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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:15:05 No.51153603 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>51153797 >>51153858 >>51153893 >>51153904 >>51154126 >>51154127

We're all in agreement that this is the worst mainline pokemon game, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:18:46 No.51153633 Report

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This and PLA are the only games I couldn't bear to finish. So, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:27:08 No.51153690 Report

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Not even close

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:35:15 No.51153746 Report

Quoted By: >>51153802 >>51153816 >>51154421

Worst is too far. Gen 5 was the start of the declining quality of the franchise but they were still acceptable. At least BW2 realized that their designs were shit and brought back the old mons instead of trying to be Gen 1 again but worse in every way.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:41:47 No.51153797 Report

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>>51153603
Yep. Objectively. Sales + official polls > bleating of a very vocal minority.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:42:03 No.51153802 Report

Quoted By: >>51153820 >>51153840 >>51153971

>>51153746
>gen 5 started bad times lol
Objectively false
Keep coping

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:43:18 No.51153816 Report

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>>51153746
This

Bw2 are also better than BW, so id say thr original BW were the worst followed by XY

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:43:54 No.51153820 Report

Quoted By: >>51153844

>>51153802
>tells others to stop coping
>posts huge list of cope because no one likes the shit game he started with
Wow sure showed me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:46:04 No.51153840 Report

Quoted By: >>51153881 >>51153897

>>51153802
Source on the harder AI?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:46:36 No.51153844 Report

Quoted By: >>51153971

>>51153820
>b-but no one likes it!
>b-but you just started with it
First game was Crystal a year after release. Favorite game isn’t even a Gen 5 game, but I recognize your mass hysteria is a fucking meme. You fucks are a vocal minority and everyone sees through your disingenuous bullshit. Seethe.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:47:42 No.51153858 Report

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>>51153603

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:49:53 No.51153880 Report

Quoted By: >>51153919

I have to agree with the other poster. BW and B2W2 are fine games, I can even understand how some people may view them as the peak.

But objectively speaking, BW started many of the trends that people complain about "nu-Pokémon" having.

Gens I - IV is Pokémon. Gens V - IX is nu-Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:50:14 No.51153881 Report

Quoted By: >>51153903

>>51153840
In pokemon code, AI goes by something called "skill level" that also goes from 1-100. the higher a trainer's skill level, the more reactive it will be to your actions, with trainers about a 75 even withdrawing pokemon if they need to. Obviously, they would do this more when they need to the higher the number.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:51:38 No.51153893 Report

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>>51153603
Worst? No. Incredibly overrated? Yes.

The worst is DPPt and BDSP. Literally nothing about those games makes them redeemable or worth revisiting. Everything they do is done better by another game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:51:59 No.51153897 Report

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>>51153840
I don't even like Gen 5 but the AI is harder. They made them less retarded than the Gen 4 AI who mostly just randomly chose moves. They now would always try to either debuff or hit you super effectively. The Gen 1 AI more or less had the same idea but Gen 5 made them not get stuck in Rest loops because it thought the Psychic type move would be super effective or spamming a status move because they have no normally effective move.

They also improved trainer's movepools so there weren't early game trainers who could only growl and bide and late game trainers still using water gun and tackle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:52:35 No.51153903 Report

Quoted By: >>51153958

>>51153881
Where can I see the AI levels of different games?

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:52:38 No.51153904 Report

Quoted By: >>51153940

>>51153603
Whoops! OP here, used the wrong image.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:53:53 No.51153919 Report

Quoted By: >>51153950

>>51153880
While I disagree, I see why you think that. Gen 6 and later started continuing flaws from before that MANY previous games had, except turning things that weren’t necessarily bad into actually bad things. It’s just that Gen 5 gets lumped in because now those features are consecutive since Gen 5, even though Gen 5 didn’t implement them wrong, and neither did the previous Gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:55:28 No.51153940 Report

Quoted By: >>51153956 >>51153960 >>51154018

>>51153904
>pitting fans of good games against one another to make your shitty zoomer games look better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:56:33 No.51153950 Report

Quoted By: >>51153994

>>51153919
Please tell us what features Gen 6+ implemented wrong that Gen 5 somehow implemented right. Because it sure as fuck wasn't trainer customization. Or berry farming. Or map design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:57:34 No.51153956 Report

Quoted By: >>51153988

>>51153940
Diamond and Pearl specifically are objectively shit though.

Like "uh gen _ ruined the series!" bullshit aside, there's no reason to go back to said 2 games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:57:37 No.51153958 Report

Quoted By: >>51153969

>>51153903
Are you asking for him to spoonfeed you the trainer data? If so just ask.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:57:43 No.51153960 Report

Quoted By: >>51154005

>>51153940
In what fucking world is DP good? Can you give a single reason to bother playing it over anything else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:58:47 No.51153969 Report

Quoted By: >>51154008

>>51153958
>Are you asking for him to actually substantiate his points instead of pulling things out of his ass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 21:58:50 No.51153971 Report

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>>51153802
Keep arresting
>>51153844
and Go to bed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:01:17 No.51153988 Report

Quoted By: >>51154026

>>51153956
Well you have no reason to go back to DP because Platinum exists and is just 100% better than them in every way. Just like there is essentially no reason to go back to RS when Emerald exists, RBG when Yellow and FRLG exist, GS when Crystal and HGSS exist. These are just better versions of those games.

The 3rd and 4th Gen remakes weren't enough of an improvement, and in some ways were a downgrade, so you are better of skipping those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:01:50 No.51153994 Report

Quoted By: >>51154002 >>51154027

>>51153950
Gen 5 did linearity without being shit because of it, while Gen 6 did.
Gen 5 did story without being shit because of it, while Gen 6 did.
Gen 5 did location design without being shit because of it, while Gen 6 did.
Gen 5 did legendaries without being shit because of it, while Gen 6 did.
Gen 5 did minigames and side features without being shit because of it, while Gen 6 did.
Gen 5 did less mons per type specialist without being easier because of it, while Gen 6 did. This is because of the improved ai canceling out this effect.
And yes, Gen 5 had the superior berry farming system.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:02:32 No.51154002 Report

Quoted By: >>51154024

>>51153994
>Gen 5 did linearity without being shit because of it, while Gen 6 did.
Stopped reading there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:02:34 No.51154005 Report

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>>51153960
Seriously. If you separate these from the superior Platinum, DP are shit:
>Slow as shit; battles become a chore.
>Two many HMs; somehow made a shitter version of flash.
>The above two combine to compound the issue.
>Dex selection is shit; boss fights suffer because of it.
>Not aesthetic pleasing; platinum had good map design where as DP had a gym puzzle with maths problems on slow lifts.
>Story is ass, begins the cookie cutter "use box art legendary to reset the world" plot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:02:53 No.51154008 Report

Quoted By: >>51154012 >>51155980

>>51153969
I mean I’d have to look through code and files. It’s just that I thought this internal system of difficulty was more or less common knowledge. Give me a moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:03:34 No.51154012 Report

Quoted By: >>51154036

>>51154008
>It’s just that I thought this internal system of difficulty was more or less common knowledge
all the unova gym leaders are incredibly easy to sweep before even seeing what the AI does so why would it be common knowledge? lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:03:59 No.51154018 Report

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>>51153940
That's pitting the worst games against the peak of the series (gen 5, in case your Sinnohfetus brain needs an explanation). Dilate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:05:15 No.51154024 Report

Quoted By: >>51154046

>>51154002
>doesn’t post Unova
Not only does Kalos’s linearity dumb the game down, the locational exploration is dead-none. Thanks for posting it’s complexity. Luckily Unova has tons of optional locations to explore.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:05:28 No.51154026 Report

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>>51153988
But DP isn't the same as say RS.
If you play RS over Emerald, you'll miss out on some content (arguably nice to not be pesterd by unavoidable pokenav calls in RS...) but DP is a much worse experience than Platinum that you can't have near the same experience with DP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:05:36 No.51154027 Report

Quoted By: >>51154040 >>51154041

>>51153994
>better berry farming

I dunno anon, I really liked the berry pots from hgss, it was nice to have portable berry trees with you on the go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:06:36 No.51154036 Report

Quoted By: >>51154052 >>51154063

>>51154012
>let me hide behind sweeping every game with an overleveled starter
I see you can’t handle discussing how a game can be harder than another since they’re all beatable with your bare fists on the cartridge just the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:07:02 No.51154040 Report

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>>51154027
HGSS really did have some nice QOL things like toggle on run and portable Berry pots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:07:38 No.51154041 Report

Quoted By: >>51154055

>>51154027
Yes, HGSS did it well, I just think Gen 5 did it better than Gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:08:18 No.51154046 Report

Quoted By: >>51154056

>>51154024
>Not only does Kalos’s linearity dumb the game down
you mean like Unnova's?

>the locational exploration is dead-none
you mean like Unova's?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:09:15 No.51154052 Report

Quoted By: >>51154075

>>51154036
>still no proof that gf programmed the air to be harder than gen 4
as expected of unovacucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:09:27 No.51154055 Report

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>>51154041
Oh I'm not shitting on your opinion I'm just confused when it comes to berry farming in gen 5

Heart scale farming in gen 5 was great since battle go by quicker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:09:30 No.51154056 Report

Quoted By: >>51154097

>>51154046
No, the games are different in those regards. Unova fleshed out branching paths you could explore within each section of the game. Kalos just relied on the 2013 3D meme to feel grand when it was literally just hallways, unlike in Unova.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:10:31 No.51154063 Report

Quoted By: >>51154078

>>51154036
>I see you can’t handle discussing how a game can be harder than another
No, I'm perfectly capable of discussing how USUM is harder than BW.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:12:22 No.51154075 Report

Quoted By: >>51154092 >>51155980

>>51154052
I already said give me a moment you fucking retard. Have an ounce of patience. It's almost like you think some manchild on this board is the priority of my time. It’s sifting through code we’re talking about, which is way more complicated than watching your favorite YouTuber spoon feed you narratives.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:13:23 No.51154078 Report

Quoted By: >>51154137

>>51154063
According to you they’re the same difficulty because I can sweep everything with my overleveled starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:15:09 No.51154087 Report

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Why is this thread still up?
Janny do your "job".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:16:01 No.51154092 Report

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>>51154075
>some manchild on this board is the priority of my time.
evidently it is as you dropped everything to respond. just like unovacucks drop everything to shill their disaster of a game and cry that kinnoh is better.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:16:34 No.51154097 Report

Quoted By: >>51154283

>>51154056
>No, the games are different in those regards
You know what? You're right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:20:05 No.51154126 Report

Quoted By: >>51154142

>>51153603
Just go back to discord we don’t care xD gen 5 is better get mad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:20:08 No.51154127 Report

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>>51153603
>We're all in agreement that this is the best mainline pokemon game, right?

Yeah, i agree with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:21:28 No.51154137 Report

Quoted By: >>51154556

>>51154078
>because I can sweep everything with my overleveled starter
In USUM you can't unless you grind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:22:10 No.51154142 Report

Quoted By: >>51154177

>>51154126
youtube comments are that way kid. at least you are still young and can grow up and recognize that kinnoh and hoenn are better than your unovacuck game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:22:30 No.51154147 Report

Quoted By: >>51154171 >>51154172

Sword and Shield are the worst and it isn't even up for debate. The games are barebone dry of content, the AI is awful even by Pokemon standards, the story is nonsensical and stretched thin, both human and Pokemon animations are embarrassingly bad, the region is barren and lifeless, graphically it's ugly as shit, the wild area gives the illusion of freedom while also holding you back every step of the way punishing you for trying to explore it, and it's pitifully short.

The only real flaws BW has is the ridiculous level up requirements for many of its Pokemon, and I think people like to act as if NPC didn't often drag you down each and every route. Yes previous games roadblocked you and directed you on where to go next but BW and B2W2 are where routes went from free areas to having story content and hand holding. There are very few routes in BW/B2W2 where some NPC doesn't stop you or make you do something extra that pushes you straight. Something that is rather rare in the previous four gens, typically limited to dungeon areas like caves or forests. But BW makes up for this by actually offering challenging battles, having loads of content, and being having a really good fleshed out story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:22:41 No.51154150 Report

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Nice bait anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:27:46 No.51154171 Report

Quoted By: >>51154198

>>51154147
>Sword and Shield are the worst and it isn't even up for debate
No, DPPt is worse. Sword and Shield has OW encounters, modern QoL, trainer customization, and ranked battles going for it.

>M-MUH CONTENT BUZZWORD
the game being padded out with random encounter hallways and shitty items locked behind HM backtracking doesn't make the game good.

>B-BUT THE STORY IS SHIT
Like every Pokemon game outside of Gen 7, yes.

>B-BUT THE AI IS SHIT!
Wow....good thing the game has ranked PvP to play then, unlike DPPt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:27:47 No.51154172 Report

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>>51154147
Oh and also BW makes up for it's handholding by giving you reason to explore many areas again later in the game with HMs. It's a well designed region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:28:40 No.51154177 Report

Quoted By: >>51154207

>>51154142
Discord

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:30:55 No.51154198 Report

Quoted By: >>51154266

>>51154171
>Sword and Shield has OW encounters, modern QoL, trainer customization, and ranked battles going for it.
Nothing you listed makes a game good. You're not worth debating or talking to because you can not argue in good faith. You have to turn reasonable criticism into an "I'M SILLY" strawman before addressing it. I hope you get help soon.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:31:49 No.51154207 Report

Quoted By: >>51154227 >>51154298

>>51154177
aww, jimmy is learning his first words. i wonder how long until he grows out of unovacuckoldry and moves onto better games. like platinum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:34:04 No.51154227 Report

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>>51154207
I’m not that anon but Gen 5 is just better, cope all you want and go back

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:38:35 No.51154266 Report

Quoted By: >>51154341

>>51154198
>Y-YOU DIDN'T AGREE WITH MY SHITTY POINTS? THAT MEANS YOU'RE USING BAD FAITH!
every time lmao

>You have to turn reasonable criticism into an "I'M SILLY" strawman
It's not a strawman though. It sounds like you're just assblasted that I made fun of your post lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:40:52 No.51154283 Report

Quoted By: >>51154290

>>51154097
>comparing a fridge to a cave

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:41:44 No.51154290 Report

Quoted By: >>51154308 >>51154310

>>51154283
man it sure is convenient that game freak put a fridge there so they wouldn't have to actually design a complex map.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:42:41 No.51154298 Report

Quoted By: >>51154322

>>51154207
>Platinum
>Good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:44:11 No.51154308 Report

Quoted By: >>51154325

>>51154290
>why is this cold storage warehouse smaller than a cave?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:44:21 No.51154310 Report

Quoted By:

>>51154290
BW has its fair share of caves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:45:54 No.51154322 Report

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>>51154298
Slut

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:45:57 No.51154325 Report

Quoted By: >>51154349 >>51154362 >>51154363

>>51154308
>why is this thing game freak put in the game to have an excuse to make a tiny map smaller than this thing game freak put in the game to have as an excuse to make a big map?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:48:21 No.51154341 Report

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>>51154266
You have once again changed my words and composure to make an argument. When you are no longer a child I will properly engage but until that day I'm done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:49:08 No.51154349 Report

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>>51154325
Did you also seethed when GF made Jasmine gym just a rectangle with rocks and no trainers? Not everything needs to be complex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:50:09 No.51154362 Report

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>>51154325
How about you compare a cave with another cave you fucking brainlet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:50:12 No.51154363 Report

Quoted By: >>51154383

>>51154325
This doesn't even make sense. The cold storage is there to give players something to do once they reach town, and the ice cave is an area that links two areas together. Learn to make a good faith argument and compare one of the actual caves to the Ice Cavern.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:52:44 No.51154383 Report

Quoted By: >>51154401

>>51154363
>The cold storage is there to give players something to do once they reach town,
You mean like how Frost Cavern is there to give the players something to do once they reach Dendemille Town? It sure is weird how the thing they gave players to do in BW is small but the thing they gave players to do in XY is big. It’s almost like there’s a difference in quality or something…

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:55:36 No.51154401 Report

Quoted By: >>51154413

>>51154383
>Something in the late game is bigger than something in the mid game
Ok?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:56:47 No.51154413 Report

Quoted By: >>51154491

>>51154401
>5th gym is mid game but 6th gym is late game
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:57:45 No.51154421 Report

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>>51153746
Gen 5 designs are generally good to great, get some taste

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 23:09:38 No.51154491 Report

Quoted By: >>51154499

>>51154413
Depends on the game, in BW by the time you reach the cold storage your team would be around level 30 while in XY you'd be around lv 40-50 when your reach frost cavern.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 23:10:44 No.51154499 Report

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>>51154491
XY’s final boss is nearly lv70 while BW’s final boss is mid 50s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 23:18:09 No.51154556 Report

Quoted By: >>51154563

>>51154137
Yes you can. Are you sick? Type matchups don’t mean anything when you simply overlevel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 23:19:00 No.51154563 Report

Quoted By: >>51154590

>>51154556
>Yes you can. Are you sick?
Please tell me how I beat Araquanid with my Torracat without grinding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 23:22:01 No.51154590 Report

Quoted By: >>51154602

>>51154563
Beat other trainers first. That’s not grinding.
That or don’t choose torracat. This identical logic is consistent with previous Pokémon games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Aug 2022 23:23:34 No.51154602 Report

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>>51154590
>Beat other trainers first
Ok, I did that. Now what?

>This identical logic is consistent with previous Pokémon games
I can beat Misty even if I pick Charmander. I can beat Bugsy even if I pick Chikorita. I can beat Gardenia even if I pick Piplup. I can beat Roxie even if I pick Snivy. So why isn't it the same with USUM?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Aug 2022 02:42:50 No.51155980 Report

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>>51154008
>>51154075
>still no proof
oh, so you were lying. not unexpected i suppose.

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