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>>51735481
Well its difficult now the games do feel largely balanced around it. Especially PLA which is more about collecting, where your party will likely completely switch fairly regularly to level up and fill out the dex. Plus there you still had to use everyone at least a bit to meet the dex requirements. In general the series seems to be going that way where you go out in the wild and try to find shit. Less an old school RPG with basic mostly linear progression.

Options are always good but it would likely just lead to a pretty bad level curve. So I'd rather they put work in to give optional difficulties.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 09:42:54 No.51735725 Report

Quoted By: >>51735741

>>51735666
Options Menu B.
You have the option to default all of those.
That said it would make more sense for the menu to be split into a "custom game settings" and "game configuration" menus, but the original creator didnt do that because they wanted to be disingenuous.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 09:46:59 No.51735741 Report

Quoted By: >>51735929 >>51737196

>>51735725
>You have the option to default all of those.
how do I know the default is the way the game is designed?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 09:47:46 No.51735744 Report

Quoted By: >>51737330

>>51735666
Well there are countless games out there with shitty options that take out all the fun out of them and invalidate ALL their core mechanics and no one complains.
As I understand it Nintendo fans and especially Pokemon fans aren't used to option menus though.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 09:52:27 No.51735758 Report

Quoted By: >>51735764 >>51736757 >>51737225

>>51735481
The exp share is still triggering people almost 10 years later? I get it, nostalgia, the games aren't growing up with you, but the fact the exp spread wasn't part of like, gen 3 onward like how literally every other JRPG still grands exp to members of a party not in battle is absurd. It was a flaw and the exp share was really only bad in X/Y. I have no idea how people get overleveled in something like Sw/Sh. Granted I don't use candies cause, well, I'm not retarded but I'm always at or slightly below the level curve. Leon is always 5 levels higher than me so Sw/Sh finally got the exp spread perfected and it's just fine in PLA.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 09:54:29 No.51735764 Report

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>>51735758
>Granted I don't use candies cause
Because you're a self-sabotaging idiot? There's no reason not to use them, going out of your way to not engage with parts of the game and then claiming the game is well design on that basis is lunacy.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 09:55:56 No.51735769 Report

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>>51735666
You do realise that Menu B is literally Sonic Frontiers, right?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 10:47:32 No.51735929 Report

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>>51735741
If the settings are 0,25x to 2x the default is 1x, retard, you absolute mongoloid

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 10:48:01 No.51735931 Report

Quoted By: >>51735944

>>51735929
You didn’t actually answer my question.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 10:50:57 No.51735944 Report

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>>51735931
>the default is 1x, retard, you absolute mongoloid
he's right

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 14:33:19 No.51736757 Report

Quoted By: >>51736821

>>51735758
>like every other JRPG
As said many, many times, Pokemon combat is not like other JRPGs. Please think about this issue more than just face value

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 14:43:17 No.51736821 Report

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>>51736757
Pokemon needs XP share MORE than other games because compared to other JRPGs even less of your active party is actually on the field at once than normal. Every kid in the 90s brute forced the game with a single Pokemon because that's what the game design encourages you to do, it was objectively bad balance and people's issues with it revolve around shit like "overleveling" which is unrelated to xp share.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:02:07 No.51736945 Report

Quoted By: >>51737302

>>51735666
>design around permanent EXP share
>still end up 10 levels above everything without grinding

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:43:36 No.51737196 Report

Quoted By: >>51737318

>>51735741
I'm going to assume the game devs are not fucking retards and that whatever is the default is what the game is designed around.
XY failed exactly in this regard because EXP. Share was turned on by default, when the games were not built around it.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:47:34 No.51737225 Report

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>>51735758
>I have no idea how people get overleveled in something like Sw/Sh.
I have no idea how they don't. I've played the games by only catching the team of 6 and then doing all trainers ever since Gen 7 came out, including a lot of the older titles, and for SwSh, even this is a struggle to not be overleveled.
This is a large part of why I found no enjoyment in the games. Even this style that's tailored to keep you underleveled for an arbitrary challenge fails.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:50:49 No.51737249 Report

Quoted By: >>51737255

everything bad about exp share is a direct result of another terribly designed mechanic
exp share is not the problem, the fundamental design of pokemon is

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:51:25 No.51737255 Report

Quoted By: >>51737263 >>51737268 >>51737285

>>51737249
Not being able to freely disable it is the problem. Removing options is ALWAYS bad.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:52:23 No.51737263 Report

Quoted By: >>51737284

>>51737255
I would rather them just balance around xp share instead of keeping the pointless xp toggle so people can screech "you didn't beat the game"

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:53:10 No.51737268 Report

Quoted By: >>51737284

>>51737255
no, it is not the problem
it is unfortunate, but disabling it would not remedy the existence of those bad mechanics existing in the first place

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:56:11 No.51737284 Report

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>>51737263
I would rather them just make it a menu toggle so I don't have to download a mod every time a new game releases.
>>51737268
>but disabling it would not remedy the existence of those bad mechanics existing in the first place
Maybe not, but it is following the path of least resistance. It's been a decade of exp all games, and they still haven't figured out how to balance them properly.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:56:16 No.51737285 Report

Quoted By: >>51737292

>>51737255
>Removing options is ALWAYS bad.
Anyone who says this has no idea how game design works.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:57:14 No.51737292 Report

Quoted By: >>51737318

>>51737285
How many games have you designed?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:58:15 No.51737302 Report

Quoted By: >>51737326 >>51741094

>>51736945
>design around no EXP share
>still end up 10 levels above everything without grinding
holy shit! Turns out adding a toggle doesn’t actually fix anything!

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 15:59:50 No.51737316 Report

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Zero? Thought so.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:00:24 No.51737318 Report

Quoted By: >>51737320 >>51737325

>>51737292
1>>51737196
>I'm going to assume the game devs are not fucking retards
The fact that they put things that affect game balance in an options menu instead of being sure about their own mechanics already indicates that they’re retarded. So why would I trust the default settings?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:00:56 No.51737320 Report

Quoted By: >>51737339

>>51737318
Post it. Let's see how good of a designer you are.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:02:19 No.51737325 Report

Quoted By: >>51737359

>>51737318
>The fact that they put things that affect game balance in an options menu instead of being sure about their own mechanics already indicates that they’re retarded.
Okay, then choose the options you want. Why are you so obsessed with playing the "right" way?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:02:23 No.51737326 Report

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>>51737302
People just want to use 6 Pokemon to handicap themselves they don't give a damn about the balance. Truth is it is intended for you to be higher level than pretty much all NPCs.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:02:46 No.51737327 Report

Quoted By: >>51737359

Perhaps Pokemon fans do deserve the convenyor belt of slop they're getting

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:03:32 No.51737330 Report

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>>51735744
You're retarded and have never played competitively.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:06:18 No.51737339 Report

Quoted By: >>51737340 >>51738046

>>51737320
>p-post it so I can just mindlessly say it’s shit and pretend I have an argument
nah

Go ahead though, post in a Yu-Gi-Oh forum that it’s bad that they removed the option to play Painful Choice, I’m sure everyone there will rightfully laugh at you.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:07:06 No.51737340 Report

Quoted By: >>51737362

>>51737339
So you haven't actually made anything? Typical.
That, or you know it's shit and you're afraid of posting it because other anons might confirm your own fears. If you were proud of it, you wouldn't care.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:12:08 No.51737359 Report

Quoted By: >>51737365 >>51738121

>>51737325
>Okay, then choose the options you want
How do I know what options I want when I don’t know which the game is best designed around?

> Why are you so obsessed with playing the "right" way?
…Do you understand how games work? Every single game that ever exists forces people to play in some “right” way, otherwise by definition it wouldn’t even be a game.

>>51737327
Yeah, because they’re praising stagnant poorly designed shit like Platinum and BW2 as the best games in the series while being completely ignorant of better designed games.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:13:09 No.51737362 Report

Quoted By: >>51737376

>>51737340
So you haven't actually made an argument? Typical.
That, or you know it's shit and you're afraid of posting it because other anons might confirm your own fears. If you were proud of it, you wouldn't care.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:13:38 No.51737365 Report

Quoted By: >>51737387

>>51737359
>How do I know what options I want
By not being a retard. It's Pokemon, they're not complicated games.
>Every single game that ever exists forces people to play in some “right” way
Developer intent is meaningless 100% of the time. Make your own fun.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:14:48 No.51737376 Report

Quoted By: >>51737391

>>51737362
>he still hasn't posted his game
You repeating my posts just makes it even more obvious that it doesn't exist.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:16:42 No.51737387 Report

Quoted By: >>51737395

>>51737365
Not him but developer intent isn't meaningless, the game would be worse if there was a toggle that gave you x10 xp. Games with action replay built in are lame.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:17:24 No.51737391 Report

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>>51737376
>he still hasn't posted his argument
You repeating your posts just makes it even more obvious that it doesn't exist.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:18:13 No.51737395 Report

Quoted By: >>51737416

>>51737387
>the game would be worse if there was a toggle that gave you x10 xp
You're right. I hope Gamefreak never does something that silly.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:21:12 No.51737416 Report

Quoted By: >>51737425

>>51737395
The fundamental problem with trying to talk about xp share with you people is you think all the games are supposed to have the same "baseline" exp curve and any deviation from that is under or over powered. An in game item to boost xp is not the same as an option toggle.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:21:15 No.51737417 Report

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>>51735656
I did it in SwoShi enjoyed it a lot more, went to gyms with around same level mons and the same amount or less than total than gym leaders. Sadly this was 1 year later than launch, so no point in replaying.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:22:56 No.51737425 Report

Quoted By: >>51737434

>>51737416
>An in game item to boost xp is not the same as an option toggle.
You're right. It's much, much worse than a toggle. Because it's forced upon you, and can't be removed at all. It does nothing but ruin the main game if you even attempt to play the DLC before postgame.
The beauty of a toggle is that you can just turn it off. You're not at the mercy of the developer.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:23:49 No.51737431 Report

Quoted By: >>51737432 >>51738941

>people still complaining about forced exp share
Just switch your team up and use more pokemon. That's why they did it in the first place, so you'd actually engage with the game's primary content (collecting and battling monsters) instead of just using the same 6 the entire game.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:24:17 No.51737432 Report

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>>51737431

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:24:54 No.51737434 Report

Quoted By: >>51737438

>>51737425
>get toggle
>doesn’t fix anything
why should I care again?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 16:25:24 No.51737438 Report

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>>51737434
Fixes it for me. If you're too stupid to curate your own set of preferred options, that's on you.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 17:30:40 No.51737790 Report

Quoted By: >>51738033

>>51735481
>optional EXP share would make Los Angeles a 100x worse games
who would write this?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 18:05:58 No.51738033 Report

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>>51737790
It means Louisiana, you faggot.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 18:07:35 No.51738046 Report

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>>51737339
>Go ahead though, post in a Yu-Gi-Oh forum that it’s bad that they removed the option to play Painful Choice, I’m sure everyone there will rightfully laugh at you.
Competitive aspects of a game are quite a separate thing though.
I can, in fact, play Painful Choice right now if I so wish. Not competitively, but that wasn't the argument.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 18:18:14 No.51738111 Report

Quoted By: >>51738132

>>51735481
>options make games worse
now that is some serious bootlicking

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 18:20:12 No.51738121 Report

Quoted By: >>51738143

>>51737359
>Every single game that ever exists forces people to play in some “right” way
bad games have a right way to play. good games give players tools and lets them play how they please.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 18:23:08 No.51738132 Report

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>>51738111
So you agree the game would be better if every Pokemon could learn every move, right? After all, it's more options.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 18:24:09 No.51738143 Report

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>>51738121
What games do you think are good?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 20:02:07 No.51738941 Report

Quoted By: >>51740695

>>51737431
But I enjoy the experience of battling with my Pokemon to earn EXP.
If I just wanted my Pokemon to get EXP without them doing anything I'd put them in the day care.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 23:56:11 No.51740674 Report

Quoted By: >>51740700

So all the shills in this thread...
What was wrong with having toggle able EXP share like Gen 6-7? Compared to being FORCED to always having it on?

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 23:58:56 No.51740695 Report

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>>51738941
>But I enjoy the experience of battling with my Pokemon to earn EXP.
You can still do that.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Oct 2022 23:59:58 No.51740700 Report

Quoted By: >>51740715

>>51740674
>What was wrong with having toggle able EXP share like Gen 6-7?
>>51735666

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 00:03:01 No.51740715 Report

Quoted By: >>51740720

>>51740700
And here's a very easy solution a fucking warning prompt before the game allows you to turn it off:
"WARNING! Turning off EXP. Share may lead to an imbalanced experience.
"Do you wish to continue?"
"Yes"
"No"
Wow so fucking hard, even a toddler could understand that sort of prompt.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 00:03:30 No.51740720 Report

Quoted By: >>51740722 >>51741032

>>51740715
why would you put an option that's imbalanced into the game willingly? that's fucking retarded.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 00:04:17 No.51740722 Report

Quoted By: >>51740783

>>51740720
Because there's a precedent already.
Tthere are already 2 gens that had this toggle and there was VERY LITTLE issue?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 00:10:17 No.51740776 Report

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>>51735481
Uh, some random retarded friend of yours that you felt like screenshotting, I guess?

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 00:11:11 No.51740783 Report

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>>51740722
There being precedent for a retarded thing being in the game doesn't mean you should keep putting retarded thing in the game.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 00:45:18 No.51741032 Report

Quoted By: >>51741059

>>51740720
They're called difficulty options. Anyone with two brain cells can understand that the game will be "imbalanced" if set to hard or easy, yet people still choose those options anyway.

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Anonymous Mon 24 Oct 2022 00:49:20 No.51741059 Report

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>>51741032
>They're called difficulty options
Difficulty options are balanced.

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>>51737302
How the fuck am I supposed to know what Raymond will do?

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