rock or ice.
Hell, its already way too fucking overtuned when given access to things like Body Press or Gyro Ball on something as min maxed as Ferrothorn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 11:36:50 No.50898788 Report

Quoted By: >>50899000 >>50899092

>>50898125
>>50898487
>water erodes rock
over thousands of years
>grass absorbs minerals
right so since I can eat things with the carbon atom in it, that means I can eat rock? dumb cope
> [plants] grow through the ground
has nothing to do with rocks
rock != ground type in pokemon, cmon fag
> martial artists breaking rocks with bare hands is fine
it's from the land of weeaboos where one punch man is from, you uncultured swine

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 12:16:19 No.50899000 Report

Quoted By: >>50899050 >>50899146

>>50898788
>over thousands of years
Yes but also in seconds with enough pressure. Sorry man but rock being weak to water and grass is too engrained to be changed dumb bitch.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 12:23:28 No.50899040 Report

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I agree with steelanon, buffing steel is the path for a healthier metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 12:26:46 No.50899050 Report

Quoted By:

>>50899000
Yeah, aren't moves like hydro pump based on firing out pressurized water?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 12:38:24 No.50899092 Report

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>>50898788
>right so since I can eat things with the carbon atom in it, that means I can eat rock?
what do you think salt is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 12:53:24 No.50899140 Report

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Honestly the actual buff Rock needs is resisting itself. It's such a common coverage type that it would help give them a lot more defensive utility especially for the dual-types. Also Stealth Rocks resistance.

Other than that the only change that should even be considered is removing the Fighting weakness or even turning it into a resist. Rock was good back in Gens 1 and 2 (and to a lesser extent 3) specifically because there were practically no good Fighting moves around even though Water, Grass, and Ground were still very common. But gen 3 added Brick Break and Focus Punch which hurt their viability and Gen 4 just completely wiped them out with the introduction of Close Combat. Not only did this directly hurt Rock types but it also killed the viability of Normal types, and walling them was Rock's main niche.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 12:53:45 No.50899146 Report

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>>50899000
high enough pressure water can cut steel too, anything at high enough pressure will explode through anything

dumb cope again
seethe and dial 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 14:55:29 No.50899600 Report

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>>50896039
It's a starter type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Jul 2022 15:20:48 No.50899713 Report

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>>50896539
>Nerfing Dark even more
>Making Steel even more boring
Fuck you

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