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Compfag thread

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:25:19 No.52154987 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52155027 >>52155049 >>52155686 >>52155724 >>52156992 >>52157514 >>52157664

ALL GEN 9 MOVESET (2 links for 2 halves of the dex, Updated to the 1.0.1. Patch) :
https://pastebin.com/VbP2Md04
https://pastebin.com/pghsfRYm

Move list:
Flinch rate, stat changes, recoil and heal info added
https://pastebin.com/vvi0wcFZ

Ability list:
https://pastebin.com/B6USap12

Egg groups:
https://pastebin.com/ENYtUbNW

>knock off
>135bp sacred sword
>110bp water move with 50% chance of lowering defence
>90bp flying move that never misses
>sucker punch, aqua jet, drill run, SD, etc.
>100bp dark move with spike
>outspeeds pult with scarf
He'll be at least B- tier in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:28:05 No.52155027 Report

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>>52154987
Tinkatroons... They're laughing at us again...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:29:39 No.52155049 Report

Quoted By: >>52155066 >>52155138

>>52154987
Omg do u have to post same samurott post everyday???

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:30:52 No.52155066 Report

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>>52155049
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:36:17 No.52155138 Report

Quoted By: >>52155211

>>52155049
I started these SC colpfag threads, anon. Why should I stop now that I learn that my 2 bros are gonna be OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:37:48 No.52155154 Report

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Anyone have a showdown server with new mons yet? This calc is the only resource I've seen that uses them
https://pokesports.org/pages/damage-calculator

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:38:47 No.52155166 Report

Quoted By: >>52155206 >>52155690 >>52156423 >>52156759

More VGC talk please. Give me ideas. Especially TR. I just never fuck with Weather for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:41:25 No.52155206 Report

Quoted By: >>52155248

>>52155166
Shouldn't Skeledirge be really good in 2v2 trick room?
Especially if your opponent sets up sun for paradox mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:41:33 No.52155211 Report

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>>52155138
Compfag threads are fine and nice. But the repeatedly spamming about samurott and his skills on 4chan is getting annoyingly repetitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:44:18 No.52155248 Report

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>>52155206
True. Pairing it with Hatterene and Spiritomb. I kind of like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:44:23 No.52155251 Report

Quoted By: >>52155297 >>52155330 >>52155349 >>52155356 >>52155694

Been talked about already but I haven't seen much set building on it personally-- Cyclizar looks pretty damn good.

I'm thinking a set like this:

Cyclizar @ Heavy Duty Boots
Adamant
4HP 252 Atk 252 Spd
-Body Slam
-Knock Off
-Taunt/Rapid Spin
-Shed Tail

You've got decent STAB to fish for para, KO for typical KO progress, Rapid Spin if you need hazards support or Taunt to make openings for Shed tail.

HP EVs may change depending on how Shed Tail HP interacts with HP drops (though unlikely).

Any suggestions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:46:42 No.52155288 Report

Quoted By: >>52155303 >>52155404 >>52155455 >>52155634 >>52156351 >>52156422

Which group is more delusional, H samurott fags or tinkafags?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:47:11 No.52155297 Report

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>>52155251
And immune to broken ghost moves.
He'll be on everyone's team.
There's so much broken mons this gen that it's hard to focus on all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:47:40 No.52155303 Report

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>>52155288
>tinkafags
These by far. Unless Samurottfags aren't theorymoning for ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:49:03 No.52155315 Report

Quoted By: >>52156005

Tell me more about Houndstone. Does he really get both sand rush and a signature move that does an extra 50 BP for every fainted ally? He sounds hilarious, but too niche to actually be busted, like belly drum Linoone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:49:58 No.52155330 Report

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>>52155251
Yeah I really like this. Especially to pivot in Doubles. Hilarious mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:50:31 No.52155340 Report

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Thoughts on electric terrain pincurchin + trick room rabsca + boxing gloves ironhands?
Doubles obviously
>lead ironhands + rabsca
>fake out + trick room
>switch rabsca with pincurchin and rape opposing team
Simple but effective. How much do boxing gloves boost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:50:56 No.52155349 Report

Quoted By: >>52155421

>>52155251
What are you doing with that attack investment, seems like a waste of that speed tier in a gen with so many fast mons.
Cyclizar @ Choice Scarf / Heavy Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 236 HP / 20 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shed Tail
- Draco Meteor
- Knock Off
- Rapid Spin
Boots is overall better with how many hazard setters there are now but scarf meteor yeets pult and gets subs up on a couple more mons so its going to depend on your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:51:05 No.52155351 Report

Quoted By: >>52155741

Which slowking is better for chilling reception? I’m leaning Galarian because it gets toxic and I can still run Palafin since the team switches so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:51:39 No.52155356 Report

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>>52155251
I'm inclined to say less atk investment especially if 50 affects the substitute hp

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:54:58 No.52155404 Report

Quoted By: >>52155484

>>52155288
How is Samurott bringing B- level of value to the OU meta is delusional?
Also keep insisting that Tinkaton sucks, maybe it will become true for an hour.

Easiest way to filter low elo shitters that never went above 1600 to other anons is their opinion on Tinkaton.
If you think that 94 speed FAIRY STEEL with SD, knock off, 160bp steel move, playrough and much more will suck in a meta with Shed Tail, you're in the weong side of history, bud.
Same shitters who thought SM A Marowak wasn't gonna be good. Ie brainlets that can't see the bigger picture and never learn despite being laughed at at the start of every single new meta.
I'll be screencapping every Tinkaton non believer reply. See you in a month.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:56:12 No.52155421 Report

Quoted By: >>52155462

>>52155349
My thoughts are that with those 2 attacks you hit enough things neutrally, and also both have useful secondary effects, so teching into some offense may prove useful in softening opposing key targets in addition to its main Shed Tail niche.

That being said, you're probably right, most things settle with max Spd Investment, so a +Spd nature is more useful.

>EVs: 236 HP / 20 SpA / 252 Spe

I assume this is to split Shed Tail subs, but do we know this will work that way?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:58:39 No.52155455 Report

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>>52155288
Well you got your answer, they're the same person.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:59:12 No.52155462 Report

Quoted By: >>52155527

>>52155421
Nothing seems to indicate it's any different that substitute so fatter subs are better, 20 SpA gets the KO on pult.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 15:59:56 No.52155474 Report

Quoted By: >>52155480 >>52155531 >>52155565

Are we excited about Gholdengo being the number 1 most used mon in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:00:31 No.52155480 Report

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>>52155474
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:00:43 No.52155484 Report

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>>52155404
the new mimikyu

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:03:50 No.52155527 Report

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>>52155462
IIRC in the initial trailer, it rounded the HP up, and it'd only be able to get a 2nd Shed Tail via HP regen from Regenerator. I don't have the game though, so you may know something I don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:04:17 No.52155531 Report

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>>52155474
it wont be but i wish it would be

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:04:45 No.52155539 Report

Quoted By: >>52155623

Is it true my boy jumpluff has been buffed

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:04:51 No.52155540 Report

Quoted By: >>52155581 >>52155778 >>52158204

Expectations on Meowscarada?
If the Home move reset holds true, Meowscarada will replace Weavile as the fastest Knock Off spammer, with STAB and a decent attack to boot. It doesn't even need Protean, though I don't see how Overgrow could be better.
Flower Trick, Knock Off and Play Rough cover just about everything and it has other niche options like Thunderpunch, Trailblaze, Low Kick/Brick Break and Spikes/Toxic Spikes.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:05:09 No.52155548 Report

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>0 SpA Skeledirge Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Quaquaval: 118-139 (37.9 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>252 Atk Quaquaval Aqua Step vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skeledirge: 180-212 (43.6 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Quaquaval Wave Crash (20.7-24.6% recoil) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skeledirge: 196-232 (47.5 - 56.3%) -- 27.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252 Atk Meowscara Night Slash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skeledirge: 150-176 (36.4 - 42.7%) -- 95.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252 Atk Meowscara Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skeledirge: 204-242 (49.5 - 58.7%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO
>252 Atk Meowscara Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skeledirge: 138-164 (33.4 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>0 SpA Skeledirge Torch Song vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Meowscara: 126-148 (43 - 50.5%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO
>+1 0 SpA Skeledirge Torch Song vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Meowscara: 186-220 (63.4 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

CHECK THE CALCS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:06:56 No.52155565 Report

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>>52155474
>radical 90s mon hard-countered by minecraft

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:08:48 No.52155581 Report

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>>52155540
it's not viable but overgrow grass tera band flower trick would do funny damage

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:08:52 No.52155583 Report

Quoted By: >>52155623 >>52155635 >>52155641 >>52155664 >>52155736

Is she good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:11:44 No.52155621 Report

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they can't just not give h-samurott shell smash
fix your fucking game GF

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:11:57 No.52155623 Report

Quoted By: >>52155647

>>52155583
In RU

>>52155539
It got a few new moves like dazzling gleam and tailwind but nothing impactful

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:12:40 No.52155634 Report

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>>52155288
OU might be aiming a bit too high but Samurottfags can gloat about the upgrades a bit, even if it just applies to the Hisuian form. Admittedly I want it to be good as well. Tinkfags, I'm not seeing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:12:51 No.52155635 Report

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>>52155583
>Is Tinkaton viable?
NO!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:13:18 No.52155641 Report

Quoted By:

>>52155583
run specs draco storm drain and dab on 1100 palafin users

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:13:54 No.52155647 Report

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>>52155623
I forgot pollen puff heals allies. That's a new move that could be useful in VGC with tailwind

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:15:21 No.52155664 Report

Quoted By: >>52155736

>>52155583
Give him an actual answer in the comp thread atleast.
The sushi is a doubles gimmick mon, sending dondonzo alongside him results in him eating it and doubling his stats. Don has great stats and unaware.
The fish is spat out after don dies.
He's looking to be a good doubles gimmickmon, although predictable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:17:07 No.52155686 Report

Quoted By: >>52155728 >>52156598

>>52154987
>scarf set
Use kleavor
>swords dance set
Lol. UU mons only kind of suck these days. Enjoy UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:17:21 No.52155690 Report

Quoted By: >>52155729 >>52155769

>>52155166
Everyone's talking about slush rush cetitan, but his speed is middling enough that you could probably run a sheer force trick room set. You could even fake snow by running Slowking as your TR setter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:17:56 No.52155694 Report

Quoted By: >>52155715

>>52155251
does shed tail use cyclizar hp for the sub or the entering mon?
this thing with regenerator can pretty much let every mon switch-in safely without any real drawback

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:19:24 No.52155715 Report

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>>52155694
It's own. Which, yeah, the move alone is insane, but it's also tied to a mon with solid stats and a very useable movepool. I'm sure you'll see this paired with every setup sweeper under the sun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:20:14 No.52155724 Report

Quoted By: >>52155746 >>52155782

>>52154987
>Glimmora has 130 SpA, gets Energy Ball, Earth Power, Dazzling Gleam, Flash Cannon
>STAB Power Gem, Sludge Wave, Sludge Bomb (for VGC)
>Toxic Debris allows it to actually consistently use Venoshock
>Rock Polish

Honestly just doing calcs now, its kinda crazy how powerful this is when you realize Glimmora benefits INSANELY from Terastal, this fucker is going to be crazy in VGC too if you can get Toxic Spikes + Rock Polish off turn one and keep your HP at a reasonable amount, you can sweep really fucking hard. Definitely won't last once legendaries are in Tera Water Kyogre, but it'll be fun for a while

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:20:31 No.52155728 Report

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>>52155686
Spammable spikes is far more valuable than SR especially in a meta where all fire-bug-flying mons have boots anyways.
And the opponent can't do anything about it cause they have to take the hit and the spikes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:20:38 No.52155729 Report

Quoted By: >>52155769 >>52155859 >>52156592

>>52155690
>>52155690
Cetitan has 73 base speed. That is way too fast for Trick Room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:20:55 No.52155736 Report

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>>52155583
good special attack, further boosted by storm drain
the rest of its stats are meh, may be able to pull some neat ko with scarf, but it's definitively a gimmickmon for doubles, as >>52155664 said

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:21:25 No.52155741 Report

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>>52155351
It's a moot point until home support is added, isn't it? That aside it probably depends on your team, though water tends to be a better defensive type and shores up ice's weaknesses to fire and steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:22:03 No.52155746 Report

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>>52155724
How much speed?
Could be incredibly annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:22:22 No.52155750 Report

Quoted By: >>52155785 >>52155885

The KINGambit boost has been confirmed to be
>1.2x for the first downed mon
>+0.1 for every other
So its an invisible boost that caps at 1.6 which means unaware or haze can't counter it.
After only 2 deaths it matches the top tier abilities like Adaptability and Tough claws.

Excellent and not broken. In doubles he will still use Defiant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:23:26 No.52155769 Report

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>>52155729
>>52155690
Is it? Not against some teams. Especially these Tailwind mons. You might be right, but you can always adjust that from team to team in VGC, making sure you bring Hatterene/Eelektross/Ting-Liu etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:24:12 No.52155778 Report

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>>52155540
I like how this thing outspeeds Greninja by exactly one base speed point. And has a higher attacking stat. And even stole some of his niches, like being able to set Spikes, plus Toxic Spikes for good measure.

Subtle, Game Freak, very subtle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:24:36 No.52155782 Report

Quoted By: >>52156519

>>52155724
I can see this thing going in every team, especially for the free toxic spikes, but at the same time if everyone brings this thing you'll also have someone that cleans those spikes
86 in speed also put it in an awkward speed tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:24:45 No.52155785 Report

Quoted By: >>52155795 >>52155816

>>52155750
Aren't adaptability and tough claws 1.5? That should be 4 deaths

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:25:07 No.52155790 Report

Quoted By: >>52155820 >>52155873

Been looking at Ceruledge and while I'm sure it's condemned to RU, I think rather than slapping a scarf on it and calling it a day there's another decent option.

Ceruledge @ Life Orb/Charcoal
Flash Fire
Adamant/Jolly
Tera Type Fire
Bitter Blade
Flame Charge
Shadow Sneak/Close Combat
Swords Dance

Providing Tera doesn't get banned, a fire Tera makes Flame Charge. Bitter Blade also has 90 power, making it much better than its brothers Giga Drain and Drain Punch and honestly making it a better choice over Flare Blitz on this mon. Ceruledge has a modest 75/80/100 bulk so I'm pretty confident this can be pulled off for a decent sweep in lower tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:25:28 No.52155795 Report

Quoted By: >>52155835

>>52155785
Adaptability is 1.33, Tough claws is 1.3

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:26:58 No.52155816 Report

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>>52155785
Adaptability is 1.5, Tough Claws is 1.2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:27:12 No.52155820 Report

Quoted By: >>52155839

>>52155790
>Providing Tera doesn't get banned
I can already see people complain that it's hard to predict, allows your mon to hold a free item and the same type boost is too broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:28:01 No.52155835 Report

Quoted By: >>52155852

>>52155795
>Adaptability is 1.33
Except that's wrong you fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:28:32 No.52155839 Report

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>>52155820
and those people usually have 1200 elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:28:56 No.52155846 Report

Quoted By: >>52155853 >>52156030

Great Tusk @ Assault Vest
Adamant
252 HP 252 Atk 4 Spe

-Close Combat
-Headlong Rush
-Knock Off
-Rapid Spin

The strongest spinner of this generation, my bro Great Tusk. Not only it, but 2 powerful stabs and 2 great moves for versatility He's bulk too and because that you can invest in HP to revenge kill the opposing frail offensive monsters while you stay alive.

And if you are worried about the status reduction, you can always use the good and old EQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:29:13 No.52155852 Report

Quoted By: >>52155899

>>52155835
Easy on the language underagebro.
Adaptability is a 1.5 boost for STAB moves, so your STAB goes from 1.5->2
2/1.5 is an effectively 1.33x boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:29:25 No.52155853 Report

Quoted By: >>52156002

>>52155846
you want speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:29:37 No.52155859 Report

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>>52155729
There's been faster, Palkia was one of the premier trick room mons last VGC, and it has 100 base speed. Sure that's because it's a restricted, but the bottom line is every good team in VGC has some form of speed control, so even if 73 is high for trick room it doesn't matter if the enemy's is higher, which they'll want it to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:30:57 No.52155873 Report

Quoted By: >>52155937 >>52156156 >>52156703 >>52156750

>>52155790
A fucking sin that this dude didnt either have base 100 speed or the new Sharpness ability. Fucking Gamefreak...

.. at least it's not total shitmon status, and has some usability outside of OU. They were kinda enough to not cuck it out of Shadow Sneak last second.

90 base power for Bitter Blade is good though, considering the heal effect. Might be able to see an AV set for this guy, as the type combo has a good set of resistances. Dont suppose it gets Poison Jab or Iron Head for Fairies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:31:34 No.52155885 Report

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>>52155750
>Tough Claws Bisharp is real
Just like in my Almost Any Ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:32:32 No.52155899 Report

Quoted By: >>52155935 >>52155961

>>52155852
>UHM ACKCHUALLY
Or you could quit being a pedantic fuck. It's double STAB, stop pretending you're some genius because you can do basic math. Literally everyone says it's 1.5 because that's what it literally is additively.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:33:39 No.52155917 Report

Quoted By: >>52156017 >>52156070 >>52156139

let's talk about vgc:
>pincurchin is gonna be viable?
>for setting snow/hail there abomasnow with his ability and slowking with chillyreception, who is better?
>is sun really that strong?
>noone is talking about rain team, how is gonna be?
>any new good mons for setting trickroom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:34:45 No.52155935 Report

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>>52155899
>Anon makes a claim
>"YOURE WRONG IDIOT"
>Anon proves the claim
>"S-stop being so pedantic, baka.."

Just kiss already, you fucking tsundere

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:34:49 No.52155937 Report

Quoted By: >>52155986

>>52155873
>Dont suppose it gets Poison Jab or Iron Head for Fairies?
It gets both, actually. Ceruledge has 100 SpD too so an assault vest is viable enough. Wish it had U-Turn or something to round that moveset off but I suppose beggars can't be choosers.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:36:44 No.52155961 Report

Quoted By: >>52155967 >>52156000

>>52155899
>stop pretending you're some genius
Clearly, compared to (You), he is. It's not a additive boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:37:17 No.52155967 Report

Quoted By: >>52156000 >>52156127

>>52155961
>It's not a additive boost.
NTA but it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:38:29 No.52155986 Report

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>>52155937
Ah, nice, okay.

So off the top of my head, something like
-Bitter Blade
-Shadow Sneak
-Flare blitz/CC
-Iron Head/Poison Jab/CC

Hazards definitely pose a problem when going Flare Blitz, but Fire's also a really nice STAB so its worthwhile.

I can also see it running Scarf sets nicely in addition to your first set. Whether it does these things better than other users is definitely a question, but at least its got things it can comfortably do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:39:16 No.52156000 Report

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>>52155961
>>52155967
Ladies, you're both beautiful and heckin valid but this thread is for people who have played the game before

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:39:31 No.52156002 Report

Quoted By: >>52156044

>>52155853
Speed isn't a problem if you can't kill it in one hit without setup. Also, he's only 1, we'll have faster pokemons in our team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:39:38 No.52156005 Report

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>>52155315
Only reaches 300bp in 6v6 fanfic meta

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:40:08 No.52156014 Report

Quoted By: >>52156035 >>52156038 >>52156045 >>52156062

i'm so fucking mindbroken.
>G-GIVE IT TO ME STRAIGHT BROS IS MY *SNIFFFFFFF* TYRONE STOP FUCKING MY WIFE SO LOUD. I NEED TO KNOW IF MY SHOULDERMON IS OU!
AHEM SORRY MY DEAR COMP ANONS. GIVE IT TO ME S-STRAIGHT PUHLEASE!! I-IS MY BROMON GOOD? IS IT VIABLE? PLEASE TELL ME!! WAAAAAAAAAH *WHINES AND PISSES ON THE FLOOR THEN SHITS* TYRONEEEEEE CHANGE MY DIAPY-WIAPYYYYYYY

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:40:25 No.52156017 Report

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>>52155917
I think slowking is better overall. It's typing is so much better that even though you need to take a turn I think it's worth it. The only caveat is it's weak to solar beam from sun teams turn 1, abomasnow is still much worse there.
Abomasnow's saving grace is Aurora Veil. It's viability will probably be meta-dependant, If I'm seeing Torkoal every other game, I probably don't want it on my team at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:41:47 No.52156030 Report

Quoted By: >>52156092

>>52155846
Great Tusk @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
OR
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Headlong Rush
- Close Combat / Body Press
- Rapid Spin
- Knock Off / Ice Spinner / Protect / Stealth Rocks
Dude looks versatile as hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:42:01 No.52156035 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156014
>steel type
>setup potential
>ONE HUNDRED FIFTEEN base speed
>165 bp move
This is an OU pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:42:10 No.52156038 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156014
>Shit on a plate (165 bp)

lmao

But also, meds anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:42:32 No.52156044 Report

Quoted By: >>52156092

>>52156002
i know you still want some speed on a spinner at great tusk's speedtier

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:42:34 No.52156045 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156014

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:43:30 No.52156062 Report

Quoted By: >>52156102

>>52156014
Does Cum Shot set hazards? This is important

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:44:21 No.52156070 Report

Quoted By:

>>52155917
>No one is talking about rain
90% of the first few days people spent jerking of Kilowattrel, and for good reason. Barraskewda is still in the game, and Basculegion once home support is added. Rain is looking really strong, the only caveat is since it looks like sun will mainly be relying on paradox mons and not fire and grass types rain isn't as crippling for sun teams as before,

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:46:39 No.52156092 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156030
He sure is!

>>52156044
That's true, then let's roll at jolly 252 Spe like the other anon said.

Also on VGC i see a light in the end of tunnel because he can go out with torkoal setting the sun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:46:41 No.52156093 Report

Quoted By: >>52156121 >>52156363

Assemble the 6 most broken mons team to shit up OU on day 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:47:41 No.52156102 Report

Quoted By: >>52156162

>>52156062
It gives the targeted mon your ability, like it's an STD.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:48:13 No.52156112 Report

Quoted By: >>52156224 >>52156241 >>52156525

>Great Steel/Poison defensive typing
>Filter on top of that
>80/90/67 bulk makes it able to withstand physical attacks well enough
>119 attack and a solid 90 speed tier
>Shift Gear to enable sweeping
>Gets Parting Shot for momentum, Gunk Shot & Iron Head/Heavy Slam (I don't know the weight) for STAB
>Coverage is a slight issue, but while Bulldoze is weak as fuck you could slap it in over Parting Shot if you didn't want the momentum for whatever reason
This guy is actually pretty fucking cool. He'll be a solid sweeper in low tiers for sure. Weird that it gets Parting Shot over U-Turn considering it's a fucking car but hey what can you do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:48:54 No.52156121 Report

Quoted By: >>52156165

>>52156093
Cyclizar
Roaring Moon
Flutter Mane
Torkoal
Scizor
Dragapult

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:49:27 No.52156127 Report

Quoted By: >>52156161

>>52155967
Nope. Adaptability outright replaces the normal STAB boost with a greater one(x2 instead of x1.5), which is mathematically equivalent to multiplying the standard bonus by 1.333333. If it was multiplied by 1.5 a 80 BP move with Adaptability would be 180 base power and not 160.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:50:24 No.52156139 Report

Quoted By:

>>52155917
As for trick room, it got some cool new setters. Firagiraf is immune to fake out and prankster taunt, Scream Tail will be mandatory for TR/Sun teams, and Rabsca gets it and the new revive move. Toadscruel gets it too, but I honestly have no idea what to think of it yet. A bunch of faster mons like Iron Valiant, Meowscarda and Armarogue (well, faster than your average trick room user) get it too, which is some added flexibility or as a counter like trick room Calyrex-S.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:51:32 No.52156156 Report

Quoted By:

>>52155873
>Dont suppose it gets Poison Jab or Iron Head for Fairies?
Why do you need this on a Fire type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:51:55 No.52156161 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156127
>0.5 + 0.5 = 1
>NO DUDE IT'S ACTUALLY MULTIPLYING IT BY 1.333333333333333333333333333333
they are the same thing, quit arguing with him you autist

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:51:56 No.52156162 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156102
>handing out slow start like candy
Bro…your shouldermon’s going to Ubers…

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:52:02 No.52156165 Report

Quoted By: >>52156207 >>52156214

>>52156121
Ice leopard probably deserves a spot over someone since it hardly needs support to do dumb shit with SD or revenge kill but I don't know who to drop. Leaning towards Scizor or Dragapult

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:55:03 No.52156207 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156165
Dragapult is going to be extremely good because it ignores funny bike lizard’s subs, is a ghost type, and is the fastest unboosted thing in the meta. Meanwhile scizor lost roost, knock off, and defog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:55:33 No.52156214 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156165
Yeah, good point.

Hard to say. Scizor is here for opposing Flutter Mane's, and possibly revenge on other fast threats. Itll be good vs Ice leopard too. Priority is gonna be important af early on.

Pult is near uncontested and is one of the few in a speed tier to deal with all the broken new shit.

Cyclizar helps vs Pult and then also sets up subs for Mane and Moon.

Torkoal supports Mane and Moon, but also helps weather wars vs opposing Rain.

If I had to pick one, I'd probably drop Pult, but theyre all good as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:56:35 No.52156224 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156112
My cope is that the Starmobiles will be available in the DLC as form changes like Rotom and let it use the Torques.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:56:40 No.52156227 Report

Quoted By:

Scizor's viability depends on how quickly they ban the broken mons

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:56:43 No.52156230 Report

Quoted By: >>52156249 >>52156304 >>52156309

>Lost Dual Wingbeat, Knock Off, Bug Bite, AND Roost
FOR WHAT FUCKING PURPOSE

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:57:12 No.52156235 Report

Quoted By: >>52156274

Ahem
sorry my dear comp anons.
give it to me straight pwease! is my sismon good?! is it viable?! please tell me a good comp!!
it's stated that they defeat corviknight so it HAS to be good!! WHINES AND PISSES ON THE FLOOR THEN SHITS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:57:42 No.52156241 Report

Quoted By: >>52156253

>>52156112
Filter is pretty good for it and your setup move is Shift Gear anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:58:07 No.52156249 Report

Quoted By: >>52156263 >>52156309

>>52156230
It sucks, and is undeserved, but on the other hand it gained CC, and looks to be one of the best Steel types at the moment. AV sets will probably see a surge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:58:20 No.52156253 Report

Quoted By: >>52156277

>>52156241
Did you actually read the post?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:58:55 No.52156263 Report

Quoted By: >>52156309

>>52156249
also gets technician trailblaze

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:59:28 No.52156274 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156235
She will tear up RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 16:59:42 No.52156277 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156253
Oops, meant to reply to a car doompost in another thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:01:32 No.52156304 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156230
Scizor will never be completely bad so long as it can still Swords Dance and Technician Bullet Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:02:00 No.52156309 Report

Quoted By: >>52156352

>>52156230
>>52156249
>>52156263
The punching glove is also okay, 1.2 boost to bullet punch while preventing annoying contact abilities. Scizor has a few options this time but if you ask me it's definitely a nerf overall. Losing Roost and Knock Off is huge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:02:17 No.52156314 Report

Quoted By:

>scyther lost vacuum wave
WHY

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:02:25 No.52156317 Report

Quoted By: >>52156334 >>52156338 >>52156339 >>52156354 >>52156378 >>52156388

What team will the smogon stallfags run?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:03:36 No.52156334 Report

Quoted By: >>52156378

>>52156317
>Recovery moves PP nerf
>Hazard removal gutted from almost every mon
>Tera gives fucking everything adaptability
Stall is fucking dead lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:03:48 No.52156338 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156317
full stall won't be ran with success for quite some time i feel but balance will be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:03:49 No.52156339 Report

Quoted By: >>52156348 >>52156363

>>52156317
Cylicar
Pex
Kleavor
Iron Treads
Iron Hands
Clodsire

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:04:37 No.52156348 Report

Quoted By: >>52156384 >>52157336

>>52156339
>Pex
>Without Knock Off or Scald
LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:04:57 No.52156351 Report

Quoted By: >>52156422

>>52155288
well at least samurottfags are basing their delusion off of stats and upgrades, not the fucking pokedex flavour text lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:04:58 No.52156352 Report

Quoted By: >>52156369 >>52156380

>>52156309
CC doesnt get that boost too, does it?

Either way, I agree. While it'll likely faire better in the meta, it's a net nerf. Scizor is among the few purged that I definitely think should've kept Knock Off. REALLY hoping we see a KO tutor in DLC if the move purge ends up happening for realsies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:05:08 No.52156354 Report

Quoted By: >>52156395 >>52156403 >>52156406 >>52156458

>>52156317
A team around Scream Tail (Past Puff).
Don't get why no one is talking about it, it's broken.
>115 wish
>111 speed
>screens
Just for that it's incredible, but it also has bulk up, calm mind and an incredible movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:05:21 No.52156359 Report

Quoted By:

Thoughts on tera normal gallade running slash, psycho cut, sacred sword, and a coverage move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:05:42 No.52156363 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156339
I thought for a second this was a reply to >>52156093 and I was going to body you, fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:06:15 No.52156369 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156352
>CC doesnt get that boost too, does it?
Nah it isn't treated as a punching move unfortunately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:06:39 No.52156378 Report

Quoted By: >>52156390

>>52156317
>>52156334
Wish still has 10pp, corviknight still gets defog, and tera is getting banned

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:06:41 No.52156379 Report

Quoted By: >>52156401 >>52156412 >>52156432 >>52156453

Alright bros, how would you buff her without her Mega?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:06:42 No.52156380 Report

Quoted By: >>52156408

>>52156352
CC is a punch move now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:07:03 No.52156384 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156348
Pex does still get knock off, has regenerator in a meta where recovery moves are nerfed, didn’t lose toxic, and still has good typing. It’ll be worse than it was but it’s not going extinct in OU any time soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:07:11 No.52156388 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156317
>Corv / Slowking or GKing / Ting-Lu or Great Tusks or Iron Treads or Clodsire
Will be the standard omgon balance core.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:07:15 No.52156390 Report

Quoted By: >>52156411

>>52156378
>and tera is getting banned
The cope begins lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:07:33 No.52156395 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156354
I had never really thought about screens on stall or Pex before until Storm Zone (random top OU ladder player) kept beating my Nihilego offense with that bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:07:59 No.52156401 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156379
Doing sex with it

>human egg group

Then she will learn parental bond.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:08:00 No.52156403 Report

Quoted By: >>52156446 >>52156483

>>52156354
It also gets Wish.

The main issue is it lacks apparent offensive presence. You can be the fattest fuckin wall in the world, but if you cant do anything back to the enemy, you become setup fodder and get broken. That being said, I've heard talk that with CM and BU it could potentially force switches. Still gotta see whats up with this guy, its pretty unusual.

Does anyone have its full movelist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:08:11 No.52156406 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156354
is bulk up/calm mind worth it with its shitty attack stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:08:17 No.52156408 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156380
No it isn't dummy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:08:30 No.52156411 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156390
Hey man I'm just trying to tell you what Smogon stallfags will use. Bans included

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:08:33 No.52156412 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156379
Increase her Defense Stat by a good amount.
Her biggest problem is that her purpose in Emerald was to be a Special Wall that could build up Calm Mind Stacks with Wish as recovery.
She needs the Physical Defense coverage to help keep her relevant.
I love her Shiny Mega a lot, bro...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:09:04 No.52156421 Report

Quoted By: >>52156447 >>52156482 >>52156492

I'll try here.
Someone explain to me how this set is legal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:09:07 No.52156422 Report

Quoted By: >>52156535

>>52155288
>>52156351
I want an Oshawott statue built by low elo /vp/ shitters when at the very least Samurott gets UUBL.
You brainlets don't understand how important spikes and dark moves will be in the meta.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:09:10 No.52156423 Report

Quoted By: >>52157475

>>52155166
Here’s a VGC team I crafted and can adjust:

Great Tusk Assault Vest
Tera Fighting
Headlong Rush/CC/KnockOff/RockSlide
Excellent physical attacker that can thrive in TR and eat Fire Type’s common weaknesses. Free 1.5 Boost in Sun and type coverage is excellent.

Torkoal Charcoal
Tera Fire
Eruption/SolarBeam/Protect/Heat Wave
Trick Room Eruption Abuser and Catalyst for Paradox Mons. If you want you can Tera Fire Eruption for comical results.
Heat Wave is for Low HP.

Armarouge Room Service
Tera Psychic
Armor Cannon/ExpandingForce/WideGuard/TrickRoom
Original Guy the team was built around; Paradox Mons cover his weaknesses to Ghost Dark and Rock types, his Wide Guard helps protect theirs from stray Dazzling Gleams for support and Torkoal boosts his Cannon though can be swapped w Heat Wave for consistent spread. He’s not slow enough in TR w 75 speed so he has Room Service to get the leap when set
Psychic Tera Type to reduce weaknesses to just two (Ghost and Dark)

Indeedee F Psychic Seed
Tera Normal
FollowMe/HelpingHand/Psychic/HyperVoice
Primary Support for Armarouge and redirects single target attacks team members would not like

Scovillain Life Orb
Tera Grass
Flamethrower/SolarBeam/Protect/Spicy Extract
For Speed Advantage and Abusing Sun Chlorophyll, primary to deal with Waters. Could run Seed Bomb if you prefer Leaf Storm. SExtract to guarantee Roaring Moon gets KOs.

Roaring Moon Focus Sash
TeraPoison
Jawlock/DragonClaw/Protect/TeraBlast
Fast physical mon that can thrive in sun but needs Tera to beat matchups like Iron Valiant and other Fighting or Fairy types. Also makes a good threat to grass chlorophyll users.
Dark STAB scares Psychic counters and checks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:09:34 No.52156432 Report

Quoted By: >>52156512

>>52156379
Introduce her to the new Steel/Poison mon, who promptly shows her its large exhaust.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:10:19 No.52156446 Report

Quoted By: >>52156483 >>52156506

>>52156403
Scream Tail - 115/65/99/65/115/111 (Total: 570) - Fairy/Psychic - Protosynthesis/Protosynthesis/Protosynthesis
Learned Moves:
Pound @ Lv. 1
Sing @ Lv. 1
Disable @ Lv. 1
Howl @ Lv. 7
Noble Roar @ Lv. 14
Bite @ Lv. 21
Body Slam @ Lv. 28
Rest @ Lv. 35
Play Rough @ Lv. 42
Hyper Voice @ Lv. 49
Psychic Fangs @ Lv. 56
Crunch @ Lv. 63
Wish @ Lv. 70
Gyro Ball @ Lv. 77
Perish Song @ Lv. 84
Boomburst @ Lv. 91
Reminder Moves:
Sunny Day
TM Moves:
Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Body Slam, Take Down, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Blizzard, Psybeam, Hyper Beam, Thunderbolt, Thunder Wave, Thunder, Dig, Psychic, Light Screen, Reflect, Metronome, Fire Blast, Amnesia, Rest, Substitute, Protect, Scary Face, Sandstorm, Endure, Sleep Talk, Baton Pass, Encore, Rain Dance, Sunny Day, Crunch, Facade, Helping Hand, Trick, Imprison, Hyper Voice, Fake Tears, Rock Tomb, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Water Pulse, Fling, Drain Punch, Focus Blast, Giga Impact, Thunder Fang, Ice Fang, Fire Fang, Zen Headbutt, Trick Room, Stealth Rock, Grass Knot, Psyshock, Stored Power, Misty Terrain, Play Rough, Dazzling Gleam, Psychic Terrain, Psychic Fangs, Stomping Tantrum, Tera Blast, Snowscape

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:10:23 No.52156447 Report

Quoted By: >>52156490

>>52156421
What do you mean, why wouldn't it be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:10:40 No.52156453 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156379
Signature Quiver dance called sexy dance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:10:55 No.52156458 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156354
taunt/setup fodder but the speed is cool you outspeed the shiny new taunt lando and most of the breakers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:12:31 No.52156482 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156421
Extreme Speed is a event move in gen 6 or 7 for Pikachu (I don't remember). Fake Out is passed with the gen 8 breeding mechanics. It's not legal if transfers aren't allowed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:12:33 No.52156483 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156403
>>52156446
you could run perish song i guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:13:08 No.52156490 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156447
I kept looking for a way to get both Extreme Speed and Fake Out in the same set (Volt Tackle can be tutored in USUM as far as I remember), but my search went no where due to how the only Pikachu Bulbapedia and Shitterbii showed was that could attain Extreme Speed was the Gen V Event.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:13:18 No.52156492 Report

Quoted By: >>52156539

>>52156421
Gen 8 breeding mechanics allow you to pass egg moves without actually breeding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:13:33 No.52156498 Report

Quoted By: >>52156515 >>52156528

Now that stall is dead, there's a way to at least try it with screens? Or they can be easily removed now too?

I know defog, brick break and psychic fangs can break it, but new moves can do it too?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:14:09 No.52156506 Report

Quoted By: >>52156522 >>52156551

>>52156446
Scream Tail @ Left over / Rocky Helmet / Whatever
252hp, 252 spe def (or leave some for speed)
Wish
Bulk Up
Play rough
Psychic fangs / drain punch / ice punch / whatever is best for the meta

You like it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:14:15 No.52156512 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156432
So you'll inflate her with the exhaust?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:14:31 No.52156515 Report

Quoted By: >>52156529

>>52156498
Nah stall doesn't work that way.
There's no toxic tm anymore and gholdengo is immune to everything stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:14:47 No.52156519 Report

Quoted By:

>>52155782
Cleaners aren't gonna be around for a while, not at least until Kleavor/H-Samurott are in too, cause right now its just Toxic Spikes you can set up without dedicating a move to just that, and VGC really NEEDS hazards to be set up as part of something else to be good. I imagine you won't see any Cleaners until then or Mortal Spin on Glimmora, but Maushold might get used a bunch (just not for Tidy Up's cleaning effect).

Very important thing though, is that Glimmora pairs AMAZINGLY with Amoonguss, they cover eachother super well even when they share the poison type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:15:05 No.52156522 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156506
showderp tier
if you want to use this thing in ou it's fast support only

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:15:13 No.52156525 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156112
>Weird that it gets Parting Shot over U-Turn
Road rage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:15:30 No.52156528 Report

Quoted By: >>52156594

>>52156498
Tauros has a new move that breaks screens

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:15:32 No.52156529 Report

Quoted By: >>52156545

>>52156515
Is he immune to all status moves? (Including taunt)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:16:23 No.52156535 Report

Quoted By: >>52156548 >>52156568

>>52156422
>I-I want a statue if it gets to UUBL!
>UUBL
>banned from RU
otterfags…I kneel
UU’s banlist is just called BL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:16:33 No.52156539 Report

Quoted By: >>52156554

>>52156492
What the fuck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:17:01 No.52156545 Report

Quoted By: >>52156590

>>52156529
Yes. His ability is basically magic bounce but without the bounce, which helps in a few cases over it like defog. Reflected defog still activates, he cancels it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:17:13 No.52156548 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156535
XX BL means banned from tier XX
UUBL is BL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:17:26 No.52156551 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156506
gets walled out by goldengo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:17:31 No.52156554 Report

Quoted By: >>52156569

>>52156539
Yeah all you have to do is toss two Pokemon of the same species into daycare, if one has an egg move it teaches it to the other one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:18:18 No.52156568 Report

Quoted By: >>52156580

>>52156535
Why does Smogon have a tier called "Boy's Love"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:18:19 No.52156569 Report

Quoted By: >>52156584 >>52156601

>>52156554
Is it SwSh exclusive or accessible in shitty as BDSP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:18:55 No.52156580 Report

Quoted By: >>52156604

>>52156568
Why is that the first thing you think of when you see "BL?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:19:16 No.52156584 Report

Quoted By: >>52156601

>>52156569
I'm assuming it works in BDSP too but honestly I don't know. I couldn't play BDSP for more than two hours, it's so much worse than Platinum it isn't even funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:20:01 No.52156590 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156545
>gholdengo blocks defog AND rapid spin
have fun seeing this fucker with glimmora

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:20:09 No.52156592 Report

Quoted By:

>>52155729
Trick Room is speed control. If the other team is faster, you set it up. If the other team is slower, you don't. If the other team is slower and has TR, you reverse theirs. Trick Room is like Taunt; a balanced team should have it on one Pokemon, just as an answer to certain matchups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:20:37 No.52156594 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156528
Fuck, looks like i'll have to learn to play play balanced and hyper offensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:20:47 No.52156598 Report

Quoted By: >>52156622 >>52156650 >>52156884

>>52155686
>Swords Dance + Sucker Punch + Ceasless Edge(97.5 with Sharpness)

A Bisharp with a hazard setting Knock Off instead. Whats the issue?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:20:58 No.52156601 Report

Quoted By: >>52158829

>>52156584
>>52156569
it's in bdsp too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:21:16 No.52156604 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156580
I've been around Fujos for far too long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:22:41 No.52156622 Report

Quoted By: >>52156697 >>52156817

>>52156598
SFMA

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:25:03 No.52156650 Report

Quoted By: >>52156697 >>52156817

>>52156598
Worse typing, significantly lower attack. Bisharp avoids being a SFMA because it's steel type. Samurott doesn't have that luxury.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:28:06 No.52156697 Report

Quoted By: >>52156702 >>52156817

>>52156622
>>52156650
>SFMA
Selective Functional Movement Assessment?
Sports Field Managers Association?
Spear Fucking My Ass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:29:29 No.52156702 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156697
We already knew that you didn't know what it meant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:29:31 No.52156703 Report

Quoted By: >>52156743 >>52156750

>>52155873
>Ceruledge didn't get Sharpness
>regular Samurott didn't get Sharpness
There's definitely a good few pokemon i do really think deserve it though, namely the Swords of Justice, Haxorus, and a whole load of others.

I do think that if they ever were allowed to have Hidden Abilities, I would REALLY hope that Golisopod could get it, but that'd never fucking happenin a million years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:29:56 No.52156709 Report

Quoted By:

Garganacl @ Assault Vest
Adamant/Brave
Tera Ghost
252 HP/252 Atk/4 SpDef
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Heavy Slam
Tera Blast
Built to fuck over Ghosts. EVs are a generic spread, as meta settles down I'd like to see if I can fine tune the damage output so I can invest the minimum to kill high priority targets and still afford to move some Atk to SpDef

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:30:30 No.52156720 Report

Quoted By:

>No nasty plot
>No electric terrain setup mon
Iron Jugulis is gonna go straight to UU with Hydreigon lmao

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:31:45 No.52156732 Report

Quoted By: >>52156760 >>52156769 >>52156780

bye bye excadrill

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:32:39 No.52156743 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156703
>>regular Samurott didn't get Sharpness
Regular Samurott has been upgraded, retconned, replaced, and removed from the lore. Want regular Samurott? Use Hisuian Samurott's shiny.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:32:52 No.52156750 Report

Quoted By:

>>52155873
>>52156703
My guess is because Bitter Blade is already stronger than Drain/Giga, it has 125 base attack, and Tera exists that they thought Sharpness on top of it would be too much. A real shame, that. Scarf Sharpness Ceruledge would be fun as hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:33:31 No.52156759 Report

Quoted By:

>>52155166
I added some new users that might be interesing in this post >>52154079 but expect the usual TR setters too. Hatterene, Bronzong, Gothitelle, Slowking, Slowbro, Oranguru and Mimikyu are some of the most relevant ones. TR seems to do well with most weathers and electric terrain because their setters are slow so expect weather teams to have a TR mode too.
Covert Cloak grants Fake Out countermeasures to non-ghost type setters so expect Hatterene, Slowbro and Slowking to run it, since they are inmune to Taunt already. Hatterene in particular seems hard to stop if you can't KO it.
You can force it out with the funny interaction Magic Guard has with Parting Shot so maybe Grimmsnarl or the parrot might be good for stopping a Hatterene set up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:33:35 No.52156760 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156732
>no SD
>no sand rush
excadrill will be fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:34:21 No.52156769 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156732
>Ice Spinner to clear Terrain
>Rapid Spin to clear Hazards
>Ground/Steel STAB
This fucker was MADE for an assault vest holy shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:34:52 No.52156780 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156732
My bro bulky sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:34:56 No.52156781 Report

Quoted By:

How many weeks after launch until OUVR blacklists H-Sam? I give it a month.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:37:27 No.52156817 Report

Quoted By: >>52157299

>>52156697
Slow Frail Mixed Attackers.

>>52156650
>>52156622
Don't mind these 2 brainlets.
Water-Dark is a good typing with some good resistances especially for this gen (to ghost, dark, ice and water that will help him set up thanks to his respectable bulk). And unlike Bisharp, he has a reliable 135bp fighting move.
These 2 are subhumans who can't think for themselves, so they'll flowchart to "steel = good to not be sfma this meta" independently of how the meta will shape up. Same reason why they're so proud of knowing some terms.
Midwits that don't understand that knowledge =/= intelligence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:37:29 No.52156818 Report

Quoted By: >>52156861

You now remembe Gen 6/7 Donphans antileads that did 40% to lando with Iceshard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:40:15 No.52156861 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156818
>Implying I ever forgot
Knock off, stealth rock/earthquake, ice shard, rapid spin.
Only during XY tho. Power creep after ROSA was too rough for him to handle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:41:50 No.52156884 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156598
I agree that Samurott looks solid, but it wont play the same role as Bisharp without Defiant. The main niche Bisharp has is defog punishing, and the 125 base attack vs the 108 is a big ass difference for Sucker Punching without setup.

I'm sure Sucker will still be used, but it's not coming in with the same immediate threatening presence. Samurott's going to be spamming huge Sharpness boosted Ceaseless Edges, might even main Scarf just to do so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:45:03 No.52156933 Report

Quoted By: >>52156974

Is it to better to roll with 252 HP 252 ATK jolly Donphan or 252 HP 252 Def Impish Donphan in a more general setting? I want my phan balanced but can still hit decently hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:45:06 No.52156934 Report

Quoted By:

>only 9 pokemon have Ally Switch now

Holy shit between this and having fail chance like protect this is absolutely fucking insane for VGC
Amoonguss literally just got better from this as support

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:45:07 No.52156936 Report

Quoted By: >>52156972 >>52157057

Prove how it isn't simply a better Dracovish.
Hard mode: Prove that the female specifically is balanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:46:56 No.52156972 Report

Quoted By: >>52157041

>>52156936
Dracovish didn't require you to hedge your bets on losing 5 then sweeping.
Honestly 300BP Last Rites is overhyped, move is still going to hit hard as fuck after 1-3 deaths which seems way more practical for strategy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:47:23 No.52156974 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156933
Max atk, you put enough speed to outspeed some relevant OU threats, rest in HP.
You only run impish if your team needs a def tank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:48:28 No.52156992 Report

Quoted By: >>52157692

>>52154987
So with
>Recovery nerfs
>the generational gimmick
>a move that revives people
>various moves that are balanced in 3v3s like Chilling Water or Basculegion's signature move based off of Pokemon already fainted
>everything losing Toxic that shouldn't logically learn it
Smogon is just going to keep running no-Dynamax gen 8 singles as its official format isn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:49:00 No.52157002 Report

Quoted By: >>52157016 >>52157107 >>52157212

>Tidy Up: The user tidies up and removes the effects of Spikes, Stealth Rock, Sticky Web, Toxic Spikes, and Substitute. This also boosts the user’s Attack and Speed stats.
>Stat Changes: (blank)

>Trailblaze:
The user attacks suddenly as if leaping out from tall grass. The user’s nimble footwork boosts its Speed stat.
>Stat Changes: Speed/+1/100
i'm confused. is the move pastebin missing stat change information for Tidy Up, or is it a different kind of boost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:50:08 No.52157016 Report

Quoted By: >>52157212

>>52157002
shit, i messed up my greentext. does my question make sense at least?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:51:57 No.52157041 Report

Quoted By: >>52157066 >>52157091

>>52156972
i was gonna post about this actually. people are too fixated on the 300bp part. if you can get your physical ghost stab (same goes for primeape's new move) to 150bp you're already in a really good position. 100bp is good for a no drawback move. getting it to 300bp and going for some epic sweep isn't going to work consistently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:53:02 No.52157057 Report

Quoted By: >>52157084

>>52156936
>Lose your entire team for a slow bulky Water shitmon to somehow sweep with a 5 PP move
Dracovish is actually better because it can come out of the gate earlier with its full powered Rend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:53:53 No.52157066 Report

Quoted By: >>52157156

>>52157041
I agree that people are too fixated on the 300bp bit, but like you're saying, it hits good numbers after just one sack.

In addition to Adaptability, Wave Crash, and Aqua Jet, we're definitely looking at a better Crawdaunt here. It doesnt have to rely on downed allies, which is the main draw, it can be immediately threatening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:54:56 No.52157084 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157057
basculegion has more speed than dracovish.
it's true dracovish is more consistent but "slow" doesn't describe bascu

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:55:21 No.52157091 Report

Quoted By: >>52157139 >>52157198

>>52157041
Last Respects, and same thing as well with Supreme Overlord, are meant to be used as Anchors. They're not supposed to be consistent, they're for late game if as an attempt to clutch out a win. Last Respects works sure if you have 1 or 2 knockouts, but they're really only gonna be particularly impactful late game in singles, Doubles Last Respects is fine if you aren't running it on your opener, and even then its only good on Sand/Rain teams, but Supreme Overlord is honestly just flat out bad for doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:56:27 No.52157107 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157002
Dragon Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:58:16 No.52157139 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157091
>Last Respects, and same thing as well with Supreme Overlord, are meant to be used as Anchors
But last respects does not have to be used as an anchor at all, look at the actual numbers and you'd realize what you're saying makes no sense.
>Last Respects works sure if you have 1 or 2 knockouts, but they're really only gonna be particularly impactful late game in singles
It's a 100 or 150bp physical ghost STAB move on a Pokemon with Adaptability. How is that not already impactful? Do you consider Crawdaunt's knock to not be impactful? Poltergeist is 110bp and considered to be an incredibly powerful move with a significant drawback.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 17:59:08 No.52157156 Report

Quoted By: >>52157225

>>52157066
>we're definitely looking at a better Crawdaunt here
Explain yourself. Basculeion is Water/Ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:02:01 No.52157191 Report

Quoted By: >>52157207

Three downed Pokémon and you are already stronger than Dracovish. Two downed and you are about 25% weaker with a better offensive type. Your arguments would make sense if it was 50 BP for the course of the game and then suddenly became 300 once Basculegion was the last one standing.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:02:30 No.52157196 Report

Quoted By: >>52157416

I'm still adamant that Rain will be amazing in OU

>Most weather setters are gone, yet Pelipper remains
>Barraskewda returns
>Beartic returns with some huge buffs
>Thundurus-T returns
>Zapdos returns
>Drednaw returns with Shell Smash
>Urshifu-R returns
>Palafin will hit disgustingly hard in Rain
>Basculegion has Swift Swim and Last Respects for absurd late game damage
>Overqwil has Swift Swim and doesn't share any weaknesses with other Rain-mons, while bringing defensive balance with its nice physical bulk, and having decent coverage for the archetype with its Poison STAB to hit grassholes

Not only are many strong 'mons in the archetype back, but the biggest checks to Rain are gone, mostly. Rillaboom lost Grassy Glide, and Ferrothorn is gone. The only real nerf to the playstyle I'm seeing is the loss of Seismitoad and the loss of Defog (Rain will have to rely on a spinner or Noivern for Defog)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:02:50 No.52157198 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157091
Supreme Overlord has a much higher tradeoff in taking than Last Rites. Basculegion isn't even locked into Adaptability, 100/150BP STAB for water resists + Swift Swim will hit hard and is reasonable to expect. It's just as usable as Poltergeist if not moreso, ignoring 300 BP memes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:03:26 No.52157207 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157191
3 downed pokemon in VGC would quite literally make Basculegion your last pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:03:39 No.52157212 Report

Quoted By: >>52157292

>>52157002
>>52157016
kinda hard to tell
I've test tidy up in game and it gives +1 in both atk and speed, so I'm sure it works
maybe the game itself doesn't list the buff because it has multiple effects? like it doesn't tell you the boost because the first effect to activate is field cleaning

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:04:53 No.52157225 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157156
Ghost and Dark have a very similar offensive profile. Main difference is Ghost is resisted by Dark and immune to Normal, where as Dark has to contend with Fairy.

Both fill a similar niche with Adaptability. Basculegion trades a little bit of Attack for better speed and bulk.
Crawdaunts mainly spams Aqua Jet and Knock Off. Basculegion gets Aqua Jet, Last Respects (which becomes stronger than KO after only one ally dies, albeit with less utility), and Wave Crash (which is Water type Flare Blitz).

They fill a similar niche, but Basculegion isn't nearly as frail, can actually outspeed walls consistently, and will have a similar (and potentially better in some cases) offensive profile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:05:22 No.52157234 Report

Quoted By: >>52157255 >>52157256 >>52157266 >>52157901

Give it to me straight comfags. Is Dudunsparce even a marginally decent mon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:05:50 No.52157239 Report

Quoted By: >>52157264 >>52157269 >>52158061

Ceaseless Edge:
The user slashes its shell blade at the target, aiming to
land a critical hit. Shell splinters left behind by this attack
remain scattered under the target as spikes.

What this means ? Also , Spanish version plz

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:06:38 No.52157255 Report

Quoted By: >>52157271

>>52157234
Yes if you use calm mind + boomburst + roost + shadow ball or glare or whatever.
Else, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:06:43 No.52157256 Report

Quoted By: >>52157271

>>52157234
The evolution brings about as much to the table statwise as it does designwise. You can do the math from there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:07:25 No.52157264 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157239
high crit ration+spikes
>Spanish version plz
ración de hematocrito alta+púas, hermano

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:07:32 No.52157266 Report

Quoted By: >>52157504

>>52157234
Its no longer ZU, it has 525 BST now.
Probably RU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:07:43 No.52157269 Report

Quoted By: >>52157304

>>52157239
>100bp move with 90 accuracy that lays a layer of spikes after each hit.
Crit rate is normal though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:07:50 No.52157271 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157255
>>52157256
So he's good enough for casual battles. Thanks!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:09:01 No.52157292 Report

Quoted By: >>52157305

>>52157212
as long as it works i'm okay, i was just wondering if the boost wasn't strictly a stat change based on the information being different in the paste. it at least tells you in game that, like, "Maushold's Attack rose!" right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:09:37 No.52157299 Report

Quoted By: >>52157326 >>52157417

>>52156817
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Hisuian Samurott. The toolkit is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical metagames most of the strategies will go over a typical Smogondrone's head. There's also Samurott's nihilistic ability, which is deftly woven into his base 108 attack - his personal strategy draws heavily from Arcanine-Jolteon cores, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of Ceaseless Edge, to realise that it's not just strong - it says something deep about OU. As a consequence people who dislike Hisuian Samurott truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in off-meta options like "Sharpness Boosted Air Slash," which itself is a cryptic reference to Generation 3's standard Aerial Ace Dugtrio. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as H-Samurott's perilous pebbles unfold themselves on their Roaring Moons. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Hisuian Samurott tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only - and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 BST of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:09:53 No.52157304 Report

Quoted By: >>52157322 >>52157347 >>52157385

>>52157269
Wait, its 100 bp?? I thought it was 80. That's 150 bp after Sharpness.

Why the fuck does anyone think this thing wont be at least UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:09:53 No.52157305 Report

Quoted By: >>52157320

>>52157292
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:10:52 No.52157320 Report

Quoted By: >>52157415

>>52157305
good to hear, thank you for clarifying for me, anon!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:11:06 No.52157322 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157304
one shot by the new pikachu clone, literally useless

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:11:19 No.52157326 Report

Quoted By: >>52157487

>>52157299
Brainlet completely mind broken.
Love to see it.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:11:54 No.52157335 Report

Quoted By: >>52157387

>Heh... not bad kid... not bad at all... you survived my Ceaseless Edge... you won't survive the next on-AACK!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:11:55 No.52157336 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156348
Losing Scald sucks, but that just means it'll run Toxic more. Regenerator didn't get nerfed, meaning it is the de facto longest lived Pokemon in OU now, possibly even in the whole game. It still gest Knock Off, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:12:44 No.52157347 Report

Quoted By: >>52157438

>>52157304
No, 65bp without sharpness boost.
Still really good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:15:13 No.52157385 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157304
We do think it will be at least UU. It will also be at most UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:15:20 No.52157387 Report

Quoted By: >>52157469

>>52157335
>Brainlet doesn't understand the value of spikes
Pottery. Sometimes it's better to sacrifice a mon by doing damage and setting up things for the future than killing the pokemon in front of you like a dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:17:05 No.52157415 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157320
no problem
I spent a long time figuring out that 3 family shit
at least something good came out of it I guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:17:07 No.52157416 Report

Quoted By: >>52157516

>>52157196
I hear there's also that new Regional Bird with Volt Absorb being a good addition to Rain Teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:17:10 No.52157417 Report

Quoted By: >>52157467 >>52157499

>>52157299
Holy shit this is an excellent pasta for shitmonfagging. Not quite Navy Seals and YWNBAW tier but small and concise. Saved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:18:06 No.52157438 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157347
>65 BP
>90 accuracy
what were they thinking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:19:52 No.52157467 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157417
It's just Rick and Morty

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:19:56 No.52157469 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157387
>b-but HO meta means no thinking! unga bunga, r-right guys?
Curious to see how practical usage shakes out but H Samurott is in the best position to claim an OU teamslot of the PLA starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:20:23 No.52157475 Report

Quoted By: >>52157511

>>52156423
I'm personally trying ground tera on scovillain to hit ground types that would wall it and make it immune to twave.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:20:51 No.52157485 Report

Quoted By: >>52157559

You should stop giving this midwits any kind of attention Samurotrbros.
They can't understand how good Tinkaton, what makes you think they'll get H-Samurott?
It's the same each gen. /vp/ midwits have midwits takes pre-meta and one week later everyone laughs at them and we all are reminded at how bad they are at a children's game.
Happened with Marrowak and Mimikyu during gen7, happened with Corvenight during gen8, will happen again with Tinkaton and H Samurott.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:20:52 No.52157487 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157326

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:21:27 No.52157499 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157417
Isn't it just that Rick and Morty copypasta but with Pokémon terms?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:21:32 No.52157500 Report

Quoted By:

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Tinkaton. The toolkit is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical metagames most of the strategies will go over a typical Smogondrone's head. There's also Tinkaton's nihilistic lack of usable ability, which is deftly woven into her base 75 attack - her personal strategy draws heavily from Heatran-Magnezone cores, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of Gigaton Hammer, to realise that it's not just strong - it says something deep about OU. As a consequence people who dislike Tinkaton truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in off-meta options like "Pickpocket Gigaton Hammer on the Switch," which itself is a cryptic reference to Generation 1's standard Hyper Beam Tauros. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Tinkaton's 75 base attack unfolds itself on their Corviknights. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Tinkaton tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the coomers' eyes only - and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 Gigabytes of Muppet porn of my own coompost folder (preferably lower) beforehand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:21:39 No.52157504 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157266
Eh, he gets Tailwind, and Tailwind got buffed to 4 turns in Gen 9, you can absolutely run him physical.

Get tailwind up and he's outspeeding even pokemon like Iron Bundle, and Tailwind lasts 4 turns now so its way better in singles now, and even moreso in Doubles.

Serene Grace STAB Body Slam and Headbutt (only with Tailwind or Trick Room obv), Earthquake(Drill Run for doubles), Rock Slide (ESPECIALLY good with Tailwind/Trick Room), Heavy Slam, Wild Charge, Roost, also Hyper Drill is just an insanely good STAB move.

Honestly though, this is all probably a lot better in doubles regardless.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:21:46 No.52157509 Report

Quoted By: >>52157546

what are the numbers on supreme overlord? last I heard you could switch in with 2 dead mons and not get any boost at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:21:51 No.52157511 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157475
*fire types, not ground types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:22:05 No.52157514 Report

Quoted By: >>52157558

>>52154987
>Samurott
>good
LMAO
It's a frail slow mixed attacker.
Decidueye is in a better position, being a bulky slow physical attacker.
As long as Samurott has frail stats, it will always be a shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:22:10 No.52157516 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157416
Oh yeah, I forgot about Kilowattrel. It'll be good until we get home access with Thundurus-T coming back. Volt switch on it will be necessary to keep momentum up against Paradox teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:24:24 No.52157546 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157509
I saw 1.2x for first fainted mon, another 0.1x for each additional one, but don't have a source

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:25:05 No.52157558 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157514
>Decidueye is in a better position, being a bulky
>78/75/100
>Grass/Fighting
>bulky
>physical attacker.
>107/100
>No offensive boosting ability

I mean, at least you're right about the slow part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:25:05 No.52157559 Report

Quoted By: >>52157610

>>52157485
>Happened with Marrowak and Mimikyu during gen7
You didn't have to reveal that it was ironic bait all along so quickly.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:25:06 No.52157560 Report

Quoted By: >>52157587

>compfag thread
>it's just retards trying to validate their shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:25:17 No.52157562 Report

Quoted By: >>52157592 >>52157636 >>52157651

Apparently the only reason the Slowkings get the exclusive move chilly reception is this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVXeE7ZwmI from an by now ancient movie. What the fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:26:54 No.52157587 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157560
Don’t worry, it’ll be full of bitching about how broken the paradox mons are soon enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:27:02 No.52157592 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157562
It's to mock Icefags even further by giving their weather to a Water type, as if telling them to just use Watermons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:28:20 No.52157610 Report

Quoted By: >>52157642 >>52157683 >>52157725

>>52157559
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-viability-ranking-thread.3590726/

Being stupid wasn't enough, you have also shit memory, huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:29:34 No.52157636 Report

Quoted By: >>52157682

>>52157562
It's based on the whole trope of like, someone making a bad joke and then you just hear a wind breeze because its quiet since no one laughed, and also some japanese expression pun thing or someshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:30:01 No.52157642 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157610
>blacklisted mon
>Mega Beedrill (this is never coming off)
>Porygon-Z
Kek

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:30:32 No.52157651 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157562
Man, I remember getting violently ill in first grade. Literally puking if I so much as moved faster than a zombie shuffle, and having my dad put this movie on for me at 2 AM. First time I was ever up past midnight and I got to binge the first 4 Pokemon movies (minus 1)

I miss Pokemon being good bros.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:31:03 No.52157664 Report

Quoted By: >>52157710

>>52154987
I'm so far behind I don't know most of the new mons. I need to catch up quickly when the new games are out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:32:26 No.52157682 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157636
I don't think it's exclusive to Japan. Like, have you never told a joke to someone or a group/crowd of people and they didn't even so much as smirk? That's a Chilly Reception.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:32:36 No.52157683 Report

Quoted By: >>52157702

>>52157610
>people arguing for Bruxish on page 1
We could only hope our speculation looks just as retarded 5 years from now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:33:09 No.52157692 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156992
No pls i want my ice/op electric powered regieleki

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:33:58 No.52157702 Report

Quoted By: >>52157729 >>52157734 >>52157756

>>52157683
Do you think Orthworm will have a viable spot in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:34:21 No.52157710 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157664
Or just drop comp pokemon, it has become a joke.
2 mons can revive your dead pokemons now. There's this mon that can u-turn while giving a substitute to the next pokemon without losing health, not even talking about 300bp ghost moves (and ghost still being as broken as ever) with pursuit still gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:34:58 No.52157725 Report

Quoted By: >>52157784 >>52157829 >>52157898

>>52157610
>Mimikyu B- rank
>Marowak C+ rank
>both fell two ranks in the USM rankings as well (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usum-ou-ultra-viability-ranking-thread.3621329/)
What is this supposed to prove?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:35:04 No.52157729 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157702
It's too bad its ability doesn't absorb Spikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:35:27 No.52157734 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157702
No, it’s going to maybe fire off one shed tail and then be dead weight for the rest of the match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:36:40 No.52157756 Report

Quoted By: >>52157905

>>52157702
Orthworm is one of those mons being overlooked hard.
Its a steel type @ 140 def with Earth eater (ground absorb) and it has Shed Tail. It will counter many mons who rely on EQ as coverage to get past steel types and it will pass a slow sub to your sweeper.
It might not get OU but it will definitely be used there.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:38:18 No.52157784 Report

Quoted By: >>52157814 >>52157817

>>52157725
They are both OU? And yeah, /vp/ anons were so ahead of their time they predicted the tutor moves and new mons of USUM.
This is why you were thinking that Mimikyu and Marrowak weren't gonna make it to OU.

You brainlets keep losing, and if you think H-Samurott and Tinkaton aren't gonna ne viable in OU, you won't derail that trend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:39:59 No.52157814 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157784
You're lumping yourself in with Tinkaton? You're destroying your own point!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:40:09 No.52157817 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157784
I don't give a fuck about projected OU viability, just stop avatarfagging your way through all these threads, jesus fucking christ, go to all the other cancer threads on this board with that shit. It's sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:41:01 No.52157829 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157725
First of all, they're both OU viable, so.. what is YOUR point supposed to prove?

Second of all, A-Maro was a key team member in early SM meta before a lot of shit got banned, as it checked a lot of the overpowered stuff. It fell in usage afterwards, but still stayed OU viable.

Mimikyu also was very prevalent in VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:42:26 No.52157852 Report

Quoted By: >>52158289

regieleki tera will be kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:43:09 No.52157864 Report

Quoted By: >>52157938

C-tier is a pity "you might see this in 1/1000 teams" rank, almost everything in this is UU or lower by usage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:44:54 No.52157898 Report

Quoted By: >>52158457 >>52158470

>>52157725
Honestly Smogon is always like this in these threads, like go look at the SV OU thread, honestly every other fucking post has people being just flat out retarded and shows they really have no fucking clue how pokemon works outside of their little bubble, like thinking Home access is gonna buff certain pokemon's movepools when moves LITERALLY dont transfer anymore, or nobody realizing that Iron Valiant does infact, have a physical Fairy STAB in Sprit Break, which is only 15BP weaker than Play Rough and doesn't have 90% accuracy, like honestly its clear they literally do not understand the game they're playing beyond their tiny sheltered world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:45:03 No.52157899 Report

Quoted By: >>52157916 >>52157925 >>52157926 >>52157960

So how are tinkfags justifying it will be good in comp? The only argument I've seen for it is great typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:45:07 No.52157901 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157234
Depends on if you run mono-type normal teams or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:45:11 No.52157905 Report

Quoted By: >>52157936

>>52157756
Does it have a recovery move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:45:59 No.52157916 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157899
The benchmark is now "C+ ranking in the OU VR counts as OU even if it's UU by usage"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:46:21 No.52157925 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157899
160 BP STAB is still extremely hard hitting even if its once every two turns, and it has a decent support movepool. Won't be amazing but it'll be usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:46:22 No.52157926 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157899
The 160 BP steel move you can only use once in a row. That's their justification

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:46:54 No.52157932 Report

Quoted By: >>52157955 >>52158099

reminder that, even though it in PU, Smogon listed a SM OU set for Avalugg
>Avalugg is a niche pick as a physical wall for bulkier archetypes such as stall. Its massive physical bulk allows it to stomach hits from pretty much any physical attacker that lacks super effective coverage to hit it, including physically oriented Gliscor, Mega Pinsir, and Mega Mawile lacking Iron Head. Rapid Spin also enables it to be a situational entry hazard remover, as it can switch into setters such as Landorus-T and Mega Swampert and spin their Stealth Rock away while they're forced out. Furthermore, Sturdy allows it to act as a last resort if Avalugg is at full health and a certain wallbreaker runs out of control, enabling it to tank a hit and fire back with a decently powerful Avalanche. Nonetheless, its defensive typing is possibly one of the worst in the game, allowing many physical attackers, such as Swords Dance Kartana, Swords Dance Mega Scizor, Tyranitar, and Mega Medicham, to overcome Avalugg without much struggle. Said typing also leaves it prone to being worn down by hazards, mostly Stealth Rock and Toxic Spikes. Avalugg's Special Defense is also very lackluster, leaving pretty much any special attacker able to break through it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:47:02 No.52157936 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157905
Non, but his role will be of a 1 or 2 times pivot on offense.
Almost none of the defensive new mons get recover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:47:07 No.52157938 Report

Quoted By: >>52158099

>>52157864
I mean obviously, but being viable in OU is more important. It means it has a valuable niche.

Being UU is not a bad thing. This isn't Gen 4 where everything in UU is mediocre, UU is basically just OU#2 nowadays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:47:54 No.52157951 Report

Quoted By: >>52157997

>J-Typhlosion got fucking Shadow Ball before Thunderbolt or Earth Power
GAME FREAK just hates the thing at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:48:04 No.52157955 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157932
This shit is only used on >stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:48:19 No.52157960 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157899
>Knock Off and great movepool
>94 speed with FAIRY STEEL YOU MIDWITTS
>SD+typing and defenses to boot in order to set up + Shed Tail
Yeah, it will be useable in OU. And at worst it's UU with useage in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:50:36 No.52157995 Report

Quoted By: >>52158047

>i-i-t's good if you give it support from shed tail, screens, sticky web, rocks, and baton pass

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:50:44 No.52157997 Report

Quoted By: >>52158011

>>52157951
>Makes Fire/Ghost H. Typhlosion
>Big bad Masuda rolls in, angry that Charizard's shadow was given an UPGRADE
>"I ORDERRU RU TO GIVE IT FRISKU ANDDDDDD NO MOVESSSS!"
>This is done, but Mr. Masuda is not satisfied.
>"AAAAAAAND RU RILL MAKE A NEW FIRE/GHOST POKCKETU MONSTAH."
>Skeledirge
>But this STILL isn't enough
>"RU RILL MAKE A NICHE FORRU SKELEDIRGE. AND RU RILL GIVE IT UNAWARE AND RACK OFF SO THAT NOBODY WILL CONSIDER USING THAT SACK OF SHIT TYPHROSION!"
>this is done.
Typhlosionbros. You must admit ... it's over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:51:32 No.52158011 Report

Quoted By: >>52158183

>>52157997
add a section for chi-yu

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:53:37 No.52158047 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157995
>midwit starts to think it terms of the HO meta environment
>but so brain damaged he has to say it hyperbolically and with irony

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:53:58 No.52158049 Report

Quoted By: >>52158060 >>52158077 >>52158094 >>52158102

Moves not transferring anymore is literally the worst change Game Freak has made to comp. Worse than removing Pursuit, Return, and Hidden Power. Worse than Dynamax. Worse than giving Drizzle/Drought to normal Pokemon. Worse than Landorus-T.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:54:43 No.52158060 Report

Quoted By: >>52158102

>>52158049
>Moves not transferring anymore is literally the best change Game Freak has made to comp
ftfy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:54:43 No.52158061 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157239
12.5% chance base de golpe crítico y coloca Púas en el campo del oponente.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:55:35 No.52158077 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158049
It's extremely fucking annoying for collectors in particular.

If they were better at balancing shit, it wouldn't be a huge deal. I dont mind Lando losing Knock Off and Defog, mons losing Toxic and what not is fine.. but things like Weavile, Bisharp, Scizor losing Knock Off is dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:56:39 No.52158094 Report

Quoted By: >>52158113

>>52158049
At the same time, removing Toxic and Scald is the best thing they could have done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:56:52 No.52158099 Report

Quoted By: >>52158130

>>52157938
>I mean obviously, but being viable in OU is more important. It means it has a valuable niche.
This describes B-tier. C-tier is mons like >>52157932 that can be used one one or two specific teams and you'll almost never see. Throwing it on a random team is asking to lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:57:01 No.52158102 Report

Quoted By: >>52158158

>>52158060
>>52158049
RIP Linoone. 2004 - 2022

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:58:06 No.52158113 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158094
Removing Toxic and Scald was cringe. Nerfing Recover and its variants was based. The former removes any teeth Stall had while the latter reduces the amount of turns they can stall for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:58:29 No.52158119 Report

Quoted By:

Midwit was never a word but it extra doesn't look like one anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:59:08 No.52158130 Report

Quoted By: >>52158140

>>52158099
Avalugg is not on that SM list so its even below C.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 18:59:59 No.52158140 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158130
It was probably on the list at one point and got kicked off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:00:55 No.52158158 Report

Quoted By: >>52158171

>>52158102
Extremespeed is an egg move now, Linoone lives!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:01:54 No.52158171 Report

Quoted By: >>52158541

>>52158158
It's not doing shit without Belly Drum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:02:26 No.52158183 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158011
>But it is still not enough. Mr. Masuda is frothing with rage.
>How dare they. How DARE they assume Typhlosion, of all Pocketu Monstahs, should be receiving UPGRADES before RIZARDON, the King of Pocketu Monstahs?
>"IT IS STILL NOT ENOUGH! RU AND EVERY TYPHROSION FAN MUST BE PUNISHED FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS!"
>"Masuda-sama... we have done everything you have asked! Have mercy on Typhlosion-"
>Masuda-sama shoves the incompetent developer out of the way and sits down at the computer. He spots the concept art for Chi-Yu and smiles like the Grinch.
>"RU WILL PUSH ZIS ONE THROUGH. AND YOU WILL LISTEN VERRY CAREFULLY TO ME."
>"Yes Masuda-sama... anything..."
>And that is how Chi-Yu is born, effectively demolishing any hope for H-Typhlosion. Months later, a new Smogon article is written on Hisuian Typhlosion.
>"Do not ever use this Pokemon with the intent of winning games."

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:03:41 No.52158198 Report

Quoted By: >>52158209 >>52158215 >>52158230 >>52158231 >>52158756

How is this fatty?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:03:52 No.52158204 Report

Quoted By: >>52158211 >>52158227 >>52158249

>>52155540
So what's the consensus on Meowscarada VS the duck? Is one a lot better? Are they both good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:04:21 No.52158209 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158198
Unaware god that cucked the fire clown from his glory.
Will be great against protean cat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:04:28 No.52158211 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158204
cat will probably be good
duck is a uubl hell mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:04:42 No.52158215 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158198
Chunky fucker dabs on the majority of special attackers and has a great movepool with 2 great abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:05:23 No.52158227 Report

Quoted By: >>52158316

>>52158204
Duck is miles better in the current meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:05:58 No.52158230 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158198
Quagsire is good and this is good too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:06:05 No.52158231 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158198
>Quagsire, physical wall
>Skeledirge, physical wall + potential wallbreaker if it snowballs
>Clodsire, special wall
OH SMOGONNNN... I HAVE YOUR NEW STALL CORE!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:07:31 No.52158249 Report

Quoted By: >>52158421

>>52158204
Duck is UU.
The cat is one of the handful of knock off users after its availability was gutted. Knock will be very important this gen since everyone will be wearing boots.
After the protean nerf she is the best Protean user, since her main move that she spams (knock off) will not activate protean, and she can follow up with STAB u-turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:10:00 No.52158281 Report

Quoted By:

New thread
>>52158272

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:10:19 No.52158289 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157852
Ice-Tera Eleki is gonna be fun, it hits 3 of the 4 Types Elec doesn't like (Dragon, Grass, and especially Ground), and Elec will be a boon against Waters, and is at least Neutral to Ice's Defensive weaknesses (Fighting, Rock, and Fire).
Thing is even with 200 speed, it's gonna be shitting its pants over Priority Moves due to having only 50 in both Defenses, and Magnezone walls out both STABs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:11:28 No.52158316 Report

Quoted By: >>52158465

>>52158227
Duck is just heracross with a new typing. I dont see it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:16:54 No.52158421 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158249
>She

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:19:08 No.52158457 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157898
I agree with most of it but it's not only ice it can tera which opens it's options for immunities/resistances and coverage to. Also it has a somewhat ok 80HP so it doesn't get destroyed in one shot by those (Still frail however especially with hazards and other passive damage).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:19:36 No.52158465 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158316
Aqua Step, its new sig move, is 80 BP and raises speed by 1 stage. It also has Moxie. It's janky Dynamax Gyarados.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:20:21 No.52158470 Report

Quoted By:

>>52157898
you have a strong misunderstanding of how smogon works in general. there's a very, very clear divide between the average user there and the tournament playerbase.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:26:03 No.52158541 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158171
>no belly drum
into zu he goes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:40:32 No.52158756 Report

Quoted By:

>>52158198
130/100 special bulk. it fat. also gets all the entry hazards + toxic so it should be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 19:44:39 No.52158829 Report

Quoted By:

>>52156601
>The Event Pikachu is female
Fuck me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:00:53 No.52159088 Report

Quoted By:

Will anyone invest in SpA and/or go neutral SpA nature on hamurott so it can lure Great Tusk, Kleavor, Iron Treads, or Glimmora?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:01:04 No.52159092 Report

Quoted By: >>52159156

what abilities does annihilape get

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:04:47 No.52159156 Report

Quoted By: >>52159193

>>52159092
defiant / inner focus/vital spirit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:06:39 No.52159193 Report

Quoted By: >>52159217

>>52159156
thats kinda rough that kingambit gets its own unique and good ability and ape just keeps the same ones from the pre evo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:08:16 No.52159217 Report

Quoted By:

>>52159193
theyre all good abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:09:38 No.52159239 Report

Quoted By: >>52159270 >>52159397 >>52159599

What are people thinking in terms of sets for Maushold on VGC teams? Helping Hand, Thunderwave, what else? It feels like I'm missing something obvious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:11:20 No.52159270 Report

Quoted By: >>52160052

>>52159239
protect/super fang/helping hand/some other shit most likely

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:19:35 No.52159397 Report

Quoted By:

>>52159239
I mean, you could try some atrocious thing like population bomb with king's stone
if you get 10 hits it's a garanteed flinch

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:21:13 No.52159425 Report

Quoted By:

I've seen some people claim Close Combat is a punching move now and others saying it isn't. Fucking which is it? TELL ME.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:29:00 No.52159562 Report

Quoted By:

Arboliva with + speed nature only has 100 speed (lv 50 for VGC fag) so with clorophill she arrives at 200 speed, not that good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:30:37 No.52159599 Report

Quoted By:

>>52159239
ofc follow me

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:54:15 No.52160052 Report

Quoted By:

>>52159270
I'm just not really sure how to EV it. With a set like this + follow me you don't really care about speed, but it has terrible bulk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Nov 2022 20:55:00 No.52160070 Report

Quoted By:

is Orthworm any good (VGC)?

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