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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 21:51:33 No.52257455 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52257465 >>52257698 >>52257708 >>52257730 >>52257741 >>52257798 >>52257942 >>52257946 >>52258384 >>52258512 >>52258741 >>52261749 >>52262232 >>52262516 >>52265016

>gets banned because it counters stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 21:52:00 No.52257465 Report

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>>52257455
mindbroken

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:03:08 No.52257698 Report

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>>52257455
hehe good boi :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:03:39 No.52257708 Report

Quoted By: >>52258983

>>52257455
Just get a normal type bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:04:22 No.52257726 Report

Quoted By: >>52257773 >>52257774 >>52257813 >>52257843 >>52257845 >>52257893 >>52258053 >>52258531 >>52258688 >>52258908 >>52259153

>300 BP move is okay.................. because it is! OKAY IT JUST IS!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:04:33 No.52257730 Report

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>>52257455
At this rate in Gen 10 we will be getting our first look at Pokemon names in leak season from Smogon bans

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:05:11 No.52257741 Report

Quoted By: >>52259220

>>52257455
it didn't counter stall, it killed offense.
just because a pokemon has high attack stats doesn't mean that it's an offense mon, take dugtrio being used on stall to trap threats that could hurt it. dugtrio made stall too strong, so arena trap was banned.
stall has chansey and blissey to not die to this thing, whats it gonna do, hit them with an un-boosted body press when it already needs to invest in attack?
play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:06:53 No.52257773 Report

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>>52257726
68 Base speed, requires your entire team knocked out, and is completely nullified by an entire type/tera
Cry harder lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:06:54 No.52257774 Report

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>>52257726
Kill it, scrub.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:08:04 No.52257798 Report

Quoted By: >>52257844

>>52257455
>outspeeds most choice scarfers in the sand
>signature move can go up to 300BP (twice a Giga Impact)
>101 attack isn't even bad
It's broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:08:35 No.52257813 Report

Quoted By: >>52257835 >>52257842 >>52257844 >>52262330 >>52262927 >>52263038

>>52257726
a maushold with wide lens has a 90% accurate 300bp move with the added benefit of ignoring focus sash and not needing your entire team to be dead. is it gonna get banned next?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:09:40 No.52257835 Report

Quoted By: >>52258345

>>52257813
It's actually a 450bp move with the hidden ability on top

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:09:54 No.52257842 Report

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>>52257813
Does it have 156 of speed in the sand?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:09:55 No.52257843 Report

Quoted By: >>52258004 >>52258454

>>52257726
dis nigga don't know how to click sucker punch lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:09:55 No.52257844 Report

Quoted By: >>52257869 >>52262923

>>52257813
No, because it gets walled by toxapex
>>52257798
yes, it kills toxapex, it's broken.

We must secure the dominance of toxapex and landorus at all costs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:09:56 No.52257845 Report

Quoted By: >>52257881

>>52257726
What is the 300 BP move called?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:11:17 No.52257869 Report

Quoted By: >>52257882 >>52262932

>>52257844
>still thinking stall is the issue
If it wasn't for sand rush that shit wouldn't even be NU. The whole point of this thing is that it wrecks everything in a sand team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:12:25 No.52257881 Report

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>>52257845
Last Respects

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:12:28 No.52257882 Report

Quoted By: >>52257916 >>52258790

>>52257869
>wrecks everything in a sand team
i sleep
>wrecks everything in a sand team, including toxapex
BAN IT NOW

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:13:05 No.52257893 Report

Quoted By: >>52257968

>>52257726
Just don't ko your opponent's pokemon and it wont be 300bp
If you kill your enemies, they win

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:14:33 No.52257916 Report

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>>52257882
It literally outspeeds most of the metagame with a 300BP nuke, and kills Toxapex yeah. It's broken, simple as.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:16:25 No.52257942 Report

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>>52257455
Stall, you mean the team composition that can most easily fit in his best counters such as Garganacl, Wo-Chien, Ting-Lu and Blissey?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:16:38 No.52257946 Report

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>>52257455
Stall and offensive and everything else, yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:17:39 No.52257968 Report

Quoted By: >>52260062

>>52257893
>If you kill your enemies, they win
I'm 12 and this is deep man

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:18:08 No.52257975 Report

Quoted By: >>52258608

>kill your ttar/ hippowdon
>send out my pelliper
whoopsies, that was soooo hard :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:20:01 No.52258004 Report

Quoted By: >>52258031

>>52257843
This or Shadow Sneak
They acting like there's no other weather in the game, like Normal type isn't completely immune to it, and intimidate doesn't exist.
GTFO Smogonfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:21:54 No.52258031 Report

Quoted By: >>52258260

>>52258004
you can also cripple it with prankster t wave or revenge kill with a focus sash pokemon or tera type normal and revenge kill it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:23:02 No.52258053 Report

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>>52257726
Go back to smogon before we spam digletts or king's rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:24:15 No.52258073 Report

Quoted By: >>52258097 >>52258285

uh... its just broken or centralizing, just change up your entire time to counter this one pokemon lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:25:31 No.52258097 Report

Quoted By: >>52262840

>>52258073
this lol. Your team should only resolve around dealing with toxapex or landorus, everything else is too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:34:53 No.52258260 Report

Quoted By: >>52258294 >>52258303

>>52258031
I'd love to see a Sash Bisharp reverse nuke it with Metal Burst lol
>B-but muh base 100 Def body press
Oh please do

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:35:20 No.52258270 Report

Quoted By: >>52258822

>Banned 4 days after launch
>Before anyone has even started using this thing
>Wish
>Cud Chew
>calm mind

Doesnt Gargancl also kinda counter it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:36:14 No.52258285 Report

Quoted By: >>52262875

>>52258073
Smogon centralizing around Stealth Rock is fine tho, sure okay

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:36:30 No.52258294 Report

Quoted By: >>52258327

>>52258260
there's also a dark dog with a dark type metal burst new move

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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:37:08 No.52258303 Report

Quoted By: >>52258398 >>52258458

>>52258260
>I'd love to see a Sash Bish-ACK

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:38:38 No.52258327 Report

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>>52258294
Like music to my ears

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:39:27 No.52258345 Report

Quoted By: >>52259772

>>52257835
No it’s 20 BP that can hit 10 times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:40:00 No.52258353 Report

Quoted By: >>52258368 >>52262923

Smogon is a cancer on Pokemon, like 8 trannies just decide its metagame like kings, why even use that shit ruleset unless you really like stall and Lando

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:40:48 No.52258368 Report

Quoted By: >>52258442

>>52258353
because if i buy the game i would promote gamefreak to be lazy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:41:42 No.52258384 Report

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>>52257455
team of 5 suicide bombers and one suicide bomber that can't die because he's already dead should not be viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:42:53 No.52258398 Report

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>>52258303
Once again, Stealth Rock carrying Smogonfags.
What was that again about not centralizing and what not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:45:14 No.52258442 Report

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>>52258368
Just emulate then, they have online and there's asstons of people that use them now, probably more people emulating than playing on the switch due to it running better anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:45:49 No.52258454 Report

Quoted By: >>52258484 >>52258575 >>52260091

>>52257843
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Houndstone: 211-250 (74 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Def Houndstone Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 320-380 (118 - 140.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
This isn’t Terastallized as a Fighting type either. It’s still a Pure Ghost type and this is a 1v1 too.
In a real game, Bisharp/Kingambit could have easily been crippled by status or KOd because you aren’t fighting a single Houndstone. You’re fighting a Houndstone with 5 other Pokemon.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:45:59 No.52258458 Report

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>>52258303
>nothing can remove my stealth-rACK

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:47:58 No.52258484 Report

Quoted By: >>52258501

>>52258454
https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/
battle calculator doesn't have gen 9 yet, you're just pulling shit out of your ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:48:53 No.52258501 Report

Quoted By: >>52258515

>>52258484
I just made Dusknoir have the same HP and Defense as Houndstone, you fucking tard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:49:57 No.52258512 Report

Quoted By: >>52258562 >>52261589 >>52263067

>>52257455
>smogon hates stall
>but bans stall's biggest tool in Arena Trap Dug in every gen but 3
curious

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:50:09 No.52258515 Report

Quoted By: >>52258589 >>52262902

>>52258501
>I just made shit up
Fucking lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:50:55 No.52258531 Report

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>>52257726
>300 bp move*
>*that requires the entire rest of the party to be dead
>*that has an entire type immune to it
>*that requires sand up to hit you first

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:52:32 No.52258562 Report

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>>52258512
it's banned in Gen 4 now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:53:27 No.52258575 Report

Quoted By: >>52258683

>>52258454
A Houndstone that is on a team dedicated to being KO'd and HOPING to set up Sandstorm without other weather interruption, so you'll have plenty leftover mons.
Run the Calc again with Kingambit + Supreme Overlord

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:54:23 No.52258589 Report

Quoted By: >>52258664

>>52258515
That’s how much Houndstone would take from a Sucker Punch even as a Ghost type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:55:42 No.52258608 Report

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>>52257975
>gets one shot by stone edge
>switches the sand setter back in later
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:58:35 No.52258664 Report

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>>52258589
Good, now calculate it with kingabit chien pao and pafin priority attacks instead of bisharp, fucking idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:59:50 No.52258683 Report

Quoted By: >>52258730 >>52258813 >>52258879 >>52260091

>>52258575
252+ Atk Life Orb Supreme Overlord (5 KO) Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Fighting Houndstone: 90-107 (31.5 - 37.5%) -- 87.3% chance to 3HKO
252+ Def (Fighting) Houndstone Body Press vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 408-484 (110.2 - 130.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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75 Mon 21 Nov 2022 22:59:56 No.52258688 Report

Quoted By: >>52258739 >>52258811 >>52258882 >>52260165 >>52260245

>>52257726
Then ban the move not the pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:02:12 No.52258730 Report

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>>52258683
Kingambit is not in the calc yet. Why do you keep on lying? Are you genuinely retarded?
>Muh fighting houndstone
Revenge killed by flutter

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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:02:49 No.52258739 Report

Quoted By: >>52258811

>>52258688
But you can't do that, that would be too "COMPLEX"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:03:15 No.52258741 Report

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>>52257455
Why not just ban the move so it can still be used in lower tiers? Are they going to be banning Basculegion outright as well?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:03:46 No.52258758 Report

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>revenge killed by flutter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:05:15 No.52258784 Report

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@52258730
Actually too low IQ to breath properly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:05:31 No.52258790 Report

Quoted By: >>52258797

>>52257882
friendly reminder they considered banning Excadrill for this exact reason during Sword/Shield's early meta stages

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:06:06 No.52258797 Report

Quoted By: >>52258828

>>52258790
Hound does like 3x the damage of Excadrill

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:06:43 No.52258811 Report

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>>52258688
>>52258739
Finch actually wanted to ban Last Respects and they’ll just ban the move in the future at least.
But yeah it’s another retarded decision by them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:06:48 No.52258813 Report

Quoted By: >>52258843

>>52258683
Yeah, BS where are you getting those calcs to also factor Supreme Overlord

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:07:20 No.52258822 Report

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>>52258270
I think Garganacl gets 2HKO'd and doesn't threaten hound back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:07:34 No.52258828 Report

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>>52258797
that's besides my point anon, I just made fun of your so beloved council because they tried to kill excadrill for being able to kill toxapex on sand

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:08:34 No.52258843 Report

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>>52258813
I just gave Bisharp 135 Atk and Hustle.
And no, the extra 10% you get from the initial KO wouldn’t change shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:09:40 No.52258858 Report

Quoted By: >>52258867 >>52258874

Doesn't H-Zoroark completely counter it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:10:16 No.52258867 Report

Quoted By: >>52259451 >>52262742

>>52258858
Doesn't every single pokemon have counters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:10:46 No.52258874 Report

Quoted By: >>52258960

>>52258858
Has smogon ever used hisuian forms? It's not in the game yet either way, at least not officially.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:11:00 No.52258879 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258683
O- Atk Onix Constrict vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steel Toxapex 320-380 (118 - 140.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:11:06 No.52258882 Report

Quoted By: >>52258949

>>52258688
uhhh but no other Pokémon currently has the move so how do you know it's the move that's broken and not the Pokémon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:12:44 No.52258908 Report

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>>52257726
It's perfectly balanced in competitive matches. It's only a problem in 6v6 singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:15:04 No.52258949 Report

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>>52258882
we don't have proof they won't give it to shitmons eventually that aren't broken with it, so technically they're correct, just asinine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:16:00 No.52258960 Report

Quoted By: >>52258996 >>52259013

>>52258874
I could give less of a shit about what Smogon does.
All of these calcs are heavily dependent on best case scenario Hound anyway. An intimidate, burn, para, weather, rocks removed, etc etc all cripple it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:17:01 No.52258983 Report

Quoted By: >>52262755 >>52263223

>>52257708
Literally designed to counter normals. You realize that it has the fluffy ability and most normal attackers are physical attackers with contact moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:17:39 No.52258996 Report

Quoted By: >>52259029 >>52259207

>>52258960
How would you burn/para houndstone? It comes out in sand and outspeeds whatever mon is trying to do status.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:18:12 No.52259013 Report

Quoted By: >>52259025 >>52259207

>>52258960
I mean I don't give a shit about smogon either but this thread is about those faggots hence my question. I doubt they'll revisit this anyway even in light of a hard counter, they never do.
H-Zoroark is probably a shitmon anyone, despite its good typing it's frail as shit with a trash movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:19:01 No.52259025 Report

Quoted By: >>52259117

>>52259013
Mons don't get banned because they lack a "hard counter", moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:19:11 No.52259029 Report

Quoted By: >>52259071

>>52258996
Wouldn't you just use a prankster mon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:19:54 No.52259043 Report

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Just use cursed body

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:21:05 No.52259071 Report

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>>52259029
Sableye? Probably still gets 2HKO'd by 150BP last respects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:23:55 No.52259117 Report

Quoted By: >>52259155 >>52259191 >>52262989

>>52259025
>thinks I give a shit about the arbitrary reason why pokemon get banned on some 3rd party fan game
Enjoy battling the same 15 pokemon over and over again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:25:39 No.52259153 Report

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>>52257726
Lol. Just use rain dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:25:45 No.52259155 Report

Quoted By: >>52259226

>>52259117
>Enjoy battling the same 15 pokemon over and over again
The point of banning Hound is to avoid this. You guys really have shoe size IQ holy fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:26:42 No.52259171 Report

Quoted By:

>no its not broken just like have multiple pokemon on your dedicated to counter it? :^)
That isnt how balance works lmao

Literally this move and strategy is something that should be banned even from AG. It is by far the single strongest thing ever introduced into the game. It warps the ENTIRE metagame around it's existence and what makes it worse is that it requires almost ZERO set up from the player. Literally you can just use 4 already good Pokémon to chip away at your opponents team and if that fails just sack a Sandstorm set up (lets not mention TTar hardcounters every sucker punch user.) and then AUTOMATICALLY WIN. Let me tell you something: it doesn't need choice band to kill ANYTHING at 300bp. IT LITERALLY DOESNT EVEN HAVE TO BE YOUR MAIN WINCON. With ghost Tera and 200bp you are still oneshotting almost everything. You can use choice scarf in the sand and outspeed literally everything. If you think it's "ok" or people are overreacting then you simply don't know what good balance is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:27:34 No.52259191 Report

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>>52259117
>Enjoy battling the same 15 pokemon over and over again
>When smogon has like 6 singles tiers with 50-70 viable mons each in them.
VGCtards really have brainrot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:28:23 No.52259207 Report

Quoted By: >>52259228 >>52259316

>>52258996
Since you're being so picky Flame Body or Prankster Will O Wisp/T-Wave(Torment lol)
>>52259013
Idk man nice sweeper with tons of immunity, Shadow Sneak, Bitter Malice(Attack Drop), Psychic, Sucker Punch, Comeuppance. I can do some mad work with that alone

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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:29:21 No.52259220 Report

Quoted By: >>52262272

>>52257741
Fighting type tera blast

Play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:29:58 No.52259226 Report

Quoted By: >>52259255 >>52259297

>>52259155
Having shit like Houndstone opens up use cases for other shitmon that would otherwise never see any play you retarded faggot. You've never played VGC I can tell. Smogon just shoehorns the same pokemon and playstyles in its 'meta' for every single generation and bans anything that threatens it immediately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:29:59 No.52259228 Report

Quoted By: >>52259310

>>52259207
>30% flame body
>25% chance for full para
Not counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:32:23 No.52259255 Report

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>>52259226
>Centralizing the meta around an obscene power level mon actually increases diversity of playstyles!

Hound + 1 dedicated hound counter + 4 mons you actually get to choose every game, very diverse lmao

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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:34:53 No.52259297 Report

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>>52259226
Go back to VGC and enjoy that diverse meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:35:19 No.52259310 Report

Quoted By: >>52259347

>>52259228
>Torment
>Disable
>Para drops speed too retard
>Charm
>Once again Prankster Willo
>Destiny Bond
We can counter it all day. You are still betting on best case scenario for Houndstone with a team that not only wants to be KO'd, but hopes to have uninterrupted Sandstorm. Let's not forget Snowscapes buff to is raising its prevalence.
The Smogshit is silly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:35:33 No.52259316 Report

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>>52259207
burnt last respects is still 150bp which more than enough and you already wasted a move burning it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:37:24 No.52259347 Report

Quoted By: >>52259374 >>52259480

>>52259310
Yup, so every match will be Grimmsnarl + Hound VS opposing team that also has Grimmsnarl and Hound. That's a centralized meta, get that shit banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:38:56 No.52259374 Report

Quoted By: >>52259404 >>52262923

>>52259347
I agree, then we can ban lando and toxapex next.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:39:38 No.52259385 Report

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>Just outspeed this 520 speed mon and click charm

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:40:40 No.52259404 Report

Quoted By: >>52259476

>>52259374
You don't need dedicated tox or lando counters cause their power levels aren't very high.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:41:22 No.52259416 Report

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You people in this thread are so fucking retarded it's unreal. You act as if there is no counter-counterplay. That you need it to be your last pokemon or it is literally worthless. Jolly Scarf is one of the best revenge killers in the game with even just 2 pokemon KO'd. It's not as if it has no utility. The sheer power of the move means you don't need to increase it's attack that much. I bet you are the type of people who switch after using Draco Meteor because the number got lower without knowing how Pokemon's damage formula actually works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:41:35 No.52259422 Report

Quoted By: >>52259498 >>52259544

Is /vp/ completely irrational about what stall means? I'm looking at the past couple of gens and stall is not a top tier strategy in any of them. Vast majority of top picks are sweepers/offensive pivots.
Do you guys like get recovered + toxic once and lose your mind?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:42:35 No.52259451 Report

Quoted By: >>52259482 >>52259525

>>52258867
What counters Tapu Lele?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:44:24 No.52259476 Report

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>>52259404
You don't need dedicated flutter or houndstone counters cause their power levels aren't very high.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:44:29 No.52259480 Report

Quoted By: >>52259496 >>52259528

>>52259347
>That's a centralized meta
>Every Smogfag uses Stealth Rock. Centralized what now?
To peabrains like you maybe. There are several mons with Prankster and weather teams of any kind will hinder it. Chlorophyll and Rain Dance will trounce base 68 dog

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:44:39 No.52259482 Report

Quoted By: >>52259530

>>52259451
Jirachi

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:45:48 No.52259496 Report

Quoted By: >>52259527 >>52259539 >>52259554

>>52259480
most of your team and certainly your weather setters will be dead by the time the dog comes out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:46:03 No.52259498 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259422
>YEAH NOTHING EVER IS TALL, STALL DOESN'T EXIST, STALL IS ONLY 4 SUPPORT MOVES AND NO ATTACKS, BTW STALL IS TEAM BUILD NO INDIVIDUAL POKEMON, SO 6 TOXAPEX AND A LANDO IS NOT STALL AT ALL
Go fuck yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:47:25 No.52259525 Report

Quoted By: >>52259542 >>52259562

>>52259451
>Tapu Lele
Physical Ghost, Poison, Steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:47:43 No.52259527 Report

Quoted By: >>52259590

>>52259496
Kek you fags are getting ridiculous, random babble without any meaning
>Your sand setter will be dead by the time you'll want to send the dog
Wow houndstone is useless now!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:47:44 No.52259528 Report

Quoted By: >>52259639

>>52259480
Only klefki and grim are relevant and have prankster in SV OU. Also suiciding a mon to para hound is a free +1 pokemon for your opponent automatically. Weather setters also don't counter hound since they get outsped by non-sand Hound or destroyed by ttar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:48:03 No.52259530 Report

Quoted By: >>52259608

>>52259482
>Specs Shadowball

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:48:29 No.52259539 Report

Quoted By: >>52259590

>>52259496
Skill Issue.
Might as well say that Sand Rush is irrelevent for Houndstone too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:48:33 No.52259542 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259525
every pokemon that falls into those categories are a check at most not a counter

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:48:36 No.52259544 Report

Quoted By: >>52263069

>>52259422
People here are literally mindbroken by Toxapex, anon. They see shadows on the walls and think stall hasn't been a bad strategy for several years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:48:57 No.52259554 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259496
Bullshit, see you're still operating on best case scenario

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:49:34 No.52259562 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259525
>Physical Ghost
Don't resist STAB
>Poison
Weak to Psychic
>Steel
Focus Blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:50:44 No.52259590 Report

Quoted By: >>52259613 >>52259660

>>52259527
>>52259539
Houndstone is a late game pokemon not an early game one. You wouldn't set up Sandstorm at all until the end of the game where Houndstone can clean up the rest of your opponent's Pokémon. You guys have clearly never played above 1000 elo if ever at all. Like you arent thinking how people would actually use him at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:52:10 No.52259608 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259530
>Moonblast 98.321%
>Psyshock 92.213%
>Thunderbolt 57.785%
>Future Sight 49.142%
>Focus Blast 46.967%
>Psychic 42.971%
Other 12.601%

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:52:13 No.52259611 Report

Quoted By: >>52259628

So if a 600BP move is ok and balanced, mega Ray's dragon ascent should also be allowed in OU, right? I mean mega Ray does less damage and is slower than hound so it should be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:52:18 No.52259613 Report

Quoted By: >>52259645 >>52259672 >>52259692 >>52263108

>>52259590
Then you save your own weather setter to the endgame as well.
Its not that difficult of a concept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:53:19 No.52259628 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259611
Allowed in ubers, sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:53:42 No.52259639 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259528
Don't cry when Grafaiai cripples and drops you Houndstone

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:54:10 No.52259645 Report

Quoted By: >>52259692 >>52259701 >>52259702

>>52259613
>Swap in weather setter into Hound
>It dies
>You are -1 just to change the weather
>Opponent could still have ttar alive and get up sand again
Great counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:55:03 No.52259660 Report

Quoted By: >>52259691 >>52259711

>>52259590
I am by now convinced that i'm talking with a mentally stunted person. You see houndstone, you save your own weather setter to counter the sandstorm later. That's it. Literally that's it. I am not interested in your babbling anymore
>B-but i switch my ttar out and save it for last and you don't do anything to it and also all my attacks crit and blah blah blah
Not interested. Show elo btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:55:35 No.52259672 Report

Quoted By: >>52259701 >>52259702

>>52259613
So run weather eam without weather or just have weather solely to counter Houndstone? You people are so fucking retarded. If you have to strain credulity just to sort of counter 1 Pokémon that isn't even a wincon then yes that pokemon is broken. Think for once in your life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:56:35 No.52259691 Report

Quoted By: >>52259725

>>52259660
Houndstone isn't countered because it's speed went from 520 to 260, retard. Also all current weather setters get OHKO'd by ttar or Hound. Play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:56:37 No.52259692 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259613
This
>>52259645
>Opponent could still have ttar alive and get up sand again
The biggest could in the world lmao you guys are so ridiculous

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:57:02 No.52259701 Report

Quoted By: >>52262831

>>52259672
>>52259645
Literally no different to dealing with Garchomp in Gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:57:12 No.52259702 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259672
>So run weather eam without weather
Stop shaking
>>52259645
Again with the best case scenarios

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:57:49 No.52259711 Report

Quoted By: >>52259746

>>52259660
You arent actually thinking! What is your endgame with "saving your weather user for later"? The Houndstone player can use 4 other Pokémon on their team! They can have their main wincon in that 4! You still have to have a team to deal with Pocket Monsters that are not Houndstone!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:58:51 No.52259725 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259691
>Brags about being good at the game
>Won't show elo
Fucking obnoxious shitter lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:59:19 No.52259738 Report

Quoted By: >>52259775 >>52259793

>My counter only works if their ttar is dead by pure circumstance
Not a counter.

>Sacrificing a prankster mon to status Hound
Not a counter

>Sacrificing a mon to deactivate sand rush
Not a counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Nov 2022 23:59:40 No.52259746 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259711
Houndstone needs a Sand setter and Houndstone.
You need a weather setter for anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:00:57 No.52259767 Report

Quoted By:

>My ttar is immortal because i'm just that good, you can't kill my ttar or houndstone i'm the best player ever and you all suck but i won't post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:01:09 No.52259772 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258345
Retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:01:11 No.52259775 Report

Quoted By: >>52259833 >>52259835

>>52259738
What about switching in a normal type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:02:13 No.52259793 Report

Quoted By: >>52259849

>>52259738
Bruh, you're sacrificing multiple mons for 1 move that can be completely nullified and Disabled/tormented
gtfo smogfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:04:07 No.52259833 Report

Quoted By: >>52259848 >>52259876

>>52259775
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/types/normal/
Which ones survive the 2HKO from fighting tera/body press and can OHKO back?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:04:09 No.52259835 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259775
Then i tera fight and use body press then you send a scarfed mon to outspeed me and i use last respects and steel outspeed you because i'm scarfed too. Yeah i'm just that good, haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:05:11 No.52259848 Report

Quoted By: >>52259862

>>52259833
T waving is enough, vapid retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:05:18 No.52259849 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259793
>you're sacrificing multiple mons for 1 move
No? Those mon would've fainted naturally for free. Besides. Even with 2-3 mons fainted, Hound is extremely strong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:06:19 No.52259862 Report

Quoted By: >>52259913

>>52259848
Sacrificing a mon to get 1 status is not a counter. You will be playing 5v6 every time the opponent has Hound.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:07:15 No.52259876 Report

Quoted By: >>52259918

>>52259833
>Prankster Grafaiai Parting Shot/Copycat/Scary Face/Flatter/Encore

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:07:45 No.52259886 Report

Quoted By:

I remember back when flutter stats got leaked i made threads about it being OP and some obnoxious retard kept spamming that it's actually bad and iron valiant and bundle would be the most dominant ones. Now i have a feeling the same retard tries to prove that houndstone is busted. Fucking obnoxious retard is wrong every time

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:09:06 No.52259910 Report

Quoted By:

Reminder that /vp/ unironically thinks Ferrothorn is a stallmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:09:15 No.52259913 Report

Quoted By: >>52259952

>>52259862
>Sacrificing a mon to get 1 status is not a counter
No? The mon would've fainted naturally for free.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:09:26 No.52259918 Report

Quoted By: >>52260114

>>52259876
The only thing there that could work is copycat on last respects. But grafaiai can't home in safe due to stomping tantrum.

Not a reliable counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:10:09 No.52259933 Report

Quoted By: >>52262453

why not just ban Last Respects?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:10:56 No.52259952 Report

Quoted By: >>52260051

>>52259913
Don't know what you're on about. It's a bad trade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:13:15 No.52259994 Report

Quoted By: >>52260041

Assuming the vapid cunt runs max defence (for muh TERA FIGHTING) max attack houndstone with no scarf and no speed investment his doggo gets outspeed and OHKO by booster energy flutter mane. There, a counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:15:23 No.52260040 Report

Quoted By: >>52262453

Why not just ban the move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:15:34 No.52260041 Report

Quoted By: >>52260091

>>52259994
A counter is a mon that counters ALL of the target mons relevant sets. Also tera fighting would run max attack tera blast not body press, tard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:16:13 No.52260051 Report

Quoted By: >>52260082

>>52259952
>Ensure you can outspeed and kill houndstone by sacrificing one mon while houndstone has AT LEAST three mons on the team dead is a bad trade
Actual brain issues, seek help

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:16:50 No.52260062 Report

Quoted By: >>52262661

>>52257968
Lurk moar faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:17:45 No.52260082 Report

Quoted By: >>52260118

>>52260051
Assuming equal skill, you will have around the same amount of mons dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:18:24 No.52260091 Report

Quoted By: >>52260166 >>52260341

>>52260041
>Also tera fighting would run max attack tera blast not body press
Now you're contradicting yourself fucking subhuman idiot
>>52258683
>>52258454

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:19:20 No.52260114 Report

Quoted By: >>52260145

>>52259918
>Prankster Encore
Grafaiai wins
Any amount of damage and/or status effect from one mon and a priority move/scarf can come in (if priority is need) and drop it.
Stop this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:19:36 No.52260118 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260082
So dense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:20:50 No.52260145 Report

Quoted By: >>52260161 >>52260250

>>52260114
You don't understand what a counter is, so maybe you should stop engaging in a discussion about what counters exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:21:47 No.52260161 Report

Quoted By: >>52260195

>>52260145
Not a counter (argument)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:21:56 No.52260165 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258688
But they don't want to set a precedence therefore the dog has got to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:21:59 No.52260166 Report

Quoted By: >>52260260

>>52260091
>A mon can run multiple sets :0
Tard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:23:13 No.52260195 Report

Quoted By: >>52260260

>>52260161
Okay. Grafaiai isn't a counter because stomping tantrum 2HKO's on the switch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:25:47 No.52260245 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258688
Basculin white striped has it and isn't broken so it's not fair. The dog is useless without it anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:26:00 No.52260250 Report

Quoted By: >>52260309

>>52260145
>Houndstone uses muh big bad scary move
>KOs mon andor Grafaiai switches in
>Prankster Encore
Once again Grafaiai wins. It can even set a sub if it somehow doesn't KO before Encore ends.
Stop this, Smogfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:26:33 No.52260260 Report

Quoted By: >>52260352

>>52260166
>>52260195
It's like i'm arguing with a kid that keeps coming up with nonsensical fantasy scenarios just prove himself right. You're a laughing stock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:29:25 No.52260309 Report

Quoted By: >>52260349

>>52260250
Not a counter. If you predict wrong, you get hit by stomping tantrum on the switch and die.

>Just predict correctly all the time!
Is not reliable vs an opponent of equal skill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:30:26 No.52260320 Report

Quoted By: >>52260333

why are you fags even mad, it's not like you play showdown or have 1200+ elo anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:31:07 No.52260333 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260320
post elo of gtfo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:31:32 No.52260341 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260091
Not same person and Houndstone can go either way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:31:52 No.52260349 Report

Quoted By: >>52260396 >>52260397

>>52260309
That's why you don't predict. Houndstone needs Last Wishes to stomp the mon before it.
Grafaiai comes in and ENCORES
YOU are the operating on best case scenario still
Fucking hell it's not that difficult

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:32:07 No.52260352 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260260
What are you even on about? You seem to be having some sort of autistic fit. Hound can run tera fight or tera ghost and there is no mon who counters both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:32:24 No.52260358 Report

Quoted By: >>52260422 >>52260567

>kingambit uses sucer punch
B-BUT I RUN MAX DEFENCE
>booster energy flutter comes out
B-BUT I'M RUNNING MAX SPEED
>Garganacl comes out
B-BUT I'M RUNNING MAX DEFENCE AGAIN
>prankster grafaiai comes out
B-BUT I RUN STOMPING TANTRUM
>Literally any other prankster comes out
B-BUT-!

like, what's even the point arguing with that retard? Ignore him and save your time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:33:54 No.52260396 Report

Quoted By: >>52260536 >>52260956

>>52260349
Oh you see, that way he just switches into his immortal ttar. Forcing your opponent to switch is NOT a counter!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:33:57 No.52260397 Report

Quoted By: >>52260536

>>52260349
A counter is a mon that can SWITCH in safely and force the threat out. If you need to sac a mon to switch your "counter" in then it's not a counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:35:09 No.52260422 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260358
252atk, 252spd+ handles all of those except Kingambit sucker punch. But Kingambit can't come in on the switch so it is not a counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:36:20 No.52260444 Report

Quoted By: >>52260464

Anyways, I'm out you autists. This whole exchange just because you don't know what "counter" means in a singles context.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:37:03 No.52260464 Report

Quoted By: >>52260498

>>52260444
Dense retard got bullied out, good riddance. You never posted elo because yoh suck

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:38:54 No.52260498 Report

Quoted By: >>52260511

>>52260464
https://www.smogon.com/smog/issue32/checks-and-counters
Have a quick read my lil spastic nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:39:50 No.52260511 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260498
>No elo
Not sure why should i listen to a shitter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:41:03 No.52260536 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260396
>Forcing your opponent to switch is NOT a counter!
bruh you can not be serious
>>52260397
>A counter is a mon that can SWITCH in safely and force the threat out
Holy cow lmao and still operating on best case scenario. We ain't even got into Mimikyu dropping your big bad dog, yet.
Smogfags are on some other shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:42:39 No.52260567 Report

Quoted By: >>52260728

>>52260358
You are literally using the same best scenario argument that you think anyone arguing in favor for Houndstone being OP is. You don't understand what counter even means or that shockingly Houndstone isn't as simple as you thought it was. No one is saying Houndstone is broken because it can reverse 6-0 someone. Houndstone is broken because you can't beat it in the end game without sanctioning off at least 2 slots of your team dedicated to countering it all the while the Houndstone user's actual team can be sweeping your team before Sandstorm even needs to be set-up.

Basically this entire we've been saying that just because you have a single way to deal with something doesn't mean that you have a counter or even a check. You clearly don't understand teambuilding at all and probably just put together 6 goodstuffs and wonder why you can't pierce 1200 on OU. You aren't thinking at all what the Houndstone player can do to counter yoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:47:07 No.52260662 Report

Quoted By: >>52260720 >>52260776

When did this mentality start that no counter (Smogon definition) automatically=broken and no counterplay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:49:41 No.52260720 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260662
at some point during the ORAS life and before SM
the council and the community weren't that bad before that time because that was the timeframe they started allowing the tourneyfags to vote on stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:50:02 No.52260728 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260567
Mabostiff held on to it's focus sash mabostiff used comeuppance
>B-BUT I SET UP ENTRY HAZARD
Etc etc. Shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:50:08 No.52260732 Report

Quoted By:

All that this thread has shown is how stallhaters will latch on literally anything to complain about stall, even if it doesn't make sense or has anything at all to do with stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:52:00 No.52260776 Report

Quoted By: >>52261469

>>52260662
A mon with no countes gets a kill every time it is sent out (barring hax). Which is a degenerate and non-interactive way of playing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 00:52:25 No.52260784 Report

Quoted By:

meanwhile the meta for Gen4 since gen4 original life was/is:
>attacker
>attacker counter
>attacker counter counter
>tank / support
>tank / support counter
>tank / support counter counter OR >attacker counter #2

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 01:02:27 No.52260956 Report

Quoted By:

>>52260396
Grafaiai Life Orb Low Kick OHKO Impish Ttar Max HP+Def

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 01:08:46 No.52261062 Report

Quoted By: >>52262923

>Switch to normal type
>Dog btfo
Cmon omgon do you really have to quickban it
Just because it kills Landorus doesn't mean it's overpowered

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 01:29:14 No.52261469 Report

Quoted By: >>52261985

>>52260776
Before fairy type existed MANY mons had no counters because banded outrage/EQ combo. It’s only recently everyone is pretending banded mons have access to all their moves all the time and it’s not fair if offense player is rewarded for a prediction

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 01:35:44 No.52261589 Report

Quoted By: >>52261958

>>52258512
dug hurts stall more than it helps it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 01:41:44 No.52261692 Report

Quoted By:

I will take what is
>Prankster Will-o-Wisp
For 500 alex

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 01:45:17 No.52261749 Report

Quoted By:

>>52257455
isn't stall dead?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 01:46:31 No.52261776 Report

Quoted By:

absolutely stated

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 01:57:11 No.52261958 Report

Quoted By: >>52263165

>>52261589
1200 elo take

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 01:58:30 No.52261985 Report

Quoted By:

>>52261469
>prediction
only shitters predict, good players make deductions

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:00:35 No.52262031 Report

Quoted By:

Lol most of you guys are so retarded that makes me happy that youre nowhere near a position to make balancing rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:12:57 No.52262232 Report

Quoted By:

>>52257455
Dog is fine, it's basculegion that is broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:15:40 No.52262272 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259220
Tera blast is going to be banned for sure. That is a truly ridiculous move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:17:23 No.52262298 Report

Quoted By:

>it's okay when Zacian does it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:19:11 No.52262330 Report

Quoted By: >>52262440

>>52257813
It's 450BP (after STAB and technician) and 99% accuracy after wide lens. I haven't done the calcs for normal tera but I assume it's roughly 600BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:26:00 No.52262440 Report

Quoted By: >>52262708 >>52262710

>>52262330
>hits 1 time
wow crazy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:26:45 No.52262453 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259933
>>52260040
It would have made more sense imo, considering swift swim basculegion in rain can do about the same damage as the dog, except it also has the option of adaptability and water STAB too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:31:58 No.52262516 Report

Quoted By:

>>52257455
I hate smogonfags so much it's unreal

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Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:40:50 No.52262661 Report

Quoted By: >>52262682

>>52260062
ishygddt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:42:26 No.52262682 Report

Quoted By:

>>52262661
>2011 meme
uhh, gross and cringe, you're way too old to be here gramps!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:44:10 No.52262708 Report

Quoted By:

>>52262440
it doesn't hit a random amount of times, dumdum. it keeps going until it misses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:44:23 No.52262710 Report

Quoted By: >>52262743 >>52262884

>>52262440
Not sure what you get out of acting like a retard in this specific case but ok sure:
>20+20+20+20+20+20+20+20+20+20 = 200 BP (all hits land, no STAB or ability)
>45+45+45+45+45+45+45+45+45+45 = 450 BP (all hits land, STAB technician)
>60+60+60+60+60+60+60+60+60+60 = 600 BP (all hits land, tera-boosted STAB technician)
And just in case you're going to pretend to not know how probability works next, there's roughly a 90% chance of landing all hits while holding wide lens (90*1.1 = 99Acc on 10 individual checks)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:45:34 No.52262742 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258867
No, Calyrex Shadow in ubers did not have any counters due to how many sets it could vaibly run

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:45:40 No.52262743 Report

Quoted By:

>>52262710
i don't think he's acting...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:46:31 No.52262755 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258983
if he's running fluffy he is not going to sweep

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:46:37 No.52262758 Report

Quoted By:

> /veepee/ contrarians are so spiteful of smogon/stall they dont care if they break the game.

The only people this dumb are quite literally Gamefreak. Do better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:50:12 No.52262831 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259701
Might I remind you that Chomp got banned from Gen 4 ou

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:50:45 No.52262840 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258097

You dont need to teambuild for Toxapex or Landorus you lying faggot. Play the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:52:46 No.52262875 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258285

Stealth Rock was perfectly fine though. Youre just a butthurt Charizardfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:52:58 No.52262884 Report

Quoted By: >>52262937 >>52262969

>>52262710
it can still miss what's the counterplay to last rights

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:53:59 No.52262902 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258515

Theyre the same values dumb fuck.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:55:00 No.52262923 Report

Quoted By: >>52262959

>>52257844
>>52258353
>>52259374
>>52261062
lando is not even in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:55:08 No.52262927 Report

Quoted By: >>52262966 >>52265276

>>52257813
that's just cinccino but worse, brainlet

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:55:20 No.52262932 Report

Quoted By: >>52262961

>>52257869
The Fluffy set was better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:55:36 No.52262937 Report

Quoted By: >>52262950

>>52262884
Normal types (or tera normal)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:57:12 No.52262950 Report

Quoted By: >>52263014 >>52263095

>>52262937
ok then population bomb gets walled by ghost types and tera ghost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:57:47 No.52262959 Report

Quoted By: >>52262994

>>52262923
i>>52262923
it is retard, it along every DP legend, the Hissuimons the genies along many other things are coded
have fun with Ursaluna and Basculegion wrecking shit as soon as we get Home transfers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:57:52 No.52262961 Report

Quoted By: >>52262973

>>52262932
nah, it can't sweep. It's just a good at late game, but so is the regular one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:58:22 No.52262966 Report

Quoted By: >>52263218

>>52262927
It's objectively stronger than either cinccino set (skill link or technician)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:58:32 No.52262969 Report

Quoted By:

>>52262884
you mean it's okay because it can miss 1% of the time? something extremely unlikely to happen that's also completely out of your control is "counterplay" to you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:58:38 No.52262973 Report

Quoted By:

>>52262961
It can sweep just as well, and isn't nearly as vulnerable to priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:59:31 No.52262989 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259117

Were not talking about VGC tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 02:59:40 No.52262994 Report

Quoted By: >>52263009

>>52262959
it literally says unreleased, so why would lando have any influence on the houndstone ban when it's not in the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:00:39 No.52263009 Report

Quoted By:

>>52262994
it's a preemptive ban anon, they have done that before, it's nothing new

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:00:51 No.52263014 Report

Quoted By:

>>52262950
Holy fuck you're slow. Yes you inbred fuck, both are fine, that's literally what he's saying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:01:34 No.52263028 Report

Quoted By:

>smogonfags unironically saying they fear a "centalized" meta
HOLY TOPKEK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:02:05 No.52263038 Report

Quoted By:

>>52257813
Ok, that's PUBL now. Happy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:04:20 No.52263067 Report

Quoted By:

>>52258512
its legal in gen 4 uu AND ubers but banned in gen 4 ou.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:04:20 No.52263069 Report

Quoted By:

>>52259544

This. Babies got so comfy with their instawin HO nuke buttons that they blame everything on Toxapex. Fuckers need therapy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:06:20 No.52263095 Report

Quoted By:

>>52262950
I mean, yes? Ghost is immune to normal, normal is immune to ghost, welcome to the world of pokemon. I suspect this is all just leading to you saying "lol well I guess it's not THAT strong then", which is not the 5D chess gotcha moment you think it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:07:07 No.52263108 Report

Quoted By: >>52263124

>>52259613

So everyone is now packing a Houndstone Counter, a Counter counter, an alt weather setter and 3 Pokemon.

If you still dont see the problem then put down the crackpipe and touch grass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:08:07 No.52263124 Report

Quoted By: >>52263300

>>52263108
so we went back to Gen4 OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:10:44 No.52263165 Report

Quoted By:

>>52261958
post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:14:22 No.52263218 Report

Quoted By: >>52263230 >>52265321

>>52262966
kills way less and barely kills tank chomp, unlike cinccino
can't even kill toxapex, it'll just knock off and switch to anything that can use moves since it'll be a one hit anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:14:53 No.52263223 Report

Quoted By: >>52263372

>>52258983
*Wigglytuff used Shadow Ball*

yawn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:15:31 No.52263230 Report

Quoted By: >>52265321

>>52263218
Wait, it doesn't kill tank chomp either, I just forgot to change the BP from 25 to 20. Shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:19:50 No.52263300 Report

Quoted By: >>52263323

>>52263124

Could Garchomp change types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:21:15 No.52263323 Report

Quoted By:

>>52263300
well duh, what do you thing the plates doid back then? STAB HP Fire from Magnezone was te bane of any Steel-typemon back then

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:23:36 No.52263360 Report

Quoted By: >>52263375

sub 1200 thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:24:06 No.52263372 Report

Quoted By: >>52263450

>>52263223
this shit sucks ass dude
252+ SpA Choice Specs Wigglytuff Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Houndstone: 222-262 (77.8 - 91.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:24:23 No.52263375 Report

Quoted By: >>52263393

>>52263360
post elo then faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:25:39 No.52263393 Report

Quoted By: >>52263447

>>52263375
1316

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:27:50 No.52263438 Report

Quoted By:

>tranny fanfic meta

It's not broken in 3v3 singles or 4v4 doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:28:01 No.52263441 Report

Quoted By:

Someone got me with it once and I adapted, but I run HO with a sun setter, so I was able to neuter it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:28:13 No.52263447 Report

Quoted By:

>>52263393
>no screenshot
I wait fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:28:27 No.52263450 Report

Quoted By:

>>52263372
So hit it twice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:33:03 No.52263518 Report

Quoted By: >>52263540 >>52265045

So do people on showdown just not use taunt anymore? because this strat for the most part looks like it relies on memento shenanigans. I remember taunt leads being very common back in like gen 6 and 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:35:06 No.52263540 Report

Quoted By: >>52263619

>>52263518
bulk up + taunt palafin is literally top tier right now.
you don't have to use memento with houndstone, you play normally and bring it out and it gets a kill whenever. last respects is still base 150 bp after 2 KOs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 03:40:11 No.52263619 Report

Quoted By:

>>52263540
Thanks for the info.
I haven't played since I got a perma ban for voting no ban on BP in gen 6, so I haven't really been in the loop on that end of things and gen 8 was aids on the VGC side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 05:09:37 No.52265016 Report

Quoted By:

>>52257455
>tfw knew this shitty broken gimmick would be an early ban
>decided on not even testing with it
i feel vindicated

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 05:11:03 No.52265045 Report

Quoted By:

>>52263518
no youre stupid you just saw until late game bring our your sand setter and sweep only retards do multiple mementos but thats why youre a shitter and not a high ladder player

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 05:28:12 No.52265276 Report

Quoted By:

>>52262927
are you under the impression the move only hits 5 times? I don't understand how anyone could come to this conclusion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 05:32:08 No.52265321 Report

Quoted By:

>>52263218
>>52263230
It's a guaranteed 1-hit KO on tank chomp and an 88% 1-hit KO on toxapex, without tera. What the fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Nov 2022 05:37:39 No.52265389 Report

Quoted By:

it dies to helmet + rough skin before it can kill it!

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